Your theory is correct. But to see real air temperature increase would mean having the same rpm on fan, if the fan was on the same speed, difference would be lower, but still present. Therefore reduced fan speed can lead to a hotter air output and a better thermal conductor can lead to higher temperatures of heatsinks and lower temperatures of the source. To increase chances for that xbox to work longer without failure would mean to manually increase fan speed to keep APU even cooler under load. But you know all that already :) and I think you just wanted to animate the discussion under video and you got me ;) Cheers
Important question, what kind of thermal pads are those found on the memory ram around the CPU ( green color circle pads). I've been looking everywhere and can't seem to find them.
They are normal thermal pads, just shaped in circles. If you need new ones just buy some good ones like over 6W/mK and cut them to pieces that cover whole gddr chip, but first measure their thickness to buy the right one.
@@w3r3wolf no they are not normal they are like clay you can actually reshape them. I tried different thermal pads but non seem to work, either they are too thick or too thin. It feels like Microsoft did this on purpose so you would have to fix your console through them.
Heat transfer coefficient of the liquid metal is higher than that of the thermal paste. So it moves more energy(heat) to the heat sink. Increasing the temperature of the heat sink also increases the difference in temperature between the heat sink and ambient air which allows for better cooling even at lower air flow speed (slower fan).
This really needed new thermal pads too. It makes a big difference. At least the ones on here were in okay shape and placed correctly so they were probably okay. Some of the ones on mine were barely touching the chips and one crumbled and was loose inside the Xbox. I don't like liquid metal due to its destructive nature and the slim margin for error. A good solid thermal paste like Noctua NT-H1 or Arctic Ceramique 2 will do 99% of the job with less risk, less expense, and easier application and cleanup. Also, these consoles benefit a LOT from an internal SSD and you might as well make that an upgrade too and make it a budget 2TB like a Samsung 870 Evo or something. All of that really takes the One X to the next level.
Well done & your thoughts in my opinion are correct. More heat transfer with LM therefore higher temps on air flowing out & slower fan speed since lower overall temps on components.
Hotter the air, and slower the means the cooling solution was more efficient and didn't need to ramp up the airflow to blow out the excess heat, that being said if your xbox is getting super loud and the air temp being expelled is semi cool, means the efficiency is too low for the system to effectively remove the heat.
I have done more than 50 CPU delidings and X box and either use q tips or toilet paper . It's not that serious. If you are going to overreact don't open the dam thing and keep running hot .
More heat is being pulled away from the apu, however i believe the airflow on the xbox one x is also directed over the psu so my concern would be that some of this hotter air will get pushed onto the psu as it travels over the apu. A thermal imaging camera would be the way to really know whats going on here. Would be interested to see that. All the same great video. Thanks
@Gaj I've always said air blowing over a heatsink is more effective than trying to suck the air away but while your talking about Microsoft, they obviously thought the psu needed some cooling as they designed it to have air blowing onto it. That really was my point and as you say they run hot anyway so more hot air isn't going to help much.
My thoughts: The fan is turning slower. Less air means the temperature will be higher for any given amount of power. Cooling fan controllers generally employ a rather generous hysteresis. A steady fan speed noise is less noticeable than a constantly changing one. Your thermal paste mod probably keeps you right under the temperature the fan controller needs to speed up the fan.
Please help. My XB1X keeps shutting off due to over heating, even after replacing thermal pads and thermal paste, as well as cleaning it all out. I’ve done a full system restart and I even upgraded the hard drive to an ssd. It sits in an open area with cool air flow. I tried calling Microsoft and all they said was “give us $250 and we’ll have a look at it”… not sure what I can do next for it. Open to any thoughts and suggestions. Thanks
@ 2:00 Where did you get the silicone modified conformal coating from? I have never repaired anything like this and I am unsure if this is just a "any type works" kind of thing or if you need to be pay attention to the exact type
I think the reason its warmer is the heat sensor is under the chip or in the chip (just guessing) not on the cooler, with better transfer of heat it does not detect the heat on the chip, with the heat not being picked up by the sensor the fan profile wont increase the fan speed causing the heatsink to heat up, that could cause other parts in the console to run warmer. I wonder if that could cause issues with caps or other components going bad over time because of the increased heat.
Yep. Same thought here more or less. It's hotter now because the chip is running cooler but that's causing the fan rpm to be slower also why it's quieter. However the system has no other air mover and because it's allowing hotter air to exist on the heatsink and other components, you might be at a higher risk now of a premature system failure.
The “silicone conformal coating” may be interfering with the temp/fan sensor. I don’t think it’s really even necessary if the liquid metal is applied carefully.
@@ajdrig Yeah I just watched it. Supposedly long term use of liquid metal will corrode copper, and it looks it was in the process of doing that by imbedding into it.
Why not to use regular good quality thermo compound like Gelid GC Extreme or Noctua? That's not a highly overcloocked CPU and don't required liquid metal. With good thermal paste final effect will be the same but cheaper, easier and saver.
Doesn't Liquid metal dry up when in contact with copper after a while (reaction)? I've heard that the heat sink surfaces need to be nickel plated to resolve this.
Dosnt liquid metal get absorbed into copper though? It ends up ruining the thermal conductivity and then you need to put more on and sand the contact surface?
Should test the difference with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut vs the stock paste. Much safer for most people to use and doesn't need to be replaced over time. Also the wolfenstein 2: colossus demo works great to check console noise. Right when you get the guns you can sit there and it will ramp up the fan in a few minutes.(manual save for quick reloads) If you really want to max out the fan move to the next room and shoot the oxygen tanks point blank.
@@Tronicsfix well the only problem is that after 10-20 minuetes of playing a game some message saying something about over heating pops up and the consle shuts off. Mabey the heat sync was truly important.
Is there an aftermarket drop-in replacement fan? I think the one in my Scorpio edition is dying and I'd like to find a new fan. Stfw isn't bringing up anything immediately useful as an Xbox One X fan replacement. Because while I'm in there doing the thermal coupling I might as well do the fan and swap out the drive for an SSHD.
It always disappoints me when I see folks using the silicone conformal coatings for this type of application and not the acrylic ones. They both do the same job but the acrylic type is significantly more dielectric which is a trait one would want for protection while using liquid metals. While the silicone types offer better durability (does not really effect longevity) unless it comes in physical contact with a lot of things for example a server that is coated and frequently pulled out and handled by hand. For folks who are paranoid even after using a conformal coating you can also put a layer of kapton tape over it which will also add significantly more electrical insulation and can easily handle the heat produced by a GPU die.
@@Tronicsfix TronicsFix, thank you very much for the tip. I was unaware of the viscous thermal paste. In my research everyone seems to use the term "thermal pad" interchangeably between thermal paste, thermal pad, thermal tape and vtp. I found a reddit post where someone was kneading the existing vtp into balls before reapplying it it to the ram. Letting the heat sink compress and fill the gaps like you would thermal paste on the cpu. Is this standard practice or even recommended to do if no other option is available?
@@uploaded113redone thanks. I want overkill if possible. I had a 3mm pad, I was expecting it to squish but it was too thick and pulled the heat sink away.
@@Tronicsfix is it better to use this paste for the chips then thermal pad as i replaced mine not long ago with some Gelid Solutions GP extreme Thermal pad with a 12W/mK it is a bit overkill but hell why not and the paste you say to use is only 5.3W/mK i have no idea what the stock paste was rated at. and the pads are 2mm thick to use can't use the overs as will not work as good or just not fit on the heatsink.
My xbox one s would crash itself, or go to the homescreen when I tried to play a game, for example, gta 5. Whenever gta got to the second half of installation, it would emit a buzzing sound from my TV. Then it would shut off the xbox. I tried again with black ops 3, except it sent me to the homescreen right after I started it up. Is it because there is no thermal paste? Or is it something else? I even tried power cycling and resetting the console. What could be causing it?
Electronic Engineer here: I agree with the theory on temps. The liquid metal does a better job of transferring heat out the back of the console. You should be seeing hotter air out the back. Also I didn't catch you mention that this needs to be redone periodically. Unlike thermal paste, liquid metal has to be replaced every few years or so. It doesn't age as well.
@TronicsFix can you tell me why the Xbox is so quiet compare to the PlayStation? What does Microsoft do that sony doesn’t? Plz reply am very curious thanks
Conductonaut is great. Since I’ve installed it on my ps4 pro’s heatsink/apu it’s so much more quiet. I’m wondering though why the one x needs it... I thought it has an efficient vapor chamber cooling solution.
@@Tronicsfix because the thermal paste is of poor quality, the vapor chamber heatsink is an old but efficient design but any heatsink will be poor with a basic mass produced cheap thermal paste on any console and mass produced pc, thats why a lot of modders pc maker's always buy aftermarket thermal paste.
@@nickmanhota324 so i heard xbox uses cheap thermal paste that breaks down after your warranty is over so then u have to spend mad money just to have Microsoft fix something they knew was going to happen to the xbox after the 1 year manufactures warranty expires which imo is stranger noone has ever tried sueing them for that.
Is there a more detailed guide for taking the Xbox one x apart? That’s my only worry in attempting this and where do u actually get that liquid metal stuff?
At the beginning of the video, I really thought you sawed the radiator). Is it possible to easily remove the aluminum radiator, without destroying the vct panel, for installing a copper radiator on it?
If fan is running slower the air can pick up more heat on each pass through xbox . Its more time exposed to heat sink before being removed .the question i would like answered is why is fan running slower . (Hopefully the fan is not controled by temperature and your modification insulated the sensor someway thus not allowing the fan to increase speed to acheive much needed cooling of vital electronics.
Had a question cant seem to find the fix for my friend's xbox just keeps freezing, cleared cache, removed internal memory running off USB now, new heat paste and cleaned but keeps freezing on the dash board any suggestions
So adding metal liquid makes the fan run quiet but the temperature goues up by 20c. Just that the loud fan affects nothig, but the heat screws the internal components so I guess its not a good option
Conformal coatings can be used on any circuitry. He used it to prevent a short circuit if the liquid metal runs off the chip. Just Google it and you'll learn all about it.
Just got around to replacing the paste in my launch model Xbox one this year with thermal grizzly kryonaut. The fan is so much quieter now. For some reason I had to factory reset my Xbox after I was done. Anybody have an idea why?
Thank you for your RUclips videos! I like it and it is a big help for me. I'm also trying to optimize the cooling of my XBOX ONE X and PS4PRO. I believe there are many possible reasons why the output air is getting so hot with the new thermal paste. 1. The transport of the heat is better. 2. The area where the thermal sensors checks the temperature gets better cooling, so the fan runs slower and other parts without thermal sensors getting hotter. Would be nice to know. You could only find out if you check the temperature of more areas of the Xbox before your optimization and after. For example with a thermal cam or extra sensors. I would do it, but I dont't have the equipment. Sorry! My optimized XBOX ONE X: - Thermalpaste Grizzly Kryonaut - Thermalpads Grizzly Minuspad 8, 2mm My XBOX is still getting warm but it is also quiet. It was and is more quiet than my optimized PS4PRO. Sorry that I don't have the epuipment to check noise and temp. Would also be nice to know what you get with my thermal pads. If you want, I can post you what I did to my PS4Pro. There was a lot more to do. ;)
apply artic mx-4 to my xbox one x and the fan still sounds very loud, my question is if applied artic silver 5 is better? and improve the sound of it or not? thanks.
I have a cooling fan on mine should i still use lm too i get kinda worried because my fans push a heck of a lot of heat out more than i feel should come through and out?
Hey so a blue mark appeared on my switch screen. I think its burn in? My question is would it be the digitizer or the lcd? I’m thinking of sending it to you guys. Closest repair shop to me that fixes switches is 4 hrs away. Its ridiculous
The heat transfer rate (Q) is proportional to the mass of the air exhausted every second (m) times the temperature difference between the exhausted air and the ambient air (∆T). In mathematical terms: Q ∝ m * ∆T Since the heat *generated* by the CPU remains the same, Q remains constant.* So if m decreases (bc of slower fans) ∆T must increase. *Even if the absolute temperature of the CPU is higher in the first test, as long as the temperature is at equilibrium in both tests (that is not getting hotter or cooler as time goes on), the heat transferred to the air will be equal to the heat generated by the CPU.
Can anyone confirm the thermal pads used for the ram? I need to replace mine. Microsoft sent me a really loud replacement console this week and my warranty is due to expire in a week. I replaced the thermal paste and now it is nice and quiet, but the thermal pads on the ram had cracked, crumbled, and dried out. I don't want to leave it in that state long-term.
Your assumption that the lm is conducting heat better out of the xbox holds water with me,actually.Fancy having that heat staying INSIDE the console? Not me.l would have liked to know if the framerate improved,though.
but I ask you did this after the guarantee ended on your device right cause u have to open the console and break the Microsoft seal the console have in the front
why the temp is higher? cause the temp transfer works better now, so (lets say) the 100°C cpu "gives" the cooler not only 45% of the temp, biut 60% now. the gigher the air-temp on output, the better the cooling works.
You said it all, heat transfert, heat expelling, did you try when in sleep mode? the mode that doesn't turn off completly, for fast booting. it is in the power saving section in system menu, nice video
I agree with your theory, it's dissipating the heat better so the output temps are higher, if the chip was running hotter you would expect the fan to increase instead of decrease. Time to take my 1X apart it appears lol.
Is the heatsink pure copper or an alloy that the LM will eat away over time? I imagine that it would not be pure in order to save on cost. Can you do a follow up video over extended time?
I’m having issues with my Xbox one x. It keeps overheating. I have had the thermal paste replaced by a technician at a local repair place. Still having issues. Any ideas?
Mine was doing the same thing due to inadequate ventilation. Make sure the vents are clean & clear of obstructions. DO NOT PLACE INSIDE A TV STAND CABINET/ENCLOSED SHELF.
Has anyone tried this on PS4 CUH-12xx Series yet? Because I don't know if the Liquid Metal will damage the STEEL heat sink or not. My research said the heat sink on these 12xx series is made of steel instead of aluminum in the 10xx & 11xx. I just bought a Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut and want it on my PS4 very badly. Please confirm. Thanks.
Hey could you make a video showing ways to cool or keep cool as max as possible on the launch PS4? Even a clean PS4 with changed thermal paste makes a lot of fan noise and generally runs hot. Thanks!
i did my xbox one x i just used thermal paste and replaced the thermal pads as well as it a 3 years old and they were dry and cracking so doing this is worth it a lot. The noise before this was blowing full speed when on games like new cod and 4k games now i redid it fan does not speed up as much and warmer air out the back. so the warmer the air out the back the better it at cooling it down. this is a must for consoles that are out of warranty and old advise not to do it in warranty as it will void it so if anything breaks in future bare that in mind.
Stupid question....? :) if you have all off, and clean all off.. and re do the cool paste... , can you add some mx4 or others , to the chips around the base chip? or would that be.. as stated.. Stupid? :) thnx
Hi, my Xbox One X fan gets so loud when playing 4k games, it is super quiet on other games. So I have everything I need now to follow this video and try to lessen the fan noise, improving the heat transfer from the chip. But ... before I proceed, I have some concerns. Firstly, it looks like the main chip is raised, higher than the smaller ones surrounding it, does the liquid metal not simply run off the main chip leaving little to no liquid metal on the chip itself in the long run? Secondly, the old past looked thick, allowing the heat sink to link with the chip via the paste, but the liquid metal is a thin layer on both the chip and the heat sink, does the heat sink still actually touch the chip, or just float above it? Please can someone answer these two questions so I have the confidence to attempt this procedure. Thank you :) EDIT : I have just seen the additional video, where the liquid metal is suspected to have imbedded into the copper heat sink damaging it. Given that is it recommended I just replace the paste? Maybe with Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Paste? Any advice is appreciated. I intend to apply either liquid metal or the thermal past in about a week.
@@shockwave2197 I’ve sorted it long term and will never need to open it again. Basically instead of paste which dries out after a few months, or liquid metal that would corrode the heat sink ... I ended up resorting to a piece of carbon. You can buy one of those for chips now. Don’t touch it with your hands, carefully cut it with scissors down to the size of the surface of the chip. Then put the heat sink carefully back on top without dislodging it. That will lock it into place on the chip. Do all that after cleaning all the old paste off the chip and heat sink. It still was slightly noisy when playing 4k games which pushed it, but no where near where it was before. The carbon will never run dry out, so good for the life of the machine 😄
My Xbox one X is turning off mid game. nothing is spilled or anything like that. blew all the dust out an its still turning off. It completely spazzed out an it switches between party then home screen then shuts off
Have I understood correctly? Some Xboxes (Original, S and X) run quiter than others? my friends Xbox One (Day One Edition) sounds like a freaking jet engine and mine is barely even audible when i put my ear against it
Can someone please explain to me why my XB1X console wont power on and boot up with a steady source of power and a perfectly fine power cord? My console shows signs of receiving power. But nothing else. Its almost like it trys to start up. But quickly disconnects itself from power before any visuals can show up on my display. Ive concluded that there has to be something wrong internal with the console itself. Southbrige chip? Dried thermal paste? Any idea of what it could be?
My Xbox one x blows at its hardest level when playing any game and gets very hot and idk what to do I have no money because I'm 15 and don't want to take it apart what do I do ?
The heat transfer is why it's hotter air means 2 things. Better conductivity or u really messed up. Considering the fan is that much quieter it's the plus when factoring in everything else.
the extra heat may be getting expelled!, but! the big concern is that the much greater level of heat is being created in the first place after swapping thermal paste ( imo ).
I've been wanting to know the answer to that, is the temperature of the chipset calculated within the chipset or is there a thermostat somewhere attached to the heat sink that determines when the cooling fan kicks in?
WhatTheDeuce47 D afaik it’s the chip itself. Then that reports to something on the motherboard that tells the fan to spin faster/slower. Basically the chip is cooler (more heat transferred) so the fan runs slower. In theory the calibration could be off at this point (do we want the heat sink to be that warm?) so the fan should run a bit faster, but I am seriously out of my depth when it comes to thermal science and computing.
After 4 years of using my xbox one x, i've had trial and error assembling for about a year. Nowadays, i can't seem to let it go. The easiest and simplest xbox designs ever, i love it. 😂
I think you may have interfered with the thermal sensor which is why the fan isn't running like it's supposed to and the temp jumped by 28 degrees. I think it's impossible to a chip to run cooler if the exhaust is hotter.
Question, anyone else's console slightly bent at the back from the heat output? I notice that the back of mine is slightly out of shape, where i can see that it isn't completely square with a slight bend.
@@Tronicsfix I know right? I can only find one reddit post from someone else with the same problem, I noticed it when changing my hdmi cable, the part the stood out was the separation between the 2 main pieces of the case, its probably only 1-2mm but still enough to notice, have you checked yours to see if it has bent at all? Just out of curiosity.
I used some Corsair tm30 ($8 on Best Buy) I also put some on the backside of the apu ( where it’ll make contact with that lil pad) now my one x is SILENT. Really concerning cause it makes no noise at all. Now no more crashing and random cut offs.
What was your favorite part? Why do you think the output air was so hot?
Cause xbox one x is fire?
Your theory is correct. But to see real air temperature increase would mean having the same rpm on fan, if the fan was on the same speed, difference would be lower, but still present. Therefore reduced fan speed can lead to a hotter air output and a better thermal conductor can lead to higher temperatures of heatsinks and lower temperatures of the source. To increase chances for that xbox to work longer without failure would mean to manually increase fan speed to keep APU even cooler under load. But you know all that already :) and I think you just wanted to animate the discussion under video and you got me ;) Cheers
Important question, what kind of thermal pads are those found on the memory ram around the CPU ( green color circle pads). I've been looking everywhere and can't seem to find them.
They are normal thermal pads, just shaped in circles. If you need new ones just buy some good ones like over 6W/mK and cut them to pieces that cover whole gddr chip, but first measure their thickness to buy the right one.
@@w3r3wolf no they are not normal they are like clay you can actually reshape them. I tried different thermal pads but non seem to work, either they are too thick or too thin. It feels like Microsoft did this on purpose so you would have to fix your console through them.
Heat transfer coefficient of the liquid metal is higher than that of the thermal paste. So it moves more energy(heat) to the heat sink. Increasing the temperature of the heat sink also increases the difference in temperature between the heat sink and ambient air which allows for better cooling even at lower air flow speed (slower fan).
The air is hotter due to better heat transfer from the APU which is good!
This really needed new thermal pads too. It makes a big difference. At least the ones on here were in okay shape and placed correctly so they were probably okay. Some of the ones on mine were barely touching the chips and one crumbled and was loose inside the Xbox. I don't like liquid metal due to its destructive nature and the slim margin for error. A good solid thermal paste like Noctua NT-H1 or Arctic Ceramique 2 will do 99% of the job with less risk, less expense, and easier application and cleanup. Also, these consoles benefit a LOT from an internal SSD and you might as well make that an upgrade too and make it a budget 2TB like a Samsung 870 Evo or something. All of that really takes the One X to the next level.
Higher air temperature would mean that the liquid metal is doing a better job transferring the heat from the “Scorpio Engine” , onto the heat sink.
Well done & your thoughts in my opinion are correct. More heat transfer with LM therefore higher temps on air flowing out & slower fan speed since lower overall temps on components.
Good that you included showing the coating step, people often forget that.
Hotter the air, and slower the means the cooling solution was more efficient and didn't need to ramp up the airflow to blow out the excess heat, that being said if your xbox is getting super loud and the air temp being expelled is semi cool, means the efficiency is too low for the system to effectively remove the heat.
Surely using a cue tip that the micro fibres would come off onto the liquid metal??
Guess not. Either they don't come off or it doesn't matter if they do. The manufacturers instructions specifically say to use them.
Mine came with a special all black applicator q-tip. It definitely wasn't cotton so no worries there.
I have done more than 50 CPU delidings and X box and either use q tips or toilet paper . It's not that serious. If you are going to overreact don't open the dam thing and keep running hot .
want you to know, i used this as a guide to tear down my xbox one x, and replace the thermal paste with liquid metal. worked perfectly!!! thank you!
Might be to late but change that paste, liquid metal will corrode it
More heat is being pulled away from the apu, however i believe the airflow on the xbox one x is also directed over the psu so my concern would be that some of this hotter air will get pushed onto the psu as it travels over the apu. A thermal imaging camera would be the way to really know whats going on here. Would be interested to see that. All the same great video. Thanks
Good idea. Might have to invest in one of those!
You can replace the disc drive no problem...just have to swap the green board over to the replacement drive.
@Gaj I've always said air blowing over a heatsink is more effective than trying to suck the air away but while your talking about Microsoft, they obviously thought the psu needed some cooling as they designed it to have air blowing onto it. That really was my point and as you say they run hot anyway so more hot air isn't going to help much.
@Gaj there is a method to change the HDD but its obviously not as easy as the ps4. Fingers crossed we won't have to do that anytime soon. 🤞
your great at fixing these things but as a comic well .... Thanks for the great videos.
45 celsius is really cool, wow. Your theory about more efficient heat transfer is correct.
My thoughts: The fan is turning slower. Less air means the temperature will be higher for any given amount of power.
Cooling fan controllers generally employ a rather generous hysteresis. A steady fan speed noise is less noticeable than a constantly changing one.
Your thermal paste mod probably keeps you right under the temperature the fan controller needs to speed up the fan.
Please help. My XB1X keeps shutting off due to over heating, even after replacing thermal pads and thermal paste, as well as cleaning it all out. I’ve done a full system restart and I even upgraded the hard drive to an ssd. It sits in an open area with cool air flow. I tried calling Microsoft and all they said was “give us $250 and we’ll have a look at it”… not sure what I can do next for it. Open to any thoughts and suggestions. Thanks
Are you sure your fan is working lol
whats the benefits of liquid metal over thermal paste? my xbox one x really needs sorting out its overheating massively
My xbox x is very quiet indeed and runs cooler than my ps4 pro and even a lot quieter.
Yep, they are usually fairly quiet.
Same
Dennis Rogers Same here. My day one X is pretty quiet too and far quieter than the Pro when pushed by an intense game.
Same here. PS4 pro can be loud sometimes
Gaming-Unit G-U ye only at the games that are Harder to handle
@ 2:00 Where did you get the silicone modified conformal coating from? I have never repaired anything like this and I am unsure if this is just a "any type works" kind of thing or if you need to be pay attention to the exact type
I think the reason its warmer is the heat sensor is under the chip or in the chip (just guessing) not on the cooler, with better transfer of heat it does not detect the heat on the chip, with the heat not being picked up by the sensor the fan profile wont increase the fan speed causing the heatsink to heat up, that could cause other parts in the console to run warmer. I wonder if that could cause issues with caps or other components going bad over time because of the increased heat.
Yep. Same thought here more or less. It's hotter now because the chip is running cooler but that's causing the fan rpm to be slower also why it's quieter. However the system has no other air mover and because it's allowing hotter air to exist on the heatsink and other components, you might be at a higher risk now of a premature system failure.
The “silicone conformal coating” may be interfering with the temp/fan sensor.
I don’t think it’s really even necessary if the liquid metal is applied carefully.
You probably have to do a fan mod after the liquid metal to help move the heat
Wouldnt a QTip risk leaving behind micro fibers preventing solid contact? I personally have never used them when applying anything to the CPU.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. And I also thought liquid metal was not to be used with copper heatsinks.
@@LousWRXYeah, He has a newer video showing how it molded with the copper.
@@ajdrig Yeah I just watched it. Supposedly long term use of liquid metal will corrode copper, and it looks it was in the process of doing that by imbedding into it.
Why not to use regular good quality thermo compound like Gelid GC Extreme or Noctua? That's not a highly overcloocked CPU and don't required liquid metal. With good thermal paste final effect will be the same but cheaper, easier and saver.
Doesn't Liquid metal dry up when in contact with copper after a while (reaction)? I've heard that the heat sink surfaces need to be nickel plated to resolve this.
I'm going to be doing a teadown on this X in a month or so to see how the heat sink looks.
@@Tronicsfix Did you do this?
@@Tronicsfix Can you please do this, it would be very informative as to know if yes or no the fears are justified or not using this liquid metal.
‘A good rule of thumb is never use reciprocating saws on games consoles.’ i need that on a shirt 😂
its better heat transfer, the APU die is way cooler than the stock one
This would be correct.
That's what I think too.
Dosnt liquid metal get absorbed into copper though? It ends up ruining the thermal conductivity and then you need to put more on and sand the contact surface?
4:01
Did you just try to put the Q tip with LM on the PCM?
Should test the difference with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut vs the stock paste. Much safer for most people to use and doesn't need to be replaced over time.
Also the wolfenstein 2: colossus demo works great to check console noise. Right when you get the guns you can sit there and it will ramp up the fan in a few minutes.(manual save for quick reloads) If you really want to max out the fan move to the next room and shoot the oxygen tanks point blank.
Need to replace metal is overrated from my experience. I've had some on my cpu for like 5 years.
1:00 thats how I removed my heat sync
Ha, ha...nice!
@@Tronicsfix well the only problem is that after 10-20 minuetes of playing a game some message saying something about over heating pops up and the consle shuts off. Mabey the heat sync was truly important.
Ya, they're there for a reason!
@@Tronicsfix oh snap
when you cant afford a pry tool so you have to use a sawsall
Artic silver 5 i'ts okey for xbox one x? Serious question
Is there an aftermarket drop-in replacement fan? I think the one in my Scorpio edition is dying and I'd like to find a new fan. Stfw isn't bringing up anything immediately useful as an Xbox One X fan replacement. Because while I'm in there doing the thermal coupling I might as well do the fan and swap out the drive for an SSHD.
It always disappoints me when I see folks using the silicone conformal coatings for this type of application and not the acrylic ones. They both do the same job but the acrylic type is significantly more dielectric which is a trait one would want for protection while using liquid metals. While the silicone types offer better durability (does not really effect longevity) unless it comes in physical contact with a lot of things for example a server that is coated and frequently pulled out and handled by hand.
For folks who are paranoid even after using a conformal coating you can also put a layer of kapton tape over it which will also add significantly more electrical insulation and can easily handle the heat produced by a GPU die.
Great video as always looking forward to the next one.
Thanks! Anything specific you liked the most?
Steve, I'm in a situation where I need to replace the thermal pads. What thickness pads am I supposed to get? 1.5mm thick? 2mm or 3mm?
They aren't thermal pads. It uses viscous thermal paste: amzn.to/2E4kdzr
@@Tronicsfix TronicsFix, thank you very much for the tip. I was unaware of the viscous thermal paste. In my research everyone seems to use the term "thermal pad" interchangeably between thermal paste, thermal pad, thermal tape and vtp.
I found a reddit post where someone was kneading the existing vtp into balls before reapplying it it to the ram. Letting the heat sink compress and fill the gaps like you would thermal paste on the cpu. Is this standard practice or even recommended to do if no other option is available?
@@full95one lots of people just use 2mm thermal pads , the paste is overkill anyways
@@uploaded113redone thanks. I want overkill if possible. I had a 3mm pad, I was expecting it to squish but it was too thick and pulled the heat sink away.
@@Tronicsfix is it better to use this paste for the chips then thermal pad as i replaced mine not long ago with some Gelid Solutions GP extreme Thermal pad with a 12W/mK it is a bit overkill but hell why not and the paste you say to use is only 5.3W/mK i have no idea what the stock paste was rated at. and the pads are 2mm thick to use can't use the overs as will not work as good or just not fit on the heatsink.
My xbox one s would crash itself, or go to the homescreen when I tried to play a game, for example, gta 5. Whenever gta got to the second half of installation, it would emit a buzzing sound from my TV. Then it would shut off the xbox. I tried again with black ops 3, except it sent me to the homescreen right after I started it up. Is it because there is no thermal paste? Or is it something else? I even tried power cycling and resetting the console. What could be causing it?
Electronic Engineer here: I agree with the theory on temps. The liquid metal does a better job of transferring heat out the back of the console. You should be seeing hotter air out the back. Also I didn't catch you mention that this needs to be redone periodically. Unlike thermal paste, liquid metal has to be replaced every few years or so. It doesn't age as well.
Interesting...I've heard that LM lasts the life of the console.
It may depend on the brand of LM. I have heard different brands last different amounts of time.
@@seanryanmetalhead I've been using liquid ultra for 5 years nonstop on an overclocked 3770k.
@TronicsFix can you tell me why the Xbox is so quiet compare to the PlayStation? What does Microsoft do that sony doesn’t? Plz reply am very curious thanks
Conductonaut is great. Since I’ve installed it on my ps4 pro’s heatsink/apu it’s so much more quiet. I’m wondering though why the one x needs it... I thought it has an efficient vapor chamber cooling solution.
yea but if its interface material isnt upto snuff it doesnt matter how good the vapor chamber is
I'm not sure I'd say it "needs" it in most cases, but it's sure quiet with it installed.
@@Tronicsfix because the thermal paste is of poor quality, the vapor chamber heatsink is an old but efficient design but any heatsink will be poor with a basic mass produced cheap thermal paste on any console and mass produced pc, thats why a lot of modders pc maker's always buy aftermarket thermal paste.
@@nickmanhota324 so i heard xbox uses cheap thermal paste that breaks down after your warranty is over so then u have to spend mad money just to have Microsoft fix something they knew was going to happen to the xbox after the 1 year manufactures warranty expires which imo is stranger noone has ever tried sueing them for that.
Is there a more detailed guide for taking the Xbox one x apart? That’s my only worry in attempting this and where do u actually get that liquid metal stuff?
The liquid metal reduced the sensors reading directing the fan to lower speed and averaging a higher output on the Ferenheight and Celcious scale
I'm so not doing that on my X
Fr not after paying $500
Actamayo 876 u don’t get the pun?
@James Bowles. would void warranty anyways lol.
Warranty in mind, 1 month old purchase.. I’ll skip on this. Curious though.
Ya sure man who will do it with there ex
At the beginning of the video, I really thought you sawed the radiator). Is it possible to easily remove the aluminum radiator, without destroying the vct panel, for installing a copper radiator on it?
No, it's not easy to remove. It looks to be riveted or welded on.
If fan is running slower the air can pick up more heat on each pass through xbox . Its more time exposed to heat sink before being removed .the question i would like answered is why is fan running slower . (Hopefully the fan is not controled by temperature and your modification insulated the sensor someway thus not allowing the fan to increase speed to acheive much needed cooling of vital electronics.
Where can I get Xbox one x all of the screws because I'm missing a couple and also what that green thermal stuff called ?
Had a question cant seem to find the fix for my friend's xbox just keeps freezing, cleared cache, removed internal memory running off USB now, new heat paste and cleaned but keeps freezing on the dash board any suggestions
So adding metal liquid makes the fan run quiet but the temperature goues up by 20c.
Just that the loud fan affects nothig, but the heat screws the internal components so I guess its not a good option
Hello tronix! Great vid!
Would the silicone coating also useful for the Playstation APU?
I only see this being used for Xbox One's s so i'm not sure if it has the same effect.
Conformal coatings can be used on any circuitry. He used it to prevent a short circuit if the liquid metal runs off the chip. Just Google it and you'll learn all about it.
@@ryanlandry8214 thank you very much for your informative reply 😅 i tried googling ps4 liquid silicone but nothing came up.
Thabks again though
@@VyralFPS no problem, glad I could help. 👍😉
Just got around to replacing the paste in my launch model Xbox one this year with thermal grizzly kryonaut. The fan is so much quieter now. For some reason I had to factory reset my Xbox after I was done. Anybody have an idea why?
where did you get the silicone I can't find the exact stuff you used. If anyone can help me with this please reply to my comment
Thank you for your RUclips videos! I like it and it is a big help for me. I'm also trying to optimize the cooling of my XBOX ONE X and PS4PRO. I believe there are many possible reasons why the output air is getting so hot with the new thermal paste.
1. The transport of the heat is better.
2. The area where the thermal sensors checks the temperature gets better cooling, so the fan runs slower and other parts without thermal sensors getting hotter.
Would be nice to know.
You could only find out if you check the temperature of more areas of the Xbox before your optimization and after. For example with a thermal cam or extra sensors. I would do it, but I dont't have the equipment. Sorry!
My optimized XBOX ONE X:
- Thermalpaste Grizzly Kryonaut
- Thermalpads Grizzly Minuspad 8, 2mm
My XBOX is still getting warm but it is also quiet. It was and is more quiet than my optimized PS4PRO.
Sorry that I don't have the epuipment to check noise and temp.
Would also be nice to know what you get with my thermal pads.
If you want, I can post you what I did to my PS4Pro. There was a lot more to do. ;)
apply artic mx-4 to my xbox one x and the fan still sounds very loud, my question is if applied artic silver 5 is better? and improve the sound of it or not? thanks.
I have a cooling fan on mine should i still use lm too i get kinda worried because my fans push a heck of a lot of heat out more than i feel should come through and out?
The fan speed (and this noise) is controlled according to CPU temp. Slower speed = lower temp. Hotter air out = more efficiency.
Hey so a blue mark appeared on my switch screen. I think its burn in? My question is would it be the digitizer or the lcd? I’m thinking of sending it to you guys. Closest repair shop to me that fixes switches is 4 hrs away. Its ridiculous
I would like to know if it's possible or even needed to replace the thermal pads? Could we do thermal paste instead of the pads? Thoughts?
Needed, no. Possible, yes. They aren't pads though...they are more of a thick thermal paste. Something like this should work: amzn.to/2KUumRP
The heat transfer rate (Q) is proportional to the mass of the air exhausted every second (m) times the temperature difference between the exhausted air and the ambient air (∆T).
In mathematical terms:
Q ∝ m * ∆T
Since the heat *generated* by the CPU remains the same, Q remains constant.* So if m decreases (bc of slower fans) ∆T must increase.
*Even if the absolute temperature of the CPU is higher in the first test, as long as the temperature is at equilibrium in both tests (that is not getting hotter or cooler as time goes on), the heat transferred to the air will be equal to the heat generated by the CPU.
Can anyone confirm the thermal pads used for the ram? I need to replace mine. Microsoft sent me a really loud replacement console this week and my warranty is due to expire in a week. I replaced the thermal paste and now it is nice and quiet, but the thermal pads on the ram had cracked, crumbled, and dried out. I don't want to leave it in that state long-term.
Your assumption that the lm is conducting heat better out of the xbox holds water with me,actually.Fancy having that heat staying INSIDE the console? Not me.l would have liked to know if the framerate improved,though.
but I ask you did this after the guarantee ended on your device right cause u have to open the console and break the Microsoft seal the console have in the front
Any type of upgrade like this will void your warranty.
Yikes..........whats your thought on arctic silver 5 ? LOL Busted out the power tools 😂
why the temp is higher?
cause the temp transfer works better now, so (lets say) the 100°C cpu "gives" the cooler not only 45% of the temp, biut 60% now.
the gigher the air-temp on output, the better the cooling works.
My xbox always turns of wen I play games due to over heating is putting thermal paste on fix this issue
You said it all, heat transfert, heat expelling, did you try when in sleep mode? the mode that doesn't turn off completly, for fast booting. it is in the power saving section in system menu, nice video
I agree with your theory, it's dissipating the heat better so the output temps are higher, if the chip was running hotter you would expect the fan to increase instead of decrease. Time to take my 1X apart it appears lol.
same
How long did the liquid metal hold up compared to paste?
Is the heatsink pure copper or an alloy that the LM will eat away over time? I imagine that it would not be pure in order to save on cost. Can you do a follow up video over extended time?
I can't say for sure what the exact mix of the metal is. I'll try to do a follow up video in a while.
TronicsFix LLC ...OMG of course it`s copper, for liquid metal thermal interface use only (Ni)Nickel base heat sink.
This is not how to use liquid metal
>Pulls out electric saw to remove heatsink
Instant like !
Ha, ha...thanks for the like! Maybe I should really saw it off next time.
Yes! That's what I was going for!
I put ice cubes on mine when it gets hot.
That's one way to keep it cool.
MrZACATECANO100 yeah
I’m having issues with my Xbox one x. It keeps overheating. I have had the thermal paste replaced by a technician at a local repair place. Still having issues. Any ideas?
Not in tight space is it?
Mine was doing the same thing due to inadequate ventilation. Make sure the vents are clean & clear of obstructions. DO NOT PLACE INSIDE A TV STAND CABINET/ENCLOSED SHELF.
Has anyone tried this on PS4 CUH-12xx Series yet? Because I don't know if the Liquid Metal will damage the STEEL heat sink or not. My research said the heat sink on these 12xx series is made of steel instead of aluminum in the 10xx & 11xx. I just bought a Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut and want it on my PS4 very badly. Please confirm. Thanks.
Hey could you make a video showing ways to cool or keep cool as max as possible on the launch PS4? Even a clean PS4 with changed thermal paste makes a lot of fan noise and generally runs hot. Thanks!
OT do you know any downloadable apps/program to check temp for a Laptop and consoles
Don't know of any for consoles.
for laptop how can i know my temp coz i dont have tools to know, thanks for answer my 1st question
i did my xbox one x i just used thermal paste and replaced the thermal pads as well as it a 3 years old and they were dry and cracking so doing this is worth it a lot. The noise before this was blowing full speed when on games like new cod and 4k games now i redid it fan does not speed up as much and warmer air out the back. so the warmer the air out the back the better it at cooling it down. this is a must for consoles that are out of warranty and old advise not to do it in warranty as it will void it so if anything breaks in future bare that in mind.
Stupid question....? :) if you have all off, and clean all off.. and re do the cool paste... , can you add some mx4 or others , to the chips around the base chip? or would that be.. as stated.. Stupid? :)
thnx
did you ever do a chip temp reading?
Nice ... I love your videos and your jobs...
Hey thanks!
@@Tronicsfix i have one question my ps4 is fat model what Is the best thermal paste for my model i apply MX4 ..
Idc if it warms on the back kinda worry on the cables tho they are next to the vents and they feel alot hot might one day smelt
Bro nice editing!
Thanks man!
Hi, my Xbox One X fan gets so loud when playing 4k games, it is super quiet on other games. So I have everything I need now to follow this video and try to lessen the fan noise, improving the heat transfer from the chip.
But ... before I proceed, I have some concerns. Firstly, it looks like the main chip is raised, higher than the smaller ones surrounding it, does the liquid metal not simply run off the main chip leaving little to no liquid metal on the chip itself in the long run? Secondly, the old past looked thick, allowing the heat sink to link with the chip via the paste, but the liquid metal is a thin layer on both the chip and the heat sink, does the heat sink still actually touch the chip, or just float above it?
Please can someone answer these two questions so I have the confidence to attempt this procedure.
Thank you :)
EDIT : I have just seen the additional video, where the liquid metal is suspected to have imbedded into the copper heat sink damaging it. Given that is it recommended I just replace the paste? Maybe with Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Paste? Any advice is appreciated. I intend to apply either liquid metal or the thermal past in about a week.
How did it turn out? I’m having the same issue
@@shockwave2197 I’ve sorted it long term and will never need to open it again. Basically instead of paste which dries out after a few months, or liquid metal that would corrode the heat sink ... I ended up resorting to a piece of carbon. You can buy one of those for chips now. Don’t touch it with your hands, carefully cut it with scissors down to the size of the surface of the chip. Then put the heat sink carefully back on top without dislodging it. That will lock it into place on the chip. Do all that after cleaning all the old paste off the chip and heat sink. It still was slightly noisy when playing 4k games which pushed it, but no where near where it was before. The carbon will never run dry out, so good for the life of the machine 😄
Steel Eagles how had was it tho after because when I say mine is noisy I mean 45-55 Db
@@shockwave2197 no noise for non 4k games, about half as loud for 4k games. Blast any dust out with a can of air as well whilst it’s open 😄
My Xbox one X is turning off mid game. nothing is spilled or anything like that. blew all the dust out an its still turning off. It completely spazzed out an it switches between party then home screen then shuts off
Have I understood correctly? Some Xboxes (Original, S and X) run quiter than others? my friends Xbox One (Day One Edition) sounds like a freaking jet engine and mine is barely even audible when i put my ear against it
Yes, some run quieter than others.
Assembly line thermal paste lol.
Can someone please explain to me why my XB1X console wont power on and boot up with a steady source of power and a perfectly fine power cord? My console shows signs of receiving power. But nothing else. Its almost like it trys to start up. But quickly disconnects itself from power before any visuals can show up on my display. Ive concluded that there has to be something wrong internal with the console itself. Southbrige chip? Dried thermal paste? Any idea of what it could be?
Unfortunately, I don't know what the problem might be with it. I'm still working to diagnose this type of issue.
Did you figure this out?
Its almost like my XB1X is going into some kind of protect?
Random Tube don’t waste time trying to fix it, just get cracking on the warranty replacement.
i get 60°c after change the thermal paste, i use artic cooling mx4, then is like you said, is better the tranfering betwen the APU and heatsink
man they wanted to keep that box cool solid copper plate that runs over dram and apu do you need to change liquid metal thermal paste often
I'm not sure yet. I'll probably take this back apart at some point and check it out.
ok
My Xbox one x blows at its hardest level when playing any game and gets very hot and idk what to do I have no money because I'm 15 and don't want to take it apart what do I do ?
brow the outside with some air duster or vacuum it from the back and sides
The heat transfer is why it's hotter air means 2 things. Better conductivity or u really messed up. Considering the fan is that much quieter it's the plus when factoring in everything else.
Why didn't you replace thermal pads?
the extra heat may be getting expelled!, but! the big concern is that the much greater level of heat is being created in the first place after swapping thermal paste ( imo ).
How is more heat being created?
I think ur theory is correct, if the fans are being controlled by a temp sensor in the chip then the liquid metal worked perfectly
I've been wanting to know the answer to that, is the temperature of the chipset calculated within the chipset or is there a thermostat somewhere attached to the heat sink that determines when the cooling fan kicks in?
WhatTheDeuce47 D afaik it’s the chip itself. Then that reports to something on the motherboard that tells the fan to spin faster/slower.
Basically the chip is cooler (more heat transferred) so the fan runs slower.
In theory the calibration could be off at this point (do we want the heat sink to be that warm?) so the fan should run a bit faster, but I am seriously out of my depth when it comes to thermal science and computing.
Tronics Fix I'm looking for an xbox one x top shell, were to get one from
After 4 years of using my xbox one x, i've had trial and error assembling for about a year. Nowadays, i can't seem to let it go. The easiest and simplest xbox designs ever, i love it. 😂
That intro had me say "what the fu!" out loud lol
I cant seem to find the liguid metal, i did find the grizzly but is that the 1 used here??
amzn.to/2I7wJiH
I think you may have interfered with the thermal sensor which is why the fan isn't running like it's supposed to and the temp jumped by 28 degrees. I think it's impossible to a chip to run cooler if the exhaust is hotter.
I’m a Playstation fan but I can’t argue with the quietness of the xbox
Can i change the thermal pads? And what is the thikness? Thanks
Good video bro!
Hey thanks!
Great video bro
Hey thanks!
Question, anyone else's console slightly bent at the back from the heat output? I notice that the back of mine is slightly out of shape, where i can see that it isn't completely square with a slight bend.
That's strange...I've never seen that.
@@Tronicsfix I know right? I can only find one reddit post from someone else with the same problem, I noticed it when changing my hdmi cable, the part the stood out was the separation between the 2 main pieces of the case, its probably only 1-2mm but still enough to notice, have you checked yours to see if it has bent at all? Just out of curiosity.
I used some Corsair tm30 ($8 on Best Buy) I also put some on the backside of the apu ( where it’ll make contact with that lil pad) now my one x is SILENT. Really concerning cause it makes no noise at all. Now no more crashing and random cut offs.