Character and person are seperate, i have played a racist alcoholic, a brick of a guy barbarian who liked nothing and no-one, a bisexual drama queen dude, and an openly straight extremely flirtatious barbarian woman. I'm a straight dude
yeah - no... today's "gamers"(read tourists) have zero ability to keep fact-from-fiction. They think Harry Potter is a bad person, because the author has this-or-that view. it's pathetic.
Starting to talk about MATH cap, Reaganomics and trickle-down economics etc. was done by OTHER members of the group deliberately bringing RL politics in the game. Those are concepts from our world. Someone saying that their character does not want to pay tax from the loot they earned is inherently not political. That is common stance to e.g. any thief archetype who is about individuality, personal morals and not following law (or else they would not be thieves in the first place if they respected laws and rules). E.g. DnD's chaotic character alignment is pretty much about THAT, opposite to lawful alignment which is about following laws and rules. Other systems might not use that kind of moral system but players usually inherently take their positions in similar matris. Yes, one CAN turn anything political like rest of the group seemed to do here while hypocritically breaking their own claimed rules. If I say my character does not want to pay some tax or fee or such, and other person starts bringing in political terminology from our reality because they think my stance is based on this or that theory or that some political figure said similar sounding thing, then it's THEY who made the issue about politics. This was obviously told from very one sided perspective and while Ronnie sounded annoying person with his "where are all the ladies, I am such a stud, look at me), ALL the people taking stances looked like pricks. Based on this narration it was not Ronnie who was constantly turning things political, despite this clearly being very unfavorable towards him.
Yeah this party was guilty of being passive aggressive and trying to antagonize this player once they realized their politics didn’t mesh. I feel like if this party discussed ahead of time what they wanted, they could have realized it was best to part ways and save the headaches a lot earlier. I wish more parties could just stick to a fun removed from reality style of gameplay, but everyone at the time wanted just their enforced.
"Okay fine. However, because fiends are living embodiments of evil, which includes sins like sloth and avarice, the demon in charge of the tiefling breeding project embezzled all the soul coins and half-assed the job."
Honestly the real answer to what is most effective just to make them both genders or the ability to shape shifting between the two. So basically the shapeshifting version of succubi and incubi.
Yeah, feels like they were ganging up on some dude because they caught wind that he didn't agree with their politics, and then they made up stories to dunk him on to strangers.
I’m betting Ronnie’s side of this story is wildly different. Just listening to the writer you can immediately pick out that this is a table full of political activists.
I'm not a table-top player (I actually decided to watch this video to learn something about it), but three things: 1. When you have politics in the story (yes, I'm not familiar with role-play but I'm familiar with fantasy and fiction and general), you shouldn't ask "Is this real-world politics?", you should ask "Does this politics fit the world of the story?". 2. If "there was no communication" that's on DM, not on the guy. Since he was flirting with ladies all over the place, it was obvious he would like to get a girl in the end. DM was either very inattentive or just decided to screw the guy over. 3. "Gay kings" were absolutely real-world politics, shoved in a module by current DnD management.
If you want to learn something about ttrpgs, the "horror story" hashtag is not the one. It is explicitly what not to do/ be/ act. Also, if you decide to play, try to play with people that you know, and avoid the situation with internet randos. That's how you get situations like this
I don't like politics in my games, that's why I draw inspiration from my favorite non political games like Fallout NV, Spec-Ops: The Line, Bioshock, Disco Elisium...
honestly ronnie is pretty based from the tax dodging. the second anyone tried taxing me in a fantasy setting that whole area is going up in flames. but ya honestly especially near the end you can tell that group was bitter and ronnie was cool, a solid reminder that you wont fit every group your in and if you dont like the dm you can always troll a little bit before just leaving and finding a new group you're a better fit in.
So the rogue was partly in the wrong. But the rest of the party was also responsible for the continued issues. And the DM clearly did not handle the situation correctly, from the start the dm should have stopped the session and talked it out with the players/ made a call and then enforce it, or done so after the game.
indeed, this whole thing sounds like an attempt to gain moral points on reddit because nobody tried to de-escalate the situation in the slightest. also, i don't care if "it's in the module" i'm rolling my eyes at the mention of the gay kings and you can't do anything to stop me -_-
@@capitanspoiler7393So glad I saw you and the other guys comments. Not only do I believe that this was fake, but if it WAS real the ronnie was ironically the most entertaining person
Look the whole Ronnie the Rogue going full Reagan at the end and all the shit of this story makes a lot of people to think is just fake so common sense is thrown out the window to not get in the way of this mental fart. I don't know if this is real or not but I've seen a lot of games and alphabet weirdos games are always a mess. They lack a total understanding of the need of hierarchy and authority so you will never see a GM doing shit or enforcing anything for the sake of the game or the group bc they don't have what is necessary and problems will always balloon out of control. They will only kick someone that is openly hostile to their deviancy otherwise you will see dragging along the most dysfunctional people for hours. And the worst part of it, if the DM and the majority of players are alphabet weirdos the game will always devolved into a creepy fetiche show and all of them will only seek to satisfy their onanistic urges... my advice is stay away from a group of creepy weirdos
@@egillskallagrimson5879 yeah, the first things i say in any session 0 is "no unnecessary game of thrones moments" and "no real life politics. there can BE politics in a game but if the big bad is Daniel Trumpet and his plan is to wall off his dimension so he can rule it as he pleases, then i'm out"
I get the sense that either this story is entirely made up, there are a lot of details being left out, or that the DM had a very poor judgment in who to end not to allow in his campaign. I’m airing more on the side of the story being entirely made up or not every detail being divulged, because I believe they had mentioned that it wasn’t going to get political while admitting that they were going to reference to people like Andrew Yang. Just as well, if the guy was already starting to see sexualities as political, someone should have told him about what was going to come up later and to inform him about it to let him judge for himself if it would be a good idea to remain or not. The biggest thing tipping me off towards my conclusion, as well as the fact that, for the epilogue, after having removed him, instead of just having a sigh of relief that they wouldn’t have to deal with him ever again, they dunk on his character with political references out the Wazo. I mean, are you serious? People who are supposedly so “non-confrontational“ that they would pedally insult things he did because he’s not there to say anything back? Good people don’t do that, and if you were bothered with him, making issues out of non-issues, he wouldn’t do things that would easily be considered as issues. If I had to go with this being fake, we’re not every detail being diverged, honestly, the guy had the name of “Ronnie“, after a reference to trickle down economics. I’m betting this is entirely fake.
Earnestly, thank you for this comment. My brain hurt trying to articulate how stupid this clearly made up story was. And even if it was real, Ronnie was legit ehtertaining.
Ronnie, as described, doesnt sound great. I really dont want to play with any of the other people involved though. Petty, vindictive, and passive-aggressive types that cant just be direct about their concerns, no matter how self-assured they are that theyre right.
We are simple people in our group... no romance. It just makes things simpler. Characters might have off screen romance with NPC's in downtime but it is never a focus.
Absolutely. I play to go dungeon crawling and have great adventures, not to explore someone's erotic fanfic. Honestly, I think people are way too open about their sexualities in general. Modesty is underrated. But maybe that's just me becoming an old person.
From what I've watched so far a few episodes of this guy it seems as if the only people that want romance in Dungeons and Dragons are complete losers that can't get any in real life
Got thrown out of a party 6ish years ago because I attempted to stop another party (female playing a male) member from RAPING A GOBLIN, we took as a prisoner as a form of interrogation. Apparently stopping a rape means I am a “racist, bigoted trump supporter” which is funny because the the guy that invited me and left with me was the only person that was not just black but the one that wasn’t white. Had another game that I was invited to by a now former female coworker where we were still meeting the other players characters in game and forming our party. Guy was in a tavern trying to hook up with the tavern keepers 9year old daughter and dm was encouraging it. Coworker got upset and said something about it before I did about how “you guys always do this crap” they guys thought I would go along with them and help bully my coworker into submission like they normally would do. Fun fact, I have 2 daughters the old was just about to turn 9 when this happened.
Idk man, while I agree Ronny was being a brat especially at the start, I felt like they kinda hanged up on him in the end, just feels like there was a way better way to resolve the issues at hand, didn’t want to side with him but it felt like a gang up…
@@ZenoDovahkiin Not anymore, apparently. Now gays are honorary biggots for not wanting to get it with people who want a different set of tools than they were born with.
In my experience people really only add non-hetero characters to signal their real life support for those sorts of relationships. But at the same time, these aren't actual characters because they're not written like actual human beings with flaws or biases. Instead they're pretty much always idealized versions of what ever group they represent. People don't come to dnd for a sermon, they come to have fun.
They're fetish idols, basically. And I say this as a bi guy. I don't make all my characters bi - they vary wildly because *THEY'RE CHARACTERS I'M PLAYING, NOT ME.*
Honestly, having played all flavors of people as a straight guy, my thought process is usually “new campaign. Never played a character who was into guys before. Guess might as well now.” Making the characters different from me also let’s me really get into the acting aspects of the roleplay since I can’t just think about things as myself.
It depends on the setting. Usually Tieflings are not always the result of a Demon/Devil/Daemon banged a humanoid. Sometimes it comes up where either your ancestor made a deal/pact, or binding an evil outsider and the essence taints the genetics a bit and one pops up generations later. Or during the formative years in a womb you were close to some evil outsider energies. Even though Tieflings are Outsiders with the native subtype, they retain cultural mannerisms, and thinking with upbringing. Some might have a slight pull towards an alignment based on their lineage in question. Still doesn't prevent them from being gay/Bi/etc.
I get what you're saying (sexuality/attraction isn't by definition political), but at the same time, I kinda get why the guy was annoyed. Not the players' faults, it's just that you hear about it _so much _*_ALL THE TIME_* that your mind can _jump_ to politics even when it's irrelevant. People should cultivate discernment and take a step back to evaluate the situation before getting upset, though.
It was political from the beginning, from both sides. Seems the political split in the US is too deep for both sides to enjoy a game of DnD. Also the thing with the chicks is somewhat disturbing.
Just said it in another comment but I got thrown out of a game about 6 years ago for trying to stop another player (female playing male) from raping a goblin we had captured as a form of interrogation. Got called a “racist, bigoted trump supporter” for it. Cherry on top was they were all white except for the dude that invited me to the group and left with me when I was kicked.
Well, I have never heard a straight guy talk about how great it is to be straight and that straight people deserve a parades, holidays, and a whole ass month to celebrrate the fact that they are straight. So, you know, when people start throing around accusations of making things political, I just think back to the last straight pride parade that wasn't protested to hell and back by the "tolerant" people who support all sexualities. If you didn't get the joke, that last one never happened.
You obviously missed the entire Super Straight episode because the entire thing lasted only a hot minute yet made a lot of people irrationally angry real fast.
@zecorezecron agreed we wouldn't feel like sexuallity was political if they weren't constantly making it political and shoving it in everyone's faces with stuff like pride month. I have gay friends and the company I keep doesn't support pride flags and parades they just literally want to be left alone with thier partners
Straight person constantly talking about their sexuality and bringing it in to everything is as obnoxious as any non-straight person doing exact same thing. Or you could replace sexuality with religion, or lack of if atheist would be constantly bringing up the subject. Or someone constantly turning things political while current topic or issue had nothing to do with politics. I think there is a pattern here. Naturally there are some moments when any of above might become relevant, but in real life scenarios extremely rare unless someone brings them up. Otherwise random cases like "Could you come to Sunday meeting? No I go to church at that time. Ok, we'll figure out something else." are most likely scenarios. E.g. in my current workplace I do not know anyone's political or religious leanings and sexuality I could assume from those few I know have wife/husbands.
Dude may not have handled things well, but he’s got a point. The family is the fundamental political unit, and it always involved gender difference until five minutes ago. Saying it’s even possible for two men to be married is a controversial political statement.
@@DargorV nope. Before “modern times” people would stick it wherever they wanted it not cause they were gay or bi or lesbian. We werent evolved enogh to have self control. Dont start spitting “facts” about Romans or other cultures, I am Italian, I’ve studied better than Americans, dont worry about it 😂 some of your countrymen (better, a man pretending to be a girl) said complete nonsense about I Galli that were romans priests and dressed/lived as women 😂😂😂😂 y’all need to sit down and stop taking history as a blank page. As far as politics: being queer IS political. Old LGB and the sane Ts are divorcing from the sh!t that’s been floating these past 20ish years. So, nope. Being gay, trns or queer is not something that’s always existed: it’s just people regressing to Neanderthal stage, chill liberal. Personally I am glad I had the chance to play dnd when it was still a SANE space. If I’ll ever try it again, as soon as someone mentions any queersh!t, I am out. Same if I am the DM: no queerz at my table.
I’ll take “things that probably never happened” for $500, Alex. If real, it’s a good example of what can happen when you don’t gatekeep your hobby to keep activist weirdos out. I’d rather play with Ronnie than any of the karens in this story.
@@Eric-cj8sb Representation only matters for really narcissistic people that can't empathise with other people. I'm basically never represented in any setting in fantasy or sci fi and I don't care. I want to become the character, I don't want the character to become like me.
@elibrainless90 You are full of absolute shit and privilege to say something like that. People would not take issue with LGBTQ and POC characters so badly if representation didn't matter. You all see a non white or non straight person and whine and cry. It because you views andndesires aren't being represented on screen. For most it's definitely a subconscious thing. Also have People that are like you in race or orientation makes it. Ore okay and normal to he those things. You are so full of shit if you truly think representation doesn't matter.
Well, I don't usually play a gay character (my character is straight but never actually flirts with character,and every time someone mistakes what my character does as flirting he always denies it) but it doesn't really matter since i mostly play for the "beat shit up" part,and romance is not the main focus My character is sometimes called "the unrizzable monk"
Is it *inherently* political? No, of course not and it most certainly doesn't have to be. That's just silly. It can be, but generally speaking it isn't. That being said though it can be kind of annoyingly transparent when literally EVERYONE is gay or bi, especially when they're really "in your face" and flamboyant about it. I mean it's not like I'd make a thing out of it either way, but personally I just find this to be kind of eye-rollingly obnoxious.
@@corberus3119 What about the gay kings? That makes no sense at all, because the king needs to marry to create offspring to carry on the royal bloodline, that's how kingdoms work. Only one pairing does that, and it's not 2 men.
tieflings are humans who were changed by the planar influence (it's like being a human, then experience some exposure to radiation and then you are something else) Tieflings are basically humans who were changed by "radiation".
I had a NPC that was meant to be the ultra cool nice guy leader for one of the human armies and one of the prime quest givers for the party. I described him as "Golden haired, somewhat sunworn skin, a few small scars and brown eyes" and everyone loved the character. He was a guy genuinely concerned about his country and hated all the constant bickering between nobles and the king causing problems for the peasant folk. He wanted to defuse tension with the neighboring kingdom and route out the problems being caused by assassins hired by nobles sent to off one another. Well everyone liked him except THAT player whom pretty quickly started saying "This is just Donald Trump. We obviously can't trust him." I had to just lean into it and start doing his voice as a Trump imitation and start sayin "We have to make this kingdom great again" annoying him until he finally left the campaign because he kept expecting a betrayal that never came. I kid you not at one point he said "It's only a matter of time if we keep helping this guy it's gonna be too late and he'll seize power and start putting all the elves and dwarves in concentration camps" So cringe.Trump2024.
Any game where another player starts to tell me that his character is bisexual is a no go. To each their own but I would stand up and say sorry guys this is not for me thanks for the invitation. Either that or I would say at session 0, no modern politics. Which includes lgbtq subjects. Sure others can say that they want them but that just shows that those are not the people that I want to play with. I don't care who these people want to have relations with outside the game but in game it hold no interest.
Genuinely, if it's that much of a big deal for you, bailing at session 0 is the right call. You're saving yourself and everyone around you a ton of grief.
@@TheStreamThatJakeBuilt I would say a good 80% of D&D games I've seen or been in have contained no sexual roleplay whatsoever but HAVE involved some kind of casual flirting with the barmaid/barman or some kind of relationships. Even if sometimes it's as abstracted as "I flirt with the cute waitress and that's my action in this tavern" it's _really_ common. You don't think it's better for everyone to say it up front before anybody gets invested, rather than dealing with someone having a freakout because the big beefy barbarian starts flirting with the barman instead of the barmaid? No agendas need apply, that's just practicality.
@@FiftyStates5 ah yes, incorporating elements of my own preferences and life experiences into my characters that I play breaks immersion ... For who? I'm ace, I play my fair share of "horny" bards in a way that makes sense for me as a person, I just play what I know baby.
As a conservative myself, I personally don't care to engage with the whole sexuality thing in my games. That being said, when I'm playing with other people that do, I'd rather everyone have fun and do what they want in-game, so long as it is in-character. My beliefs shouldn't ruin someone else's game.
Everyone in this story sounds like a terminally online political weirdo. Mind you, this story was from the perspective of an OP who was clearly trying to paint the other guy's views in a negative light, and yet he still came off as being equally cringe. So make of that what you will.
Ronnie didn't belong in this group... having said that, Ronnie definitely was more than just 'annoying'. If you sulk both in and out of character because you 'didn't get the girl' at the end of a campaign and get adamant about not following local laws just because it would cost you a cut of what you earned, that indicates to me that you're not interacting with stories in a healthy way. To me it just sounds like entitlement, and given this seems like it continued for the entire campaign I can see why the group ganged up on him.
@@the_tactician9858 _"get adamant about not following local laws just because it would cost you a cut of what you earned"_ As example in DnD there are alignment classes like lawful and chaotic so depending character it would be perfectly in character to be against rules and laws and e.g. systems like taxation. Lawful characters are all about law and order and chaotic are against those concepts. Game does not need to use actual DnD ruleset, this was just example how characters different moral and ethical perspectives generally work in background. IF it was actual role playing game it would be strange if every character should automatically agree over something just because it happens to be the "local law". Very obvious example, how about thief/rogue characters? Is thieving not usually punishable by local laws IF getting caught in most game settings? If we follow the logic that local laws should be respected as a house rule, thief characters and pickpocketing etc. are not allowed? Or is thieving stuff allowed despite it being against local laws, but being against taxation is not because it would be against local laws which has to be respected? How about killing people in game setting? Also the whole comment about "trickle-down" came out of the left field. That there is a real world political concept of certain type of thinking does not make using that logic in game automatically political statement. Else we could easily argue that tax system in game makes it political too because it is inherently political concept in itself to collect money to fund (local) government. It's perfectly natural you will see some amount RL political stuff in game because games use numerous RL concepts to set out the game world.
@@tubetorpedoOf course there is room for evil characters and creative ways to avoid payment. But at this point the campaign is over, this was a little joke which happened to piss off Ronnie. I would agree with you if this was the only incident, then this would have been a pathetic showing from the other players. But Ronnie is pretty clearly having expectations that don't suit this group, like 'heroes always get the girl'. His behaviour seems problematic not just because of his actions, but also because of his attitude towards those actions. Trying to outsmart the fantasy version of the IRS is not problematic, but throwing a bit of a hissy fit because a supposed joke at the end of a campaign costing you imaginary money can definitely be annoying. Of course it is very well possible that Ronnie is in fact a decent person who just got bullied by a group of 'friends', but that's the risk of only hearing one side of the story. I for one can definitely see why OP would be annoyed with Ronnie, he just didn't suit the group particularly well. Do note, I am not trying to judge Ronnie or the group as people here, even if I am judging their behaviour. I do not know OP, I do not know Ronnie. Ronnie might be the nicest guy on this hemisphere, and OP might kill cats in his spare time, but that doesn't matter. All I can judge is the behaviour inside the campaign, and Ronnie's behaviour is definitely the kind of annoying that would strike a wrong cord with me, so I can see why OP thought he was a problem player.
@@lingricen8077 Hmm, let's just agree to disagree, this is not a hill I'm planning on dying on... If you think this kind of behaviour is funny or at least not all too bad, that's fine, I've made my case.
when people say they dont like politics in games they mean on the same level as the family guy trump peter fight. you cant have a deep storied political game when the modern devs have to make the side they dislike look pure evil. also its funny that the side who preaches *everything is political* draws the line at sexualities. but everything else totally political.
That's certainly what the smarter people who say 'no politics at the table' want, but in this case, and some others, they mean, they don't want non-political things that offend them to be present. I've never seen Loot Goblin say everything is political. I'm well aware of those types of people, and they're cringe. Not everyone or even most people who recognize being bi/gay/trans ect isn't political, also think everything is political. Anita Sarkeesian and some dumb liberal feminists aren't really all that popular in many circles.
So, to be fair, yes, all of those things are politicized issues. They weren't always such, but hey, Democrat politicians and special interests have been making EVERYTHING policized for the past 20 years so you can't even mention "real world politics" without getting political. This is why I strongly discourage ERP, and veering off course from the canon lore of the game world anymore than absolutely necessary, otherwise you're just opening doors for problems to arise. Us folks from the 80s and 90s tried to fight things becoming this way.
as far as game lore is concerned, this was canon. the two kings were part of the premade module. you can tell its a newer module because they didnt start writing this kind of stuff util la few years ago.
@@DarkSpyro707 Rather to say, I stick to lore that's detailed in the novels. Most of those are from before the age of injecting real life into escapism. So it's usually safe from relating to anything IRL. Basically use what I know.
I think the issue with gay marriage in fantasy setting, especially in noble bloodlines is that it doesn't make sense. Gay lovers? Sure go for it, that's actually super historical. But Gay marriages? They are meant to keep the bloodline ruling, that's the whole point and why homosexual relationships are frowned upon. The disconnect between reality and inclusivity is just to much for most people because, unlike magic, which have clear defined rules we can understand, reproduction in homosexual relationships is never explained. I don't agree that it's a political thing, I do believe that people do include these relationships specifically to push an agenda, but not necessarily a political one. I dunno, if someone explains it to me like I am 5 then sure. I don't look at it from a feelings perspective, I just look at it from a reproductive perspective. I don't believe that just because A likes B and B likes A that it's inherently ok to accept that. It's ok to question things we find odd.
I'd argue that in your fantasy world, royalties don't need to be bloodlines. It could be the king is appointed by a counsel of noble families. Even if you desperately need bloodlines, it could easily be "Hey, this king is gay and isn't having kids, his nephew/cousin/whatever is next in line" I mean, infertile kings have certainly existed in the real world and weren't kicked off the throne for not having kids.
@@ShepardCommander because it's a term folks like and associate with fantasy? Also it's kinda weird to say you just want some explanation for using the term without it being a bloodline thing and then ignore the entirely valid "other folks can be heirs in the bloodline" point. Or hey, how about the point that in D&D if the King or Queen has access to a mage then they can pretty easily be immortal thanks to the Clone spell? Why worry about heirs when you're just coming back if you die? Just wondering are you that pedantic about the usage of all terms that have historic meanings? I mean if you can accept that Awful and Awesome no longer mean the same thing like they used to, or that "Bully!" is no longer a term of endorsement and encouragement (Bully for you) then getting that "king" or "Queen" may not be entirely related to a bloodline dynasty shouldn't throw you off. Hell one of the most famous fictional kingdoms had pulling a sword from a stone as how the king was decided. Maybe the is kingdom always has that, every king replaced the sword back and when they die a new person pulls it out and they're king? Use your imagination
@@TonySamedi or you could just use yer brain and realise that homosexual reproduction is impossible and likely homosexuals are just too rare to even consider.
I mean, ignoring that many cultures have had Kings and Queens determined by things other than bloodline and this is a fantasy story where they might just be using the term King because it sounds cooler and is more accurate to the level of power this person has than 'minister' or 'president'... The fantasy culture could easily have it that they have a 'lover' 1st wife/husband position and an official 'childbearer' 2nd wife/husband position if a genetic heir is still required which honestly isn't a particularly unlikely setup for either a gay or straight ruler (see: ye old harems, and dozens of other 'more than one spouse' systems used through the ages by those in power), or if this is a high magic setting you can just have babies from a gay couple be possible through the use of a specially designed spell or magic item that makes 'impossible matches' viable - personally my fav option since it's development can be easily justified in universe by noble types wanting to bypass the gender locking of marrying their second sons/daughters off to even more powerful families/some magical type who's lover was someone biologically incompatible gender/species and they REALLY wanted kids, allows for potential plot hooks in scenerios like 'the ruler and their partner used the spell/item but it was sabotaged and it's up to the party to figure out how and why', justifies the development of strange 'crossbress peoples in your setting and it lets the players have an in universe reason to be able to marry/have kids with whatever kind of -hopefully sapient- beings they choose to romance =D That said... While I agree questioning is fine on it's own (can be very useful for worldbuilding actually! =D) the guy being talked about in story clearly wasn't questioning in good faith and that IS an issue, regardless of what the topic is about.
Okay yeah this is absolutely 100% fake. Made cringier by the fact that Ronnie, the ‘bad guy’ was the BEST and MOST ENTERTAINING person in this story whilst the rest were boring and had a clear chip on their shoulder. DISLIKING.
A pair of married kings in a medieval fantasy setting has nothing to do with current day politics, it is in fact the guy calling it out who is making things political... ok. Despite the obviously one sided narration nobody in this story comes off as likeable or blame free.
I think you have a problem of selecting your group. I've run games and played D&D and other games since 1978 and have NEVER had an issue even remotely close to your last couple of vids.
I'm sick of these posts pretending that the rainbow obsessed people are actually the normal, level-headed ones. They make lengthy posts about a couple incels, as if the majority of these cringe neckbeards are not woke themselves!
I would likely have skipped any further sessions. Bringing any form of sexual stuff into gaming is like someone all of a sudden playing chess with two queens. just - you can play any game you want - but I'm gonna walk away... ...you can have your Concord. I have no issues not buying or partaking in any Concord-like games.
Sorry but the LGBTQ+ mafia have positioned the whole gender and sexual preference thing to the point where I get Ronnie, assuming that was even the actual story. Just leave it out, as fare as other real world politics. For me that would be a hard NO. As for the "But everything is political" crowed... fuck off, you know full well what people mean. But as always people with leftist beliefs don't want to talk politics when it goes against them. Thinking more about it, actually sounds like Ronnie embraced the RP aspect, trying to argue his characters way out of getting taxed.
I do not take part in social games, for similar reasons to this video. I am sick of politics in everything, but I am also so algorythmically entangled in political everything, I avoid games with other people specifically because I do not want to be THAT person, complaining about politics in everything and getting all butthurt. I'd say this fella (like myself), needs to be weined off the political commentary circles.
I mean, the non-social games usually can be considered political so long as they have some form of story. And if you consider people having a sexuality to be political, that means that any game with a character would be political. Hell, it also means YOU'RE political.
Early on, Ronnie was kind of being an ass by conflating sexuality with politics considering he was the first one to bring sexuality to the table. At least if that is the full story as I always caveat that these stories are very one sided we don't get a full story so it's easy to cut things out. To me it sounds like a lot of that stuff didn't really come up during the campaign or at the end until he argued against taxes. But at that point I think it would have been good to just tell him "hey this is a one shot the money doesn't really matter as these characters aren't permanent." The party then deciding the straight up make references to real world politics as a spite play against him is kind of petty and I get it's easy to hold your spite in that way but jesus. Then the GM low key booting him out of the party I hope was followed with a serious discussion with him about the direction of the game , ect. To me this reads like "I didn't want to deal with an issue at the table like an adult so I just cut it out" Which I don't like.
@Lil no one IA saying people don't exist. Nobody is trans though because humans can't change their sex, and the idea they can is literal communist gobbledygook.
My only instance of politics mucking up a game had the GM of a POWER RANGERS game randomly deciding we should take a few sessions navigating the political landscape of North Korea. This then led to one player and, by extension his character, saying that *ALL* Koreans were 'pigs that would be doing the world a favor offing themselves' and... other colorful language. Can you believe I left that table before the next session? 😅
Honestly I wouldn't want to be in that group to begin with, they seem like the kind of "I just think the game in 1403 Bohemia should have black characters" type of people. I'm with Ronnie on this one
I don't think it's bait. I agree with them. There are more people out there who think the same way as "Ronnie" than there are that do not. They are just not in the groups you are in. The, to use 1980s TV terms, "Suggestive Themes" of the campaign should have been talked about in Zero. I agree with that. I had a group where people were romancing. I tuned out. It's not for me, but I'm not going to stop others.
@@RandomGamerCory What if the fantasy healing magic doesn't grow limbs back or help certain illnesses? Won't there always be specific cases in which disabled people exist? Why can't there be poisons or magical sicknesses that negate healing magic? (Having a virus that has evolved to stop healing magic like viruses mutate in reality is actually kinda sick)
I have actually stopped in the middle of a game and started playing on my phone as a DM when someone tried this kinda stuff. When asked why I was not DMing, I just said: You are wasting my time over politics, you know I don't deal with and that means I waste your time in return.
Generally speaking I try to keep sexuality out of roleplay. Like, it's fine to make allusions to it, it's fine for a character to have an orientation, it's fine to make jokes with.... but as soon as it becomes the actual focus of the scene I just get incredibly uncomfortable. Even in Baldur's Gate 3, I decided to play along in the incubus scene mostly as a joke, because that's what I was anticipating it would be.... but then the game took my agreement 100% seriously and oh dear god was I trying to abort that cutscene as soon as possible.
I'm in the same boat as you flip the boulders game thing, I try my best not to do anything that could possibly lead to a sexual encounter with any of the companions or the guardian. To the point where withers even calls me out on it. Like I want to play a video game not see glorified pron in my game
Hey DM, can we set up a holding headquartered in waterdeep that has majority stake in our "company" which donated the dragons hoard to the foundation for dragon hoard research i just founded? that way we can write the dragon hoard off as a loss on our taxes. i dare any dm to tax my dragon hoard and i promise i WILL find a loophole in the law even if I have to set up a dozen shell companies in the far realms. i promise you i will get that tax cut and i will write that dragon hoard off as a loss by donating it to my own NGO! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You bring lgbt theams into game, you can't be suprised when people talk about lgbt theams. And yes. It is politics. No other modules have had lgbt theams but now, magicly they do. When woke cluture and dei are at its high, and wizards of the cost in particular. Garbage people, that Rony dosen't fit with. Poor guy
Ronnie was being a dick. Its why the unwritten rule of politics left at the door existed with the party i had in my home state, but i will admit that the response and retaliation from the rest of the party was not the best way to handle it and kind of a low blow. Plus, Ronnie's attempt at tax evasion wasn't a bad arguement. I personally didnt see it as "reganomics" even after he was judged as taking that approach. If anything i would have viewed it as tax evasion Must clarify when i say politics at the door. Campaigns and fantasy can have their own influences, but the moment a player snaps from fantasy and starts being blatant about their political or religious points there is a problem. If we are not playing the campaign and people are fine with discussion, it would be allowed within reason. Iron sharpens iron, not im right and your wrong
@@ViviBuchlaw hey, the essence of being a bard is to be Human. Which is admittedly even more Ambiguous than whatever it means to be a bard. And yes there is something raunchy in there; but, I agree with you there is more to it than just that.
Ngl, I'm kinda sick of that kind of bard. There's nothing unique or funny about it anymore. Bring back Thom Merrilin types from Wheel of Time, go for some character depth, not orifice inches.
@@TOUGHEYES There are many, many, many ways to do a mystical bard I, personally, would love more punk bards going against the system in goth clothing. I'd like more bards to be more linked to a specific style of music in their character But also it's really easy to make a bard who's only character trait is S E X
Sure sounds like the group has some prior history about politics into the game and this video demonstrates it early on. Math hat. Clear ref to a president this group sounds like they wouldn't agree with, and so on. Ronnie didn't read the room with these players and move on. And yeah the dms response at the end solidified that.
That ending was pretty hilarious. I don't know if I'd have kept someone like that at my table though, it's pretty hard to see how someone equating politics to sexual orientation doesn't make them a bigot - unless they have a tragic backstory where there entire family was killed by two evil gay kings...
It's a bit of a mixed bag. You can hear all about pride and how lgbtq are making great strides and conquering adversity. Good for them. But at the same time, you can't help but feel... left out. When you see the traction movements like that are getting, and compare them to yourself, sometimes it can make you feel like "It's no longer normal to be normal." Do not mistake me, the guy probably shouldn't have reacted the way he did. There really is nothing wrong with being gay, or any sexuality or identity you can think of. You need to look at it and be able to think, "That's normal, same as me." You can't assume that every instance of lgbtq is an attack on you. You'll drive yourself insane if you do that.
@@DellikkilleDFurries are a kink and maps are sexual predators targeting young children, which is a crime. Don’t call those sexualities, that’s not what that word means.
@@kingcamelot1395 Can't really pity people feeling left out by LGBTQ+ pride (or any other pride like race or nationality) when the ones feeling that pride now were denied before.
@@RandomGamerCory Only if people who say they don't want politics in games aren't just salty about characters that aren't cisgender heterosexual WASPS.
@@ArcCaravan people who say they dont want politics in games mean they dont want the same tier political writing as trump vs peter griffin. modern writers literally can not do a balanced deep political story.
@@RandomGamerCory And in this case, the guy who said they didn't want politics only said that because there were LGBTQ+ characters. Basically denying a non-political character for political reasons.
Yeah and he was legitimately entertaining. “Its typical for a hero to get a girl at the end, right?”! “yeah but there are slim pickings” I can imagine Ronnie just sighing and saying “Fine, I’ll take 2 mingers then”
I have only ever played D&D once and enjoyed it my question is this in your experience have you seen conservative and liberal players get along without politics bleeding into the game? I would like to find a play group but am nervous it could be an issue
It was never an issue until every day activities and normal beliefs became political. When everyone wanted to play the game more for the role play than gathering treasure and killing monsters, a particular group began infesting all geek hobbies. Those who wanted to make a statement rather than have fun really killed the vibe.
Start playing with your friends who you already know are normal. Trying to find a group online that’s not filled with parties like the one in the story is incredibly difficult. To answer your question generally you won’t know if you’re playing with a conservative player but you will immediately know if you’re playing with a liberal one because they will be like the OP in this story.
Hard to believe half the incel shit Ronnie said is real considering the clear bias of OP. Granted, Ronnie should have saw where the winds were blowing and left, but the DM was objectively a passive aggressive little shit and should have been man enough to either talk things one on one with him or tell him to leave.
I have a friend who's a diehard lefty but he enjoys playing right-wing characters completely straight and... Whatever the term is for "playing on the other side for shits and giggles". I feel like Ronnie couldve saved himself a lot of grief and had these words be from the mouth of his character, and just say that his rogue is supposed to be a bit of an Eric Cartman type who often says uncouth things that can make for funny misunderstandings and hijinks.
I'm currently in college to become a social service worker and part of what i'm learning is to be as non-judgemental as possible, i'm realizing that someone like Ronnie would cause me to rapidly reach my limit. He comes off as a deeply ignorant man but despite it all is very sure in his own intelligence/knowledge. like the bit about gay tieflings or w/e. like he's capable of comprehending that gay women can be in a straight marriage but gay men???? nope.
@@ViviBuchlaw A few days ago I learned that cats can actually bark, sea turtles can fly and bears can breathe underwater. We really live in a wonderful world, anything is possible !
My character is political lol. She is extremely racist toward goblins due to past trauma. Makes it very difficult for our party, especially if we ever come across any friendly goblins. Zephyra, my character, will attack on sight
"You could argue that it (being bisexual) is min-maxing over being political." Uh...what? Being bisexual is just...a sexual orientation. It has no end goal.
End goal of the standard sexual orientation is in fact procreation. Thinking that sexuality has no end goal is a strange thing to say the least, granted it is insisted to be goalless to help push the agenda of transhumanism through sexuality. While your belief that sexuality has no end goal is incorrect, I can understand how you've been lead to that conclusion.
@@nedbigby9694 That makes no sense, because about 20% of the population identifies as LGBTQ+. That means one out of five average people does not naturally adhere to your arbitrary rules about who they're supposed to be or who they're supposed to sleep with. Neat little binaries are not reflective of complex reality. Moreover, most animal species can be observed having gay sex during the non-reproductive parts of the year. So, sex drives aren't developed completely and exclusively for reproduction. Otherwise homosexual behavior wouldn't be so natural and common across species. This seems pretty obvious...
@@nedbigby9694 over 500 animal species exhibit homosexuality and research has shown that it is beneficial to have a small number of homosexual individuals. they as adults can provide additional resources/protection/education to the young. also by not reproducing they limit the amount of offspring competing for resources. your strict adherence to your preconceived notion that only your way is best is completely shattered by the way nature actually works, likely because you aren't involved in the fields of biology or genetics.
You can how ever you like as long as everyone on ball with that they agreed on in session 0. If you start springing up additional conditions without informing others, just why would you do that?
I've heard this sort of sentiment before. I'm bi, what policies do I believe in? Low taxes, high taxes? Do I want small government, big government? Do I think the minimum wage should be increased or lowered? What is my stance on foreign policy? Like bro, I just think certain people are pretty regardless of what they have down there. It's not political.
I'm not sure why there is so much lgbt or woke stuff in a fantasy world that is generally medieval with some magic. In tough and difficult lands being overly political or liberal, in a kingdom where a kings word is law, well, it would be weird to have really liberal takes on things. The argument for UBI could also be used for any trans characters. They only changed sex in their imagination.
Maybe this fantasy setting just doesn't care about the things you think are political and doesn't have to perfectly correlate to the conventions of medieval Europe because this is a different world where medieval Europe didn't exist. For a pretty common example of this racism between humans of different skin tones is often practically our actually non-existent in many settings. Because why are you gonna care about the guy with slightly darker skin when orks, elves, and dragonborn are walking about. This world has a different history than our own so rigidly applying real world political baggage to it makes no sense. On those same lines the existence of the Catholic Church is one of the biggest reasons why being gay was such a bad thing in medieval Europe. I don't know about you but I've never seen a Catholic in any D&D setting I've played in. Perhaps there was just no similar religious or social institution to enforce that bigotry and so it's just unexceptional to be gay in this setting.
The best way to handle politics in games is simple. The politics of the game are completely seperate from IRL politics. The political situation in the Kingdom of Madupia is entirely seperate from the politics of the real world just as how the Pcs are not their players. The inheritance struggle in game should be viewed in context of the game and not IRL
The funniest thing about stories like this is that the guy playing the game with elves and orcs and zombies and dragons and ethereal tigerheaded beings with backwards hands that exist in planes beyond imagination..... Why does a person liking both men and women get you so stuck.....
I don't like real world politics in my games, and I've never done romantic roleplay either. If I ever did, I would likely feel awkward doing it, but doubly so if it was same sex romance. If it made sense for the setting, such as ancient Greece, I would at least understand it and deal with it, because I would know to expect it. But something like a married pair of kings in an otherwise traditional fantasy setting would come completely out of the blue. Just because it was in the module would really not make it okay, since I would know it was there because of the writer's political leanings. Fine, you want to have two kings, go for it. I could name a real life country with an archaic form of government with two heads of state. But why do they need to be married? What does that add to the module, except make some players uncomfortable? That is the part I will never understand about identity politics. Why do so many people feel the need to advertise their most private feelings to total strangers? My native language only has a single pronoun for everyone, male, female, furry little creatures from Alpha Centauri, does not matter. When I travel, foreigners cannot tell my gender from my first name. One time, while sharing a hotel room with my sister, the reservation referred to us as Mr. and Mrs. We got a laugh out of it, it never once crossed my mind to get offended about it. When introducing myself, I never say what I identify as, because that is none of your business. And that is why it bothers me when other people advertise their identities and pronouns to me - why do they think I would be interested in knowing whether they are straight or gay? I'm here to play DnD, not looking for a date!
Character and person are seperate, i have played a racist alcoholic, a brick of a guy barbarian who liked nothing and no-one, a bisexual drama queen dude, and an openly straight extremely flirtatious barbarian woman. I'm a straight dude
Thank you for being the voice of sanity.
This is the way.
straight dudes dont play fantasy games so they can be bisexual... Its ok to be bisexual or even gay but lets stop pretending in the real world lol
Trying to separate person from player is a great skill. One I struggle with, so it's impressive seeing you pull it off
yeah - no... today's "gamers"(read tourists) have zero ability to keep fact-from-fiction. They think Harry Potter is a bad person, because the author has this-or-that view. it's pathetic.
Starting to talk about MATH cap, Reaganomics and trickle-down economics etc. was done by OTHER members of the group deliberately bringing RL politics in the game. Those are concepts from our world.
Someone saying that their character does not want to pay tax from the loot they earned is inherently not political. That is common stance to e.g. any thief archetype who is about individuality, personal morals and not following law (or else they would not be thieves in the first place if they respected laws and rules). E.g. DnD's chaotic character alignment is pretty much about THAT, opposite to lawful alignment which is about following laws and rules. Other systems might not use that kind of moral system but players usually inherently take their positions in similar matris.
Yes, one CAN turn anything political like rest of the group seemed to do here while hypocritically breaking their own claimed rules.
If I say my character does not want to pay some tax or fee or such, and other person starts bringing in political terminology from our reality because they think my stance is based on this or that theory or that some political figure said similar sounding thing, then it's THEY who made the issue about politics.
This was obviously told from very one sided perspective and while Ronnie sounded annoying person with his "where are all the ladies, I am such a stud, look at me), ALL the people taking stances looked like pricks. Based on this narration it was not Ronnie who was constantly turning things political, despite this clearly being very unfavorable towards him.
Yeah this party was guilty of being passive aggressive and trying to antagonize this player once they realized their politics didn’t mesh. I feel like if this party discussed ahead of time what they wanted, they could have realized it was best to part ways and save the headaches a lot earlier. I wish more parties could just stick to a fun removed from reality style of gameplay, but everyone at the time wanted just their enforced.
This is one of those "everyone in the entire debacle is a worthless skinbag full of garbage" cases.
I tend to agree.
Yeah
pretty much, yeah. the rogue was annoying but the rest were just your standard smug twittard
or it's fake af.
@@exidy-yt could be, could also be that the "problem player" just happened to get into a party of w0kies
"Okay fine. However, because fiends are living embodiments of evil, which includes sins like sloth and avarice, the demon in charge of the tiefling breeding project embezzled all the soul coins and half-assed the job."
homosexuality is a sin tho, so gay tieflings are just spreading the slaaneshi corruption =]
Honestly the real answer to what is most effective just to make them both genders or the ability to shape shifting between the two.
So basically the shapeshifting version of succubi and incubi.
Does anyone else get the feeling this story is fake?
Yeah, feels like they were ganging up on some dude because they caught wind that he didn't agree with their politics, and then they made up stories to dunk him on to strangers.
I’m betting Ronnie’s side of this story is wildly different. Just listening to the writer you can immediately pick out that this is a table full of political activists.
Completely fake. You'd have to be delusional to think this shit was real. Typical childish NPCs pretending they're 'the good guys'.
I would suppose that most of these are fake
Most of these stories are fake
I'm not a table-top player (I actually decided to watch this video to learn something about it), but three things:
1. When you have politics in the story (yes, I'm not familiar with role-play but I'm familiar with fantasy and fiction and general), you shouldn't ask "Is this real-world politics?", you should ask "Does this politics fit the world of the story?".
2. If "there was no communication" that's on DM, not on the guy. Since he was flirting with ladies all over the place, it was obvious he would like to get a girl in the end. DM was either very inattentive or just decided to screw the guy over.
3. "Gay kings" were absolutely real-world politics, shoved in a module by current DnD management.
Take one look at WotC and you'll be proven correct on point #3
If you want to learn something about ttrpgs, the "horror story" hashtag is not the one. It is explicitly what not to do/ be/ act. Also, if you decide to play, try to play with people that you know, and avoid the situation with internet randos. That's how you get situations like this
I don't like politics in my games, that's why I draw inspiration from my favorite non political games like Fallout NV, Spec-Ops: The Line, Bioshock, Disco Elisium...
hol up. . .
Oh... OH! I don't get it.
@dwaynejackson551 these games are famously political
@@TheLastScribe Ah... never played them. Thanks, I hate it.
😂😂🤣🤣
honestly ronnie is pretty based from the tax dodging. the second anyone tried taxing me in a fantasy setting that whole area is going up in flames.
but ya honestly especially near the end you can tell that group was bitter and ronnie was cool, a solid reminder that you wont fit every group your in and if you dont like the dm you can always troll a little bit before just leaving and finding a new group you're a better fit in.
So the rogue was partly in the wrong. But the rest of the party was also responsible for the continued issues. And the DM clearly did not handle the situation correctly, from the start the dm should have stopped the session and talked it out with the players/ made a call and then enforce it, or done so after the game.
indeed, this whole thing sounds like an attempt to gain moral points on reddit because nobody tried to de-escalate the situation in the slightest.
also, i don't care if "it's in the module" i'm rolling my eyes at the mention of the gay kings and you can't do anything to stop me -_-
@@capitanspoiler7393So glad I saw you and the other guys comments. Not only do I believe that this was fake, but if it WAS real the ronnie was ironically the most entertaining person
Look the whole Ronnie the Rogue going full Reagan at the end and all the shit of this story makes a lot of people to think is just fake so common sense is thrown out the window to not get in the way of this mental fart.
I don't know if this is real or not but I've seen a lot of games and alphabet weirdos games are always a mess. They lack a total understanding of the need of hierarchy and authority so you will never see a GM doing shit or enforcing anything for the sake of the game or the group bc they don't have what is necessary and problems will always balloon out of control. They will only kick someone that is openly hostile to their deviancy otherwise you will see dragging along the most dysfunctional people for hours. And the worst part of it, if the DM and the majority of players are alphabet weirdos the game will always devolved into a creepy fetiche show and all of them will only seek to satisfy their onanistic urges... my advice is stay away from a group of creepy weirdos
@@egillskallagrimson5879 yeah, the first things i say in any session 0 is "no unnecessary game of thrones moments" and "no real life politics. there can BE politics in a game but if the big bad is Daniel Trumpet and his plan is to wall off his dimension so he can rule it as he pleases, then i'm out"
I get the sense that either this story is entirely made up, there are a lot of details being left out, or that the DM had a very poor judgment in who to end not to allow in his campaign.
I’m airing more on the side of the story being entirely made up or not every detail being divulged, because I believe they had mentioned that it wasn’t going to get political while admitting that they were going to reference to people like Andrew Yang. Just as well, if the guy was already starting to see sexualities as political, someone should have told him about what was going to come up later and to inform him about it to let him judge for himself if it would be a good idea to remain or not.
The biggest thing tipping me off towards my conclusion, as well as the fact that, for the epilogue, after having removed him, instead of just having a sigh of relief that they wouldn’t have to deal with him ever again, they dunk on his character with political references out the Wazo. I mean, are you serious? People who are supposedly so “non-confrontational“ that they would pedally insult things he did because he’s not there to say anything back? Good people don’t do that, and if you were bothered with him, making issues out of non-issues, he wouldn’t do things that would easily be considered as issues.
If I had to go with this being fake, we’re not every detail being diverged, honestly, the guy had the name of “Ronnie“, after a reference to trickle down economics. I’m betting this is entirely fake.
Earnestly, thank you for this comment. My brain hurt trying to articulate how stupid this clearly made up story was.
And even if it was real, Ronnie was legit ehtertaining.
Ronnie, as described, doesnt sound great.
I really dont want to play with any of the other people involved though. Petty, vindictive, and passive-aggressive types that cant just be direct about their concerns, no matter how self-assured they are that theyre right.
We are simple people in our group... no romance. It just makes things simpler. Characters might have off screen romance with NPC's in downtime but it is never a focus.
Absolutely. I play to go dungeon crawling and have great adventures, not to explore someone's erotic fanfic.
Honestly, I think people are way too open about their sexualities in general. Modesty is underrated. But maybe that's just me becoming an old person.
that's the first thing i point out in a session 0 as well. that and "no unnecessary Game of Thrones moments"
From what I've watched so far a few episodes of this guy it seems as if the only people that want romance in Dungeons and Dragons are complete losers that can't get any in real life
Exactly keep it Star Wars rules.
Got thrown out of a party 6ish years ago because I attempted to stop another party (female playing a male) member from RAPING A GOBLIN, we took as a prisoner as a form of interrogation. Apparently stopping a rape means I am a “racist, bigoted trump supporter” which is funny because the the guy that invited me and left with me was the only person that was not just black but the one that wasn’t white.
Had another game that I was invited to by a now former female coworker where we were still meeting the other players characters in game and forming our party. Guy was in a tavern trying to hook up with the tavern keepers 9year old daughter and dm was encouraging it. Coworker got upset and said something about it before I did about how “you guys always do this crap” they guys thought I would go along with them and help bully my coworker into submission like they normally would do. Fun fact, I have 2 daughters the old was just about to turn 9 when this happened.
What the fuck
the goblin bit blew my mind
I can only think of "In Soviet Russia" jokes
Idk man, while I agree Ronny was being a brat especially at the start, I felt like they kinda hanged up on him in the end, just feels like there was a way better way to resolve the issues at hand, didn’t want to side with him but it felt like a gang up…
Comes off like we're hearing a completely one sided story to be a dick to one person they didn't like.
@@NeoBluereaper or a completely fabricated story to dunk on a conservative.
The two sexualities: straight, and political
3, actually: straight, gay and political. Gay people are apparently ok.
@Zeno unironically yes.
@@ZenoDovahkiin Not anymore, apparently. Now gays are honorary biggots for not wanting to get it with people who want a different set of tools than they were born with.
In my experience people really only add non-hetero characters to signal their real life support for those sorts of relationships. But at the same time, these aren't actual characters because they're not written like actual human beings with flaws or biases. Instead they're pretty much always idealized versions of what ever group they represent. People don't come to dnd for a sermon, they come to have fun.
They're fetish idols, basically. And I say this as a bi guy. I don't make all my characters bi - they vary wildly because *THEY'RE CHARACTERS I'M PLAYING, NOT ME.*
Honestly, having played all flavors of people as a straight guy, my thought process is usually “new campaign. Never played a character who was into guys before. Guess might as well now.” Making the characters different from me also let’s me really get into the acting aspects of the roleplay since I can’t just think about things as myself.
a bisexual bard is the least controversial thing you can do in D&D, get over yourself
@@corberus3119
That's fine and all, just stop preaching and pretending that not being heterosexual makes you intetesting.
This was going great until the DM decided to aggravate the situation by... being political.
It was pretty obvious where this was going as soon as "Tiefling" was uttered.
It depends on the setting. Usually Tieflings are not always the result of a Demon/Devil/Daemon banged a humanoid. Sometimes it comes up where either your ancestor made a deal/pact, or binding an evil outsider and the essence taints the genetics a bit and one pops up generations later. Or during the formative years in a womb you were close to some evil outsider energies.
Even though Tieflings are Outsiders with the native subtype, they retain cultural mannerisms, and thinking with upbringing. Some might have a slight pull towards an alignment based on their lineage in question. Still doesn't prevent them from being gay/Bi/etc.
This sound fake, ngl.
The ending😂😂😂
I get what you're saying (sexuality/attraction isn't by definition political), but at the same time, I kinda get why the guy was annoyed. Not the players' faults, it's just that you hear about it _so much _*_ALL THE TIME_* that your mind can _jump_ to politics even when it's irrelevant. People should cultivate discernment and take a step back to evaluate the situation before getting upset, though.
Imposing an "adventurers tax" would be a fun way to make a BBEG ruler who's a complete jerk, NGL.
You meet with the king and his husband.
“Stop bringing politics into this!”
Okay. You meet with a regular Joe Schmoe dude and his husband.
realistically no king would have a husband solely because he would need to sire a royal bloodline.
So? This is Dungeons & Dragons I'm not here for realism.@@RandomGamerCory
@@RandomGamerCory
And realistically you wouldn't be fighting a fucking dragon
@@RandomGamerCoryAlso homosexual relations (especially among royals/nobles) happened all the time, lol
@@TortoiseNotTurtle still married a queen to continue the royal bloodlines
It was political from the beginning, from both sides. Seems the political split in the US is too deep for both sides to enjoy a game of DnD. Also the thing with the chicks is somewhat disturbing.
Just said it in another comment but I got thrown out of a game about 6 years ago for trying to stop another player (female playing male) from raping a goblin we had captured as a form of interrogation. Got called a “racist, bigoted trump supporter” for it. Cherry on top was they were all white except for the dude that invited me to the group and left with me when I was kicked.
@@kensprivateinvestigation2128 I don't understand where these people come from...
@@Corvin2696 I can’t say where they came from but I can tell you they didn’t come from taking a shower.
@@kensprivateinvestigation2128 Do the girls also don't take showers too?
One of em literally was wearing an andrew yang hat in the game universe lmfao
Well, I have never heard a straight guy talk about how great it is to be straight and that straight people deserve a parades, holidays, and a whole ass month to celebrrate the fact that they are straight. So, you know, when people start throing around accusations of making things political, I just think back to the last straight pride parade that wasn't protested to hell and back by the "tolerant" people who support all sexualities.
If you didn't get the joke, that last one never happened.
You obviously missed the entire Super Straight episode because the entire thing lasted only a hot minute yet made a lot of people irrationally angry real fast.
@@nailertn82 Because the entire thing was a parody of gender politics. Through parody it pointed out hypocrisy.
@zecorezecron agreed we wouldn't feel like sexuallity was political if they weren't constantly making it political and shoving it in everyone's faces with stuff like pride month. I have gay friends and the company I keep doesn't support pride flags and parades they just literally want to be left alone with thier partners
Straight person constantly talking about their sexuality and bringing it in to everything is as obnoxious as any non-straight person doing exact same thing.
Or you could replace sexuality with religion, or lack of if atheist would be constantly bringing up the subject. Or someone constantly turning things political while current topic or issue had nothing to do with politics.
I think there is a pattern here. Naturally there are some moments when any of above might become relevant, but in real life scenarios extremely rare unless someone brings them up. Otherwise random cases like "Could you come to Sunday meeting? No I go to church at that time. Ok, we'll figure out something else." are most likely scenarios.
E.g. in my current workplace I do not know anyone's political or religious leanings and sexuality I could assume from those few I know have wife/husbands.
Dude may not have handled things well, but he’s got a point. The family is the fundamental political unit, and it always involved gender difference until five minutes ago. Saying it’s even possible for two men to be married is a controversial political statement.
Gays and bisexual have existed for way longer than 5 minutes granpa 😂
@@DargorVyou are deliberately missing his point.
@@DargorV nope.
Before “modern times” people would stick it wherever they wanted it not cause they were gay or bi or lesbian.
We werent evolved enogh to have self control. Dont start spitting “facts” about Romans or other cultures, I am Italian, I’ve studied better than Americans, dont worry about it 😂 some of your countrymen (better, a man pretending to be a girl) said complete nonsense about I Galli that were romans priests and dressed/lived as women 😂😂😂😂 y’all need to sit down and stop taking history as a blank page.
As far as politics: being queer IS political. Old LGB and the sane Ts are divorcing from the sh!t that’s been floating these past 20ish years.
So, nope. Being gay, trns or queer is not something that’s always existed: it’s just people regressing to Neanderthal stage, chill liberal.
Personally I am glad I had the chance to play dnd when it was still a SANE space.
If I’ll ever try it again, as soon as someone mentions any queersh!t, I am out.
Same if I am the DM: no queerz at my table.
@@DargorV What about gay marriage then ?
Yeah, that's what I thought...
@@LadyHermes its been legal in various parts of the world for over 20 years
I’ll take “things that probably never happened” for $500, Alex. If real, it’s a good example of what can happen when you don’t gatekeep your hobby to keep activist weirdos out. I’d rather play with Ronnie than any of the karens in this story.
Why is everything now about LGBTQ and how it
Must be the centerpiece of all characters all the time.
Representation matters that why. Otherwise you all wouldn't be so mad about it.
Just make a good character and the rest doesn't even matter.
@@Eric-cj8sb Representation only matters for really narcissistic people that can't empathise with other people.
I'm basically never represented in any setting in fantasy or sci fi and I don't care. I want to become the character, I don't want the character to become like me.
@@Eric-cj8sb no it doesn't lol. I've never played or watched anything and went "if only I was somehow represented in this"
@elibrainless90 You are full of absolute shit and privilege to say something like that. People would not take issue with LGBTQ and POC characters so badly if representation didn't matter. You all see a non white or non straight person and whine and cry. It because you views andndesires aren't being represented on screen. For most it's definitely a subconscious thing. Also have People that are like you in race or orientation makes it. Ore okay and normal to he those things. You are so full of shit if you truly think representation doesn't matter.
Well, I don't usually play a gay character (my character is straight but never actually flirts with character,and every time someone mistakes what my character does as flirting he always denies it) but it doesn't really matter since i mostly play for the "beat shit up" part,and romance is not the main focus
My character is sometimes called "the unrizzable monk"
Ronnie: "No real world politics, but there would totally be lesbian tieflings because of real world political history reasons."
that's a misrepresentation of Ronnie's argument, since he clearly gave lore reasons for why it wouldn't make sense
@@frateranpvbail-shm6912 hahaha
@@frateranpvbail-shm6912tbf their reason was really weak
learn to read
Sounds like Ronnie is better off without them.
And then everyone clapped.
My thoughts exactly lmfao
Is it *inherently* political? No, of course not and it most certainly doesn't have to be. That's just silly. It can be, but generally speaking it isn't. That being said though it can be kind of annoyingly transparent when literally EVERYONE is gay or bi, especially when they're really "in your face" and flamboyant about it. I mean it's not like I'd make a thing out of it either way, but personally I just find this to be kind of eye-rollingly obnoxious.
whats wrong with a bisexula bard? its a well known trope that bards try to fuck everything
@@corberus3119 What about the gay kings? That makes no sense at all, because the king needs to marry to create offspring to carry on the royal bloodline, that's how kingdoms work. Only one pairing does that, and it's not 2 men.
Two men can just adopt. It’s a great way to reduce royal inbreeding.
tieflings are humans who were changed by the planar influence (it's like being a human, then experience some exposure to radiation and then you are something else) Tieflings are basically humans who were changed by "radiation".
More like gaydiation apparently lol
Seems like the liberal players just ganged up on the one that's conservative. Especially with that end.
I had a NPC that was meant to be the ultra cool nice guy leader for one of the human armies and one of the prime quest givers for the party. I described him as "Golden haired, somewhat sunworn skin, a few small scars and brown eyes" and everyone loved the character. He was a guy genuinely concerned about his country and hated all the constant bickering between nobles and the king causing problems for the peasant folk. He wanted to defuse tension with the neighboring kingdom and route out the problems being caused by assassins hired by nobles sent to off one another. Well everyone liked him except THAT player whom pretty quickly started saying "This is just Donald Trump. We obviously can't trust him."
I had to just lean into it and start doing his voice as a Trump imitation and start sayin "We have to make this kingdom great again" annoying him until he finally left the campaign because he kept expecting a betrayal that never came. I kid you not at one point he said "It's only a matter of time if we keep helping this guy it's gonna be too late and he'll seize power and start putting all the elves and dwarves in concentration camps"
So cringe.Trump2024.
Thats amazing
Any game where another player starts to tell me that his character is bisexual is a no go. To each their own but I would stand up and say sorry guys this is not for me thanks for the invitation.
Either that or I would say at session 0, no modern politics. Which includes lgbtq subjects. Sure others can say that they want them but that just shows that those are not the people that I want to play with. I don't care who these people want to have relations with outside the game but in game it hold no interest.
Genuinely, if it's that much of a big deal for you, bailing at session 0 is the right call. You're saving yourself and everyone around you a ton of grief.
very long message just to reveal to everyone that you're a loser
@@Geesaronithere is legitimately no reason in d&d, unless you are doing sexual roleplay, that i need to know your sexuality.
@@TheStreamThatJakeBuilt I would say a good 80% of D&D games I've seen or been in have contained no sexual roleplay whatsoever but HAVE involved some kind of casual flirting with the barmaid/barman or some kind of relationships. Even if sometimes it's as abstracted as "I flirt with the cute waitress and that's my action in this tavern" it's _really_ common.
You don't think it's better for everyone to say it up front before anybody gets invested, rather than dealing with someone having a freakout because the big beefy barbarian starts flirting with the barman instead of the barmaid?
No agendas need apply, that's just practicality.
a bard being bisexual is the least political/controversial thing that has ever existed in D&D, if you can't handle that then the game isn't for you
My solution is to have all my characters be ace but massive flirts to get what they want lmao
That is truly devious. I like it.
This is me, I love it
Nah that shit breaks immersion
Almost as bad as bg3 making every single character pan
@@FiftyStates5 ah yes, incorporating elements of my own preferences and life experiences into my characters that I play breaks immersion ... For who? I'm ace, I play my fair share of "horny" bards in a way that makes sense for me as a person, I just play what I know baby.
wtf is ace? are you a pilot?
I’m sorry but I kind of agree with Ronnie.
As a conservative myself, I personally don't care to engage with the whole sexuality thing in my games. That being said, when I'm playing with other people that do, I'd rather everyone have fun and do what they want in-game, so long as it is in-character. My beliefs shouldn't ruin someone else's game.
It wasn’t political but it WAS ideological. Don’t be silly.
Another good example why gatekeeping is important in D&D. LGBT propaganda in recent years only destroy game sessions.
Log off
@@tonyblitz1damn I think I found a modern audience tourist!!
@@tonyblitz1yea, you should
It only destroys sessions if someone in the group is the kind of baby that can't handle the mere existence of people that are not exactly like them.
@@TheArtistKnownAsNoobletOh we can handle them existing we just don’t like them🤣
Everyone in this story sounds like a terminally online political weirdo. Mind you, this story was from the perspective of an OP who was clearly trying to paint the other guy's views in a negative light, and yet he still came off as being equally cringe. So make of that what you will.
Ronnie might've been a bit annoying at the beginning but everyone just ganged up on Ronnie. They were the assholes
Ronnie didn't belong in this group... having said that, Ronnie definitely was more than just 'annoying'. If you sulk both in and out of character because you 'didn't get the girl' at the end of a campaign and get adamant about not following local laws just because it would cost you a cut of what you earned, that indicates to me that you're not interacting with stories in a healthy way. To me it just sounds like entitlement, and given this seems like it continued for the entire campaign I can see why the group ganged up on him.
@@the_tactician9858 _"get adamant about not following local laws just because it would cost you a cut of what you earned"_
As example in DnD there are alignment classes like lawful and chaotic so depending character it would be perfectly in character to be against rules and laws and e.g. systems like taxation. Lawful characters are all about law and order and chaotic are against those concepts. Game does not need to use actual DnD ruleset, this was just example how characters different moral and ethical perspectives generally work in background.
IF it was actual role playing game it would be strange if every character should automatically agree over something just because it happens to be the "local law".
Very obvious example, how about thief/rogue characters?
Is thieving not usually punishable by local laws IF getting caught in most game settings? If we follow the logic that local laws should be respected as a house rule, thief characters and pickpocketing etc. are not allowed? Or is thieving stuff allowed despite it being against local laws, but being against taxation is not because it would be against local laws which has to be respected? How about killing people in game setting?
Also the whole comment about "trickle-down" came out of the left field. That there is a real world political concept of certain type of thinking does not make using that logic in game automatically political statement. Else we could easily argue that tax system in game makes it political too because it is inherently political concept in itself to collect money to fund (local) government. It's perfectly natural you will see some amount RL political stuff in game because games use numerous RL concepts to set out the game world.
@@tubetorpedoOf course there is room for evil characters and creative ways to avoid payment. But at this point the campaign is over, this was a little joke which happened to piss off Ronnie. I would agree with you if this was the only incident, then this would have been a pathetic showing from the other players. But Ronnie is pretty clearly having expectations that don't suit this group, like 'heroes always get the girl'. His behaviour seems problematic not just because of his actions, but also because of his attitude towards those actions. Trying to outsmart the fantasy version of the IRS is not problematic, but throwing a bit of a hissy fit because a supposed joke at the end of a campaign costing you imaginary money can definitely be annoying.
Of course it is very well possible that Ronnie is in fact a decent person who just got bullied by a group of 'friends', but that's the risk of only hearing one side of the story. I for one can definitely see why OP would be annoyed with Ronnie, he just didn't suit the group particularly well. Do note, I am not trying to judge Ronnie or the group as people here, even if I am judging their behaviour. I do not know OP, I do not know Ronnie. Ronnie might be the nicest guy on this hemisphere, and OP might kill cats in his spare time, but that doesn't matter. All I can judge is the behaviour inside the campaign, and Ronnie's behaviour is definitely the kind of annoying that would strike a wrong cord with me, so I can see why OP thought he was a problem player.
@@the_tactician9858Ronnie was legit entertaining
@@lingricen8077 Hmm, let's just agree to disagree, this is not a hill I'm planning on dying on... If you think this kind of behaviour is funny or at least not all too bad, that's fine, I've made my case.
Gotta love using the uber trendy insult "incel" when complaining about not taking sexualities seriously.
when people say they dont like politics in games they mean on the same level as the family guy trump peter fight. you cant have a deep storied political game when the modern devs have to make the side they dislike look pure evil.
also its funny that the side who preaches *everything is political* draws the line at sexualities. but everything else totally political.
That's certainly what the smarter people who say 'no politics at the table' want, but in this case, and some others, they mean, they don't want non-political things that offend them to be present.
I've never seen Loot Goblin say everything is political. I'm well aware of those types of people, and they're cringe. Not everyone or even most people who recognize being bi/gay/trans ect isn't political, also think everything is political.
Anita Sarkeesian and some dumb liberal feminists aren't really all that popular in many circles.
Haha, I don't think an orange is politics, you're wrong. Your whole argument is invalid. You can shut up now ;3
So, to be fair, yes, all of those things are politicized issues. They weren't always such, but hey, Democrat politicians and special interests have been making EVERYTHING policized for the past 20 years so you can't even mention "real world politics" without getting political.
This is why I strongly discourage ERP, and veering off course from the canon lore of the game world anymore than absolutely necessary, otherwise you're just opening doors for problems to arise.
Us folks from the 80s and 90s tried to fight things becoming this way.
as far as game lore is concerned, this was canon. the two kings were part of the premade module. you can tell its a newer module because they didnt start writing this kind of stuff util la few years ago.
@@DarkSpyro707
Rather to say, I stick to lore that's detailed in the novels. Most of those are from before the age of injecting real life into escapism. So it's usually safe from relating to anything IRL.
Basically use what I know.
I happen to enjoy playing characters that are the complete opposite of myself in real life.
Lefties: "Everything is political!"
Also lefties: "Stop calling LGBTQWERTYUIOP political!"
I think the issue with gay marriage in fantasy setting, especially in noble bloodlines is that it doesn't make sense. Gay lovers? Sure go for it, that's actually super historical. But Gay marriages? They are meant to keep the bloodline ruling, that's the whole point and why homosexual relationships are frowned upon. The disconnect between reality and inclusivity is just to much for most people because, unlike magic, which have clear defined rules we can understand, reproduction in homosexual relationships is never explained.
I don't agree that it's a political thing, I do believe that people do include these relationships specifically to push an agenda, but not necessarily a political one. I dunno, if someone explains it to me like I am 5 then sure. I don't look at it from a feelings perspective, I just look at it from a reproductive perspective. I don't believe that just because A likes B and B likes A that it's inherently ok to accept that. It's ok to question things we find odd.
I'd argue that in your fantasy world, royalties don't need to be bloodlines.
It could be the king is appointed by a counsel of noble families.
Even if you desperately need bloodlines, it could easily be "Hey, this king is gay and isn't having kids, his nephew/cousin/whatever is next in line"
I mean, infertile kings have certainly existed in the real world and weren't kicked off the throne for not having kids.
@@TonySamedi Then why have kings and queens and kingdoms at all at that point? If they are "elected" why wouldn't it be more like the romans?
@@ShepardCommander because it's a term folks like and associate with fantasy?
Also it's kinda weird to say you just want some explanation for using the term without it being a bloodline thing and then ignore the entirely valid "other folks can be heirs in the bloodline" point.
Or hey, how about the point that in D&D if the King or Queen has access to a mage then they can pretty easily be immortal thanks to the Clone spell? Why worry about heirs when you're just coming back if you die?
Just wondering are you that pedantic about the usage of all terms that have historic meanings?
I mean if you can accept that Awful and Awesome no longer mean the same thing like they used to, or that "Bully!" is no longer a term of endorsement and encouragement (Bully for you) then getting that "king" or "Queen" may not be entirely related to a bloodline dynasty shouldn't throw you off.
Hell one of the most famous fictional kingdoms had pulling a sword from a stone as how the king was decided. Maybe the is kingdom always has that, every king replaced the sword back and when they die a new person pulls it out and they're king? Use your imagination
@@TonySamedi or you could just use yer brain and realise that homosexual reproduction is impossible and likely homosexuals are just too rare to even consider.
I mean, ignoring that many cultures have had Kings and Queens determined by things other than bloodline and this is a fantasy story where they might just be using the term King because it sounds cooler and is more accurate to the level of power this person has than 'minister' or 'president'...
The fantasy culture could easily have it that they have a 'lover' 1st wife/husband position and an official 'childbearer' 2nd wife/husband position if a genetic heir is still required which honestly isn't a particularly unlikely setup for either a gay or straight ruler (see: ye old harems, and dozens of other 'more than one spouse' systems used through the ages by those in power), or if this is a high magic setting you can just have babies from a gay couple be possible through the use of a specially designed spell or magic item that makes 'impossible matches' viable - personally my fav option since it's development can be easily justified in universe by noble types wanting to bypass the gender locking of marrying their second sons/daughters off to even more powerful families/some magical type who's lover was someone biologically incompatible gender/species and they REALLY wanted kids, allows for potential plot hooks in scenerios like 'the ruler and their partner used the spell/item but it was sabotaged and it's up to the party to figure out how and why', justifies the development of strange 'crossbress peoples in your setting and it lets the players have an in universe reason to be able to marry/have kids with whatever kind of -hopefully sapient- beings they choose to romance =D
That said... While I agree questioning is fine on it's own (can be very useful for worldbuilding actually! =D) the guy being talked about in story clearly wasn't questioning in good faith and that IS an issue, regardless of what the topic is about.
Okay yeah this is absolutely 100% fake. Made cringier by the fact that Ronnie, the ‘bad guy’ was the BEST and MOST ENTERTAINING person in this story whilst the rest were boring and had a clear chip on their shoulder.
DISLIKING.
A pair of married kings in a medieval fantasy setting has nothing to do with current day politics, it is in fact the guy calling it out who is making things political... ok.
Despite the obviously one sided narration nobody in this story comes off as likeable or blame free.
I think you have a problem of selecting your group. I've run games and played D&D and other games since 1978 and have NEVER had an issue even remotely close to your last couple of vids.
I'm sick of these posts pretending that the rainbow obsessed people are actually the normal, level-headed ones. They make lengthy posts about a couple incels, as if the majority of these cringe neckbeards are not woke themselves!
I would likely have skipped any further sessions.
Bringing any form of sexual stuff into gaming is like someone all of a sudden playing chess with two queens. just - you can play any game you want - but I'm gonna walk away...
...you can have your Concord. I have no issues not buying or partaking in any Concord-like games.
a bisexual bard isn't controversial at all
@@corberus3119
That was like saying "there's nothing controversial about painters from Austria" :D
I remember the days of going into dungeons and killing monsters for quests or treasure. Why does gender and sex have to be in D&D. Sad days indeed.
it is a well known trope going back decades that bards try to fuck anything, nothing about that is new or controversial
Sorry but the LGBTQ+ mafia have positioned the whole gender and sexual preference thing to the point where I get Ronnie, assuming that was even the actual story. Just leave it out, as fare as other real world politics. For me that would be a hard NO. As for the "But everything is political" crowed... fuck off, you know full well what people mean. But as always people with leftist beliefs don't want to talk politics when it goes against them.
Thinking more about it, actually sounds like Ronnie embraced the RP aspect, trying to argue his characters way out of getting taxed.
5:25 - His logic is sound.
5:35 - His logic falls apart.
Yeah, for a second the man almost had a point but then it takes a wild turn.
His logic was just an excuse to deny people.
I do not take part in social games, for similar reasons to this video. I am sick of politics in everything, but I am also so algorythmically entangled in political everything, I avoid games with other people specifically because I do not want to be THAT person, complaining about politics in everything and getting all butthurt. I'd say this fella (like myself), needs to be weined off the political commentary circles.
I mean, the non-social games usually can be considered political so long as they have some form of story. And if you consider people having a sexuality to be political, that means that any game with a character would be political. Hell, it also means YOU'RE political.
Politics, POLITICS?
King Excell: i am gonna build a wall, and make the tieflings pay for it
That would be just as cringe
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е i actually pulled it off. Took my players a little too long to notice the reference.
*laughs in Baldur's Gate 3*
Early on, Ronnie was kind of being an ass by conflating sexuality with politics considering he was the first one to bring sexuality to the table. At least if that is the full story as I always caveat that these stories are very one sided we don't get a full story so it's easy to cut things out.
To me it sounds like a lot of that stuff didn't really come up during the campaign or at the end until he argued against taxes. But at that point I think it would have been good to just tell him "hey this is a one shot the money doesn't really matter as these characters aren't permanent."
The party then deciding the straight up make references to real world politics as a spite play against him is kind of petty and I get it's easy to hold your spite in that way but jesus. Then the GM low key booting him out of the party I hope was followed with a serious discussion with him about the direction of the game , ect.
To me this reads like "I didn't want to deal with an issue at the table like an adult so I just cut it out"
Which I don't like.
I’d rather play with 20 Ronnies than any of those other 3 jerks. Ronnie stood up for the town at the end, he was the only hero.
jokers plan was the only on that would actually give them money, trickledown has been proven not to work
@@corberus3119 joker doesnt exist, argument invalid
There is a difference between having politics to service the world and plot of your story and your hamfisted activism.
There's also a difference between not wanting politics taking things over and whining about people existing.
saying people exist isn't "politics" nor is it "activism".
@@LilFeralGangrel then how come the same people who say that say EVERYTHING is political, its funny how it magically stops with things they believe in
@@RandomGamerCory Gay and trans people aren't political. The opinion that they are bad people automatically is political.
@Lil no one IA saying people don't exist. Nobody is trans though because humans can't change their sex, and the idea they can is literal communist gobbledygook.
My only instance of politics mucking up a game had the GM of a POWER RANGERS game randomly deciding we should take a few sessions navigating the political landscape of North Korea. This then led to one player and, by extension his character, saying that *ALL* Koreans were 'pigs that would be doing the world a favor offing themselves' and... other colorful language. Can you believe I left that table before the next session? 😅
I'd have been the kinda guy to troll a guy.
Putting in Andrew Yang, it's truly the political cringe of the story
Honestly I wouldn't want to be in that group to begin with, they seem like the kind of "I just think the game in 1403 Bohemia should have black characters" type of people. I'm with Ronnie on this one
Obvious bait is obvious
I don't think it's bait. I agree with them. There are more people out there who think the same way as "Ronnie" than there are that do not. They are just not in the groups you are in.
The, to use 1980s TV terms, "Suggestive Themes" of the campaign should have been talked about in Zero. I agree with that. I had a group where people were romancing. I tuned out. It's not for me, but I'm not going to stop others.
@@Havocme7Guy using "no politics" as an excuse for bigotry.
dont forget the land of people in wheelchairs when healing magic is literally everywhere.
@@RandomGamerCory What if the fantasy healing magic doesn't grow limbs back or help certain illnesses? Won't there always be specific cases in which disabled people exist? Why can't there be poisons or magical sicknesses that negate healing magic? (Having a virus that has evolved to stop healing magic like viruses mutate in reality is actually kinda sick)
I have actually stopped in the middle of a game and started playing on my phone as a DM when someone tried this kinda stuff. When asked why I was not DMing, I just said: You are wasting my time over politics, you know I don't deal with and that means I waste your time in return.
Generally speaking I try to keep sexuality out of roleplay. Like, it's fine to make allusions to it, it's fine for a character to have an orientation, it's fine to make jokes with.... but as soon as it becomes the actual focus of the scene I just get incredibly uncomfortable. Even in Baldur's Gate 3, I decided to play along in the incubus scene mostly as a joke, because that's what I was anticipating it would be.... but then the game took my agreement 100% seriously and oh dear god was I trying to abort that cutscene as soon as possible.
I'm in the same boat as you flip the boulders game thing, I try my best not to do anything that could possibly lead to a sexual encounter with any of the companions or the guardian. To the point where withers even calls me out on it. Like I want to play a video game not see glorified pron in my game
Hey DM, can we set up a holding headquartered in waterdeep that has majority stake in our "company" which donated the dragons hoard to the foundation for dragon hoard research i just founded? that way we can write the dragon hoard off as a loss on our taxes.
i dare any dm to tax my dragon hoard and i promise i WILL find a loophole in the law even if I have to set up a dozen shell companies in the far realms. i promise you i will get that tax cut and i will write that dragon hoard off as a loss by donating it to my own NGO! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like you dogpiled on Ronnie :/
the guy had a point
Nope
@@Eric-cj8sb Yup
@@frateranpvbail-shm6912 nope
Nah
You bring lgbt theams into game, you can't be suprised when people talk about lgbt theams. And yes. It is politics. No other modules have had lgbt theams but now, magicly they do. When woke cluture and dei are at its high, and wizards of the cost in particular. Garbage people, that Rony dosen't fit with. Poor guy
Ronnie was being a dick. Its why the unwritten rule of politics left at the door existed with the party i had in my home state, but i will admit that the response and retaliation from the rest of the party was not the best way to handle it and kind of a low blow. Plus, Ronnie's attempt at tax evasion wasn't a bad arguement. I personally didnt see it as "reganomics" even after he was judged as taking that approach. If anything i would have viewed it as tax evasion
Must clarify when i say politics at the door. Campaigns and fantasy can have their own influences, but the moment a player snaps from fantasy and starts being blatant about their political or religious points there is a problem. If we are not playing the campaign and people are fine with discussion, it would be allowed within reason. Iron sharpens iron, not im right and your wrong
Bisexual bard is very Bard pilled
It's the current pop culture interpretation, but it is not what being a bard is about, nor should it be
@@ViviBuchlaw hey, the essence of being a bard is to be Human. Which is admittedly even more Ambiguous than whatever it means to be a bard. And yes there is something raunchy in there; but, I agree with you there is more to it than just that.
@@mileslugo6430 Do not conflate Allosexuality with what it means to be human. Ace people are human, cmon
Ngl, I'm kinda sick of that kind of bard. There's nothing unique or funny about it anymore. Bring back Thom Merrilin types from Wheel of Time, go for some character depth, not orifice inches.
@@TOUGHEYES There are many, many, many ways to do a mystical bard
I, personally, would love more punk bards going against the system in goth clothing. I'd like more bards to be more linked to a specific style of music in their character
But also it's really easy to make a bard who's only character trait is S E X
Sure sounds like the group has some prior history about politics into the game and this video demonstrates it early on. Math hat. Clear ref to a president this group sounds like they wouldn't agree with, and so on. Ronnie didn't read the room with these players and move on. And yeah the dms response at the end solidified that.
Sounds like this entire party is politically-online-constantly-trash tbh.
No real world politics, but math Yang hats. Mmkay dood
Okay, I already hate everyone here but Ronnie, he wasnt really hostile, HE JUST QUESTIONED THE LOGIC HERE
That ending was pretty hilarious. I don't know if I'd have kept someone like that at my table though, it's pretty hard to see how someone equating politics to sexual orientation doesn't make them a bigot - unless they have a tragic backstory where there entire family was killed by two evil gay kings...
It's a bit of a mixed bag. You can hear all about pride and how lgbtq are making great strides and conquering adversity. Good for them. But at the same time, you can't help but feel... left out. When you see the traction movements like that are getting, and compare them to yourself, sometimes it can make you feel like "It's no longer normal to be normal."
Do not mistake me, the guy probably shouldn't have reacted the way he did. There really is nothing wrong with being gay, or any sexuality or identity you can think of. You need to look at it and be able to think, "That's normal, same as me."
You can't assume that every instance of lgbtq is an attack on you. You'll drive yourself insane if you do that.
@@kingcamelot1395 there are many sexualities that there is *much* wrong with. maps and furries, for example.
@@DellikkilleDFurries are a kink and maps are sexual predators targeting young children, which is a crime. Don’t call those sexualities, that’s not what that word means.
@@DellikkilleD M.A.P.S. are definitely wrong, furries are no worse than goths.
@@kingcamelot1395 Can't really pity people feeling left out by LGBTQ+ pride (or any other pride like race or nationality) when the ones feeling that pride now were denied before.
You don't want politics in tabletop games, don't treat peoples' identities as political.
dont call everything political if you dont want *identities* being political.
@@RandomGamerCory Only if people who say they don't want politics in games aren't just salty about characters that aren't cisgender heterosexual WASPS.
@@ArcCaravan people who say they dont want politics in games mean they dont want the same tier political writing as trump vs peter griffin.
modern writers literally can not do a balanced deep political story.
@@RandomGamerCory And in this case, the guy who said they didn't want politics only said that because there were LGBTQ+ characters. Basically denying a non-political character for political reasons.
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Not a shred of that is true, but okay.
I don't recall ever using real world politics in any of my games.
Ronnie is the only person in this story that isn't a dumbass.
Yeah and he was legitimately entertaining. “Its typical for a hero to get a girl at the end, right?”!
“yeah but there are slim pickings”
I can imagine Ronnie just sighing and saying “Fine, I’ll take 2 mingers then”
I have only ever played D&D once and enjoyed it my question is this in your experience have you seen conservative and liberal players get along without politics bleeding into the game? I would like to find a play group but am nervous it could be an issue
It was never an issue until every day activities and normal beliefs became political. When everyone wanted to play the game more for the role play than gathering treasure and killing monsters, a particular group began infesting all geek hobbies. Those who wanted to make a statement rather than have fun really killed the vibe.
Start playing with your friends who you already know are normal. Trying to find a group online that’s not filled with parties like the one in the story is incredibly difficult. To answer your question generally you won’t know if you’re playing with a conservative player but you will immediately know if you’re playing with a liberal one because they will be like the OP in this story.
Hard to believe half the incel shit Ronnie said is real considering the clear bias of OP. Granted, Ronnie should have saw where the winds were blowing and left, but the DM was objectively a passive aggressive little shit and should have been man enough to either talk things one on one with him or tell him to leave.
Mf you can't have 2 kings and expect people to take you seriously
I have a friend who's a diehard lefty but he enjoys playing right-wing characters completely straight and... Whatever the term is for "playing on the other side for shits and giggles".
I feel like Ronnie couldve saved himself a lot of grief and had these words be from the mouth of his character, and just say that his rogue is supposed to be a bit of an Eric Cartman type who often says uncouth things that can make for funny misunderstandings and hijinks.
it's only political if it's preachy. otherwise who cares?
i Doubt the story with the taxes,
yeh, token pretending to get the last word. I bet joker never existed
whole groups sounds like a bunch of smarmy social media content junkies.
I'm currently in college to become a social service worker and part of what i'm learning is to be as non-judgemental as possible, i'm realizing that someone like Ronnie would cause me to rapidly reach my limit. He comes off as a deeply ignorant man but despite it all is very sure in his own intelligence/knowledge.
like the bit about gay tieflings or w/e. like he's capable of comprehending that gay women can be in a straight marriage but gay men???? nope.
Wait till he learns about trans people!
Good luck! My mom retired from 40 years of working as a social worker...a tough job. More like a calling than regular occupation.
@@ViviBuchlaw A few days ago I learned that cats can actually bark, sea turtles can fly and bears can breathe underwater.
We really live in a wonderful world, anything is possible !
@@LadyHermes Wait, you're only now learning about that? What rock have you been living under?
You are very clearly failing your degree
My character is political lol. She is extremely racist toward goblins due to past trauma. Makes it very difficult for our party, especially if we ever come across any friendly goblins. Zephyra, my character, will attack on sight
"You could argue that it (being bisexual) is min-maxing over being political." Uh...what? Being bisexual is just...a sexual orientation. It has no end goal.
End goal of the standard sexual orientation is in fact procreation. Thinking that sexuality has no end goal is a strange thing to say the least, granted it is insisted to be goalless to help push the agenda of transhumanism through sexuality. While your belief that sexuality has no end goal is incorrect, I can understand how you've been lead to that conclusion.
@@nedbigby9694 That makes no sense, because about 20% of the population identifies as LGBTQ+. That means one out of five average people does not naturally adhere to your arbitrary rules about who they're supposed to be or who they're supposed to sleep with. Neat little binaries are not reflective of complex reality.
Moreover, most animal species can be observed having gay sex during the non-reproductive parts of the year. So, sex drives aren't developed completely and exclusively for reproduction. Otherwise homosexual behavior wouldn't be so natural and common across species. This seems pretty obvious...
@@nedbigby9694 over 500 animal species exhibit homosexuality and research has shown that it is beneficial to have a small number of homosexual individuals. they as adults can provide additional resources/protection/education to the young. also by not reproducing they limit the amount of offspring competing for resources.
your strict adherence to your preconceived notion that only your way is best is completely shattered by the way nature actually works, likely because you aren't involved in the fields of biology or genetics.
You can how ever you like as long as everyone on ball with that they agreed on in session 0. If you start springing up additional conditions without informing others, just why would you do that?
"I don't think tieflings can be gay" Um, has this man played DnD before? Tieflings are unanimously the gayest race.
I've heard this sort of sentiment before. I'm bi, what policies do I believe in? Low taxes, high taxes? Do I want small government, big government? Do I think the minimum wage should be increased or lowered? What is my stance on foreign policy? Like bro, I just think certain people are pretty regardless of what they have down there. It's not political.
I'm not sure why there is so much lgbt or woke stuff in a fantasy world that is generally medieval with some magic. In tough and difficult lands being overly political or liberal, in a kingdom where a kings word is law, well, it would be weird to have really liberal takes on things. The argument for UBI could also be used for any trans characters. They only changed sex in their imagination.
Maybe this fantasy setting just doesn't care about the things you think are political and doesn't have to perfectly correlate to the conventions of medieval Europe because this is a different world where medieval Europe didn't exist. For a pretty common example of this racism between humans of different skin tones is often practically our actually non-existent in many settings. Because why are you gonna care about the guy with slightly darker skin when orks, elves, and dragonborn are walking about. This world has a different history than our own so rigidly applying real world political baggage to it makes no sense.
On those same lines the existence of the Catholic Church is one of the biggest reasons why being gay was such a bad thing in medieval Europe. I don't know about you but I've never seen a Catholic in any D&D setting I've played in. Perhaps there was just no similar religious or social institution to enforce that bigotry and so it's just unexceptional to be gay in this setting.
True chade
I thought it was gonna be that the issue was that they weren't playing a straight character... but this is someone an even dumber problem
The best way to handle politics in games is simple. The politics of the game are completely seperate from IRL politics. The political situation in the Kingdom of Madupia is entirely seperate from the politics of the real world just as how the Pcs are not their players. The inheritance struggle in game should be viewed in context of the game and not IRL
Fake story but cute video
The funniest thing about stories like this is that the guy playing the game with elves and orcs and zombies and dragons and ethereal tigerheaded beings with backwards hands that exist in planes beyond imagination..... Why does a person liking both men and women get you so stuck.....
I don't like real world politics in my games, and I've never done romantic roleplay either. If I ever did, I would likely feel awkward doing it, but doubly so if it was same sex romance. If it made sense for the setting, such as ancient Greece, I would at least understand it and deal with it, because I would know to expect it. But something like a married pair of kings in an otherwise traditional fantasy setting would come completely out of the blue. Just because it was in the module would really not make it okay, since I would know it was there because of the writer's political leanings. Fine, you want to have two kings, go for it. I could name a real life country with an archaic form of government with two heads of state. But why do they need to be married? What does that add to the module, except make some players uncomfortable?
That is the part I will never understand about identity politics. Why do so many people feel the need to advertise their most private feelings to total strangers? My native language only has a single pronoun for everyone, male, female, furry little creatures from Alpha Centauri, does not matter. When I travel, foreigners cannot tell my gender from my first name. One time, while sharing a hotel room with my sister, the reservation referred to us as Mr. and Mrs. We got a laugh out of it, it never once crossed my mind to get offended about it. When introducing myself, I never say what I identify as, because that is none of your business. And that is why it bothers me when other people advertise their identities and pronouns to me - why do they think I would be interested in knowing whether they are straight or gay? I'm here to play DnD, not looking for a date!
Gay kings could’ve been rewritten easily it is gross