NO SPARK PROBLEM KOHLER Courage twin cylinder Wont START , How To FIX and UPDATE the IGNITION SYSTEM
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- What's wrong with my mower ? NO SPARK! A 26 horsepower KOHLER Courage twin two 2 cylinder engine that WONT START won't RUN or backfires. How To FIX a NO SPARK problem and change back to MAGNETO style ignition . Must use Kohler UPDATE KIT to REPAIR . REPLACE both coils , rewire and also had to replace the STARTER MOTOR. Craftsman DGS 6500 model riding lawnmower. Common problem. Procedure , specs and part number. Slightly GROUCHY old fart mechanic. How to fixing and repair common problem problems. Review thoughts tips advice troubleshoot wont won't why carb carburetor clean piston valves spec specification capacity much gas fuel belt motor model choke fuel spark capacity oil why when where what shows whats diagnose service inspect check tank watch replace start hard starting tell dont advance change gap procedure can whats wrong
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Just a tip, loosen the coil bolts, slide coil(s) back, rotate the crank until the magnet lines up with the coil , insert a business card, let the magnet suck the coil in, tighten bolts, rotate crank, pull out card, done....WAY easier than the way you were doing it......have used that method forever, and never had an issue....the way your doing it was what I used to do, and had the same issue as you did.
Bit of a lout- aint he !! ?
@@mauricekeithjohnson2598 Except he is right and his way is so much less frustrating and more accurate.
I just did this business card trick and it worked perfectly for me. Did both in under 1-2 mins. Way easier.
I always use a business. Never anything else.
Been running my Kohler 26hp for 13 years. Can't be that bad.
I've been checking reviews on which best used riding mower to look for and learned pretty quick to stay away from ones with that brand of engine. Seems to be a lot of failures. Thanks for the Vids! :)
Good choice!
have this one with the old style coils / was popping the 20a breaker after 10 min. of diagnosis it was part no 532-193-350 ignition switch (the key ) had dirt sand down it took it apart cleaned it it works. breaker not popping but ordered a new one $15.00 IDk why does every one dislike this engine just change the oil and filter blow out the air cleaner fresh gas store your mover inside. it is not a car water will damage your stuff happy cutting
thanks for the comment!
You can use a business card between the coil and flywheel perfect gap
Just curious: Why do you think the Kohler Courage is junk? I know that the SINGLE CYLINDER ones were indeed junk- but I haven't heard much bad about the twins, except by people who don't know what they're talking about. [
That is good news. In the past, kohler made it difficult to get parts . It is getting better now. They also commonly sell parts in "kits" so they can charge you more.
I agree! My '06 Kohler has been virtually trouble free for the 13 years I have owned it. Regular oil and filter changes is all it has needed. Piece of crap? Not on your life.
I'm curious why you think Kohler engines are crap? And is this all Kohlers or certain years or models. I have 3 craftsman mowers all with Kohler engines. My 20 plus year garden tractor 22hp is still running strong... my newer 8-9 year 26 hp Elite 747cc has had a few quirks. I didn't want the Briggs & Stratton models. What's your take?
Thanks😊
The Kohler Courage engine is faulty engineering with lots of problems and so are their push lawnmoer engines. Kohler often tries to reinvent the wheel with their engineering and they usually fail. Kohler also made it difficult to get parts but that issue has gotten better.
Jeff, would it be easier to use 2 feeler gauges, than one? That's the way I do it, but then I have a Briggs and Stratton engine on my craftsman mower
I got so pissed off at the Kohler Courage my last mower had I sold it and went and baught a BadBoy Zero Turn and made damn sure it had the Kawasaki Engine! 6 years later the Kawasaki starts 1st time every time and has never broke down 1 time. I will never buy another Kohler POS again!
19:35 I got a laugh out of his amazement that the zip ties were in the Kohler box when he was running out of his own zippies. 10:10 The same ones that were in the box when he first opened the kit !!! Also, broke the fan screen when it wasn't even necessary to remove it in the first place.....SMDH.
lol!
They are called courage cause it takes a lot of courage to wrk on them!
No every engine is a simple design don't let a few electronics baffle your brain....
Actually because it takes courage to buy one. The single cylinders are wayyy worse tho......
Courage in french means shit!
Amazing video!!! Ordered the conversion kit and installed per your instructions without a hiccup....starts great! I do have a question...even after this conversions, my tractor is running slow and has a little black smoke coming out of the exhaust .....any suggestions? Should I take the carb off and clean it out or adjust?? Craftsman GT6000 with Koehler Courage 26hp engine. Thanks for the knowledge.
it could be the carburetor or loss of spark on one cylinder, or blown a head gasket
@@JeffsLittleEngineService it will start to idle faster and run faster with less smoke of I hold the choke halfway out. I took apart the carburetor and cleaned it all out. Is a head gasket repair major?
@@docroot462 I think the head gasket repair is about the easiest thing you can do. That is after you get everything apart out of your way.
I’m betting a head gasket
Like the command engines
25 hp kohler command
19 years old , never had a problem.
Good to hear!
Just connect the white wires and run them to the spade fittings on each of the new coils, and connect the red ones, and jump them over to the carb. but I have a question. the old coils only need one wire, , , ,the white one, so just put on the new coils, and connect the multi-port-abortion that the engineers designed, putting the white female, to the male spade on the new coils. (I don't know if that would work, but I would try that before cutting anything).
sorry, I commented early in the video, before you did what you did.
my 26hp Kohler has over a 1000 hrs on it driving a 72 cutting deck....been a Awesome Machine...
totally do not Think like this guy
it is always refreshing to hear good reviews about Kohler because I think they are crap!
5:26 I don’t like kohler engines there such a pain in the ass 2 work on especially the dam screen is a pain in the ass 2 get off
There was NO reason to take that plastic screen off in this video. It doesn't hold the engine bonnet onto the engine. The only time it ever needs to come off is when you need to remove the flywheel nut.
If you complaining too much get rid of it
apparantly everybody hates Kohler
@Kamper Ken ok thanks duly noted
myself personally id cut all that extra garbage wire off it
At 5:34- You don't have to remove that plastic leaf-guard. It does not conflict with the engine cover.
similar video ruclips.net/video/m_LqnqTAJ1o/видео.html. Info was consistent and I used the other one for the business card spacer instead of feeler gauges. I got cheaper and made my own 'adapter kit' with the existing white wire in the harness and some crimp ends that fit the connection on the coils. spent 36 dollars and fixed it.
I think this guy is a Briggs-Stratin dude, worst under powered and loud engine I ever had, hell, I love my Kohler and would buy another one if I needed to.
So POS, huh, so my 14 HP Kohler that I bought in 1994 and still runs great, only issue with it is I broke the governor, so I have to control the speed with the throttle, and this exact same engine I have, 11 years old, I believe, 600 hours on it, and until I JUST had this same issue 2 weeks ago has had no issues except Starters, is a POS? Wow you didn't try to take the cover off before you broke the guard, people actually pay you to work on things?
What mower engine dosnt have a metric bolt or nut they all do ,and the Kohler 7000 series engine I have is a dam good engine I do perfer briggs but I have a craftsman 42" zero turn with a 7000 series Kohler twin 20hp it has about 700hours never had an issue with it at all ,I'm not sure where your misinformation is from but the newer Kohler engines are dam good yes I do like briggs but I've seen the newer kohlers out run briggs by far, you make it sound like every Kohler is bad but that just isnt the case it's the kohler prior to I believe 2000 I'm not sure of the exact date however after the later 2000s the kohler engines did end up getting made way better
Just use a standard business card to set the coil gap. It's easier.
Used that trick a million times on solid state and points motors, definitely the easiest way to do it.
Just finished installing this kit about 30 mins. Ago set the business card in loosened the bolts coil pulled up tight. Tightened the bolts and vroom vroom. Perfect gap.
A reputable company would have admitted to their mistake and given the customer the parts to repair their engineering nightmare. BTW......did you mention that Kohler courage engines are a piece of crap?
I do agree on some parts, the courage single cylinder is terrible, ive had good luck with the twin so far, the commands are great engines ive seen, its not unheard of to have them go to 2000hrs before needing a refresh.
My Kohler V-Twin has been running trouble free for of 24 years, one before it was still perfect after a decade…had to turn you off!!!
You have been lucky.
Kolher used to be the engine to buy. I bought a 8hp Kolher tiller (Troybuilt) in 1991 and it still runs like new. Starts up every spring. Just change the oil yearly and sparkplug every 3 years.The newer engines are crap and even though B&S moved to Mexico and I hate to buy them, they are still much better than Kolher.
Been running my 25HP Kohler engine for 10+ years and no issues. Not sure why you hate them so much.
Wow.. Kohler's are known to never die in my neck of the woods..
Briggs.. is known for being not so good.. anymore
Help me understand.
You make money fixing CRAP engines, Yes?
If there were no CRAP engines, how would you make money?
Weird Paradox.
For Me, the MOST difficult part of fixing anything is to
reject the emotional foundation of decisions.
When anger and bitterness enter my shop,
I make a lot more mistakes.
Listen.
Women FEEL.
Men THINK.
Best of luck during this unnecessary destruction of OUR United States.
5/24/2020 - North Central Florida - Mr. Brown
thank you Mr. Brown I like this advice a lot.
Run your feeler gauge across both sides of the coil and magnet you get it done in one shot
Dad has a command seems to never have any issues
Awesome video and awesome fix. I have been wondering where you were. Now it all makes sense, working on a Kohler. Lol
First of all you didn 't need to take that off and then you break it...😢 and that's not how we set an air gap pull the coil all the way back..lightly tighten..use a brass feeler gauge or a piece of plastic..lay it sideways loosen coil.. moves into place automatically..😮... rotate the flywheel by hand so you know your clearance is good before you start it🎉
Good tips!
The part I ordered from Amazon came with two electrical prongs. Any ideas?
Hey Jeff thanks for this video! It really helped me and my father figure out the issue with his Kohler!
Courage was the budget line for kohler. They had in the time this motor was made better quality motors available. People want low price and this is what you get. I have a 2008 courage 24hp twin with 500 hrs now, purchased new. It has had normal problems over the years but its been a good motor overall. I new when I purchased it was budget motor. Mine came with updated magneto system. Called kohler cs at the time inquiring how long its projected life was and was told 1000-1200 hours.
Why are you so down on Kohler??? I have 5 of them 2 20hp single and 3 twins. I do proper and regular maintenance and oil changes and have never had more than minor problems. The 2 singles are 20 yrs old and have mown 5 acres every year. Any make of engine if not properly serviced will deteriorate and break down,
The reason is parts prices and availabilty(getting better), they try to sell everthing in a "kit", poor engineering and the ploblematic Kohler courage engine that they mass produced.
Put one of these conversion kits on mine about 2 years ago. Hasn't missed a beat since.
change my coils out just like you did and wired it the same way, but it won't run with ground wire hooked up, you can unhook the kill wire and it will run great. What could be the problem?
That means the kill wire/ground wire to the mag/coil is grounded all of the time. It should only be grounded when the key is turned to the off position.
Hi. Glad I found this video. I did the same upgrade and gaped ar 10 but I’m not getting any spark at all. I doubt both coils are bad out of the box. You ever come across this? Thanks
no, I would check all safety switches, maybe disconnect the coil kill/stop/ground wires and see if that changes anything
The Short Circuit is behind the screwdriver!!!!!
Best way to get gap for coil it squeeze business card works everytime
Can't anyone do a video starting with what happens when you try to start it or what it sounds like, etc then identify what the issue(s) might be?
I will next time
It’s a shame they put that junk on them and you were there tester plus you have to buy buy the replacement coils and dio wire
Really bad deal
I agree Phillip. An expensive repair if you cannot do it yourself.
My coil burnt out so I tried the conversion coils like you showed now engine not firing
make sure to wire them correctly, no power wire should be going to the coils now. Just the ground wires/kill wires.
Comparing these with the smaller faulty Courage engines are plain stupid. It’s a great “Command” knock off
My opinion they aren't a bad command knock off either. There is a night day difference I feel like in a Courage twin verses the Courage Singles. My neighbor has a 2009 Craftsman bought new with the 26 hp Courage Twin likes about 7 hours turning over 700 hours and only thing they ever had a problem with was the coils. Sure now that its wore out its little tricky sometimes to start but, a valve adjustment would improve it greatly as in almost 700 hours its never had one.
I love it when you rag on Kohler ! Should get a better deal for a replacement !
First to take the engine cover off you don't need to remove the fan cover to change the coils.and then i think if you look at the video and look at the starter i would say if you would look at the 2 bolts that hold the starter together and tighten the two small screws that go bottom to top you could have saved you customer a good amount. With the new fan cover and the starter he or she might of been able to pay for the new coil kit.
Good tips but It was not the long bolts on the bottom of the starter, they were tight. The bushings were toast.
@@JeffsLittleEngineService I'am sorry but the bushing have nothing to do with the outside cover for the fields moving around . and the power lug moving. Please look at 6:58 min into the film.and tell me how the outside was moving around ,and the mounting bracket stayed still.
Thank you
Bob
Help. I replaced the ignition coils and the starter. It goes crŕrrrrrrr but wont crank.
this problem is not related to the coils
DYS4500 Minus the coil update needed our 26hp Kohler has been trouble free since 2008 and over 600hrs. !
Nice video. The customer really should replace the flywheel or the teeth will break
I agree, I told him that but couldn't persuade him
@@JeffsLittleEngineService Well he will be sorry
What did you do about the red wire going to the fuel shut off solenoid
Nothing
Yes I learned what the issue was with my Courage twin... but cmon man... who the heck gaps each arm of the armature separately. Tighten screws with coil at widest... rotate till magnets cover coil... put business card in between magnet and flywheel. Loosen bolts let it snap to flywheel tighten bolts and walla perfect gap every time... rotate flywheel and pull business card out.
Obviously no clue what he is doing. I’m offended that he keeps saying Koehler is a piece of crap. I could say the same for B&S.
Kohler is crap. The truth can hurt sometimes...
Jeff's Little Engine Service it’s not a fact, it’s an opinion. Half the problems are the way the mower frame is designed.
Briggs has been going downhill for years too. Weak compression releases that break often, plastic cams (not just the gears, but the actual cam lobes as well), the Intek twins (older Vanguard design was much better), head gasket failures, etc.....
Those are not bad engines you just lazy and like to do things the easy way
guilty....
I use 2 feeler gauges to set the coils. I've never had any problems doing it that way
That ring gear will break the new starter.
Use a business card to set the gap....work smarter not harder. Every second you waste cost money and effort. Dont over think it, its not the space shuttle
.012 is usually the correct measurement not a business card. But in a pinch that will work
You broke the snap on plastic air screen cover by not using the screwdriver properly ! You should have placed the screwdriver under the plastic cover and used slight pressure up and it releases easily . I know because I have done this twice for cleaning.
good tip
Just found your video and your top secret information did the trick. The conversion kit for the coils totally worked. I just doubled the price of my mower as I was going to offload it. The mower works (almost) like new. Thanks Brother. Be well.
glad it helped
You don't have to take cover bolt all the way out all and before you pull the screen off you pull the outside cover off in the screen pops right off
I have a problem with one of this, when it runs it smoks a lot and runs bad, if i pinch the hose coming from the valve cover to the fuel pump after a while it runs well, does somebody had the same problem?
Thanks for the warning. I will never buy a Kohler
Me neither
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Lol!!!!! Hi Mikey
Haha!
I'm always aggravated
Hhahahahah Your secret is safe with me!!!
Replacement coils are on eBay for 13$ each.
Stainless0521 replacement coils
Business card will work for gap
if you have no spark with your riding mower there is a ground lead coming fromthe key switch the M lead when you turn the key to run or start that ground should be gone thats the lead that cuts the eng off when you turn the key off make sure if you can that lead dont stay grounded by a skined wire touching the mower body this ma save going into magnito
Toss the engine and install a briggs vanguard vtwin or a kawasaki.... LMAO
Get a battery powered ratchet man! Lol
im having troubles getting my ride on to run it just stopped it goes with the cylinders primed by hand and funnel and ive put on a new pump so ive ordered a twin plug wire coil
wish i knew what the trouble is its all we have to mow with
and im sure it would cost a fortune for an electric rideon
I think they must be using engineers from the toilet division of Kohler to make some of these engines. It’s a shame because they used to make reliable engines like my Command 23 that I just retired. Bought new in 1999 and still running in 2022 when I parked it albeit a little noisy.
LOL! The old ones were better for sure
Would ignition System cause a Kohler 27 HP Courage to run for 15 minutes but then start running rough when it gets warm. Every once in a while, it will kick in and run okay for a few minutes only to do it again. Any ideas would be appreciated. Sometimes it will run rough and then backfire. Craftsman 54" Riding mower.
Similar here. Searching is telling me ignition coils get hot and hinky after a while. Not getting a tester. Just going to replace the pair at about $15 each. It's an '06 Courage that just turned 1,040 hrs. Only prob I've had was 10-gear starters were yearly replacements until getting 9-tooth and smooth sailing since. And I had dirt in the fuse holder clipped to the "firewall". Overall, it sounds like I got lucky considering the talk here.
i have a 1998 kohler twin 20hp on 46 in craftsman it purrs like kitten all it takes is TLC and a buchet full of new parts
The only problems I have is once a year have to replace a fuel pump power is great
some times you just have to cut the lose. Nice job
Jeff...I have a question regarding my Kohler Engine I bought it used to remod a Bobcat Zero turn and the name plate is gone off of the shroud. Is there any other way to Identify those numbers
Have a Kohler 17hp. on a craftsman Lt 1000 Bought in 2000. I see the 26hp. Cranked right up. My 17hp turns over for about 10 seconds before it runs. Have to choke it. Even if it is hot. What causes this. What can I do to fix it?
My experience with warm start problems is that the carb needs cleaning and or rebuilding(needs new float needle valve). It is probably getting too much gas when restarting when warm.
Well.kohler your mistake is going to cost people a lot money ☹️☹️ $100 plus labor ouch ☹️☹️ old school.coils are better great job on that fix jeff 👍👍would a business card be the same thickness as the metal.feeler gauge 🙄🙄?? Now starter motor price for the kohler one ouch ☹️☹️after market one nicw price 😃😃
I think a business card comes is 0.014 in thick.
@@jeffryblackmon4846 okay i say you have your A GAME on sir
@@robertmailhos8159 Thank you.
@@jeffryblackmon4846 you are most welcome 😃😎
Yes the bill was getting too high. When I found the broken ring gear teeth I almost declined to fix everything else. The final bill was $330.00
Tell us how you really feel about Kohler
Kohler is CRAP! LOL! thank you for asking
Hey man! I’ve got the same POS engine. Kohler SV735s. Twin OHV Courage 26hp. Except it’s on a Cub.
And my name is Jeff so I’m gonna watch this video lol
These engines are so damn finicky and sensitive. You’ll hurt it’s feelings just by looking at it wrong and it won’t start.
Biggest headache I’ve ever owned.
After cycling through endless troubleshooting options, I’m about to yank the flywheel and see if I have a sheared key or something.
I’ll try ignition coils if it’s not the key or a compression issue.
Nice to know that it’s not just me having issues on this pile of crap engine
LOL! thanks for the comment. Yes the coils are a common problem on this piece of crap.
@@JeffsLittleEngineService yet that one mightve been slightly more pile of crappy!
I only have 1 wire going to each coil.
4??? 🤷🏼♂️
Use a business card to gap the coil. Does both sides at once!
Order the coils on eBay - 13$ each!!! not 89 for that 'kit'...
If you buy the eBay coils - DON'T CUT OFF THE HARNESS! Don't cut ANY wires.
Use the existing harness, and plug the connector WHITE part into the coil tab.
The green wires are grounded to the carbureator.
The little yellow wire of the coil plugs into the GREEN part of the connector!
good tips! Not sure i would trust a $13 coil though
@@JeffsLittleEngineService why not? And they have $11 coils at eBay item number 153356380528 but you have to use diodes so the coils don't short each other out so pick up a set of 10 1n4007 diodes on ebay for maybe $5,grab some spare wire and splice into the white wire on the harness and for under $30 you have new coils.
Anyone filming 5+ minutes of removing air shroud is not the guy I want advice from...
sorryman my bad
Takes Courage to own one!!!
Haha!
A tip, run a marine battery terminal and run a ground to motor, frame and harness.
I hope this helps with my 27HP Kohler Courage. It went from running to not starting back up in the same day. I didn’t realize that the coils required 12v! I unhooked the wiring harness and tried starting it in case I had a ground or ignition issue. No wonder that it still wouldn’t start. But it did show spark on the plugs… maybe without the 12V it doesn’t have strong enough spark. I may try the conversion kit because nothing else seems wrong to be causing the no start.
It is a common failure on a a bad design
The old wiring harness was suppose to be taken off for the coils. Not wire tied down to the intake. You have to make sure the Fuel Cut off solenoid has power to it when the ignition switch is turned on..
To much for him.. cause.. it's a big piece of poopy crap.. to him..
Also known as more technology.
Why not just cut/remove the unused wires from the old system ... get them out of the way for good?
I thought the same
Why in your honest opinion why are the crap
My opinion is that parts prices and availability have not been good over the years. and the Kohler Courage single cylinder engine is a total lemon , I have seen many with a broken crankcase due to the carburetor flooding gas into the oil compartment.
@@JeffsLittleEngineService true about the gas but that's been alot of engines and carbs even older ones
That’s right just put a business card in between there and you have done that’s a wrap
The old Kohler engines are great engines i have an 18hp in my 78 homelight Jacobson it went through 5 foot grass and did not even bog down but the pully broke off of the dech so i dont use that for mowing anymore
It is always nice to hear good stories about Kohler products
cry baby
not all kohlers are bad every engine manufaturers have some bad models older engines and some newers are good too. if i wasthe customer i would replace the ring gear starter and anything else wrong or broken i do not just replace i repair a real mechanic can repair like you jeff thanks for sharing
thanks for watching
This guy's a Hack!
Hackin' my way to success for 30 years! LOL
Where does the kill wire go is it on the key switch or where
Do you tell what after market parts companies to use in a video?
I only use Stens or Rotary aftermarket parts if possible. OEM is always best