@@LivingOffTheSlab I agree that every bike has its quirks, but the issues you described would be a deal-breaker for me. I was seriously considering the 2020 model of the K1600 GTL, until the dealership told me about the shifting forks breaking and the recall with that. Also, I enjoy doing all the maintenance and repairs on my motorcycles, and I can do that on a Honda with my skill level. Doing a valve job on a BMW requires a very high skill level.
I just bought my 5th K bike. Most of these items I've never really thought about. But the bike doesn't "burn" oil, the cats may handle some blow-by. It's a very large engine and the seals all need to set over time. Yes, it will take a good number of miles to finally get to fully seated, but this is normal. I had every edition of the Nav's, and never had a single issue. The cases are made to be strong when closed; they're made light weight for over all weight lessening. The stock shield works well, no need for a change there. Never have noticed any issues with passing traffic/trucks. Not sure why you're sales person told you to take it easy on them, they take everything I've thrown at them.
I have sense got rid the K due to overheating issues as well as a few other warranty problems. Maybe I got a lemon...but considering the cost of ownership for a bike that continually had issues, it was time to get rid of it.
Like you said, case by case. A simple RUclips search of "K1600B complaints" pulls up NUMEROUS videos with the same issues , including the bike oscillating and the 100mph max speed on a bike with 160hp. BMW knows it's an issue as well as Garmin. He also said the buffeting was an issue with the passenger not the driver.
I agree with all of these. I rarely have a passenger, so wind isn't a problem. I'm on Nav 6 number 3 or 4 at this point. All the failures occur after it sits in the garage during the winter. This time I'm bringing it inside. We'll see if I'm making my annual call to Garmin next January.
I am 67 and been riding legally over fifty years. Owned too many bikes to remember. I saw your video on the Vision was wondering what you were going to replace it with (I too also thought of a BMW GTL). I have the Arlen Ness Vision and it just runs lke a sporty luxury car..It is paid for and, now, after watching this video: I’m keeping my Vision till the wheels fall off...thank you.
I just sent my Motorrad Navigator VI back on Saturday for a replacement. Mine would do the ghost clicks, but even worse was it would completely go fuzzy like an old fashioned TV that didn't have a signal. (most of this was when it was below 50 degrees though).
The 2018 BMW has a problem with the oil burning due to a problem at the factory in measurement of the cylinder head. I heard the only fix is a new engine. My bike also burns oil as you say and the catalytic convertor does it jobs in hiding the smoke coming out the pipe. I purchased a 7 year warranty so I am probably going to bring it in to have it checked. And you are spot on your opinions. I got my GPS unit free for me at the time of purchase.
My k1600, 2012. Over 100k miles. Does not burn any more oil then when it was new. Oil changes I just put a level mark on my pour bottle so I know exactly how much to put Into the bike every 5k miles. 60k I put in new drive shaft, new plugs etc. 100k new plugs and coils,
Ive had mine since 2018 from new and have never had issues with burning oil, screen issue yes even as a rider and like you I hate looking through another layer of plastic when your already looking through the visor and BMW is a premium price but not the premium product that its portrayed as
I agree with your list, but also will had the goofy oil change procedure that is as goofy as the oil level check. There are two drain plugs and the upper plug is inside the crankcase and is easily dropped meaning you get to fish around with a magnet to get it out. I first rode a GTL back in 2013 in Switzerland. I really thought that would be my next bike to replace my LT, but after riding it for two weeks in the Alps, it was no longer a candidate. The main issue was passenger comfort and lack of weather protection. My wife hated it. I am pretty sure she is taller than your wife at 5’9” and the buffeting of her head left her worn out at day’s end. If I bought a GTL, I would be riding solo in the future! I also found the cases very chintzy compared to those on the LT. This doesn’t affect you as you have your work done at the dealer, but I just learned from the latest BMW ON magazine that BMW is going to try to force all owners to take their bikes to a dealer for all repairs and maintenance. They will no longer sell service manuals for model years after 2020. The article didn’t say this, but I would not be surprised if they also move to prevent owners from buying factory parts. This is a non-starter for me now as my nearest dealer is 148 miles away. I can’t believe BMW has adopted this policy, however, there will be no more BMWs in my future.
Not surprised by your comments; expect the list to grow. Hope you kept your Vision...lol. I own a 03 BMW R1200CL with 68000 miles on it and a 15 Vic CCT. The Beamer is a back up since getting the Victory! Safe Riding.
Ditto with the oil issues on my R1200RT. It's got 33,000 miles and burns oil like no bike I have ever owned. About the same as your 1600. The oil checking process is ridiculously complex and sets you up for failure. I'm kinda stuck with this bike for now, but I do have a lot of buyers remorse on this bike. Wish I had bought a Goldwing.
Hi craig i have exclusive 11 thousand miles had it 6 years never had gps probs run at very high speed yery high speed indeeed in rain and sunshine very slight weave on original rubber better on bridgestones i agree tthe pannier lids are very flimsey on a very expensive bike never noticed any oil useage the brakes handleing front fork the best ive ever used and that whaaaa ! sound when you wind it on is adictive stay safe happy and bonkers kapla!🤘
Spot on! I replaced the factory windscreen with a Marathon II from Wunderlich and really like it. I can look over it or put it all the way up. It does cause back pressure which causes me to open the vents a little. The Garmin is a POS. I also had the VI on my GS Adventure. Same ghost clicks. Mostly when cold also. I did the recalibrate the touch screen routine and that seemed to clear it up for awhile. Awhile. The one other gripe I have is that the transmission is pretty clunky and has a lot of lash in it. My GSA tranny was really smooth. Also, my K had the major overhaul done on the recall. I’m planning a 10,000 miler this summer around the country so I may get a backup to the Garmin.
I picked up a very lightly used K1600GTL last year. The previous owner included a total of four different windscreens so he was obviously having similar issues with wind control. The one I decided to stick with was made by Cee Bailey. They no longer manufacture motorcycle windscreens but it works great. The first time I got the bike on the interstate I was shocked by how much it was affected by wind buffeting. My previous bike was a Concours 14. It was rock solid at any speed. I couldn't agree more regarding the oil checking procedure. It's a royal pain for what should be such a simple task. Thankfully I've had no issues with using oil. My biggest complaint with the bike is the driveline lash. I've been riding for over fifty years and I've never ridden a bike with that kind of "slop" in the driveline. It reminds me of a rear wheel drive car with worn out U joints. Maybe mine is worse than most as I've never ridden another one to compare it to. I've adjusted my shifting technique to make it tolerable but I find it very annoying. Even with its quirks, for what I paid for the bike I feel like it was a good value. It's got a fantastic engine, handles great and stops on a dime. Not sure I would buy a new one without taking a very close look at a new GoldWing for roughly the same money but overall I'm happy with it. Looking forward to following your Route 66 trip! Safe travels Craig.
I don't notice a lot drive line lash. Maybe I am just used to the shaft from having the Tenere. It is different than having a chain or belt for sure. One thing I find is that the bike does not like to be short shifted. It is much smoother if I keep the revs up and shift while accelerating.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks for the response. That's exactly what I found to be the best shifting technique. I'm probably just getting a little lazy with my shifting in my old age! I'm 65 and still look forward to riding as much as I did when I was a kid. I still turn around and look at the bike every time I get off!
@@MikeB-bm3qy I do the same, and my phone and computer backgrounds are of the GTL, and most of them are when I was riding last September in Glacier National Park on Going to the Sun Road.
I still say my Vic Cross Country Tour was the best bike I have ever owned. Maintenance was super easy, very comfy and could scoot when you wanted. With the trunk off I think the Vision was one of the sexiest bikes out there. Never been a Beemer fan, that double sump does sound interesting though.
Interesting list of nits. I would add that they go through rear tires quickly. . Another is a slight lack of stability at highway speeds- not as steady as the Gold Wing. Guess that’s the compromise for it being a superb canyon carver. So far so good on my nav Vl, and I’m at 34k miles
The first set of tires was done at 7000 miles. I am trying a different brand, the Dunlop Roadsmart IV and so far they look good at 3000. We shall see how they do. I agree, the K1600 needs a bit more attention than the Goldwing or a big cruiser, but as you said, it handles great in the curves.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I have the Roadsmart IV's on mine, and a couple thousand miles on them and they are still looking good. I had the Roadsmart III's on them and was able to squeeze about 9K out of them but that was pushing it!
I have never owned or ridden the BMW K1600 but can definitely relate to the windscreen issue you had. I ride both a Harley Electra Glide and a Honda GoldWing GL1800. I too like to look over the windscreen, not through it. I am 5’8” and on the GoldWing that is a problem. At the windscreens lowest setting, I was looking just over the top but I had to sit straight up to do that. I went with a MadStad Engineering windscreen and never been happier. Not only can I see well over the top, but I get no buffeting. On my Harley, I use a 7” recurve windscreen from Freedomsheild. It’s perfect. Oh by the way… the built in GPS systems on GoldWing’s suck in my opinion. I use the older Garmin Zumo 595LM which is quite capable.
I am trying a new windscreen right now. This one seems to be the best so far, but need to put the wife on the back and see how it works for her. The new one has a flip. We shall see.
Guess I’m lucky having a 2013…Garmin is trouble free…oil check is digital on the dash readout…doesn’t burn any oil at all…never had a wobble of any kind from wind and especially trucks since I smoke them into my rear view in short order always…I have zero complaints it’s the best bike I can find to own and faster than the new ones…thanks for the review
I have a 17 gt. Mind you it is heavily modified. Full Remus exhaust, high flow air filter, cams, and dyno tune. Runs flawless. Perfect for the hill country in Texas where I live. For cross country 2 up I use my Ultra Limited. It too has many upgrades, too many to list. But man it rides like a caddy. Wife loves it. I like the GTL, but not near as comfortable as the Limited. Ride what works for you and ride free!!!!
@@Tinfoilhat311 yes if the wife ever came along I could see that…my style is to ride very fast and lots of mad man multiple vehicle passing…the Beamer is a missile and works better than anything I can imagine for hair on fire miles yes ! 😵💫
@btpiercy845 I get it. I ride my GT pretty darn hard. It's a rocket ship for sure, yet nimble in the canyons. My wife won't go near it, nor do I want her on it(That's why I bought it!). We do a huge ride every summer on the Harley(about 8500 miles). I find the support and available parts and service are superior to any other brand of motorcycle. Rarely do I have an issue, but when I do, the Harley people go out of their way to help you.
I recognize that little store at the 830 mark. Can't remember where it is, up by Vermont, Grand Isle? I know I went into that shop and ordered a sandwich and ate it across the street in that little fenced in area. I'm just north of Albany NY myself. Bought a K1600B back in October. Cant wait to rack up some miles this summer!
I own a 2020 Triumph Rocket which has an oil change interval of 10,000 miles. I do not even check the oil level between oil changes because it does not ever use any.
I'm on my 3rd Nav VI in a year. Yes Garmin replaced no questions asked, but I lost all my history, waypoints, etc. And have had refurbs both times. Also quickly learned I needed to swap the windscreen on my 1200RT.
The GPS situation is unfortunate to say the least. I am thinking about trying a CalSci shield (has a vent) before the big trip. It is going to cost be to try it, but the only way I will find out what works best.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I hate to seem like I have unrealistic expectations, but I think something as fundamental as windscreen ought to be something BMW can handle. And GPS...this ain't exactly bleeding edge tech anymore. Previous bikes I just used my phone and had zero hassle. Also I believe that the Zumo will match the BMW mount you just lose wonder wheel controls. I used an old Zumo last time I did the warranty swap. I'm hoping Garmin offers a good trade in:swap when they roll the Nav 7. They KNOW that they have a QA/Architecture problem with the 6. Probably won't, and they will raise the price. 🤬
I hear you about the windshield, but this is common on a lot of bikes. I had to replace the OEM on my Tenere as well as the mounting bracket. A friend did the same on his Triumph. Unfortunately, the Zumo XT will not replace the Nav IV directly. I have seen a mount that fits into the bike, extending the GPS in front of the dash. It might be a long term option. From what I have seen on the 2022 bikes, they are getting rid of the GPS altogether and going to phone apps. I don't really like this, but seems to be the way of the world.
Please help me! I'm trying to decide between a 2019 Kawi Concurs14 with 2,400 miles and a K1600GT 2017 wit 5,500 miles. Both in great condition. I've only had inline 4 cylinder bikes / Honda, Suzuki n Yamaha. I've been reading a bunch of negative maintenance issues bout the K1600 (and recalls etc.). I'm not sure if this is truly misrepresented by only a small number of folks or what. Any input would greatly be appreciated. Which bike would you pick? What experience do you have with the K1600, reliability wise? I'm used to for the most part just jumping on a bike and rolling. I prefer as others would of course to keep that way. Thanks in advance! btw. My intention with K1600 which attracts me a bit more for a few reasons (over the C14) is using it for believe it or not as a daily commuter, and shorter rides. I'm not necessarily looking to put long haul miles on it. Thanks
I ended up trading in the BMW k1600 after three years. I had reliability issues when I took it on a long trip. It was over heating, so I decided it was not for me. The bike is also very expensive to maintain. After my experience, I would go with to the Kawasaki.
Craig, I went through several windshields on my K16 (the GTL and now the GA) and BAY FAR the best I've found is from 7Jurock... quite effective on buffeting and keeping the front of the bike planted. I bought my GA used (4500 miles) and it had a vented Wunderlich on it which was good but no where near the effective as the 7Jurock screen. Highly recommended.
Thanks Chuck. Do you have the vent in the 7jurock, or the flip They tell me they do not have the vent in stock...no word on when they will get them. And, did you try the CalSci shield?
@@LivingOffTheSlab Mine has the flip but no vent... my Wunderlich has the vent in it which I thought was pretty effective (first shield I've ever had with one) but the 7Jurock with the flip works extremely well. I'm 6"2" with a LONG torso and went with the 21" which is perfect for me and only have to "raise" it a few inches for optimal performance. Over the years I've found the lower you can keep the shield the more stable the front end is...
Hello bud from South Africa 🇿🇦. I just picked up my K16GT a few weeks ago and BMW gifted me with a nav 6. I noticed it's a new updated design, and the salesman said bmw sorted out all the issues, especially the ghosting, on this new design. Maybe you should check it out. Safe riding.....
It is a latitude, jacket and I have both the latitude and bad lands pants. For boots, I have several different GoreTex versions for different types of riding.
Besides performance wise and gadgetry between the Victory Vision and the K16 which bike did you like best ? I love the performance spec for the K16 but a Vision under $5k is tempting.
They are very different bikes. BMW has more power, better handling, better brakes, lighter weight, has more b packing room. The Vision has a lower seat height, better wind protection, is more stable on the highway. The BMW will cost you a lot more money to maintain. The Vision, you will need to do most of the work yourself and parts will be harder to find. My wife was more comfortable on the Vision, but I like the more upright riding posture, which is why I am on an adventure bike now. The Vision is a great bike and you can get them cheap, but know what you will be getting into as far as finding folks to work on them and finding parts. The BMW, I got rid of because it was very expensive to maintain and had too many problems, like over heating. Sorry for the long answer but I don't think it is as simple as which one I liked best. The Vision is the better deal and will be more reliable, cheaper to maintain. Just know what you might be getting into with a defunked bike.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks for the relply, Im on a KTM 1290 Super Adventure now which I’m trying to like but just having a hard time bonding with it, it’s got all the power and performance you ever need but its like riding a giant motocross bike everyday. I like having tunes heated grips on a bike, the closest bike I ever had to perfection was a 2013 F6B, oh if it was just a little lighter. After seeing what it takes just to access the spark plugs on the KTM I’m leaning to the Victory or something else entirely. Love the newer Harley’s but just don’t want to mortgage my home to get one.
The K1600 is too tall for me. I have been considering a Victory Vision. I got married last year and I’m trying to get her on the back of my bike, but she makes have ng difficulty reaching the ground more troublesome. I have a short inseam and the low seat height of the Vision.
Quick question? Have you ever experienced any handling or wobbling situations on the K1600? I are very close to buying a 2018 Your answer to the question will probably finish the deal for me.
Wobbling, or shake, no, but the bike does wander a bit on the highway. It is very effected by truck turbulence. It takes a bit to get used to and you have to be light on the bars. It is the top box. They need a floating mount.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks friend. I'm looking at a 2018 K1600b That I would like to purchase. What's concerned about the transmission recall and the wobble.
@@romesyoutubechannel5356 The transmission recall should have been done and is no issue. From my understanding the B, without the top case, does not wobble like the Grand America. Take it for a ride up the interstate and see if you like it
Craig! I can't believe how many miles you put on the BMW this year! I'm getting "the itch" for a new bike.....so I need to ask your opinion of a couple of things if you don't mind. Here goes: 1) I'm riding a 2017 Electraglide Ultra presently here in Florida. It's a great bike...and has been excellent really. I actually re-watched your review of the Electraglide that you test rode at Cape Cod Harley and keep hearing "It's a nice bike...but it feels sort of cramped" or something to that affect. That...coming from subconsciously comparing it to your Victory I'm sure. But....I'm having the same problem. I'm 6'4" . Honestly, I think that I've outgrown the "having a pretty bike" to ride too. I think that I want something that's less fussy. Which brings me to....your K1600 ....or the Yamaha Star Venture that you tested: IF you were to do it again....would you buy another K 1600, knowing what you know now? Why? 2) Why do you think that no one....is buying the Star Venture Transcontinental? Is it the pricing? Is it the "big vents" look? It seems....like a pretty superior touring bike. I notice for 2022....all that they have done , (like they did with the Super Tenere') is carry over the 2021 model.....and in only 1 color: white? Sadly, the Super Tenere' is done. They're not building them any longer. Do you see that happening with the Star Venture also? Would you have ever bought one of those? I'm actually older than you and think very similarly. I , too, have been thinking about the weight of the bike thing....along with the safety features....and especially RADIAL tires. the BMW checks off many of my wants....but I'm no mechanic, I'm going to be up in Mass. for 6 months beginning this year, and see that there don't seem to be ANY BMW dealers in western NH. , VERMONT, and western Mass., and only 1 in Troy , NY. I believe. That...and the overall lack of reliability compared to the Japanese bikes. SO....if you were going to buy a new bike today, what would it be? That's what I need to know! LOL! (PS: Any chance that you will be testing a new Gold Wing Tour WITHOUT the damn automatic transmission anytime soon?) Sorry for the long questions!
A lot of good questions in there. I will try to answer them. 1) At the time I was riding the Ultra I did have the Vision and there is a big difference between the two. The dash and foot controls on the Ultra are closer to the rider and give it a more "cramped" feel. The Vision on the other hand has a lot of room to move around and the dash is out much further. Of all the bike out there, the latest Yamaha Venture is most like the Vision as far as cockpit room is concerned. 2) Why is the Venture not selling? I think for several reasons, but foremost because Yamaha made the same mistake Victory made in trying to straddle the classic v-twin engine and the modern design. Most people who are interested in a bike in this category are looking for an overall classic bike, with a classic name, like Harley Davidson or Indian. Second, Yamaha did not do a good job with fit and finish. When the competition is Harley you need to do better job. And for me, 1000 plus pounds is just too much. 3) What is going to happen to the Venture and the Super Tenere? From what I have been told, the Venture is pretty much as special order for the majority of dealers. They will sell them if you want it, but they will not stock it...just what I was told. The Super Tenere is due a revamp and I hope they do that, but it seems Yamaha is focusing on the T700 which has been a hit for them. Maybe, they will take the 900cc engine out of the MT09 and the Tracer and put it in a new ADV bike, the T900. That would be cool...but I am not holding my breath. 4) Would I buy the K1600 again? It is really to early to answer that question. We will see how it does on a long tour this year. Both my Vision and Tenere, were great on 12K mile trips, so I am hoping this bike will be equally as great. I love the bike as far as the power, handling, suspension and electronics go. The main issue I need to overcome is making the bike more comfortable for my wife by reducing the buffeting at highway speeds. I am going to try a different windshield and see if that makes any difference. Over all she is happy back there, but would like to make it more so. While I love the K, I still would have preferred to buy the R1200RT. I think, we could have made it comfortable for my wife, but she just did not see it at the dealer. The RT is lighter and from what I understand has better wind management. Maintenance costs are higher than a Yamaha, but not as much as the K1600. 5) About reliability, you are correct, if your primary concern is reliability and cost of ownership, buy a Honda or Yamaha. The problem is of course do they make a bike that you like? 6) Dealers, there are a good number of BMW dealers on the east cost. Max BMW has shops in North Hampton, NH, New Milford, CT, Windsor, CT (more central) and Brunswick, NY (near Albany and southern VT). In VT there is Frank's in Essex Junction. I would suggest that you ride as many bikes as you can and then get the one that makes you smile and meets your other criteria like reliability and dealer availability. I know several people who have purchased the new Gold Wing and they love them, even the DCT. I also have a couple of friends how have the Venture and love them too. It all gets down to individual preference. If you are riding solo, I would suggest trying some of the ADV bikes (Africa Twin, Super Tenere, BWM GS, Harley Panamerica) and see if they will meet your needs. At 6'4", you should not have any issue handling the seat height and they actually make great touring bikes and can be outfitted to carry much more than most big touring motorcycles. And, of course, you can go a lot more places with them. If my wife was not riding with me, I would have just kept the Tenere and used it for travel. Hope all of this helps!
@@LivingOffTheSlab THANKS and it definitely helped. I am leaning toward the StarVenture......but.....I am petrified that once I own one....even if I steal it when I buy it.....that there is NO resale for it. It would be like buying a huge RV. Once you own it....you really OWN it....and can't get rid of it. Last thing: ANY chance that you will be doing a review of a 2021 or 2022 Gold Wing Tour WITHOUT the automatic transmission any time soon? I was a little surprised that you didn't before you bought the K bike frankly....(but I think that you had your mind made up!) Also....and YOU are the ONLY guy I know who can answer this : Would you buy another K bike.....or a R1250 GSA for your next bike? That's all I've got!
The stock shield did not work for me either. I now have a 7Jurock with a flip that works very well. I keep the shield at about chest level, no buffeting and wind movement of the bike is dramatically decreased.
That is a beautiful machine and powerful. However, it's not for me. I have heard and read reviews about the turbulence and passenger discomfort. I guess that's why it has a "speed nanny" limiter for such a low top speed. My Wife and I do an annual "out west" trip of usually about 6,000 miles. Two up and pulling a loaded trailer. I check the oil once when I get back home just before I change it. ('13 G/Wing). I've owned four GL1800's and NEVER put a drop of oil between changes. BUT...the factory GPS is the pits. I still use my Garmin 660. Absolutely not trashing your choice. Just my opinion on why it's not for me. Would love the horsepower and the sound! It's great we have so many choices! Happy Trails!
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks for the correct info. My mistake. I don't know the models as well as I should. I wish I could make my Wing sound like that! Sounds like a Ferrari.
Solution: Purchase Harley Ultra Limited; - windscreen keeps both passengers in nice bubble although pillion passenger has poorer forward view, - turbulence, rock solid or as good as any other 850# bike, - doesn't burn oil or leave nasty spots on your rug, - easy oil check, but three holes - saddle bags and other attachments are top quality, no flimsy, floppy, oil-canny wobble, - Harley navigation system is ... erm, pretty good ... no practical issues. Problem solved. ;) S
As long as you don’t care about power, handling, braking, etc. I am quite impressed with the Revolution Max engine and I only hope Harley decides to build a touring bike (luxury, not adventure) around that engine. That would bring me into the Harley camp.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Likewise. I’d love to buy an American bike, but I am not willing to give up decades of performance and electronics improvements to do so.
If you're using that much oil there's something very wrong....no motorcycle has a 15,000 mile break-in period!! I'm on my 2nd BMW now and about to by the K1600B which will be probably my 24th or 25th motorcycle since I was 11 years old...I'm 67 now...I've never bought the BMW navigation...they're to damn expensive for what they are and most any cell phone map programs are so much better...which is about the same for all motorcycles with navigation programs.
Appreciate the input, but this is extremely common for the 1600. If you do a little searching in the BMW forums you will see that it also happens on the R bikes.
#7 The stock crankcase oil plug is poorly designed: when removing it during an oil change it can easily fall off an allen wrench into the oil pan, and is difficult to retrieve. It should be replaced with RL Lemke's Superplug (has a secure 1/4" socket). ruclips.net/video/2jsxSLObBQE/видео.html
@@LivingOffTheSlab I understand exactly what your saying. I thought,..." they went the wrong way. " I'm getting a ride in on my 14 Vision tomorrow in northern Utah. I also have a bushtec roadster. Love it.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Last year they increased trunk size on the Wing. You can also buy additional covers for the side boxes that give extra capacity. The GPS is also terrible on the Wing.
@@LivingOffTheSlab true but something do better than others. I can live with flimsy and changing a windshield. Not sure about the oil burning thing. I suppose it’s what you decide to live with
Thanks, excellent review of the pros and cons associated with owning a K1600...
Wow! Thank you for your review. I don't have any of those types of problems with my 2020 Honda Gold Wing Tour.
Every bike has its quirks.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I agree that every bike has its quirks, but the issues you described would be a deal-breaker for me. I was seriously considering the 2020 model of the K1600 GTL, until the dealership told me about the shifting forks breaking and the recall with that. Also, I enjoy doing all the maintenance and repairs on my motorcycles, and I can do that on a Honda with my skill level. Doing a valve job on a BMW requires a very high skill level.
I just bought my 5th K bike. Most of these items I've never really thought about. But the bike doesn't "burn" oil, the cats may handle some blow-by. It's a very large engine and the seals all need to set over time. Yes, it will take a good number of miles to finally get to fully seated, but this is normal. I had every edition of the Nav's, and never had a single issue. The cases are made to be strong when closed; they're made light weight for over all weight lessening. The stock shield works well, no need for a change there. Never have noticed any issues with passing traffic/trucks. Not sure why you're sales person told you to take it easy on them, they take everything I've thrown at them.
I have sense got rid the K due to overheating issues as well as a few other warranty problems. Maybe I got a lemon...but considering the cost of ownership for a bike that continually had issues, it was time to get rid of it.
Like you said, case by case.
A simple RUclips search of "K1600B complaints" pulls up NUMEROUS videos with the same issues , including the bike oscillating and the 100mph max speed on a bike with 160hp. BMW knows it's an issue as well as Garmin.
He also said the buffeting was an issue with the passenger not the driver.
I agree with all of these. I rarely have a passenger, so wind isn't a problem. I'm on Nav 6 number 3 or 4 at this point. All the failures occur after it sits in the garage during the winter. This time I'm bringing it inside. We'll see if I'm making my annual call to Garmin next January.
I am 67 and been riding legally over fifty years. Owned too many bikes to remember. I saw your video on the Vision was wondering what you were going to replace it with (I too also thought of a BMW GTL). I have the Arlen Ness Vision and it just runs lke a sporty luxury car..It is paid for and, now, after watching this video: I’m keeping my Vision till the wheels fall off...thank you.
Good choice.
I just sent my Motorrad Navigator VI back on Saturday for a replacement. Mine would do the ghost clicks, but even worse was it would completely go fuzzy like an old fashioned TV that didn't have a signal. (most of this was when it was below 50 degrees though).
The 2018 BMW has a problem with the oil burning due to a problem at the factory in measurement of the cylinder head. I heard the only fix is a new engine. My bike also burns oil as you say and the catalytic convertor does it jobs in hiding the smoke coming out the pipe. I purchased a 7 year warranty so I am probably going to bring it in to have it checked.
And you are spot on your opinions. I got my GPS unit free for me at the time of purchase.
Have not heard that. I have seen many posts going back to 2014 or 2015 having the same issue. Seems to be inherent in the engine design.
My k1600, 2012. Over 100k miles. Does not burn any more oil then when it was new. Oil changes I just put a level mark on my pour bottle so I know exactly how much to put Into the bike every 5k miles. 60k I put in new drive shaft, new plugs etc. 100k new plugs and coils,
Ive had mine since 2018 from new and have never had issues with burning oil, screen issue yes even as a rider and like you I hate looking through another layer of plastic when your already looking through the visor and BMW is a premium price but not the premium product that its portrayed as
I’ve had problems myself using the nav six.
I found that cleaning the contacts on the back of the unit and on the bike has helped.
I agree with your list, but also will had the goofy oil change procedure that is as goofy as the oil level check. There are two drain plugs and the upper plug is inside the crankcase and is easily dropped meaning you get to fish around with a magnet to get it out.
I first rode a GTL back in 2013 in Switzerland. I really thought that would be my next bike to replace my LT, but after riding it for two weeks in the Alps, it was no longer a candidate. The main issue was passenger comfort and lack of weather protection. My wife hated it. I am pretty sure she is taller than your wife at 5’9” and the buffeting of her head left her worn out at day’s end. If I bought a GTL, I would be riding solo in the future! I also found the cases very chintzy compared to those on the LT.
This doesn’t affect you as you have your work done at the dealer, but I just learned from the latest BMW ON magazine that BMW is going to try to force all owners to take their bikes to a dealer for all repairs and maintenance. They will no longer sell service manuals for model years after 2020. The article didn’t say this, but I would not be surprised if they also move to prevent owners from buying factory parts. This is a non-starter for me now as my nearest dealer is 148 miles away. I can’t believe BMW has adopted this policy, however, there will be no more BMWs in my future.
I test rode one before buying a Goldwing. I loved the power and handling, but it felt top heavy and I also noticed the wind, as I live in Oklahoma.
Not surprised by your comments; expect the list to grow. Hope you kept your Vision...lol. I own a 03 BMW R1200CL with 68000 miles on it and a 15 Vic CCT. The Beamer is a back up since getting the Victory! Safe Riding.
I just came back from Sturgis on my 2015 Vision: ran like a champ....smooth as a baby’s rear. I also have two XC’s.
I agree with you bro..
Ditto with the oil issues on my R1200RT. It's got 33,000 miles and burns oil like no bike I have ever owned. About the same as your 1600. The oil checking process is ridiculously complex and sets you up for failure. I'm kinda stuck with this bike for now, but I do have a lot of buyers remorse on this bike. Wish I had bought a Goldwing.
Hi craig i have exclusive 11 thousand miles had it 6 years never had gps probs run at very high speed yery high speed indeeed in rain and sunshine very slight weave on original rubber better on bridgestones i agree tthe pannier lids are very flimsey on a very expensive bike never noticed any oil useage the brakes handleing front fork the best ive ever used and that whaaaa ! sound when you wind it on is adictive stay safe happy and bonkers kapla!🤘
You dont ride enough to matter.
Spot on! I replaced the factory windscreen with a Marathon II from Wunderlich and really like it. I can look over it or put it all the way up. It does cause back pressure which causes me to open the vents a little.
The Garmin is a POS. I also had the VI on my GS Adventure. Same ghost clicks. Mostly when cold also. I did the recalibrate the touch screen routine and that seemed to clear it up for awhile. Awhile.
The one other gripe I have is that the transmission is pretty clunky and has a lot of lash in it. My GSA tranny was really smooth. Also, my K had the major overhaul done on the recall.
I’m planning a 10,000 miler this summer around the country so I may get a backup to the Garmin.
Coming from the Victory, this transmission is like butter...but I know what you mean, it clunks.
I picked up a very lightly used K1600GTL last year. The previous owner included a total of four different windscreens so he was obviously having similar issues with wind control. The one I decided to stick with was made by Cee Bailey. They no longer manufacture motorcycle windscreens but it works great. The first time I got the bike on the interstate I was shocked by how much it was affected by wind buffeting. My previous bike was a Concours 14. It was rock solid at any speed. I couldn't agree more regarding the oil checking procedure. It's a royal pain for what should be such a simple task. Thankfully I've had no issues with using oil. My biggest complaint with the bike is the driveline lash. I've been riding for over fifty years and I've never ridden a bike with that kind of "slop" in the driveline. It reminds me of a rear wheel drive car with worn out U joints. Maybe mine is worse than most as I've never ridden another one to compare it to. I've adjusted my shifting technique to make it tolerable but I find it very annoying.
Even with its quirks, for what I paid for the bike I feel like it was a good value. It's got a fantastic engine, handles great and stops on a dime. Not sure I would buy a new one without taking a very close look at a new GoldWing for roughly the same money but overall I'm happy with it.
Looking forward to following your Route 66 trip! Safe travels Craig.
I don't notice a lot drive line lash. Maybe I am just used to the shaft from having the Tenere. It is different than having a chain or belt for sure. One thing I find is that the bike does not like to be short shifted. It is much smoother if I keep the revs up and shift while accelerating.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks for the response. That's exactly what I found to be the best shifting technique. I'm probably just getting a little lazy with my shifting in my old age! I'm 65 and still look forward to riding as much as I did when I was a kid. I still turn around and look at the bike every time I get off!
@@MikeB-bm3qy I do the same, and my phone and computer backgrounds are of the GTL, and most of them are when I was riding last September in Glacier National Park on Going to the Sun Road.
I still say my Vic Cross Country Tour was the best bike I have ever owned. Maintenance was super easy, very comfy and could scoot when you wanted. With the trunk off I think the Vision was one of the sexiest bikes out there. Never been a Beemer fan, that double sump does sound interesting though.
Interesting list of nits. I would add that they go through rear tires quickly. . Another is a slight lack of stability at highway speeds- not as steady as the Gold Wing. Guess that’s the compromise for it being a superb canyon carver. So far so good on my nav Vl, and I’m at 34k miles
The first set of tires was done at 7000 miles. I am trying a different brand, the Dunlop Roadsmart IV and so far they look good at 3000. We shall see how they do. I agree, the K1600 needs a bit more attention than the Goldwing or a big cruiser, but as you said, it handles great in the curves.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I have the Roadsmart IV's on mine, and a couple thousand miles on them and they are still looking good. I had the Roadsmart III's on them and was able to squeeze about 9K out of them but that was pushing it!
@@dundonrl Thanks for the input. If I could get 9 or 10 out of a set, I would be happy.
I have never owned or ridden the BMW K1600 but can definitely relate to the windscreen issue you had. I ride both a Harley Electra Glide and a Honda GoldWing GL1800. I too like to look over the windscreen, not through it. I am 5’8” and on the GoldWing that is a problem. At the windscreens lowest setting, I was looking just over the top but I had to sit straight up to do that. I went with a MadStad Engineering windscreen and never been happier. Not only can I see well over the top, but I get no buffeting. On my Harley, I use a 7” recurve windscreen from Freedomsheild. It’s perfect.
Oh by the way… the built in GPS systems on GoldWing’s suck in my opinion. I use the older Garmin Zumo 595LM which is quite capable.
I am trying a new windscreen right now. This one seems to be the best so far, but need to put the wife on the back and see how it works for her. The new one has a flip. We shall see.
@@LivingOffTheSlab ……Yes, I agree. If she ain’t happy, you ain’t happy! 🤔
Guess I’m lucky having a 2013…Garmin is trouble free…oil check is digital on the dash readout…doesn’t burn any oil at all…never had a wobble of any kind from wind and especially trucks since I smoke them into my rear view in short order always…I have zero complaints it’s the best bike I can find to own and faster than the new ones…thanks for the review
I have a 17 gt. Mind you it is heavily modified. Full Remus exhaust, high flow air filter, cams, and dyno tune. Runs flawless. Perfect for the hill country in Texas where I live. For cross country 2 up I use my Ultra Limited. It too has many upgrades, too many to list. But man it rides like a caddy. Wife loves it. I like the GTL, but not near as comfortable as the Limited. Ride what works for you and ride free!!!!
@@Tinfoilhat311 yes if the wife ever came along I could see that…my style is to ride very fast and lots of mad man multiple vehicle passing…the Beamer is a missile and works better than anything I can imagine for hair on fire miles yes ! 😵💫
@btpiercy845 I get it. I ride my GT pretty darn hard. It's a rocket ship for sure, yet nimble in the canyons. My wife won't go near it, nor do I want her on it(That's why I bought it!). We do a huge ride every summer on the Harley(about 8500 miles). I find the support and available parts and service are superior to any other brand of motorcycle. Rarely do I have an issue, but when I do, the Harley people go out of their way to help you.
I recognize that little store at the 830 mark. Can't remember where it is, up by Vermont, Grand Isle? I know I went into that shop and ordered a sandwich and ate it across the street in that little fenced in area. I'm just north of Albany NY myself. Bought a K1600B back in October. Cant wait to rack up some miles this summer!
Good eye! I am with you...come on spring!
I own a 2020 Triumph Rocket which has an oil change interval of 10,000 miles. I do not even check the oil level between oil changes because it does not ever use any.
I'm on my 3rd Nav VI in a year. Yes Garmin replaced no questions asked, but I lost all my history, waypoints, etc. And have had refurbs both times.
Also quickly learned I needed to swap the windscreen on my 1200RT.
The GPS situation is unfortunate to say the least. I am thinking about trying a CalSci shield (has a vent) before the big trip. It is going to cost be to try it, but the only way I will find out what works best.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I hate to seem like I have unrealistic expectations, but I think something as fundamental as windscreen ought to be something BMW can handle. And GPS...this ain't exactly bleeding edge tech anymore. Previous bikes I just used my phone and had zero hassle. Also I believe that the Zumo will match the BMW mount you just lose wonder wheel controls. I used an old Zumo last time I did the warranty swap.
I'm hoping Garmin offers a good trade in:swap when they roll the Nav 7. They KNOW that they have a QA/Architecture problem with the 6. Probably won't, and they will raise the price. 🤬
I hear you about the windshield, but this is common on a lot of bikes. I had to replace the OEM on my Tenere as well as the mounting bracket. A friend did the same on his Triumph. Unfortunately, the Zumo XT will not replace the Nav IV directly. I have seen a mount that fits into the bike, extending the GPS in front of the dash. It might be a long term option. From what I have seen on the 2022 bikes, they are getting rid of the GPS altogether and going to phone apps. I don't really like this, but seems to be the way of the world.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I saw that. Is it 2022 models? From what I saw it was one of those fix one thing/break another things. (Display was smaller)
@@WJRobbins125 Yes, 2022, K1600s. Website says it is a 10.25 inch color TFT screen, so yeah bigger, but now you have to use Google Maps, I guess...
No thank u . I’ll keep my Goldwing ,& enjoy the BMWs from afar .
Please help me! I'm trying to decide between a 2019 Kawi Concurs14 with 2,400 miles and a K1600GT 2017 wit 5,500 miles. Both in great condition. I've only had inline 4 cylinder bikes / Honda, Suzuki n Yamaha. I've been reading a bunch of negative maintenance issues bout the K1600 (and recalls etc.). I'm not sure if this is truly misrepresented by only a small number of folks or what. Any input would greatly be appreciated. Which bike would you pick? What experience do you have with the K1600, reliability wise? I'm used to for the most part just jumping on a bike and rolling. I prefer as others would of course to keep that way. Thanks in advance! btw. My intention with K1600 which attracts me a bit more for a few reasons (over the C14) is using it for believe it or not as a daily commuter, and shorter rides. I'm not necessarily looking to put long haul miles on it. Thanks
I ended up trading in the BMW k1600 after three years. I had reliability issues when I took it on a long trip. It was over heating, so I decided it was not for me. The bike is also very expensive to maintain. After my experience, I would go with to the Kawasaki.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks so much for the reply!! Keep up the great work!
Airflow add ons prevents most of the buffering
I had the same first two issues on my FJR1300
It is very common to change windscreens or other items to improve wind flow. I have done it on other bikes as well.
Craig, I went through several windshields on my K16 (the GTL and now the GA) and BAY FAR the best I've found is from 7Jurock... quite effective on buffeting and keeping the front of the bike planted. I bought my GA used (4500 miles) and it had a vented Wunderlich on it which was good but no where near the effective as the 7Jurock screen. Highly recommended.
Thanks Chuck. Do you have the vent in the 7jurock, or the flip They tell me they do not have the vent in stock...no word on when they will get them.
And, did you try the CalSci shield?
@@LivingOffTheSlab Mine has the flip but no vent... my Wunderlich has the vent in it which I thought was pretty effective (first shield I've ever had with one) but the 7Jurock with the flip works extremely well. I'm 6"2" with a LONG torso and went with the 21" which is perfect for me and only have to "raise" it a few inches for optimal performance. Over the years I've found the lower you can keep the shield the more stable the front end is...
@@chuckpryor Thank you!
I have the vent and flip on my 7Jurock, and the vent makes no difference opened or closed. The flip, however, is very effective.
@@markhutchins6482 Thanks for the feedback! I just ordered one with a flip.
Hello bud from South Africa 🇿🇦. I just picked up my K16GT a few weeks ago and BMW gifted me with a nav 6. I noticed it's a new updated design, and the salesman said bmw sorted out all the issues, especially the ghosting, on this new design.
Maybe you should check it out.
Safe riding.....
Thanks I will have to do that.
Thanks for the options. Love the Klim too. Is it jacket and pant combo. Which model is that? How about boots?
It is a latitude, jacket and I have both the latitude and bad lands pants. For boots, I have several different GoreTex versions for different types of riding.
@@LivingOffTheSlab
My choice. Thank you kindly. Keep inspiring. Ride safe and ride often.
I’ve never had an issue with my Nav V. If you have another problem maybe you can go from a VI to a V ?
Thanx4post
Besides performance wise and gadgetry between the Victory Vision and the K16 which bike did you like best ? I love the performance spec for the K16 but a Vision under $5k is tempting.
They are very different bikes. BMW has more power, better handling, better brakes, lighter weight, has more b packing room. The Vision has a lower seat height, better wind protection, is more stable on the highway.
The BMW will cost you a lot more money to maintain. The Vision, you will need to do most of the work yourself and parts will be harder to find.
My wife was more comfortable on the Vision, but I like the more upright riding posture, which is why I am on an adventure bike now.
The Vision is a great bike and you can get them cheap, but know what you will be getting into as far as finding folks to work on them and finding parts.
The BMW, I got rid of because it was very expensive to maintain and had too many problems, like over heating.
Sorry for the long answer but I don't think it is as simple as which one I liked best. The Vision is the better deal and will be more reliable, cheaper to maintain. Just know what you might be getting into with a defunked bike.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks for the relply, Im on a KTM 1290 Super Adventure now which I’m trying to like but just having a hard time bonding with it, it’s got all the power and performance you ever need but its like riding a giant motocross bike everyday. I like having tunes heated grips on a bike, the closest bike I ever had to perfection was a 2013 F6B, oh if it was just a little lighter. After seeing what it takes just to access the spark plugs on the KTM I’m leaning to the Victory or something else entirely. Love the newer Harley’s but just don’t want to mortgage my home to get one.
The K1600 is too tall for me. I have been considering a Victory Vision. I got married last year and I’m trying to get her on the back of my bike, but she makes have ng difficulty reaching the ground more troublesome. I have a short inseam and the low seat height of the Vision.
Quick question? Have you ever experienced any handling or wobbling situations on the K1600? I are very close to buying a 2018 Your answer to the question will probably finish the deal for me.
Wobbling, or shake, no, but the bike does wander a bit on the highway. It is very effected by truck turbulence. It takes a bit to get used to and you have to be light on the bars. It is the top box. They need a floating mount.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks friend. I'm looking at a 2018 K1600b That I would like to purchase. What's concerned about the transmission recall and the wobble.
@@romesyoutubechannel5356 The transmission recall should have been done and is no issue. From my understanding the B, without the top case, does not wobble like the Grand America. Take it for a ride up the interstate and see if you like it
What model Shoei is that? I like it.
RF1200. The new model is RF1400.
Craig! I can't believe how many miles you put on the BMW this year! I'm getting "the itch" for a new bike.....so I need to ask your opinion of a couple of things if you don't mind. Here goes: 1) I'm riding a 2017 Electraglide Ultra presently here in Florida. It's a great bike...and has been excellent really. I actually re-watched your review of the Electraglide that you test rode at Cape Cod Harley and keep hearing "It's a nice bike...but it feels sort of cramped" or something to that affect. That...coming from subconsciously comparing it to your Victory I'm sure. But....I'm having the same problem. I'm 6'4" . Honestly, I think that I've outgrown the "having a pretty bike" to ride too. I think that I want something that's less fussy. Which brings me to....your K1600 ....or the Yamaha Star Venture that you tested: IF you were to do it again....would you buy another K 1600, knowing what you know now? Why? 2) Why do you think that no one....is buying the Star Venture Transcontinental? Is it the pricing? Is it the "big vents" look? It seems....like a pretty superior touring bike. I notice for 2022....all that they have done , (like they did with the Super Tenere') is carry over the 2021 model.....and in only 1 color: white? Sadly, the Super Tenere' is done. They're not building them any longer. Do you see that happening with the Star Venture also? Would you have ever bought one of those? I'm actually older than you and think very similarly. I , too, have been thinking about the weight of the bike thing....along with the safety features....and especially RADIAL tires. the BMW checks off many of my wants....but I'm no mechanic, I'm going to be up in Mass. for 6 months beginning this year, and see that there don't seem to be ANY BMW dealers in western NH. , VERMONT, and western Mass., and only 1 in Troy , NY. I believe. That...and the overall lack of reliability compared to the Japanese bikes. SO....if you were going to buy a new bike today, what would it be? That's what I need to know! LOL! (PS: Any chance that you will be testing a new Gold Wing Tour WITHOUT the damn automatic transmission anytime soon?) Sorry for the long questions!
A lot of good questions in there. I will try to answer them.
1) At the time I was riding the Ultra I did have the Vision and there is a big difference between the two. The dash and foot controls on the Ultra are closer to the rider and give it a more "cramped" feel. The Vision on the other hand has a lot of room to move around and the dash is out much further. Of all the bike out there, the latest Yamaha Venture is most like the Vision as far as cockpit room is concerned.
2) Why is the Venture not selling? I think for several reasons, but foremost because Yamaha made the same mistake Victory made in trying to straddle the classic v-twin engine and the modern design. Most people who are interested in a bike in this category are looking for an overall classic bike, with a classic name, like Harley Davidson or Indian. Second, Yamaha did not do a good job with fit and finish. When the competition is Harley you need to do better job. And for me, 1000 plus pounds is just too much.
3) What is going to happen to the Venture and the Super Tenere? From what I have been told, the Venture is pretty much as special order for the majority of dealers. They will sell them if you want it, but they will not stock it...just what I was told. The Super Tenere is due a revamp and I hope they do that, but it seems Yamaha is focusing on the T700 which has been a hit for them. Maybe, they will take the 900cc engine out of the MT09 and the Tracer and put it in a new ADV bike, the T900. That would be cool...but I am not holding my breath.
4) Would I buy the K1600 again? It is really to early to answer that question. We will see how it does on a long tour this year. Both my Vision and Tenere, were great on 12K mile trips, so I am hoping this bike will be equally as great. I love the bike as far as the power, handling, suspension and electronics go. The main issue I need to overcome is making the bike more comfortable for my wife by reducing the buffeting at highway speeds. I am going to try a different windshield and see if that makes any difference. Over all she is happy back there, but would like to make it more so. While I love the K, I still would have preferred to buy the R1200RT. I think, we could have made it comfortable for my wife, but she just did not see it at the dealer. The RT is lighter and from what I understand has better wind management. Maintenance costs are higher than a Yamaha, but not as much as the K1600.
5) About reliability, you are correct, if your primary concern is reliability and cost of ownership, buy a Honda or Yamaha. The problem is of course do they make a bike that you like?
6) Dealers, there are a good number of BMW dealers on the east cost. Max BMW has shops in North Hampton, NH, New Milford, CT, Windsor, CT (more central) and Brunswick, NY (near Albany and southern VT). In VT there is Frank's in Essex Junction.
I would suggest that you ride as many bikes as you can and then get the one that makes you smile and meets your other criteria like reliability and dealer availability. I know several people who have purchased the new Gold Wing and they love them, even the DCT. I also have a couple of friends how have the Venture and love them too. It all gets down to individual preference.
If you are riding solo, I would suggest trying some of the ADV bikes (Africa Twin, Super Tenere, BWM GS, Harley Panamerica) and see if they will meet your needs. At 6'4", you should not have any issue handling the seat height and they actually make great touring bikes and can be outfitted to carry much more than most big touring motorcycles. And, of course, you can go a lot more places with them. If my wife was not riding with me, I would have just kept the Tenere and used it for travel.
Hope all of this helps!
@@LivingOffTheSlab THANKS and it definitely helped. I am leaning toward the StarVenture......but.....I am petrified that once I own one....even if I steal it when I buy it.....that there is NO resale for it. It would be like buying a huge RV. Once you own it....you really OWN it....and can't get rid of it.
Last thing: ANY chance that you will be doing a review of a 2021 or 2022 Gold Wing Tour WITHOUT the automatic transmission any time soon? I was a little surprised that you didn't before you bought the K bike frankly....(but I think that you had your mind made up!)
Also....and YOU are the ONLY guy I know who can answer this : Would you buy another K bike.....or a R1250 GSA for your next bike?
That's all I've got!
I tried this one and the regular gt model,and I never found a windshield position without a lot of noise and buffeting!
The stock shield did not work for me either. I now have a 7Jurock with a flip that works very well. I keep the shield at about chest level, no buffeting and wind movement of the bike is dramatically decreased.
That is a beautiful machine and powerful. However, it's not for me. I have heard and read reviews about the turbulence and passenger discomfort. I guess that's why it has a "speed nanny" limiter for such a low top speed. My Wife and I do an annual "out west" trip of usually about 6,000 miles. Two up and pulling a loaded trailer. I check the oil once when I get back home just before I change it. ('13 G/Wing). I've owned four GL1800's and NEVER put a drop of oil between changes. BUT...the factory GPS is the pits. I still use my Garmin 660. Absolutely not trashing your choice. Just my opinion on why it's not for me. Would love the horsepower and the sound! It's great we have so many choices! Happy Trails!
Thanks for the feedback. By the way, the GTL does not have a top speed restriction. That is the Grand America which has a different bag configuration.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks for the correct info. My mistake. I don't know the models as well as I should. I wish I could make my Wing sound like that! Sounds like a Ferrari.
@2:30 “light touch”: In other words, you’re just not familiar with BMW. they first made aeroplanes…SOLELY AEROPLANES.
Solution:
Purchase Harley Ultra Limited;
- windscreen keeps both passengers in nice bubble although pillion passenger has poorer forward view,
- turbulence, rock solid or as good as any other 850# bike,
- doesn't burn oil or leave nasty spots on your rug,
- easy oil check, but three holes
- saddle bags and other attachments are top quality, no flimsy, floppy, oil-canny wobble,
- Harley navigation system is ... erm, pretty good ... no practical issues.
Problem solved.
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There ya go...for just $35K I can fix all my issues...LOL.
As long as you don’t care about power, handling, braking, etc.
I am quite impressed with the Revolution Max engine and I only hope Harley decides to build a touring bike (luxury, not adventure) around that engine. That would bring me into the Harley camp.
@@LTVoyager I thought the same thing when the VRod came out. Hopefully, this time will work out better.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Likewise. I’d love to buy an American bike, but I am not willing to give up decades of performance and electronics improvements to do so.
Maintence, repair cost and dealer network on long road trips…
We will find out this year...
@@LivingOffTheSlab Number of BMW service shops in US (closed on Sat after 3PM many places): ~130
Number of Harley shops in US.: ~700
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Yes, this is a huge issue. My nearest dealer is 148 miles away and I don’t live in Wyoming, I live in Pennsylvania!
If you're using that much oil there's something very wrong....no motorcycle has a 15,000 mile break-in period!! I'm on my 2nd BMW now and about to by the K1600B which will be probably my 24th or 25th motorcycle since I was 11 years old...I'm 67 now...I've never bought the BMW navigation...they're to damn expensive for what they are and most any cell phone map programs are so much better...which is about the same for all motorcycles with navigation programs.
Appreciate the input, but this is extremely common for the 1600. If you do a little searching in the BMW forums you will see that it also happens on the R bikes.
@5:30 usa=gorilla. bmw=finesse
#7 The stock crankcase oil plug is poorly designed: when removing it during an oil change it can easily fall off an allen wrench into the oil pan, and is difficult to retrieve. It should be replaced with RL Lemke's Superplug (has a secure 1/4" socket). ruclips.net/video/2jsxSLObBQE/видео.html
Think you'll try out a wing? I think I'd really like to have one. Without the DCT.
I would love to try one, but was not a fan of what they did to the storage. However, now I have a trailer.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I understand exactly what your saying. I thought,..." they went the wrong way. " I'm getting a ride in on my 14 Vision tomorrow in northern Utah. I also have a bushtec roadster. Love it.
@@I_am_archie Enjoy!
@@LivingOffTheSlab Last year they increased trunk size on the Wing. You can also buy additional covers for the side boxes that give extra capacity. The GPS is also terrible on the Wing.
You should have told your wife she just needs to learn to love to ride the Super Tenere
Yeah, that would work out well...
My 2014 Garmin V has worked flawlessly over 70k miles.
Bikes are windy
Moto Guzzi 1400 Tourer
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Nope,
38000 miles and it still burns a 1/4 liter of oil /1000miles
You would think that if you drop this kind of coin on a bike it would be perfect. Hope it treats you well.
Since when does life work that way? Nothing is perfect.
@@LivingOffTheSlab true but something do better than others. I can live with flimsy and changing a windshield. Not sure about the oil burning thing. I suppose it’s what you decide to live with