The future of Electric Trucks?
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2023
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Who We Are:
Edison Motors is a privately owned Canadian Clean Technology Company That Manufactures Electric Semi Trucks.
Dec 2021: Edison Motors was announced to the public
July 2022: Edison built North America’s first electric logging truck.
Oct 2022: Edison completed prototype testing
Nov 2022: Edison Motors began building their first production truck: an Edison L750
Edison Motors aims to produce Electric & Hybrid Vocational Trucks & EV Conversion Kits that deliver fuel savings without compromise.
Edison Motors was founded by Chace Barber and Eric Little who entered their business partnership in 2016 after graduating university and starting a trucking company with a 1969 Kenworth 5 axle Logging Truck (Old Blue). They began hauling logs in Merritt, BC. moved to hauling mining equipment into the Yukon and then expanded to moving drilling rigs in Alberta before returning back to BC Logging.
The business grew, more trucks were added and due to the frustration in serviceability of newer trucks the partners started rebuilding older trucks from the frame rails up to use in their own trucking operation instead of buying new truck. The business grew and expanded to hauling and installing power generation systems. In 2019 this added business aspect and growth to taking on the role of engineering and designing off-grid solar hybrid power systems. After their first successful project design and construction of a first nations community in northern BC Canada, Eric and Chace started to engineering process of a diesel-electric semi truck using the same principles.
After reserving a Tesla semi in 2017 and not receiving the truck for 4 years, in 2021 they decided to start building their own electric trucks because that was quicker than waiting for the Tesla delivery and resulted in designing of a more robust truck tailored to the logging and heavy vocational industries their trucking company operated in.
The Edison Truck is the result of a trucking company who remanufactured classic logging trucks with their engineering expertise of off-grid hybrid power systems. It is the aim of Edison Team to have the reliability and serviceability of a classic semi with the efficiency, power, and emissions standards of an electric truck.
Building The Truck Of The Future With The Quality Of The Past.
We only want to sell you the truck once.
Much like the Pacific trucks of the 1960’s and 1970’s. The Edison trucks are designed to be able to last, we understand the more uptime the truck sees and the longer it’s service life the better the Return on Investment is in the truck.
This is Edison Motors goal and philosophy, build the futures electric truck to run efficient as possible while being as simple to maintain as possible.
We are truckers, building truck, for truckers.
We let the engineers decided what components the truck needs for the electrical side, then we have experienced mechanics tell us what parts and being used and where those parts are going.
Our mechanics are use to working on logging trucks that are broken down in the middle of the bush, they know they’re the ones who will have to go repair them. We believe that nobody is better are make sure the truck is reliable and easy to fix as the ones who have to lay in snow at -40’ below or in spring mud.
Don’t kid yourself, these are the most efficient & modern trucks you can possible buy on the market today, but they’re made to be fixed in the bush. Our truck is high tech so your shop doesn’t have to be.
When your Edison Truck is delivered you can be sure you won’t need to go truck shopping again until you want to expand the fleet
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It’s a fact in the vocational world that trucks are going to break-down. Off-road heavy hauling and logging in Canada beats up equipment. Edison plans for this by engineering our parts and equipment to make them as easy to service as possible for your mechanics.
Edison has a multi-layer process to achieve this goal:
* The first step is early involvement of mechanics into the design process, making sure experienced mechanics look at the design for serviceability
* Using commonly sourced parts, we try wherever possible to limit any custom built parts and opt for the common aftermarket parts companies use. This makes sure when something breaks you can go into any parts store and have the piece you need to get back on the road
* no fault codes, if there is a fault our computer will tell you exact what the check engine light means 
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never get rid of the driver override, even with the software. sometimes situations occur, things break, malfunction, and you still need the ability to override.
I disagree.
Human factors will destroy equipment.
You cannot allow humans to override safeties
@@brucebaxter6923 everything needs to be taken into consideration. We don't want to dumb down things too much for drivers to loose or not have hands on skills! We saw this with the 737 MAX airliner! Everything works well when things are working. When things hit the fan is when experience is required! When Sully landed his aircraft in the Hudson river because he lost both engines because of birds, it was his years of flight time and glider experience that saved everyone on board!
The correct answer is to have overrides, but ensure that using the override is NEVER more convenient than doing it the "right way". If you are using the override it should be because it was absolutely required.
It should also be auditable, so if it's being used it's possible to determine why and either the automation or the process can be adjusted to not require overriding.
Basically the important part is to prevent people from getting in the habit of overriding, normalizing deviance from how the systems are designed to work.
@@SeanHarlow I see you have never worked in automation.
@@brucebaxter6923 Sarcasm? You’re skirting Poe’s Law so I can’t quite tell.
I know there's a TON of cool stuff discussed in the video but I latched onto the idea of the trailers being E-axle equipped. Literally the potential for 18 wheel drive
considering that canadian logging trucks are often tri-drive, and you might have 3 or 4 trailer axles, we could be seeing much more than just 18 wheel drive.
@@boxr_4214not many 18 wheelers anymore in BC at all. Either triple/triple, tandem/triple or trains lol
Better to think of it as 'all wheel drive' if you power the steer axel(s).
An 8x8 tractor with a 3 axel trailer would be cool as hell if it was needed for the job.
Definitely be a plus
Lot of added weight tho. So it would be a small application
How does it feel to know you guys are making history right now! One day kids in classrooms will be taught about how important this company was to the existence of a cleaner industry!
Um, actually these guys are making the future.
Cleaner energy mining all over the world using cheap labor from other countries.
@@ridestreet20 I don't think you read my comment correctly. Either that or English is not your first language.
@@francomtz7115 and the fact of the matter is is that they are making it extremely cheap for a owner operator in this industry. Which means yes the operator could charge less which means that they could run other operators out of the area and get that work for themselves and still make good profit. All while being less polluting
I wanna save this video for the future when all the topics of this conversation actually meet reality and just watch it again with pure joy. Thank you for driving progress in such a creative way!
Great idea!
I hope it works that way. I'm sure we'll look back on some videos impressed how well we pulled it off, and I'm sure we'll look back on other videos and have to eat our words
- Chace
This conversation definitely helped put range anxiety in better focus, cleared up the fuzzy estimations about energy usage and requirements, and made it clear to me that you guys have a great vision for what trucking needs to be.
Well this went from cool to insane in about 11 min. This tech is going to be insane.
*Yes! You are correct!*
Yep
How about 0-100 MPH/KPH in 60 seconds!!!
@@dans_Learning_Curve
What do you mean?
@@dans_Learning_Curve Elsa do it in 5 sec empty and 20 sec loaded
Never having to smell diesel and Def on lunch break would be wonderful. Also getting a full 30 minute break and not counting the time towards fueling as part of your break.
You could also stage your solar generator units at load and/or unload points to add battery energy while loading or unloading. Also, you could stage gangs of your solar generators bypassing paying for the grid, if it's not open to the public it could circumvent legal problems with the power companies. For fleets you could have interchangable battery packs to reduce down time.
Close, the solar stations have Battery storage and a fast charger
My question though is how much time when loading and unloading is stationary?
And at the same point?
@@joshuacheung6518 Valid points. I believe loading landings are moved as little as possible as long as they can efficiently get the logs there, electric equipment bringing logs in may extend that range, perhaps also using Edison solar as they are portable. The greatest advantage would be at the mill side for fully electric trucks, or as was talked about break areas. What drove my thinking was using Edison solar instead of paying for the grid. Just kind of thinking out loud.
@gdhone2371 with regards to interchangeable battery packs "Janus Electric Ltd" are currently developing along a similar modelling system in Newcastle, Australia... at the moment it's retrofitting to existing trucks (on road. The current operation involves a forklift exchanging the battery packs with a human operating, the plan is for the "Driver" to (as an example): 1 - drop his trailer at the dock; 2 - park the truck at the exchange site, and walk away; 3 - robotic arms will then remove the flat battery pack and exchange for a recharged set; 4 - driver returns and drives away. The manual operation currently takes 15-20 minutes per pack to exchange, the robotic proposal drops that to 5-10!
@@PiersDJackson thanks, that's fascinating.
What a great discussion. Happy to see this project materialize in real time. Keep it up guys!
This is such a fun conversation! Everyone's beaming with excitement!!
I know, right 👍!
What about when you get to sawmill . You dump the extra energy into stationary batteries. Then those batteries can supply power into the sawmill or power grid. Then the truck can go back up the mountain to get another log load, and potential energy fill up.
More brainstorming videos like this please! I'm going to share this with Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics (PHAD) who's an EE! He thinks outside of the box! Very creative person! He's originally from Russia, but you wouldn't guess it by listening to him talk! It's only when he breaks into full Russian mode!
we'll try. Now that we have Theron to film around the shop full time we should capture more
I love that Dave is covering the fact every location is unique as is the most optimal solution; that is going to be one hell of a well earned doctorate!
The big one is interchangeable energy; if managed correctly the real possibility exists of opperation with near zero, zero or negative energy costs; yes that depends on each individual site.
I noticed that some commenters still don't get that this about optimal use of resources; fuel will not go away (at least for now in most situations) the technology isn't quiet there yet, but the technology is here to facilitate 'use fuel only when you absolutely need to use fuel' and lower your bottom line in theprocess.
Another idea with the needle nose is a forkable or easily hookable battery "pallet" that bolts to the frams so if any service to the battery in the front is needed it can all be removed in one go by just removing the hood and a couple connections
You guys are still makin me like what you do, even though i dont think an electric car is really the way to go. Fully electric logging truck seems fairly reasonable, though, after this video.
Kinda really wana come down and check out the set-up out there, infact. That's how interested i am..in a technology i didnt really care for. Though gotta admit, the hybrid part makes it a lot more viable in my mind.
Motor-generators also have interesting efficiency curves that vary by current level. If left totally to the typical driver, they will want to accelerate quickly, but keeping the mechanism well within the high efficiency range can significantly reduce the energy consumption to do the same work.
Two words: maintenance scheduling! This software could also do recordkeeping with respect to service intervals.
Remember if one can throw in an electric power pack, everyone else can too.
A crucial consideration is enough battery to allow maximum regen back to the mill.
If the battery is full 5 minutes into the return trip, there are few further gains thereafter. maximising energy potential is the game here..
Rise and fall in every road segment is known, hybrid hydraulic regeneration systems in Australia were working the energy needed - and accounting for predicted future deficits to minimise fuel consumption (Permodrive).
Changing the absolute layout of forest blocks could be huge.
Powering the mills with idle trucks - surplus energy from the downhill trips could grid feed also...
You guys pay less for your power than we pay in grid access fees...Even at a spot generator price of 5c, means the consumer is exposed to 15-20c (that is IF they are exposed to market prices - then markets have the downside, when prices peak to 50c/kWh (good for generators, not so much for consumers..
This level of planning is normal for aviation, not necessarily for road transport.
For more batteries up front, tandem steer axles allows for another 5tonnes of payload up front.
I’m a maintenance mechanic at a factory and have no use at all for one of these trucks but god damn I want one. You need to make a pickup truck with the same mindset of reliability and repairability
The same computer could eventually keep track of its own weight and turn on a warning yellow light or red light for overweight as its being loaded and never have a overweight issue ever again. It would know the route and any road weight limits. It could sent into to truck stops before you get there and if the truck was stopped 3 weeks ago with no issues, and the transmission says all is well, it could give you the green light to not even bother stopping.
There could even be sensors reading steering slop etc, that could indicate bad tierod ends etc.
Excellent video! Just what I asked for! Thank you!! It's good to know who are the brains behind the projects!
Great work for a bunch of hosers! Seriously, you guys really get me CHARGED UP about this tech!!!!
I’m just waiting for the day when I can buy a conversion kit from you guys
21:48 I love how both take 1 and take 2 made it into the Final Cut 😂
I have fun with my editing, or lack of.
- Theron Danger
Can y’all please do this more it’s very interesting to learn about this stuff
If you routing a path in Google maps for bicycles, you totally get up and down along the path (so you know how difficult the ride will be). So they have the data.
I love how open you guys have been with things, it's great. Yes, there are some things you can't share, but you're being a great example of how to do things in the modern day, a lot of KickStarter projects need to learn from you.
you need a energy sharing type thing. so if a truck break down a other truck can recharge his friend.
Man I would love to have a hybrid rig with Regen brakes and then a 53ft van with Regen brakes AND solar panels. The weight would probably be insane but I would love to see that in the real world and see how well it works
It’s fun watching y’all nerd out
Yall should do power to grid added to your trucks, or truck sharing, so when regening more than draining, you can dump the batteries somewhere to have regen overhead
the predictive generator management sounds awesome
I love your companies, attitude and spirit. The best of entrepreneurship.
Thats insane, Imagine generating more energy then used, could even sell some to the grid.
I recall reading about a mine somewhere that's on the top of a hill and their electric haul trucks actually offload power to the grid at the bottom every time. I hadn't realized until this video that it could potentially apply to logging trucks as well.
Have you considered exporting to the grid at the end of day/pre-exporting the battery down and seeling it back to the grid since your expecting an excess
I do writing and research for X youtube channels - once accountants get hold of the figures, fleets are swapped over overnight - CA company after company are like we get 1 or 2 BEV or we swap out 50% of the fleet to BEV, for testing/experiment to see how good/saving before the year out all the fleet is BEV due to the accountants showing the cost savings.
The shift to BEV esp companies will be driven by accountants and the cost savings in less downtime/PM/servings & esp fuel cost savings.
In trucking esp, OTR fuel is by far your number-one cost
Using the load to recharge the batteries. Brilliant in its simplicity - I'd say it's even elegant in a way - getting a free charge.
I hope you guys go very far with this!
Edit: thanks for letting us see this from over your shoulder, guys. I think a lot of us would like somehow to be part of what you're doing, because it's something worthwhile.
A program controlling battery charge before going up or down large hills could also control the radiator fan to avoid turning on the fan when the generator will be turned off in the next minute and stay off for a while, reducing power use and keeping the engine warmer for when it is restarted.
Yup, data is extremely valuable (assuming it is analysed and understood...). An experienced automation engineer once said to me "If you aren't measuring your system, you don't understand your system". I was a bit offended.. as a factory engineer I thought I understood my system just fine.
I was wrong, he was right... as I got into automation and energy efficiency, I found that every temperature or pressure transducer or other "measuring device" I fitted paid for itself many times over due to efficiency gains from increased understanding.
More than the efficiency gains, the whole plant became more reliable as we could "see" events occurring that we had been unaware of, identify the cause and resolve the problems.
I can see the same benefits for vehicles.. logging the electrical system while driving could show up peak loads, temperature spikes etc, and understanding these and resolving them could add significantly to the service life of the truck, or inform the reforming of a road to allow greater efficiency of the trucks using it etc.
Great work guys, exciting times! Looking forward to seeing your company succeed, grow, and become a transformative organization.
Wondering if this could be used for some of our roll off trucks. We have a bunch of tandems and triaxles running around the Rockies and they load up near the top of the hill and unload near the bottom.
Also wondering if you guys could share more information on your model for when it comes to general city/highway driving.
Hopefully you guys get that solar trailer system running. If so you can see about entering your truck and trailer road train idea in the Australian Bridgestone World Solar Challenge. That would be an excellent proof-of-concept
I want to do this so badly!
- Chace
@@EdisonMotors good luck with it. Also you could pickup any competitors that drop out and score some good guy points
@@EdisonMotors That would be awesome! I've wanted someone to do this for a long time!
I wonder if it'd be possible, given the potential net positive in energy production, could an operator sell that power back to the power company during peak times when connected to the grid?
Yes, there are electric train systems on mines that don’t use power and have an excess already operating for many many years
Hopefully you can get a better deal than solar panel owners who can sell power back for 10¢ on the dollar.
I think you can. My mind goes towards unloading that power to electric equipment, building power, things like that
@@amosbackstrom5366😂😂
If it saves those beautiful old trucks from the scrapyard I am all for it. 😊
What a brainstorming session it was fun to see the light bulbs come on save this video for future reference
At the beginning of this video I couldn't tell if you were joshing us or if he was having a legit discussion. Your facial expressions told me a lot. I see a consulting gig for this guy at Edison in the future.
18 wheel drive (because it’s electric it’s essentially having lockers)with tire inflation-deflation system.
That in itself is a game changer.
Grandfather and father were both loggers. I didn’t pursue it but I know the game well
I already did this! 🤣This is awesome Guys!! Looking forward to watching you guys grow and prosper.
Energy saving can be algorithm mapped given the Regen data and charge/discharge model. Most important for pure electric is the range needed to get you all the way up hill with enough power to safely run the breaks and air pump as well as the power steering on the way down. How much breaking power will the Regen break provide. And how many amps it puts out. Oh wait! The loaded truck has more energy actually cos you are bringing tons of Wood downhill. You are for sure even on a hybrid going to on purpose discharge your battery upon return. If it takes time to discharge actually you may have to literally change battery bays to be able to climb on empty again. Unless you can exchange batteries or discharge uphill. Interesting concept.
Will the Edison trucks have telemetry back to Edison to continue development of the algorithm? How will you handle customer privacy?
Ive been watching all your videos and you guys have a lot of great ideas
Super inspiring conversation! Love it ✌
Cant get enough of your vids love it. Big love from Vancouver Island
They looked at using EV converted Cat 777 and 773 mining trucks to take the coal from the mine i work on down the hill to the rail loadout, about a 2000ft drop over an 8km haul road......turned out that it was not viable on current tech when duty cycle was taken into account.....it couldn't move the same tons per week as the same size trucks on diesel and the EV's cost per ton moved was at best case 20% higher based on the best case battery life and with a very optimistic cost of conversion and the lower maintenance cost factored in
Go Beavs! Good luck on the PhD
What if they installed public use during the day charging stations for people, or at least for employee vehicles. I think that would increase profits for the companies. I know the mills aren't beside heavy traveled roads. If delivery OTD drivers start getting electric in their vehicles, they could charge while loading the lumber. I think your company needs to prove to other companies that packed hood electric trucks. Not many people want to be the first one to do things.
Edison and Stimbo, the opposite ends of electric trucks are the kinds of electric vehicles i like.
You had me at needle noise!😊
hi guys keep moving forward. we need to know the data on performance. i know two people who bought ev's and there range does not match what they were told it would be. that contributes to range anxiety. the hybrid design eliminates the anxiety issue. myself i would opt for the hybrid system almost every time. the ability to switch from just truck to grid topping allows flexibility.
Wow Chase, i'm really glad you have such nice friends talking Trucks , because it must be lonely being a LEADER like that, waaaay out in Front of the industry,...
It's not lonely. There's lots of good guys at Edison out front here with me working together
- Chace
@@EdisonMotors
absolutely friend, Your Team Is inspiring a Whole industry with FEARLESS and PEERLESS innovation,...Full Steam Ahead
Great Conversation.
Thanks for the info
If he allowed Geolocation data inputs. Current companies could just tag vehicles during different routes and stop and go data. Along with scale data.
11:00 had me chuckling with the realization moment
Neat to think you could recoup the power you spent making it up the hill just with the added weight
Great show.
In the American Vancouver and happy to buy a pint on your drives back.
Feature creep in real time! I love it.
Cool my alma mater is combining forestry and its electrical engineering Motors group. Sort of like the wave power with hatfeild
The expansion of technology and these discussions are key , might not be a trucker but looking forward to my future hybrid pick up. Edison motors and deboss all the way!!!!!!!!!!!
that is really really awesome bit of infomation
Any plans to build other work/fleet chassis cabs/up fitted like class 3, 4, heavy/light duty?
Everything the student says makes sense. The problem is with real life application is the average employer and consumer doesn’t want to do these calculations. They go with tried and true with what works. But these guys are on another level with their trucks. It’s like a Lego. You can pretty much do everything yourself. 👏
wait... what?... go back i was spacing out 2:17 hahahah
What about power sharing from those logging trucks? Like in the yard recharging forklifts, or other equipment?
I've always thought that resource extraction industries were ripe for hybridization. Zoom out enough and a lot of bulk material and resource extraction usually goes for refinement/processing/shipping down hill.
I'm betting part of the problem with putting the batteries up front is that in the case of any head on collision, your batteries are up there for the brunt of the force making for a massive safety hazard. It's why so few cars use the "frunk" to put extra or more batteries in.
Question. Is there risk of overheating the batteries and catching fire. If so does it need fire suppression?
Been following this from the earliest videos with fascination. I'm curious what is the MAX environmental operating temp or duty cycle? Y'all always talk about the batteries in cold weather but what about keeping the batteries and motors from overheating in say the oilfields of west Texas in July and August when the air temp in the shade is 110 -115 degrees? just curious.
And you can run the site with the batteries and diesel gen set
This is just WAY too cool
Great ro learn about thie.
The battery technology isnt there yet you cant charge them fast enough to take full advantage of dynamic braking.
Australia would be a great place to test these trucks too.
Energy capture from hauling loads downhill --- Fortescue railway does this with ore trains. Batteries take the empty train uphill to the mine and are charged on the net downhill haul.
Keep in mind...its not going to be downhill all the time when loaded , the numbers may flip.. may be pulling out of a valley so all the regen may be when empty..the heavy pulling all uphill...theres just to many variables
AWESOME!
If in the end you are generation more power. Can you do some kind of Vehicle-to-grid? or vehicle to another vehicle or tools, etc..
That was one of thir main plans
I'll have you know that this was so good that I delayed watching Tucker's interview with Trump. 😁😁😁
Seriously, the points you all brought up are golden. I've been a die hard diesel head for over 40 years but you definitely have me reconsidering a few things.
My concern is that due to good old human greed, the bean counters will help their higher ups reap more profits while figuring out how to stiff the drivers, again.
Nevertheless, this is the future you guys are spitballing and it's freaking awesome...
Keep on truckin eh!
That is the system i have been lookibg for. I have sern the hills, turns roundabouts, crossroads, and thought this is way more impotant then length... 👍🏻 I now have one electric car and one petrolhybrid, and i drive the hybrid like never... The cost is like up to 10 times differense....
Its way easyer to just connect when home instead of going around filling petrol.. Diesel would be not very different...
the other thing is making sure your battery is not full when you are at the top of the hill otherwise you have no where to dump the regen. I hate getting into my nissan leaf when the battery is full.
That was a good watch
Would love to see you guys do an old cab over like that needle nose .
All the batteries under the hood means the truck will get stuck easily when running empty. The diesel is 2500lbs. But I think the battery is heavier.
Have you had any consideration of what the benefits in Ontario or Québec where the slope steepness and length is much less?
It is really cool watching you guys develop this tech almost in real time!
If the trucks are abble to generate more energy that is actually consumed, do you plan to let the truck inject the excess electricity on the Network durring the night?
Careful on oversizing the diesel engine. In tracked equipment we have encountered problems where the engine operates in the low end of its range. Issue comes with the emission systems expecting a higher load percentage. Result is damaged and or failing emission systems.
Essentially you have to burn fuel with oversized engine just to insure emission systems are operating correctly.
All fair points. As stated i work with tracked machinery which is by design off road. Unfortunately we are bound to the emission regs and have to deal with the add ons.
My reaction was to the comment of “just banging an oversize engine in”. No issues doing this with engines w/o controls.
I wonder if you could create electricity, if you were to harness the weight of the vehicle being compressed once the loads on, using opposing magnets on or in the shocks or springs.? Hope I added some value. Go Bev's!
You should do more of theses kind of longer uncut videos more often
Problem is to much is assuming cost of electricity stays the same/relative,
And that the government/ big business
Will not abuse this, in many different ways, like taxes, and says where you can go...
Much love from Kelowna Brothers!