The Human Ape 5of10
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Humans are apes. Great apes. Apes all belong to the superfamily Hominoidea. The great apes are the family Hominidae which we share with the Chimpanzees, Gorillas and the Orangutan. Our DNA is less than 2 percent different from that of chimpanzees, so from a biological viewpoint, what is it that makes humans so different from the other great apes? Find out what our ape cousins can do -- and what they can't.
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Maybe the chimp is just goal oriented to get the food, but the child is also aware of the social context, so the girl maybe thinks she has to do what she is told, she wants to please the lady etc.
This test reveals something startling. Children who are raised to believe in predetermined disposition in terms of philosophical beliefs and values would be less likely to investigate a greater solution to themselves and their society than a Chimpanzee! So that means that a Chimpanzee is most likely to investigate, reevaluate and even develop novel solutions to a challenge than human children who would continue to faithfully follow their parents and / or cultural mentors without question.
We can actually learn a lot from the way the chimps solved the box puzzle. That girl was probably afraid of being 'chastised' for doing something 'wrong' if she didn't solve the puzzle her own way. We don't think for ourselves and blindly follow the leader because we don't want to be viewed as doing something 'wrong'. But that's how we learn, and we're stopping ourselves from thinking things through in favor of 'following the leader'. I'm going to think things through for myself from now on.
VERY interesting to see the difference in "judgement" about heavier vs lighter balls--when there was much LESS difference in the previous examples they've been showing us.
lol the chimp was like "what a mug making me go the long way!" lol
@GuacamoleKun If I was that little kid, I would have thought "If I don't do the first bits, the woman will see I cheated and she'll take the sticker back"
the only problem with the test is, they did it with children vs. adult chimps. an adult human would probably also go for the shortcut, so if they wanted to see the difference between human and chimp learning styles, they should have used a chimp of an equivalent age.
I think it is what makes humans different. The sole purpose of our actions do not revolve around only "treats", but, if any, the steps we are taught for whatever purpose, which would may be much greater than solely satisfying our hunger (not even). This is how art comes about, this is how anything greater than hunting and gathering come about.
@Kamizi I was just going to say the same thing! ^_^ I'm so grateful for these videos. This information is awesome.
lol. at 7:23, i can picture him squealing "Weeeee!"
@mirk1500 I'm glad to see that your account is now gone.
2:45 Jessica does the full sequence despite what she sees because she believes that the 'authority' regarding success is the person administrating the test. If she was told that success was based on how swiftly she could complete the test, then she would be doing so with the same urgency as the chimp. The nature of the relationship with the 'tester' has fouled any 'control' element in this experiment.
Also, the concept of weight of objects, heavy vs light is something kids are familiar with through learning from culture and from their parents, whereas chimps are not familiar with the concept.
I think what makes humans unique is that we do things simply because we can, or because we know we can. I can't see other animals that do that.
What is up with all the hate on this page? This video is NOT about theists vs. atheists and does not mention anytime that God doesn't exist. Evolution does not say ANYTHING about how life began. If you think I'm wrong, look it up in any biological anthropology textbook. In fact, nobody is sure of how life began.
If you guys are so smart and knowledgeable, then you would know that only ignorant people don't know how to respect other's opinions.
Awww I felt sorry for the chimp that used the lighter ball it looked sad that it's apple didn't come down lol
3:57
pwnd by a chimp, i feel much better now
and i was not sarcastic
humility is bliss to me
I love it, kids (people) do what they are told. Chimps want the food. Awesome test.
This test was done on nova with white and asian kids. Its not race, it's age. The answer was that young children assume adults do things the right way from the start and think it has to be that way, they follow instructions more directly and do not have the second guessing feeling that teens have.
@NairbSenoj
Only thing is they tested it on 1 year olds, that's amazing.
@VerseInfinitum This is indeed amazing. This test proves something extremely important about the truth of human psychology and learning. It's a shocking thing really, shocking that we as humans can be so reliant on our teachers that we follow them faithfully and without question. At least for children that is, but sometimes that's all that is required to shape one's life.
'Pretend nonsense actions'
*Atheist chuckle*
Human children "learn-to-please" so in this particular experiment these kids simply wanted 2 learn/repeat the action 2 please their teacher, not 2 get the reward. The fact that the children probably knew they were being tested is the biggest reason they tried 2 please their teacher by doing it the “right" way, their teachers showed them.
@VerseInfinitum but passing down knowledge from generation to generation by direct instruction is what made us survive and thrive, such as agriculture, making fire, hunting and so on, the chimps are learning like how a child looks over a classmates shoulder for the right answer to the test, there are probably a great many astounding chimp tools and techniques that have been lost over time because they do nothing more than copy each other and end up starting from scratch every few decades
in the box game. the apes goal is to get the food but the humans goal was to play the game i think that can have an effect on the result.
I wonder if the kids would do the whole ritual if the experimenter wasn't there watching. Alternatively, if they might discover after some time messing with the box that the first steps were unnecessary and, then, only do the last step.
I believe that there is a human factor which the experiment did not control for and that is the human child's need for approval. The children may very well understand that they are performing actions which are unnecessary for retrieving the reward but having watched the adult show them in such a careful manner, they might think that they are expected to do the same. For the apes, only the end results matter, hence they take more direct action.
You sir has just won at life...
I wonder if kids on the autism spectrum would have gone straight for the reward instead of going through the routine.
A sticker?? If I was one of those African kids I think I'd prefer the food reward.
agree
"So it seems blindly copying is not so stupid after all" - Is the narrator making excuses for human shortcomings?
we're successful because we don't question authority O_O That's no longer what's needed to survive these days for humans. Some of us have moved on!
the non-human great apes are fascinating just like Mars is fascinating as it has similarities to our home Earth. There is much to learn and perhaps the proposal of future ethical questions on the basis we have the power to improve their lives so shouldn't we not? yet again we have issues in the human world to finish first but once most issues are overcome we should consider helping the chimps evolve but now we should certainly ban killing of chimps and protect them.
@VerseInfinitum Although I gave this a thumbs up and agree with you, I don't think it's necessary to evoke beliefs and values. I think it's much more fundamental than that. But that understanding, either way, does make great implications to how we function in societies. It's rather interesting that comfort from imagined or real certainties about a function can really enliven a persons convictions. Life is quite strange.
Maybe she sees that as a new tradition like hitting the box before eating to thank
personally i believe that its our curiosity and ability to make a sacrifice (even if it means getting hurt or dying) to find the answer to the question(s) we long for to understand, that has separated us from the all other life on earth. as a result, we have been caught in a "snow ball" effect to try and get better on a personal and global scale, constantly.
The humans probably copy it because they think there's some sort of trick going on that they can't see. That's why I would have done it when I was a kid.
The chimp doesn't even think about why the tester might be doing those extra actions.
@FUwogs on the flipside.. following authority mindlessly is what fosters innovativeness? Yeah, real smart observation.
@kartmankai i'm sure they would have though about that, as i am sure other scientists have repeated the experiments and gathered similar results.
If people interpret this as the kids COULDN'T FIGURE OUT they could just reach in, then I think that conclusion isn't warranted. If I think of myself as a kid (especially not knowing anything about the lady), I would have done what I was told because "I had to," or because "there might be a bigger reward later for kids who did what they were told," or...lot's of other social reasons. Chimps, I'm sure, had NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE with such social complexities when dealing with humans.
Id be curious about any biast in the study. What exactly are the instructions Dr. Horn gives. It could be the children are simply reacting to an appeal to authority and perform the steps even though they know they're not needed to get the reward
Requiescat in Pace, Neil Armstrong.
He's getting quite aggressive sounding - the narrator - by the end of this video isn't he???
The box test proves that people blindly follow anything. Like buying a computer, making an account and then commenting on a youtube video.
The human child is being told what to do though. It's unfair
@HerrKnitler I also did this when I needed to enhance quality in my videos.
Possibly, I was thinking the same thing. It's just not a human trait. But I think us humans think about this where apes do not. And saying they don't, is it that they don't care or don't have the mental capcity for such things?
Another question as to why I find all types of apes so interesting.
@HomoGnosticus - I think that is sort of what they were saying. We copy everything exactly as shown, whereas a chimp notices the true solution more quickly. And, consequently, feels no qualms about disappointing the teacher.
6:20 Why does it show humans to be at the top of the evolutionary tree of life? Everything alive today should be on a horizontal line at the top.
@LittleDirtyBlonde23 Your first sentence should more be like, "Distinct cultures are the product of people". Two individuals born of the same parents can develop two completely distinct cultures if they're never influenced by each other, their parents and their society. Differences in culture are mainly the result of differences in experiences for different groups of people. And it is through experience that people develop ideas about different things. And experiences can be really different!
She's self conscious about the observer. The relationship between the researcher and the researched is too close. The experiment is contaminated.
I was thinking the same,
We have been evolving on this planet as long as any other species. No species' evolutionary background is any longer than any other. That is my first point. Second, Chimps have all of the basic requirements for developing advanced technology, culture, and anything else we generally associate with humans. Two possible reasons they have not developed technology or culture the way we have is either they haven't had enough time or they do not feel the need. I'd write more but I'm out of characters.
Pretty much.
@GetMeThere1 My thoughts exactly!
@Athanatos2727 I think you may have missed the point.
This is a partial explanation of how religions start: unnecessary actions repeated because of confirmation bias.
im blown away by how many thumbs down there are on each video in the series!
would the girls actions change if she didn't think anyone was watching her?....
uh... yes we are... the tree is still growing... but we are at the are at the top of it
@firefumedale: Plus you might also ask, are all of our inventions useful or necessarily improve our lives? Western society can claim responsibility for coming up with most modern innovations. Americans/Europeans might claim to have overall better quality of life, but plenty of Americans die prematurely due to Heart Disease, Cancer, poor diet, accidents due innovations such as cars, electric appliances. Many Americans die in their 50's or even 40's today.
Could it be that human children don't take the short cut is because they are conditioned by society not to do so. A human child may suspect that the easy way is a trick of some kind. The great apes have not had the same kind of conditioning, so of course they would take the easier and more logical way..
Could this be a clue to why people stick with parent's religions/faiths/stupidity?
Are you kidding me about the last test? How do you spell BIASED? "[He] gets it right away." Yeah, if by right away you mean a women speaking to them in their native language giving them the solution and sharpening it to two choices, out of which the answer and means by which you can assume the answer are obvious, prior to the test, then yes, they solved it right away. Put those kids in there with the words "Get the apple" and we'll see how well they fare.
Box test: so humans = + for learning but - for spreading ignorance like religion
hmm...i find this part kinda not true. They didnt know using the heavy ball will knock the apple down= they dont know physic....but they knew using a heavy rock to bash open a nut =they do know physics... although a 1 and a half year old girl can solve the ball/apple trick..do you think that girl can crack a nut open if she is given a rock?
why are all thes comments saying religion makes us stupid instead of saying human nature is stupid?
This shows that how much time we waste in our lives by doing useless things!
test contrived to show a victory for humans
@kdc43 Although no single researcher has performed all of these experiments, however a coalition of institutes, universities and expeditions over the course of centuries have placed many discovered clues and continue to this day to synthesize all available data and established an applicable theory. Although new discoveries such as Ardi will continue to shape and reshape our understanding of human origins, science has proven to be the best means we've made to understand ourselves.
who said we are so smart...maybe they know it all and watch us fail.
so the one percent of cimpaz that did copy her and so they can learn english?
Oh. ok that makes sense lol
4:15 human see human do
this box experiment is a nice metaphor for why people believe in God
@danpt2000 ...plenty of Americans die prematurely due to Heart Disease, Cancer, poor diet, accidents due innovations such as cars, electric appliances...
No, not all uses of technology are improvements. Mankind, if not restricted by commerce, politics and dogma could produce devices that are more efficient, safer, sustainable and even more beautiful by leaps and bounds. We already have the technology and resources to really improve life. Science doesn't kill people, bad ideas do.
@firefumedale at last!! someone whit a brain in youtube!!!
i know. i meant the hairy ones.
Not Sure Why They Make It Sound Like Humans Have Instant Knowledge About Physics And Such.
They Are Learned Just Like Anything Else. Give A Child A Brush And It Will Know What To Do With It. Possibly Because It Has Seen It's Mother Use One Or It's Mother Use One On It. Give A Brush To A Chimp However ,And Chances Are It Won't Start Grooming Itself Unless It Has Prior Knowledge Of What The Object Is.
Was it for the religious, we were still in the middle ages.
wait is her accents half american half british?????
@firefumedale we are not innovative at all. our "innovativeness" is just evolution of tools designed to solve our problems and cater to our needs. necessity is the mother of all inventions.
@rovrola And when I say "improve life" I don't mean putting a screen and a chip on every fucking thing. The point of technology shouldn't be to "pimp my planet"!
Your assumption is that everyone is blindly following a trend? That's a HUGE assumption; let me guess, you're used to making big leaps like this, you must be religious, lol.
Really??? Its a documentary showing examples of a few tests to make it interesting for people to watch. There's more studies they've done, you act as though this is the complete study, whether agreed or not this wasn't made to convince scientists but the average person who would likely stop watching if all it was test after test after test etc...you are half assed for making a conclusion based on a documentary?
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Lol
This experiment might as well have showed how religions developed! Blindly following what was taught, even though the person MIGHT see that it's absolutely pointless!
Seems to me that evolution is still taking place on within our species. More and more people are starting to ask questions and not simply follow what they have been taught from their childhood!
To follow is a good thing to a point, especially for young kids, and it does keep order. But BLIND following is counterproductive!
wait, are you serious?
2:40 even though she can see that her actions are pointless, she sticks faithfully to what she has learned.
This is why Muslims pray 5 times a day.
i find it sad that how people are raised to belive in "god" because children do what they are told and belive what they are told and "god" is what they have learnt without any evidence at all. all what they belive in is what there perants told them was right. so when you think about it its very sad
@3xAwesome3x ide do all the steps to but simply bcuz of what u said as well they could have put some sort of sensor dat made the box collapse or lock if i didnt tap it i too rather get it 100% right than risk fuckin it up now if they would have told me to get it the fastest way possible than that would have been a different story =)
Now we know why humans still copy to believe in a god even that we by now and all our knowledge should be able to think ourself and work out our own solution that there most likely is NONE!
I'm religious? That's rich. However your arrogant. And that is not an assumption. And if people didn't follow trends, the word trend wouldn't exist. And guessing that im religious is an assumption, and a bad one.
@VanillaSugar121 Or on the other side of the coin, once we're mature, there's limitless potential for destruction and belittlement of society ;)
lol @ the narrator unnnecessarily pointing out that it isn't just children in africa that fail the see-through box test
@Themius719 Technically, you're right. We can't prove there is NO god. However, we can know that, for example, the Christian god is not real. But even after we discuss all the evidence, Christians will ail believe just as that girl kept performing the ritual even after the box was made transparent.
@hendrix5045
Your comment reminds me of how foolish people could be.
@hendrix5045
How does my comment show that I "haven't thought about how homo sapiens came to be on earth"? I'm agnostic. At least that's the view I stand on currently is that homo sapiens are here as the result of a designer.
It's preposterous to believe that full blown bio-organisms could form out of thin air. Not evolution I know, but, the theory leans on this factor. Not to mention the many chicken or the egg scenarios the TOE encounters when it comes to the evolution of certain organisms.
@hendrix5045
Again you've just shown how foolish people could become. I do not believe in a sky God nor do I believe in evolution for that matter. Because I do not believe in evolution, I have to be religious right?