We modeled this reverb after the one at Abbey Road including the frequency controls. The 10KHz is accurate for recreating the studio controls, but since guitar speakers are rounded off at 5-8KHz, you'll hear nothing in a guitar rig. However, put it on singing like several people have done, and thru a PA, it's really nice.
I'm interested to know if this pedal's approach is the same as for the 30ms? Doesn't that have an Abby setting? I was interested in the 30ms, but I rarely play out with two amps. (Might in the studio, though.) Is playing with two amps really essential to get the most out of that one?
I have been looking for this pedal for months. I finally found a UK retailer who had one new one left and ordered it, it's on its way to my hometown Las Vegas. I bought the 30ms Automatic Double Tracker which has the chamber reverb available but not controllable. Plus you can't operate all of the ADT functions unless you change the internal dip switching to a mode that turns the reverb off. Needless to say I love the 30ms but am really looking forward to using them in tandem. The 30ms for a slapback, chorus & ADT pedal and the Abbey Chamber Verb as the main reverb of my rig. This review is one of the best on the pedal, certainly made me want it even more.
I loved mine and it was a killer sounding reverb. Actually one of the best I have used. The only issue was engaging the reverb caused a boost in my signal which I didn’t want so I ended up selling it.
I still can't tell if this is the right verb for me. Playing out of a Micro Dark and a PPC112 cab. S/S/H Strat and Les Paul Studio. I really just want some reverb for a bit of spacious layer on clean and a little dimension behind some overdrive.
The Problem with those PCB-mounted power jacks is that they are mounted from the outside of the case. That means you can't connect the power before you finally assembly the whole thing. Only my EH Electric Mistress Deluxe and my DIY Pedals have Chassis mounted Jacks.... but yeah they are better!
... this sounds so much more than a reverb .. it sounds MUCH more like it creates the environment in which the guitar is screaming way over the top of any compressed / compression sound .. yes, you can & do create reverbed sounds; with a finer ear you can hear the sidewalls getting pulled out as the sound widens yet no longer throws, then you can hear the sound being added right up the middle. For me, it's much like the VOX mod'd sound on the delay reverb chain, called "Hall" as in concert hall. It's on the same circuitry ... or perhaps after watching too many videos, I've become pretentious. Now I'm fucked.
you had me running to check the power supply jacks on my pedals. Only brands in my collection that have the jacks you prefer are Cmatmods, MI Audio & Anarchy Audio. Everything else (T-Rex, EQD, TCE, Keeley, Subdecay, Hardwire) were PCB mounted with a hole punched in the pedal case. Never had any issues with power to any of them, but interesting nonetheless
I think broken DC jacks are not as common any more on PCB mounted ones as the soldering area is usually to dual sided boards and we make the mechanical connection tight and tough. If I look back at 30 years of repairing PCB mounted jacks, in general it happens to single sided boards where the holes on the board are really Huge compared to the size of the pins.
the PCB things are more reliable. And since you cannot use metal jacks because some dumbfuck decided to put the PLUS contact on the OUTside ages ago and this has become the standard, the chassis mounted plastic things are as brittle as the PCB mounted ones. Changing the PCB type is also not an issue and those are standard parts, so no problem there...
I agree. I thought for a long while that it was a Dumb Fuck idea too. But then I realized the intelligence behind it. It's to prevent ground loops. The cables tie the ground from unit to unit with the signal. With the negative to the outside, you'd end up with a One Spot daisy chain mess of noise and ground loops.
This does not make sense to me because: 1)The PSU ground has to be referenced to signal ground in some way unless you are using a galvanically isolated DC/DC converter in each and every pedal which you do not I guess. 2) The enclosure has to be referenced to signal ground in some way unless you are using a second internal isolated guard enclosure which - as far as I am aware - nobody does. Otherwise the circuit will be completely unshielded and because of that it will hum, hiss and maybe fart like crazy due to capacitive coupling of random noise into the pedal via the floating enclosure. 3) Once metal 1/4 inch jacks are used, the case is referenced to signal ground anyways and due to 1) to PSU ground as well. So I cannot see how you would open up ground loops by simply inverting the polarity of the plug from center positive (by which you could easily ground the enclosure using a metal connector if you wanted to) to center negative (by which the connector has to be isolated no matter what because we do not use a lot of PNP parts where signal ground is referenced to the positive rail any more...and even if we did, this would not work at all if other pedals' ground busses are referenced to the negative supply rail). 4) Please explain to me how a pure DC supply can introduce hum into a circuit and please also explain to me how lowering the ground bus impedance by using the pin that has the lower contact resistance (outside negative) can increase hum. I do not get that. Plus, there are loads of devices that require far more bandwidth and are far more sensitive than guitar stuff (RF measurement equipment for example...) where the chassis is grounded in as many points as humanly possible - both on the signal and the supply grounds - because this is the only way these circuits can work at all without oscillating or emitting/receiving stuff it should not. Having said that - I certainly like your products and will consider them in case I need something that you can provide. Your hands on way of communicating with potential customers like me makes me like your products even more ;) Keep up the good work.
You have me on all of those points, except maybe a little on 4. These switching supplies are not really that pure. My experience has lead me to find that daisy chain supplies like the One Spot create ground loops and noise. Now, I could be classifying this wrong and it could be because (high) current to certain pedals is causing strange currents to flow and noises to not be filtered out in the normal means (each to a regulated and filtered tap on a transformer). I have nothing else than that experience, people emailing sometimes 1-3 times a day for a decade about One Spot daisy chain type supplies. They change supplies (to a Voodoo Lab or similar), and the noise goes away. So, my deduction has always been that although I can't see the eddy currents, someone was smart enough to not put the ground there, or did it for a specific reason. There are plenty of DC jacks with with POS tip, like my Arduino boards. So it's not the jack manufacturers. Terry Burton Engineer and Founder of Strymon seems to feel the same way. I just did a Google search and found this article. Might be of some interest although it is not written for a technical audience. www.premierguitar.com/articles/Powering_Your_Board I myself, remain committed to the notion that I realize I know less and less as each day passes.
I agree on the SMPS part. They have significant AC ripple and noise on the output voltage. In my words: A lot of them suck hairy donkey balls. A few years ago I spent some time thinking about the whole AC ripple and grounding topic: Obviously this PSU AC ripple will lead to issues, since this AC noise/ripple/hum/whatever is not filtered out by the pedals themselves. These do not have proper power input filtering built in but expect clean DC like a battery would provide. Plus, with certain pedals that do not pull a constant DC current (or maybe a slowly changing DC current) but rather random bursts or whatever (digital pedals love to do this...), this causes more AC on the DC as "conducted emission" and it can cause the PSU regulation to get significantly worse, making the AC content even higher. Now when this "dirty" DC ends up in other pedals as their power supply, it will obviously cause bad behaviour of those pedals. On a single daisy chain the currents carried to the (digital) pedal causing the dirt is supposed to only flow across the ground connection of the DC jack. In reality these currents will flow partly across there and partly across the 1/4 inch signal jacks. If the latter ones have a significant (what this means depends on the sensitivity of the connection we are looking at..worst case would be a gain pedal or fuzz input, of course) impedance to the PSU ground (OXIDATION!), the AC content will show up as signal on the input of the pedal. One way to eliminate this problem is a low impedance to ground. A copper bar or something like this that ties the pedal grounds together. Since this is not really a viable solution, the only solution is to galvanically isolate the supplies so no loops can be present whatever impedance the signal grounds have. In my opinion the contact resistance of the outer pin on a DC jack should be lower than that of the inner pin given that the outer pin is spring loaded on a lot of female DC connectors whereas the inner pin is a connection made by a solid pin in a round hole or (luxury) a slotted center pin in a round hole. So if we want to reduce impedance to common ground to "as low as possible", we MUST use the lower impedance contact which is very likely the outer one. Plus, this one can be mounted directly to the case without having to connect it to the signal jacks using wiring/PCB traces like it has to be done when the center pin is being used. Another benefit is that unused DC connections cannot short out the DC supply when they touch a pedal enclosure (no taping required) if the outer contact is at the same potential as the case. I am aware that neither me nor you nor any manufacturer that uses 9V DC power will ever be able to change this since the "center negative" pinout has been the common standard for ages. We can discuss what difference it makes, but we are tied to this pinout because somebody decided it was a good idea ages ago. :(
We modeled this reverb after the one at Abbey Road including the frequency controls. The 10KHz is accurate for recreating the studio controls, but since guitar speakers are rounded off at 5-8KHz, you'll hear nothing in a guitar rig. However, put it on singing like several people have done, and thru a PA, it's really nice.
I'm interested to know if this pedal's approach is the same as for the 30ms? Doesn't that have an Abby setting? I was interested in the 30ms, but I rarely play out with two amps. (Might in the studio, though.) Is playing with two amps really essential to get the most out of that one?
Hey I've had my 30ms for about 3 days- it's not essential to have 2 amps but its phenomenal if you do..
I purchased this pedal but I'm getting a boost when engaged , and i don't understand why this Is happening, so sad cause the Reverb sounds awesome
@@MateoMusico I love that boost effect. Try it wth MXR Carbon Copy in front of Abbey Chamber Verb.
Thanks for very unusual pedal. I love it, and it sounds fantastic with MXR Carbon Copy in front of it.
I have been looking for this pedal for months. I finally found a UK retailer who had one new one left and ordered it, it's on its way to my hometown Las Vegas. I bought the 30ms Automatic Double Tracker which has the chamber reverb available but not controllable. Plus you can't operate all of the ADT functions unless you change the internal dip switching to a mode that turns the reverb off. Needless to say I love the 30ms but am really looking forward to using them in tandem. The 30ms for a slapback, chorus & ADT pedal and the Abbey Chamber Verb as the main reverb of my rig. This review is one of the best on the pedal, certainly made me want it even more.
I'm glad you're using that shecter in a lot of your videos, it's one beautiful and rich sounding guitar.
that animated pointing hand is a great idea
nice sounds and great review.
I enjoyed your review. Made me smile (and I bought the verb). Well done.
SOLD! I just ordered one from Sweetwater...
i've been excited for this one!
Can you use it for vocals too?
I loved mine and it was a killer sounding reverb. Actually one of the best I have used. The only issue was engaging the reverb caused a boost in my signal which I didn’t want so I ended up selling it.
I noticed a bit noisy when he turned it on too 6:20
I still can't tell if this is the right verb for me. Playing out of a Micro Dark and a PPC112 cab. S/S/H Strat and Les Paul Studio.
I really just want some reverb for a bit of spacious layer on clean and a little dimension behind some overdrive.
The Problem with those PCB-mounted power jacks is that they are mounted from the outside of the case. That means you can't connect the power before you finally assembly the whole thing. Only my EH Electric Mistress Deluxe and my DIY Pedals have Chassis mounted Jacks.... but yeah they are better!
Good review buddy! As always. Thumbs up!
PS Nailed it with the Eddie Van Halen comment. Would love to try this through some of my 5150III's
It's beautiful.
I think a belle epoch in the front and the chamber verb in the loop would be great for van halen type of stuff.
... this sounds so much more than a reverb .. it sounds MUCH more like it creates the environment in which the guitar is screaming way over the top of any compressed / compression sound .. yes, you can & do create reverbed sounds; with a finer ear you can hear the sidewalls getting pulled out as the sound widens yet no longer throws, then you can hear the sound being added right up the middle.
For me, it's much like the VOX mod'd sound on the delay reverb chain, called "Hall" as in concert hall. It's on the same circuitry ... or perhaps after watching too many videos, I've become pretentious. Now I'm fucked.
you had me running to check the power supply jacks on my pedals. Only brands in my collection that have the jacks you prefer are Cmatmods, MI Audio & Anarchy Audio. Everything else (T-Rex, EQD, TCE, Keeley, Subdecay, Hardwire) were PCB mounted with a hole punched in the pedal case. Never had any issues with power to any of them, but interesting nonetheless
I think broken DC jacks are not as common any more on PCB mounted ones as the soldering area is usually to dual sided boards and we make the mechanical connection tight and tough. If I look back at 30 years of repairing PCB mounted jacks, in general it happens to single sided boards where the holes on the board are really Huge compared to the size of the pins.
I would imagine the room has a "bitey" respose to cut through the mix. I bet this reverb shines in a full mix.
whats the song at the end?
Your acid wash jeans are killer!
16:00 - Hanson!
I'm coming to Germany to record with you... when I win the lottery...
the PCB things are more reliable. And since you cannot use metal jacks because some dumbfuck decided to put the PLUS contact on the OUTside ages ago and this has become the standard, the chassis mounted plastic things are as brittle as the PCB mounted ones.
Changing the PCB type is also not an issue and those are standard parts, so no problem there...
I agree. I thought for a long while that it was a Dumb Fuck idea too. But then I realized the intelligence behind it. It's to prevent ground loops. The cables tie the ground from unit to unit with the signal. With the negative to the outside, you'd end up with a One Spot daisy chain mess of noise and ground loops.
This does not make sense to me because:
1)The PSU ground has to be referenced to signal ground in some way unless you are using a galvanically isolated DC/DC converter in each and every pedal which you do not I guess.
2) The enclosure has to be referenced to signal ground in some way unless you are using a second internal isolated guard enclosure which - as far as I am aware - nobody does. Otherwise the circuit will be completely unshielded and because of that it will hum, hiss and maybe fart like crazy due to capacitive coupling of random noise into the pedal via the floating enclosure.
3) Once metal 1/4 inch jacks are used, the case is referenced to signal ground anyways and due to 1) to PSU ground as well.
So I cannot see how you would open up ground loops by simply inverting the polarity of the plug from center positive (by which you could easily ground the enclosure using a metal connector if you wanted to) to center negative (by which the connector has to be isolated no matter what because we do not use a lot of PNP parts where signal ground is referenced to the positive rail any more...and even if we did, this would not work at all if other pedals' ground busses are referenced to the negative supply rail).
4) Please explain to me how a pure DC supply can introduce hum into a circuit and please also explain to me how lowering the ground bus impedance by using the pin that has the lower contact resistance (outside negative) can increase hum. I do not get that.
Plus, there are loads of devices that require far more bandwidth and are far more sensitive than guitar stuff (RF measurement equipment for example...) where the chassis is grounded in as many points as humanly possible - both on the signal and the supply grounds - because this is the only way these circuits can work at all without oscillating or emitting/receiving stuff it should not.
Having said that - I certainly like your products and will consider them in case I need something that you can provide. Your hands on way of communicating with potential customers like me makes me like your products even more ;)
Keep up the good work.
You have me on all of those points, except maybe a little on 4. These switching supplies are not really that pure. My experience has lead me to find that daisy chain supplies like the One Spot create ground loops and noise. Now, I could be classifying this wrong and it could be because (high) current to certain pedals is causing strange currents to flow and noises to not be filtered out in the normal means (each to a regulated and filtered tap on a transformer). I have nothing else than that experience, people emailing sometimes 1-3 times a day for a decade about One Spot daisy chain type supplies. They change supplies (to a Voodoo Lab or similar), and the noise goes away. So, my deduction has always been that although I can't see the eddy currents, someone was smart enough to not put the ground there, or did it for a specific reason. There are plenty of DC jacks with with POS tip, like my Arduino boards. So it's not the jack manufacturers. Terry Burton Engineer and Founder of Strymon seems to feel the same way. I just did a Google search and found this article. Might be of some interest although it is not written for a technical audience. www.premierguitar.com/articles/Powering_Your_Board
I myself, remain committed to the notion that I realize I know less and less as each day passes.
I agree on the SMPS part. They have significant AC ripple and noise on the output voltage. In my words: A lot of them suck hairy donkey balls.
A few years ago I spent some time thinking about the whole AC ripple and grounding topic:
Obviously this PSU AC ripple will lead to issues, since this AC noise/ripple/hum/whatever is not filtered out by the pedals themselves. These do not have proper power input filtering built in but expect clean DC like a battery would provide.
Plus, with certain pedals that do not pull a constant DC current (or maybe a slowly changing DC current) but rather random bursts or whatever (digital pedals love to do this...), this causes more AC on the DC as "conducted emission" and it can cause the PSU regulation to get significantly worse, making the AC content even higher.
Now when this "dirty" DC ends up in other pedals as their power supply, it will obviously cause bad behaviour of those pedals.
On a single daisy chain the currents carried to the (digital) pedal causing the dirt is supposed to only flow across the ground connection of the DC jack. In reality these currents will flow partly across there and partly across the 1/4 inch signal jacks. If the latter ones have a significant (what this means depends on the sensitivity of the connection we are looking at..worst case would be a gain pedal or fuzz input, of course) impedance to the PSU ground (OXIDATION!), the AC content will show up as signal on the input of the pedal.
One way to eliminate this problem is a low impedance to ground. A copper bar or something like this that ties the pedal grounds together. Since this is not really a viable solution, the only solution is to galvanically isolate the supplies so no loops can be present whatever impedance the signal grounds have.
In my opinion the contact resistance of the outer pin on a DC jack should be lower than that of the inner pin given that the outer pin is spring loaded on a lot of female DC connectors whereas the inner pin is a connection made by a solid pin in a round hole or (luxury) a slotted center pin in a round hole.
So if we want to reduce impedance to common ground to "as low as possible", we MUST use the lower impedance contact which is very likely the outer one. Plus, this one can be mounted directly to the case without having to connect it to the signal jacks using wiring/PCB traces like it has to be done when the center pin is being used.
Another benefit is that unused DC connections cannot short out the DC supply when they touch a pedal enclosure (no taping required) if the outer contact is at the same potential as the case.
I am aware that neither me nor you nor any manufacturer that uses 9V DC power will ever be able to change this since the "center negative" pinout has been the common standard for ages. We can discuss what difference it makes, but we are tied to this pinout because somebody decided it was a good idea ages ago. :(
If you ever come to Oklahoma, please be my guest for a tour of the shop and I'll make you dinner! Would be a blast! ;-)
Room 🎤 hahahha... 🤣🤣🤣
Always repeat your bum notes.
People will think you meant to do it... ;^)
Bei 10 Kilo passiert nimmer mehr, Klampf is hat für mehr unnerum! :)
unnerum is immer gut....
10K macht ja eigentlich mehr frisch obberum...
Jan Minor Ja aber er hat schon recht ab 7-8kHz passiert bei der E-Gitarre nix mehr da kannst du boosten/cutten wie du willst.
I don't this sounds good
I could do without the flipping swearing.