Beginners Guide to the different camps within Russian figure skating
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2021
- These are the different figure skating camps in Russia we all need to know to keep up with drama. The transfer window is officially open and if 2020 is any indicator there will be many transfers to come. As always, don’t take anything too seriously and enjoy!
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So I was in the middle of editing this video when the Kostornaia transfer rumours started coming out. I comment about it at the end of the video which was a spontaneous add on. From what I understand it is confirmed that her and eteri have talked but the official decision is unknown. It is all in tutberidze’s hands if she will be able to return. The transfer games have officially begun!
Hi I have a question. Why is Anna going to worlds? She is my favorite skater but I can’t exactly wrap my head around this. Is it because she won the Russian Nationals? Also I am on my dads account so my icon looks different.
@@zhuangjin1076 yup that is exactly why. The person that wins nationals is assured a spot to worlds
@@paolala yay I am so happy for her! She is my favorite skater of all time!
@@zhuangjin1076 mine too ❤
I wish people would at least write people's names with 1st Capital letters. You may not like Eteri Tutberidze, but show common decency and change "eteri" and "tutberidze".
Plushenko's village reminds me of the Victors' Village in The Hunger Games lol.
😂😂😂
One note - it was always like this. It's just that there was no Internet around. But there were massive scandals before - like Yagudin vs Plushenko with Yagudin changing the coach, with coaches changing the country etc. It was highlighted in the press and on TV. +another fun fact. Skaters from Mishin are called the Petersburgh's mafia sometimes XD There is some strange scoring under the question that's why.
So Russia FS has always been this drama? 😲😲
Yagudin was always my favorite. I thought he was the better skater.
Elizaveta Tutkamysheva is by no means a recent success. She is a 2015 World Champion, 2014 GPF champion and 2015 European champion. She has won several other medals, but 2014-2015 was her season.
i agree. I just meant recent as within Mishin's career because it spans like 50 years hahah
@@paolala I think is funny, figure skating is happening so fast now that 5 years ago is already a long time ago
Yeah, she actually was 1 step away from making it to Sochi
Yesterday showed she has potential left
Keeping up with ✨RUSFED✨
I wasn't really into the Ladies category, not because I don't think they are amazing, but there is so much happening all the time and it's difficult to follow up with the heaps of new skaters every season, while men's has been more "predictable" (but in no way boring!), so it's easier to keep up. But thanks to the pandemic and the very informative videos on this channel I've been able to focus on the beautiful train wreck that is the russian ladie's category and now I LIVE for this drama 🍿
watch pairs! i only just got into it this season but it's so underappreciated and the top pairs tend to stick around for a long time unlike the ladies
@@user-gg9uu9kx9w it's funny because I got into figure skating because of ice dance, Tessa and Scott more precisely, but I've never payed much attention to pairs and I really can't tell why I'm sleeping on this category, lmao. I'll definitely try to catch up until worlds.
As much as I love Team Mishin, but in that picture at 3:30 he looks like the godfather and you can't convince me otherwise. What a powerful picture. Love the energy.
Mikhail kolyada is so gorgeous 😂😭😭😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️
for some reason YT deleted this comment and i feel like the world needs to see it; Amy Yan commented: "So there is the hot sergei, the nice sergei, and the CSKA sergei LOL"
Sergei Dudakov is actually a really nice guy! (Well he was when i worked with him). Really great sense of humour. He just looks so serious at competitions lol. He got along great with my (now) hubby too, and called him his brother because they both have red hair 😂.
@@lindatannock I heard he was is one of the nicest in all of figure skating.
@@lindatannock when did u work with him? 20 years ago?
Wow ! Never realised how competitive it was behind the scenes, no wonder Russian skating is so successful
It's very funny to me how they are discussing if Alyona can go back, while they didn't even give her her documents back in the first place. So *technically* she could''ve literally just walk in and act as if her transfer to Plushenko didn't happene xd
Looking at all the tik tok videos, Aliona literally acts like that🤣🤣🤣
And the honorable mention goes to... Maxim Tran'kov, who has just started his training career, and could prove to be a dark horse, especially with Morozov/Tarasova under his wing...
6:32 your comment about doubting whether being taught by your parent is a good idea: sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. A couple examples I know where parent coaching has been successful/semi successful: Yuma Kagiyama of Japan is taught by his father. He has shown some stellar domestic and international results so far. And then there is Maxim Naumov of the US, who is taught by both of his parents (father teaches technical skills and mother choreographs, I think?) and he has performed and placed well on some occasions both domestically and internationally as well during his junior career. There are probably other examples I don't know of off the top of my head. But like you said, we'll just have to wait and see whether the Zhilinas will improve under their mother's coaching or not.
0:29 Mikhail's intense face gives me life haHA XD
Kamila valieva drama this year and the drama with coach eteri SHOVING TRUSOVA in the van at the arena cause she didn’t wanna leave with them 😩 my heart aches for Anna sitting ALONE with NOBODY to hug or congratulate her after she won gold - would LOVE TO KNOW UR OPINION ON IT ALL - LOVE LOVE LOVEEEEEEE your Chanel - definitely subbed ❤️
It's a good idea to organize the information in your videos. never seen anything like this, great job 👍
Please keep me posted I don’t know where else to keep up with this Russian figure skating. I’m so intrigued
You can follow the Fan Accounts on instagram
The best inst account to follow is yuzuuze. It has all updates
😂 seriously? It’s all over RUclips!
Love the commentary. She has trouble pronouncing "Petersburg" but the Russian names just roll off her tongue so fluently. I enjoy your analysis btw. Thank you.
The Zhilina sisters being coached by their mother is a huge mistake :' with Alena gone I hope Rozanov takes them on again. Please!
Another great video!! Love the inclusion of all of the different Sergeis lmao
I enjoy your videos so much, it's scaring me 😂
Never stop :)
Your Russian is so good! I'm Russian and I appreciate the work u do. Everything in the video is so accurate, explanation is so freaking full and complex wow. Not many Russian fans know the drama like you do, that's it. Keep going, the content you do is mind-blowing
A little thing to note: Maiia Khromykh (pronunciation is like Hromyh, where H letter sounds like in hello, heavy, high etc.)
And there are very few little mistakes, but who actually cares😅
Wow, what a soap opera! Thanks for the inside lowdown/dope. The way you can roll off those Russian names! It would be great if Greece had skaters too. ;).
The only person who can prove that being coached by a parent is a good idea is Yuma Kagiyama😊 Poor Veronika, she is now under way too much pressure😢
She was coached by Brian orser not her mother. Soon as he got successful she dumped him
Amazing thank you for these videos I love figures skating and your videos are gold!
I almost left a comment on one of your videos yesterday requesting a video like this one 😅 Thanks !
Thanks ,very informative for me .
Tus vídeos son geniales!!! 💖💖💖 Deberían tener subtítulos en español. Hay un grandísimo público de habla hispana cautivo y ansioso de contenido (en español) de calidad sobre patinaje artístico.
El video del Team Tutberidze lo disfruté tanto porque lo pude ver con subs en español! Me pude concentrar en digerir toda la información 😄
im obsessed w these videos omg
Note Sambo doesn't mean wrestling in Russian. Wrestling is "Bor'ba". Sambo is a type of a martial art developed in the USSR that includes elements of wrestling (and judo and striking). For example Khabib Nurmagomedov and Islam Makhachev are sambo masters.
Your videos are AWESOME!!! I’m so glad that I found your channel and subscribed. It is obvious that you put so much time and effort into each one. It is greatly appreciated. Thank you! Your knowledge of the Russian skating World is amazing. Keep up the great work!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I can see why Liza B moved to Team Tutberidze. She was working on quads and she's probably hoping that they can help her get them more consistent. I hope the move will be rewarding!
New FS fan here. This is quite helpful for sorting out all the Russian drama.
Kind of curious why the institutions have greater success in producing top girl's skaters (can't refer them as ladies) than men's?
Me, going to sleep because is 22:46 p.m. in brazil:
Paola Castillo: Wanna hear some FS drama?
Me: you know.. Who needs sleep?
Hahahahaha eu!!
Hahahahah simmm
HSUAHSUAS SIM
Opa 🙋🏽♀️
Brasileiras vivendo pelo drama no mundinho figure skating russo, amo.
More thank you for the Russian subtitles. From Kazakhstan. Love you.
there's russian subtitles? i didn't do those lol. so thank you to whoever did and hopefully they are correct
What great timing for the recent news hahahahahaha! Great vid
Great job👏👏👏
so would someone only leave eteri tutberidze because she cannot handle how demanding she is?
also, since her camp is state sponsored, does she get tons more resources than the other camps?
woow good material. thanks !!!! :D
Lol at your remark regarding Russian coaches and their aversion to mask. I was also wondering why for the love of God they like to not wear mask. Even Lambiel wore mask in JapanNats, but eh that's JP lol.
Have you ever considered doing a guide to Team Cricket? It feels like you have such good knowledge on every single skater that is active right know!
Uggh I don't like the focus on coaches and schools. I've never seen in other sports where the coaches and schools of where the athletes trained are more famous than the athletes themselves. This is not healthy because 1) the silly competition between schools and bashing when 1 athlete leaves 1 school to other and 2) it shows that the athlete itself is less important than the school. This also drives the image of "factory model" where when 1 athlete expire and no longer competitive, there will be the next one to take the place. It's so uncomfortable to see this "model" happening in figure skating in Russia. If this continues, you won't have a Yuna, a Mao, or a Kostner because no athletes can make their name due to how short their career while the schools continue to take the glory of winning medals from their disposable athletes.
I literally couldn't agree more! The skaters are treated like a commodity.
The focus should be on the skaters, not the coach. Respect is earned, not demanded.
I respect Mishin as a coach so much. His reputation goes before him. He quietly works away in the background, producing champion upon champion, and he's not interested in being in the limelight (in my opinion).
All this in-fighting is ridiculous, and it takes away from the skaters achievements. They need to just grow up and do their jobs, instead of behaving like 10 year olds! 🙄🤦🏼♀️
I just don't like the drama and the treatment that the athletes get. Athletes leave coaches all the time due to incompatibility, training environment changes, logistic issues, etc. No need to call it as betrayal, ungrateful, etc. and many fans start to do this as well, seeing the school as something they need to support blindly. Being a coach in my opinion is to be proud of the achievements of your pupils and as you said let the athletes in the limelight (I love Mishin too!). If they leave you due to some reasons then say good bye and good luck (I'm becoming too specific here but whatever lol)
I couldn't have said it better. It's crazy how people mention the schools more (especially on social media) than the skaters. And the drama it all creates
Agree 100%
sorry, I understand your feelings, but for the Russian audience - exactly the opposite - it's nice to know that our team has a "margin of safety":
firstly, if one athlete has problems, there will always be a replacement for him, and we will have someone to rely on at international tournaments.
secondly, domestic Russian competitions may be more interesting than international ones, for example, the recent Channel One Cup,
if suddenly someone did not look, I recommend the full version with an English-language comment:
SP: ruclips.net/video/dqepT8ig1Wo/видео.html
FS: ruclips.net/video/zEs6xBKsrXs/видео.html
Begining (only in russian): ruclips.net/video/JV_qDK33CUU/видео.html
I have not seen such emotions and have not experienced myself at any other tournament.
as somebody wrote in our social networks, "while the whole World is in quarantine, Russia entertains itself, and this turns out to be more exciting than World championships" :-)
by the way, the peculiarity of the Russian mentality is collectivism, so the guys and girls gave their all for the team more than 100%, and the teams supported their partners regardless of who was which coaching camp from.
so no need to exaggerate the "drama" in Russian figure skating, and the "enmity" between the "camps" ;-)
Team Panova are the Snow Leopards because that's the name of their rink.
OMG Paola, I love your channel and the way you explain things! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
This was great.
I wish someone to make documentary film about russian skating camps. And by someone I mean Polish director Marta Prus who made an amazing documentary "Over the Limit" about gymnast Margerita Mamun.
Thanks for mentioning this! I'll try to find it because I would like to watch. Are there english subtitles?
@@skateata1 as the film was shown in multiple times at movie festivals around the world, there probably are english subtitles. I would check streaming services.
9:47 WHY WAS- MOSKIVNA DOING THAT??? KRISTI YAMAGUCHI IN THE BACKGROUND OH LAWD
Thank you 😊
I believe Eteri is still the best, we can hate her but her impact is just wow
The number of injuries in her camp are suspect.
@@krisfujimoto72 Agreed!
How can Eteri be the best when the technique is questioned and her skaters are getting bad injuries and have no longevity!
She did make great figure skaters, but at what cost? They only last for one cycle (4 years).
You forgot about Evgeni Semenko from Mishin too! They are my fave team also
Semenenko
I’m lowkey excited that all the old team tuberitze skaters are coming back just for the drama tho
Can you do an updated version of this in the future?
Wow, great job! İ'm Russian, İ love figure skating, but İ don't watch Russian youtube channels (most of them are way tooooooooooooo toxic). Yours is the only one İ watch. Btw, sometimes you say you have difficulties with Russian pronunciation. If you are interested, I can leave my email address and the next time you struggle just write to me and I'll send you a recording with the right pronunciation.
With Russia from love💖💖💖
Well Anna Sherbekova did just (half an hour ago) WIN the Olympic gold medal 🥇 So go ANNA and team Plushenko👐
Team Buyanova and Team Snow Leopards are actually two different camps
Thank you sm for this video, Paola! About Aliona's transfer: I worry about her, bc if she was not doing that great with Plushenko, i dont even want to imagine what will happen to her, if she goes back to Team Tut, since she's almost reaching the "Eteri expiration date"... i just worry about her health, due to Eteri's methods....
watching this after trusova left plushenko.. this is so embarrassing for him lmao 5:09
I think Eteri love Yuzuru’s skating and she wore the necklace
You are correct that CSKA (soviet army skating camp) was started in the Soviet times.
Good job Paola!
Paola: let's get them out of the way
me: YES SOMEONE DO IT PLEASE
Quick question for clarification-I was under the impression that the Snow Leopards was the name of Svetlana Panova's group, and not the CSKA one? I could be mixing things up here though. 😂
Давыдов, Дудаков, Тутберидзе, Москвина, Кравцова, Мишин, Глейхенгауз, Железняков - вы лучшие! Восхищаюсь и преклоняюсь! Как это здорово, что у нас в России целая плеяда высококлассных мастеров ФК.
Ну вот Железняков здесь очень зря
@@user-cz3rz7jo6h ,это лишь Ваше субъективное мнение, которое не помешает мне восхищаться каждым из перечисленных мастеров.
Eteri team is so badass
uuh being first😅
there is always someone that is here before i pin my comment. and i respect that
Hear that pop?
That's sound of this channel having a collective aneurysm when they heard about Kostornaia going back to -the best coach in the world- Eteri
Lol true. these guys and this commentator are friggin nutjobs
She IS a best coatch in the world. Thus is exactly a reason to exist for do many haters as you. Eteri has orooved zhat not only a talant natters. With right system almost any can come to the championship. And Aljona and Sasha, and Yulija as well gas proived it - change if coach brings them nothing. The specual system of Eteri is wgat was supporting their talant.
@@samaraknappi1154 Totally agree, she is absolutely the best coach in the world
The strikeout was a sarcastic dig at this Russohobic Eteri-hating channel
I still wonder what happened to Sotnikova? Did she retire after 2014 Olympics? I think she had a lot of energy in her skating and such a positive energy. (Not commenting on the gold controversy!!! Please no death threats!)
Lmaoo 🤣.
She pretty much dropped off the face of the earth. Competed a handful of times but never had any follow up success. Dropped completely out of competition in 2014/15 season and 2016 onward. Officially retired in 2020. I don't think she even got any of the big sponsorships or anything like Alina did. One hit wonder basically....
@@elye0987 most if these girls are one hit wonders to be honest. Tjey cant handle it physically and mentally
Etteri - There is Nothing is impossible for her,
complete change of the perception of modern figure skating, she and her team can create unique lead programs in any level.
Her students has the brightest victories and the world records. both the " first woman to jump ..." and the " most scoring"..
All this achievement is from Etteri Tutberidze Russia Honored Trainer. her and the team of coaches.
She has real talent, unlimited patience, titanic work invested in her students from very early age, incredible strength and unrivaled mastery. All of these bring the most unforgettable skating programs that were ever seen.
Plushenko has the money to buy people from his wife.
Does anyone know what's going on for the Russian male figure skaters? They are not in top 5 anymore in World and Olympian championships, like they used to be. Are there different training methods for the male skaters then there used to be? Or is figure skating not so popular anymore among Russian boys while it is still popular among girls?
Anyone wanna talk about how Eteri looks like Mother Gothel? (I know eteri is bad but dang she's fine)
With what happened to Sasha at Beijing, I wonder if she’ll go back to Plushenko or completely switch it up with a new coach
The hot Sergei lol!!!!
At this point International Female Figure Skating is a competition amongst the camp instead of thew world.😂 I would've love it if someone from another country beat a Russian skater.
Hot Sergei has sufficiently went colder.
off topic, but who would u choose: alina or evgenia ?
this question always feel like a trap... my fave programs of theirs are alina's Me Voy and zhenya's libertango. But if i could spend a day with one of them like zhenya. but that is just my opinion like they are both amazing athletes
Zhenya she’s the one who got me the figure skating
Zhenya... but I also love alina
Zhenya because her skating made me a fan🥰
Zhenya but absolutely no hate towards alina
I hope I’m wrong because I don’t know where else she’d go right now, but I just have a funny feeling Kostornaia will not be taken back in by Tutberidze. Again, I could be very wrong bc I know Aliona’s uncle is the President of the Sambo-70, but it would just serve to create that much more drama and intrigue and cement Tutberidze’s control over the scene that much more if they do not accept her back in- I think if Aliona had her triple axel back and was on an upward trajectory that might change things, but she just has not had anything good going for her (jumps-wise) lately. And that is NOT a personal dig at Aliona- I know she’s been sick and injured but the timing is just terrible.
Omg... where did you get such rumours? )))) Aliona's uncle IS NOT the president of Sambo 70!
I had watched the video based on the rumour of Alena Kostornaia (not this video), and it seems to be true, it's just that no one has actually heard anything about Eteri Tutberidze's opinion and thought about it, but yeah after all they are just rumours. To be honest I am not to surprised, Alena (no offence) ( if it is even true) wants to move back to team Tutberidze, because she did not actually skate as well as she usually would, and she did not seem so happy about her programmes, so yes I think the rumours are true, I am just not so sure.🙂💜😉
Well I mean she had injuries (which was caused by the training method from tutberidze) and then she got COVID, so I don’t think she can blame her “not so good” performance on plushenko.
Great video! I’m still bitter about Sochi. Queen Yuna should’ve won gold.
yeah but it wasn’t sothikovas fault. She’s not the judge
Teamtutberidze was not the first one.
Team-fashion started from teammozer and pair skating.
Figure skating is not only about girls
Luv this but not prof mission that's what it sounds like lol
I LIVE 4 FS DRAMAS
Very good video Paola. If you can keep up with more rational and informative work like this, you will win me over. This is the kind of posting that adds value to the community.
Glad you have restrained the usual over the top vitriolic sniping directed at Queen Tut. This one was balanced and informative, and aligns well with my knowledge base, not that you should even care about that. Good work.
Personal observation on the soap opera drama development: headstrong skaters like Sasha and Alena can get full of themselves and set on a course of overachievement. Sasha has always tried to pack too much into her programs without balance. Alena had gotten too big for her britches demanding too much attention and special consideration at Team Tut. Everyone knows that is a no go with Eteri. Sasha left, for reasons that included Alena’s demand for attention and Anna’s deserved favorite child status (longest with the team and still the shiniest penny in the purse). When Alena didn’t get her way and followed Sasha to Plush, their conflict continued. Team Plush is a mess because Evgeni is ill equipped to deal with the squabbles he had on his hands. He was a squabbler himself for his whole competitive career, e.g. with Yagudin while they both trained under Mishin, forcing Alexei to move out for his own sanity.
And to everyone else whining about Eteri’s ‘damaging training methods.’ Get real. Her #1 priority does happen to be development of potential. That’s why the club attracts the talent that it does. Longevity is secondary, but still a factor.
It’s a high impact sport where the participants perform on rock hard ice, their center of gravity 3” above normal, with knives on their boots. It’s not a pillow fight - skaters are going to suffer micro injuries to bone and soft tissue every time they compete or train on ice. As long as it’s managed well, they get stronger and more skilled. Often damage gets detected later than would be best. It’s the nature of the sport. It’s just a dangerous one. But these kids are going to skate no matter what, risking injury in an arena or going through the ice on a lake - it’s in their blood to fly on ice. There will be injuries, no matter what.
All coaches utilize training harnesses and dry land strength and coordination training to mitigate the forces and stresses the body must absorb and deal with. The overachievers are more at risk. They happen to flock to Eteri’s camp, and have for a while. Connect the dots.
The athletes in Club Tut aren’t anorexic. That is a condition - a psychological induced metabolic disease. Victims of anorexia can’t do the things these young ladies do, so please stop playing that tune. Some adolescents just are thin. Anna, case in point, is beginning to fill out just now. Kamila is a beast, stronger than Sasha even though she is two years younger.
Let the girls skate. Stop trying to make them over into what you want for them. It’s boring and tiresome.
Enjoy their gifts.
Liza Osokina appreciation club anyone?
Being coached by your parent CAN work out as we have seen in the case of Yuma, but the Zhilinas sisters ain't it.]
When people started calling Rozanov a Hot Sergey? Loool
Dave Lease is for blame.Heh.;)
3:20 sambo doesn't mean wrestling. sambo is a martial art of its own
is Trusova still with angels of plushenko?
No, she went back to Eteri
My question to you is.....How did Eteri acquire such a power hold on the ISU or the Russian Federation? Cheating or fixing outcomes in the long run do not work; but I can see how that strategy can recruit alot of kids based on a false sense of success in the long haul.
Trusova is my favorite, so no mater who she skates for i will always like Trusova,although i also like most of these Russian skaters, most of them are very impressive.
Mishin had covid and most or all Russian athletes and coaches. So wearing a mask for Mishin doesn’t help anyone.
I like the second coach you talk about. I can't remember his name but the 1st lady seems EVIL based on your other vids and the 3rd guy and his wife are just sketchy lol.
2nd is professor Alexei Mishin, former pair skater. Skated with Tamara Moskvina, who is also a coach now, but focused on pairs. They are 68/69 European Champs and 68/69 Worlds silver medalists
3rd is Evgeni Plushenko, 05/06 Olympics Champ, 13/14 Oympics Champ (team event), 2 times Olympics silver medalist, many times Worlds Champ and medalist and so on so on. In one word a legend of men's single skating, he was like Nathan Chan or Yuzuru Hanyu of its time. He decided to become a Great Coach and began by luring Tutberidze's skaters. Also his wife is Yana Rudkovskaya, famous producer and business woman in Russia. Ppl don't like her because of useless hype she makes
What is going to happen to alionas house
He will probably get more skaters, or give it to the zhilina sisters
Team Moser .Zhulin .A.Krylova .I Zhuk ?
Hot sergei is really hot lol
No wonder Soviet Union colapsed, due to the russian drama
9:45 wtf
All Russian coaches seem to be cruel to their skaters. I feel sorry for them.
And there we have it, another skater going back to team Tutberitze, WITH AN INJURY caused by the methods of team Tutberitze :/ I hope Eteri doesn’t take her back, for her own wellbeing.
Berestovskaya? she was with cska, buddy. who are you fantasizing about??
@@vintiqestore8633 she’s talking abt kostornaia
Which injury and why was it caused by team Tutberidze?
@@elizabethfilippovich3252 she has a stress fracture, and back pain. The reason why people say it’s caused by Eteri is cause of the coaching methods Eteri uses. It’s for girls younger, with less body weight and haven’t fully hit puberty yet. When these girls start getting older the Eteri methods start to catch up with them and their body starts to basically “fail” this seems to happen to Eteri’s girls around the time they turn 17.
@@oyinolubayo7079 can you provide the source for that because I heard Medvedeva left with a broken back told by the haters but it turned iout to be another lie
Adelina didn’t keep getting hate for the judges over-scoring, she got hate for doubling down that she *deserved the gold she got and that she won because she skated better than Yuna Kim*
This is so stupid