It started slowly because your battery was cold. As it heated from charging the speed increased until it started throttling due to reaching a higher charge level. Watching your video makes me appeciate the little details that tesla does so well. My model 3 will preheat the battery if I set my satnav destination to a supercharger so that I get the maximum speed from the very start. My car peaked at 1573km/hr(just shy of 1000miles/hr) the last time I plugged it in. And also the charging process. When I get to a tesla charger all I have to do is plug in the cable and it starts. No buttons or rfid chips needed. When I’m done I click the little button on the plug and it stops. Thats it. I like your videos btw. Very pleasant to watch.
Thanks, wow very interesting to hear how tesla deal with the battery heat issue. I totally agree that the tesla charging network is a huge selling point for the brand!
Wow that's great charging speed! Tesla are definitely way ahead in this area. It would be great if the Polestar could heat the battery before reaching the charger.
@@thelondonbroiler I think that is too harsh. They are an electric car only company(almost, I know the p1 is a hybrid) and I think they are absolutely invested in making the best electric car they can. This is their first mass market car and its still early days. Tesla has been at it for more than a decade now.
Nice videos! I'm right now leasing a PHEV and would really like to get a Polestar as my next car. I have watched both your videos and you are really doing a great job! Good content, good filming and nice editing. Keep it up!
Great Video and car! Small correction - the Audi e-tron 55 is actually (as the only EV) capable of maintaining 145-150 kW charging speed from 15-80% = table mountain charging curve. The reason it is called ‘charging monster’
@@ShortCircuitPS2 It does - the Ramp up might be a bit slower if not preconditioned but it reaches this speed and can maintain it throughout the charge session
I suspect when you arrived the battery was pretty cold. Battery temperature plays a huge role in charging speeds and I think that was your biggest barrier here. Get there at a low state of charge after a long drive and you could nearly half that charging time.
I know that a couple of reviewers have said that Polestar engineers have told them that the charging curve for the the P2 will be improved via OTA updates in the future. So, while this isn't bad, it will improve. I'd say if you want a nicer car than the M3, then go ahead and get the P2. (I think that Kyle Conner at Out of Spec Motoring is one who quoted the Polestar engineers on the charging curve.)
Cheers for doing these videos It’s great to see a standard spec model for once without the sports suspension set up Does it ride smooth Every review so far has been the sports model which they say suspension is a bit firm which I say try the standard model then 😂
I found this very interesting as there are not many 150kW chargers in the UK. What was not so obvious is that the 55 kW charging cost £22 by my calculations which is certainly not a bargain for (210-25) 185 miles charge. And that was approx 4 miles /minute at one of the fastest chargers.
Yes, not many of these in the country. I've got a Polar plus membership so this charge cost me £11.20. The Polestar 2 tends to charge faster if the battery is warm, perhaps a software update might improve this in the future as the car is fairly limited in terms of what it can receive.
Hi Bradley, I have just wondered whether using the hazard lights just like by the I-Pace would help to achieve higher changing speed. Separately I have seen in German videos they have managed it to achieve between 2% to 15 % ish on Ionity charger for a short period and then drops off to the known curve. Just an idea for you. Peter
I'm really considering a polestar 2. I have one available on my company car list. Problem is I can't charge at home so I have to rely on the public network. There is a 50kw fairly close to my house but with the amount I drive I may be shooting myself in the foot a little.
Good video you explain very well. I am waiting for my new Volvo Xc40 Recharge it will go into production soon. I get the car at the end of November. Then it will be prepared so the first week in December I drive away with it. I am one of the first in Norway to get that car. Ordered on 16 January 2020. It was the first day you could order the car. Talked to Volvo yesterday. They had a customer who signed a contract for the XC40 on October 20, 2020. He will get his car in June 2021. I am really looking forward to my new Volvo XC40.
Thank you very much for these views of the different aspects of EV owning life, as a "seriously considering Polestar" viewer, they are really interesting. On a side note, is your interior Slate or Charcoal? The Charcoal somehow has a more "quality" look to it, even though they are the same material, but I'm wondering whether it might be too dark? I'm coming from being an Audi fanboy, so I'm used to all black, but it can be a bit much! Maybe the panoramic roof means it really isn't an issue - I would value your view?
Hi, great videos. Hows the car deal with the roads around West Sussex and Surrey? Is good with the potholes? Also what wheels are those, they look great. Trying to decide what to get... Thanks
You were saying Tesla have no advantage where you live due to there being no Superchargers in the area. I'm in the same boat (North Wales), but I'm still considering a Tesla as the SC network comes into its own on long trips. Additionally Tesla can use CCS charging stations just like other EVs and can also take advantage up to 250Kw HPC. I'm not a fan boy, but I consider the SC network to be a huge advantage for Tesla and its one of the reasons I'm thinking Model Y might be my next car.
Yes very true, the tesla charging network is very good. And actually I've since read that in our area tesla are installing two new locations so their network is expanding too.
@@ShortCircuitPS2 Yes we're getting one here next year. As more competitors come to market, Superchargers will become a USP for Tesla. Even that will be lost as other networks expand though.
Is average charging speed in this session about 73 kW? As you said it optimal charging speeds is achieved from low state of charge and it is also very important that the battery is at optimal temperature. I am sure you will get better results with a warmer battery and that the battery was quite cold in this session.
At 250 miles per hour being added, that relates to roughly 75kW. Considering the Polestar can take 150kW it seems odd it's so limited. It's not just your video either ... many others have found this on delivered cars compared to Press Cars.
Yes this is very true. I believe that if the battery is warm enough the Polestar 2 can reach 150kw but only for a very short part of the charge cycle. It does seem that in many videos people seldom achieve that.
A difference in pronunciation between the UK and the US, in the US we pronounce 175kW as "one hundred and seventy five kilowatt" whereas apparently in the UK it is pronounced "one hundred and fifty kilowatt".
Short Circuit I think he is referencing what the charger said on the screen just before you started the charge. You said the charger was a 150 a few times in the video but the charger screen displayed 175
Most of the Polestars i've seen are having huge problems utlizing good charging speed. Could be cuz of climate or from fabric i dont know. But seems like alot of them aren't charging higher than 50-70kw which is a very bad thing.... 45min is way off sadly :(
Make sure the battery is warm prior to DC fast charging if you want max speed, i guess there is no way you can affect the battery temp on the Polestar 2, the battery typically needs around 40 celcius to fast charge att maximum speed. Tesla has a software feature "Prectonditioning battery for fast charging" it is activated when navigating to a DC fast charger (supercharger) and it will heat the battery to the optimum temperature when (during the drive) arriving to the fast charger matching the temperature to the arrival time! Tesla also heats the battery when activating cabin heater (if needed) optmized for driving. Driving will gradually heat the battery, this is also a way to heat the battery prior to fast charging but you need to drive fast for at least an hour or more (depending on the starting temperature) Driving a short trip in winter to a fast charger in the morning is worst case scenario! :-)
That's not very impressive mileage for 80% on a new EV. Your talking me into a Tesla! Nice video though and your a natural way of speaking is excellent. Too bad about the hair though.....
Clickbait!?! Well if you had bothered to read the title of the video it’s says 'using a 150 kW installation', not getting 150 kWs. And the car doesn’t show the charge rate in kWs, only mph, or did you miss that bit as well! So how do you know what the maximum kW rate was? Answer, you don’t.
@@iainmackie7064 The thumbnail says "150KW RAPID CHARGING" - does it? The title says "Polestar 2 EV rapid charging at 150kw" - does it? We see in the video the actual ABB charger is capable of 175 kW, so why do you claim a totally different thing?
@@abraxastulammo9940 The thumbnail says "Testing out BP chargemaster 150kW installation". How ambiguous is that? Obviously a little. I also said the car doesn't show the chargerate in kWs - I never mentioned the chargepoint. So once again all that is required is that you read what's actually written.
@@iainmackie5079 It is said the car had a consumption of 36 kWh / 100 miles and charge speed tops out at 254 mi/h so the math should be 36 kW * 2.54 = 91.44 kW net charging speed.
@@abraxastulammo9940 I'm glad you are not my maths teacher. I can't see how your formula will work. The consumption rate, 36kWh/100 miles has zero to do with the Charge rate. The consumption figure is just how many kWhs it used per 100 miles for the last journey. That figure won't change if you plug into a 7kW charger, a 50kW charger or a 150kW charger. Nor will the mph rate change if he had taken longer to get there and had a lower consumption rate of, say, 34 kWh/100 miles. So how are the two numbers related? I don't think they are. The car showed a variety of mph charge rates, the best being 254 miles per hour briefly. But how does someone convert that to kWs? The charge rate depends on what? Not the capacity of the battery, thats in kWhs, not miles. Possibly an algorithm of what Polestar think it should consumer per kWh. Does anyone know what that is? It's possible to work out the % increase, then convert that to kWhs and factor in the time (that info is also available on the chargepoint), ie X kWh in over Y minutes to get an average kW rate, but it's an average not a flow rate. In the video it shows 55 kWs went in over 45 minutes, so that's an average charge rate of 73.3kWs. That's why I think giving a charge rate in mph is completely useless. On AC the car gives it in Amps, so it's possible to convert that to kWs. Not sure why they don't give DC that way either, or even better give both as kWs.
You are a natural at presenting, keep up the videos!
Thanks, very kind!
It started slowly because your battery was cold. As it heated from charging the speed increased until it started throttling due to reaching a higher charge level.
Watching your video makes me appeciate the little details that tesla does so well. My model 3 will preheat the battery if I set my satnav destination to a supercharger so that I get the maximum speed from the very start. My car peaked at 1573km/hr(just shy of 1000miles/hr) the last time I plugged it in.
And also the charging process. When I get to a tesla charger all I have to do is plug in the cable and it starts. No buttons or rfid chips needed. When I’m done I click the little button on the plug and it stops. Thats it.
I like your videos btw. Very pleasant to watch.
Thanks, wow very interesting to hear how tesla deal with the battery heat issue. I totally agree that the tesla charging network is a huge selling point for the brand!
Wow that's great charging speed! Tesla are definitely way ahead in this area. It would be great if the Polestar could heat the battery before reaching the charger.
@@ShortCircuitPS2 it is probably something they could add in a software update. I’m sure the polestar has the capability to heat and cool the battery.
@@audunskilbrei8279 They could add it, but like every other manufacturer beside Tesla, they're either inept, don't want to, and/or just don't care.
@@thelondonbroiler I think that is too harsh. They are an electric car only company(almost, I know the p1 is a hybrid) and I think they are absolutely invested in making the best electric car they can. This is their first mass market car and its still early days. Tesla has been at it for more than a decade now.
Nice videos! I'm right now leasing a PHEV and would really like to get a Polestar as my next car. I have watched both your videos and you are really doing a great job! Good content, good filming and nice editing. Keep it up!
Thanks, our other lease car is an Outlander PHEV. Really like it but much prefer the drive and eco benefits of a full electric.
Just about to take delivery of my polestar 2 so this info really helpful thank you
Great Video and car!
Small correction - the Audi e-tron 55 is actually (as the only EV) capable of maintaining 145-150 kW charging speed from 15-80% = table mountain charging curve. The reason it is called ‘charging monster’
That is very impressive! And a huge benefit to reducing total travelling time. Can it maintain close to 150kw even with a cold battery?
@@ShortCircuitPS2 It does - the Ramp up might be a bit slower if not preconditioned but it reaches this speed and can maintain it throughout the charge session
I suspect when you arrived the battery was pretty cold. Battery temperature plays a huge role in charging speeds and I think that was your biggest barrier here. Get there at a low state of charge after a long drive and you could nearly half that charging time.
I know that a couple of reviewers have said that Polestar engineers have told them that the charging curve for the the P2 will be improved via OTA updates in the future. So, while this isn't bad, it will improve. I'd say if you want a nicer car than the M3, then go ahead and get the P2.
(I think that Kyle Conner at Out of Spec Motoring is one who quoted the Polestar engineers on the charging curve.)
Cheers for doing these videos
It’s great to see a standard spec model for once without the sports suspension set up
Does it ride smooth
Every review so far has been the sports model which they say suspension is a bit firm which I say try the standard model then 😂
Yes agreed. I definitely wouldn't want it any firmer!
I found this very interesting as there are not many 150kW chargers in the UK. What was not so obvious is that the 55 kW charging cost £22 by my calculations which is certainly not a bargain for (210-25) 185 miles charge. And that was approx 4 miles /minute at one of the fastest chargers.
Yes, not many of these in the country. I've got a Polar plus membership so this charge cost me £11.20. The Polestar 2 tends to charge faster if the battery is warm, perhaps a software update might improve this in the future as the car is fairly limited in terms of what it can receive.
Hi Bradley, I have just wondered whether using the hazard lights just like by the I-Pace would help to achieve higher changing speed. Separately I have seen in German videos they have managed it to achieve between 2% to 15 % ish on Ionity charger for a short period and then drops off to the known curve.
Just an idea for you.
Peter
Interesting thanks, I'll have to give that a try!
I'm really considering a polestar 2.
I have one available on my company car list.
Problem is I can't charge at home so I have to rely on the public network.
There is a 50kw fairly close to my house but with the amount I drive I may be shooting myself in the foot a little.
Using the Pilot Assist alot? I really like it on freeways!
Good video you explain very well. I am waiting for my new Volvo Xc40 Recharge it will go into production soon. I get the car at the end of November. Then it will be prepared so the first week in December I drive away with it. I am one of the first in Norway to get that car. Ordered on 16 January 2020. It was the first day you could order the car. Talked to Volvo yesterday. They had a customer who signed a contract for the XC40 on October 20, 2020. He will get his car in June 2021. I am really looking forward to my new Volvo XC40.
Great! That will be a fantastic car.
9:31 54.95 kWh in 46.6 min is an average of 70.75 kW charging speed (at the dispenser). Nearly as good as an ID.3.
Thank you very much for these views of the different aspects of EV owning life, as a "seriously considering Polestar" viewer, they are really interesting.
On a side note, is your interior Slate or Charcoal? The Charcoal somehow has a more "quality" look to it, even though they are the same material, but I'm wondering whether it might be too dark? I'm coming from being an Audi fanboy, so I'm used to all black, but it can be a bit much! Maybe the panoramic roof means it really isn't an issue - I would value your view?
The e-up! charges at 38-40kW from 20% to 90% and it's max is 40kW. It looks like it has a larger buffer.
Hi, great videos. Hows the car deal with the roads around West Sussex and Surrey? Is good with the potholes? Also what wheels are those, they look great. Trying to decide what to get... Thanks
Yeah it copes really well. It's quite firm, similar to the bmw 535d 2015 model I used to own. However it handles much better and feels more composed
Very helpful!
You were saying Tesla have no advantage where you live due to there being no Superchargers in the area. I'm in the same boat (North Wales), but I'm still considering a Tesla as the SC network comes into its own on long trips. Additionally Tesla can use CCS charging stations just like other EVs and can also take advantage up to 250Kw HPC. I'm not a fan boy, but I consider the SC network to be a huge advantage for Tesla and its one of the reasons I'm thinking Model Y might be my next car.
Yes very true, the tesla charging network is very good. And actually I've since read that in our area tesla are installing two new locations so their network is expanding too.
@@ShortCircuitPS2 Yes we're getting one here next year. As more competitors come to market, Superchargers will become a USP for Tesla. Even that will be lost as other networks expand though.
Did I miss how much did that charge costed?
I find it odd that there's no actual readout of the final charge cost on the machine when you disconnect.
Is average charging speed in this session about 73 kW? As you said it optimal charging speeds is achieved from low state of charge and it is also very important that the battery is at optimal temperature. I am sure you will get better results with a warmer battery and that the battery was quite cold in this session.
Does the Polestar not do battery pre-conditioning when navigating to a charger then?
At 250 miles per hour being added, that relates to roughly 75kW. Considering the Polestar can take 150kW it seems odd it's so limited. It's not just your video either ... many others have found this on delivered cars compared to Press Cars.
Yes this is very true. I believe that if the battery is warm enough the Polestar 2 can reach 150kw but only for a very short part of the charge cycle. It does seem that in many videos people seldom achieve that.
Would this charger accept the ?Plugsurfer charge key fob that Polestar were advertising?
I don't think this one would. The Plugsurfing app lists chargers that their card works with, there are quite a number including the Shell chargers.
A difference in pronunciation between the UK and the US, in the US we pronounce 175kW as "one hundred and seventy five kilowatt" whereas apparently in the UK it is pronounced "one hundred and fifty kilowatt".
Where in the video did I say 150kw when I should have said 175kw? I'd love to know!
Short Circuit I think he is referencing what the charger said on the screen just before you started the charge. You said the charger was a 150 a few times in the video but the charger screen displayed 175
Most of the Polestars i've seen are having huge problems utlizing good charging speed. Could be cuz of climate or from fabric i dont know. But seems like alot of them aren't charging higher than 50-70kw which is a very bad thing.... 45min is way off sadly :(
Make sure the battery is warm prior to DC fast charging if you want max speed, i guess there is no way you can affect the battery temp on the Polestar 2, the battery typically needs around 40 celcius to fast charge att maximum speed.
Tesla has a software feature "Prectonditioning battery for fast charging" it is activated when navigating to a DC fast charger (supercharger) and it will heat the battery to the optimum temperature when (during the drive) arriving to the fast charger matching the temperature to the arrival time!
Tesla also heats the battery when activating cabin heater (if needed) optmized for driving.
Driving will gradually heat the battery, this is also a way to heat the battery prior to fast charging but you need to drive fast for at least an hour or more (depending on the starting temperature)
Driving a short trip in winter to a fast charger in the morning is worst case scenario! :-)
What on earth. The car looks frozen before heading to the rapid charger. Not preheated, surely the battery is way too cold to rapid charge properly
That's not very impressive mileage for 80% on a new EV.
Your talking me into a Tesla!
Nice video though and your a natural way of speaking is excellent.
Too bad about the hair though.....
The video is clickbait, because nowhere it shows it charging at 150 instead of the usually achievable 130 kW.
Clickbait!?! Well if you had bothered to read the title of the video it’s says 'using a 150 kW installation', not getting 150 kWs. And the car doesn’t show the charge rate in kWs, only mph, or did you miss that bit as well! So how do you know what the maximum kW rate was? Answer, you don’t.
@@iainmackie7064 The thumbnail says "150KW RAPID CHARGING" - does it?
The title says "Polestar 2 EV rapid charging at 150kw" - does it?
We see in the video the actual ABB charger is capable of 175 kW, so why do you claim a totally different thing?
@@abraxastulammo9940 The thumbnail says "Testing out BP chargemaster 150kW installation". How ambiguous is that? Obviously a little. I also said the car doesn't show the chargerate in kWs - I never mentioned the chargepoint. So once again all that is required is that you read what's actually written.
@@iainmackie5079 It is said the car had a consumption of 36 kWh / 100 miles and charge speed tops out at 254 mi/h so the math should be 36 kW * 2.54 = 91.44 kW net charging speed.
@@abraxastulammo9940 I'm glad you are not my maths teacher. I can't see how your formula will work. The consumption rate, 36kWh/100 miles has zero to do with the Charge rate. The consumption figure is just how many kWhs it used per 100 miles for the last journey. That figure won't change if you plug into a 7kW charger, a 50kW charger or a 150kW charger. Nor will the mph rate change if he had taken longer to get there and had a lower consumption rate of, say, 34 kWh/100 miles. So how are the two numbers related? I don't think they are. The car showed a variety of mph charge rates, the best being 254 miles per hour briefly. But how does someone convert that to kWs? The charge rate depends on what? Not the capacity of the battery, thats in kWhs, not miles. Possibly an algorithm of what Polestar think it should consumer per kWh. Does anyone know what that is? It's possible to work out the % increase, then convert that to kWhs and factor in the time (that info is also available on the chargepoint), ie X kWh in over Y minutes to get an average kW rate, but it's an average not a flow rate. In the video it shows 55 kWs went in over 45 minutes, so that's an average charge rate of 73.3kWs. That's why I think giving a charge rate in mph is completely useless. On AC the car gives it in Amps, so it's possible to convert that to kWs. Not sure why they don't give DC that way either, or even better give both as kWs.