Everything including decisions in life, betting and trading the same thing applies, it's because we as humans are wired that way, we are set up to fail
It's true, although the opposite is true too: lots of people are honored, respected, and valued for perceived positives they don't actually (or no longer) possess. As our ability to measure and evaluate each other increases, it remains to be seen whether society and our lives will be improved.
Every time I watch scenes from this movie I can’t help but think that Jonah Hill absolutely KILLS IT. this is such a good movie, wish he got more roles like this
You know, the REALLY amazing part in Peter Brand's story isn't that he was able to derive easy to judge numbers, it was that everywhere he went, every time he spoke, he had a running background musical score that just made you want to believe!
Great writing. My favorite part was: Peter Brand : Wh-what time is it? Billy Beane : I don't know. Pete, would you have drafted me in the first round? Peter Brand : What? Billy Beane : After we talked, you looked me up. Would you have drafted me in the first round? Peter Brand : Yeah, I did. You-you were pretty good. Billy Beane : Cut the crap, Pete. Would you have drafted me in the first round? Peter Brand : I would have picked you in the 9th round. No signing bonus. I think that would have convinced you to accept that scholarship. Billy Beane : (pause) Pack your bags, Pete. I just bought you from the Cleveland Indians.
@@yomomma2054 Excellent chat between the two. They are both very eccentric, and as different as night and day, but they share some really core values and integrity. Paradoxical. 😊
Its even represented in smaller stuff like the technology. Peter comes in with a more advanced laptop, and the available computer in the records room is that old junky desktop. Bringin in the new and better to supplant the old. The guys working on the movie were on point with their shit.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq I have sold computers at CompUSA and then sold millions at Dell, you have no idea how certain industries used to also have computers that might as well be antiques.
The banners have a little more direct impact on the character than general symbolism IMO. They’re taking down the Giambi banner, an As star who just signed with the Yankees for a huge pay raise. Peter knows part of his job will be to find a replacement.
I love how Peter carries the baseball into the stats room. He may not have played much baseball but he sure did love the game as much as anyone else could.
@@timjones147 stats are stats they don't always add up and can be mistaken by averages made by errors. But if you do it right, chances go up that's a fact, but it's only a chance nomatter how high the chances are there is no 100% in sports. But it's a powerful weapon we cannot ignore
@@darylfoster7944 Lol, I get it but I don't think they are playing moneyball when they sign a near $250 million dollar guaranteed contract on a guy facing several felony charges, signing D. Ward to a huge contract and tanking the trade value of a QB putting them on the hook for $18 million dollars guaranteed.
This film makes you wonder if *you* are undervalued---and then makes you wanna find out. This is at the very core of this film and it's why people who don't normally watch sports movies gravitate to this one. If you've ever genuinely felt like an outcast, underappreciated, ignored, or misunderstood, this film has something to say to you---and probably gives you some hope for yourself.
Peter Brand is taking what he learned about value investing and applying it where he landed. Makes me think we all have room for that. It's not just a big market thing and it's not just a baseball thing. There are people in all of our lives who are undervalued -- who could be doing more for themselves and for the people around them if they were identified and given the nudge they need.
It's a Hollywood film that was designed to carry a narrative that, based on your answer did it's engineered purpose. Not to be a debby downer but what Lewis and this film neglect to mention is is that the A's during the era had 3 of the best pitchers in baseball that were developed in their farm system as a result of good drafting which had nothing to do with utilizing undervalued statistics. Not to mention they had Miguel Tejada who was a perennial all star signed internationally. But revealing these significant factors takes away from the dream that clearly did a number on you and a lot of others. The typical response to this will be a form of defensive ego protection to say well what I said is either a kill joy or who cares it was entertaining (a deflection). What you might want to ask yourself is how do I make myself less susceptible to being told a story about something and completely fall for it because the same ppl who generate and engineer the responses that you stated which shows that what they did worked also sell you on a lot of other things like products you may not need. Just a heads up
There's a really good video/written presentation on this idea called "One Percent Better Elder Michael A. Dunn". It's religiously oriented on some of the included topics, but the underlying statistical element is that improving 1% on each thing as you encounter them will compound as you develop better habits and you'll have outsized improvement - uses a British cycling team progression as an example. (other references to LDS church scripture and gospel topics, but you can listen past those if not of interest and still get the gist of what's being spoken of as a general principle).
@@JG-oi5gg Organizations usually have a pretty good idea of who's undervalued and who's overvalued. Problem is : the overvalued people are working very hard to keep it that way and have a lot of extra time (since they don't work too hard) to make sure the undervalued people stay in the shadow.
One could argue that this film deserved the Best Picture more than the one who actually won it. Such a good film that still after a decade since being released still holds up.
This movie is so masterfully written and directed. It's a movie about ideas and math, and yet it manages to keep you on the edge of your seat for 2 hours and 13 minutes.
I have watched this film more than 5 times since it came out. I'm not from America, and I don't know anything about baseball. I also have no interest in the game. I don't know any of the players they are talking about, and I don't understand the jargon. However, there is something so captivating about the way the film is shot and written that makes it so enjoyable. I think that That is the biggest compliment a film like this can get. That someone who is completely out of touch with the subject matter can enjoy it so much. It's a comfort movie for me, and I think it's Aron Sorkin's best work.
Chad Bradford would sign with the Athletics for $235k. 5 years later in 2007, Bradford would sign a multi-year deal with the Baltimore Orioles making......$3 million a year.
Submarine pitchers are so effective for several reasons: They are few and far between and so even hitters in the Show rarely see them at any level of the game. The release point of the ball is 4-5 o'clock instead of 1-2 o'clock, and so hitters have trouble adjusting and can't pick it up. The ball is typically rising instead of following a downward path; while hitters generally try to hit up in the ball, and so will either pop up or hit a grass burner. The ball cuts differently when thrown underhand than when thrown overhand. It is easier to throw underhand and is less stressful on the shoulder and elbow than an overhand arm spiral.
I used to be in a line of work where we used SPC to keep track of and maintain as high of a level of quality as “humanly possible”, and I held a Six Sigma Green Belt for a time. This movie made me smile so many times. My use of statistics at work was simple compared to those the film describes. But like in the film I always thought of it as a secret weapon against waste and inefficiency.
I really love this part of the movie. We had a great set up where Beane describes "the problem", and laments how no one in his staff understands that problem, let alone can solve it. Cut a couple more scenes ahead, and he meets Peter Brand, who immediately NAILS the problem on the head and has everything needed to find a solution. It's really fun to watch these two meet, brainstorm, and then pick up steam with the team. I don't know much about baseball but I enjoy math, and this movie was really fun to watch, due to the creative problem solving.
It's that soundtrack. It just slowly swells up in this scene like a heartbeat. Like dawn. Like hope. It goes from sad despair, as the posters are taken down and everything sits in decline, to the sound of sunrise on the way. It's the sound of hope rising. And you can just -- just -- register that hope, fighting with fear, in 3:59, where Brad Pitt takes a sip from his cup and you can see just that little tremble in his hand.
The score of this film adds so much and Brad being so passionate as a GM, I assume Billy Bean was/is that passionate. As an artist and someone who doesn’t follow sports but goes to around 5 Reds games a year with the family. It’s such a true statement as an artist, and someone who is deeply emotional about the simple things in life, “how can you not be romantic about baseball”.
Even just watching the miscellaneous short clips from this movie (I've seen it once)...is enough to make me feel the excitement, all over again. Brad Pitt underplays his role and CRUSHES IT!!! In a seemingly restrained and quiet role, he shows he's the BEST! Jonah Hill, also underplaying a quiet role, is PERFECT! This is one of the great(est) baseball films of all-time.
The previous seasons banners falling with players that left and Peter entering the facility kinda visually signifies that there’s a new era in A’s baseball that’s replacing the old. But not only for the A’s the new era changed baseball forever pretty much sweeping the old era into the dustbin.
Only it wasn’t. The A’s of that era were great because they had great starting pitching. Not even a mention in the movie, but without it they were a significantly below .500 team.
@@staleydu1 Also, the A's from a decade earlier went to 3 straight world series, just like they did in the early 70s. If they were truly the runt of the litter, that wouldn't have been possible. This movie is a little overly dramatic about Oakland's prospects...
@@brianjacob8728 sport changes in the modern era because of the obscene amount of money introduced. the teams with the smaller budgets have a harder and harder time competing
This is one of those movies for me that I can watch over and over again. Regardless of the facts that were changed to feed the necessary conflict for a film, it is such a subtle, deep look at the psychology of the game behind the game. Old Guys fighting New Guard, as in general culture at large, resistance to change and loss of power. This story will always be timely.
"People are overlooked for a variety of biased reasons and perceived flaws." - I experienced that in sports. Growing up, I had thick glasses and got almost all A's in school. Coaches didn't see me as an athlete - though the other athletes did. I was never picked in for a school basketball team, though the team basketball players let me play with them outside of school. I got to pole vault - simply because going higher is an easily measurable metric for who is better. I learned to pole vault from library books (yes, I was that math and physics nerd) and lifting weights was also easy to do for me, so I was able to improve my pole vault performance.
For some reason, RUclips decides to show this in my feed. I remember watching this movie and being so immersed in it. Even to this day, I still wish there would be one year that the A's would finally be able to win it all. And that's coming from a small Boston Red Sox fan here. Player talents really shine brightly in people's eyes but it means nothing if the numbers say otherwise. And therein lies the hardest part, finding those talents with the numbers to back it up. It amuses me that, at the end of the film, it showed the moneyball idea inspired the Red Sox front office and eventually built the team that ended 80+ years of pain.
This is one of those movies you don't have to be a baseball fan or a statistic person. You'll still enjoy it cause it's just so well made and makes you care.
"How many'dja do?" "47." "Okay." "Actually, 51. I don't know why I lied just then." This is incredible writing. The lie was never questioned, and was immediately corrected by Peter, who then openly admitted that the lie served no purpose whatsoever, and even he didn't know why he said it. This never comes up again. That lie could have been left out of the script entirely, and it would have had zero impact on the movie. The writers didn't include that line because it served any purpose; they included it simply because it's something a guy like that would do out of nerves.
Good observation. I always thought it was Peter's nerves, then a quick realization that he doesn't need to lie to impress Billy. An instinctive "white lie" that was instantly regretted. Billy's demeanor in not questioning the lie, or why, is also a great tell into his character. He understood the anxiety involved. The writing was above fantastic in this film. Imo.
This is what separates Moneyball from almost every other movie out there. Most movies would’ve had the cliche scenes of him making mistakes and having an “adjustment period”, maybe even making his first day humorous. But real life isn’t like that. Peter brand was a Yale grad and a professional, and while emotional, he got right to business probably like it happened in real life
Because it's not REALLY a baseball movie. It's a movie about management and overcoming outmoded and entrenched ways of thinking in a conservative institution. Baseball just happens to be the backdrop for THAT story.
They had to take some liberties and make it seem like it was something that kind of dawned upon Billy out of nowhere. Truth is they were already prioritizing OBP and finding ‘defective’ players after LaRussa left and new ownership told Sandy Alderson they had to start running the team like a business, circa 1996. It didn’t just dawn on them after 2001. But that’s when Lewis started researching the project, and the focus was on 2002. But had they adhered strictly to the book and not taken some liberties, it may have been impossible to create a compelling movie. My only complaint is that too many who see the film won’t read the book, so they’ll come out of the theater thinking it was the way it was presented on screen. One thing they got right is that the game had passed many baseball men by. They were a stubborn lot of dinosaurs.
@@mattspychala7251 people at certain baseball sites lost their minds when the athletics traded for mabry this movie gets a lot more right than it gets wrong in terms of how fans were reacting to what beane was trying to do
Gotta say, Hats off to Mr. Beane. He took a 2nd market team to its best potential and contender status because he knew he couldn't compete with the big market teams. Gotta find another way to win; and he did. Just wish it could have been played closer to the vest and chalked it up to A's magic or sup'm.
Very well written film. Jonah constantly took pay cuts to work with brad and Leo. Shows he was a tire actor. Broad range. Not just a fat funny guy like Seth Rogan
I loved this movie, because the As brand of baseball using analytics has changed baseball for ever. People that often were over looked are now able to get slots and maximizing value for both players and the companies. This is more than just a baseball movie it is a business movie
Peter Brand is my favorite character in the movie. Despite being brand new to the team, you see this quiet confidence about him. He knows he is good at what he does. I love it.
Money Ball is one of those movies that will still be enjoyable to watch 10, 20, 30 years down the line. Like The Grinch, Saving Private Ryan, Avatar, Dredd, etc... etc... etc...
The island of misfit toys. Wow. First, awesome reference. Second, if you consider the metaphorical significance...no matter our flaws, even the horrible ones, we all have a place in this world. That's...encouraging. Didn't ever consider that until just now.
this is a master class. the ambiance and delivery just om point...RUclips keep recommending me this and i keep watching it every time. The algorithm on point too
The fact that he saw the value in his genius and what he was presenting. It's truly amazing. They didn't judge people for who they were but how they performed.
@@stpatrick7643 I mean…great performance. But not as iconic IMO as this. Snatch was amazing. And he was amazing in it. But he carries this film - in snatch, he was an accessory.
In a funny way, this reminds me of something that occurred to the Detroit Tigers. Back in the '80's, they had a third baseman named Tommy Brookens. Lifetime .250 hitter. 71 HR in his career. He was the poster boy for the term "journeyman ballplayer". Every year for about five or six years straight, the organization would bring in either a free agent, or a kid from the minors to take Brooken's place. And yet, every year by mid-June, the newcomer would be gone, and Tommy would be out there full time for the rest of the season. You couldn't explain it, but he had an impact all out of proportion to his numbers, and the fans loved him.
I remember him. He wasn't a star, but he worked well alongside Trammell and Whitaker, and could fill in where needed. I'm a Yankee fan, and they had Randy Velarde in a similar role. And Velarde was with the A's in 2002.
Brad and Jonah have been in a lot of fantastic movies. But this, imo, is their best by far. Besides how they made Grady and Howe look, (Hollywood needs a villain for the protagonists journey to seem more exciting) this film is almost perfect.
Yknow i love Jonah Hill and i always have. Fuck everyone who made fun of him for his weight, hes a fucking top notch actor, and deserves all the praise in the world, and its unfortunate he cant really find new roles since he lost weight.. Very saddening to see an actor go Downhill for improving his own mental and physical health standards for himself
Uhh, I don't think he has? He's made like a dozen plus movies since this came out? He made 21 and 22 Jump Street, some of his biggest hits, when he was at his skinniest? Also, he shifted more into directing and producing because he's always wanted to direct, that would be why he's done less in the past couple years acting wise. Except for a movie with 3 of the biggest stars on the planet......
Lovely movie. Billy had a problem and he found a scientific way to stay above the water and still be competitive. The most important thing here is with shoestring budget, they tried and showed my beloved A's can win and make the fans want to come see them in "our" shithole" coliseum. Also made Yankees look like idiots. I can live with that. Small budget teams need not suck, if they are willing to change their thinking.... This movie deserved oscar..
That was a terrific movie. Really sticks in my head. Things didn't work out so well for Billy Bean and the A's in the long run, though. But it was great while it lasted.
I think this movie is what planted the sea in my head to really pay attention to the new way that baseball is being played and embrace it as a fan, look at the stats and keep an eye on them
"I wanted you to see these player evaluations you asked me to do." "I asked you to do three, to evaluate three players. How many did you do?" "Forty seven." "Okay." "Actaully 51, I don't know why I lied just now."
Great movie. Love's the way he used numbers to cut through the misconceptions. Back in the day a used quadratic equations on my TI 82 graphing calculator to handicap horse races. Did very well. Let the numbers do the work.
this movie has a pretty slow pace-kinda like the game itself. I've been watching it one scene at a time on youtube for a couple of years now. kinda like I watch baseball.
I’ve got the Blu-ray, it’s available on Netflix, but yet whenever I see a clip of this film on RUclips then I’m gonna watch it - it’s THAT good a film!
For some reason the number of player evaluations part always gets me, and makes me love this movie. "47" "Okay" "Actually 51... I don't know why lied just then..."
did anyone else feel ( in the beginning) like Jonah Hill was a younger mildly less annoying Seth Rogen....and then realise WOW he can ACT ! He is awesome! I was sooooooo wrong! I feel like I owe him an apology after so many amazing performances .....( Wolf of Wall St , He Won't get Far on Foot, Moneyball...et al) Sorry Mr Hill.
He’s had a couple of annoying roles, but even when you look at something like Superbad, i mean watch real closely, there’s an energy he gives off that just makes the character so much better than it should be. Of course, that role probably branded him for a bit and gave him other similar ones, but obviously thats because he did it so well. It doesn’t matter how many times i hear him panting “Jules want’s my dick, in and around her mouth” , it makes me crack up every time.
As a numbers nerd I really relate to this because really from experience of my own, numbers and statistics don't lie. In my professional arena I have belted rivals who mistakenly think subjective perceptions rule the world and its always been beneficial to be disciplined to objective fact. The epic story not withstanding, Jonah & Brad's performances were magical. A truly entertaining movie.
One of my favorite movies. You know why? Because is shows that logic, mathemthic and a good heart on the right more matters than personal or greedy terms.
Mighty Rio Grande by this will destroy you. Highly recommended post rock group. Sounds similar to the social network I agree! . However they are different tracks, the social network is by Trent Reznor
I was always teased and made fun of for being a math nerd. That using a calculator and using numbers to guide and make success was stupid. I have made amazing success for myself and all from the basic doctrine that "the numbers don't lie". This movie is a classic example of this.
@1:50 does anyone else also feel the same way I do (which is a relaxing yet curious way of looking at a process. In this case how Pete is going to work his way through the situation) here. Is there a reason (psycologically) why the music make me feel this way? I dont even know if people have studied the relation between music of this kind (Whatever that may be lol) and how it makes some one feel
At 4:04 that's part of the Baseball-reference page showing the first round of the 2002 draft. It gets a big focus in the book but not so much in the movie. Lewis said he was going to write a separate book on the draft once all the players were retired.
The A’s were good that season because of Mulder, Hudson and Zito. The best starting pitching in baseball. Apparently that’s easy to overlook, so easy it wasn’t even mentioned in the movie.
zito won the cy young and mulder was good, hudson whip was just ok and the other two starters were painfully bad. and out of these three guys who went on to have a great career? the athletics had a good season for many reasons, you dont win 20 straight games because of 3 starting pitchers. its easy to overlook because it simply wasnt the case
This is the most Un-Sorkin-y his dialogue has ever sounded, (as far as pacing) but it still works. He writes great characters, and his characters speak wonderfully
People are overlooked for a variety of biased reasons and perceived flaws. Beautfiul and incredibly accurate sentence.
Everything including decisions in life, betting and trading the same thing applies, it's because we as humans are wired that way, we are set up to fail
Not only in baseball!
It's true, although the opposite is true too: lots of people are honored, respected, and valued for perceived positives they don't actually (or no longer) possess. As our ability to measure and evaluate each other increases, it remains to be seen whether society and our lives will be improved.
That's the line that jumped out for me too.
Confirmation bias is a real thing.
Every time I watch scenes from this movie I can’t help but think that Jonah Hill absolutely KILLS IT. this is such a good movie, wish he got more roles like this
Very good actor that will only get better with time
He’s great in Wolf of Wallstreet.
He just needs to stay away from Seth Rogan and he is set.
It's a good movie but not very accurate. The movie never mentions the Big 3
@@ryanegan2934 who are they? You talking about players or ball clubs?
You know, the REALLY amazing part in Peter Brand's story isn't that he was able to derive easy to judge numbers, it was that everywhere he went, every time he spoke, he had a running background musical score that just made you want to believe!
Brother Jim what's the name of that background musical score?
@@PlumleeMuse The Mighty Rio Grande by This Will Destroy You.
😁😁😁
If only I had that score run in the background for every time I had an interview.
Cute…
I have never watched or been interested in baseball my entire life.
I absolutely loved this movie.
YES.
I dislike baseball in general but this movie? This movie I'll watch over and over. So good.
Bro I actively dislike baseball and I enjoyed this movie
Yep. Not a baseball fan but I've seen this movie probably 10 times
@@dannysnote9925 What does it mean to actively dislike baseball? How is that different than regular dislike?
Same
“Like an island of misfit toys”
Gotta give credit where it’s due the writing for this film is simply phenomenal.
Great writing. My favorite part was:
Peter Brand : Wh-what time is it?
Billy Beane : I don't know. Pete, would you have drafted me in the first round?
Peter Brand : What?
Billy Beane : After we talked, you looked me up. Would you have drafted me in the first round?
Peter Brand : Yeah, I did. You-you were pretty good.
Billy Beane : Cut the crap, Pete. Would you have drafted me in the first round?
Peter Brand : I would have picked you in the 9th round. No signing bonus. I think that would have convinced you to accept that scholarship.
Billy Beane : (pause) Pack your bags, Pete. I just bought you from the Cleveland Indians.
Everything Sorkin writes is so good
lol - it is from the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer movie
@@yomomma2054 Excellent chat between the two. They are both very eccentric, and as different as night and day, but they share some really core values and integrity. Paradoxical. 😊
@@marcopl17Aaron Sorkin, those first 8 minutes of the HBO series The Newsroom. Perfection!!
The symbolism of Peter coming in and the beginning of the new era as the banners of the past are taken down. Now that was fantastic
Its even represented in smaller stuff like the technology. Peter comes in with a more advanced laptop, and the available computer in the records room is that old junky desktop. Bringin in the new and better to supplant the old.
The guys working on the movie were on point with their shit.
Honestly, I found that part a bit on the nose.
I just saw a guy coming into work. Lol
@@JonSmith-hk1bq I have sold computers at CompUSA and then sold millions at Dell, you have no idea how certain industries used to also have computers that might as well be antiques.
The banners have a little more direct impact on the character than general symbolism IMO. They’re taking down the Giambi banner, an As star who just signed with the Yankees for a huge pay raise. Peter knows part of his job will be to find a replacement.
I love how Peter carries the baseball into the stats room. He may not have played much baseball but he sure did love the game as much as anyone else could.
It's funny cause the guy who Peter is based off of, Paul Depodesta, played college baseball at Harvard.
Well Billy ball sure proved that stats don’t win many games. Or at least the ones that matter
@@timjones147 The Red Sox won the WS in 2004 playing billy ball. They didn't hire him but they took all his ideas.
@@timjones147 stats are stats they don't always add up and can be mistaken by averages made by errors. But if you do it right, chances go up that's a fact, but it's only a chance nomatter how high the chances are there is no 100% in sports. But it's a powerful weapon we cannot ignore
@@dw13012 . Are you an A’s fan. Well what have they won? $$$$ wins games. I appreciate the lecture
“Actually 51. I don’t know why i lied just now.”
So relatable lol.
Not me. I don't lie like you.
@@petergianakopoulos4926 how do you lie?
@@LordofMovies91 Never im a good person. You bad.
@@petergianakopoulos4926You just did.
@tmike_tc no I didn't
Peter Brand's evaluation is spot on. Billy Beane's best buy was this man.
Now the Browns have him.
very well said!
This isn't a real person...
@@darylfoster7944 Lol, I get it but I don't think they are playing moneyball when they sign a near $250 million dollar guaranteed contract on a guy facing several felony charges, signing D. Ward to a huge contract and tanking the trade value of a QB putting them on the hook for $18 million dollars guaranteed.
@@jacobwilliams7918 football doesn't need moneyball, with the insane tv contract.
This film makes you wonder if *you* are undervalued---and then makes you wanna find out.
This is at the very core of this film and it's why people who don't normally watch sports movies gravitate to this one. If you've ever genuinely felt like an outcast, underappreciated, ignored, or misunderstood, this film has something to say to you---and probably gives you some hope for yourself.
Peter Brand is taking what he learned about value investing and applying it where he landed. Makes me think we all have room for that. It's not just a big market thing and it's not just a baseball thing. There are people in all of our lives who are undervalued -- who could be doing more for themselves and for the people around them if they were identified and given the nudge they need.
It's a Hollywood film that was designed to carry a narrative that, based on your answer did it's engineered purpose. Not to be a debby downer but what Lewis and this film neglect to mention is is that the A's during the era had 3 of the best pitchers in baseball that were developed in their farm system as a result of good drafting which had nothing to do with utilizing undervalued statistics. Not to mention they had Miguel Tejada who was a perennial all star signed internationally. But revealing these significant factors takes away from the dream that clearly did a number on you and a lot of others. The typical response to this will be a form of defensive ego protection to say well what I said is either a kill joy or who cares it was entertaining (a deflection). What you might want to ask yourself is how do I make myself less susceptible to being told a story about something and completely fall for it because the same ppl who generate and engineer the responses that you stated which shows that what they did worked also sell you on a lot of other things like products you may not need. Just a heads up
There's a really good video/written presentation on this idea called "One Percent Better Elder Michael A. Dunn". It's religiously oriented on some of the included topics, but the underlying statistical element is that improving 1% on each thing as you encounter them will compound as you develop better habits and you'll have outsized improvement - uses a British cycling team progression as an example. (other references to LDS church scripture and gospel topics, but you can listen past those if not of interest and still get the gist of what's being spoken of as a general principle).
@@JG-oi5gg Organizations usually have a pretty good idea of who's undervalued and who's overvalued. Problem is : the overvalued people are working very hard to keep it that way and have a lot of extra time (since they don't work too hard) to make sure the undervalued people stay in the shadow.
@@doh917 people that respond this didn't get the point, you're funny man
One could argue that this film deserved the Best Picture more than the one who actually won it. Such a good film that still after a decade since being released still holds up.
Who won?
@@dmitripetrenko4999 "The Artist" that black and white silent movie
@@theburninator888 Ah yes the era of time when people stopped giving 2 licks about what The Academy thought.
The artist was a actually a good movie. This one is just better
Well this holds up because the method is super relevant and not just in baseball but in football too. Just look at Liverpool, Brentford and more.
This movie is so masterfully written and directed. It's a movie about ideas and math, and yet it manages to keep you on the edge of your seat for 2 hours and 13 minutes.
“Necessity is the mother of invention.”
They don’t have the money, so he has to find another way.
Agree. The script is outstandingly efficient - hardly a wasted or unnecessary word. Plus the simple music chords - perfect match. 👏
I have watched this film more than 5 times since it came out. I'm not from America, and I don't know anything about baseball. I also have no interest in the game. I don't know any of the players they are talking about, and I don't understand the jargon. However, there is something so captivating about the way the film is shot and written that makes it so enjoyable. I think that That is the biggest compliment a film like this can get. That someone who is completely out of touch with the subject matter can enjoy it so much. It's a comfort movie for me, and I think it's Aron Sorkin's best work.
West Wing is his best work. This might be his best movie, agreed.
Amen.
Chad Bradford would sign with the Athletics for $235k. 5 years later in 2007, Bradford would sign a multi-year deal with the Baltimore Orioles making......$3 million a year.
Was then traded to the Rays in 2008 and was key contributor to them making the World Series that year.
In other words they got that man paid!
Then started injecting hgh and tren
thanks they helped this poor lad
Submarine pitchers are so effective for several reasons:
They are few and far between and so even hitters in the Show rarely see them at any level of the game.
The release point of the ball is 4-5 o'clock instead of 1-2 o'clock, and so hitters have trouble adjusting and can't pick it up.
The ball is typically rising instead of following a downward path; while hitters generally try to hit up in the ball, and so will either pop up or hit a grass burner.
The ball cuts differently when thrown underhand than when thrown overhand.
It is easier to throw underhand and is less stressful on the shoulder and elbow than an overhand arm spiral.
The score. The musical score of this movie is everything.
Agreed, it really captures the moment wonderfully.
Not much of a score. Its just the song "The Mighty Rio Grande" by This Will Destroy you
@@domthedonkey69420 Made me love that album even more
Gives me Friday Night Lights vibes
@@howgoodistravel Its the same artist. Explosions in the Sky
I just love that guitar theme in this movie, one simple chord thst gives so much atmosphere and a feeling of nostalgia
As a data analyst this movie is so good. Easily my favorite scene too!
My favorite scene was when Pitt walks in on the players and asks if losing is fun
there used to be a case study on stanford online walking us through the data analysis step by step. Its unforgettable.
I used to be in a line of work where we used SPC to keep track of and maintain as high of a level of quality as “humanly possible”, and I held a Six Sigma Green Belt for a time.
This movie made me smile so many times.
My use of statistics at work was simple compared to those the film describes.
But like in the film I always thought of it as a secret weapon against waste and inefficiency.
I really love this part of the movie. We had a great set up where Beane describes "the problem", and laments how no one in his staff understands that problem, let alone can solve it. Cut a couple more scenes ahead, and he meets Peter Brand, who immediately NAILS the problem on the head and has everything needed to find a solution. It's really fun to watch these two meet, brainstorm, and then pick up steam with the team. I don't know much about baseball but I enjoy math, and this movie was really fun to watch, due to the creative problem solving.
The message of people with talent being overlooked because of biased reasons and perceived flaws fits so well being said by Jonah Hill
“People are overlooked for a variety of biased reasons“
It just sounds different
It's that soundtrack. It just slowly swells up in this scene like a heartbeat. Like dawn. Like hope. It goes from sad despair, as the posters are taken down and everything sits in decline, to the sound of sunrise on the way. It's the sound of hope rising. And you can just -- just -- register that hope, fighting with fear, in 3:59, where Brad Pitt takes a sip from his cup and you can see just that little tremble in his hand.
Not a sip bud, that's a spitter
I bet you are a writer. I wish I could use words to express feelings or simply describe a scene as well as you.
That song is “the mighty rio grande” by this will destroy you. Brilliant song 👍
@@yong62 You can, you just have to believe in yourself.
Exactly what I was thinking
have to be careful watching these short clips, every time I do, makes me want to watch this film again.
The score of this film adds so much and Brad being so passionate as a GM, I assume Billy Bean was/is that passionate. As an artist and someone who doesn’t follow sports but goes to around 5 Reds games a year with the family. It’s such a true statement as an artist, and someone who is deeply emotional about the simple things in life, “how can you not be romantic about baseball”.
Even just watching the miscellaneous short clips from this movie (I've seen it once)...is enough to make me feel the excitement, all over again.
Brad Pitt underplays his role and CRUSHES IT!!! In a seemingly restrained and quiet role, he shows he's the BEST! Jonah Hill, also underplaying a quiet role, is PERFECT! This is one of the great(est) baseball films of all-time.
The previous seasons banners falling with players that left and Peter entering the facility kinda visually signifies that there’s a new era in A’s baseball that’s replacing the old. But not only for the A’s the new era changed baseball forever pretty much sweeping the old era into the dustbin.
Yeah we all saw the clip
Only it wasn’t. The A’s of that era were great because they had great starting pitching. Not even a mention in the movie, but without it they were a significantly below .500 team.
@@staleydu1 Also, the A's from a decade earlier went to 3 straight world series, just like they did in the early 70s. If they were truly the runt of the litter, that wouldn't have been possible. This movie is a little overly dramatic about Oakland's prospects...
@@brianjacob8728 sport changes in the modern era because of the obscene amount of money introduced. the teams with the smaller budgets have a harder and harder time competing
@@theriddler2277 The A's were no worse off than any other small market franchise.
This is one of those movies for me that I can watch over and over again. Regardless of the facts that were changed to feed the necessary conflict for a film, it is such a subtle, deep look at the psychology of the game behind the game. Old Guys fighting New Guard, as in general culture at large, resistance to change and loss of power. This story will always be timely.
"People are overlooked for a variety of biased reasons and perceived flaws." - I experienced that in sports. Growing up, I had thick glasses and got almost all A's in school. Coaches didn't see me as an athlete - though the other athletes did. I was never picked in for a school basketball team, though the team basketball players let me play with them outside of school. I got to pole vault - simply because going higher is an easily measurable metric for who is better. I learned to pole vault from library books (yes, I was that math and physics nerd) and lifting weights was also easy to do for me, so I was able to improve my pole vault performance.
For some reason, RUclips decides to show this in my feed. I remember watching this movie and being so immersed in it. Even to this day, I still wish there would be one year that the A's would finally be able to win it all. And that's coming from a small Boston Red Sox fan here. Player talents really shine brightly in people's eyes but it means nothing if the numbers say otherwise. And therein lies the hardest part, finding those talents with the numbers to back it up. It amuses me that, at the end of the film, it showed the moneyball idea inspired the Red Sox front office and eventually built the team that ended 80+ years of pain.
This is one of those movies you don't have to be a baseball fan or a statistic person. You'll still enjoy it cause it's just so well made and makes you care.
"How many'dja do?"
"47."
"Okay."
"Actually, 51. I don't know why I lied just then."
This is incredible writing. The lie was never questioned, and was immediately corrected by Peter, who then openly admitted that the lie served no purpose whatsoever, and even he didn't know why he said it. This never comes up again. That lie could have been left out of the script entirely, and it would have had zero impact on the movie. The writers didn't include that line because it served any purpose; they included it simply because it's something a guy like that would do out of nerves.
Good observation.
I always thought it was Peter's nerves, then a quick realization that he doesn't need to lie to impress Billy. An instinctive "white lie" that was instantly regretted.
Billy's demeanor in not questioning the lie, or why, is also a great tell into his character. He understood the anxiety involved. The writing was above fantastic in this film. Imo.
Imposter syndrome.
Another Aaron Sorkin fan is born.
@@billbusen Isn't that the guy that made the movie about the Chicago Seven?
I mean it does serve a purpose strictly speaking: it reveals some of the character of Peter.
Am I the only person who thinks Jonah Hill should have got more recognition for this film? 🤔
He was nominated for an Oscar…
He should’ve been nominated as President of America
@@DrPhil-kx3ci he literally could not do worse than what we have.
@@jamesfields2916 yup I agree
@Daryl D what's wrong with indie Movies
This is what separates Moneyball from almost every other movie out there. Most movies would’ve had the cliche scenes of him making mistakes and having an “adjustment period”, maybe even making his first day humorous.
But real life isn’t like that. Peter brand was a Yale grad and a professional, and while emotional, he got right to business probably like it happened in real life
The curveball in this movie (no pun intended), however, was to convince the rest of the organization to adopt the data-driven system.
IDK one of my first days at an important job my belt snapped right in front of my boss lol
Paul DePodesta, in real life.
"The statistical analysis... So beautiful." Capt. Holt
My only issue with this movie is it ignores how stacked their prospects were and how important Chavez tejada and the pitchers were
Ya it ignore that those early 2000s A's had all stars like Dye, Tejada, Zito, Mulder, and Hudson
Because it's not REALLY a baseball movie. It's a movie about management and overcoming outmoded and entrenched ways of thinking in a conservative institution. Baseball just happens to be the backdrop for THAT story.
They had to take some liberties and make it seem like it was something that kind of dawned upon Billy out of nowhere. Truth is they were already prioritizing OBP and finding ‘defective’ players after LaRussa left and new ownership told Sandy Alderson they had to start running the team like a business, circa 1996. It didn’t just dawn on them after 2001. But that’s when Lewis started researching the project, and the focus was on 2002. But had they adhered strictly to the book and not taken some liberties, it may have been impossible to create a compelling movie. My only complaint is that too many who see the film won’t read the book, so they’ll come out of the theater thinking it was the way it was presented on screen. One thing they got right is that the game had passed many baseball men by. They were a stubborn lot of dinosaurs.
Basically the money ball part was to replace Giambi, Damon, and Isringhausen. They already had Tejada, Chavez, mulder, Hudson, and Zito
@@mattspychala7251 people at certain baseball sites lost their minds when the athletics traded for mabry this movie gets a lot more right than it gets wrong in terms of how fans were reacting to what beane was trying to do
Gotta say, Hats off to Mr. Beane. He took a 2nd market team to its best potential and contender status because he knew he couldn't compete with the big market teams. Gotta find another way to win; and he did. Just wish it could have been played closer to the vest and chalked it up to A's magic or sup'm.
What made the biggest difference though was their farm system which had nothing to do with money ball and provided great starting pitching.
@@patpat8727 Beane was also great at traditional scouting
I love this movie. It's that rare quiet introspective movie that can still get you pumped up--but quietly.
My god this movie delivered when I never expected it to.
Its how old school movies are story driven with great acting.
what i love about this. it's not who you know or what you look like. it's simply how good you are. and i think that speaks to a lot of people
WHAT a movie ! I played baseball in Australia . I love baseball movies, but this is on another level. This and Dennis Quaid in The Rookie.
Not generally a fan of sports movies, but I absolutely loved this one. I guess it's the interaction/dialog.
The underlying themes has nothing to do with sports
Very well written film. Jonah constantly took pay cuts to work with brad and Leo. Shows he was a tire actor. Broad range. Not just a fat funny guy like Seth Rogan
I love everything about this movie, the screenwriting, casting, directing and it being based on a true story.
“Like an island of misfit toys.” Great line.
This character played by Jonnah Hill was pure class
And up to this point people mostly knew him as the fat, drunken slob. Really speaks to his range and talent.
And to realize the character itself doesn't exist. It was just created from the book to represent the turning point in how baseball is analyzed
@Pancake well he’s apart of the organization who gave deshaun Watson 250 million guaranteed so not much of a genius after all
This is the most pure movie ever. I literally feel better after watching it
I loved this movie, because the As brand of baseball using analytics has changed baseball for ever. People that often were over looked are now able to get slots and maximizing value for both players and the companies.
This is more than just a baseball movie it is a business movie
Ruined baseball is what it did.
The understated musical score added to the movie so much. So did Billy Beanie’s girl singing to him.
Peter Brand is my favorite character in the movie. Despite being brand new to the team, you see this quiet confidence about him. He knows he is good at what he does. I love it.
Money Ball is one of those movies that will still be enjoyable to watch 10, 20, 30 years down the line. Like The Grinch, Saving Private Ryan, Avatar, Dredd, etc... etc... etc...
Brad Pitt's performance is this movie is a perfect example of "how to be cool".
brad pitt in every movie
The island of misfit toys. Wow. First, awesome reference. Second, if you consider the metaphorical significance...no matter our flaws, even the horrible ones, we all have a place in this world. That's...encouraging. Didn't ever consider that until just now.
this is a master class. the ambiance and delivery just om point...RUclips keep recommending me this and i keep watching it every time. The algorithm on point too
I watched this movie 7 or 8 times already and I will watch it again tonight.
"Actually 51. I don't know why I lied just now." God, I wish I understood why we have moments like that.
The fact that he saw the value in his genius and what he was presenting. It's truly amazing. They didn't judge people for who they were but how they performed.
It really looks like Pitt was genuinely about to laugh when he smiled at Hill's lie When he said 47
It was a great cast. Phillip Seymour Hoffman played a great part as well, somewhat the villain.
One of the best movies ever made. Fantastic acting from Pitt, Hill, Goodman and Pratt. Fantastic story, values to live by, a true work of art imho.
Music/Sound editing example at its finest.
This hurts even more to watch after this season, but this era of A's baseball was sure a fun ride
Along with A League of Their Own, Moneyball is one of the greatest baseball movies ever!
Moneyball is honestly my favorite movie of all time, no reason in particular, it just is
Bull Durham, The Sandlot, The Natural, Major League, Benchwarmers. All top 10 baseball movies.
@@brucelundy4310 You just gonna go and leave out The Bad News Bears?
@@stevesucio7790 Major League is a totally funny movie.
@@stevesucio7790 Number one ☝️
I don't know why I love this movie so much. The mental effect this movie has is sooo unreal.
I genuinely think this is Brad Pitt’s best performance of his career.
Love his role in this movie, but Fight Club was an absolute mind fucking 🤓🤓
Pfffffft. Watch 12 Monkeys.
@@stpatrick7643 I mean…great performance. But not as iconic IMO as this. Snatch was amazing. And he was amazing in it. But he carries this film - in snatch, he was an accessory.
In a funny way, this reminds me of something that occurred to the Detroit Tigers. Back in the '80's, they had a third baseman named Tommy Brookens. Lifetime .250 hitter. 71 HR in his career. He was the poster boy for the term "journeyman ballplayer". Every year for about five or six years straight, the organization would bring in either a free agent, or a kid from the minors to take Brooken's place. And yet, every year by mid-June, the newcomer would be gone, and Tommy would be out there full time for the rest of the season. You couldn't explain it, but he had an impact all out of proportion to his numbers, and the fans loved him.
I remember him. He wasn't a star, but he worked well alongside Trammell and Whitaker, and could fill in where needed. I'm a Yankee fan, and they had Randy Velarde in a similar role. And Velarde was with the A's in 2002.
Still a masterpiece movie...and I'm so Sorry that I loved the Coliseum so much, and I still love It, even with his "problems! 💚💛 Fan from Italy
There’s nothing like a packed A’s house man ……nothing like it
Brad and Jonah have been in a lot of fantastic movies. But this, imo, is their best by far. Besides how they made Grady and Howe look, (Hollywood needs a villain for the protagonists journey to seem more exciting) this film is almost perfect.
Yknow i love Jonah Hill and i always have. Fuck everyone who made fun of him for his weight, hes a fucking top notch actor, and deserves all the praise in the world, and its unfortunate he cant really find new roles since he lost weight.. Very saddening to see an actor go Downhill for improving his own mental and physical health standards for himself
Uhh, I don't think he has? He's made like a dozen plus movies since this came out? He made 21 and 22 Jump Street, some of his biggest hits, when he was at his skinniest? Also, he shifted more into directing and producing because he's always wanted to direct, that would be why he's done less in the past couple years acting wise. Except for a movie with 3 of the biggest stars on the planet......
Yep, I think it's time to re-watch this one. TY😊
Lovely movie. Billy had a problem and he found a scientific way to stay above the water and still be competitive. The most important thing here is with shoestring budget, they tried and showed my beloved A's can win and make the fans want to come see them in "our" shithole" coliseum. Also made Yankees look like idiots. I can live with that. Small budget teams need not suck, if they are willing to change their thinking.... This movie deserved oscar..
I'm not an A's fan, but it really sucks how your owner has treated the A's, their fans and Oakland.
My biggest problem with this is that the movie almost completely ignores starting pitching. "He gets on base" is only half the battle.
That was a terrific movie. Really sticks in my head.
Things didn't work out so well for Billy Bean and the A's in the long run, though. But it was great while it lasted.
I think this movie is what planted the sea in my head to really pay attention to the new way that baseball is being played and embrace it as a fan, look at the stats and keep an eye on them
I'm not ashamed to say I've watched this movie over 10 times.
"I wanted you to see these player evaluations you asked me to do."
"I asked you to do three, to evaluate three players. How many did you do?"
"Forty seven." "Okay." "Actaully 51, I don't know why I lied just now."
I was never a fan of baseball or Brad Pitt before but this film changed that. It is a story about redemption! For Billy Beane AND the Oakland A’s!
Damn shame what's happening with the A's at the moment ... my condolences from a Jays fan.
Man they need a new stadium. They can have ours!
-Rangers fan
Great movie. Love's the way he used numbers to cut through the misconceptions. Back in the day a used quadratic equations on my TI 82 graphing calculator to handicap horse races. Did very well. Let the numbers do the work.
This movie is way more interesting and action packed than an actual game of baseball.
I like this movie for its unique and unflinching view of people behind the players.
this movie has a pretty slow pace-kinda like the game itself. I've been watching it one scene at a time on youtube for a couple of years now. kinda like I watch baseball.
I’ve got the Blu-ray, it’s available on Netflix, but yet whenever I see a clip of this film on RUclips then I’m gonna watch it - it’s THAT good a film!
Hands down my favorite performance from Brad Pitt. Yes, that includes Fight Club
I agree. it's his best, with a much subtler character to play than in F/C.
Snatch?
For some reason the number of player evaluations part always gets me, and makes me love this movie. "47" "Okay" "Actually 51... I don't know why lied just then..."
did anyone else feel ( in the beginning) like Jonah Hill was a younger mildly less annoying Seth Rogen....and then realise WOW he can ACT ! He is awesome! I was sooooooo wrong! I feel like I owe him an apology after so many amazing performances .....( Wolf of Wall St , He Won't get Far on Foot, Moneyball...et al) Sorry Mr Hill.
You should have apologized for putting him in the same sentence as Seth Rogen. "Annoying" does not even scratch the surface of that woke POS!
He’s had a couple of annoying roles, but even when you look at something like Superbad, i mean watch real closely, there’s an energy he gives off that just makes the character so much better than it should be. Of course, that role probably branded him for a bit and gave him other similar ones, but obviously thats because he did it so well. It doesn’t matter how many times i hear him panting “Jules want’s my dick, in and around her mouth” , it makes me crack up every time.
As a numbers nerd I really relate to this because really from experience of my own, numbers and statistics don't lie. In my professional arena I have belted rivals who mistakenly think subjective perceptions rule the world and its always been beneficial to be disciplined to objective fact. The epic story not withstanding, Jonah & Brad's performances were magical. A truly entertaining movie.
Great movie, cast and musical score and the ending just magical.
One of my favorite movies. You know why? Because is shows that logic, mathemthic and a good heart on the right more matters than personal or greedy terms.
truly astonishing movie; such a lift. The two leads are absolutely perfect together.
Gay
@@JovahnL as
Moneyball is on the list of movies you'll always stop scrolling thru channels to watch...again.
“Peter Brand” (extends hand)
“Uh…HOLA!!!”
That translates to Welcome to California!
The statistical analysis......... it's so beautiful.......
B99
The music really helps to add so
much tension to this scene and make it really compelling. Same music they used in social network.
Mighty Rio Grande by this will destroy you.
Highly recommended post rock group.
Sounds similar to the social network I agree! . However they are different tracks, the social network is by Trent Reznor
@@Jumpin-Jimmy at first I thought it was Explosions In The Sky.
I was always teased and made fun of for being a math nerd. That using a calculator and using numbers to guide and make success was stupid. I have made amazing success for myself and all from the basic doctrine that "the numbers don't lie". This movie is a classic example of this.
@1:50 does anyone else also feel the same way I do (which is a relaxing yet curious way of looking at a process. In this case how Pete is going to work his way through the situation) here. Is there a reason (psycologically) why the music make me feel this way? I dont even know if people have studied the relation between music of this kind (Whatever that may be lol) and how it makes some one feel
At 4:04 that's part of the Baseball-reference page showing the first round of the 2002 draft. It gets a big focus in the book but not so much in the movie. Lewis said he was going to write a separate book on the draft once all the players were retired.
I was surprised to see legends like Pujols and Sabathia on that list.
Loved his character in this.
Excellent short.
Think I own the video.
I’m going to watch it again.
It’s better than most of the remakes out there.
After watching this, I feel bad for Chad Bradford. The dude was really underpaid.
Including the "island of misfit toys" line-from Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer, a holiday TV special from 1964-is vintage Aaron Sorkin.
The A’s were good that season because of Mulder, Hudson and Zito. The best starting pitching in baseball. Apparently that’s easy to overlook, so easy it wasn’t even mentioned in the movie.
Great pitching without being able to score runs is worthless.
if you didn't notice, the story wasn't about the A's success as a whole, but the success of the system.
Exactly. The A’s system was essentially copied by MLB as a whole, with each team modifying it for their own parks.
Not to mention Tegada won the mvp
zito won the cy young and mulder was good, hudson whip was just ok and the other two starters were painfully bad. and out of these three guys who went on to have a great career? the athletics had a good season for many reasons, you dont win 20 straight games because of 3 starting pitchers. its easy to overlook because it simply wasnt the case
This is the most Un-Sorkin-y his dialogue has ever sounded, (as far as pacing) but it still works.
He writes great characters, and his characters speak wonderfully
A championship team? No. A playoff team? Yes.