Thank you so much for content like this. I am a lifelong Pirates fan and started collecting cards for the first time last year (at 43). Your videos are a trusted resource for me.
That’s really means a lot Neil, but I’m like everyone else, just giving an opinion, but trying to have fun and enjoy this great hobby! It’s great hearing guys that started/restarted late like myself, we belong as much as everyone else! Let’s go Bucs!!!!
Theo, very clever approach when the seller was unsure of authenticity! For raw cards of more value, I think this eBay AG program makes perfect sense. For graded cards, especially those sold by established dealers or eBay sellers with a fantastic selling history, I don't care for it. At the very least, I think the graded card price that triggers the AG program should be higher for established sellers with great reputations. But hey, eBay hasn't asked for my opinion! Take care, my collecting brother! 😊
I agree Adam, the graded card authentication can get frustrating. I wish eBay allowed the buyer to turn that off when they wanted too. But to me the raw authenticity is needed. Thanks man for checking in!
This gives me peace of mind about Ebay Authenticity. Bought a Patrick Mahomes graded PSA rookie card last year. Everything went through smoothly, appreciate the video brother.
Great video Theo! I like the first loophole! The second loophole is nuts. Personally, I wouldn't assume a grade on an ungraded eBay card. Too easy to doctor the condition in the photos. For that price, I'd have bought it graded. I definitely would never bypass the authenticity on something I'm spending $5000+ on. Great topic, thanks for sharing bud!
It's likely that sellers have not have a positive experience with Ebay Authentication (theft/lost/post-misshipment/damage) and they prefer to sell without the policy that they don't want to use. The cost of selling on eBay is quite high so this 'free' service isn't really free, as nothing really is.
Love the opinion. And agree nothing is free. But what of some bad actors in the space start selling this way and someone gets taken advantage of? I think if authenticity has been a bad experience for sellers, eBay needs to do better. Sellers are what make this process work. Thanks for the input!
I ran into another loophole recently. I sold a $250 graded card (before taxes & shipping) as a BIN or Best Offer. The listing had the authenticity checkmark the entire time it was listed, but the eventual buyer had a PO Box. The shipping destination was for the buyer's PO Box, it never went to eBay Authenticity. I have since heard from other videos that if you have a PO Box, eBay won't do authentication for your purchases. Thanks for sharing the loopholes that you found!
Yes, I had a few other comments that I let people know about the PO Box loophole. I wish I would have mentioned it in my video, I didn’t realize that so many people didn’t know about it. I still haven’t heard why eBay has that loophole. What is eBay’s concerns about a PO Box? Thanks for watching and commenting!
Last month, I sold a card on eBay for a Buy it Now price of $280. The listing had the authenticity check mark during the listing and when the buyer paid, it populated the buyer’s address, instead of the address for the authenticator like I was expecting. Noticed also that the buyer had a P.O. Box and learned later that a P.O. Box can bypass the authentication process.
First time watching. Great information, I hate how ebay has become overflowed with bad sellers trying to scam and honest buyer. Ebay needs to step their game up and shut these people down.
Thanks for taking time out to watch my channel! I agree, eBay is making a lot of money, they need to recognize these loopholes and close them quickly. Instead of us finding them and telling them.
Great info here! Thanks for sharing these loopholes, Theo! In general, I’m happy that eBay authenticity happens for pricier singles… but I have my own concerns about it from my experiences. I have personally dealt with eBay’s authentication passing through fake copies of the Barry Bonds ‘87 Donruss Opening Day Johnny Ray Error. It’s just terrible that these “experts” missed some (4) very obvious signs of a fake card. And once it “passed” there are no returns offered for INAD, so it was a nightmare having to go through payment chargebacks, using comprehensive photo evidence to show why the card was indeed fake. So, they’re not perfect.
I definitely see that negative in graded cards too, where they don’t allow you to talk to the seller anymore, and it’s hard to have a claim when the card doesn’t look like the picture. I guess the question is- on an ungraded card- is eBay authentication more safe than the old method? I’m curious how ppl react to this.
Thanks for the very cool info Theo. Just an fyi, a few weeks ago, I made an offer of $249 for a graded T206 Buy it Now that was listed as $300. It was a reputable seller and they accepted my offer just so it would not go through Ebay authentication. Well, the card did not go Ebay authentication. I am happy with the card, and I figure that if SGC gave it a grade, it's probably ok. // By the way, only $300 for John's card. It's worth 10x of that.
Some great information Theo! Was not aware of either loophole, think the first makes sense, the second makes one wonder a bit. If I was spending a lot of money on a card I would want it authenticated and I like the concept, it just seems to me that EBay has dropped the ball on it!
Yeah I agree! eBay needs to close the loophole and on a second note, they need to improve the authenticity process of the sellers don’t like it. Thanks for watching and checking in!
Definitely makes sense what you did. I wonder how quick eBay chances on and changes something so you can’t do the same. Haha Yeah that second scenario still doesn’t make sense to me. It just creates uncertainty and skepticism and is hurting the sale value
Some people have said- some buyers prefer authentication not double touching there cards. But I’d say 90% of ppl have said it makes the seller look shady. Thanks for giving your opinion!
Smart move and good tip, Theo. Hey I have a signed card by John too, mine is numbered 20/99 and yours is 21. Pretty cool and well worth the asking price 📈
One your first point - I have inadvertently run into a bear over under $250 getting grade. Good call on the one Please send me the 3D 80s Kid rookie auction. So I can smash that “buy it now” button. On your 3rd point. Props. TY! I think it’s a shady practice to include 1 extra card in order to avoid authentication. To you point - that seller may no less careful about he/she is selling. But I have trouble applying positive intent to the practice. Great discussion.
Thanks DK for bringing this situation to my attention and giving me the green light to share. It definitely went well with the situation I had experienced. I’m not selling the John card! I had 3 offers before I could take the listing down!
I do like the idea on listing of the card at $250 in certain situations. I fear if it were done too often, Ebay would decide to charge for authenticity. Their policy says they may in the future but I've heard of no plans to do so, as they don't charge authenticity of purses, shoes, etc. I'd hate for that to change, but in cases like your situation, I think it was a great idea! As for the PO Box loophole, I've heard it both ways. I know one person that has all of their cards shipped to a PO Box and he said he's gotten cards that went thru Ebay Authenticity. I have also heard the policy does not apply to cards either going to Canada or from a Canadian seller, or both. I have no direct knowledge on that one, but it's worth looking into if you do a follow up video.
I have bought from that Jackie seller before. What you are taking about hit me the other day as to why high dollar cards were not heading to authentication, you hit it on the nail! I will not be buying from him again as it feels like he's hiding something. Most of the cards I've got graded have been 2 grades lower than stated anyways. I also have a bunch of recolored cards from the same seller. Although, I feel like PSA is wrong on the recolored decision. Great info, love the video.
No way- those Bowman cards are from him? If you read some of the comments below- a lot of ppl have had issues with the seller. I wish you luck but with his track record, I’m curious what happens. Thanks for watching and the info!
I'm not the biggest fan of eBay's authenticity program, but I would absolutely want a 5k card authenticated. My hope with those lots is that the cards are good and the seller is avoiding authentication because a lot of buyers don't like it. Even if I could afford to pay 5k for a card there is no way I spend that much on a card without knowing it's authentic or that seller better gave really high feedback and an awesome return policy.
Yeah, I definitely understand why sellers hate the authenticity for graded, but ungraded can be scary, I tend to only buy from really reputable dealers, unless it’s a cheap card. 5k is way to crazy for me as well!
I have no problem with the buyer & seller work together and have ebay authenticate a card that is actually purchased for less then $250. I have problem and steer clear of the "lot" purchases that bypass the ebay authentication because a card is listed as a lot - shady, shady, shady! Thanks for getting the discussion going!!!
I’ve never seen 67 Topps fakes and I’ve never seen a realistic 49 fake. My guess is people like me hat authenticity so maybe sellers just avoiding that. Maybe they are good experienced dealers and know what they have.
@@ClementeCollectoryes. Those cards do scare me because of the plain cardboard I’m not sure they can even know for sure to be honest. Not unless it came off the box.
Good info. I guess my question is, who is doing this authentication? I purchased a card recently that was a graded card from PSA and it went through authentication and it passed, but was it necessary? I can check the number myself. I guess maybe if the seller sends a different card, but then the numbers would be different.
ungraded cards are inspected by CGC Cards, and graded cards have their case and label authenticated by a PSA authenticator. I understand, graded cards are one spot most ppl think is overkill, but a slab can be tampered with. Or a picture doesn’t match the card. But ungraded was an area I thought authentication more important.
The same thing happened to me 3 weeks ago. The listing was for $299 OBO, and we settled for less than $200. The slab was sent to Ebay for authentication even if the transaction was way below the $250. This must be automated as soon as you list for over $250 no matter what? Thanks for sharing
A lot listed without authenticity would depend on the seller. If I know them, then I'm ok with it, if I don't, it could get sketchy. I did have a $600+ card go thru authenticity and get damaged by the Ebay process. Worked out a deal with Ebay and they refunded half my purchase price. The more people that handle a raw card, the bigger chance for Ooops!
Do they authenticate autos through this process. I have some Tony Gwynn autos that I’m assuming were done in person by whoever had the cards before me.
New to your channel, didn’t know about doing a best offer listed at $250! Was the authenticity guarantee on all cards over $250? I purchase quite a bit and was surprised on a couple recent purchases that didn’t go through the guarantee. I purchased an Adrian Peterson white chrome psa 10 refractor rookie from a big consigner for $301 recently. They somehow bypassed the eBay authenticity program and i wondered how they did. I didn’t mind since it takes forever to get the card, but wondering if they discovered another loophole?
I’ve had others say that too. I wonder if they made the listing as a lot and you wouldn’t have know. I showed an example that a guy sold 1 card as a lot. Outside of that, i have no idea but had a few other commenters say they have seen similar things. I’m gonna have to ask around. Thanks for coming to my channel and giving it a watch, it’s appreciated!
It was definitely a single card auction. However, I purchased other items from them. They bundled it together, but even then, they are usually forced to send the $250+ card to the authenticity. Was weird how they bypassed it
What is the minimum amount of a graded slab that will automatically get authenticated after an eBay sale? I remember reading any graded slab of $750 or more automatically goes to get authenticated first? But I could be wrong? Thanks!
It’s over $250 a graded card or ungraded card. Unless it’s in a lot or I’ve also seen, if a person has a PO Box it bypass the authentication. Thanks for watching!
This months PSA magazine has an article on counterfeit cards. It is difficult to tell the difference under a magnifier, on eBay it's impossible. Its also becoming more common. I won't buy a card on eBay over $50 unless its graded. Who pays for the eBay authentication, repackaging, shipping? Seller or buyer?
“It’s a free service” the issue is, nothing is truly free, so it makes you wonder if they will increase fees in the future. But I applaud them for trying to get it right by doing it. It’s scary buying cards right now. If I buy an ungraded card, I want to be at a show or buying off a big trusted seller. Thanks for the info!
The authenticity loophole, sending a offer for a $250+ listing, already existed with their sneaker authentication as well. I purchased a $300 card that made it through authentication even though it has significant surface damage (not mentioned in the listing) that ebay didn't flag and passed it. I opened a return, 4 weeks after ebay got it back I still didn't have a refund and had to call customer service.
That’s horrible. I heard when eBay authenticates and gets a claim they are tough to work with. That’s definitely the biggest negative of authentication is when the pictures don’t show something and it passes. Thanks for sharing!
I've bought about7 cards from the guy selling the Robinson, which he's sold 3 times now (make of that what you will, just look at his sold items). His pictures are wildly inaccurate. One card I returned after he offered 50% off in a refund, it was too bad, and the other I took the half off deal. He doesn't show backs, always groups cards with other random cards (that I didn't get, by the way), and either doctors his scans or uses a really old scanner that does not show bad corners and stains.
Wow, at the time I made the video he was 100% score. So I wasn’t gonna lay into him. But that’s crazy! When I saw how nice the cards were, I had concerns. Because most ppl would grade them, not sell them ungraded. Plus the skipping authenticity. Thanks for the info!
They are looking to make sure the slab hasn’t been tampered with. There’s actually a con right now where someone takes a slab apart and replaces it with a less example of the same card. There some shady ppl out there.
Only thing is not every card goes through authenticity. I've sold maybe 10 $250-plus cards. Only 4 went to Florida first. I like the authenticity idea but they need to be consistent with it.
I bought a 2 card lot of 1982 LT rookie cards, one in a PSA 9 slab, turns out 4 months later I find out the PSA slab is fake and they used the "lot" listing to avoid authenticity, the only way I found out it was fake was cause someone tried to add the real one to their psa registry
@@ClementeCollector yes luckily I made that purchase using my paypal account, and paypal is the only one who offers refunds up to 6 months, credit cards dont
They also don't authenticate custom cards or jersey/patch cards (in my experience). Every time I have had a jersey or patch card go to them raw, they have said we don't authenticate, and we are sending it to you (and that the listing lists it as custom (when it doesn't). On all occasions, the cards have been authentic when received. I don't know how this fits in with returns if you as the buyer believes the card is not what it say it was in the listing? It is a bit annoying buying a card that was listed originally at $400 for $100 and then having to wait 2 weeks for delivery. I can see the benefit in your situation. When I have dealt with it it has been for cards that would never sell for $250+ I have also had cards that met all criteria to be sent for authenticity but were sent to me directly. It even had on the listing that it would authenticated. Luckily the biggest card I bought was fine (according to my eye anyway).
Sounds like they have a lot of things to work out. Did you see the story, SGC accidentally graded a Lebron James rookie patch and the patch was not the original one. Scammers are switching patches out now. We unfortunately have to be on high alert as buyers now. eBay also doesn’t send to authenticate if the buyer has a PO Box. That’s strange also.
@@ClementeCollector patches will always be problematic until the manufacturers send all the graders photos of all the cards which include the serial numbers. There was evidence that SGC could have found, but if it had not been sold before then how would they know. It needs to be buyer beware but some things aren't possible to know. In those circumstances, we may need to set lower limits or not bid.
I guess I'm not quite sure why there's eBay "authentication" for graded sports cards from the 3 reputable companies: SGC, PSA, and Beckett. The authentication already took place during the grading process.
I do agree it’s overkill. BUT they look to make sure the slabs were not tampered with. Which is an actual problem recently in the hobby, if guys are taking a card out of a slab and replacing it with a lesser copy. Another thing they should look at is if the pictures of the listing were deceitful, to cover up flaws. Granted I don’t think they do this and I’ve heard of guys having a hard time doing a return because they were not satisfied with the card compared to the photo. Not every graded card has a photo on PSS website.
On the Jackie...... There are plenty of fakes out there for that card. To spend $5000 and NOT be able to hold it or be sure it's authentic is just plain crazy! To me. It's a shady way of doing business on the sellers part when they do cards like that as a lot. I just won't do business with them. Regardless of their feedback. Even that can be skewed and inflated.
What I would be concerned about the eBay Authentication. What happens when the listing is technically correct, the image for example is a 1957 Topps Roberto Clemente, but the card that gets ship to you, is a '57 Topps Clemente...reprint. Could be hard to prove a bait and switch? I've fortunately not had too many nightmarish situations, with eBay and while I do think this authenicity is well intentioned. I could also see this being a scammer's paradise too...
On the reverse side. An honest ebay seller could do the right thing. Go through the process. The buyer turns around and says the card wasn't as advertised or whatever shady crap. At card shows, there is some level of trust too, when you might not know the dealer, but at least you're there in person and seeing the cards in person.
@@ACD1994 yeah card shows feel safer, especially when you have others around to look it over. My thought is eBay authenticity might not be perfect but I’m sure there percentages are better at catching a fake then the average person buying.
It’s hard to believe someone bought the Jackie card for over 5k with no authenticity. It seems like most people agree with you and me. Thanks for watching! 😊
I would not buy any lot of cards with a high dollar card that was not graded. Sounds like someone is being shady. Too many bad apples out there. On the other side, I think it is fine to use the Authentication process like you did. You found out if the card was real or not. Paying only $105 for the Bazooka Clemente sounded too good to be true.
A very valuable card that's not graded is usually not graded for a reason. Why would the seller not want his card graded for a much higher sale price? Because he suspects it may be rejected, if it has not been rejected already. That is a too-broad generalization, yes, but it's my mindset in order to avoid getting hosed.
I do get your point. I think sometimes people get a low grade, crack it and sell it raw hoping someone will pay more than the grade they got pricing. I also think sometimes someone gets a collection from a loved one, doesn’t know anything about grading and lists the cards. I do agree, if it’s over $100, I’m gonna buy it graded for the most part. It’s not worth the risk. And it’s a shame, some ppl are avoiding raw card authentication. Thanks for watching!
ungraded cards are inspected by CGC Cards and graded cards have their case and label authenticated by a PSA authenticator. Seems like a pretty replicable team but yeah I don’t doubt anything these days.
I know exactly which seller you're referring to, and that seller of the Jackie R card is sketchy as hell. I appreciate your diplomacy, however. I am pretty sure I know of their long history. Personally, I'd never buy from said seller and if a card was a high dollar card, I'd want it going to an authenticator. There is zero legit reason to avoid it, unless you're selling trimmed, altered cards. I'd also encourage anyone that has bought from there to very closely check the card vs the pics posted. Enhanced brightness and other tricks can hide flaws. When they first started with this loophole, their listings didn't mention which extra cards came with an there were no pics of them. After some complaints, I believe Ebay made them change. The just said Hall of Fame players and some cards were modern.
Yeah, I’ve gotten many similar responses about this seller in the comments. As more ppl talk it gets worse and worse. It’s crazy they have great reviews. Kind of proves, even 100% sellers aren’t always safe to deal with. Thanks for the comment!
Were you the seller or buyer? Only way I think it’s possible is if the slab was deemed tampered with, when they looked up the cert it didn’t come up or the picture didn’t represent the card well.
@@ClementeCollector I work for eBay and haven't thought of that myself. The miscategorizing things as lots to avoid authentication is a concern. I appreciate the content
Personally, just going off my opinion, I feel like the seller is not trustworthy and they are up to no good. There is a big red flag when you put a raw ungraded near mint Jackie Robinson in a lot. First if it’s actually nm why is it not graded. They would 5x the sale if graded. Two putting it in a lot almost always result in the price being lower then selling it by itself. So why would they put it in a lot? One because it’s not authentic and they are avoiding the authentication process. Two the card is not actually nm, the pictures are edited and they are avoiding the authentication processes. I would always look at the fine print. See if there are terms like “no refunds” or “I’m not a professional grader”. Anything they can use to not get in trouble if sold.
I love your whole comment! This was the best comment I read so far. All great points. Or what if the card was soaked and they don’t want it to be looked over? Maybe that’s a stretch. But when people try to bypass authentication, your mind starts to wonder. Or what if they already tried to grade it and it didn’t get the grade they wanted so it got cracked out? Thanks for the response!
eBay delisting replicas are wonky, only random sellers would be banned or item would be delisted. Digital cards must be banned worthless fks! Sellers listing 'random lot card' must be banned.
Thank you so much for content like this. I am a lifelong Pirates fan and started collecting cards for the first time last year (at 43). Your videos are a trusted resource for me.
That’s really means a lot Neil, but I’m like everyone else, just giving an opinion, but trying to have fun and enjoy this great hobby! It’s great hearing guys that started/restarted late like myself, we belong as much as everyone else! Let’s go Bucs!!!!
If I'm spending that much I want someone else to get eyes on it for sure. Very useful video, thanks for posting it.
I agree! eBay obviously put these safe guards in place for a reason. Hopefully they can close this loophole. Thanks for watching Eddy!
Theo, very clever approach when the seller was unsure of authenticity! For raw cards of more value, I think this eBay AG program makes perfect sense. For graded cards, especially those sold by established dealers or eBay sellers with a fantastic selling history, I don't care for it. At the very least, I think the graded card price that triggers the AG program should be higher for established sellers with great reputations. But hey, eBay hasn't asked for my opinion! Take care, my collecting brother! 😊
I agree Adam, the graded card authentication can get frustrating. I wish eBay allowed the buyer to turn that off when they wanted too. But to me the raw authenticity is needed. Thanks man for checking in!
This gives me peace of mind about Ebay Authenticity. Bought a Patrick Mahomes graded PSA rookie card last year. Everything went through smoothly, appreciate the video brother.
Thanks so much! 👊🏻
Great information Theo, so glad you this experience. Much appreciated
No problem, thanks for the nice words!
Great video Theo! I like the first loophole! The second loophole is nuts. Personally, I wouldn't assume a grade on an ungraded eBay card. Too easy to doctor the condition in the photos. For that price, I'd have bought it graded. I definitely would never bypass the authenticity on something I'm spending $5000+ on. Great topic, thanks for sharing bud!
I agree, that’s so much money to not go through authenticity! Thanks for watching man!
It's likely that sellers have not have a positive experience with Ebay Authentication (theft/lost/post-misshipment/damage) and they prefer to sell without the policy that they don't want to use. The cost of selling on eBay is quite high so this 'free' service isn't really free, as nothing really is.
Love the opinion. And agree nothing is free. But what of some bad actors in the space start selling this way and someone gets taken advantage of? I think if authenticity has been a bad experience for sellers, eBay needs to do better. Sellers are what make this process work. Thanks for the input!
Thank you for this video. Did not know about the first loophole, but did know about the second. Very helpful
Thanks Matt, glad to teach you something new, have a great Sunday!
I ran into another loophole recently. I sold a $250 graded card (before taxes & shipping) as a BIN or Best Offer. The listing had the authenticity checkmark the entire time it was listed, but the eventual buyer had a PO Box. The shipping destination was for the buyer's PO Box, it never went to eBay Authenticity. I have since heard from other videos that if you have a PO Box, eBay won't do authentication for your purchases. Thanks for sharing the loopholes that you found!
Yes, I had a few other comments that I let people know about the PO Box loophole. I wish I would have mentioned it in my video, I didn’t realize that so many people didn’t know about it. I still haven’t heard why eBay has that loophole. What is eBay’s concerns about a PO Box? Thanks for watching and commenting!
You might be able to cancel the sale for the buyer not having an address you will ship to.
@@ClementeCollector I believe it would be eBay uses FedEx and they will not ship to P.O. Box
Last month, I sold a card on eBay for a Buy it Now price of $280. The listing had the authenticity check mark during the listing and when the buyer paid, it populated the buyer’s address, instead of the address for the authenticator like I was expecting. Noticed also that the buyer had a P.O. Box and learned later that a P.O. Box can bypass the authentication process.
The authenticity guarantee cards go through SGC or PSA for graded cards.
ungraded cards are inspected by CGC Cards, and graded cards have their case and label authenticated by a PSA authenticator.
I really like what you did to make sure that the card was authentic. The other loophole is problematic for obvious reasons.
Yeah I agree, I wish more buyers thought so. Thanks man for the comment!
First time watching. Great information, I hate how ebay has become overflowed with bad sellers trying to scam and honest buyer. Ebay needs to step their game up and shut these people down.
Thanks for taking time out to watch my channel! I agree, eBay is making a lot of money, they need to recognize these loopholes and close them quickly. Instead of us finding them and telling them.
Great info here! Thanks for sharing these loopholes, Theo! In general, I’m happy that eBay authenticity happens for pricier singles… but I have my own concerns about it from my experiences.
I have personally dealt with eBay’s authentication passing through fake copies of the Barry Bonds ‘87 Donruss Opening Day Johnny Ray Error. It’s just terrible that these “experts” missed some (4) very obvious signs of a fake card. And once it “passed” there are no returns offered for INAD, so it was a nightmare having to go through payment chargebacks, using comprehensive photo evidence to show why the card was indeed fake. So, they’re not perfect.
I definitely see that negative in graded cards too, where they don’t allow you to talk to the seller anymore, and it’s hard to have a claim when the card doesn’t look like the picture. I guess the question is- on an ungraded card- is eBay authentication more safe than the old method? I’m curious how ppl react to this.
Thanks for the very cool info Theo. Just an fyi, a few weeks ago, I made an offer of $249 for a graded T206 Buy it Now that was listed as $300. It was a reputable seller and they accepted my offer just so it would not go through Ebay authentication. Well, the card did not go Ebay authentication. I am happy with the card, and I figure that if SGC gave it a grade, it's probably ok. // By the way, only $300 for John's card. It's worth 10x of that.
Thanks George!
When they said 10X the hobby, they must of meant by selling John’s card!!! Thanks for checking in my friend!
Some great information Theo! Was not aware of either loophole, think the first makes sense, the second makes one wonder a bit.
If I was spending a lot of money on a card I would want it authenticated and I like the concept, it just seems to me that EBay has dropped the ball on it!
Yeah I agree! eBay needs to close the loophole and on a second note, they need to improve the authenticity process of the sellers don’t like it. Thanks for watching and checking in!
That's some excellent thinking outside of the box, Theo. Glad it worked out for you. Thanks for sharing this info. Cheers!
Thanks man! You have a great Sunday!
Definitely makes sense what you did. I wonder how quick eBay chances on and changes something so you can’t do the same. Haha Yeah that second scenario still doesn’t make sense to me. It just creates uncertainty and skepticism and is hurting the sale value
Some people have said- some buyers prefer authentication not double touching there cards. But I’d say 90% of ppl have said it makes the seller look shady. Thanks for giving your opinion!
Hi Theo. Thanks for the information on this topic. It's good to know and I have seen that example recently on ebay. Thanks for sharing my friend.
Hey, no problem! Glad to shine light on this! Thanks for watching! 😊
I appreciate learning about the first loophole Theo; thank you.
Glad to show you something, thanks for the watch and comment, have a great Sunday!
Smart move and good tip, Theo. Hey I have a signed card by John too, mine is numbered 20/99 and yours is 21. Pretty cool and well worth the asking price 📈
I might need to up the price, ive had a lot of interest in it! 🤣 Thanks Hugo for watching and checking in!
@@ClementeCollector invest!!
One your first point - I have inadvertently run into a bear over under $250 getting grade. Good call on the one
Please send me the 3D 80s Kid rookie auction. So I can smash that “buy it now” button.
On your 3rd point. Props. TY! I think it’s a shady practice to include 1 extra card in order to avoid authentication. To you point - that seller may no less careful about he/she is selling. But I have trouble applying positive intent to the practice.
Great discussion.
Thanks DK for bringing this situation to my attention and giving me the green light to share. It definitely went well with the situation I had experienced. I’m not selling the John card! I had 3 offers before I could take the listing down!
I do like the idea on listing of the card at $250 in certain situations. I fear if it were done too often, Ebay would decide to charge for authenticity. Their policy says they may in the future but I've heard of no plans to do so, as they don't charge authenticity of purses, shoes, etc. I'd hate for that to change, but in cases like your situation, I think it was a great idea!
As for the PO Box loophole, I've heard it both ways. I know one person that has all of their cards shipped to a PO Box and he said he's gotten cards that went thru Ebay Authenticity.
I have also heard the policy does not apply to cards either going to Canada or from a Canadian seller, or both. I have no direct knowledge on that one, but it's worth looking into if you do a follow up video.
Thanks man! Hmmm yeah I’ve heard some mixed things on the PO Box loophole, I need to look more into it. Thanks for sharing!
I have bought from that Jackie seller before. What you are taking about hit me the other day as to why high dollar cards were not heading to authentication, you hit it on the nail! I will not be buying from him again as it feels like he's hiding something. Most of the cards I've got graded have been 2 grades lower than stated anyways. I also have a bunch of recolored cards from the same seller. Although, I feel like PSA is wrong on the recolored decision. Great info, love the video.
No way- those Bowman cards are from him? If you read some of the comments below- a lot of ppl have had issues with the seller. I wish you luck but with his track record, I’m curious what happens. Thanks for watching and the info!
@@ClementeCollector he has given me the option of a partial or full refund so I’ll give him that. They head out to PSA/SGC on Monday 🤞
very interesting content. Thanks for pointing these out. Something to be aware of for sure. Thanks
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
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@@ruckscards9947 thanks man, really appreciate that!
I'm not the biggest fan of eBay's authenticity program, but I would absolutely want a 5k card authenticated. My hope with those lots is that the cards are good and the seller is avoiding authentication because a lot of buyers don't like it. Even if I could afford to pay 5k for a card there is no way I spend that much on a card without knowing it's authentic or that seller better gave really high feedback and an awesome return policy.
Yeah, I definitely understand why sellers hate the authenticity for graded, but ungraded can be scary, I tend to only buy from really reputable dealers, unless it’s a cheap card. 5k is way to crazy for me as well!
Thanks for sharing this Theo. Tons of great information.
Thanks Dave!! 👊🏻
I have no problem with the buyer & seller work together and have ebay authenticate a card that is actually purchased for less then $250. I have problem and steer clear of the "lot" purchases that bypass the ebay authentication because a card is listed as a lot - shady, shady, shady! Thanks for getting the discussion going!!!
Thanks Joe! I hope people continue to discuss because I think eBay needs to look into this!
I’ve never seen 67 Topps fakes and I’ve never seen a realistic 49 fake. My guess is people like me hat authenticity so maybe sellers just avoiding that. Maybe they are good experienced dealers and know what they have.
That’s a fair statement, as I said, they have good scores. But what if a bad seller starts using “lot selling” for some cards?
@@ClementeCollector yea I’m sure the bad actors will. No doubt.
The bazooka’s are hard to tell.
Your right, I really think it’s a card probably better to see in person then standard topps cards.
@@ClementeCollectoryes. Those cards do scare me because of the plain cardboard I’m not sure they can even know for sure to be honest. Not unless it came off the box.
Thanks for flagging these issues, knowledge is power!
You’re right it really is! Thanks for watching Jim!
Great information. Thanks for sharing and love the channel.
Thanks man, really appreciate the nice words about the channel!
Good info. I guess my question is, who is doing this authentication? I purchased a card recently that was a graded card from PSA and it went through authentication and it passed, but was it necessary? I can check the number myself. I guess maybe if the seller sends a different card, but then the numbers would be different.
ungraded cards are inspected by CGC Cards, and graded cards have their case and label authenticated by a PSA authenticator. I understand, graded cards are one spot most ppl think is overkill, but a slab can be tampered with. Or a picture doesn’t match the card. But ungraded was an area I thought authentication more important.
The same thing happened to me 3 weeks ago. The listing was for $299 OBO, and we settled for less than $200. The slab was sent to Ebay for authentication even if the transaction was way below the $250. This must be automated as soon as you list for over $250 no matter what? Thanks for sharing
That’s cool it’s happened to you as well. Confirms what I figured out. Thanks!
I wish I could be there when the authenticators get John’s card! 😂😂😂😂
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Only $300? That card is priceless!
Well, it’s not the 1/1, so I gotta price it to the market!
@@ClementeCollector Very true. Going to have make a new one, to lower the supply, increase the demand, and reset the market!
I'm in Canada. But the Authenticity program is fine by me as a seller and buyer. It doesn't seem to take any longer and I'm fine w the whole program.
Good info, thanks for sharing a Canadian perspective. And thanks for watching!
A lot listed without authenticity would depend on the seller. If I know them, then I'm ok with it, if I don't, it could get sketchy. I did have a $600+ card go thru authenticity and get damaged by the Ebay process. Worked out a deal with Ebay and they refunded half my purchase price. The more people that handle a raw card, the bigger chance for Ooops!
Yeah that’s a sucky story, atleast they made it right. I don’t like that the buyer isn’t making the decision, when over $250.
@@ClementeCollector Would you buy it from Howard without authenticity, that was my point about knowing the person.
Very helpful information. Thank you!
Thanks! 😊
Do they authenticate autos through this process. I have some Tony Gwynn autos that I’m assuming were done in person by whoever had the cards before me.
No I do not believe eBay authenticates autos. If the card is slabbed then they insure it hasn’t been tampered with. But a raw autograph no.
New to your channel, didn’t know about doing a best offer listed at $250!
Was the authenticity guarantee on all cards over $250? I purchase quite a bit and was surprised on a couple recent purchases that didn’t go through the guarantee. I purchased an Adrian Peterson white chrome psa 10 refractor rookie from a big consigner for $301 recently. They somehow bypassed the eBay authenticity program and i wondered how they did. I didn’t mind since it takes forever to get the card, but wondering if they discovered another loophole?
I’ve had others say that too. I wonder if they made the listing as a lot and you wouldn’t have know. I showed an example that a guy sold 1 card as a lot. Outside of that, i have no idea but had a few other commenters say they have seen similar things. I’m gonna have to ask around. Thanks for coming to my channel and giving it a watch, it’s appreciated!
It was definitely a single card auction. However, I purchased other items from them. They bundled it together, but even then, they are usually forced to send the $250+ card to the authenticity. Was weird how they bypassed it
@@juhosevic wow
What is the minimum amount of a graded slab that will automatically get authenticated after an eBay sale? I remember reading any graded slab of $750 or more automatically goes to get authenticated first? But I could be wrong? Thanks!
It’s over $250 a graded card or ungraded card. Unless it’s in a lot or I’ve also seen, if a person has a PO Box it bypass the authentication. Thanks for watching!
cool info . thanks for sharing . yes I would want it authenticated.
Sucks that the buyer can’t decide if they want to skip the authenticity program, that way the excuse can’t be- ppl don’t want there cards going there.
This months PSA magazine has an article on counterfeit cards. It is difficult to tell the difference under a magnifier, on eBay it's impossible. Its also becoming more common. I won't buy a card on eBay over $50 unless its graded. Who pays for the eBay authentication, repackaging, shipping? Seller or buyer?
“It’s a free service” the issue is, nothing is truly free, so it makes you wonder if they will increase fees in the future. But I applaud them for trying to get it right by doing it. It’s scary buying cards right now. If I buy an ungraded card, I want to be at a show or buying off a big trusted seller. Thanks for the info!
@@ClementeCollector Thats awesome for two reasons, it authenticates the card, and puts the burden on eBay if any disputes or issues.
@@Chical209 you are correct, any issues go your way eBay now and not the seller. Thanks for watching and the conversation!
Thanks Theo! Great info!
Thanks Warren!
The authenticity loophole, sending a offer for a $250+ listing, already existed with their sneaker authentication as well.
I purchased a $300 card that made it through authentication even though it has significant surface damage (not mentioned in the listing) that ebay didn't flag and passed it. I opened a return, 4 weeks after ebay got it back I still didn't have a refund and had to call customer service.
That’s horrible. I heard when eBay authenticates and gets a claim they are tough to work with. That’s definitely the biggest negative of authentication is when the pictures don’t show something and it passes. Thanks for sharing!
That's a great way to get cards authenticated.. If a seller on ebay isn't willing to do this; they might be up to no good!
So true! Thanks for watching!
I've bought about7 cards from the guy selling the Robinson, which he's sold 3 times now (make of that what you will, just look at his sold items). His pictures are wildly inaccurate. One card I returned after he offered 50% off in a refund, it was too bad, and the other I took the half off deal. He doesn't show backs, always groups cards with other random cards (that I didn't get, by the way), and either doctors his scans or uses a really old scanner that does not show bad corners and stains.
Wow, at the time I made the video he was 100% score. So I wasn’t gonna lay into him. But that’s crazy! When I saw how nice the cards were, I had concerns. Because most ppl would grade them, not sell them ungraded. Plus the skipping authenticity. Thanks for the info!
I guess I'm a little puzzled why a professionally graded card from a reputable grader (SGC, PSA, Beckett) needs to be authenticated.
They are looking to make sure the slab hasn’t been tampered with. There’s actually a con right now where someone takes a slab apart and replaces it with a less example of the same card. There some shady ppl out there.
Only thing is not every card goes through authenticity. I've sold maybe 10 $250-plus cards. Only 4 went to Florida first. I like the authenticity idea but they need to be consistent with it.
If the buyer has a PO Box it doesn’t go through authentication, is that what happened? If not, I have no idea and agree!
@@ClementeCollector nope. I think I've sent to maybe 2 PO boxes.
I bought a 2 card lot of 1982 LT rookie cards, one in a PSA 9 slab, turns out 4 months later I find out the PSA slab is fake and they used the "lot" listing to avoid authenticity, the only way I found out it was fake was cause someone tried to add the real one to their psa registry
Wow, if people are faking LT autographed slabs, we can’t trust much. That’s a horrible story. Did you ever get your money back?
@@ClementeCollector yes luckily I made that purchase using my paypal account, and paypal is the only one who offers refunds up to 6 months, credit cards dont
They also don't authenticate custom cards or jersey/patch cards (in my experience). Every time I have had a jersey or patch card go to them raw, they have said we don't authenticate, and we are sending it to you (and that the listing lists it as custom (when it doesn't). On all occasions, the cards have been authentic when received. I don't know how this fits in with returns if you as the buyer believes the card is not what it say it was in the listing?
It is a bit annoying buying a card that was listed originally at $400 for $100 and then having to wait 2 weeks for delivery. I can see the benefit in your situation. When I have dealt with it it has been for cards that would never sell for $250+
I have also had cards that met all criteria to be sent for authenticity but were sent to me directly. It even had on the listing that it would authenticated. Luckily the biggest card I bought was fine (according to my eye anyway).
Sounds like they have a lot of things to work out. Did you see the story, SGC accidentally graded a Lebron James rookie patch and the patch was not the original one. Scammers are switching patches out now. We unfortunately have to be on high alert as buyers now. eBay also doesn’t send to authenticate if the buyer has a PO Box. That’s strange also.
@@ClementeCollector patches will always be problematic until the manufacturers send all the graders photos of all the cards which include the serial numbers. There was evidence that SGC could have found, but if it had not been sold before then how would they know.
It needs to be buyer beware but some things aren't possible to know. In those circumstances, we may need to set lower limits or not bid.
@@jeffw654 great points! Makes sense!
I guess I'm not quite sure why there's eBay "authentication" for graded sports cards from the 3 reputable companies: SGC, PSA, and Beckett. The authentication already took place during the grading process.
I do agree it’s overkill. BUT they look to make sure the slabs were not tampered with. Which is an actual problem recently in the hobby, if guys are taking a card out of a slab and replacing it with a lesser copy. Another thing they should look at is if the pictures of the listing were deceitful, to cover up flaws. Granted I don’t think they do this and I’ve heard of guys having a hard time doing a return because they were not satisfied with the card compared to the photo. Not every graded card has a photo on PSS website.
@@ClementeCollector Thanks for the very interesting info.
Really well done video my friend happy to see a video of yours go hobby viral! Don’t forget about me when your famous 😝👊🏼
LOL, I’ll never forget the little people! J/k thanks man!
Why didn’t you send it to me to take a look?
You weren’t talking to me back then. 🙁 J/k next time I will!
On the Jackie...... There are plenty of fakes out there for that card. To spend $5000 and NOT be able to hold it or be sure it's authentic is just plain crazy! To me. It's a shady way of doing business on the sellers part when they do cards like that as a lot. I just won't do business with them. Regardless of their feedback. Even that can be skewed and inflated.
Makes you wonder if they lose business doing it. Like you said, it makes you not interested.
That's good to know .
Your welcome!
What I would be concerned about the eBay Authentication. What happens when the listing is technically correct, the image for example is a 1957 Topps Roberto Clemente, but the card that gets ship to you, is a '57 Topps Clemente...reprint. Could be hard to prove a bait and switch? I've fortunately not had too many nightmarish situations, with eBay and while I do think this authenicity is well intentioned. I could also see this being a scammer's paradise too...
On the reverse side. An honest ebay seller could do the right thing. Go through the process. The buyer turns around and says the card wasn't as advertised or whatever shady crap. At card shows, there is some level of trust too, when you might not know the dealer, but at least you're there in person and seeing the cards in person.
@@ACD1994 yeah card shows feel safer, especially when you have others around to look it over. My thought is eBay authenticity might not be perfect but I’m sure there percentages are better at catching a fake then the average person buying.
No chance in the world that I would trust those sales in scenario #2. Ever.
It’s hard to believe someone bought the Jackie card for over 5k with no authenticity. It seems like most people agree with you and me. Thanks for watching! 😊
1 card lot?!...lol...🤣😅🤣
A New York Yankees lot! Haha!
USPS is the biggest worry they just don't delver it.
I would not buy any lot of cards with a high dollar card that was not graded. Sounds like someone is being shady. Too many bad apples out there.
On the other side, I think it is fine to use the Authentication process like you did. You found out if the card was real or not. Paying only $105 for the Bazooka Clemente sounded too good to be true.
My opinion is- a loophole opens the door for bad actors. I agree with you! Thanks Ken for watching and giving your opinion!
Been doing this since the start
Agreed, I think a lot of ppl didn’t realize. Thanks for watching! 😊
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A very valuable card that's not graded is usually not graded for a reason. Why would the seller not want his card graded for a much higher sale price? Because he suspects it may be rejected, if it has not been rejected already. That is a too-broad generalization, yes, but it's my mindset in order to avoid getting hosed.
I do get your point. I think sometimes people get a low grade, crack it and sell it raw hoping someone will pay more than the grade they got pricing. I also think sometimes someone gets a collection from a loved one, doesn’t know anything about grading and lists the cards. I do agree, if it’s over $100, I’m gonna buy it graded for the most part. It’s not worth the risk. And it’s a shame, some ppl are avoiding raw card authentication. Thanks for watching!
Hopefully the authenticators don't pull a CGC and swap cards to keep for themselves n just tell you yours is fake or whatever
ungraded cards are inspected by CGC Cards and graded cards have their case and label authenticated by a PSA authenticator. Seems like a pretty replicable team but yeah I don’t doubt anything these days.
Great video
Thanks Ziggy!
I know exactly which seller you're referring to, and that seller of the Jackie R card is sketchy as hell. I appreciate your diplomacy, however. I am pretty sure I know of their long history. Personally, I'd never buy from said seller and if a card was a high dollar card, I'd want it going to an authenticator. There is zero legit reason to avoid it, unless you're selling trimmed, altered cards. I'd also encourage anyone that has bought from there to very closely check the card vs the pics posted. Enhanced brightness and other tricks can hide flaws. When they first started with this loophole, their listings didn't mention which extra cards came with an there were no pics of them. After some complaints, I believe Ebay made them change. The just said Hall of Fame players and some cards were modern.
Yeah, I’ve gotten many similar responses about this seller in the comments. As more ppl talk it gets worse and worse. It’s crazy they have great reviews. Kind of proves, even 100% sellers aren’t always safe to deal with. Thanks for the comment!
Well played! eBay collects so many fees why not use the service
Yeah I agree! Sucks there’s a loophole taking it away! Thanks for watching!
I once had a card fail ebay authenticity and it was a graded card.
Were you the seller or buyer? Only way I think it’s possible is if the slab was deemed tampered with, when they looked up the cert it didn’t come up or the picture didn’t represent the card well.
@@ClementeCollector I was the buyer on the card.
@@jeffjones8866 well that sounds like eBay authentication saved you, which is great!
Thats smart
Thanks man! Thanks for watching too!
@@ClementeCollector I work for eBay and haven't thought of that myself. The miscategorizing things as lots to avoid authentication is a concern. I appreciate the content
@@XYouVandal well it’s pretty rampant now, so it’s cool to have someone from ebay get the feedback! Thanks!
I would think that anyone spending that kind of money on a card or anything for that matter, would like to know it’s authenticity.
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I feel like listing things as a lot to avoid authenticity checks is super shady. I can't help but think that this is a scam.
Yeah it’s really not a great look. I had no buyers comment this video saying- “no- we do it because if this” makes me think it was a fair point.
The lot loophole is a scam! I would never buy a $5K card not graded already.
I wouldn’t either! Pretty ridiculous this can happen now!
They need to lower the $250 cost
I tend to agree, I think especially for raw cards. Should be anything over $99
Personally, just going off my opinion, I feel like the seller is not trustworthy and they are up to no good. There is a big red flag when you put a raw ungraded near mint Jackie Robinson in a lot. First if it’s actually nm why is it not graded. They would 5x the sale if graded. Two putting it in a lot almost always result in the price being lower then selling it by itself. So why would they put it in a lot? One because it’s not authentic and they are avoiding the authentication process. Two the card is not actually nm, the pictures are edited and they are avoiding the authentication processes. I would always look at the fine print. See if there are terms like “no refunds” or “I’m not a professional grader”. Anything they can use to not get in trouble if sold.
I love your whole comment! This was the best comment I read so far. All great points. Or what if the card was soaked and they don’t want it to be looked over? Maybe that’s a stretch. But when people try to bypass authentication, your mind starts to wonder. Or what if they already tried to grade it and it didn’t get the grade they wanted so it got cracked out? Thanks for the response!
@@ClementeCollector yes! That too. I read your comment and thought, maybe it’s was graded and came back altered. Then they uncracked it.
eBay delisting replicas are wonky, only random sellers would be banned or item would be delisted. Digital cards must be banned worthless fks! Sellers listing 'random lot card' must be banned.
Yeah digital cards are a joke! Listing thousand dollar cards in a lot, not a good look. eBay needs to do something about this!