Who agrees that this should've stayed a trilogy Edit: 1 and 2 are God tier, 3 is alright and 4 is totally a movie Also Edit:wow thanks for 400 likes I really appreciate it thank you
"The most evil thing the Chameleon does is kick someone down the stairs." BRUH Shifu literally kicks Po down the endless stairs of the Jade Palace in the first movie 💀
@@bugonboris6681 From what I've seen from the comments, her worst action on-screen was pushing someone downstairs. If that's the case, nope, not a chance.
@@ollie_raviollie In the first two acts at least. Obviously she gets up to more evil shit in the third act, but for most of the movie she just has no presence. It’s like if you didn’t have those scenes of Kai taking out the Furious Five, and he just went straight to the panda village in the third act. So dull.
I'd say the Chameleon is a Villainous Benchmark, I guess. She absolutely fails the standards to the previous three villains too much despite having no redeeming qualities. But, we'll see.
Somebody mentioned that she literally was taken down in two hits, and the only other times she has any sort of physical confrontations it's throwing people down stairs/off walls. That might've done it.
She kind of was, I mean even though she was hyped to be the strongest, she didn't even fight any of the masters fairly. She SNUCK tai lung, kai and all the others. Like it would've been really cool if she fought one of them one on one and won but no!
No Furious Five. No Shifu. No backstory for the villains. No new plot or character development. They make the movie so short because they think children will not be able to watch it? Seriously? Children managed to watch the first 3!
@@afiqkhairul1446 the film didn't have skibidi toilet, subway surfers and some random family guy clip simultaneously playing in the background so it failed miserably anyway.
Never understood that scene, i was scratching my head in confusion from beginning to end because nothing she said made sense like bro MANTIS, SNAKE AND SHIFU are martial artist and the bests and now the new fox girl wtf you mean nobody teached you because you're weak and small?! Are the writers even aware of their own characters now that they added in the SAME movie chameleon was in?!
no because tell me why they introduce an artifact at the beginning of the movie which was wielded by a master chipmunk... they literally invented a new small kung fu master for this film and then decided to be like 'nah, Chameleon couldn't learn because tiny'
Shen commits genocide in the first two minutes of the film and Chameleon doesn’t even show up until way later, and doesn’t do anything threatening until the end 😭
kai: wipes out oogway tai lung shifu all of furious 5 other then tigress master croc chicken and bear and nearly wiped out po and has a thrist of revenge of oogways changes from a military conqurer to a wise old kung fu master in kfp4 he does nothing he and shen do nothing atleast tai lung accepted that he wouldnt be dragon warrior Edit:Holy Hell My Replys Are Getting Some Attention Also Kai Is A Top 10 Dreamsworks Villian. And Btw my list is tai lung at 3 or 4 and shen is 1 Also Kung Fu Panda 4 Is Basically Toy Story 4 But Its Like 3x worse
Wrong. Metal Sonic and Zavok have boss battles, and there's also Episode Shadow (though you're right about Chaos regretfully). Kai and Shen do absolutely nothing and Tai Lung doesn't even confront Po.
@@EggFighterXB-They were severely underused and felt like an after thought, it sounds weird to say but even though they WERE used, they werent used in an interesting way that really justified bringing all of them back aside from trying to hype up a game.
Exactly. Why does po have to make new friends and adventures when we can get more in depth movie with his Freinds we already know. The Furious 5 keep a stable back on the plot of each movie while having them doing funny things.
@@TheSigmaCentral101i guess they might’ve thought that central idea was old and the 4th movie was a perfect time to add a new character. I guess it also make sense that since Po is picking a new dragon warrior, just like Oogway, he didn’t pick someone from the lineup and instead found somebody else more worthy. However, that only lines up with the plotholes of the movie like why does Po NEED to pick a new dragon warrior when he’s still so young.
But WHY does he need to stop being the dragon warrior. Hes still young. Hes actually INCREDIBLY young for a kung fu master. Shifu has mentioned throughout the movies how FAST he is learning techniques, what takes other masters DECADES to learn and master he does in a few weeks/months
Yeah fr i can't get past that part. Specially with apparently 2 more movies set to be in the series??? Why not wait until the end at the least? Or make it a fleet sort of thing? I almost thought they were gonna do something interesting when she said "that magic would take the strength of TEN dragon warriors to break!" like imagine instead of just following tradition for traditions sake, a thing these movies tend to very much go against, they make a point about like 'there's a little dragon warrior in all of us, because it's your heart that makes you powerful/special/etc"
The Co-Director of the movie, Stephanie Mastine, had some amazing ideas. She said she wanted to make the movie truer to the first 2, and Jack Black himself said she brought actual depth and heart. Po would've had a vision of Shifu being kidnapped by the Chameleon, prompting Po to go on a quest to stop her. Despite his best efforts, she would've succeeded. This would've raised the stakes, displayed the Chameleon as a real threat, and allowed Shifu to be there at the end to say goodbye to Tai Lung. Stephanie also wanted Zhen's redemption to be more fleshed out, ensured it to have both dialogue and action, and for it to actually happen onscreen, much to the chagrin of the writers who just wanted her to swoop in out of nowhere to fight the Chameleon before quickly disappearing again. Meanwhile, the director of the movie, Mike Mitchell, wanted the movie to be more laughs and joke-y. He wanted Chameleon and Zhen to have ZERO backstory whatsoever, and by the time the crew convinced him that, you know, giving the main villain a backstory is kind of important, they were too late to do anything more than add in those few lines. Many crewmembers came up with ideas for Zhen's backstory, but they were all discarded. The film was made so short because they believed children couldn't watch a longer film, and also because they'd get more money. Guess which of these two guys they decided to give full creative freedom.
Just found out about her role and really wish she had been in charge of the whole film. There was a lot about this film that could've worked and I realize that this movie had so much potential
That is really really stupid. The fact that this guy thought making a joke movie is going to be great, tells you everything you need to know. Obviously you would be very serious when making a movie for a franchise like this. Can't believe this idiot ruined the movie. Seriously this movie had so much potential. The second director here had a great idea, fans too duh! It's really sad that a trash director ruined a movie that could've been legendary
“Po’s greatest enemy” my ASS. Logically, it would be Shen since he has a major role in Po’s past. The Chameleon was half baked before she even came out of the oven
all they had to do was have a chi resistant elephant army that uses technology attack the valley of peace. furious 5 distract leader and army, Po fights the leader. elephant army came across the sea, opening up more lore for other civilizations. po picks tiger as new dragon warrior
kfp4 feels like a watered down version of kfp2: - we gotta go to juniper city vs gongmen city - similar chase sequence escaping the villain’s henchmen - villain is a traditionally weaker animal whose power arises from a replacement for kung fu (chameleon = sorcery, shen = technology)
Jack Black singing "Baby One More Time" at the end credits was undoubtedly the best part of this movie. It was the only moment that brought a smile to my face.
Personally, I didn't like it. It's not because of Jack Black, it's just the choice of the song. A Britney Spears' cover? Really? Just because it has the word "hit" in it doesn't mean it makes sense for Kung Fu Panda.
Maybe it's a regional thing. The Dragon Warrior isn't well known in the city, so the Furious Five might not be either. Those kung fu schools would likely have a different attitude toward small students if they knew more about Viper and Mantis.
It *could* make sense if it was already established in a previous movie about the struggles that they and shifu went through to learn kung fu, but this was just so out of left field it made 0 sense 😂
Lord Shen being right there, not even animated properly, and not saying a single word was probably the most disappointed I've ever been watching a movie.
Apparently, he, Kai, and even the Furious Five were very last minutes to the film that the animators barely had time to animate them correctly. Also might explain why none of them spoke.
@@maxpowers6738 Dreamsworks probably realized that they had to put more work into the movie after Puss in Boots was a huge success, because they didn't expect their movies to succeed that much. A good change of hearts but it didn't work out for them unfortunately and they probably prioritize the Shrek saga and other movies more than Kung Fu Panda which is literally my most favorite with Shrek and how to tame your drago(Megamind also as stabdalone().
@@maxpowers6738 At that point, I would have preferred the filmmakers just left all those characters out. They didn't show any of them in the trailers, so they technically could get away with it.
@maxpowers6738 they could have saved time tho by not even animating Kai tho... since you know... his soul gets fucking obliterated at the end of the 3rd movie. Like not even just a physical death like Lord Shen but like his spirit gets overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the Dragon Warrior chi to the point where his soul explodes into spiritual fucking oblivion
@@maxpowers6738This, but the budget was intentionally much lower in comparison to the other KP films, likely owing to [one of] the reasons the budget was lower by such a margin.
Tai Lung: ravages a town in pursuit of a sense of purpose. Lord Shen: Commits genocide in pursuit of power. Kai: attempts to become a god because of revenge. Chameleon: pushes a guy down the stairs because reasons.
You have to love how she doesn’t even have an actually unique name like the first three. Imagine if Shen was just Albino Peacock, and that was what everyone called the genocidal maniac that served as the main villain for 2.
Dreamworks is the most unpredictable company out there. Like you know what Disney or Illumination movies are gonna be like but Dreamworks on Monday will make Puss and Boots The last Wish and on Tuesday they make Megamind and the doom syndicate.
I don’t think Dreamworks the studio was involved in the creation of the Doom syndicate other than the dealing with IP kind of stuff and all. Granted, I’ve not yet looked into it, but I’m pretty damn sure the movie division would have no part in creation of a tie in film for a Peacock animated series. I can’t find myself getting annoyed at the existence of the “film” because of this (keep in mind, I haven’t seen it) as the only thing I can reasonably hate it for is having the capacity to diminish the quality of the IP and souring an otherwise brilliant film. Actually, scratch that, the real thing I can find myself getting angry at is how they sHOULD HAVE MADE A REAL SEQUEL and actually cater to the audience that loves Megamind already! Well, so long as they invested in talented artists. I’m sure they would have gotten a pretty good return if they actually remembered what marketing is.
Chameleon felt very villain-of-the-week, and Po kept calling it out too! Predicted Chameleon was in the doom fortress overlooking the city, recited Chameleon's plan to her face, etc.
@@gianniwu6564 reminds me of the way they would treat that one croc gang they always ran into in the show. they even became sort of friendly in the end.
@@camoking3609 Oh I was thinking he was talking about the RUclips or TikTok Short. Yeah it feels like something I would watch on the Legends of Awesomeness show.
Worst of all. Po’s Dad was in the same room as Shen. When we know damn well this man was on the verge of tears the last movie when he remembers how Shen took everything from him.
Tai Lungs backstory: I was meant to be the dragon warried but was denied the scroll Shens backstory: I used fireworks to make weapons which scared my parents into calling a fortune teller, the teller told me I'd be defeated so I genocided the pandas to stop it from happening Kais backstory: I wanted to harness all of chi to become stronger so my best friend stopped me which only drove my motivation to steal all the past warriors chi's Chameleons backstory: They called me short :(
Tai Lung’s introduction: *Seen being the sole prisoner of a place in the middle of the mountains while also escaping said prison.* Shen’s introduction: *Shows us the progress of his conquest of his city by having him make weapons with his army and killing one kung fu master and imprisoning the other two.* Kai’s introduction: *Fights Master Oogway and wins while implying to us that he’s beaten all previous masters in the afterlife including the other two mentioned.* Chameleon’s introduction: “I raised taxes and kicked someone down some stairs. FEAR ME!”
@@marcusgabriel8365 Chameleon's conflict of not being a kung fu master because she was short is ridiculous cuz of viper and mantis. Also the fact her horrific act is pushing someone down the stairs feels like the director had no clue as to how to develop her character.
Fr, they made Tai Lung so sympathetic in the first movie that he nearly forgave Shifu and (even though logically he would’ve been sent to prison again) he could’ve rejoined Shifu and the Furious Five If you’re gonna bring Tai Lung back at least give us some kind of closure
mfw you waste one of Dreamwork's best antagonists. I love Shen's monstrosity, but Tai Lung has that "complex relationship with his mentor/father-figure" archetype I find very fascinating.
he was very out-of-character. his dialogue with Po was... bad. it did not at all feel like something Tai Lung would say, no matter how much his time in the spirit realm might've mellowed him out. we're probably lucky that Shen and Kai had no lines.
I feel like the villains should have been introduced from the beginning or in the first few minutes, so they had screen time and it didn't feel so rushed or cheap.
@@nimbostratus1162 Come to think of it, Tai Lung had out of character moments to some extent and as you say I think Shen and Kai were lucky not to have any lines, who knows what they would make him say.
I feel like the chameleon should have had the staff much earlier and then all the villains could have a big role, Shifu arriving with Po and the Furious 5 to support him in the final battle or something.
I would’ve liked a hesitant but necessary team up between Po and Tai-lung, but that’s just speculating on a different movie that coulda happened instead of this one
The thing that frustrates me the most is that Shen, Kai, and the Furious Five all have _no lines in the entire movie._ I’m betting it’s because they didn’t want to spend the money to cast the celebrities to voice act a few lines, but come on!
@@leithaziz2716Angelina Jolie and Lucy Liu instead of Scarlett Johansson, plus David Cross, but yeah, this. It’s weird given Dreamworks early legacy was all about having star power in their VAs. Not saying the VAs nowadays are slouches but really says a lot in how the times are changing.
Yeah they gave the director way to much freedom. A art designer or something even left after a week because how it was going. Like bring back Jennifer yuh Nelson.
On top of this, he literally has no reason to be chill with Po like they all are at the end. Same goes for Chen, ESPECIALLY Chen. These 2 have no reason to be on Po's side at all 😂😂 Tai Lung is the only character I can believe being chill with Po
It's funny how a year ago after the release of The Last Wish, everyone was already claiming that Dreamworks has usurped Disney as the king of animation. Since then, Dreamworks has given us: Teenage Kraken Megamind 2 on Peacock And now Kung Fu Panda 4 Dreamworks has their fair share of masterpieces, but I think the lesson learned here is to not be too invested in a movie industry, Disney included. Because at the end of the day, Dreamworks is no different than Disney, in terms of it's a multi-billion dollar industry whose main goal is to make money.
6:15 "Kung-Fu Panda on autopilot" is crushing. What made the KFP movies great is the effort Dreamworks put into them. KFP1 could've been just a formulaic underdog sports movie, but it wasn't. KFP2 could've gone the "do the first one again, but uninspired" sequel route, but it didn't. Even KFP3 pushed the envelope visually and had some S-tier Mr. Ping moments. It sucks that, after all the great movies we've gotten, KFP4 finally became what we feared KFP1 would be.
Spit on. This is exactly what I would’ve expected a movie called “Kung Fu Panda” would be if the first 2 weren’t so good. Cheap, quirky humor, generic story, no interesting message to give.
Like i cannot believe whoever worked on this film had a single digit of respect for the previous 3 movies, i dare to watch all 4 films and tell me if they learned anything from this one
KFP until the third is very good, the third may have been average, but it still had philosophical and serious moments, few but they were still in it, it ends its story with Po defeating a great enemy and establishing himself as the dragon warrior, but this It doesn't work, it has nothing special and I fear that they will do it in a 5th and 6th installment, DW is beginning to massacre one of its most beloved sagas, unless they realize the criticism and straighten out the franchise.
>Aquafina >no furious five Yeah I wonder why I wonder wonder why I don't wanna be mean but legit Aquafina has kinda become a sign that a movie will probably not be good She's good but you know
@@leeminhyung167 legit same I think she was good in that an Hollywood tried to jump at the chance an started putting her in everything Like how they saw the rock and Kevin hart were good together so they made a bunch of stuff that got old fast
Dreamworks made the same mistake as its rival, a fourth installment that stained the saga, the truth is I thought they would never continue the saga and if they did it could be from other characters like the furious 5.
Worst thing in the 4th movie was that it ruined the message in the 3rd movie. In 3rd movie Shifu says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is, then in the end Po learns to become more than he is, than in 4th movie Shifu AGAIN says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is. It's like nothing was learned in 3rd movie.
For real! What was what?! A better lesson would've been accepting change and learning how to face it, whether it being good or bad. Po has to choose the new Dragon Warrior and start training them. He could be worried of choosing the wrong future Dragon Warrior, afraid of creating the next Tai Lung. And/Or worried of not fulfilling his next role as good as Master Oogway. Yet, despite not wanting to leave his role as the Dragon Warrior, the role he's the most comfortable now, he still attempts to take the next step, despite how scared or uncertain he feels.
The fact that they couldn’t make Viola Davis (the same woman who played AMANDA FUCKING WALLER mind you) an intimidating/threatening presence, is insane
I read someone else’s comment that instead of her reason for turning to villainy, they should have made her have just really fragile bones like a real chameleon and therefore NEED to turn to magic. I also think they should have made her a villain that tests Po’s intelligence and strategic ability by making her politically and mentally really strong, something we have seen Viola Davis do in Amanda Waller. Also, I think she should have somehow stole Po’s staff, using Awkwafina’s character, because of how powerful it is, and mixed with her magic she could have resurrected the past villains and have them under her control with the promise of taking revenge on Po (but they wouldn’t be as powerful since she isn’t stupid and wouldn’t resurrect them at their most powerful so that any of them could beat her). Now, with the staff and the other previous villains under her control, she could convince the country that they don’t need the dragon warrior, or something to that effect. Awkwafina’s character would feel bad and turn over and help Po in trying to get the staff back. Then, in order to test his new sage knowledge, Po would have to convince each past villain to fight alongside him and even have moments of hearts to heart with them (especially Tai Lung), maybe even have a small training montage as they try to get back the power that the Chameleon took from them, then they all use their strengths in order to take down the Chameleon with the staff, this would end the story with Po seeing the past villains off as they return to the spirit world, put in a touching moment between Shifu and Tai Lung and I think that would have been interesting. Of course, this also isn’t perfect as I just made it up in like 5-10mins but tweaked and more fleshed out that would have been much better than what we got I think. We get to see the past villains, touching moments with Tai Lung, the Chameleon gets to become apart of the roster as a good villain who can stand with the rest, Po learns how to be more sage-like, and maybe awkwafina will be less annoying
@InevitableOption-ic2vx Agreed, these types of comments are pretty underrated imo, because of how bad our generation is, our attention spans been fucked, this comment really is one of the interesting ones I've seen.
Bro just wrote a better plot💀 honestly now that I'm not a teen anymore, I'm getting more disappointed by the day that legendary movies are of the past never to return 😢
I thought he was already a master, now all of a sudden he's portrayed as a bumbling student again? Dreamworks just milking the franchise instead of being creative....
@@user-mz9xo3hx1h Previous movies ends with Shifu acknowledging Po as an equal and fully fledged master of kung fu who he himself has something to learn from. This movie begins with Shifu making Po's career decisions for him and treating him like a problematic student, with Po acting the part.
They really want us to believe that the chameleon is the most dangerous villain, her most evil action is pushing people through the stairs, meanwhile shen committed a whole genocide towards pandas 😂
Man, the previous antagonist (Kai) gets returned from dead and have ability to steal master's souls and then use them as he's henchmans, what they are trying to talking about?
They could’ve made the movie so much more emotional or tense if they made Chameleon raid the Valley of Peace and injure civilians which would’ve directly hurt Po just as much as Shen because Po knew the people from the Valley while he barely knew his mother (I am not trying to downplay Po’s mother, her death is still the most sad death in the trilogy). However instead, they made her an all powerful being that just immediately loses, nothing else.
She did fine in The Bad Guys. She can actually be good if you give her the right script or stop typecasting her as the annoying comic relief. If anything you should be grateful that at least she’s not like James Corden.
@@hunterolaughlin Yeah, people gotta stop acting like it's all her fault lmao. She's fine. I do not understand the Awkwafina hate boner everyone has. Kung Fu Panda 4 wasn't good, but I fail to understand how that's HER fault specifically.
Another thing that made people hype up Dreamworks way too much was that not only was PiB2 a masterpiece, but another really good movie in the Bad Guys came right before. This, combined with that year being absolutely abysmal for Disney, made people put the studio on a pedestal as the new animation god when nothing changed after that
Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas
Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas
"There's a scene late in this film that's just complete bullshit, and if you've seen the movie I think you'll know which one I'm talking about." Do you understand how little that narrows it down.
My guess it's the scene where tai lung acts nothing like how he did in the first movie. "It kinda misunderstand the films and its characters" perfectly describes the portrayal of tai lung as this agreeable and motivationless husk of himself that he was in kung fu panda 4.
Is it the one where all the villians bow to po, including shen who realistically would never bow to po due to all of the things that he did to po that would make him not realistically want to bow to po
My thing is, I wouldn't have minded them sidelining the Five as much if they had put more focus on Shifu. How crazy would it have been to have a scene where Shifu and Tai Lung reconcile? Imagine Tai Lung forgiving Shifu after seeing the work he's put into training Po - he didn't mess this one up. Third time's a charm, no? Also, I wish they would have done more with how messed up the Chameleon's power is. Have her turn into Lord Shen to terrorize Li Shan. Have her fight Shifu as Tai Lung! I don't think it's so hard to imagine creative ways to make her even just a little more evil.
True, and I think they were on to something with her abusive connection with another character. I wish they would’ve delved a little deeper into those themes since they had potential for a good story. In a way it reminded me of Gothel from Tangled
chameleon could be the representation of fear, by being able to acquire the ability to pretend to be someone, as you say that she used the appearance of the three to cause fear, Po's father could have had some development similar to Po, by surpassing Shen or the memory of it and Shifu was able to accompany Po and have scenes with Tai Lung
Very true!! Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a good example of an evil shapeshifter character. They got sadistic pleasure from the reactions they got from turning into people’s loved ones.
@@cristalmagic8664like obviously they wouldn’t go THIS far but imagine their take on the chameleon as shen being akin to vibingleaf’s kung fu panda video where she keeps bringing up everything the real shen did to po and the rest of the pandas
I think it would have been cool if the main villain was the next dragon warrior, make it where the villain finally changed and gets redeemed, we saw shifu try to redeem Tai lung and fail, Po tried with shen, and Oogway tried with Kai, it’d be cinema to see it finally happen
@@jordanyoung1437and Shen shouldn’t have gone there in the first place I thought it was implied that not everyone was sent to the spirit realm, you have to have inner peace before you die, or get sent there directly from techniques like the finger hold Shen died by getting crushed by a cannon, not having found peace in the slightest
It's entirely possible inner piece isn't needed? (Shen is a jade on Kai in the third movie, indicating He beat them both in the spirit realm as he hadn't yet escaped) However Kai showing up doesn't work because he was overloaded on a spiritual level. Unless the Chameleon can use concepts (and i..I'm pretty sure they can't) its just an oversight I assume.
No fr. Like, get this: When he first trained to become the Dragon Warrior, Po was forced to take a sacred oath in which he promised not to engage in any sort of drug-related behaviour. But one day, he accidentally has crack, thinking it's powdered sugar (because he definitely eats plain powdered sugar). And he loves it. Po is forced to deal with his addiction in secret, with the Furious Five and Shifu wondering why the hell he's always tripping. Eventually, he's caught by a citizen, and society shuns him when the news spreads. Po flees the city, ashamed and having lost all confidence in himself. He tries to off himself, but instead of dying, he loses consciousness and has a vision where he's back in the spirit realm. After a talk with Oogway (because we need our turtle words of wisdom) and POSSIBLY some of the other villains who have also engaged in crack-related mishaps, Po realizes that he has to return to the village, and that one mistake does not define who he is as a person. He wakes up, and with a new resolve sets off for home. Of course, not everyone is willing to accept him, but the Furious Five forgive him, with Monkey admitting that he also broke the drug oath on several occasions. And in the end, that's all the acceptance Po needed.
After a lifetime of idolising heroes and kungfu, Po is finally where he's always wanted to be. The Dragon Warrior, the master of Kung Fu and hero of the valley. But, as time goes on, and the reality from the past 4 movies set it, he finds his heart's just not in it anymore. So anyways, the British arrive. Po and the Furious Five, along with the kung fu masters of China, fend off the British invasion (the British are like bulldogs, owls, and deer maybe). When the British are forced back by the sheer power of Kung Fu, they realise that, in order to take China, they need to weaken their resolve. Po, already subdued on Kung Fu, becomes disillusioned after the tragedies he's seen in the British/Chinese war. A clever fox (still played by Aquafina, why not?) offers Po something to take the edge off: Opium. The high he gets is great, the greatest thing he's felt in a long time. Slowly, he and much of the Valley of Peace, succumb to the numbing effects of this new drug. When the British come back, they're met with far less resistance, and colonise China. To ensure their continued rule, they push the Opium onto the remaining sober kung fu warriros. It isn't until Po meets with the spirit of Nancy Reagan that he learns to say no to drugs. He, along with Tigress and the drug dealing fox (who, again, is still Aquafina, and also learns that drugs are bad), convinces everyone to put down the Opium pipe and instead pick up a Bible. Then Po sca-dooshes the King of England, and China is saved.
I find it funny that the chameleon was a walmart Kai. She only took power from the dead , unlike Kai who stole from both the living and the dead. She didn’t even get to absorb oogway.
"PIB2’s success was most likely due to Bob Persichetti, the original director of The Last Wish, the guy who came up with the plot and the hook along with Guillermo Del Toro (Puss on his last life). The reason why they have stepped animation is because Bob brought that influence from his time working on Into the Spider-Verse. It was not Joel Crawford. Bob was also the one who conceived the Wolf/Death character. But DreamWorks let Bob go because they thought his vision was too dark (they thought Wolf was too scary, a terrible villain). The story was basically complete when the new directors took over The Last Wish. The heart was already there because of Bob, the new directors just added more comedy on top of it. But yeah basically, the current DreamWorks execs don’t know what they’re doing. They lucked out with Bob but let him go because they didn’t understand the talent they had in him. Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken, Trolls 3( Orion and the Dark, KFP4… that’s all Margie Cohn and Kristin Lowe. You can see how their sensibilities have affected all of the movies they’ve approved. If KFP4 is a bad movie, it’s on Mike Mitchell; the writers, and these execs."
I adore The last wish, but I can't lie, I think one of the reasons it's so beloved is because nobody expected it to be good. Look me in the (metaphorical) eye and tell me that when watching the trailer, you weren't thinking "At least the animation will be good".
The thing is, the story could have been really good and it would have been an easy fix: 1.) Have the Chameleon resurrect Tai Lung and steal his kung fu but have Tai Lung escape from her fortress. 2.) Po finds Tai Lung powerless in the world and realizes that he is the only one who can show him where the Chameleon is hiding and how to get into her fortress, since he just escaped from there. Also, Tai Lung would realize that Po is the only one powerful enough to defeat the Chameleon and restore his kung fu, so the two of them form a temporary and reluctant alliance. At least, it would be reluctant on Tai Lung's part. 3.) As the two go on their adventure throughout the movie, Po and Tail Lung start to bond and learn more about each other. Po learns how Tai Lung never believed in himself and is actually insecure. He believes that if he is anything not the Dragon Warrior, himself, then he is not enough. Since this was Po's character arc in the first movie, Po would understand this insecurity more than anyone and would help Tai Lung to accept himself and obtain inner peace. This would also tie into Po's journey as a spiritual leader. 4.) As Tail Lung is without his kung fu, the thing that he thought gave any kind of value, he would be forced to grow and find ways that he can help Po without violence and force. For instance, Tai Lung is charismatic and cunning, he could help Po think their way through certain situations and maybe pursuad the criminals in the movie to join their team. This would further help Tai Lung to value himself and see himself as something more then just a weapon. 5.) Tai Lung gets his kung fu back during the final battle with the Chameleon and he fights alongside Po and we would see in their fighting styles that, while Po and Tai Lung are essential opposites of each other, they are also compliments to each other. Tai Lung is the Yin to Po's Yang. 6.) After the Chameleon is defeated, Tai Lung finally accepts himself and realizes that he has no reason to stay in the mortal realm and returns to spirit realm, with the Chameleon in tow. Before parting ways, Tai Lung shows respect to Po and thanks him, much like the actual movie. Case and point: if they replaced Zhen with Tai Lung this would have been a better movie.
You perfectly portrayed Po not as the student but the teacher, acknowledging the past 3 movies very nicely while giving Tai Lung a redemption arc. And also making Chameleon and actual villian. I give it a 100/10!
Imagine if the Chameleon did all this cool power stealing stuff super early on, in a montage, and the last target, Tai Lung, does get his power stolen but in doing so manages to escape back to the mortal realm. And much like the bird from the original movie kicks the heroes into action, this time Tai Lung is the one to bring the warning. That would give them much more time to work on the character dynamics and pay off the first movie in major new ways
I would have had the opening be the Chameleon fighting and defeating the Furious Five and Shifu to establish her as a threatening villain, give Po motivation and explain why the Five are absent. Then you have Po being forced to turn to the only ally left to help him, a redeemed Tai Lung (who has been changed by his years spent reflecting in the spirit realm) with the two of them teaming up on an adventure to stop the Chameleon. Then at the end of the movie you have Po pass the title of Dragon Warrior to Tai Lung, not because he has to but because he wants to as he feels Tai Lung has finally earned that title through his actions. A perfect passing of the torch and a fitting end to Tai Lung's character arc.
I like how these two random people (who I will assume do not have a professional mind in story crafting and movie making) made better decisions for a story then the actual director
“Po’s greatest enemy” … Are we forgetting that Shen committed not only mass genocide, leaving Po to be one of the few remaining survivors of his race AND Shen was the central point of Po’s past trauma, who, may I mind you, attempted to kill Po a multitude of times in one film: once as an infant, second time at their 1v1 in the factory, third time at the final battle, and fourth on the mutilated ship which caused Shen’s demise.
The Kung Fu Panda trilogy was fucking perfection. However the moment I heard that fart joke in the trailer i just KNEW the fourth one would not live up to the past three.
Same that felt so out of place for the Kung Fu Panda Movies. Like what people expect from a movie about Jack Black voicing a fat panda learning martial arts rather than what Kung Fu Panda is.
@@martinaguiluz4063 The third one isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and it was absolutely the weakest of the three, but it's still substantially stronger than the fourth, at least in my opinion. I think that the villains illustrate how good each of the films were pretty well; Tai Lung is amazing (in quality of action, in backstory, in threat posed), Shen is equally if not more amazing, Kai falls far below the other two when it comes to writing, especially since I don't think he has a strong enough connection to any of the main characters unlike Tai Lung and Shen, but his action and threatening-ness still hold up, plus his design is just great. The chameleon just isn't the same level of threatening, cool, or well written in my opinion. Sorry for the rant. Tldr: Shen is love, Shen is life.
Remember how Kung Fu Panda 2 began with the villain committing genocide then killing someone point-blank with a cannon? Well, the Chameleon pushed a guy down some stairs. Now his arm's broken. That's just demented.
*IN THAT YEAR:* "There's no Easter Bunny,there's no Tooth Fairy...and there's no unnecessary sequels to classic and acclaimed Dreamworks franchises." •Tighten.
So i watched all three kung fu movies to refresh myself before seeing the new movie. In the first movie, Oogways staff is broken by Tai Lung. Second and third movie? The staff has a golden band to seal it and keep it together. You could even take that as a metaphor for oneself, that youre never truly broken and you can heal even stronger than before. The band is completely gone in this 4th movie. It does not exist, and the staff is completely smooth. And I think that says a lot about the movie's attention to detail and the growth of the characters compared to the previous installments.
Someone asked the co-director of the movie, Stephanie Stein, about that actually, and she said "I think because our production designer Paul Duncan pitched the idea that when he mastered chi, he was able to fix the staff. But don’t quote me on this one. He was passionate about every single little detail." I think it would've been a lot more better if they actually showed that.
I kind of wish instead of the fox girl it was a forced team up between Tai Lung and Po, no joke it would’ve been a great way to tie back to the first film and give us an actual interesting dynamic between our two leads.
Oh... now I am even more sad and disappointed we didn't get that and instead got what we got... sometimes I wish that creative teams work with fans more because when a franchise gets big enough, there's a lot of fans out there that have some really cool ideas.
This film fails in so many ways, but Aquafina is getting the Chris Pratt paradox, where the more successful an actor you are and the more gigs you get, the worse of an actor you are in being able to convince the audience of your voice belonging to a character
So there’s been some new bts info that was just released and it reveals quite a lot why this movie feels so half assed - KFP4 early on was considered to be a live action-animation hybrid, one of the early versions of the movie had Po stuck in a BOX for 20 minutes - Mike Mitchell had total creative control over the movie and treated co-director Stephanie Ma Stine like a nobody - Mitchell insisted on not giving the Chameleon and Zhen any backstory in earlier versions of the movie, and when the studio pushed him they were too far into production to add anything but the Chameleon’s few lines - The film’s runtime was a mandate by the studio because they felt children couldn’t watch anything that was too long - Shen, Kai, and the Furious 5 were very last minute additions to the point their animation rigs were “made of sticks and glue” which is why they have zero plot relevance and couldn’t even get the voice actors back - Stephanie wanted KFP4 to stay truer to the first 2 films but was dismissed as a “nobody” by the crew - Po and Shifu were supposed to have a vision of the Chameleon kidnapping Shifu which gave a reason for Po to try to stop her, he gets kidnapped anyway due to the Chameleon’s manipulation, and there were supposed to be scenes where Shifu and Tai Lung met, the execs loved it but “someone axed it” - Stephanie fought for Zhen to be redeemed ONSCREEN after betraying Po - The writers seemed to hate any comments “poking holes at the story” - Many crew members pitched for Zhen’s family’s backstory but all were discarded So yeah all of this info seems to explain why this movie is so frustrating with how the final product turned out, there’s much more info but these are just the highlights
Seems like the company was REALLY trying to make Zhen a thing, just like Nora Lum, no I'm not using that stupid name she calls herself. I thought this was Kung Fu PANDA, not Sassy DEI fox chick.
also okay side note: because it was beginning production during the Writer's strike, the animators had to pick up the slack towards the end. There was a whole kerfuffle about "storytelling through action" and it really hinders more than it helps too, which double-sucks on the angle of a lack of cohesive or decent story too.
Bro I feel like if they actually would have listened to Stephanie the movie would have been WAAAAAY better I mean it's not bad but it's not the same level With the trilogy and now we're gonna need to Establish lore for Zhen in the 2ND movie rather than getting it out the way we have to wait for a plot that now may be a bit predictable if they actually decide to tell zhens backstory so now its going to feel like instead of a new adventure its just a new adventure that followd the old patterns of the first movie random picked dragon warriors 2nd backstory 3rd masters enemy which kind of doesn't sound like the 3rd makes sense but still
It sucks that we didn't get that version of Kung Fu Panda 4 with Shifu getting kidnapped by the Chameleon and the tone of the first two installments, except the live-action/animation hybrid one.
kung fu panda 1 was the physical battle kung fu panda 2 was the psychological battle kung fu panda 3 was the spiritual battle kung fu panda 4 was nothing. It was such a perfect trilogy
@@100organicfreshmemes5I’m glad I’m not the only one that didn’t care for 3. It’s not a bad movie of course, but the others felt stronger in terms of narrative and character growth.
Eh perfect duology with a mediocre sequel to make a great trilogy rather. I was perfectly fine with that, now if we take it all combined it makes for an average quadrulogy of movies which is...just so sad.
Dreamworks works like a dream. Most times you have shitty dreams that absolutely make no sense, then there's that one dream with the most well-written storylines, good plot, and it makes so much sense and has deep meaning. Gotta love dreamworks.
Tbh I found it very funny when the Chameleon was just like “SUMMON THIS GUY, (slurps yellow light thingy) SUMMON THIS GUY TOO,” like dude it just felt so hilarious seeing literally everyone fall to kirby ripoff 💀💀
Tbf Katzenberg has stated this is basically step 1 in a new trilogy thats probably going to focus on Po giving up the mantle of Dragon Warrior and the Awkwafina fox going through similar adventures as Po and learning similar or different concepts Though this will probably depend on its box office returns
In the new film, Po's father (the panda) is in the same place in the finally and clearly sees Lord Shen. Not a single word is spoken about that. SUCH WASTED POTENTIAL.
Honestly they just about nerfed Li (that's his name) worse than in the third movie. In KFP2 we were shown how he fucking pummeled wolves into the ground with his hammer. In KFP3 it's like, okay, he's old, he doesn't like fighting anymore. But in this one he's straight up a pussy. All he did was act like an old married couple with Mr. Ping (the goose) while going on a pointless adventure to "help" Po.
I KNOW like literally I really wanted to see them interacting! Shen destroyed Li Shan's village and family and I Wish so bad that this was a thing instead of what we got
Fr. I take such issue with Juniper city as a concept, because po WENT to a CITY, IN THE SECOND MOVIE! AND IT WAS SUPER FAR AWAY. I know China's a big place especially on foot, but it's like. Was the best you could do THAT? It's so basic, even the criminal underground has zero flavor, which is DIFFICULT to do
My wife and I went to see this and thought this movie actually had great potential. She had a fantastic idea that only seemed better after discussing it at length. Make Tai Lung the main supporting character. If they were going to bring Tai Lung back, this movie should've been a Po and Tai Lung adventure. Dying and chilling in the spirit world would've been a good catalyst for the start of his character arc. It could've led to some really fun dynamic between the two because of their personalities. Like you know Tai Lung would definitely make a quip about Po killing him. But more interestingly, we couldve seen Shifu and Tai Lung meet again! Like seriously think about the emotional gut punch a scene like that could've been. Kung Fu Panda is very comedic, but they always have at leasg one really powerful emotional scene, which this movie honestly lacked. Tai Lung and Shifu reconnecting would've been that scene. Also it would've been really poetic if Tai Lung was chosen to be the next dragon warrior. It'd be coming full circle and in my opinion really narratively satisfying. It'd be Po fulfilling his job as a new spiritual leader to help Tai Lung fulfill his spiritual journey and finally become qualified to be dragon warrior. Because honestly that's what Tai Lung lacked. He had all the skill to become the dragon warrior, but he didn't have the right mindset for it. He learned the secret of the dragon scroll in the first movie, and literally threw it away. Working to achieve that spiritual peace of mind and acceptance would've been a fantastic redemption arc for Tai Lung.
One thing I’ll genuinely give the movie credit for is the scene where Shifu passes Oogway’s peach tree metaphor on to Po-that was honestly a really nice touch.
related to that of Shifu & Oogway, the final scene with Shifu meditating & the scene zooms out to reveal the growing peach tree from the first movie? actual bliss.
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Honestly dreamworks should’ve put the budget they had for this movie into an actual theatrical megamind sequel
@@leithaziz2716IS IT GOOD?? I remember almost buying it at a yard sale YEARS ago and I haven't seen it since, I always wonder if I made a mistake not getting the dvd
I love how everyone claimed Puss In Boots 2 was the beginning of some sort of DreamWorks renaissance, when I'd argue the opposite happened. They put out ONE movie that blew everyone away TWO YEARS AGO, and everything after has received either mixed or negative reception.
The bad guys was amazing too, you should check it out. But yeah they dropped puss in boots and decided to never learn anything from it for it’s future movies
@straivalist8281 I really should check Bad Guys out! I'd also argue the "DreamWorks renaissance" claims really stopped in June of 2023, when Ruby Gillman was released. Everyone was hyping it up because of Last Wish and the fact that it appeared (I need to emphasize APPEARED) to be making fun of the 2023 Little Mermaid remake. But then the movie came out and didn't get great reviews, and everyone realized they got their hopes up too high. It's honestly kinda funny how for, like, the past five DreamWorks projects, everyone's said "How did we go from Puss In Boots 2 to...this?!"
They did the previous villains so dirty. You can't market their return as the main selling point, then keep them locked in cages the whole time. Tai Lung should've had some sort of intense reunion with Shifu. Shen and Kai don't even say or do anything. And the Chameleon is still the weakest villain here. I will say though, I have a whole new appreciation for the third film.
I was skeptical about the fact that they were all coming back at all. The only one to make logical sense is Tai Lung, as the others are either not kung fu masters, or literally ceased to exist within the afterlife itself.
I think they should maybe do a time skip where Po is older and maybe more experienced... And so he can actually give advice. As explanation they should add like a intro of what Po experienced in the time skip.
Yeah, like with Oogway's adventures with his buddy Kai in KFP3! And Po could've mastered some of the mind-blowing kung fu that Oogway possessed, like when Oogway stopped Tai Lung leaping for the Dragon Scroll, or when he fought General Kai in the Spirit Realm. There was so much potential in this franchise for another outstanding chapter in the story, but they blew it. Massive disappointment.
The whole 30 second scene of the “who you choose to be” in kung fu panda 2 where they show Po’s progress is a million times more emotional and impactful than the whole of part 4 😢
4:58 THANKYOU! I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Since when was the Dragon Warrior a basic mantle to pass on? Pretty sure there is only one.
One thing I noticed that really made this movie really just feel underwhelming was the opening scene. In the first movie, we got the 2D animated dream sequence. In the second movie, we had the artstyle mimicking the paper puppets. The third movie had a cool battle scene in the Spirit Realm where we get introduced to Chi. But this movie just started off with some Rams saying "Hey" to one another. It definitely didn't start with as big of an impact as the other three did, and I wish they did do something with the start.
The color usage is really generic and boring, compared to the beautiful contrasts in 2nd and 3rd film. It doesn't feel like a King Fu Panda film at times.
2:50 “As a young aspiring kung fu student, the Chameleon was ridiculed for her size and rejected from multiple schools.” Thats it. Thats the motivation.
I thought they were gonna do a "less than the sum of its parts" kinda thing where chameleon's kung fu becomes weak because she tries to use contradictory techniques together, or she tries to physically emulate all the different masters and therefore fails (she can't be both light and nimble *and* strong and heavy etc.)... but no. she just gets defeated by awkwafina. awkwafina is stronger than all the kung fu masters combined i guess.
*Kung Fu Panda:A Body-Powerful Begin.* *Kung Fu Panda 2:A Mind-Brilliant Sequel.* *Kung Fu Panda 3:A Heart-Spirited Threequel.* Kung Fu Panda 4:Something that exists.
One thing that rubbed me wrong was the premise of Poe passing the torch. Like he’s still so young why is this even a premise yet? He’s only been the dragon warrior a few years at this point.
That's what I thought. Like, shouldn't this wait until he's at least . . . I don't know, grandfather age? I suppose the argument could be that all this happened as a result of Oogway giving Po his staff, not because Po was aging. The staff jump-started the whole thing.
If this movie was set like, 50 or even 20 years into the future, I could buy that premise. But this is like, very short after the 3rd movie events so...what were they trying to go with this?
It’d be way better if they set it up where the main villain would be the dragon warrior, to me that’d make it way more about a story of redemption and seeing the best in people
@@partystarter8041 Honestly having the Chameleon be the next dragon warrior would've been interesting, because none of the previous villains have been redeemed and the Chameleon really hadn't done anything too bad prior to the events of the film from what I remember
From what I've learned(haven't watched the movie), the Chameleon is a lackluster villain compared to the other three KFP villains who could easily have been so much better. I would've made her similar to Mother Gothel in terms of her relationship with Zhen, as well as expanded on her insecurities. She thinks people look down on her for being small and seeks to right this perceived error by taking all the Kung Fu for herself. The reason why she changes into other masters is because she loathes her self, only seeing value in herself if she can do what everyone else can. She sees herself in Zhen, a relatively small thief who isn't really like by anybody else and even somewhat hated, and as such holds some genuine affection for her. It's why she took her in as an apprentice in the first place. However, she is more concerned with forcing her worldview on Zhen than actualy raising her, which is why Zhen has issues with trust and forming bonds. It could have served as a great plotpoint where Zhen was torn between following in her master's footsteps or taking the leap and attempt to become more than she was. Feel free to ignore my ramblings, though.
I wish so badly instead of a 4th kung fu panda, we got a prequel focusing on the furious 5. I know there's a series about them but I just would've loved to see more of them in movie form, especially tigress
Fr, hopefully people being displeased with the lack of Furious Five in this movie will prompt them to actually give them more screen time and development. They haven't done much since the second movie.
Hot Take: KP4's story is good as a barebones concept but with atrocious execution. I definitely agree with the kungfu stealing power being weightless. Personally, I'd reimagine her powers to be more so similar as a blend between the Chameleon and Taskmaster from the Spiderman comics. She doesn't literally steal someone's kungfu as she perfectly imitates it, just like how a chameleon would. They could also make a more interesting plot by playing up the Trickster aspect. Maybe, idk, hear me out, making Zhen and the Chameleon one in the same. Zhen is a fake persona made by the big bad so she could more easily study Po's moves and defeat him. By building a student-master relation with the dragon warrior, she can learn his habits, his technique, and completely mimic his character. Which would lead to my last change, changing Chameleon's entire characer motivation into **REPLACING** Po as the dragon warrior. She has the cunning of Shen, the motivation of Tai Lung, and the supernatural-like powers similar to Kai (her abilities I would retool as a chi lock rather than a chi steal, so it doesn't plagiarize too much off Kai's moveset) As a chameleon, all she could be is a mimic, living in the shadows, but as the dragon warrior, she could finally get the reverence and respect she deserves. The reason Zhen informed Po of the Chameleon was not to defeat her, but to make him go on a fake Hero's Journey and walk him to his own death, then taking his place with no one the wiser. Not Shi Fu, not The Five, NO ONE!!! Idk, for me that's how I'd salvage the movie's story but to fit all this in, it'd probably have to be at least almost 2 hours long. Probably would work better as an animated series arc than a movie plotline. TL:DR, this could've been great if it was retooled a bit and extended into a 3-5 episode arc in a KP animated series
This sounds like a pretty cool rewrite to be honest. I think it would work as a 1-2 part movie, with this being an Empire Strikes Back kind of film, where we end on Po being dethroned as the dragon warrior by Zhen, reuniting with Tai Lung, and the next film could've carried the theme of this one (change) forward by pushing Po to realize he can't always be the dragon warrior and he needs to be wiser. The idea of him becoming a spiritual leader could've been sold so much more effectively by his test of character coming from redeeming someone else (Tai Lung) and bringing him back to become the next dragon warrior. You could write it as Tai helping Po reclaim the title, but Po pulling a reversi. And that would be really cool because I do think Tai and Po have great chemistry as characters. I don't particularly get why people disliked Zhen so much, but I agree she could've been better.
@@pax6833 I agree. A two parter would be so awesome(ness). I'm a sucker for stories that take their heroes to rock bottom before making them rise higher than ever before. Also, making Po team up with Tai Lung could also finally give him the redemption arc he never got with Shifu. I'd also probably retool her spirit realm abilities into some kind of chi lock. Unlike Kai who steals chi, she can only lock the flow of chi throughout your body, making you weak and ultimately unable to use Kung Fu. Also, I'd really love to see how Po would convince everyone he once knew that they're being played. A kungfuless Po walking into the Jade palace outta nowhere with Tai Lung alongside him, trying to convince everyone the perfect imitation of Po standing beside them isn't real. Just imagining it makes me sad this movie exists.
The comment that you made about Mantis and Viper was literally the first thought that popped into my head when I saw that part. I was like, "Really, they didn't think of that?"
Literally same. Like they turn down the Chameleon but not the god damn Mantis??? They must have forgot he existed since he wasn't in the movie the entire time until the end credits.
@@whiskeywolfgang"not amazing" and "it was ass" are 2 different things. Almost everyone will agree that the 3rd one was the weakest but still a good movie and a necessary closure.
Honestly, I love Kung Fu Panda 2 more than the first since it felt the most like a story of growth and defeating the biggest threat to PO. Which is why it disappointed me when the only one who talks to Po is Tailung. It's like, while it's nice hearing and seeing him again, what would be better is if Shen, the one with more impact to Po's life could talk to him and say something similar to what Tailung said. I know he has the least amount of knowledge about Oogway between the three past villains so even Kai saying Po was worthy would take the spotlight off just Tailung. Maybe a good final act would be Po finally thinking of a good inspirational quote and talk no jutsuing his past adversaries into skadooshing themselves and sending themselves to the spirit world, sapping that power from the chameleon. It would be powerful since it would be thier first selfless act (except Shen letting the fortune teller free was his first but whatever) making the whole "Po is the new Oogway proving insight" storyline actually mean something.
@@babyblouie The point of the second movie was that he moved on from that and he even tried to talk Shen down after blowing up his boat but even if they didn't talk, the whole "convince them to skadoosh themselves like po did in KFP 3" is still on the table.
Kung Fu Panda 1: Bad @ss cape Kung Fu Panda 2: Cool as Fvck hat Kung Fu Panda 3: A hat on a hat Kung Fu Panda 4: A hat on a hat on a hat. If you are writing for this series, there isn’t much more to add other than if maybe you focused on other characters or tweaked the setting. Even then, there’s a whole animated series and such so there really is NO REASON to add more to this series.
A well made universe can always be expanded upon. Just because kung fu panda 4 didn't do a great job at that doesn't mean there is nothing to be added.
It's sad that they didn't create some great character interactions with the brought back characters. Like Po and tai lung or shen and Po's dad. A conversation or interaction between any of them would be amazing.
*If i ain't wrong, i remember it was when nobody in Juniper recognized him as the dragon warrior so he goes-* 'Or, you might know me better as the Kung Fu Panda'
Kung Fu Panda villain : Tai Lung has past tied to Shifu Kung Fu Panda 2 villain : lord Shen has past tied to Po Kung Fu Panda 3 villain : Kai has past tied to Oogway Kung Fu Panda 4 villain : Chameleon "should has past with tigress or another furious five" but nope. It's just there. Also stealing chi just like Kai
Tai Lung: Tests Po’s physical prowess
Shen: Test’s Po’s mental prowess
Kai:Tests Po’s spiritual prowess
Chameleon: Tests the audience’s patience
4th breaking wall moment
Who agrees that this should've stayed a trilogy
Edit: 1 and 2 are God tier, 3 is alright and 4 is totally a movie
Also Edit:wow thanks for 400 likes I really appreciate it thank you
@@jessemach5817 should have stopped at two
Awkwafina's character tested my patience 😅
@@Decapitationtrainthe third was way better than this
"The most evil thing the Chameleon does is kick someone down the stairs." BRUH Shifu literally kicks Po down the endless stairs of the Jade Palace in the first movie 💀
And now he's on Pure Good wiki. Not heinous enough, is it?
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And I guess the Chameleon is on the pure evil wiki???
@@bugonboris6681 From what I've seen from the comments, her worst action on-screen was pushing someone downstairs. If that's the case, nope, not a chance.
@@ollie_raviollie In the first two acts at least. Obviously she gets up to more evil shit in the third act, but for most of the movie she just has no presence.
It’s like if you didn’t have those scenes of Kai taking out the Furious Five, and he just went straight to the panda village in the third act. So dull.
I'd say the Chameleon is a Villainous Benchmark, I guess. She absolutely fails the standards to the previous three villains too much despite having no redeeming qualities. But, we'll see.
the Chameleon had the combined strength of every past villian yet ironically felt weaker than all of them
i am impressed how they manage to do that
Somebody mentioned that she literally was taken down in two hits, and the only other times she has any sort of physical confrontations it's throwing people down stairs/off walls. That might've done it.
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She kind of was, I mean even though she was hyped to be the strongest, she didn't even fight any of the masters fairly. She SNUCK tai lung, kai and all the others. Like it would've been really cool if she fought one of them one on one and won but no!
jack of all trades master of none moment
No Furious Five.
No Shifu.
No backstory for the villains.
No new plot or character development.
They make the movie so short because they think children will not be able to watch it? Seriously? Children managed to watch the first 3!
the children is us actually....GEN X and GEN Z
@@afiqkhairul1446 the film didn't have skibidi toilet, subway surfers and some random family guy clip simultaneously playing in the background so it failed miserably anyway.
And no Oogway!! I LOVE Master Oogway 🥰
And who said only children will watch it .i am 100% sure that most of the audience are gonna be gen z or older
What do you mean? All 3 movies were barely even 1 hour and 40 min long if you watch them separately!
" i couldnt learn or be taught kungfu, cuz alot of masters said i was too smol"
viper and mantis:.....
trueee
Master Chicken: BUCKAW!?
Shifu whos literally also a master:....
Never understood that scene, i was scratching my head in confusion from beginning to end because nothing she said made sense like bro MANTIS, SNAKE AND SHIFU are martial artist and the bests and now the new fox girl wtf you mean nobody teached you because you're weak and small?! Are the writers even aware of their own characters now that they added in the SAME movie chameleon was in?!
no because tell me why they introduce an artifact at the beginning of the movie which was wielded by a master chipmunk... they literally invented a new small kung fu master for this film and then decided to be like 'nah, Chameleon couldn't learn because tiny'
Shen: Commits Genocide.
The Chameleon: Pushes someone down the stairs.
Bowser in the Mainline Mario games vs. the Spinoff Mario games
Or the original Grinch vs. the Illumination Grinch
Matt Damon: Closes the farm down
Shen commits genocide in the first two minutes of the film and Chameleon doesn’t even show up until way later, and doesn’t do anything threatening until the end 😭
kai: wipes out oogway tai lung shifu all of furious 5 other then tigress master croc chicken and bear and nearly wiped out po and has a thrist of revenge of oogways changes from a military conqurer to a wise old kung fu master in kfp4 he does nothing he and shen do nothing atleast tai lung accepted that he wouldnt be dragon warrior
Edit:Holy Hell My Replys Are Getting Some Attention Also Kai Is A Top 10 Dreamsworks Villian. And Btw my list is tai lung at 3 or 4 and shen is 1 Also Kung Fu Panda 4 Is Basically Toy Story 4 But Its Like 3x worse
This movie hyping up returning villains only for them to do nothing is a real Sonic Forces move
Yeah, that's what I'm getting here
Wrong.
Metal Sonic and Zavok have boss battles, and there's also Episode Shadow (though you're right about Chaos regretfully).
Kai and Shen do absolutely nothing and Tai Lung doesn't even confront Po.
They gave tai lung a good fight scene so I think they are good on that front
@@EggFighterXB-They were severely underused and felt like an after thought, it sounds weird to say but even though they WERE used, they werent used in an interesting way that really justified bringing all of them back aside from trying to hype up a game.
@@theoverseer393He beat up fodder idk if i'd say we're good
Since he dissapears then comes back to take out the trash which was funny tho😂
A kungfu panda movie without furious 5
That already sound wrong
Exactly. Why does po have to make new friends and adventures when we can get more in depth movie with his Freinds we already know. The Furious 5 keep a stable back on the plot of each movie while having them doing funny things.
@@TheSigmaCentral101i guess they might’ve thought that central idea was old and the 4th movie was a perfect time to add a new character. I guess it also make sense that since Po is picking a new dragon warrior, just like Oogway, he didn’t pick someone from the lineup and instead found somebody else more worthy. However, that only lines up with the plotholes of the movie like why does Po NEED to pick a new dragon warrior when he’s still so young.
They are there. As life-sized cardboard cutouts!
@@cockatoo010 you make me spit my water
And proceeds to make a nobody a dragon warrior with zero accomplishments or been taught any of Oogway or Sifu's ways that Po has experienced.
But WHY does he need to stop being the dragon warrior. Hes still young. Hes actually INCREDIBLY young for a kung fu master. Shifu has mentioned throughout the movies how FAST he is learning techniques, what takes other masters DECADES to learn and master he does in a few weeks/months
Come to think of it, how old is por anyway?, how Many years passed since the first movie?.
Am i wrong or its been said that dragon warrior is chosen once every thousand years in the first movie. Is It a plot hole then?
@@thepresidentjulius3820 he is at least 20
@@NervousOne466 no,in reality it is mostly true,ooway have lived like for hundreds of years
Yeah fr i can't get past that part. Specially with apparently 2 more movies set to be in the series??? Why not wait until the end at the least? Or make it a fleet sort of thing? I almost thought they were gonna do something interesting when she said "that magic would take the strength of TEN dragon warriors to break!" like imagine instead of just following tradition for traditions sake, a thing these movies tend to very much go against, they make a point about like 'there's a little dragon warrior in all of us, because it's your heart that makes you powerful/special/etc"
The Co-Director of the movie, Stephanie Mastine, had some amazing ideas. She said she wanted to make the movie truer to the first 2, and Jack Black himself said she brought actual depth and heart. Po would've had a vision of Shifu being kidnapped by the Chameleon, prompting Po to go on a quest to stop her. Despite his best efforts, she would've succeeded. This would've raised the stakes, displayed the Chameleon as a real threat, and allowed Shifu to be there at the end to say goodbye to Tai Lung. Stephanie also wanted Zhen's redemption to be more fleshed out, ensured it to have both dialogue and action, and for it to actually happen onscreen, much to the chagrin of the writers who just wanted her to swoop in out of nowhere to fight the Chameleon before quickly disappearing again.
Meanwhile, the director of the movie, Mike Mitchell, wanted the movie to be more laughs and joke-y. He wanted Chameleon and Zhen to have ZERO backstory whatsoever, and by the time the crew convinced him that, you know, giving the main villain a backstory is kind of important, they were too late to do anything more than add in those few lines. Many crewmembers came up with ideas for Zhen's backstory, but they were all discarded. The film was made so short because they believed children couldn't watch a longer film, and also because they'd get more money.
Guess which of these two guys they decided to give full creative freedom.
I never really liked Mike Mitchell. This guy managed to destroy not one but two animated movie franchises. This and Lego Movie
If a fifth film does happen (and let’s be honest it probably will), DreamWorks would be wise to make her the sole director.
Wow, f*** that guy. Never have him in charged of an animated production again.
Just found out about her role and really wish she had been in charge of the whole film. There was a lot about this film that could've worked and I realize that this movie had so much potential
That is really really stupid. The fact that this guy thought making a joke movie is going to be great, tells you everything you need to know. Obviously you would be very serious when making a movie for a franchise like this. Can't believe this idiot ruined the movie.
Seriously this movie had so much potential. The second director here had a great idea, fans too duh! It's really sad that a trash director ruined a movie that could've been legendary
“Po’s greatest enemy” my ASS. Logically, it would be Shen since he has a major role in Po’s past. The Chameleon was half baked before she even came out of the oven
and tai lung is literally a wicked version of po duh, something like yin yang
technically most things are half baked before they come out of the oven…
Shen did not even get a damn word to say bruh.
@@ruchampsajaksra6172 Tai Lung is the dreamworks equivalent of Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader
all they had to do was have a chi resistant elephant army that uses technology attack the valley of peace. furious 5 distract leader and army, Po fights the leader. elephant army came across the sea, opening up more lore for other civilizations. po picks tiger as new dragon warrior
kfp4 feels like a watered down version of kfp2:
- we gotta go to juniper city vs gongmen city
- similar chase sequence escaping the villain’s henchmen
- villain is a traditionally weaker animal whose power arises from a replacement for kung fu (chameleon = sorcery, shen = technology)
GOOD OBSERVATION
chameleon = Stealing powers from Villains, Kai = Stealing Chi from evry Spiritual Master and every Master in China
There's even a hug scene from Zen to Po that echoes Tigress', with way less takes
And also, both villains have the same large-scale, kinda-harebrained, army (the lizards and the wolfs)
And even Shen, the literal bird, had kung fu.
I feel like the Chameleon’s powers perfectly represent the quality of this movie: it can imitate the appearance, but can’t replicate the technique
Damn,
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bro has a way with words
Straight fax
Jack Black singing "Baby One More Time" at the end credits was undoubtedly the best part of this movie. It was the only moment that brought a smile to my face.
Personally, I didn't like it. It's not because of Jack Black, it's just the choice of the song. A Britney Spears' cover? Really? Just because it has the word "hit" in it doesn't mean it makes sense for Kung Fu Panda.
The cover overall is disconnected to the image KFP end-credits. @@sandyr5407
I wonder what Britney would think of it.
Same my friends and I were rocking out to that song. Was the most joy we got out of the whole film ngl.
I haven’t watched the movie, but I’ve listened to that cover on repeat (on Spotify). It’s a genuine banger
Kung Fu Panda:Body.
Kung Fu Panda 2:Mind.
Kung Fu Panda 3:Spirit.
Kung Fu Panda 4:Scuttlebutt.
Intellect? I think?
@@BBPapercraftII Well,Probably.🤔
Kung Fu Panda 4:Fox
KFP 4: Smoke a packa day keeps the fans away
Kung Fu Panda 4: ...well, we gotta get more money for our actual good movies somehow-
the chameleon: i was rejected from every kung fu school bc of my size
the writer forgets mantis and viper exist.
She's not even that small compared to mantis, about the size of shifu I'd say
Maybe it's a regional thing. The Dragon Warrior isn't well known in the city, so the Furious Five might not be either. Those kung fu schools would likely have a different attitude toward small students if they knew more about Viper and Mantis.
or.. it's just bad writing.
"The Furious Five (also known as the Five) is a quintet of skilled kung fu warriors famed throughout all of China"
It *could* make sense if it was already established in a previous movie about the struggles that they and shifu went through to learn kung fu, but this was just so out of left field it made 0 sense 😂
Its like the writer just choose to ignore the established kung fu panda lore. Did they forgot to double check the script or something?
Lord Shen being right there, not even animated properly, and not saying a single word was probably the most disappointed I've ever been watching a movie.
Apparently, he, Kai, and even the Furious Five were very last minutes to the film that the animators barely had time to animate them correctly. Also might explain why none of them spoke.
@@maxpowers6738 Dreamsworks probably realized that they had to put more work into the movie after Puss in Boots was a huge success, because they didn't expect their movies to succeed that much.
A good change of hearts but it didn't work out for them unfortunately and they probably prioritize the Shrek saga and other movies more than Kung Fu Panda which is literally my most favorite with Shrek and how to tame your drago(Megamind also as stabdalone().
@@maxpowers6738 At that point, I would have preferred the filmmakers just left all those characters out. They didn't show any of them in the trailers, so they technically could get away with it.
@maxpowers6738 they could have saved time tho by not even animating Kai tho... since you know... his soul gets fucking obliterated at the end of the 3rd movie. Like not even just a physical death like Lord Shen but like his spirit gets overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the Dragon Warrior chi to the point where his soul explodes into spiritual fucking oblivion
@@maxpowers6738This, but the budget was intentionally much lower in comparison to the other KP films, likely owing to [one of] the reasons the budget was lower by such a margin.
Tai Lung: ravages a town in pursuit of a sense of purpose.
Lord Shen: Commits genocide in pursuit of power.
Kai: attempts to become a god because of revenge.
Chameleon: pushes a guy down the stairs because reasons.
Girlboss moment *slaaaaaay 💅💫*
She kicked him down the stairs as an elephant because he was just badmouthing her. 😂
C L O T H E S
It’s especially hilarious cuz my favorite video game’s main, terrifying conflict is driven by someone pushing someone down the stairs
You have to love how she doesn’t even have an actually unique name like the first three.
Imagine if Shen was just Albino Peacock, and that was what everyone called the genocidal maniac that served as the main villain for 2.
Dreamworks is the most unpredictable company out there. Like you know what Disney or Illumination movies are gonna be like but Dreamworks on Monday will make Puss and Boots The last Wish and on Tuesday they make Megamind and the doom syndicate.
Sony Pictures Animation, going from the Emoji Movie to Spider-Verse in one year: *hold my beer*
I mostly blame peacock
I don’t think Dreamworks the studio was involved in the creation of the Doom syndicate other than the dealing with IP kind of stuff and all. Granted, I’ve not yet looked into it, but I’m pretty damn sure the movie division would have no part in creation of a tie in film for a Peacock animated series. I can’t find myself getting annoyed at the existence of the “film” because of this (keep in mind, I haven’t seen it) as the only thing I can reasonably hate it for is having the capacity to diminish the quality of the IP and souring an otherwise brilliant film. Actually, scratch that, the real thing I can find myself getting angry at is how they sHOULD HAVE MADE A REAL SEQUEL and actually cater to the audience that loves Megamind already! Well, so long as they invested in talented artists. I’m sure they would have gotten a pretty good return if they actually remembered what marketing is.
@@kakao-katze Joel Crawford directing Megamind 2 would’ve been totally awesome
Chaotic neutral
Chameleon felt very villain-of-the-week, and Po kept calling it out too! Predicted Chameleon was in the doom fortress overlooking the city, recited Chameleon's plan to her face, etc.
Even felt like Po was going easy on her so Zhen would step up.
I felt like watching a kung fu panda cartoon episode. It wasn’t bad, but I definitely expected more from kung fu panda
@@gianniwu6564 reminds me of the way they would treat that one croc gang they always ran into in the show. they even became sort of friendly in the end.
If I were to describe the movie in one sentence it would be "The longest Kung Fu Panda Short"
Imma plagiarize that thank you
I don't really understand that, can you explain?
@@MindlessMagicNo
@MindlessMagic it means it feels less like a movie and more like a dvd special or an episode of one of the Kung Fu Panda spinoff TV shows
@@camoking3609 Oh I was thinking he was talking about the RUclips or TikTok Short. Yeah it feels like something I would watch on the Legends of Awesomeness show.
I feel like they did Lord Shen dirty, he felt out of character and didn’t do anything
Yeah pretty outta character for him to not say shit 😂
They did Tai Lung dirty as well. Bringing him back only to not have one single scene with his father.
Worst of all. Po’s Dad was in the same room as Shen. When we know damn well this man was on the verge of tears the last movie when he remembers how Shen took everything from him.
Shen was done dirty. Shen would never bow to Po even if he saved his life
@@jowoman7799 Yea its likes they included him and gave him some dialogue so people don't complain.
Despite shen’s genocide, I must say, the chameleon is by far the most evil KFP villain as she imposes taxes on juniper city
E
He tried to make me pay taxes…..
Understandable,
@@swyjix This is why I'm loyal to Mr. House, atleast his capitalism tells you how much you owe instead of making you calculate it.
@@Somirage143NEW VEGAS!!
So that's why they killed her
Tai Lungs backstory: I was meant to be the dragon warried but was denied the scroll
Shens backstory: I used fireworks to make weapons which scared my parents into calling a fortune teller, the teller told me I'd be defeated so I genocided the pandas to stop it from happening
Kais backstory: I wanted to harness all of chi to become stronger so my best friend stopped me which only drove my motivation to steal all the past warriors chi's
Chameleons backstory: They called me short :(
LMAOOOO
Tai Lung’s introduction: *Seen being the sole prisoner of a place in the middle of the mountains while also escaping said prison.*
Shen’s introduction: *Shows us the progress of his conquest of his city by having him make weapons with his army and killing one kung fu master and imprisoning the other two.*
Kai’s introduction: *Fights Master Oogway and wins while implying to us that he’s beaten all previous masters in the afterlife including the other two mentioned.*
Chameleon’s introduction: “I raised taxes and kicked someone down some stairs. FEAR ME!”
@@marcusgabriel8365 Chameleon's conflict of not being a kung fu master because she was short is ridiculous cuz of viper and mantis. Also the fact her horrific act is pushing someone down the stairs feels like the director had no clue as to how to develop her character.
Average woman moment
The fact that Tai Lung doesn't have a single scene with Shifu, especially getting a redemption, is absolutely ridiculous.
Fr, they made Tai Lung so sympathetic in the first movie that he nearly forgave Shifu and (even though logically he would’ve been sent to prison again) he could’ve rejoined Shifu and the Furious Five
If you’re gonna bring Tai Lung back at least give us some kind of closure
mfw you waste one of Dreamwork's best antagonists.
I love Shen's monstrosity, but Tai Lung has that "complex relationship with his mentor/father-figure" archetype I find very fascinating.
he was very out-of-character. his dialogue with Po was... bad. it did not at all feel like something Tai Lung would say, no matter how much his time in the spirit realm might've mellowed him out. we're probably lucky that Shen and Kai had no lines.
I feel like the villains should have been introduced from the beginning or in the first few minutes, so they had screen time and it didn't feel so rushed or cheap.
@@nimbostratus1162 Come to think of it, Tai Lung had out of character moments to some extent and as you say I think Shen and Kai were lucky not to have any lines, who knows what they would make him say.
I just wished Shifu and Tai Lung made amends at the very least. He could've tagged along with Po and talked things out with his old student.
I feel like the chameleon should have had the staff much earlier and then all the villains could have a big role, Shifu arriving with Po and the Furious 5 to support him in the final battle or something.
That's what I wanted. A talk between the two of them would've been so satisfying.
I would’ve liked a hesitant but necessary team up between Po and Tai-lung, but that’s just speculating on a different movie that coulda happened instead of this one
Yeah, they already decided they were going to make him good here, at least give him that.
That woulda been so good 😔
The thing that frustrates me the most is that Shen, Kai, and the Furious Five all have _no lines in the entire movie._ I’m betting it’s because they didn’t want to spend the money to cast the celebrities to voice act a few lines, but come on!
The film had a budget of 85 Million compared to the 150+M of the first three
I think Kai had one line but yeah.
Angelina Jolie, Seth Rogan and Jackie Chan were probably too much that they didn't wanna pay for.
Edit: sorry, I must have gotten the Actors mixed up.
@@leithaziz2716Scarlet?i guess its Angelina jolie
@@leithaziz2716Angelina Jolie and Lucy Liu instead of Scarlett Johansson, plus David Cross, but yeah, this. It’s weird given Dreamworks early legacy was all about having star power in their VAs. Not saying the VAs nowadays are slouches but really says a lot in how the times are changing.
The fact Kai was so desperate to get out the spirit realm in the third film only to WILLINGLY wander back in at the end of this one makes no sense
Yeah they gave the director way to much freedom. A art designer or something even left after a week because how it was going. Like bring back Jennifer yuh Nelson.
On top of this, he literally has no reason to be chill with Po like they all are at the end. Same goes for Chen, ESPECIALLY Chen. These 2 have no reason to be on Po's side at all 😂😂
Tai Lung is the only character I can believe being chill with Po
It's funny how a year ago after the release of The Last Wish, everyone was already claiming that Dreamworks has usurped Disney as the king of animation. Since then, Dreamworks has given us:
Teenage Kraken
Megamind 2 on Peacock
And now Kung Fu Panda 4
Dreamworks has their fair share of masterpieces, but I think the lesson learned here is to not be too invested in a movie industry, Disney included. Because at the end of the day, Dreamworks is no different than Disney, in terms of it's a multi-billion dollar industry whose main goal is to make money.
That’s called capitalism.
Dreamworks finally had the silver bullet, the golden opportunity, to achieve its mission: Defeat Disney Animation. And instead... Kung Fu Panda 4.
@@HotCoalsThey shot themselves with the silver bullet instead
Teenage Kraken wasn't that bad tbh
Hey they also gave us Orion and the dark (albeit it’s a Netflix only movie) and the trailer for the wild robot looks really good
6:15 "Kung-Fu Panda on autopilot" is crushing. What made the KFP movies great is the effort Dreamworks put into them. KFP1 could've been just a formulaic underdog sports movie, but it wasn't. KFP2 could've gone the "do the first one again, but uninspired" sequel route, but it didn't. Even KFP3 pushed the envelope visually and had some S-tier Mr. Ping moments. It sucks that, after all the great movies we've gotten, KFP4 finally became what we feared KFP1 would be.
Spit on. This is exactly what I would’ve expected a movie called “Kung Fu Panda” would be if the first 2 weren’t so good. Cheap, quirky humor, generic story, no interesting message to give.
How do you ruin a franchise this bad? how am i gonna watch kung-fu panda with respect or expect something crazy in the "next" movies?
Like i cannot believe whoever worked on this film had a single digit of respect for the previous 3 movies, i dare to watch all 4 films and tell me if they learned anything from this one
KFP until the third is very good, the third may have been average, but it still had philosophical and serious moments, few but they were still in it, it ends its story with Po defeating a great enemy and establishing himself as the dragon warrior, but this It doesn't work, it has nothing special and I fear that they will do it in a 5th and 6th installment, DW is beginning to massacre one of its most beloved sagas, unless they realize the criticism and straighten out the franchise.
@@bruschetta7711 It's an unnecessary fourth movie created by an animation company that prioritizes quantity over quality.
>Aquafina
>no furious five
Yeah I wonder why
I wonder wonder why
I don't wanna be mean but legit Aquafina has kinda become a sign that a movie will probably not be good
She's good but you know
Funny enough I think comedy isn’t actually her strong suit. She was good in The Farewell, but I find when she does comedy movies, she just isn’t funny
@@leeminhyung167even I'm starting to get tired of her, I thought okay with Shang-Chi, but now it's outta of hand.
@@leeminhyung167 legit same
I think she was good in that an Hollywood tried to jump at the chance an started putting her in everything
Like how they saw the rock and Kevin hart were good together so they made a bunch of stuff that got old fast
@@leeminhyung167so she's like Adam Sandler?
She’s in the Bad Guys which I quite liked
Poo fighting that sea creature at the beginning was more intense than his fight against chameleon. That's how bad the movie was
GENUINELY
The most honest review 😂😂
That straight up isn't true lol
Poo
I dont get the hate. I still enjoyed the movie.
I am going to give Kung Fu Panda the Toy Story treatment: one of the greatest animated trilogies with a fourth film we don’t talk about
Glad to see it’s not just me who hates Toy Story 4
Dreamworks made the same mistake as its rival, a fourth installment that stained the saga, the truth is I thought they would never continue the saga and if they did it could be from other characters like the furious 5.
Didn't Schaff actually rank Toy Story #10 in his Pixar rating-?
Eh, Toy Story 4 isn't nearly as bad ngl
Yup.
Worst thing in the 4th movie was that it ruined the message in the 3rd movie. In 3rd movie Shifu says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is, then in the end Po learns to become more than he is, than in 4th movie Shifu AGAIN says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is. It's like nothing was learned in 3rd movie.
For real! What was what?! A better lesson would've been accepting change and learning how to face it, whether it being good or bad. Po has to choose the new Dragon Warrior and start training them. He could be worried of choosing the wrong future Dragon Warrior, afraid of creating the next Tai Lung. And/Or worried of not fulfilling his next role as good as Master Oogway.
Yet, despite not wanting to leave his role as the Dragon Warrior, the role he's the most comfortable now, he still attempts to take the next step, despite how scared or uncertain he feels.
RIGHT, the lore gone sheeet.
No matter how much people put down the 3rd movie. The 4th movie just cannot disregard it like that.
@@meghanrodriguez2393And u know? IIRC correctly that's a storyline from the tv series, with Tai Lung's nephew, and it worked quite well
@@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059 Really? That's so cool! I guess I have to rewatch the Kung Fu Panda series lol
The fact that they couldn’t make Viola Davis (the same woman who played AMANDA FUCKING WALLER mind you) an intimidating/threatening presence, is insane
Exactly like wtf.
Yo SHE DID. Fuck I love Amanda Waller so much.
I read someone else’s comment that instead of her reason for turning to villainy, they should have made her have just really fragile bones like a real chameleon and therefore NEED to turn to magic. I also think they should have made her a villain that tests Po’s intelligence and strategic ability by making her politically and mentally really strong, something we have seen Viola Davis do in Amanda Waller. Also, I think she should have somehow stole Po’s staff, using Awkwafina’s character, because of how powerful it is, and mixed with her magic she could have resurrected the past villains and have them under her control with the promise of taking revenge on Po (but they wouldn’t be as powerful since she isn’t stupid and wouldn’t resurrect them at their most powerful so that any of them could beat her). Now, with the staff and the other previous villains under her control, she could convince the country that they don’t need the dragon warrior, or something to that effect. Awkwafina’s character would feel bad and turn over and help Po in trying to get the staff back. Then, in order to test his new sage knowledge, Po would have to convince each past villain to fight alongside him and even have moments of hearts to heart with them (especially Tai Lung), maybe even have a small training montage as they try to get back the power that the Chameleon took from them, then they all use their strengths in order to take down the Chameleon with the staff, this would end the story with Po seeing the past villains off as they return to the spirit world, put in a touching moment between Shifu and Tai Lung and I think that would have been interesting. Of course, this also isn’t perfect as I just made it up in like 5-10mins but tweaked and more fleshed out that would have been much better than what we got I think. We get to see the past villains, touching moments with Tai Lung, the Chameleon gets to become apart of the roster as a good villain who can stand with the rest, Po learns how to be more sage-like, and maybe awkwafina will be less annoying
Wow just realized how long this comment was lmao sorry y’all
@InevitableOption-ic2vx Agreed, these types of comments are pretty underrated imo, because of how bad our generation is, our attention spans been fucked, this comment really is one of the interesting ones I've seen.
Bro just wrote a better plot💀 honestly now that I'm not a teen anymore, I'm getting more disappointed by the day that legendary movies are of the past never to return 😢
@@NateDoesYT To be fair walls of text are hard to read when people don't use basic techniques like paragraphing.
@@cabuncopythey're not
Can confirm, it does exist
Don't translate...
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु……….
Got any proofs?
Yeah, it really does! I saw advertisements😱
Sad times,truly sad times
@@fantaguyrealthat report button looking real juicy
Every time you step on a flower, dream works ruins a beloved franchise
Get ready for that Shrek 5
they did not ruin it
KP wasn’t ruined tho. This was the weakest film but it also wasn’t a bad film. It will be ruined when the movie is straight up trash.
Except they didn't ruin anything
I’m sure this movie is fine but megamind 2 is worser
I thought he was already a master, now all of a sudden he's portrayed as a bumbling student again? Dreamworks just milking the franchise instead of being creative....
He isn't portrayed as a bumbling student
@@user-mz9xo3hx1h Previous movies ends with Shifu acknowledging Po as an equal and fully fledged master of kung fu who he himself has something to learn from. This movie begins with Shifu making Po's career decisions for him and treating him like a problematic student, with Po acting the part.
Shrek flashbacks. They always do that with any successful film they make
They really want us to believe that the chameleon is the most dangerous villain, her most evil action is pushing people through the stairs, meanwhile shen committed a whole genocide towards pandas 😂
Man, the previous antagonist (Kai) gets returned from dead and have ability to steal master's souls and then use them as he's henchmans, what they are trying to talking about?
Fr, if they really wanted her to be the most dangerous villain then they could have done a better job.
They could’ve made the movie so much more emotional or tense if they made Chameleon raid the Valley of Peace and injure civilians which would’ve directly hurt Po just as much as Shen because Po knew the people from the Valley while he barely knew his mother (I am not trying to downplay Po’s mother, her death is still the most sad death in the trilogy). However instead, they made her an all powerful being that just immediately loses, nothing else.
It's almost as another form of media has had a MC who has done the same action as the chameleon but was far executed in a more brilliant way.
@@matthewquach2705 Which one?
Convinced Awkwafina has some serious dirt on several film producers with how much work she's getting against our will
She did fine in The Bad Guys. She can actually be good if you give her the right script or stop typecasting her as the annoying comic relief. If anything you should be grateful that at least she’s not like James Corden.
@@hunterolaughlinI’m going to be controversial and say James Gordon’s voice was a lot more tolerable than hers
@@Birdyboys James Corden's voice is actually pretty relaxing, ngl.
@Birdyboys sometimes the controversial opinion is the correct opinion. I can't stand her voice.
@@hunterolaughlin
Yeah, people gotta stop acting like it's all her fault lmao. She's fine.
I do not understand the Awkwafina hate boner everyone has.
Kung Fu Panda 4 wasn't good, but I fail to understand how that's HER fault specifically.
The Last Wish set our hopes up too high. It feels like a lightning in a bottle situation for this studio.
Another thing that made people hype up Dreamworks way too much was that not only was PiB2 a masterpiece, but another really good movie in the Bad Guys came right before. This, combined with that year being absolutely abysmal for Disney, made people put the studio on a pedestal as the new animation god when nothing changed after that
Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas
Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas
It’s Dreamworks. They’re known for producing absolute bangers. They’re still doing better than Disney.
Thank u
I can't wait for Schaffrillas to tear into Megamind 2.
That will be fun
Mima
Wait, there's a Megamind 2?!?!
@@OJorEm Yes. It's Vs Doom Syndicate it's right on Peacock
@@maddie_sarver Oh so it's not a movie...
And omg rly 0% on Rotten Tomatoes -
"There's a scene late in this film that's just complete bullshit, and if you've seen the movie I think you'll know which one I'm talking about."
Do you understand how little that narrows it down.
I think schaff means Chameleon saying no one taught her because she was small
My guess it's the scene where tai lung acts nothing like how he did in the first movie. "It kinda misunderstand the films and its characters" perfectly describes the portrayal of tai lung as this agreeable and motivationless husk of himself that he was in kung fu panda 4.
Is it the one where all the villians bow to po, including shen who realistically would never bow to po due to all of the things that he did to po that would make him not realistically want to bow to po
My thing is, I wouldn't have minded them sidelining the Five as much if they had put more focus on Shifu. How crazy would it have been to have a scene where Shifu and Tai Lung reconcile? Imagine Tai Lung forgiving Shifu after seeing the work he's put into training Po - he didn't mess this one up. Third time's a charm, no?
Also, I wish they would have done more with how messed up the Chameleon's power is. Have her turn into Lord Shen to terrorize Li Shan. Have her fight Shifu as Tai Lung! I don't think it's so hard to imagine creative ways to make her even just a little more evil.
True, and I think they were on to something with her abusive connection with another character. I wish they would’ve delved a little deeper into those themes since they had potential for a good story. In a way it reminded me of Gothel from Tangled
chameleon could be the representation of fear, by being able to acquire the ability to pretend to be someone, as you say that she used the appearance of the three to cause fear, Po's father could have had some development similar to Po, by surpassing Shen or the memory of it and Shifu was able to accompany Po and have scenes with Tai Lung
Very true!! Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a good example of an evil shapeshifter character. They got sadistic pleasure from the reactions they got from turning into people’s loved ones.
@@cristalmagic8664like obviously they wouldn’t go THIS far but imagine their take on the chameleon as shen being akin to vibingleaf’s kung fu panda video where she keeps bringing up everything the real shen did to po and the rest of the pandas
I think it would have been cool if the main villain was the next dragon warrior, make it where the villain finally changed and gets redeemed, we saw shifu try to redeem Tai lung and fail, Po tried with shen, and Oogway tried with Kai, it’d be cinema to see it finally happen
The fact that Tai Lung, Shen, and Kai only showed up for about a minute in an hour and a half long movie says a lot.
What’s more is that given the ending of KFP3 General Kai shouldn’t be there because his spirt was obliterated by too much chi
Nostalgia bait?
Actually wait, I thought Kai died? I guess they changed their minds on that.
@@jordanyoung1437and Shen shouldn’t have gone there in the first place
I thought it was implied that not everyone was sent to the spirit realm, you have to have inner peace before you die, or get sent there directly from techniques like the finger hold
Shen died by getting crushed by a cannon, not having found peace in the slightest
It's entirely possible inner piece isn't needed? (Shen is a jade on Kai in the third movie, indicating He beat them both in the spirit realm as he hadn't yet escaped) However Kai showing up doesn't work because he was overloaded on a spiritual level. Unless the Chameleon can use concepts (and i..I'm pretty sure they can't) its just an oversight I assume.
I know it's a meme, but Po discovering crack could've made for a better film than the one we got
LMAO
Tbf I think Jack Blacks veins naturally produces his own brand of cocaine. I mean this as a compliment, Jack is very animated lol.
No fr. Like, get this:
When he first trained to become the Dragon Warrior, Po was forced to take a sacred oath in which he promised not to engage in any sort of drug-related behaviour. But one day, he accidentally has crack, thinking it's powdered sugar (because he definitely eats plain powdered sugar). And he loves it. Po is forced to deal with his addiction in secret, with the Furious Five and Shifu wondering why the hell he's always tripping. Eventually, he's caught by a citizen, and society shuns him when the news spreads. Po flees the city, ashamed and having lost all confidence in himself. He tries to off himself, but instead of dying, he loses consciousness and has a vision where he's back in the spirit realm. After a talk with Oogway (because we need our turtle words of wisdom) and POSSIBLY some of the other villains who have also engaged in crack-related mishaps, Po realizes that he has to return to the village, and that one mistake does not define who he is as a person. He wakes up, and with a new resolve sets off for home. Of course, not everyone is willing to accept him, but the Furious Five forgive him, with Monkey admitting that he also broke the drug oath on several occasions. And in the end, that's all the acceptance Po needed.
Cocaine Bear: Dreamworks Edition
After a lifetime of idolising heroes and kungfu, Po is finally where he's always wanted to be. The Dragon Warrior, the master of Kung Fu and hero of the valley.
But, as time goes on, and the reality from the past 4 movies set it, he finds his heart's just not in it anymore.
So anyways, the British arrive. Po and the Furious Five, along with the kung fu masters of China, fend off the British invasion (the British are like bulldogs, owls, and deer maybe).
When the British are forced back by the sheer power of Kung Fu, they realise that, in order to take China, they need to weaken their resolve.
Po, already subdued on Kung Fu, becomes disillusioned after the tragedies he's seen in the British/Chinese war. A clever fox (still played by Aquafina, why not?) offers Po something to take the edge off: Opium. The high he gets is great, the greatest thing he's felt in a long time. Slowly, he and much of the Valley of Peace, succumb to the numbing effects of this new drug.
When the British come back, they're met with far less resistance, and colonise China. To ensure their continued rule, they push the Opium onto the remaining sober kung fu warriros.
It isn't until Po meets with the spirit of Nancy Reagan that he learns to say no to drugs. He, along with Tigress and the drug dealing fox (who, again, is still Aquafina, and also learns that drugs are bad), convinces everyone to put down the Opium pipe and instead pick up a Bible. Then Po sca-dooshes the King of England, and China is saved.
I find it funny that the chameleon was a walmart Kai. She only took power from the dead , unlike Kai who stole from both the living and the dead. She didn’t even get to absorb oogway.
Yeah I feel you. But she lacks the charisma and threatening presence that Kai had
Sometimes I think Puss In Boots 2 was an anomaly for DreamWorks. Movies like this only serve to reinforce that notion.
Well part of that was because it went through development hell and took a decade to make. So that definitely affected *a lot*.
"PIB2’s success was most likely due to Bob Persichetti, the original director of The Last Wish, the guy who came up with the plot and the hook along with Guillermo Del Toro (Puss on his last life). The reason why they have stepped animation is because Bob brought that influence from his time working on Into the Spider-Verse. It was not Joel Crawford. Bob was also the one who conceived the Wolf/Death character. But DreamWorks let Bob go because they thought his vision was too dark (they thought Wolf was too scary, a terrible villain). The story was basically complete when the new directors took over The Last Wish. The heart was already there because of Bob, the new directors just added more comedy on top of it. But yeah basically, the current DreamWorks execs don’t know what they’re doing. They lucked out with Bob but let him go because they didn’t understand the talent they had in him. Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken, Trolls 3( Orion and the Dark, KFP4… that’s all Margie Cohn and Kristin Lowe. You can see how their sensibilities have affected all of the movies they’ve approved. If KFP4 is a bad movie, it’s on Mike Mitchell; the writers, and these execs."
I adore The last wish, but I can't lie, I think one of the reasons it's so beloved is because nobody expected it to be good. Look me in the (metaphorical) eye and tell me that when watching the trailer, you weren't thinking "At least the animation will be good".
@@test-ti1xjWhere is this quoted from?
No solo para Dreamworks para Hollywood
The thing is, the story could have been really good and it would have been an easy fix:
1.) Have the Chameleon resurrect Tai Lung and steal his kung fu but have Tai Lung escape from her fortress.
2.) Po finds Tai Lung powerless in the world and realizes that he is the only one who can show him where the Chameleon is hiding and how to get into her fortress, since he just escaped from there. Also, Tai Lung would realize that Po is the only one powerful enough to defeat the Chameleon and restore his kung fu, so the two of them form a temporary and reluctant alliance. At least, it would be reluctant on Tai Lung's part.
3.) As the two go on their adventure throughout the movie, Po and Tail Lung start to bond and learn more about each other. Po learns how Tai Lung never believed in himself and is actually insecure. He believes that if he is anything not the Dragon Warrior, himself, then he is not enough. Since this was Po's character arc in the first movie, Po would understand this insecurity more than anyone and would help Tai Lung to accept himself and obtain inner peace. This would also tie into Po's journey as a spiritual leader.
4.) As Tail Lung is without his kung fu, the thing that he thought gave any kind of value, he would be forced to grow and find ways that he can help Po without violence and force. For instance, Tai Lung is charismatic and cunning, he could help Po think their way through certain situations and maybe pursuad the criminals in the movie to join their team. This would further help Tai Lung to value himself and see himself as something more then just a weapon.
5.) Tai Lung gets his kung fu back during the final battle with the Chameleon and he fights alongside Po and we would see in their fighting styles that, while Po and Tai Lung are essential opposites of each other, they are also compliments to each other. Tai Lung is the Yin to Po's Yang.
6.) After the Chameleon is defeated, Tai Lung finally accepts himself and realizes that he has no reason to stay in the mortal realm and returns to spirit realm, with the Chameleon in tow. Before parting ways, Tai Lung shows respect to Po and thanks him, much like the actual movie.
Case and point: if they replaced Zhen with Tai Lung this would have been a better movie.
you just came up with a better story in a few minutes than most of hollywood today could come up with
WHY are we treated to such sub standard stories when literally ANYBODY can come up with an amazing one? 😭
How'd you come up with a way better KFP4 story that fast?
You perfectly portrayed Po not as the student but the teacher, acknowledging the past 3 movies very nicely while giving Tai Lung a redemption arc. And also making Chameleon and actual villian. I give it a 100/10!
Masterpiece!
Imagine if the Chameleon did all this cool power stealing stuff super early on, in a montage, and the last target, Tai Lung, does get his power stolen but in doing so manages to escape back to the mortal realm. And much like the bird from the original movie kicks the heroes into action, this time Tai Lung is the one to bring the warning. That would give them much more time to work on the character dynamics and pay off the first movie in major new ways
I would have had the opening be the Chameleon fighting and defeating the Furious Five and Shifu to establish her as a threatening villain, give Po motivation and explain why the Five are absent. Then you have Po being forced to turn to the only ally left to help him, a redeemed Tai Lung (who has been changed by his years spent reflecting in the spirit realm) with the two of them teaming up on an adventure to stop the Chameleon. Then at the end of the movie you have Po pass the title of Dragon Warrior to Tai Lung, not because he has to but because he wants to as he feels Tai Lung has finally earned that title through his actions. A perfect passing of the torch and a fitting end to Tai Lung's character arc.
@@spongemaster wait this actually sounds sick
I like how these two random people (who I will assume do not have a professional mind in story crafting and movie making) made better decisions for a story then the actual director
@@spongemaster Bro that would've been awesome
@@Kewins_ While I am not published, I am a relatively prolific hobby writer working to create my own jrpg
“Po’s greatest enemy” … Are we forgetting that Shen committed not only mass genocide, leaving Po to be one of the few remaining survivors of his race AND Shen was the central point of Po’s past trauma, who, may I mind you, attempted to kill Po a multitude of times in one film: once as an infant, second time at their 1v1 in the factory, third time at the final battle, and fourth on the mutilated ship which caused Shen’s demise.
this movie is good for one reason: jack black singing brittany spears
Brittany Spears automatically makes any production a 10/10.
That’s how my theatre team copes with our loss
@@Duckless137 Errr
hanz zimmer soundtrack amazing too...
@@mcrain1283 it's always the soundtracks that prevail 😮💨
Fr that cover went insanely hard
The Kung Fu Panda trilogy was fucking perfection. However the moment I heard that fart joke in the trailer i just KNEW the fourth one would not live up to the past three.
Same that felt so out of place for the Kung Fu Panda Movies. Like what people expect from a movie about Jack Black voicing a fat panda learning martial arts rather than what Kung Fu Panda is.
Stop saying that the 3rd one was perfect. It was pretty much the weakest out of the 3 films. This one seems to be better than the 3rd
@@martinaguiluz4063 The third one isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and it was absolutely the weakest of the three, but it's still substantially stronger than the fourth, at least in my opinion. I think that the villains illustrate how good each of the films were pretty well; Tai Lung is amazing (in quality of action, in backstory, in threat posed), Shen is equally if not more amazing, Kai falls far below the other two when it comes to writing, especially since I don't think he has a strong enough connection to any of the main characters unlike Tai Lung and Shen, but his action and threatening-ness still hold up, plus his design is just great. The chameleon just isn't the same level of threatening, cool, or well written in my opinion. Sorry for the rant.
Tldr: Shen is love, Shen is life.
This film had so many production issues that its a miracle that this film exists at all.
A miracle I would've rather not happened
@@aff77141What would’ve been a miracle is if the movie came out actually great despite the issues.
This should have been released, KFP 3 was finale
Remember how Kung Fu Panda 2 began with the villain committing genocide then killing someone point-blank with a cannon? Well, the Chameleon pushed a guy down some stairs. Now his arm's broken. That's just demented.
*IN THAT YEAR:*
"There's no Easter Bunny,there's no Tooth Fairy...and there's no unnecessary sequels to classic and acclaimed Dreamworks franchises."
•Tighten.
What? No “There is no Queen of England”? It’s technically true now that the Queen passed away 2 years ago.
@@hunterolaughlinr/whoosh
Ironic, how the line from Megamind paraphrased, the classic Dreamworks animation, says a lot about current Dreamworks work.
Ironic that you quoted a line from a movie that just got torn to shreds with its sequel
So i watched all three kung fu movies to refresh myself before seeing the new movie. In the first movie, Oogways staff is broken by Tai Lung. Second and third movie? The staff has a golden band to seal it and keep it together. You could even take that as a metaphor for oneself, that youre never truly broken and you can heal even stronger than before.
The band is completely gone in this 4th movie. It does not exist, and the staff is completely smooth. And I think that says a lot about the movie's attention to detail and the growth of the characters compared to the previous installments.
Someone asked the co-director of the movie, Stephanie Stein, about that actually, and she said "I think because our production designer Paul Duncan pitched the idea that when he mastered chi, he was able to fix the staff. But don’t quote me on this one. He was passionate about every single little detail." I think it would've been a lot more better if they actually showed that.
I kind of wish instead of the fox girl it was a forced team up between Tai Lung and Po, no joke it would’ve been a great way to tie back to the first film and give us an actual interesting dynamic between our two leads.
Tai lung and po movie sounds like a better story
pLEASE. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER.
Let him cook
A buddy comedy between those two would've been awesome
Oh... now I am even more sad and disappointed we didn't get that and instead got what we got... sometimes I wish that creative teams work with fans more because when a franchise gets big enough, there's a lot of fans out there that have some really cool ideas.
This film fails in so many ways, but Aquafina is getting the Chris Pratt paradox, where the more successful an actor you are and the more gigs you get, the worse of an actor you are in being able to convince the audience of your voice belonging to a character
So there’s been some new bts info that was just released and it reveals quite a lot why this movie feels so half assed
- KFP4 early on was considered to be a live action-animation hybrid, one of the early versions of the movie had Po stuck in a BOX for 20 minutes
- Mike Mitchell had total creative control over the movie and treated co-director Stephanie Ma Stine like a nobody
- Mitchell insisted on not giving the Chameleon and Zhen any backstory in earlier versions of the movie, and when the studio pushed him they were too far into production to add anything but the Chameleon’s few lines
- The film’s runtime was a mandate by the studio because they felt children couldn’t watch anything that was too long
- Shen, Kai, and the Furious 5 were very last minute additions to the point their animation rigs were “made of sticks and glue” which is why they have zero plot relevance and couldn’t even get the voice actors back
- Stephanie wanted KFP4 to stay truer to the first 2 films but was dismissed as a “nobody” by the crew
- Po and Shifu were supposed to have a vision of the Chameleon kidnapping Shifu which gave a reason for Po to try to stop her, he gets kidnapped anyway due to the Chameleon’s manipulation, and there were supposed to be scenes where Shifu and Tai Lung met, the execs loved it but “someone axed it”
- Stephanie fought for Zhen to be redeemed ONSCREEN after betraying Po
- The writers seemed to hate any comments “poking holes at the story”
- Many crew members pitched for Zhen’s family’s backstory but all were discarded
So yeah all of this info seems to explain why this movie is so frustrating with how the final product turned out, there’s much more info but these are just the highlights
Seems like the company was REALLY trying to make Zhen a thing, just like Nora Lum, no I'm not using that stupid name she calls herself. I thought this was Kung Fu PANDA, not Sassy DEI fox chick.
also okay side note:
because it was beginning production during the Writer's strike, the animators had to pick up the slack towards the end. There was a whole kerfuffle about "storytelling through action" and it really hinders more than it helps too, which double-sucks on the angle of a lack of cohesive or decent story too.
Bro I feel like if they actually would have listened to Stephanie the movie would have been WAAAAAY better I mean it's not bad but it's not the same level With the trilogy and now we're gonna need to Establish lore for Zhen in the 2ND movie rather than getting it out the way we have to wait for a plot that now may be a bit predictable if they actually decide to tell zhens backstory so now its going to feel like instead of a new adventure its just a new adventure that followd the old patterns of the first movie random picked dragon warriors 2nd backstory 3rd masters enemy which kind of doesn't sound like the 3rd makes sense but still
It sucks that we didn't get that version of Kung Fu Panda 4 with Shifu getting kidnapped by the Chameleon and the tone of the first two installments, except the live-action/animation hybrid one.
@@bulatao195 ik
kung fu panda 1 was the physical battle
kung fu panda 2 was the psychological battle
kung fu panda 3 was the spiritual battle
kung fu panda 4 was nothing. It was such a perfect trilogy
I'd hardly call it "perfect" with how dumbed down and underwhelming 3 was, but it was great.
@@100organicfreshmemes5I’m glad I’m not the only one that didn’t care for 3. It’s not a bad movie of course, but the others felt stronger in terms of narrative and character growth.
It underwent the classic trilogy tragectory: perfect first movie, masterpiece second movie, and the underwelming conclusion.
@@100organicfreshmemes5 almost perfect but 3 is not that bad, but it leaves a good note at the end and concludes the saga, however this one feels bad
Eh perfect duology with a mediocre sequel to make a great trilogy rather.
I was perfectly fine with that, now if we take it all combined it makes for an average quadrulogy of movies which is...just so sad.
Dreamworks works like a dream. Most times you have shitty dreams that absolutely make no sense, then there's that one dream with the most well-written storylines, good plot, and it makes so much sense and has deep meaning. Gotta love dreamworks.
Nah its reversed, DreamWorks has really good movies in past same as puss in boots but.....nah this year they made one of the worst movies ever
Tbh I found it very funny when the Chameleon was just like “SUMMON THIS GUY, (slurps yellow light thingy) SUMMON THIS GUY TOO,” like dude it just felt so hilarious seeing literally everyone fall to kirby ripoff 💀💀
Don't disrespect the canonically most powerful being in all of gaming like that.
@@batmanbud2 i didnt disrespect kirby i was disrespecting chameleon lmao
Imo it's more like Strange Supreme in the Marvel WHAT IF series, he literally summons otherworldly beings to absorb their power
KFP4 feels like Toy Story 4.
Both are films that are sequels to trilogies that had a conclusive ending and didn't really need more.
Tbf Katzenberg has stated this is basically step 1 in a new trilogy thats probably going to focus on Po giving up the mantle of Dragon Warrior and the Awkwafina fox going through similar adventures as Po and learning similar or different concepts
Though this will probably depend on its box office returns
Toy Story 4 is still a good movie.
@@Indeeeeno
@@Indeeee I mean… Toy Story 4 is the weakest in the franchise
YES
In the new film, Po's father (the panda) is in the same place in the finally and clearly sees Lord Shen.
Not a single word is spoken about that. SUCH WASTED POTENTIAL.
Honestly they just about nerfed Li (that's his name) worse than in the third movie. In KFP2 we were shown how he fucking pummeled wolves into the ground with his hammer. In KFP3 it's like, okay, he's old, he doesn't like fighting anymore. But in this one he's straight up a pussy. All he did was act like an old married couple with Mr. Ping (the goose) while going on a pointless adventure to "help" Po.
@@Poty3108also Po was teaching both of them king fu at the end of the third movie, but here it’s like they’ve never fought in their life
That could've been an amazing interacting right there . . .
I KNOW like literally I really wanted to see them interacting! Shen destroyed Li Shan's village and family and I Wish so bad that this was a thing instead of what we got
"it makes the universe a lot smaller" damn thats a quote that applies to sequels of some of my favorite franchises
Fr. I take such issue with Juniper city as a concept, because po WENT to a CITY, IN THE SECOND MOVIE! AND IT WAS SUPER FAR AWAY. I know China's a big place especially on foot, but it's like. Was the best you could do THAT? It's so basic, even the criminal underground has zero flavor, which is DIFFICULT to do
My wife and I went to see this and thought this movie actually had great potential. She had a fantastic idea that only seemed better after discussing it at length. Make Tai Lung the main supporting character.
If they were going to bring Tai Lung back, this movie should've been a Po and Tai Lung adventure. Dying and chilling in the spirit world would've been a good catalyst for the start of his character arc. It could've led to some really fun dynamic between the two because of their personalities. Like you know Tai Lung would definitely make a quip about Po killing him.
But more interestingly, we couldve seen Shifu and Tai Lung meet again! Like seriously think about the emotional gut punch a scene like that could've been. Kung Fu Panda is very comedic, but they always have at leasg one really powerful emotional scene, which this movie honestly lacked. Tai Lung and Shifu reconnecting would've been that scene.
Also it would've been really poetic if Tai Lung was chosen to be the next dragon warrior. It'd be coming full circle and in my opinion really narratively satisfying. It'd be Po fulfilling his job as a new spiritual leader to help Tai Lung fulfill his spiritual journey and finally become qualified to be dragon warrior. Because honestly that's what Tai Lung lacked. He had all the skill to become the dragon warrior, but he didn't have the right mindset for it. He learned the secret of the dragon scroll in the first movie, and literally threw it away. Working to achieve that spiritual peace of mind and acceptance would've been a fantastic redemption arc for Tai Lung.
I know, right?
Tai lung got robbed
One thing I’ll genuinely give the movie credit for is the scene where Shifu passes Oogway’s peach tree metaphor on to Po-that was honestly a really nice touch.
related to that of Shifu & Oogway, the final scene with Shifu meditating & the scene zooms out to reveal the growing peach tree from the first movie? actual bliss.
Honestly dreamworks should’ve put the budget they had for this movie into an actual theatrical megamind sequel
Everywhere I go
I see his face
thing is a megamind sequel shouldnt exist at all, first movie ended just fine and don't need a follow up
@@luigiwiiUU I highly recommend watching the Buttom of Doom short. It's all you need from a Megamind sequel.
@@leithaziz2716IS IT GOOD?? I remember almost buying it at a yard sale YEARS ago and I haven't seen it since, I always wonder if I made a mistake not getting the dvd
@@n1conicokneecaps It's on youtube. First thing that pops up when you search it. Even has the original actors from the movie.
I love how everyone claimed Puss In Boots 2 was the beginning of some sort of DreamWorks renaissance, when I'd argue the opposite happened. They put out ONE movie that blew everyone away TWO YEARS AGO, and everything after has received either mixed or negative reception.
The bad guys was amazing too, you should check it out. But yeah they dropped puss in boots and decided to never learn anything from it for it’s future movies
@straivalist8281 I really should check Bad Guys out! I'd also argue the "DreamWorks renaissance" claims really stopped in June of 2023, when Ruby Gillman was released. Everyone was hyping it up because of Last Wish and the fact that it appeared (I need to emphasize APPEARED) to be making fun of the 2023 Little Mermaid remake. But then the movie came out and didn't get great reviews, and everyone realized they got their hopes up too high. It's honestly kinda funny how for, like, the past five DreamWorks projects, everyone's said "How did we go from Puss In Boots 2 to...this?!"
1 year actually. It came out end of 2022 somewhere in December 2022
@@Simbala-bq5vy Ah, yes. Two years if we're going numerically, but actually more like a year and three months.
Atleast the robot movie coming out looks cool
My dad, a BIG Kung Fu Panda person, walked out of the theater going "Eh it was alright". Kinda sad to see
They did the previous villains so dirty. You can't market their return as the main selling point, then keep them locked in cages the whole time. Tai Lung should've had some sort of intense reunion with Shifu. Shen and Kai don't even say or do anything. And the Chameleon is still the weakest villain here. I will say though, I have a whole new appreciation for the third film.
imo kfp3 is a 9/10 and its till the weakest the trilogy was perfect and now its even more perfect
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Classic nostalgia bait.
I was skeptical about the fact that they were all coming back at all. The only one to make logical sense is Tai Lung, as the others are either not kung fu masters, or literally ceased to exist within the afterlife itself.
Maybe they could’ve had Kai, Shen and Tai Lung break free and help Po beat the new villain at the end
We could've had a Shifu and Tai Lung reunion ngl. If they want to redeem Tai Lung, they didn't need to do it in such a half assed way.
I walked out of the theater slumped over with my face scraping across the floor
Same, bruh, when I left the theater, I wondered "and this is what we've been waiting for for 8 years"
@@alexmac8246I haven't even watched the movie yet, and the way you described the experience afterwoods I was like *"I ain't goin back!"*
When Schaff's Kung Fu Panda 4 got more marketing than the movie itself.
To be fair, I did see a lot of billboards and ads for the film all over my city.
I didn’t even know it existed until now
I think they should maybe do a time skip where Po is older and maybe more experienced... And so he can actually give advice. As explanation they should add like a intro of what Po experienced in the time skip.
Yeah, like with Oogway's adventures with his buddy Kai in KFP3! And Po could've mastered some of the mind-blowing kung fu that Oogway possessed, like when Oogway stopped Tai Lung leaping for the Dragon Scroll, or when he fought General Kai in the Spirit Realm. There was so much potential in this franchise for another outstanding chapter in the story, but they blew it. Massive disappointment.
The whole 30 second scene of the “who you choose to be” in kung fu panda 2 where they show Po’s progress is a million times more emotional and impactful than the whole of part 4 😢
Tai Lung: Betrayal & Destruction
Lord Shen: Massacre & Weaponization
Kai: Stealing Chi & Conquering
The Chameleon: Pushing someone down the stairs
omori fans:
@@sillyfegart5455lmao
4:58 THANKYOU!
I thought I was the only one who felt this way.
Since when was the Dragon Warrior a basic mantle to pass on?
Pretty sure there is only one.
Po was the Dragon warrion for maybe a couple years before Shifu kinda forced him to give up his role. Like he just got started☠️
One thing I noticed that really made this movie really just feel underwhelming was the opening scene. In the first movie, we got the 2D animated dream sequence. In the second movie, we had the artstyle mimicking the paper puppets. The third movie had a cool battle scene in the Spirit Realm where we get introduced to Chi. But this movie just started off with some Rams saying "Hey" to one another. It definitely didn't start with as big of an impact as the other three did, and I wish they did do something with the start.
the animation somehow looks more stiff than the first movie yet the visuals look better. it's so weird
Better technology but less polish
The color usage is really generic and boring, compared to the beautiful contrasts in 2nd and 3rd film. It doesn't feel like a King Fu Panda film at times.
Half the budget of the first 3 movies
ikr? I felt like the expressions were kinda lacking. just a bit but still. it's a shame the budget was so small bc it rlly showed in some areas
They have a mid budget this time
2:50 “As a young aspiring kung fu student, the Chameleon was ridiculed for her size and rejected from multiple schools.”
Thats it.
Thats the motivation.
Yeah. So generic and corny. And I'd be fine with that if she was at least scary, but nope.
But... Mantis and Viper exist..? They really completely forgot that those characters exist?
@@vexaris1890it would be so interesting if chameleon actually met them
Meanwhile: a literal Mantis named Mantis
AM I the only one who thought this was going to be a Hitler reference?
All of that kung fu stealing just to get two shotted by a panda 💀
I thought they were gonna do a "less than the sum of its parts" kinda thing where chameleon's kung fu becomes weak because she tries to use contradictory techniques together, or she tries to physically emulate all the different masters and therefore fails (she can't be both light and nimble *and* strong and heavy etc.)... but no. she just gets defeated by awkwafina. awkwafina is stronger than all the kung fu masters combined i guess.
*Kung Fu Panda:A Body-Powerful Begin.*
*Kung Fu Panda 2:A Mind-Brilliant Sequel.*
*Kung Fu Panda 3:A Heart-Spirited Threequel.*
Kung Fu Panda 4:Something that exists.
When I tell you my heart sank into my chest in the theater as I realized what kind of movie this would be... so much wasted potential
One thing that rubbed me wrong was the premise of Poe passing the torch. Like he’s still so young why is this even a premise yet? He’s only been the dragon warrior a few years at this point.
That's what I thought. Like, shouldn't this wait until he's at least . . . I don't know, grandfather age?
I suppose the argument could be that all this happened as a result of Oogway giving Po his staff, not because Po was aging. The staff jump-started the whole thing.
If this movie was set like, 50 or even 20 years into the future, I could buy that premise.
But this is like, very short after the 3rd movie events so...what were they trying to go with this?
It’d be way better if they set it up where the main villain would be the dragon warrior, to me that’d make it way more about a story of redemption and seeing the best in people
@partystarter8041 I thought that's where they would go with it based off the trailer. But instead we got crap xD
@@partystarter8041 Honestly having the Chameleon be the next dragon warrior would've been interesting, because none of the previous villains have been redeemed and the Chameleon really hadn't done anything too bad prior to the events of the film from what I remember
From what I've learned(haven't watched the movie), the Chameleon is a lackluster villain compared to the other three KFP villains who could easily have been so much better.
I would've made her similar to Mother Gothel in terms of her relationship with Zhen, as well as expanded on her insecurities. She thinks people look down on her for being small and seeks to right this perceived error by taking all the Kung Fu for herself. The reason why she changes into other masters is because she loathes her self, only seeing value in herself if she can do what everyone else can.
She sees herself in Zhen, a relatively small thief who isn't really like by anybody else and even somewhat hated, and as such holds some genuine affection for her. It's why she took her in as an apprentice in the first place. However, she is more concerned with forcing her worldview on Zhen than actualy raising her, which is why Zhen has issues with trust and forming bonds. It could have served as a great plotpoint where Zhen was torn between following in her master's footsteps or taking the leap and attempt to become more than she was.
Feel free to ignore my ramblings, though.
YES, I love the idea of a manipulative, motherly figure. They could've done so much with her relationship with Zhen.
I wish so badly instead of a 4th kung fu panda, we got a prequel focusing on the furious 5. I know there's a series about them but I just would've loved to see more of them in movie form, especially tigress
Fr, hopefully people being displeased with the lack of Furious Five in this movie will prompt them to actually give them more screen time and development. They haven't done much since the second movie.
I'm begging them not to give this series the Ice Age treatment.
I'm Sorry to be that guy but i think they Will...
@@GreenKnight07 I mean they did plan 6 from the start
Ironically, it'll have more lol
@@Mordecoolio76 unless you count the dumb Buck Wild movie
@@BBPapercraftII I didn't even know that was a film. I'm gonna assume it ain't good.
Hot Take: KP4's story is good as a barebones concept but with atrocious execution. I definitely agree with the kungfu stealing power being weightless. Personally, I'd reimagine her powers to be more so similar as a blend between the Chameleon and Taskmaster from the Spiderman comics. She doesn't literally steal someone's kungfu as she perfectly imitates it, just like how a chameleon would.
They could also make a more interesting plot by playing up the Trickster aspect. Maybe, idk, hear me out, making Zhen and the Chameleon one in the same. Zhen is a fake persona made by the big bad so she could more easily study Po's moves and defeat him. By building a student-master relation with the dragon warrior, she can learn his habits, his technique, and completely mimic his character. Which would lead to my last change, changing Chameleon's entire characer motivation into **REPLACING** Po as the dragon warrior. She has the cunning of Shen, the motivation of Tai Lung, and the supernatural-like powers similar to Kai (her abilities I would retool as a chi lock rather than a chi steal, so it doesn't plagiarize too much off Kai's moveset)
As a chameleon, all she could be is a mimic, living in the shadows, but as the dragon warrior, she could finally get the reverence and respect she deserves. The reason Zhen informed Po of the Chameleon was not to defeat her, but to make him go on a fake Hero's Journey and walk him to his own death, then taking his place with no one the wiser. Not Shi Fu, not The Five, NO ONE!!! Idk, for me that's how I'd salvage the movie's story but to fit all this in, it'd probably have to be at least almost 2 hours long. Probably would work better as an animated series arc than a movie plotline.
TL:DR, this could've been great if it was retooled a bit and extended into a 3-5 episode arc in a KP animated series
This sounds like a pretty cool rewrite to be honest. I think it would work as a 1-2 part movie, with this being an Empire Strikes Back kind of film, where we end on Po being dethroned as the dragon warrior by Zhen, reuniting with Tai Lung, and the next film could've carried the theme of this one (change) forward by pushing Po to realize he can't always be the dragon warrior and he needs to be wiser.
The idea of him becoming a spiritual leader could've been sold so much more effectively by his test of character coming from redeeming someone else (Tai Lung) and bringing him back to become the next dragon warrior. You could write it as Tai helping Po reclaim the title, but Po pulling a reversi. And that would be really cool because I do think Tai and Po have great chemistry as characters.
I don't particularly get why people disliked Zhen so much, but I agree she could've been better.
@@pax6833 I agree. A two parter would be so awesome(ness). I'm a sucker for stories that take their heroes to rock bottom before making them rise higher than ever before. Also, making Po team up with Tai Lung could also finally give him the redemption arc he never got with Shifu. I'd also probably retool her spirit realm abilities into some kind of chi lock. Unlike Kai who steals chi, she can only lock the flow of chi throughout your body, making you weak and ultimately unable to use Kung Fu. Also, I'd really love to see how Po would convince everyone he once knew that they're being played. A kungfuless Po walking into the Jade palace outta nowhere with Tai Lung alongside him, trying to convince everyone the perfect imitation of Po standing beside them isn't real. Just imagining it makes me sad this movie exists.
The comment that you made about Mantis and Viper was literally the first thought that popped into my head when I saw that part. I was like, "Really, they didn't think of that?"
Literally same. Like they turn down the Chameleon but not the god damn Mantis??? They must have forgot he existed since he wasn't in the movie the entire time until the end credits.
kung fu panda can no longer be called a perfect trilogy because of this movie existing and im fucking pissed
Just pretend that this movie doesn't exist.
Thanks for saying it! I'm f*****g p****d too!! What a crashing disappointment.
The third one was ass too, it was never a perfect trilogy. Should've stopped at 2
@@whiskeywolfgang"not amazing" and "it was ass" are 2 different things. Almost everyone will agree that the 3rd one was the weakest but still a good movie and a necessary closure.
@@whiskeywolfgang The third one was good though
"Who filled my head with dreams? Who drove me to train until i was like bomp bomp, chicka womp womp?"
STOP 😭
Honestly, I love Kung Fu Panda 2 more than the first since it felt the most like a story of growth and defeating the biggest threat to PO. Which is why it disappointed me when the only one who talks to Po is Tailung. It's like, while it's nice hearing and seeing him again, what would be better is if Shen, the one with more impact to Po's life could talk to him and say something similar to what Tailung said. I know he has the least amount of knowledge about Oogway between the three past villains so even Kai saying Po was worthy would take the spotlight off just Tailung. Maybe a good final act would be Po finally thinking of a good inspirational quote and talk no jutsuing his past adversaries into skadooshing themselves and sending themselves to the spirit world, sapping that power from the chameleon. It would be powerful since it would be thier first selfless act (except Shen letting the fortune teller free was his first but whatever) making the whole "Po is the new Oogway proving insight" storyline actually mean something.
Idk man shen committed genocide against his species i don't really wanna see them talk i feel like that crosses the line/lh
@@babyblouie The point of the second movie was that he moved on from that and he even tried to talk Shen down after blowing up his boat but even if they didn't talk, the whole "convince them to skadoosh themselves like po did in KFP 3" is still on the table.
Kung Fu Panda 1: Bad @ss cape
Kung Fu Panda 2: Cool as Fvck hat
Kung Fu Panda 3: A hat on a hat
Kung Fu Panda 4: A hat on a hat on a hat.
If you are writing for this series, there isn’t much more to add other than if maybe you focused on other characters or tweaked the setting. Even then, there’s a whole animated series and such so there really is NO REASON to add more to this series.
I hate how your including the third movie to the same the degree as the fourth when it was only a little bit worse than the first 2 films
Nah man, don't put KFP 3 in the same category as the fourth, KFP 3 is a cool ass pair of glasses.
A well made universe can always be expanded upon. Just because kung fu panda 4 didn't do a great job at that doesn't mean there is nothing to be added.
I like the idea of this being a second trilogy of Po being a master, but I hate the idea of this second trilogy being about Awkwafina's character.
actually the 3rd one added a staff
I love how succesful you are yet it still sounds like youre recording in your room with a modest setup making videos with less than 1k subs
It's sad that they didn't create some great character interactions with the brought back characters.
Like Po and tai lung or shen and Po's dad.
A conversation or interaction between any of them would be amazing.
The best part of the movie it's when Po look at the camera just at the End of it and says: "I am the Kung Fu Panda 4". Or something like that idk
I mean… he actually said that himself is “Kung Fu Panda” (at least in Thai dub I saw in theater).
@@ShouTenDenShiihe said that in my theatre too
*If i ain't wrong, i remember it was when nobody in Juniper recognized him as the dragon warrior so he goes-*
'Or, you might know me better as the Kung Fu Panda'
Kung Fu Panda villain : Tai Lung has past tied to Shifu
Kung Fu Panda 2 villain : lord Shen has past tied to Po
Kung Fu Panda 3 villain : Kai has past tied to Oogway
Kung Fu Panda 4 villain : Chameleon "should has past with tigress or another furious five" but nope. It's just there. Also stealing chi just like Kai
Technically, Chameleon has past tied to Zhen, who's also a new character
@@carlososoriohernandez3979 We don't care about her.
@@carlososoriohernandez3979 Who cares about her? she thinks she's invited
Tai lung: mass murders 1000 guards
Shen: commits genocide
Kai: enslaves every kungfu masters
Chameleon: pushes someone down the stairs