Start of Powercreep? | Honkai: Star Rail 2.0 Prydwen Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- My reaction to Gacha Smack's opinion on the NEW Prydwen 2.0 Tier List.
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00:00 Intro
01:18 Start of tier list
01:42 Sustain
02:04 Fu Xuan vs HuoHuo
05:09 Bailu
06:40 Lynx vs Bailu
08:48 Gepard
09:47 March & Natasha
10:56 Amplifiers
10:59 Gachasmack was right
11:59 Bronya vs Ruan Mei
15:19 Tingyun vs Bronya
19:37 Silverwolf is overrated
22:41 Hanya
23:11 Yukong
24:10 Asta
24:25 Pela
24:41 Hanya C tier
25:02 My rankings
26:58 Specialists
28:30 Black Swan & Kafka
30:59 Topaz
33:21 Luka
34:58 Xueyi
35:12 Qingque
38:47 Welt
42:17 Fire MC
44:20 Qingque & Imbibitor with Sparkle
48:02 Jing Yuan & Argenti
50:45 Seele
53:37 Blade
54:22 Clara & Jing Yuan
55:55 Dan Heng
57:57 Arlan
58:37 Yanqing
01:01:29 Outro
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Black swan living in my head rent free. Loved the reaction brother. The mic was $400-500, mixer was $500, cloud lift $150, dlr cables was $100, plus tax lol that shit was wild cause I thought it was a usb plug in 💀
bro had the milk on his mind
You gotta show this man how broken Qingque actually is Smack.
The $1500 is the biggest L 🗣️💀
I was laughing too hard
So the best Team is Jingliu, Kafka, Ruan Mei and Fu Xuan bc they’re on the top of the list, got it.
ironically that team wouldnt be that bad xD
Just tried it lol finished in 4 cycles. Kafka didnt really do anything I think she should be C tier she doesnt feel like s+
@@Somethingaboutanother1537kafka is indeed probably a c tier unit for a jingliu team el oh el
Yea if kafka stand alone in the team she is C tier same with other 😂😂@@Somethingaboutanother1537
Kafka is good at what shes supposed to do. You can really run her in other teams cause of that@@Somethingaboutanother1537
Bro's neutrality has a panic attack every time QQ enters the room.
It was normal for seele simp
As a qingque player I agree with gatcha smack however I believe sparkle will make her a lot more consistent since you wont have to worry about qingque accidentally drawing 4 of a kind after she gets her turn
@@noice9193
The main thing QQ struggles with is having too many tiles. Her damage comes from rerolling. All competent QQ teams can get QQ to enhanced basic on like 98% of turns. But the issue is how many of those times she can actually roll 3-4 times or trigger e4 to get good damage (which is like, 40% of the time)
We don’t really care about the 2% of the time when QQ eats all the skill points. We care about the 60% of the time where she gets her tiles too early. THAT is the thing sparkle needs to fix to make QQ consistent. And we dont know if that will happen
@@zaxtonhong3958 yeah I’m saying that since sparkle action advances qingque she will be more likely to roll 3-4 times since she isn’t getting her turn last on the team
@@onakapanpan-wj4ii True lol. Can't accept that QQ is better so has to cope and make excuses.
Fu Swan
Black Xuan
tongue twister
Oh fuck xuan and swan are pronounced the same 😂
@@kyoukaiten3834 schwan / swan, close enough to be a tongue twister but not the same.
l,0
@@bjornnilsson2941closer to Shuen not Schwan
8:15 clearly MrPokke never had his Jingliu controlled by Kafka without a cleanser on his team. One single transmigration state attack will kill any ally lol
This. Tho then again, even if jingliu is quite good off element, when there is a side weak to ice, u would prioritize her there. However, i did experience Jingliu getting controlled (its a run when i was using Luocha as sustain) she just deleted my Bronya from full hp
I'm not a hard-core player, I just clear MoC as I can. But I'e basically never run into a floor that CAN be done with Jingliu that takes long enough for a timed CC to kick in.
That sounds awesome!
Just use bronya
@@walpurgisnight7 MoC Kafka isn't timed, she just does it immediately on one character when her turn comes up. Even a 0 cycle doesn't kill her before she acts.
Bro getting stunlocked by Qingque is so funny.
Hanya can enable a 0 speed dps to always act 4 times in the first cycle of wave 2 when paired with 137 Spd Eagle/Vonwacq Bronya. It’s a small niche, but it does exist.
she also enables double dance dance dance comps which is cracked. She also gives more sp than sparkle .
@@aliounethiaw1443 What's the setup and preferred speeds? I've started rocking double DDD (S5 + S4) and will likely end up with a E6 Hanya after the sparkle banner.
@@Mari-yl4pe you basically need 168sp on both (you can reduce it with double 4pMessenger, and tingyun can use her trace to gain 20% speed)
I too am a bit worried about powercreep but it's pretty tough to definitely say as it is so intrinsically linked to new character archetypes coming out and others filling in niches. Without saying too much I think we can look to Sparkle and what she offers over Bronya as a good example of what powercreep may be present for the foreseeable future. From my understanding, she settles into her own teams while only stealing the spotlight from Bronya in a few scenarios. This seems pretty positive and healthy.
Edit: This is a genshin thread now :)
Absolutely yeah. Sparkle only advances action by 50%, but gives a lot of crit damage buff as well as a being a lot more SP friendly than bronya.
As long as they keep characters from becoming "this one but better" like yelan and xingqiu, there will be no "power creep" in terms of damage, which is really healthy and good.
@@Boogy17bruh yelan was never better than xinqiou wholly, her damage is much better, but xinqiou hydro application and 40%dmg reduction plus still solid damage was what keept him arguably better in many scenarios, especially with only 1 hydro.
Yelan scines in teams where hydro app or tabkiness is not needed to clear
@@Boogy17 Yelan doesn't powercreep Xingqiu. Sparkle does powercreep Hanya tho, but 4* vs 5*, so this should be expected. I'm much more worried about Dr Ratio vs Acheron, personally
@@kwayke9 Dr Ratio is a purely single target aside from passive changing target if og target dies, Acheron "supposedly" plays like a destruction unit. How does Acheron's release only affect him?
@@j0obn255Xinqiu is objectively better st hydro application and comfort as he kot onky offer some heal but also big damage cut.
I've done most MoC 10's and 12's with Gepard as solo sustain on one side, even pairing him with Jingliu draining my teams HP, as long as you can build him well enough to get his shield back up before it drops I think he deserves more credit on the tier list
I think that what mr pokke failed to consider is that with his sig lc(or landaus) Gepard has 500% more aggro(300 from trace, 200 from lc) . I personally run a slow Gepard with a ton of effect res(Not really by choice bcs the speed boots wont fuckin drop), and he can def carry his team to the promised land as a solo sustain.
He’s ez to build mines great, problem is sometimes u gotta waste a skill point to get that shield back up or if he gets CCd it can get risky
Gepard is still a monster even in MoC 12. Whoever put him in that tier list probably just dusted him off and used whatever they had on him since 1.0 lol. People who are worried about Jingliu's health drain in a Gepard team is just overthinking it because you have more problems to worry about if she could drain your team's health completely and the enemy is still not dead.
@@asin1890 i personally dont recommend a slow gepard especially with jingliu and bronya because jingliu is often shieldless as she can refresh her turns
@@ScientistA yeah I plan to retool him on the future. esp when I get bronya, I may be able to lower my effect res and focus on a speedier gepard. but for now, he atleast has 60% eres and an ER rope
I'd like to see this same analysis combining both MoC and Pure Fiction tier lists, because they are different. There is a lot of discussion by both of you that seems it would be more relevant to an overall combined tier list, as opposed to JUST going by looking at Pryd's MoC only tier list. Lots of characters move around in tiers a TON between the two lists (Argenti and Herta are together in S+, Himeko alone in S, Dr. Ratio dropping all the way down to C for example,).
On paper qingque probably looks pretty rng to use, but in practice I feel its quite consistent getting 4 of a kind from 2-3 skills, even without the autarky she already deals quite a lot of damage, let alone with autarky..
Also outside MoC, like farming SU every week, I have a quicker run with her than dan heng IL...
I run hanya with argenti, ruan mei and huohuo(e0) and I'm really happy i have her. she allows me to always do everything, so comf.
sure as hell won't 0c with this team but clearing content is really easy
also xueyi is nuts. she consistently outperforms my seele with the same gear
Cleanse is good because a CC on ally is a dead ally for 1 turn. If bronya is broken because of +1 turn, then cleanse is also broken because it is a +1 turn.
I started around the very beginning of the ruan mai banner. Basically, 1 day before the Argenti banner ended, sw was there too. All my friends went for Blade. i picked ruan for my first limited 5*, i can say without a single doubt worth it 💯
Regardless of what praises people speak of Bailu, as a Bailu owner she literally lost usage the second I got FX and Luocha. And heavily disagree with the statement about cleanse not being important. If that’s the case I better not see you use any cleanse units or cc-prevention unit like FX. As for the point that this MoC being an exception for needing cc resist or cleanse, it’s clear that they’re gonna only make even more forms of debuffs that would only make Bailu worse over time. Lynx is more future proof this way
I just wanna see what's really gonna happen once sparkle is online uff Daniel about to pop off even more
Daniel mains are eating good once she's out. More sp for the entire team, then her talent gives dmg increase with each sp usage by an ally.
Can't wait to use her with QQ too
your conclusion is right, tierlist seems decent, you guys try to 0 cycle for content but thats not the aggregate player base. after we dogged on Herta and now everyone says to built her I take tierlists less seriously. HSR can force units to be better
Exactly, powercreep really does seem to be less and less of a deal. I would even say that the game is only going to be easier as more and more characters and relic pieces are released.
The reason herta is being built now is due to pure fiction, if that didn't get added, no one would build her
@@roky7772which is what he means how HSR can make any unit to a C tier char to A depending on what they add
@Drackmg1 not really, basically no scenario where yanqing, Natasha, Arlan, etc are are actually "good"
Tier list don't take into account how new game mode can be added in the future (and to be honest they shouldn't) so out of a lot of reasons to not trust tier list that's really not one of it.
I've been watching your videos recently!
Really fun stuff!
Hanya is underrated tbh. For any team that's sp heavy, she's a lifesaver. She makes DHIL teams SO much nicer to play, and also gives a nice dmg and speed boost. I'm considering skipping Sparkle since my E4 Hanya does a good enough job for me (Plus I wanna save for Acheron).
The issue with Hanya is that what she provides via Burden's SP refund can be achieved through smarter speed tuning across your whole team. Slower, stronger DPS. Faster supports with maximum ult uptime. D3 Tingyun fills the same role plus being the energy battery, for example.
Not to mention that Hanya's competing with every other atk/dmg buffing unit in that slot. At that point, unless your only other options are also of 4* caliber, the opportunity cost of her SPD buff is pretty low. Breakpoints, yes, but you can do that artificially through other units.
On the topic of DHIL, I just don't have the image of him lv3 enhanced attacking every turn. His BIS Yukong doesn't skill every turn, so why should he? Maybe that's just me, but I've never really found myself hurting for SP with those two.
@@Yenrei Eh... not everything is about playing the BiS unit lol. My typical DHIL team is him with Fu Xuan, Hanya, and Ruan Mei. With Yukong it was annoying to play around ber buffs and had quite a few turns where I was low on sp. With this set-up I can lv3 attack pretty much every turn and rarely have to worry about sp.
So basically you're saying "If everyone on your team is perfect, you don't need Hanya". I mean, duh? You can replace pretty much any character with a better built team if you really wanted to. The whole point is that she makes things a lot easier. Plus even if your team is perfectly tuned, those extra sp points are still useful
Also you can argue that Tingyun is better than pretty much every support, so that's kind of a pointless argument? Not saying Hanya is a god, Judy that she's better than people think she is. Imo this tierlist ranks her pretty well
@@kushj9568Tbh, i don't see the point of Hanya ngl her SP "regen" is only equivalent to +1 from auto attack because she has to spend 1 SP to get in the first place, which can be achieved by any SP positive unit like Pela or Tingyun. also, her buff is next to nothing in term of value especially in Dhil team where he need massive buff to go all in, not some speed and atk% that pretty much wasted on him and making a fight longer than necessary. but to each their own I guess.
@@mrdeafter Tbh, you won't really get why she's good unless you actually play her in an sp heavy team. As a reminder, I'm not claiming she's better than Tingyun, so making that comparison is pointless. Mathematically she might just have +1 sp vs auto attacks, but in actual play it's not that simple. With Hanya you're getting that +1 sp pretty much every turn, where with other sp positive units you won't be getting that on the turns they need their skills. Second, anyone can proc the extra skill points with any ability that damages the enemy, giving you a lot more flexibility with how you play. It lets you spread out the sp gain allowing for your other supports to play more reactively.
Also, DHIL isn't a burst dps lol, he doesn't need 'big buffs'. You ideally want to play him as a consistent dps doing lv3 attacks every turn, hence why Hanya's sp regen is important. Both her ultimate and burden are also effective for quite a while, helping him dish out damage consistently.
Saying that her atk% buffs on DHIL are wasted is just plain ignorant. DHIL gives himself dmg% bonus from his talent, and if you really want to min max you can adjust his build optimize for her atk% buff.
Plus, speed is one of the best stats in the game? And with how long her ult lasts and how quickly she gains energy, you don't need an energy lc on her. I run her with Dance dance dance and she essentially speeds up the whole party.
Not saying she's the best support but she definitely is underrated.
...mostly by people who don't know how to play her or haven't even tried yet, but to each their own I guess
@@mrdeafterin previous moc with physical weakness, hanya carried my ass in mono quantum, I always seemed to lack SP in that team since I tried to brute force it with mono quantum and seele doesn't help with the amount of SP usage, struggled a bunch until I switched out TY with hanya, instantly cleared it with 3 cycles with everyone still healthy, hanya is absurd with the amount of bullshit she provides
Black Swan is the best sustainer that pairs very well with crit dps 👍
Imo, I think dhil and sparkle will definitely be something to look out for. In terms of dps, sparkle covers dhil’s main sp problem so that he can 3 turn with proper efficiency. Jingliu + bronya is gonna have some competition, just saying
True, tierlists are a great discussion starters as it's impossible to make 100% objective tierlist for a game like this unless you maybe make a tierlists that's straight up a bible length and has every character ranked in every scenario separately but aint nobody going to do that shit
Lmao Every time GachaSmack mentions Qingque, Pokke recoils
Would love to hear your take on the team tier lists as well
lil bro has a grudge for QQ 💀
It's because Kingque is basically immune to powercreep.
The only thing that "counter" her is Sam in the boss fight (the SP consumption mechanic)
@@Gheniel_ I love QQ, but DHIL is an upgraded QQ. She was already powercreeped.
@@exu7325 well if you don't have Seele, your only option for a Quantum dps right now is QQ and Xueyi
@@exu7325
- QQ needs less investment
- DHIL is not free
- he is not quantum element
- we already have free Ratio
@@skyreaper1994That's exactly my situation now. Those 2 are my only quantum dps but sadly none of them are E4 yet, soo i'm not sure if should build them or not as of now.
Hey, MrPokke, great vid! Could you upload the highlights of you playing through Penacony story? I'd love to see your reactions!
I think March 7th's role is now even more niche with the inclusion of Misha and yes i know, Jingliu existed, but i didnt get her like in a single pull at all like Tectone. Misha was very valuable for me as 'he' not only consistently does more Freezing with his traces, but he also can stack AOE Ice Damage on enemies that is able to be frozen like Ebon Deer and even the Swarm King is a walk in the park even with a not so greatly built Misha. Since he only needs 100 energy you can even sometimes don't require HuoHuo or Tingyun as he probably gains energy fast enough with ERR rope or just by him getting hit as a Destruction aggro character or just him AOEing the enemy and by the time the Ultimate is up, you definitely have more than 5 Ult hits anyways and AOE freeze to stall more with Ruan Mei.
Ruan Mei is the best character in the game, I fully believe that. It's GENUINELY crazy how busted that woman is. Speed buff, dmg buff, res penetration, weakness break efficiency, does extra damage when allies break the enemy, action delay, who decided to put all of that in one character.
Don't forget free Genius set at E1 lol
Ruan Mei makes my life easier she turns a slog that is my weekly simulated universe runs and marks them take even less time by breaking everything even the bosses leaving them at half health
@@inuclearpickle8628I was waiting for someone to comment this. Screw all the other insane shit she does, SU farming actually not being a pain is so huge for us world 7 slaves. But yeah imo if your account already has two dps characters and 2 sustains ready she is insane value and the next best thing, heck even before she is still nuts. Idk why they decided to bake so much into her kit its actually crazy. Even her eidolons are disgusting.
@@Radiant450 yeah I have her at E1 as I thought it would be nice for my Kafka team. With her and black swan it made it possible for me to run the harder content in the game comfortably
sparkle is taking away that title..
i’m expecting the same to happen to topaz if kafka gets bumped to s+
When will black swan be in tier list?
Also imo your tier list is easily the best I’ve seen, but I still do not know if you only consider current moc/PF environment or rank units in a vacuum?
i have a feeling in the future they will implement an endgame mode like moc and pf but single target, so characters like dr ratio and topaz will be meta in that mode
Both of them are already great in MoC, I don't see why they'd make a game mode exclusively for hunt characters
Even now hunt dps are the best against 1 half of MoC. Ebon deer
I completely agree about Seele.
For mintpickers who Have E0 Seele with mediocre relics, she'll perform horribly.
But if you have the first couple of Eidolons, and a cracked set of relics, she's still completely broken.
Seele's eidolons are not good lol, they're among the worst limited eidolons in the game and don't improve her much
@@27Ganon Her Eidolons aren't that bad. E1 was good when I wasn't as geared, but paired with Fu Xuan, my Seele now has a base 100% crit rate.
E2 is an extra 30 speed, which puts my fully buffed Seele at 220+... while using ATK% boots.
E4 helps a lot for recharging her ultimate, as it gives 15 energy whenever you kill anything, and she kills a lot of adds.
Are they as broken as DHIL E2? No, nothing is. But they do help her spam turns.
@@malificajones7674just use E2 Bronya. You don't even need E2 Seele. E2 Bronya gives like 30% speed.
@@myst7383 Or just use both?
When you hit 200 speed, that gives 3 actions in the first cycle, then 2 every following cycle.
As someone who has played Topaz since release, most people don't realize her true value. It's not damage or even the buffs. It's the trigger. I noticed it with Ratio. She forces him to drop all his ult FuA instantly . With more FuA units like aventurine, more people will realize It's similar effect to Kafka force detonation..Numby forces a dominio effect
Lil bro said "hsr start powercreep" lmao hsr did that already several patches ago
Only for sustain really, and maybe the ruan mei - asta interaction, though in the current pure fiction I did clear better with asta's speed buff instead of ruan mei so still a bit debatable.
@@ch1dd AIN'T NO WAY LIL BRO FORGOT ABT Jingliu 💀
@@hem1525 more like disregarded yanqing, it ain't all that
People say that Yanqing was done dirty being powercrept by Jingliu, but people need to remember Yanqing is about 8-14 years old, and Jingliu is his master’s master. Not to mention he’s in the standard banner and as a hunt character.
@@-Insert-Name_Here- They also forgot that Yanqing was never that good, some ppl just had fond memories of him because he was their only DPS back then
Can't wait to see a 3 hr video of a reaction video to a reaction reaction video.
They honestly should've put sw in the specialist category (break wolf, crit wolf, hyperspeed wolf especially at e1).
This is a very neutral reaction
I have bronya and ruan mei but when i get sparkle im gonna have to sub ruan mei out for sparkle. E2 imbibitor with these two supports will just be insane.
Really enjoyed Hanya in my Argenti team, until I got Ruan Mei. Still use Hanya if enemies are weak to Physical & immune to Ice, but Mei is more use for her precombat technique in addition to being best on my account ( I don’t have Bronya- super glad Mei came to me!)
My only issue with bailu is her heal is RNG, ive legit had her hit my hurt unit once and 4 tap a full health one
What ill say about Bailu vs. Lynx. Its not even about Cleansing CC because poping a Lynx ult to cleanse 1 or 2 ppl while at near full hp tends to be a waste not to mention if she gets CC'd that makes the ult useless however i think Lynx is better when you need to cleanse team wide DoTs from the team and outside of that i think Bailu is better because of the revive but more importantly the dmg mitigation from invigorate and that just being useful more often than Lynx cleanse.
40:20 thats where hanya comes in.I ran dr ratio welt luocha and hanya for moc12 kafka and i had literally ZERO skill point issues.I had so many E's to use to the point that kafka couldnt even get a turn in 3 CYCLES
36:20 the qingque disrespect, might cancel mrpokke now 💀
Mr. PoQQe needs to believe!
I think hanya should be built with break effect to get the most out of her as a unit. The only stat she actually needs for her kit is speed and she can take defensive main stacks on her chest and ornament so you can actually sink a decent amount of substats into break effect. Shes probably not an easy character to coordinate breaks with because she doesnt have a damaging ult but she skills pretty much every turn so at least she does some pretty considerable ST toughness damage throughout a battle while still generating a net positive sp contribution. If your dps isnt fishing for the weakness break for themselves having a support that can do a savage amount of break damage isnt a bad thing to have; she is physical element afterall.
That being said i do agree that she probably needs to drop down a rank when compared to Asta or Pela.
I personally use Hanya with Sushang to turn Sushang into am sp neutral/sp positive unit. She shines on Hypercarry comps. Hanya's advantage over Asta is she offers damage % buff and is sp positive in all situation (Asta is only guaranteed to be sp positive at fire weak enemies)
And specially with a unit like Sushang who has an innate attack buffing capability in her ult + boxing relic set giving more attack, having a damage % buff to balance stuff out is kinda nice. It's also nice that the 40% damage buff from Hanya is somewhat teamwide.
You got me to pick back Seele back up.
Silver Wolf is such a tough one to rank. Because in my mind their are too many variables (like are you e2 or no? New Debuff set vs Quantum set? Are you using her as a pure debuff, a sub-dps or even a break unit? etc.) and also no one's really retro actively looking at her and testing her viability much either. Like for example, SWolf in a Dr Ratio comp is amazing. Dr Ratio, SWolf, Topaz and Fu Xuan comp, great team comp regardless of what build and what eidolons you have on SWolf. Pick one target, erase it, great for a lot of MoC bosses and because of SWolf even if those more solo oriented bosses don't have the applicable weaknesses, they do now. You can also build her in a Quantum-centric break team with Xueyi and Fu Xuan as another option.
The other thing as I mentioned before is, people don't really care much about SWolf these days. No ones really testing if the new debuff set (which I know everyone will say, well that's a doctor ratio set) is a net buff for her. I mean if you have her lightcone she can literally apply I think 5 debuff's in total herself. Perfect for obtaining the new sets buffs, if you're an e2 sub dps SWolf why wouldn't you go for it and be able to add things like more speed or even more attack because the new set will passively get you about 8% more crit rate and even more crit dmg you know? If used in the team stated above with Fu you'd get like 20% crit rate for free with 4 piece set bonus and Fu buff. That set may even open up the option to play Sub Dps SWolf to people without e2 because they wont have to find as much crit stats. Prydwen, where this tier list is from doesn't even list the new set in any of the 3 SWolf builds, e0 break effect, e0 - e1 debuffer or the e2+ Subdps debuffer build so until some one tries it we wont know. So those are the pro's.
The con's are mainly found in this concept of "universal usability" which means she's dead useless to pure fiction and even some of the more add spam MoC bosses. I can agree with the S purely because she is still S teir at her debuffing job with the single highest nerfs of any character. But I can also see why some people say A because she only puts those debuffs on a single character at a time and she definitely wont ever be S+ again because her job is becoming less relevant in the face of the newer enemies they are starting to release but also for a more subtle reason... We simply have more DPS options now. Before it was really important to be able to use your best god tier units in scenario's outside of their element because their wasn't a character in the applicable element that could get the job done anywhere near as well. But now those elements that lacked strong options when she released have the some of the strongest dps in the game. In particular Ice and Imaginary were particularly weak when she initially released. Ice now has Jingliu, the single best hypercarry in the game at this point where as before they had, Yangqing. Imaginary went from Welt being their best dps when SWolf released to having both Dr Ratio and DHIL. The latter of which is arguably only bested by Jingliu because she does the same damage for less cost. Fire is really the only element in the game now without a strong solo dps but most of the fire weak enemies are built around the strengths of fire units and are AoE type enemies that you can take a Himeko Topaz combo to crush and have Topaz focus the boss and buff Himeko as she handles the adds. All of that effects the assessment for the use of SWolf and is the biggest "hidden nerf" to SWolf in my opinion. Thanks for attending my TedTALK if you hung around till the end XD
One thing with TY vs Bronya thing in a 0-cycle setup, they are the same when it comes to SP economy, i use TY skill all the time or skill basic skill and bronya uses basic skill skill and her ult with Signature LC gives another, and also TY it's not that universal she is for ATK scaling characters, and dance dance dance is really what makes TY great
My dps is Sw e6 alright? I will never stop using her!
25:02 for F2P accounts or new players Hanya is really good. Especially if you don’t have Ruan Mei. I use her a lot on the accounts without Ruan Mei and with Dr Ratio/Welt teams because of the skill points. Sparkle is a solid skip this patch too for a lot of players because if you’re not running mono quantum I don’t see the point. Hanya generates more than enough skill points so I feel like if you have Bronya you don’t need sparkle. Acheron is around the corner too so she’s someone I think dolphins can wait before grabbing. Too many good units coming out
huohuo might better slot into every team and super good in moc but fu xuan just make sim uni stuff like gold and gears and sd much much easier imo
I want someone to make an edit of smack's video but change out every character name with him saying 'Black Swan'
bros getting a heart attack everytime QQ appears
18:35 I don’t even use silverwolf anymore unless it’s with Seele or QQ….and I don’t feel that it is worth it. I agree with you 1000%. She is niche like Wukong where you only use her with Quantum units. I support you Pokke, even when I don’t agree because these are quality takes
sparkle's trace gonna make mr pokke take his words for SW
hyper carry QQ is real
@@goodgrindne Definitely. She’s outperforming Seele right now imo. Bronya already makes her good but Sparkle definitely going to be OP for QQ
I dont know if thats only due to having an E6 Natasha vs an E1 lynx, but in my experience lynx is always having me feel like shes just not doing enough and my team will die regardless, while natasha feels much better at keeping my team healed and herself safe as well, plus i find myself having to waste sp with natasha much less than on lynx. Ive tried both with the same (scuffed) relics and natasha talents are a bit more leveled... still doesnt feel like it should have such an impact
Man, I’m so confused about DHIL right now. Like I understand Sparkle will be good for my account without him anyway, but I don’t wanna have fomo when people ll start doing crazy shit with those two units. Idk, as a low spender I’m really don’t know is it such a big thing to have them both
Hey I was wondering how is jing yuan overall? Does he have potential if I feed him super good gear?
MrPokke you're so dreamy 🤩
Hanya is on my team with Argenti and she's doing well, very well actually and F the list because that's going to change more times than most gamers change their bed sheets.
The beef with QQ is personal at this point for @Mr.Pokke 😂😂
Damn didn't know HSR released Fu Swan and Black Xuan.
Kafka, BS,RM, and Geopard got me to conundrum 12....my geopards is terrible.
I main qingque, but i get it, the rng layers needed for her to do good damage brings her down on the list, I still find her fun though. Just hoping for a 5 star quantum erudition/destruction to come around so i can have even more fun mono quantum options.
Also a qingque main here I’m thinking when sparkle releases she might make qingque more consistent as advancing qingque to move 2nd guarantees she won’t match 4 of a kind before her turns starts making it more likely you will need to roll thus increasing your chance at getting autarky
@@noice9193 oh yeah that's true I'm really looking forward to getting her. I already lost the 50/50 ao i am guaranteed to get her. Hope i can make her
Hayna is really really really good in pure fiction! with no sustain teams with her you can spam skills with everyone as much as you want and it feels really good
The fun when playing qingque was to go crazy about that full RNG 😂
It's important to note when you said you'd put silver wolf in B tier for pure fiction, they have her in D tier there lmao. That tier list is based purely on Memory of Chaos not factoring in any of the other content in the game, they also have another tier list for Pure fiction. They don't have a general tier list for how good a character is universally through content, they just focus on those 2 modes.
Loved your point with the Bailu/Lynx/Gepard comments. I get so annoyed with Gepard because the RNG in my experience is just awful, HE NEVER GETS HIT! I have him really well built and an ERR rope on him, but his Ult is never up because he never gets hit, and he's level 80 with his sig LC. Yes I'm sure statistically he still gets hit more than other characters, but it's not enough, I always have a support get killed with him as my sustainer, because the enemies only target them. Lynx does have the aoe cleanse, but it's tied to her ult, so she can only cleanse occasionally not consistently, so I still think Bailu is better than her, because Bailu is not only tanky af with a HUGE healing output, but she also adds HP and Damage Reduction, I can't even have Lynx (and yes, she is fully built and built well) solo sustain a level 5 NORMAL Simulated Universe run, unless I'm using my A++++ damage dealers and support, that kill anything before it takes a turn and at that point.. why is she there? But yes, I value Huohuo and Fu Xuan a lot more just simply because they "cleanse" better (I don't even use Loucha's cleanse actively because it's not worth the skill point) and they bring more than sustain. So I agree those 2 belong top tier for MoC/Pure Fiction, SIm Uni is a different animal, in that case FX 100% top tier, but I actually use Bailu still more than Huohuo in Sim Uni. But that isn't what this tier list is.
Im so happy that i skip silver wolf for Ruan Mei. Players kept saying the SW is better than RM, but I aint believin their sht
Considering how important DOT-based teams are at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we get a boss with a passive which just cleanses all of its (and its allies) DOTs which gets triggered by having a certain amount of DOTs.
Basically a boss which is specifically crafted to defeat DOT-based teams.
Power creep has been a thing but i don’t see a problem with it if older characters are still strong. My Kafka could clear moc 12 just fine without black swan and just using gnsw with a lvl 70 sampo, now with her sig and black swan she’s twice maybe Almost 3x as strong because I have bs e1 and sig but it’s not helping me get more jades its just clearing content faster
This. I've been doing MoC 10 30* since FX patch finally gave me a second solo-sustain, and MoC 12 36* since that started. Newer units are definitely stronger, but it doesn't actually matter because the difficulty creep is a lot slower than the power creep.
I think a major thing people forget about Sparkle is that her skill advances the chosen ally forward. This means that even if you use her in a team that'd usually be SP positive, you'd want to skill with her every turn for crit buff + action advance, and the action advance means the character you advance takes more turns, which means you're using more skill points, so it's actually hard to have a team where you're capped with skill points because you can just use them more often. This means there'll be almost no team where you have excess points, but at same time, she still helps teams that are SP negative with her SP regeneration.
This is why I think she'll actually be decent for Jingliu, the action advance could lead to her getting into enhanced state 1 cycle faster, and I think it's clear why that's so useful. I'm not saying she'll be BIS or anything, but with Jingliu you still won't cap in points because, again, you can just skill more and more often.
TLDR: Sparkle may not be BIS in too many teams, but she can help almost every single team before better than alternatives
people need to realize this is the tier list for the current moc and not a general tier list
I'm fine with SWE0 nothing beyond A minus. From E6S5 SW pov and rise of duo DPS, SW is S for me due to dmg + support potential.
36:19 even in this case she deals a lot of damage, like 40-50 K, and if stars allign it goes crazy
I love when someone is watching reaction of someone else watching reaction, history is always repeating itself
38:00 Facts!!! She is not only good but has build diversity. She has only gotten better with every patch. Very skill point positive and I was using her in place of Luka because she breaks wayyy faster than he does because she boosts her own speed and advances. I feel like the reviews on 4 star units are going to be bad because people prioritize 5 stars and HSR has Genshins problem of too many five stars but Sushang is actually good. If Xueyi is an A then Sushang should be there too. If you have a fully invested Sushang then you legit don’t have to pull for physical units. Her skill pops off 25-35K damage and she is SP positive. Her ultimate dmg is mid but that’s mostly a utlity to advance her action to attack again. If you put her on full auto then yeah she’s underwhelming but most characters are
I'll definitely start running my seele with sparkle and Fu Xuan if only because she'll be far less infuriating up build
I can say, every unit hv their own BiS ( their S+ team ) and the enemies mechanic. So S or S+ are based on the team they're put in. Just plug n play them n you're good 🎉
Definitely, all dps from A-S are roughly the same performance wise in their best teams
anyone has the 0c 2 member seele video? would love to watch
It's sad that she fell off, and I won't deny it, but I still use Silver Wolf. Not to mention I'll also plan to pull Fu Xuan in her rerun to get the mono quantum convenience.
The reason is, none of my DPS is reaching endgame content stats lol. Even with, really decent starting subs, my upgrade rolls just very unlucky lmao. In this case FX + SW band aid is very very convenient.
Just delete your account because it ruined to have sw. Start new with bs and Dr ratio is far better
@@hafidzmursyidi4429 It's not that ruined character wise. I have Blade, Jingliu, DHIL. Just focusing on them rn
@@hafidzmursyidi4429 Has to be sarcasm
Well yea the meta kinda everchanging every patch with new addition units etc. i would say there is powercreep albeit kinda vsries in speed, i wanna say slow but JL did outperform IL as best dps and she was released 1 patch after so yea.
Tho overtime old units become better with new support, relic, LC added into the game so its hard to say sometimes.
Also as long older characters can clear all contents then all good tbh. Even selee JY etc from 1.0 still performing well.
If Sparkle does not change that much it will be a big buff to quantum mono team changing Seele to S+
And some people still say that power creep doesn't exist in Honkai Star Rail.
Huohuo is so good I'm pretty much always benching FX and Luocha, granted that when you've been playing for long (day one in my case) sustains become kind of irrelevant in every content besides G&G and you start evaluating them for their amplifying/support aspect
Really? I always feel Houhou is underwhelming when I use her. Granted my Fu Xiang is built for damage so maybe that’s why 😂
Fu Xuan's extra Crit Rate skill > Everything else
do you run hp% boots on huohuo or speed
@@xenoemblem7 useless in DoT comps tho
@@notOrthross spd
From a new player perspective, I agree with the fact that element implant is overrated. It's comfort not mandatory.
I started the game 2 months ago and can brute force most of content with blade and Dr Ratio. Due to the fact I'm partially geared and still farming to max out level and traces, I can still die if I'm not fast enough to kill enemies though, but the more I progress, less often it happens.
If a character does dmg out of their turn then ruan mei and if they do dmg in their turn then bronya also adv 100%.
What is that thing on your hand?
Gacha Smack was right! All hail Ruan Mei supremacy!
As someone with exactly 75/150 Seele I agree with this man's cooking lol
Sparkle is only +1. It seems like people think she is going to giving you 12 extra sp per cycle.
Is dot comp the hyperbloom in hsr?
It's Nilou bloom, and just picked up Nahida upgrade (Black Swan).
Me watching this as someone who uses a team with Fire MC, Silver Wolf and Qingque 👁👄 👁
why is his mic like that my volume is like 5% and his still loud.
I don't like Gachasmack personallity but I really respect his opinions and how he place his arguments yet I'm more inclined to Mr Chokke arguments
Why don't you like it
@@fr3941 Gachasmack sometimes talk like an a-hole but i think that's who he is lol but i really like his guides for the game.
@@fr3941 just to be clear, not liking him doesn't mean I hate him, he's just annoying but sometimes fun
@@fr3941Hey not everyone has to like someone, right? personally I don't like Braxophone cause his humor is a bit too cringe for me, but I do sometimes look at his guides.
@@xenoemblem7 All I asked was why lmaoo..?
Hanya lets me spam Clara's E while also giving me a way to play mono-physical, a team I and only I care about
Hanya is S++++ tier
As cliche as it sounds the 'meta' is evolving. Its not as straightforward as it was in 1.0 when characters fit cookie cutter archetypes of tank, healer, support. More and more new units are starting to fill multiple roles as well as new niches getting introduced (like hanyas sp generation ). As well as new content being released that are tailored for certain units (erudition for pf).
The only powercreep that really exists are the units that only do 1 thing/role will start getting phased out to a new character that can be a tank AND a buffer . Or a healer that CAN buff. Does that mean that older character is inherently bad? Not neccessarily as long as they do that 1 thing well enough ... and if they don't thats when they get replaced.
Regarding Bronya vs Sparkle debate, it truly depends on the players roster and playstyle. As much as i hate giving the "it dependsTM" advice, that is how it's gonna be.
Yeah, I never felt RM replaced Bronya, but it just depends on who you like to use, I like IL Dan better than Jingliu, so I use Tingyun more than Bronya... But none of that means one or the other is "better". Heck just for giggles, I did all of the Pentacony stuff with Physical MC as a hyper carry with RM, Bronya and HuoHuo, and with that team any DPS does well, she hit for 150k on the elite mobs with her ult! Though.. she'd fail to crit and sometimes hit for 9k but.. eh.
I was gaslit into warping for silverwolf by gachasmack and mr pokee 😢
with how mr pokke is hating on QQ he is going to hate adventurine kit
The rng is visual effects except the A effect which gives an additional buff
nah rng is fine for sustain, what matters is whether his DPS can compete with Huohuo's buffs (probably not)
@@27Ganon
Shouldn't we compare him with Fu Xuan instead since they are both preservation?
I think people misstook qq damage with SM universe but she's a S+ MEME tier thou.😂