Sir Tahir Malik are my teacher. He’s the great personality, he have vast knowledge in politics especially politics of South Asia. He’s considered best analyst and teacher in Islamabad for his immense knowledge. Allah bless him. More power to you sir.
Sir, for your kind information, Pakistan is classified as greater-middle eastern country for political & cultural studies - this is because Pakistan's culture & politics have origins in the middle east. For geographical studies, Pakistan is studied as a South-Asian country. None of what applies to South-Asia applies to Pak - may it be religion, political setup, ethnicity of people, their culture, living habits, values & beliefs, societal structure, history, social issues, economic drivers etc. This is exactly the reason why no Pakistani political analyst ever came up with any sensible analysis on any topic. Even the Pakistanis doing PhDs in foreign universities produced nothing worthier than what can go into a garbage can. Their assumption that Pak is south-Asian from a political & cultural perspective is completely flawed.
he said that people against the power of political parties are against the parliamentary system which is an extremely flawed narrative. Anyone who understands the parliamentary system of pakistan knows that it keeps the prime minister who is supposed to be the main authority vulnerable to third parties who can exploit his weakness for their own benefit and also makes it easier for outsiders to influence government. Pakistans parliamentary system is perfectly suited to the people who do not want any one elected person to be above the influence of the mafias and the iron grip of the establishment.
@arbab gul feryal And how can military hijack a President? A President is directly elected by People. They can only use Parliament to impeach him. But how would they impeach him if a President is good? Military would not go against goodwill of masses and create an anti army feeling. So it's very Difficult for military to hijack a President which directly elected by people and not indirectly by MNAs. In parliamentary system, military can use MNAs to overthrow a PM and bring another one. That's why every PM, in history of Pakistan, lives under fear of being overthrow. So to avoid it, PM has to give favours to his party members and even accept unlawful demands. The PM also defends corruption of his own party members to avoid collapse of government. This is one of the main hindrances in front of process of accountability. Imran khan became PM only by accepting people who have been in corrupt parties like PPP, PML Q..... How would he create Riyasat e madina, if he has to accept unlawful demands of his pti members? He can never create Riyasat e madina with Parliamentary system because he would have to constantly accept blackmailing of his ministers. If he promotes an investigation against any corruption of hi s minister, his government will collapse. How long will he have to contest Election to avoid being stuck in this mess?? It's very difficult to satisfy hundreds of People, if Imran khan wants bring radical reforms. Imran khan has to be freed from shackles of parliamentary system if we want him to succeed in creating Riyasat e madina. We need Presidential System that would allow him to chose his cabinet as per competence and Not out of coercion.
Presidential system can work in Pakistan with a powerful local body structure in form of mayors for every town, village and city. In the long run a national identity could be developed and in short term the president won’t need corrupt MNAs more or less controlled by the establishment, to get into power and hence stay under constant pressure or blackmailing tactics. Instead he/ she could form the cabinet by picking the capable persons for the job, who could belong to any political party.
Parliamentary system has miserably failed in Pakistan. Once a PM is elected;he is considered selected. All opposition parties starts creating havoc to dethrone the elected PM. Both the ruling party and confluence of opposition parties demean each other on roads and parliament's floor where legislation has to be done. PM spends five years like a rollar-coaster ride with the fear of removal from office. Is this democracy?
@@pakzindabad7572 what about Pakistan? Here, we are not concerned with how it is performing in other countries. The question is why it is not performing in Pakistan? If this is the best system then why there is a lot of hue and cry of rigging, resigning, protesting, calling a democratic elected government as selected by establishment? You can't close your eyes because of the fear of a cat! Let the cat out of the box! Discuss and don't try to say a shutup call to anybody. Don't you think Quaid e Azam was a staunch supporter of freedom of thoughts and expression? If you are a true follower of him, show this through your words and actions. So be careful when you talk to anybody. You can't impose your thoughts on others. Follow rationality and wisdom. Build some courage to listen to your opponent. Hope you understand it!
At the end he said, "PM NS got disqualified by the SC and later on he resigned". There is no such choice either to stay or resign. After a clear judgment by SC, he was immediately disqualified and out of power corridors.
I disagree with your Analysis! System definetly matters a lot. Pakistan needs a Presidential system. We have used Parliamentary system for 19 years(as you said), then tell me did Pakistan make progress or suffered Downfall? I would say Massive Downfall under multiple regimes of Parliamentary system. Constitution has been amended by corrupt elite to adjust it according to needs of elite and Not in the interests of People of Pakistan. MNA's role should be Legislation only. But in parliamentary system, MNAs get also development funds and their Legislation is deeply correlated to their monetary benefits. Legislation is done to make way for corrupt judges to take over judiciary in the long run to derail accountability of powerful elite. Development is only done in those areas where MNAs would get votes for re-election. Police System is destroyed to help MNAs bypass accountability and rule of Law. Parliament has become a gathering of corrupt elite. It's no more a respected place for guarding interests of masses. If a Honest person get elected as a PM, he faces constant blackmailing by opposition and his own party members to give them favours or work for interests of an elite. If he puts aside demands of elite, he is threatened with a possible collapse of government. Interests of people of Pakistan are pushed aside and are not even the Priority. We never had a democratic Presidential system. In the past we had martial law administrations that came with military force, not democratically. General Ayub came through a martial law and chose himself by a limited electoral college of basic Democrats of 80 000 people. Larger population was not allowed to elect President. That's why even Fatima Jinnah lost because of limited electoral college. Zia ul Haq and musharraf also came with Coup and imposed their rule with Force. It does not matter if they did referendum or not. We all know how voting works in Pakistan. Even if people had voted against them, they would not have gone because they had command of military force with them. People of Pakistan never elected a President directly in a democratic way. Presidential System is better suitable for Pakistan. Parliamentary System is a system of a rich elite. It has failed to safeguard interests of people of Pakistan.
Whether it is parliamentary or presidential democracy, the system would still remain corrupt and inefficient unless and until judiciary is reformed thoroughly. It doesn't help a substandard person when couldn't do anything in life becomes a lawyer and start practicing sitting under a banyan tree selling stamp papers and eventually end up as a judge in high and supreme courts. Same failure of substandard judiciary reflects the failure of the entire country as a whole.
You can not bring reforms for Judiciary in this parliamentary system because parliament is full of corrupts people. They will never agree on any law that would go against interests of this Elite. They would make sure that majority of judges, that are appointed in courts, are not appointed on merit or are corrupt. Only corrupt judges will protect interests of corrupt elite of Parliamentary system. IF we bring Presidential System, corrupt people would not prefer to become MNAs because in P.S. MNAs will not get development funds and their job would be only Legislation. Corrupts will instead fight for muncipal elections or district level administration. In this way Pakistan's parliament would get people who are more likely to be competent to make legislation. In parliamentary system, MNAs get development funds and at the same time can make legislation. So obviously they will make laws that give them monetary benefits. That's how corruption increases. Presidential System is a lot better and we definitely need it. You can not say that system does not matter. It definitely Matters a lot!
biased opinion. Presidential system is a lot better. The most powerful and economically strong countries in the world, have Presidential System. Why is it working there since long and why Pakistan can not have it?
USA has one of the greatest presidential system yet their states are very independent as well So this perspective is wrong that presidential system itself takes away the freedom of provinces/states.
بدلنا ہے تو رِندوں سے کہو اپنا چلن بدلیں فقط ساقی بدل جانے سے میخانہ نہ بدلے گا کمی ہے اس میں کرداروں کی، مقصد کی، تاثّر کی فقط سرخی بدل جانے سے افسانہ نہ بدلے گا
He says Pakistan inherited british west minister parliamentary system.thats totally wrong. Pakistan did not have parliamentary system until 1970. Jinnah is on record favoring presidential system for Pakistan. over British parliamentary system..who made this guy professor?
A graveyard that Pakistan has become, the most grieved tomb is that of the governance system. Our problem is not the form of government but is governance. Why can't we realise this fact!
Brother, System matters a lot. For example, if you want to travel using an airplane, would you say that Airplane does not matter and only pilot matters? Parliamentary System is a system that favours a rich elite, not larger population of Pakistan. MNAs elect PM. If a person does not follow interests of an elite, those MNAs would oppose his Position of PM and would constantly try to overthrow him. PM would be constantly blackmailed by his party members if he does not give them favours. We need a Presidential system that allows the majority of people to elect our Leader directly without interference of MNAs or establishment or anyone else. Presidential System has so many benefits. It is a lot better. That's why powerful countries chose Presidential System and rejected Parliamentary system. Think about it.
@@Wanderer975 Brother, you have evinced a good point here. To some extent, I even agree with you. But, the thing is that to bridge the gap between the people and the higher echelons of state administration, we need to have a strong local body government. It will not only enhance the representation of common people but will also ameliorate our governance system. Meanwhile, as far as other presidential systems of the world are concerned, they are mature. They have strived for a long time such as the US presidential system and French presidential system. I will reiterate my point that what good is a presidential system if we have moribund governance in our country? All we need are major reforms in our system of governance, law, and execution.
We don’t care about Presidential or Parliamentary form, it’s all about good governance. Not everything in US or other countries is great. Once one leaves Pakistan, one realises that Pakistan has a great potential and a lot to offer. Kuch loha kharab, kuch lohar. Global forces doesn’t want us to grow and become stronger and we are also no sincere as well.
There is critical twist in the narration of the difference between Presidential and Parliamentary system explained by Tahir. The crux of the matter is the governance in parliamentary democracy weakens institutions whereas in Presidential form the institutions are strengthened. There is no need to have a Chief Minister in or Prime Minister in the house when President is functional enough to take decisions. With NSC instituted in the country, I'm hopeful this new form of Government will be reinstated with major reforms in the previous charter.
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Tahir Malik Sb is a great intellectual and is one of my favorite teachers and in fact i once told him that the current plight of Muslims is caused by abandoning the political aspects of Islam. Here we're debating the pros and cons of Presidential/parliamentery democracy but Allah commands Aelaye Kalimatullah. How can you impose Adam Smith, Machiavelli and JJ Rousseau's ideas upon the Muslim masses more than 80% of whom advocates for Sharia in the country (As per the pew survey). This country will never get on the track unless what the people seeks become the ruling system. When Russians sought communism and implemented it, they achieved great successes. When the westerners adopted what they believed in as the ruling system, they made unprecedented advancements. The Muslim Ummah believes in Islam and so it can achieve the glory through implementation of Sharia. Not to forget that it's the command of Allah whether success comes with it or not.
Two twins were born in 1971 after partition of united Pakistan. Original Pakistan becomes Bangladesh and West Pakistan becomes Pakistan. Both countries were founded on right-wing Islamic ideology. But, 1. Bangladesh becomes a successful democracy and Pak becomes pretty much an Islamic dictatorship. 2. Bangladesh has a respectable image as a developing nation. Pakistan is known for nothing but terrorism. 3. Bangladesh is rated highly on every measure as compared to Afghanistan or Pakistan. How did this happen? Why don't Pakistanis do comparative studies with Bangladesh and do some TV shows? As an Indian I would like to see such studies. Same with Pakistan's brothers Iran & Afghanistan. Afghanistan & Pak have the exact same culture. But don't see any TV shows about Afghanistan affairs.
First presidential system needed for pakistan 2 make new provinces according to population and ethnicityies and abolish these cm post implement direct governorships 3- A strong local govt municipal govt with district financial award and a cess in sales tax and income tax which will transfer to every district municipal govt
The Upper System is fine. Parliamentary System is much better than Presidential System as there is no clash between Executive and Legislative Branch, which exists in Presidential System. Moreover, the Executive Branch i.e. Federal Cabinet remains under check -n-balance by the Parliament. Presidential System makes the Executive Branch, to some extent, unquestionable. Pakistan needs to evolve its Lower System, Not the Upper One. Pakistan needs to become either a Unitary State or a Confederation. This middle thing 'Federation' is damaging the country. Either give significant power to provinces or make the provincial govts. powerless and divide power among Center and Tehsil Govts.
Bro, it was Army that tried many times to bring local government system in Pakistan. After millitary rule ended, local government system became disfunctional again. Why? Because MNAs get development funds along legislative powers and they are not ok with funds being diverted to lower level with local government system. They want to keep that money with themselves and use it also for personal benefits. That's why they make laws to make local government system dysfunctional. This is happening for a long time. In Parliamentary system, PM is forced to choose people within a small group of people belonging to his party. If his party members get annoyed, they start blackmailing him for not giving them ministries. How can a PM work for the nation, if he is under constant fear of being blackmailed or ousted from government?? He would waste all his time & energies on saving his seat, rather than working for the nation. What if there are no competent people in party for some ministries? Can an incompetent team run a country? This is happening with PTI. In presidential system, there are also checks & balances. Legislative bodies can make laws to restrict Presidential powers & can question him according to laws in the constitution. Impeachment is also there. Moreover President is questionable & responsible to the people of the country. If he does anything against wishes of people, he can be impeached & would not be elected again. Presidential system is better than parliamentary system. Parliamentary system is still working in those countries where people are highly educated and stands up for their rights and against corruption. It can not work in Pakistan. Majority of population is illiterate in Pakistan. MNAs use vote for personal interests & would not let a honest PM make reforms that limits their influence or monetary benefits. MNAs also do not want to be held accountable. This is a vicious circle we are caught in. Presidential system would allow us (majority population) to elect a honest leader. He would have freedom to choose any competent person all over Pakistan for the right job in any ministry. He would create a local government system that works for lower levels of society. If we keep parliamentary system, MNAs would continue to be elected by illiterate people. MNAs are usually illiterate & incompetent people who use money & influence to get elected using huge money for public campaign. Once they get elected, they use development funds to compensate their own electoral expenses. If we don't get honest & competent MNAs, how will Pakistan progress?? We are already behind rest of the world, can we afford to continue like this? We would be left too far from rest of the world
میں آپ کے تجزیہ سے متفق نہیں ہوں! سسٹم یقینی طور پر بہت اہمیت رکھتا ہے۔ پاکستان کو صدارتی نظام کی ضرورت ہے۔ ہم نے 19 سال تک پارلیمانی نظام استعمال کیا (جیسا کہ آپ نے کہا) تو بتائیے کیا پاکستان نے ترقی کی یا تنزلی کا شکار ہوا؟ پارلیمانی نظام میں جتنی بھی حکومتیں آئی، سب ملک کو تنزلی کی طرف لے کر گئے۔ کرپٹ اشرافیہ نے آئین میں اتنی زیادہ ترامیم کی ہیں تاکہ اسے اشرافیہ کی ضروریات کے مطابق ڈھالا جا سکے، نہ کہ پاکستان کی عوام کے مفاد کے مطابق۔ ایم این اے کا کام صرف قانون سازی کا ہونا چاہیے۔ لیکن پارلیمانی نظام میں ایم این اے کو ترقیاتی فنڈز بھی ملتے ہیں اور یہ قانون سازی بھی کرتے ہیں جس کا ان کے مالیاتی فوائد سے گہرا تعلق ہوتا ہے۔ طاقتور اشرافیہ کے احتساب سے بچانے کے لیے طویل مدت میں بدعنوان ججوں کو عدلیہ میں غلط طریقے سے لگوایا جاتا ہے۔ جو بھی تھوڑی سی ترقی ہوتی ہے وہ صرف ان علاقوں میں ہوتی ہے جہاں حکمران دوبارہ الیکشن کے لیے ووٹ حاصل کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔ احتساب اور قانون کی حکمرانی کو نظرانداز کرنے میں ایم این اے کی مدد کے لیے پولیس کا نظام تباہ کر دیا گیا ہے۔ پارلیمنٹ کرپٹ اشرافیہ کا اجتماع بن چکی ہے۔ عوام کے مفادات کی حفاظت کے لیے اب یہ قابل احترام ادارا نہیں رہی۔ اگر کوئی ایماندار شخص وزیر اعظم کے طور پر منتخب ہو بھی جائے تو اسے اپوزیشن اور اس کی اپنی پارٹی کے ارکان کی طرف سے مسلسل بلیک میلنگ کا سامنا کرنا پڑتا ہے تاکہ وہ اسے نوازیں یا اشرافیہ کے مفادات کے لیے کام کریں۔ اگر وہ اشرافیہ کے مطالبات کو نہیں مانتا، تو اسے حکومت کے ممکنہ خاتمے کا خطرہ ہمیشہ رہتا ہے۔ پاکستانی عوام کے مفادات کو ایک طرف دھکیل دیا جاتا ہے اور ترجیحات بھی نہیں رکھا جاتا۔ ہمارے ہاں کبھی جمہوری صدارتی نظام نہیں تھا۔ ماضی میں ہمارے پاس مارشل لاء انتظامیہ تھی جو فوجی طاقت کے ساتھ آتی تھی، جمہوری طریقے سے نہیں۔ جنرل ایوب مارشل لاء کے ذریعے آئے اور 80,000 لوگوں کے بنیادی ڈیموکریٹس کے ایک محدود الیکٹورل کالج کے ذریعے خود کو منتخب کیا۔ بڑی آبادی کو صدر منتخب کرنے کی اجازت نہیں تھی۔ اسی لیے فاطمہ جناح بھی محدود الیکٹورل کالج کی وجہ سے ہار گئیں۔ ضیاء الحق اور مشرف بھی بغاوت کے ساتھ آئے اور طاقت سے اپنی حکومت مسلط کی۔ اس سے کوئی فرق نہیں پڑتا کہ انہوں نے ریفرنڈم کروایا یا نہیں۔ ہم سب جانتے ہیں کہ پاکستان میں ووٹنگ کیسے کام کرتی ہے۔ اگر لوگ ان کے خلاف ووٹ دیتے تب بھی وہ نہ جاتے کیونکہ ان کے پاس فوجی دستے کی کمان تھی۔ پاکستانی عوام نے کبھی براہ راست صدر منتخب نہیں کیا۔ صدارتی نظام پاکستان کے لیے بہتر ہے۔ پارلیمانی نظام امیر اشرافیہ کا نظام ہے۔ پاکستان کے عوام کے مفادات کا تحفظ کرنے میں ناکام رہا ہے۔ اس نظام کو چلائے رکھنے کی بات ایک احمقانہ بےوقوفی کے سوا کچھ نہیں۔
we have seen 2 systems, but those are not Parliamentry and PResidential... we ahave seen Parliamentry and Dictatorship.. we havent actually seen a Civilian PResidential system..
Actually neither parliamentary nor presidential will work in Pakistan because majority of people are munifiq and specially all the top thugs of the country are politician, why even we need so many elected MNA and MPA, in the parliament there should be only 10 to 12 chairs, sitting should be Asif Ali Bhutto and family, Nawaz Sharief family, maulana family and 3,4 other part chief, whatever they agree upon their slaves agree with that, everything has failed and will fail in future. Just government should keep begging from international donors.
provinces are not accountable and local high courts protect them...JSQM still exists and is being aided by local governments. ..PTM came up in last few years.. BNP is strong..so in essence 18th amendment has failed to provide the required change..
Parliamentary system can only function in a society which respects each others opinion. Our society is homogenous and each has his own agenda. Direct election of president in our country will provide more cohesion to our country
I am ending watching this video the moment the he refers to martial law times as an example of presential system! The truth Pakistan has never had an elected President like Turkey where people directly elect their president
Flawed analysis. No institution be supreme whether parliament or executive or judiciary. Divide power equally and be each a check on one another. So everybody can check each other.
In Pakistan Parliamentary system is not suitable there is nothing wrong in the form of government rather people who are ruling under this violating to their advantage. Every electable acts like a king and sold under a price then these electable choose their prime minister and PM in the whole tenure gets black mail. It is very much difficult to form one government which as power to deliver mostly government are formed under collation this creates further opportunities for weak form of government. In Pakistan whenever a comparison is done they always do it with dictatorship which is a wrong comparison.
Wo tu sb thk h lkn economic ki baat e nhi hui, yh tu btao k agr palimentry system itna e acha h tu phr inflation, unemployment high dollar rates q hn aaj.?
WE NEEED A CALIPHATE. IF U WANT TO MODERNIZE It. aap bol kuch aur lein we need to select one caliph and then he selects people as wazir or sultans of each area. presidential is the same as this .! one person runs the entire country and others who won by votes. but forget that.
Kindly correct yourself Karachi aur Sindh Alag Nahen hain... Karachi Sindh ka Hissa hai to Karachi aur Sindh ko seperately mention karna band karen... Yeh Taaaasub na phelaen
@@drkanbhookhanmari941 karachi ke saath jo ppp ne kara hain wo ziyadti se kam nahi hain, karachi alag nahi houn magr aisa ek shehr hain jiske pas koi autonomy nahi hain.
@Ray Magrey ye kis na kaha ap ko mare bhai osmaniyo na bhi tho khilafat kaiyam ki thi unho na tho nahin kaha ka khilafat sirf iman mahdi ka dor main kaiyam ho gi
Jamhooriyat woh Nizam hai k jis mein afrrad ko gina jata hai, tola nahi jata. Sultani e Jamhoor ka idea to already suggested hai... awaam kisi ko Sultan manay to phir hi baat hai.
Ye sahb ye btana bhool ge ke Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia ul Haq aur Musharaf ka presidential system asal me Marshal law tha unka taluq ksi political party se nhi tha,,, Pakistan ki bqa sirf political presidential system me hy
ہاں بدقسمتی یہ ہے کہ حکومت میں وزراء کی لسٹ بھی کہیں اور سے آتی ہے جن کو دو چار ممبر ادھر ادھر کرنے یا وزیر محترم کا وزیراعظم سے اختلاف کوئی مشکل بھی نہیں ہوتا ہے
Why we are following western system not prophet muhammad (saw)system 😐 pakistan is muslim country or chiristan (allah ki lannat ho sirf naam ki muslim qoum pr)
A true change will only come when we educate a whole new generation regarding rule of law, ethics and moral values, a whole cultural shift is needed in every aspect of life
Thanks for your appreciation
Sir Tahir Malik are my teacher. He’s the great personality, he have vast knowledge in politics especially politics of South Asia. He’s considered best analyst and teacher in Islamabad for his immense knowledge. Allah bless him. More power to you sir.
Sir, for your kind information, Pakistan is classified as greater-middle eastern country for political & cultural studies - this is because Pakistan's culture & politics have origins in the middle east. For geographical studies, Pakistan is studied as a South-Asian country. None of what applies to South-Asia applies to Pak - may it be religion, political setup, ethnicity of people, their culture, living habits, values & beliefs, societal structure, history, social issues, economic drivers etc. This is exactly the reason why no Pakistani political analyst ever came up with any sensible analysis on any topic. Even the Pakistanis doing PhDs in foreign universities produced nothing worthier than what can go into a garbage can. Their assumption that Pak is south-Asian from a political & cultural perspective is completely flawed.
your teacher is a patwaari
@@dourbeen you don't know a thing about him then
@@dourbeen then I can say you’re youthia because youthia don’t like non partisan.
is* my teacher.
They interviewed one person who's against presidential system. TCM must interview different people with different views
he said that people against the power of political parties are against the parliamentary system which is an extremely flawed narrative. Anyone who understands the parliamentary system of pakistan knows that it keeps the prime minister who is supposed to be the main authority vulnerable to third parties who can exploit his weakness for their own benefit and also makes it easier for outsiders to influence government. Pakistans parliamentary system is perfectly suited to the people who do not want any one elected person to be above the influence of the mafias and the iron grip of the establishment.
@arbab gul feryal
And how can military hijack a President?
A President is directly elected by People.
They can only use Parliament to impeach him.
But how would they impeach him if a President is good?
Military would not go against goodwill of masses and create an anti army feeling.
So it's very Difficult for military to hijack a President which directly elected by people and not indirectly by MNAs.
In parliamentary system, military can use MNAs to overthrow a PM and bring another one.
That's why every PM, in history of Pakistan, lives under fear of being overthrow.
So to avoid it, PM has to give favours to his party members and even accept unlawful demands.
The PM also defends corruption of his own party members to avoid collapse of government.
This is one of the main hindrances in front of process of accountability.
Imran khan became PM only by accepting people who have been in corrupt parties like PPP, PML Q.....
How would he create Riyasat e madina, if he has to accept unlawful demands of his pti members?
He can never create Riyasat e madina with Parliamentary system because he would have to constantly accept blackmailing of his ministers.
If he promotes an investigation against any corruption of hi s minister, his government will collapse.
How long will he have to contest Election to avoid being stuck in this mess??
It's very difficult to satisfy hundreds of People, if Imran khan wants bring radical reforms.
Imran khan has to be freed from shackles of parliamentary system if we want him to succeed in creating Riyasat e madina.
We need Presidential System that would allow him to chose his cabinet as per competence and Not out of coercion.
Presidential system can work in Pakistan with a powerful local body structure in form of mayors for every town, village and city. In the long run a national identity could be developed and in short term the president won’t need corrupt MNAs more or less controlled by the establishment, to get into power and hence stay under constant pressure or blackmailing tactics. Instead he/ she could form the cabinet by picking the capable persons for the job, who could belong to any political party.
Parliamentary system has miserably failed in Pakistan. Once a PM is elected;he is considered selected. All opposition parties starts creating havoc to dethrone the elected PM. Both the ruling party and confluence of opposition parties demean each other on roads and parliament's floor where legislation has to be done.
PM spends five years like a rollar-coaster ride with the fear of removal from office.
Is this democracy?
Parliamentary system was the choice of Jinnah. Its working great in many countries, so shutup and keep your wish to yourself.
@@pakzindabad7572 what about Pakistan? Here, we are not concerned with how it is performing in other countries. The question is why it is not performing in Pakistan? If this is the best system then why there is a lot of hue and cry of rigging, resigning, protesting, calling a democratic elected government as selected by establishment?
You can't close your eyes because of the fear of a cat!
Let the cat out of the box! Discuss and don't try to say a shutup call to anybody.
Don't you think Quaid e Azam was a staunch supporter of freedom of thoughts and expression? If you are a true follower of him, show this through your words and actions.
So be careful when you talk to anybody. You can't impose your thoughts on others. Follow rationality and wisdom. Build some courage to listen to your opponent.
Hope you understand it!
At the end he said, "PM NS got disqualified by the SC and later on he resigned". There is no such choice either to stay or resign. After a clear judgment by SC, he was immediately disqualified and out of power corridors.
he is a patwari
I disagree with your Analysis!
System definetly matters a lot.
Pakistan needs a Presidential system. We have used Parliamentary system for 19 years(as you said), then tell me did Pakistan make progress or suffered Downfall?
I would say Massive Downfall under multiple regimes of Parliamentary system.
Constitution has been amended by corrupt elite to adjust it according to needs of elite and Not in the interests of People of Pakistan.
MNA's role should be Legislation only.
But in parliamentary system, MNAs get also development funds and their Legislation is deeply correlated to their monetary benefits.
Legislation is done to make way for corrupt judges to take over judiciary in the long run to derail accountability of powerful elite.
Development is only done in those areas where MNAs would get votes for re-election.
Police System is destroyed to help MNAs bypass accountability and rule of Law.
Parliament has become a gathering of corrupt elite. It's no more a respected place for guarding interests of masses.
If a Honest person get elected as a PM, he faces constant blackmailing by opposition and his own party members to give them favours or work for interests of an elite.
If he puts aside demands of elite, he is threatened with a possible collapse of government.
Interests of people of Pakistan are pushed aside and are not even the Priority.
We never had a democratic Presidential system.
In the past we had martial law administrations that came with military force, not democratically.
General Ayub came through a martial law and chose himself by a limited electoral college of basic Democrats of 80 000 people.
Larger population was not allowed to elect President.
That's why even Fatima Jinnah lost because of limited electoral college.
Zia ul Haq and musharraf also came with Coup and imposed their rule with Force.
It does not matter if they did referendum or not. We all know how voting works in Pakistan.
Even if people had voted against them, they would not have gone because they had command of military force with them.
People of Pakistan never elected a President directly in a democratic way.
Presidential System is better suitable for Pakistan.
Parliamentary System is a system of a rich elite. It has failed to safeguard interests of people of Pakistan.
people are stupid tho
Whether it is parliamentary or presidential democracy, the system would still remain corrupt and inefficient unless and until judiciary is reformed thoroughly.
It doesn't help a substandard person when couldn't do anything in life becomes a lawyer and start practicing sitting under a banyan tree selling stamp papers and eventually end up as a judge in high and supreme courts.
Same failure of substandard judiciary reflects the failure of the entire country as a whole.
You can not bring reforms for Judiciary in this parliamentary system because parliament is full of corrupts people. They will never agree on any law that would go against interests of this Elite.
They would make sure that majority of judges, that are appointed in courts, are not appointed on merit or are corrupt.
Only corrupt judges will protect interests of corrupt elite of Parliamentary system.
IF we bring Presidential System, corrupt people would not prefer to become MNAs because in P.S. MNAs will not get development funds and their job would be only Legislation.
Corrupts will instead fight for muncipal elections or district level administration.
In this way Pakistan's parliament would get people who are more likely to be competent to make legislation.
In parliamentary system, MNAs get development funds and at the same time can make legislation.
So obviously they will make laws that give them monetary benefits.
That's how corruption increases.
Presidential System is a lot better and we definitely need it.
You can not say that system does not matter.
It definitely Matters a lot!
@@Wanderer975 well said
Thank you TCM for quality content❤
biased opinion.
Presidential system is a lot better.
The most powerful and economically strong countries in the world, have Presidential System.
Why is it working there since long and why Pakistan can not have it?
USA has one of the greatest presidential system yet their states are very independent as well
So this perspective is wrong that presidential system itself takes away the freedom of provinces/states.
But all the states of the U.S. are ethnically white, I believe this makes a big difference.
bcs unlike Pakistan, it's a strong federation
@@hottiekiller9912 In Pak, Islam is supposed to be the unifying factor.
@@globalcitizen1856 but its not a strong glue when it comes to uniting five different regions with nothing but religion in common.
@@hottiekiller9912 During British times, these regions were united!
بدلنا ہے تو رِندوں سے کہو اپنا چلن بدلیں
فقط ساقی بدل جانے سے میخانہ نہ بدلے گا
کمی ہے اس میں کرداروں کی، مقصد کی، تاثّر کی
فقط سرخی بدل جانے سے افسانہ نہ بدلے گا
He says Pakistan inherited british west minister parliamentary system.thats totally wrong. Pakistan did not have parliamentary system until 1970. Jinnah is on record favoring presidential system for Pakistan. over British parliamentary system..who made this guy professor?
A graveyard that Pakistan has become, the most grieved tomb is that of the governance system. Our problem is not the form of government but is governance. Why can't we realise this fact!
Pakistan needs to develop institutions and place institutions over individuals.
Brother, System matters a lot.
For example, if you want to travel using an airplane, would you say that Airplane does not matter and only pilot matters?
Parliamentary System is a system that favours a rich elite, not larger population of Pakistan.
MNAs elect PM. If a person does not follow interests of an elite, those MNAs would oppose his Position of PM and would constantly try to overthrow him.
PM would be constantly blackmailed by his party members if he does not give them favours.
We need a Presidential system that allows the majority of people to elect our Leader directly without interference of MNAs or establishment or anyone else.
Presidential System has so many benefits. It is a lot better.
That's why powerful countries chose Presidential System and rejected Parliamentary system.
Think about it.
@@Wanderer975
Brother, you have evinced a good point here. To some extent, I even agree with you.
But, the thing is that to bridge the gap between the people and the higher echelons of state administration, we need to have a strong local body government. It will not only enhance the representation of common people but will also ameliorate our governance system.
Meanwhile, as far as other presidential systems of the world are concerned, they are mature. They have strived for a long time such as the US presidential system and French presidential system.
I will reiterate my point that what good is a presidential system if we have moribund governance in our country? All we need are major reforms in our system of governance, law, and execution.
this channel is doing great. more power to you
You should add the content of video in writing in description box or allow CC (subtitles) on your videos
We don’t care about Presidential or Parliamentary form, it’s all about good governance. Not everything in US or other countries is great. Once one leaves Pakistan, one realises that Pakistan has a great potential and a lot to offer. Kuch loha kharab, kuch lohar. Global forces doesn’t want us to grow and become stronger and we are also no sincere as well.
A great man, who is speaking truth, worth salute.
There is critical twist in the narration of the difference between Presidential and Parliamentary system explained by Tahir. The crux of the matter is the governance in parliamentary democracy weakens institutions whereas in Presidential form the institutions are strengthened.
There is no need to have a Chief Minister in or Prime Minister in the house when President is functional enough to take decisions. With NSC instituted in the country, I'm hopeful this new form of Government will be reinstated with major reforms in the previous charter.
Such a good detailed video on parliamentry and presidential system
Respected Team
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Please Share unbiased material + never influenced from military and other political parties 🥳.
TCM doing great job.
Tahir Malik Sb is a great intellectual and is one of my favorite teachers and in fact i once told him that the current plight of Muslims is caused by abandoning the political aspects of Islam. Here we're debating the pros and cons of Presidential/parliamentery democracy but Allah commands Aelaye Kalimatullah. How can you impose Adam Smith, Machiavelli and JJ Rousseau's ideas upon the Muslim masses more than 80% of whom advocates for Sharia in the country (As per the pew survey). This country will never get on the track unless what the people seeks become the ruling system. When Russians sought communism and implemented it, they achieved great successes. When the westerners adopted what they believed in as the ruling system, they made unprecedented advancements. The Muslim Ummah believes in Islam and so it can achieve the glory through implementation of Sharia. Not to forget that it's the command of Allah whether success comes with it or not.
also a patwaari
loving your videos. really informative
I am so much glad to see our sir at such.level.
Tahir Malik sir... My teacher ♥ ♥
Well thought arguments by Tahir sb.
Very well explained
Informative
Wonderful analysis by professor tahir malik shb
Sir Tahir mentor always! ❤️
informative discussion brother
Sir Tahir malik was my supervisor for my thesis last year in NUML University. Thankyou sir . 🙏🌺
Mere do supervisor thy NUML
Hae missing NUML
Mr. Tahir Malik belongs to a family of intellectuals. he himself is highly qualified professor and a true democrat
also a patwari
Good initiative 👏
I respect my whole country
Whether they are Military 🪖 or Civilian or Political Parties.
Two twins were born in 1971 after partition of united Pakistan. Original Pakistan becomes Bangladesh and West Pakistan becomes Pakistan. Both countries were founded on right-wing Islamic ideology. But,
1. Bangladesh becomes a successful democracy and Pak becomes pretty much an Islamic dictatorship.
2. Bangladesh has a respectable image as a developing nation. Pakistan is known for nothing but terrorism.
3. Bangladesh is rated highly on every measure as compared to Afghanistan or Pakistan.
How did this happen? Why don't Pakistanis do comparative studies with Bangladesh and do some TV shows? As an Indian I would like to see such studies. Same with Pakistan's brothers Iran & Afghanistan. Afghanistan & Pak have the exact same culture. But don't see any TV shows about Afghanistan affairs.
This RUclips channel is really underated
First presidential system needed for pakistan
2 make new provinces according to population and ethnicityies and abolish these cm post implement direct governorships
3- A strong local govt municipal govt with district financial award and a cess in sales tax and income tax which will transfer to every district municipal govt
Where do you get the background music from?
very nice analysis
Bring a system which can throw Mna and mpas in the bin. Atm only electables can win elections
3:05
We need presidential system in Pakistan.
7:32 aap aaj bhi Gilgit baltistan Balochistan chalay jain apki development 0 hai sir g
The Upper System is fine. Parliamentary System is much better than Presidential System as there is no clash between Executive and Legislative Branch, which exists in Presidential System. Moreover, the Executive Branch i.e. Federal Cabinet remains under check -n-balance by the Parliament. Presidential System makes the Executive Branch, to some extent, unquestionable.
Pakistan needs to evolve its Lower System, Not the Upper One. Pakistan needs to become either a Unitary State or a Confederation. This middle thing 'Federation' is damaging the country. Either give significant power to provinces or make the provincial govts. powerless and divide power among Center and Tehsil Govts.
Bro, it was Army that tried many times to bring local government system in Pakistan. After millitary rule ended, local government system became disfunctional again.
Why?
Because MNAs get development funds along legislative powers and they are not ok with funds being diverted to lower level with local government system.
They want to keep that money with themselves and use it also for personal benefits.
That's why they make laws to make local government system dysfunctional.
This is happening for a long time.
In Parliamentary system, PM is forced to choose people within a small group of people belonging to his party.
If his party members get annoyed, they start blackmailing him for not giving them ministries.
How can a PM work for the nation, if he is under constant fear of being blackmailed or ousted from government??
He would waste all his time & energies on saving his seat, rather than working for the nation.
What if there are no competent people in party for some ministries?
Can an incompetent team run a country?
This is happening with PTI.
In presidential system, there are also checks & balances.
Legislative bodies can make laws to restrict Presidential powers & can question him according to laws in the constitution.
Impeachment is also there.
Moreover President is questionable & responsible to the people of the country.
If he does anything against wishes of people, he can be impeached & would not be elected again.
Presidential system is better than parliamentary system.
Parliamentary system is still working in those countries where people are highly educated and stands up for their rights and against corruption.
It can not work in Pakistan.
Majority of population is illiterate in Pakistan. MNAs use vote for personal interests & would not let a honest PM make reforms that limits their influence or monetary benefits.
MNAs also do not want to be held accountable.
This is a vicious circle we are caught in.
Presidential system would allow us (majority population) to elect a honest leader.
He would have freedom to choose any competent person all over Pakistan for the right job in any ministry.
He would create a local government system that works for lower levels of society.
If we keep parliamentary system, MNAs would continue to be elected by illiterate people.
MNAs are usually illiterate & incompetent people who use money & influence to get elected using huge money for public campaign.
Once they get elected, they use development funds to compensate their own electoral expenses.
If we don't get honest & competent MNAs, how will Pakistan progress??
We are already behind rest of the world, can we afford to continue like this?
We would be left too far from rest of the world
No development, no business, no employment, no basic requirements.... no prosperous thinking...
میں آپ کے تجزیہ سے متفق نہیں ہوں!
سسٹم یقینی طور پر بہت اہمیت رکھتا ہے۔
پاکستان کو صدارتی نظام کی ضرورت ہے۔
ہم نے 19 سال تک پارلیمانی نظام استعمال کیا (جیسا کہ آپ نے کہا) تو بتائیے کیا پاکستان نے ترقی کی یا تنزلی کا شکار ہوا؟
پارلیمانی نظام میں جتنی بھی حکومتیں آئی، سب ملک کو تنزلی کی طرف لے کر گئے۔
کرپٹ اشرافیہ نے آئین میں اتنی زیادہ ترامیم کی ہیں تاکہ اسے اشرافیہ کی ضروریات کے مطابق ڈھالا جا سکے، نہ کہ پاکستان کی عوام کے مفاد
کے مطابق۔
ایم این اے کا کام صرف قانون سازی کا ہونا چاہیے۔
لیکن پارلیمانی نظام میں ایم این اے کو ترقیاتی فنڈز بھی ملتے ہیں اور یہ قانون سازی بھی کرتے ہیں جس کا ان کے مالیاتی فوائد سے گہرا تعلق ہوتا ہے۔
طاقتور اشرافیہ کے احتساب سے بچانے کے لیے طویل مدت میں بدعنوان ججوں کو عدلیہ میں غلط طریقے سے لگوایا جاتا ہے۔
جو بھی تھوڑی سی ترقی ہوتی ہے وہ صرف ان علاقوں میں ہوتی ہے جہاں حکمران دوبارہ الیکشن کے لیے ووٹ حاصل کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔
احتساب اور قانون کی حکمرانی کو نظرانداز کرنے میں ایم این اے کی مدد کے لیے پولیس کا نظام تباہ کر دیا گیا ہے۔
پارلیمنٹ کرپٹ اشرافیہ کا اجتماع بن چکی ہے۔ عوام کے مفادات کی حفاظت کے لیے اب یہ قابل احترام ادارا نہیں رہی۔
اگر کوئی ایماندار شخص وزیر اعظم کے طور پر منتخب ہو بھی جائے تو اسے اپوزیشن اور اس کی اپنی پارٹی کے ارکان کی طرف سے مسلسل بلیک میلنگ کا سامنا کرنا پڑتا ہے تاکہ وہ اسے نوازیں یا اشرافیہ کے مفادات کے لیے کام کریں۔
اگر وہ اشرافیہ کے مطالبات کو نہیں مانتا، تو اسے حکومت کے ممکنہ خاتمے کا خطرہ ہمیشہ رہتا ہے۔
پاکستانی عوام کے مفادات کو ایک طرف دھکیل دیا جاتا ہے اور ترجیحات بھی نہیں رکھا جاتا۔
ہمارے ہاں کبھی جمہوری صدارتی نظام نہیں تھا۔
ماضی میں ہمارے پاس مارشل لاء انتظامیہ تھی جو فوجی طاقت کے ساتھ آتی تھی، جمہوری طریقے سے نہیں۔
جنرل ایوب مارشل لاء کے ذریعے آئے اور 80,000 لوگوں کے بنیادی ڈیموکریٹس کے ایک محدود الیکٹورل کالج کے ذریعے خود کو منتخب کیا۔
بڑی آبادی کو صدر منتخب کرنے کی اجازت نہیں تھی۔
اسی لیے فاطمہ جناح بھی محدود الیکٹورل کالج کی وجہ سے ہار گئیں۔
ضیاء الحق اور مشرف بھی بغاوت کے ساتھ آئے اور طاقت سے اپنی حکومت مسلط کی۔
اس سے کوئی فرق نہیں پڑتا کہ انہوں نے ریفرنڈم کروایا یا نہیں۔ ہم سب جانتے ہیں کہ پاکستان میں ووٹنگ کیسے کام کرتی ہے۔
اگر لوگ ان کے خلاف ووٹ دیتے تب بھی وہ نہ جاتے کیونکہ ان کے پاس فوجی دستے کی کمان تھی۔
پاکستانی عوام نے کبھی براہ راست صدر منتخب نہیں کیا۔
صدارتی نظام پاکستان کے لیے بہتر ہے۔
پارلیمانی نظام امیر اشرافیہ کا نظام ہے۔ پاکستان کے عوام کے مفادات کا تحفظ کرنے میں ناکام رہا ہے۔
اس نظام کو چلائے رکھنے کی بات ایک احمقانہ بےوقوفی کے سوا کچھ نہیں۔
presidential system is way better, its not even up to debate
Pakistan need to become an one party state like China and it should adopt China's economic policies!
Jinnah rejected your foolish idea in 1947. Now shutup!
Yeah that is why there are millions of people begging on the streets!!!
Pakistanis are humiliated, hated and looked down upon
People are suffering because of poverty, corruption, and injustice
It is all because Jinnah rejected my "foolish idea"
Reform judiciary with strict punishment for corruption of its upholders
we have seen 2 systems, but those are not Parliamentry and PResidential... we ahave seen Parliamentry and Dictatorship.. we havent actually seen a Civilian PResidential system..
Actually neither parliamentary nor presidential will work in Pakistan because majority of people are munifiq and specially all the top thugs of the country are politician, why even we need so many elected MNA and MPA, in the parliament there should be only 10 to 12 chairs, sitting should be Asif Ali Bhutto and family, Nawaz Sharief family, maulana family and 3,4 other part chief, whatever they agree upon their slaves agree with that, everything has failed and will fail in future. Just government should keep begging from international donors.
provinces are not accountable and local high courts protect them...JSQM still exists and is being aided by local governments. ..PTM came up in last few years.. BNP is strong..so in essence 18th amendment has failed to provide the required change..
Parliamentary system can only function in a society which respects each others opinion. Our society is homogenous and each has his own agenda. Direct election of president in our country will provide more cohesion to our country
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I am ending watching this video the moment the he refers to martial law times as an example of presential system! The truth Pakistan has never had an elected President like Turkey where people directly elect their president
Flawed analysis. No institution be supreme whether parliament or executive or judiciary. Divide power equally and be each a check on one another. So everybody can check each other.
In Pakistan Parliamentary system is not suitable there is nothing wrong in the form of government rather people who are ruling under this violating to their advantage.
Every electable acts like a king and sold under a price then these electable choose their prime minister and PM in the whole tenure gets black mail.
It is very much difficult to form one government which as power to deliver mostly government are formed under collation this creates further opportunities for weak form of government.
In Pakistan whenever a comparison is done they always do it with dictatorship which is a wrong comparison.
Wo tu sb thk h lkn economic ki baat e nhi hui, yh tu btao k agr palimentry system itna e acha h tu phr inflation, unemployment high dollar rates q hn aaj.?
WE NEEED A CALIPHATE. IF U WANT TO MODERNIZE It. aap bol kuch aur lein
we need to select one caliph and then he selects people as wazir or sultans of each area.
presidential is the same as this .!
one person runs the entire country and others who won by votes.
but forget that.
4:54 Pakistan ki adliya pehlay apni job puri karain system of governance ko baad me discuss karain
Kindly correct yourself Karachi aur Sindh Alag Nahen hain...
Karachi Sindh ka Hissa hai to Karachi aur Sindh ko seperately mention karna band karen...
Yeh Taaaasub na phelaen
They are separate. InshaAllah Karachi will be separated from the Sindh Mafia. InshaAllah. We are working on it.
Karachi is separate broo change your mindset
Karachi Tere Baap Ka Nahi Ha Karachi Is Sindh, Sindh is Karachi...Lanat Ho Auske Nasal Pe Jo Alag Alag Name Le Raha Ha
@@drkanbhookhanmari941 karachi alag hai aur alag sooba IA banega
@@drkanbhookhanmari941 karachi ke saath jo ppp ne kara hain wo ziyadti se kam nahi hain, karachi alag nahi houn magr aisa ek shehr hain jiske pas koi autonomy nahi hain.
Parliamentary system is the worst form of government
Hame presidential system nahi balke khilafat chahiya
@Ray Magrey ye kis na kaha ap ko mare bhai osmaniyo na bhi tho khilafat kaiyam ki thi unho na tho nahin kaha ka khilafat sirf iman mahdi ka dor main kaiyam ho gi
@Ray Magrey chalo shukar hain ap ko ye toh pata hain hum apne mulk main khilafat kaiyam kar ka iman mahdi ke liya Rasta asan kare ga
Jamhooriyat woh Nizam hai k jis mein afrrad ko gina jata hai, tola nahi jata.
Sultani e Jamhoor ka idea to already suggested hai... awaam kisi ko Sultan manay to phir hi baat hai.
Ye sahb ye btana bhool ge ke Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia ul Haq aur Musharaf ka presidential system asal me Marshal law tha unka taluq ksi political party se nhi tha,,, Pakistan ki bqa sirf political presidential system me hy
Biased opinion
More sensible analysis than the screaming vloggers.
need martiala better these system
PROFESSOR NUT CASE
Jb tk army ni caheay ge is mulk ka nizam theak nahi ho skta. Right?
ہاں بدقسمتی یہ ہے کہ حکومت میں وزراء کی لسٹ بھی کہیں اور سے آتی ہے جن کو دو چار ممبر ادھر ادھر کرنے یا وزیر محترم کا وزیراعظم سے اختلاف کوئی مشکل بھی نہیں ہوتا ہے
This man is misleading.. .consitiution is not an end word.. state comes above constitution
mere saath chalo please around 20 log. i.A. lets get tickets election k liye. aur kam se kam yeh jo baaaarbaaaar arajhay hain inka time bus khatam ab.
You're just spouting nonsense. This current system is bullsh**.
System isn't .
But the people running the system the , are sons of bitch
Why we are following western system not prophet muhammad (saw)system 😐 pakistan is muslim country or chiristan (allah ki lannat ho sirf naam ki muslim qoum pr)
Ap Saudi a Arab chaly Hain plsss
I respect everyone who were involved in this Seriously the best piece that i ve ever seen on RUclips 💌 Hate off to well all 💟 love your videos ❤
you should start watching some serious content on YT. there are many educational topics available
@@syedwaqasahmed1603 Its a fake account lol
A true change will only come when we educate a whole new generation regarding rule of law, ethics and moral values, a whole cultural shift is needed in every aspect of life