The Battle for the $5.3B Chicago Red Line Extension

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  • Опубликовано: 31 дек 2024

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  • @logy7
    @logy7 3 месяца назад +20

    2:27 / 2:47 You mixed up the stations you highlight in the video.

  • @mic1240
    @mic1240 3 месяца назад +22

    This narrator must be Canadian, with “ut” and “a boot” and “pro cess” are pronounced and referencing kilometers. The CTA is only one of the transit agencies. The South Shore and Metra trains also serve the Southside, but are more commuter rail vs 24/7 like red line of CTA.

    • @michaelsmith9590
      @michaelsmith9590 3 месяца назад

      Found them out, eh? Perhaps a much too radical plan would be to install a "Tim Horton" type of coffee and muffin machine on each METRA Electric train , along with new equipment and more frequent schedules.

    • @truthfacts5438
      @truthfacts5438 3 месяца назад +5

      It's an AI computer voice

    • @mic1240
      @mic1240 3 месяца назад +1

      @@truthfacts5438 with Canadian accent

    • @gabrielschroll3824
      @gabrielschroll3824 Месяц назад

      @@mic1240 Indeed. You have a good ear, Mic.

  • @twilightcitystudios
    @twilightcitystudios 3 месяца назад +7

    I think it would have worth mentioning the Metra commuter train lines that are also running in the area as well and have commentary on that. Anyone wants to provide on those feel free to. I assume the redline extension will still go ahead as planned. Just thought it would be worthwhile mentioning the Metra lines in the video. If you didn't know about those metra trains the video makes it seem like there's no trains at all on the south side.

  • @MichelPetkovic
    @MichelPetkovic 3 месяца назад +3

    I hope that more modern Stadler FLIRT or KISS trains will operate on the extended Red Line, as they already operate in Dallas, TX and San Francisco, CA and Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Chicago deserves it.

    • @Drakes_transit
      @Drakes_transit 3 месяца назад +4

      The Cta uses bombardier built trains that run on 3rd rail voltage all cta trains run on 3rd rail power. Metra is getting the stadler trains on the Beverly hills branch

  • @michaelsmith9590
    @michaelsmith9590 3 месяца назад +13

    A significantly less costly alternative would be to electrify extensions to EXISTING METRA (commuter) train services: new equipment and more frequent schedules.

    • @williammcghee863
      @williammcghee863 3 месяца назад +5

      You forget we live don't live in a perfect world. CTA is a political organization providing a rail and bus service. METRA is a rail service that depends upon politics to be able to keep providing its services. Two different organizations, two different structures, two different political patronages, two different labor hiring streams and hiring pools. To borrow a worn cliche, like comparing apples and oranges. METRA is a much cleaner, more **ahem** middle-class experience (they don't take s*it from those riders who don't conform by following the rules), whereas the CTA seems to be an extension of the rule of the streets. In short, the two systems that actually compete for their share of State, Federal and local 'home rule' taxation dollars to maintain their facilities and maintain their power is highly inefficient but this inefficiency is the paradigm that we have today. Is it even worth changing at this point might I ask? I doubt the mayor of Chicago would just give up power in the way you are imagining or implying. Keep in mind that these two systems are the result of capitalists using capitalism to provide a public service and turn a profit; they couldn't and what we have is a working compromise.

    • @markofthearc
      @markofthearc 3 месяца назад +2

      @@williammcghee863 this is honestly well said wow.

  • @Drakes_transit
    @Drakes_transit 3 месяца назад +4

    I like the idea of this but the safety and security on trains and cleanliness for passengers is stll bad

  • @ttvrs1059
    @ttvrs1059 3 месяца назад +12

    5.3B$ for a 9Km/4stations line extension is just a scam!...

    • @activelow9297
      @activelow9297 3 месяца назад +2

      Lotta $$$ for places noone ever goes.

    • @oldgordo61
      @oldgordo61 3 месяца назад +1

      Montreal is dealing with a metro /subway extension of the Blue Line with 5 new stations that was promised since 1988 with the cost already over 6 billion cdn and they haven't even started construction yet which is supposed to done by 2030. When the city first built the subway back in the early 1960s it took abt 3 years and abt $136 millions to complete 3 and 26 stations. in 1966.

    • @brucebruce7816
      @brucebruce7816 3 месяца назад +2

      The outer loop proposal would have been more beneficial to the citizens of the city

    • @oldgordo61
      @oldgordo61 3 месяца назад +2

      @@brucebruce7816 Chicago seems to have an antiquitated system that serves only the city itself with the Loop not the suburbs imo.. Why Chicago never had a subway?.

    • @theevilmoppet
      @theevilmoppet 2 месяца назад

      @@oldgordo61Chicago does have subways..? Multiple of them? This is not Chicago’s problem. Even if it didn’t, elevated rail is cheaper, more accessible, and easier to maintain, without providing worse transit. (If you were wondering, Chicago’s subways are the downtown sections of the Red and Blue lines)
      Chicago’s problems regarding transit are decades of shrinking funding and deferred maintenance and a system only set up for a commute-to-downtown transit paradigm that post-COVID increasingly doesn’t work. If we want to give Chicago truly world class transit it will require a couple things:
      Orbital lines (two examples from projects that got pretty far in governmental implementation previously are the circle line and the mid city transitway)
      Systematic refurbishment and repairs
      Preferably, automatic or semi automatic running trains to help deal with the CTA’s staffing issues (even automatic systems that still require a train operator still lead to faster headways or less trains required to operate the same level of service)
      Better connections between L lines and each other or Metra outside downtown (things like building a better downtown core for Metra service, better integrating Metra and CTA stations + fares, or extending the brown line to the blue line)
      Significant expansion of bus service, both as feeders for Metra and CTA trains and as methods of getting around in their own right, including some new lines but mostly increases in frequency, reliability, and average speed through a generally higher budget, more busses, and things like bus lanes or signal priority.
      Not a single one of the CTA’s problems could be solved by putting our iconic lines underground. If you were going to build tens of miles of subway in Chicago, spending that time, effort, and money on simply replacing the existing system instead of adding tens of miles of new subway lines on would be a horrendous waste. But of course if one were to spend tens of billions of dollars expanding the CTA, it would be somewhat a waste and a shunning of an icon of Chicago to not build them elevated.

  • @jeffreysmith85
    @jeffreysmith85 3 месяца назад +3

    The cost of paying criminals

  • @samblensdorf7384
    @samblensdorf7384 Месяц назад +1

    If we stopped outsourcing construction it wouldn't be so expensive. 4 stations for God sakes

  • @jeffreysmith85
    @jeffreysmith85 3 месяца назад +2

    They need a b service back with so many stations

  • @jeffreysmith85
    @jeffreysmith85 3 месяца назад +3

    They have the rock and metra electric. B

  • @KyrilPG
    @KyrilPG 2 месяца назад +3

    90,000 passengers a week for a subway line?
    That's extremely low!
    Many simple tramway lines in Europe have this, or more, as daily ridership... let alone subway lines that have several times that ridership every day.
    The tramway line I regularly ride has 4 times that ridership per day, while the subway line I transfer on to is expected to reach the million in daily ridership in the coming months.
    So, 90,000 passengers a week seems like merely a bus line.
    Chicago desperately needs a tangential or orbital line (or 2 of them) to really improve ridership and restore the usefulness of the existing radial lines.
    Many in Chicago drive because the existing lines force a long detour through the center and back out in the suburbs.
    Sure, more transit is always good, but tangential - orbital lines are urgently needed to save the system by restoring its usefulness and ridership.
    CTA will save itself by developing what's really needed to serve the population.

    • @MrMaple11303
      @MrMaple11303 2 месяца назад +1

      Couldn't agree more with this review!

  • @deadchannelxd0420
    @deadchannelxd0420 3 месяца назад +22

    kinda lying. its serviced by commuter rail. they could have used the money to improve commuter rail

    • @MrProzaq
      @MrProzaq 2 месяца назад +2

      Was gonna say that Metra and South Shore Line both serve the South Side

    • @deadchannelxd0420
      @deadchannelxd0420 2 месяца назад +7

      @@MrProzaq there schedules are kinda bad but nowhere near as bad as the rest of Chicago.

    • @TysonIke
      @TysonIke Месяц назад

      Yea for 5.3bn they could definitely electrify the Rock Island District line.
      Edit: and add a branch to service exactly where this red extension goes

    • @deadchannelxd0420
      @deadchannelxd0420 Месяц назад

      @TysonIke a cheaper option is adding service to the electric division

    • @TysonIke
      @TysonIke Месяц назад

      @@deadchannelxd0420 I think that would be good too. It’s just with 5bn available, spend it on something impactful and generationally important

  • @AL5520
    @AL5520 23 дня назад

    Great comments. Those pesky poor people that think they deserve a decent, frequent, fast, 24/7 transit. I mean, they have some commuter lines, so what if it's not the same as a commuter line is not a substitute to a raoud transit system, a train once an hour (and more) doring specific hour should be fine for them. In fact Metra is so great maybe they should close the L, after all other places in Chicago have access to Metra and, as you all said, it's more than enough.
    As for the cost, it is outrageous just like the cost of other transit systems and I'm sure that just like you did before the best way to make it cheaper is not invest at all. Even maintenance is not that important as for years you spent less than the bear minimum on it.
    Seriously, the comments here is the reason why you don't have normal transit. Decades with minimum investment an now, after you lost the knowledge and ability and when costs are higher you complain. In order to be efficient and cost effective projects you need experience that is achieve d by actualy building thing and continuing to build, maintaine, improve and expand. You slso need to be less self absorbed and do things for the good of all society, even if it does not always help you directly as, in the end, it will affect you, and not in a good way.

  • @redlinedreamin
    @redlinedreamin 12 дней назад

    All of the impacts of the project mentioned all show footage of the red/purple modernization project. I'm sure almost all of this video has been put together with AI because it simply makes too many obvious mistakes.

  • @jeffreysmith85
    @jeffreysmith85 3 месяца назад +3

    Because the area is very poor

  • @brzzzaaaPP
    @brzzzaaaPP 5 дней назад

    2:55 in video; I can't watch any further. You... are a dope.