Alright. Every year there’s at least one point that I get a million comments on that tell me the same thing over and over again so let’s be crystal clear about this. “The Spectre is the wrath of God”. Where is that said in the shows? Comic explanations aren’t accepted as canon and never have been. Why would this be the exception? I don’t care if that’s how it works in the comics because it’s not explicit in the text. To add to this: I am also aware that Lucifer takes place in the same multiverse, and God is a character in that show. But not only does he never once interact with the Spectre-making this once again an adaptation argument that we’ve already dismissed-it’s also stated in Lucifer that God created the “universe”, implying he only has dominion over that single universe. There is no indication that God from Lucifer has any type of power throughout the multiverse.
Ummmm, akzually, in the comics it’s shown that god, or the prescrence in the comics actually has domain over all of the dc multiverse so your actually wrong and I’m right and the flash is the greatest show ever with the greatest writing and you should stub you’re toe on a coffee table in the middle of the night 🤓🤓🤓
What makes me wonder about God in Lucifer is how someone else voices the alternate universe Lucifer at the end of season 3, so is it another completely different God in another universe? or is it just that they didn't cast God at the time yet
@@AquaJig Script wasn’t that much different than the script for any other episode in this shows history, so I find it hard to believe that’s the reason he didn’t show up.
@@ninjafrog6966 even his dialogue was weird and out of character. And Zoom never used lightning attacks. But the newer writers/Wallace’s obsession with Speedsters being lightning benders and not just punching. Zoom made other metas look like fodder and ruled the earth and got so bored he had to pretend to be the hero.
@@ninjafrog6966 I think the most insulting part is how Barry, whose father he murdered, and Jay, who Zoom kidnapped and imprisoned for months whilst stealing his name, have no interactions with him.
@@oakinw8361 Geniunely, the lighting attacks are why this show's fight sequences suck so much. They've completely removed all the sense of brutality to it. Those fights made Zoom so physically intimidating and this season ruined him.
You can say that Season 1 and 2 was poorly written but they were actually entertaining, I rewatched the Cisco/Wells scene from S1, the tension in that scene is so good.
I don’t think it’s fair to say season 1 and 2 were never good, because when you compare those seasons with the later ones you can tell there was effort put into them. Yeah they too have their share of comic book corny moments, some weird dialogue choices and small inconsistencies but it was really put to a minimum. There’s just an energy that the show once had that went away completely as time went on.
@@comixproviderftw_02they weren’t good that is indeed a fact of course compared to later seasons they aren’t that bad because the rest of the seasons are awful asf but seasons 1 and 2 certainly have a feel good energy to them that are enjoyable
I actually felt nostalgic over the flash so I jumped back in for the final season and just gave up after seeing the end result of Red Death. What an embarrassment
I did the same but mostly out of morbid curiosity. I had stopped watching after season 4 bit I was still subbed to the subreddit so I found out that literally in the last episode ever they're bringing back every evil main speedster. Like I knew it couldn't work but I had to see it. And somehow without expecting anything I got still extremely dissapointed. Like what a f u to the fans who had stuck with this show from the beginning. Really embarrassing stuff.
Red Death, the end result of Batman's One Bad Day pushing him over the edge and causing him to absorb the Flash and his power. Red Death, the speedster killer, capable of rapidly aging anyone he touches, even to dust, and who can drain the Speed Force power of any* entity. Red Death, one of the most formidable evil incarnations of Batman in any reality, on par with Batman with the Doomsday virus, Batman with a corrupted Green Lantern ring, and Batman wielding the god of war's helm and power. And _THIS_ is what they chose to do with him.
@@thomaspanditfan2435 gotta be honest, yeah it were by far thebest two, but it still was way to cheesy for my taste. And without knowing anything of Bloodwork beforehand he just reminded me way to much of Kilgrave from Jessica Jones. Probably just the voice tho. But yeah as always liking Arrow more than flash I got pretty hyped seeing Ollie not gonna lie. Although it's a pretty big whiplash for me to see him now as a God, (I stopped after S6) The first Cobalt Blue episode was pretty good, I found the Joe fight a bit meh tho but I love Matt as Eobard so that was nice. Although I think that we already got that closure with rf and Barry's parents way before this season but yeah, it was nice. By far the best one.
Bringing back Savitar has loads of potential. He literally stands face to face with his past variants daughter without risk of being erased from existence. Instead of fighting, he should've had an existential crisis about how this means Iris doesn't need to die to preserve his own life anymore. He could've saved Iris from Zoom or Thawne, directly paralleling his S3 objective. Then have him die saving Nora West Allen, paralleling Nora Allem dying in front of Barry. Idk but at least it'd give some resonance and finality to the closing season of a show that's 9 years old.
not to mention one of Zoom’s biggest things was about how Barry “could have just as easily became him” and that’s literally Savitar so that’s another missed opportunity
Technically speaking Smallville could be argued as still being part of the arrowverse. Honestly though it’s sad to see a channel like the Cw just sorta die with a whimper. Hell we don’t even get one final laugh from the live action PPG pilot even. It’s just dead now and it’s a wonder how people can be mad at the new head of WB when he walked into a building on fire with various shit heaps smoking
grant got covid while they were filming the finale. that's why he didn't interact with most of the villains and a lot of scenes were scrapped because of it too
Savitar working for Blue Cobalt makes no sense. Blue Cobalt is going to erase Barry from existence, and he is Barry. They should have brought back The Rival instead.
The Flash Season 9 was certainly the TV Show of all time. The characters were there sometimes, the lines were delivered with a hefty dose of cringe, and the CGI makes me want to gouge my own eyes out. Let’s not get into writing though, because it makes me want to cry(and not because it makes me emotional).
I loved the part where the flash said "It's flashin' time" and flashed all over the villains. (Honestly this might have been a better ending than having Cecile defeat godspeed in 30 seconds)
It was written, the characters were there, and it certainly was acted with a healthy dose of bad CGI and cringe writing. It certainly was the season of all time
It's so weird because the episode with Barry and Thawne seemed more like a series finale than the bullshit with cobalt blue and while it was nice to see Eddie again, he really should've came back sooner, and not be a forced villain in the last season of the show
They have been teasing that Eddie was gonna return as Cobalt Blue since season 3. But here we are, 6 seasons later and he comeback in the last 4 episodes of the final season after the show had become absolute garbage.
@@Microwaved_Water1 Anything? They literally showed the cobalt blue stone at the end of Season8. They also had him survive in an alternative universe created by the flash's kids but that turned out to have nothing to do with the plot of the show's direction which just goes to show how entirely directionless it really has been for way too long.
@@oneandonlysound3453and yet he’s responding to a comment that says cobalt blue was teased since season 3, and there was no such tease that existed until like the season 8 finale
@@marciofilho2137he was never teased until the season 8 finale. there was no indication at all of cobalt blue being a villain on the show until that point. he wasn’t teased in season 3 at all
the difference between season 1/2 and later seaasons to me is the elevator pitch test. The core concept of season 1, man gets new speed powers and has to learn how to manage them, eventually deciding to try to do good with them. The core concept of season 2, same man begins to get a grip with his new powers as we find out that the accident which started it all may not have been as accidental as we thought. I feel like I, along with most people, can overlook a lot of things if the idea itself is solid. Bad coreography could be fixed without changing the core story. Bad acting could be fixed without changing the core story. And most bits of bad writing could be fixed without changing the core story. The earlier seasons of the flash had a good core story, even if their execution of it was left lacking in places. Later seasons however just completely phoned it in.
@@CaptainThugRdx Yeah seasons later than 2 definitely weren't unsalvagable by any means, but after about 2 is when they did begin to start having writing issues on a deeper level. (it wasn't a binary cutoff or anything, but IMO past 2 is when you start to saw more deep-cutting flaws begin to creep in)
I never realized it was possible to cure someone of a horrible disease AS A FORM OF PUNISHMENT! Insane, and the "heroes" aren't even trying to hide it, they aren't saying that they did as a form of mercy so he didn't have to suffer with it, or at least a form of goodwill. NO, they are taunting him!
I stopped watching this show after season 5. Just found out the Red Death is a woman. _JFC they butchered the unliving daylights out of my boy._ They turned the single most metal and hardcore speedster ever into a glorified diversity-stamp-of-approval power ranger. I'm not even mad, that level of disrespect is impressive.
@@Volvith I think it's a little bit odd that *that's* where you drew the line. Not the garbage writing, eye hurting CGI, idiotic continuity and every other aspect that ruins the character. Nah, it's because woman(?). Female villains still work and yeah CW has a diversity quota, but that's not the reason why it's garbage, every other bad decision is. I don't mean to sound confrontational btw, I just think that too much time is spent griping about politics in media overall and not lambasting the terrible writing choices that actually ruin media.
@@MrSignman65yea like what bothered me more about red death was seeing her in the flash museum as this big bad intimidating Speedster and then just have her throw tantrums and depend on a suit
If you guys are ever wondering why Thawne, the Flash's archnemesis and arguably the one most relevant villain in the entire show gets beaten by Allegra, the least relevant "hero" from Team Flash, know that Eric Wallace had a hand in creating her in the comics...
The real reason is because they decided to have the sidekicks deal with the villains cause they were running out of time, and thought Allegra made the most sense to assign to Thawne because of season 6's whole Nash Wells incident. I guess there's some consistency there but I have 0 idea what was going on the writers room for this season
Grant Gustin as the Flash and Tom Cavanagh and Reverse Flash were the best parts of Season 1. The other cogs were a hit or miss. The show always has the groundwork to fail, but they got the casting completely right.
The worst/funny part about zoom's mask in season 9 The original mask from season 2, was practical, it was a physical mask they made WhICH MEANS THEY LOST THE MASK AT SOME POINt BECAUSE WHY WOULD THEY NOT JUST REUSE THE OLD PRACTICAL MASK, THATS AMAZING
I mean I never got why they kept making cheaper looking flash suits either from Season 6 and on. Why not just reuse older ones and change minor details? Unless it was in Grant Gustin's contract that the costume had to be less sweaty and breathable to the point of looking ridicoulous by season 9 when it has like 100 visible breathing air holes in it. Same goes for Reverse Flash, yet Kid Flash seems to be wearing the same outfit? I don't get it.
To me there were some really great aspects to the show early on, things like Thawne's character in the first season and the whole implication that he was from a timeline that at least somewhat resembled the comics, but even then as you said there was some really weak aspects, but the show had personality and a real charm to it that somewhat helped counter it, like back then it knew it was goofy. For me it was during season 2 where I think problems began, the Zoom twist and his grand final plan seemed I never really liked, along with Barry's sudden new speed force powers and bringing back characters from the dead via other universes. Also the ending with Barry going back in time to save his mother felt like a contradiction of season 1's finale, which even then as much as I liked it not once did anyone bring up how saving his mother would throw off the timeline completely. Season 1's ending felt like the writers intentionally avoided doing a Flashpoint story because they knew they simply couldn't do it justice, so that change having Barry realize that changing the past wasn't the answer really worked, only for the season 2 to say screw all that he's doing it anyway, and thus giving us a really lame 'Flashpoint' to start season 3 and from there it was a downward slope. That along with things like that Flash's main reoccurring villains only really being in the first season bugged me, we never really got a proper comic Rogues team. It really felt like the show was always restricted in a lot of ways, and in others was just not willing to go far enough. Clearly that Smallville motto of having no capes or costumes still rubbed off on the flash, sure some characters had costumes but they all looked the same after a while, heck even the Flash himself had some pretty crap costumes at times, and others like Mirror Master was made into just a guy in a suit. I also really hated in retrospect all those little nods and teases towards the Justice League, like the names on Earth 2 Barry's phone, people would get so excited about that stuff despite these shows clearly having no intentions of actually featuring any of those characters. Everything just felt so cheap and diluted with nothing else to it after a while. I got into the Flash during the New 52 run, and from there backtracked to read some of the earlier stories, and it led to him becoming my favorite superhero, but for me it ate away at me how much of the show's structure and adaptations of characters didn't appeal to me, from making Barry and Iris practically siblings for most of there lives, and 'team Flash' being an idea I couldn't tolerate after a while. That said I never hated this show it just somewhat fizzled out for me, I think I made it around half-way through season 4 and gave up, and it just made me sad how little I cared about the show after that.
They've underestimated Caption fucking Cold and probably have never read his shit. They'll shit out hundreds of speedsters before buffing him, one of the best anti-speedsters that can stop bullets by his very presence.
Just make batman red death ffs. They made red death a cartoon villain who’s only purpose is to reference random batman quotes that sound extremely silly in and out of context
@@ninjafrog6966 The Batman quotes would’ve made sense if it was Kate Kane as Red Death since Kate and Bruce are cousins. But I figured they went with Ryan for consistency I guess since she’s the current Batwoman.
that ending monologue about not caring about the show anymore, more specifically the entire show, was actually pretty sad. As no more than an audience member, hearing that there were scenes at the start that still have emotional value that have been rendered insignificant by the shear size and quality drop of the show kinda gets to me. Knowing that the show had meaning and passion even if it was flawed, but now that it's finally over it has to be shut in a box and forgotten rather than remaining as a gem in ones mind, as it probably would have if it had finished years beforehand. Idk I guess I never thought about a show or franchise being so dragged out and disrespected that there's no way to look back on the earlier days and love the simple times. It's just a shame that the later, inferior sludge of something once great has somehow infected the earlier entries with it's flaws, draining it of the love that fans once displayed instead of being righteously ignored and overlooked so that the fans can continue enjoying the earlier entries. It kinda sounds like ones long and dangerous path to maturity and the tolls it takes. Not sure how that managed to be that deep lol
Congratulations, you just described the Star Wars fan base, the Star Trek fan base, most of the DC fanbase, the Doctor Who fanbase and the Marvel fanbase. If you think that monologue for a 9 season-long show was depressing, imagine living to see multiple ips that you have loved for DECADES become pathetic shells of themselves. “Apathy is death. Worse then death.”
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 I mean Star Wars fans still love the earlier films, whether or not they can stand the modern ones. Fair point but I don't believe any modern soft reboots have truly exposed the flaws and laziness of their predecessors
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 Ehh, Doctor Who has always had it's ups and downs, we've come to accept it as a feature. The whole point of the show is that, like the Doctor themself, it carries on and changes over time, for good and for bad. We're gonna get RTD running the shown for the next few years, great stuff is coming. And afterwards, who knows? But we know it will be different people and different stories. Maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll be bad. Who knows? But at this point Doctor Who, Marvel, DC, Star Wars, they're all sandboxes for creatives to try out new things. You'll get good stuff and you'll get bad stuff too. Theres no true authorship over them anymore, it doesn't belong to one artist.
@@Ted_Curtis Yeah, the decline happened to Doctor Who between seasons 21 and 25 (although you could argue that the slide had been happening since season 17), and it managed to rebound from that. NuWho started off pretty great (series 4 is a masterpiece, and the show in general was quite good from 2007 to 2011, and from 2015 to 2017). Like you, I have hope that RTD will make the show enjoyable again (although I suspect that will come with a slight over-reliance on nostalgia).
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 Okay, Discovery and Picard are pretty terrible shows, but Strange New Worlds is truly amazing (on par with the mid-90s era of Star Trek, I think), and you can really feel the passion for the franchise behind Lower Decks.
Can't complain about not seeing sisko's reaction. Carlos not coming back is the only way this show could be forced from the outside to have any modicum of consequence to anything that happened at all. That and it minorly reduces how badly it stains his filmography so good for him. lol
I still think that the Flash seasons 1 and 2 are still good. Outside of being an incompetent hero, the character work for Barry is really good. He gradually learned new skills as he learned how to use them responsibly. His regression arc in season 2 is particularly impressive. Of course, it’s ruined by season 3 only having Flashpoint for a single episode, but whatever. The show also bothers to have interesting mysteries, which is nice, and especially in hindsight. Thawne-Wells’ dialogue is so well done, I can’t believe literally anyone from that season wrote even season 3. Zoom actually felt scary, like a speed demon or serial killer. Beyond that, there was a sense of novelty and discovery within every new concept that I really miss. Metas felt cool, like each one had interesting powers that had their own strengths and weaknesses to be discovered. Time travel and the multiverse were still fresh concepts, and the characters reacted to the like any real person discovering them would. Along with that, everyone feels like they’re having a blast, probably because they are. The actors, and thus the characters, look like they’re having so much fun discovering this crazy new world.
@@jakubdrajewicz3737 Well the old RF suit never really fit Tom Cavanagh and it was pretty obvious every time he wasn't phasing. But it looked great on Matt Letscher.
@@williampearson6299 As someone who actually watches Power Rangers: You say this as if most Power Rangers suits, especially somehow ones like Mighty Morphin', don't actually tend to look pretty good. Most of the non-main villains up until the Neo-Saban Era however...
@@HOLDENPOPE I meant they look campy and cheesy. It's like they're wearing skin tight pyjamas in broad daylight and its it takes you out of it when their faces are exposed, you can't take them seriously
A few years ago I genuinely thought we would never see the OG Barry stuff because of the same reasons you said. It wasn't our Barry. Then we got it. I wasn't happy. I wasn't excited. I was sad. Not sad in the way that the Season 1 ending makes you sad. Just sad at what the show had become. The Flash has always been one of my favorite DC characters and I was genuinely happy with the show for the first few seasons despite it's flaws. Then it just kept going downhill. Now we're here. A place I never wanted to see this show. It's over and it didn't end with a bang, but a wimper. I really don't like what the show became but I have a hard time hating it. I just feel sad. This show started at a rough time in my life and it brought me peace and joy when I needed it the most. Brought me closer with my partner and friends when I was so closed off and depressed. It was something that I genuinely looked forward to every week. It helped me. Now this. It's genuinely heartbreaking because I don't think I'll even be able to watch the older seasons anymore knowing what it became. It's an odd sensation to feel so sad over what this show became. I think it has to do with how I got emotionally attached to the Characters and the Show due to what I was experiencing. Watching what it became... It was like watching someone you love lose themselves to addiction and become unrecognizable. It's just heartbreaking.
I dream that the Barry who became Flash in 2020 still exists in the multiverse and that his version of events is a great story and my ideal version of the show, and Thawne changing it so we have to see this shit instead is his actual revenge on Barry
S1 and S2 were excusable enough, it didnt hamper my enjoyment of it. Wanted to add S3 started off decent, but the one thing that killed the hype was the constant holding back of the reveal
and the cop out near the end of the season where H.R dies instead. not that i especially liked H.R all that much, but having iris actually die would’ve made for a far more compelling season imo, especially since they gave her absolutely nothing to do after season 3 likely because they might’ve actually had the intention of having iris die but had to change the story around after they changed plans, which probably explains why everything after that episode goes downhill
There are 2 thoughts I wanna put out here. Firstly, while Seasons 1 and 2 have some corny Arrowverse stuff and stupid things that make no sense if you think about it too much, it’s not really fair to call them bad. I’ve only recently stepped into this show after glimpsing over it for years just cause I never got round to it (I’m also in the UK so it’s trickier to get it here) and there’s even stuff I like about the whole first half of the show, but those first 2 seasons are genuinely heartfelt, gripping and intense compared to a lot of what we get later on. It can be hard to remember that for some people who are overwhelmed by what we have now, but we can’t forget the reason we fell in love with it in the beginning. My second point is that I believe Grant Gustin still pulled it off somehow. If there was any heart and soul left in the show by the end, he was the only one who brought it and carried it on, and you can still see it all the way through. Despite how bad the writing got, he always gave the role his all and his acting and performance was consistently great. Huge respect and admiration to him, he will always be The Flash to me.
@@1hpredkingtower432 I like to call what’s happening here the Drake effect or, more fittingly, the “ mediocrity effect " when something goes from mid to so goddamn awful that delusional fans or enjoyers of the midness lie to themselves subconsciously and start believing the older work is better than it actually was. It happens all the time, so I can’t blame you. But in reality, the Flash was, at best, an okay show. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@benjtgTo counter this comment, I have my own theory which I’ve seen quite a few others notice as well which is essentially the opposite of this, where if any shows or films we like start to go down in quality some people begin to convince themselves that it always sucked in the first place. The case has certainly happened here, where despite the first couple seasons of this show being genuinely alright people have begun to believe and claim it was terrible to begin with, forgetting about the stuff they used to love about it and only focusing on the worse bits. I’ve heard some crazy Star Wars fans start saying the original trilogy sucks just because they’ve let the more mixed projects from recent years get into their heads. It’s absurd and it’s honesty something that is more damaging and affects more people than your theory. I do agree with a lot of what you said and it is important to be critical of something you like, but there’s always something to enjoy from it.
The worst part of the flash was giving him a team. Like sure having kaitlyn, cisco, and wellsobard there made sense in season 1 because barry didnt understand his powers and he needed the help at the time but as the series progressed you would think that barry would grow as a character and need less help to take down the bad guys but no, they need to give screentime to other characters so barry has to always need help to take down the bad guys because cw cant think of any other ways for other characters to be on screen. Imagine if instead of spending every episode constantly having barry struggle to take out a regular villain they spent some amount of time having barry struggle to be the flash and barry allen while keeping his identity a secret. They do this a little bit but they never put it front and center unless they wanted to have a big melodramatic sequence where everyone gets mad at barry for something. Imagine if instead of everyone just getting pissed off we got to see the internal struggle within barry where he sees someone in trouble but cant act upon it without revealing his identity because hes out being barry allen which causes him to push away his duties as a regular person and focus on being a hero too much and risk losing his job or some relationships with people. Like that would be way more interesting than barry failing to catch villain #62 and the team being like "barry you failed and like 8 people died but its totally okay because you tried to talk them down instead of hurting them but next time we find them lets use this gizmo to temporarily reduce their powers and then handcuff them. Now run barry, run"
The only way the S1 Finale full circle could've worked without completely breaking the show is if it was told from the perspective of Thawne in flashbacks to how he remembers his origin to be.
I like how it was easy to predict that Kaitlyn was coming back because nobody talked about her death in the show, only Frost's and they never held a funeral for her and the flash writers would never pass up the chance to milk a character's death so it was obvious the writers knew it would just be a time waster
More like, “What if you made a serial killer a speedster with a good idea of what he’s capable of.” He was the embodiment of fear and he was also very demonic, which made his character creative.
Thing is, bloodwork had comics tied in with the flash and I really enjoyed the episode where he came back. I think it fit perfectly with what it was meant to be
This honestly makes me so sad. So sad I want to cry. I loved The Flash. This show meant so much to me. The Flash has always been my favorite superhero as a kid and so when I was in middle school and found out they were making a Flash TV show, I was so excited. I remember watching the first season and being blown away. I loved the show. I loved the characters. I loved the flash. Seeing what it turned into, it makes me so sad.
Nora's birth gave you no closure? Barry basically is prioritizing marriage and fatherhood since he was robbed of family and been healing from that trauma. So he made new speedsters to focus on that
@williampearson6299 This show has been torturing me and my father for the last 6 years, and we have been hate watching it, hoping it would become better. It tormented and blue balled us so many times, we thought this nightmare would never end and refused to end it. it's cool if you like Nora being born and stuff, but this ending wasn't enough for me, especially for how bad and quarter hearted it felt.
As someone who originally liked season 1 and 2 then stopped watching in whichever season Savitar was introduced (I can’t even be bothered to look it up) I appreciate the concise summary of how soulless the show has become. It’s nice to have confirmation that I was right in just giving up.
Another thing about show writing thats often forgotten about is that they are collaborative effects, not solo. So rewrites while fun, often times feel hollow
Really sad to see how this show ended, My brother and I watched the show way back when it started and unfortunately we never did finish it but back when it started I wanted to watch all of it with him to bad it got so bad we stopped. Fuck you CW.
I think the reason why their made zoom look cheaper now, is because they wanted their new villain to look better. That is the wrong way to go about it, make characters better instead of bringing the previous back looking worse. I checked out after season 2, Wally just felt to angsty. I wanted to see Wally be more quick witted and funny, but he just felt like he belonged in Twilight
when it comes to time travel, Savitar did say the more you do it the less the rules apply to you. Thawne had probably done it so often that he could change major events without much repercussion. he edited the timeline so Barry becomes the Flash sooner without a mother, fills his life with tragedy, purely out of hatred. the OG timeline Barry was erased that night, and was instead replaced by our Barry, which is evident from Flash still saving young Barry. i reckon the timeline (past, future, present) is working all at once and always has been which is why speedsters can fuck up and change major things with or without consequence. if a speedster regularly changes shit, the timeline grows used to it and lets it happen. if a speedster doesn’t, the timeline rejects the changes. everything that happened that night was written and rewritten multiple times due to time travelling speedsters, to the point that the OG timeline cannot be brought back anymore.
Oliver wasn’t aware that he had created universes beyond Earth-Prime, therefore it’s evident that the process of him restoring existence wasn’t a completely conscious one. Also historically the Spectre serves the Presence, so yeah, there’s someone above him.
This was a tough pill to swallow as I grew up with the early seasons of this show; but I have to accept that the series was never good at all. The Flash works by himself, that’s how he’s always worked. Giving him a team was stupid.
besides for how bad its handled after the first seasons, on a tv series you cant have just him, its not how tv series works, a series with this structure has to have a "team flash", probably the best way to do it is not having too much characters to handle, the first season has a good balance for example
The team is not necessarily stupid, what's stupid is that, at least in season 1, his team is a room full of supposedly geniuses, yet they all fail to point out that nobody except speedsters would be able to react if the flash just ran up to them, picked them up and carried them to star labs. Something he does occasionally, but never thinks to like... Always do, all the time.
Subbed, awesome stuff dude lol. At this point they should’ve just had Barry wake up from a fucking coma caused by the original lightening strike and make it all just a bad dream😂
14:22 As an Arrow Fan that kinda enjoyed the ending THANK YOU! I felt so pissed off to the fact that in the New Universe he created He created Copies to replace his Passed Loves ones, DESPITE 4 EPISODES AGO we spent an ENTIRE EPISODE on Oliver Learning to let go passed people 🤮 Oh, & BTW, Oliver didn't bring back ANYONE, is a Ben 10 Alien X-Aniquilar Scenario, He Simply created a copy of them & pretend nothing happens(& just like it was Horrendous in Ben 10 Omniverse, it was also Horrendous on Arrow)
In concept, I like the idea of bringing back every villain of a series at the very end; but like.. this has to be the most underwhelming way you could possibly go about doing that.
@@ninjafrog6966right, I was rooting for the villains by that point. If your audience wants the bad guys to win during a 9 season show finale, a LOT is going wrong
I have been a Comic Fan since the late 80's. I have always accepted that it can have pretty absurd Stories. As you pointed out not only did the Flash have a pretty good Story for a Comic TV Show, it had people who cared. Seasons 1 and 2 where great for what they where and I loved them for that. Season 3 I enjoyed until the end. That was when Characters started having changes done to their Personalities, and prior Rules where starting to be ignored. Once Season 3 was done I knew it was over, and I stopped watching. Its sad because it was a great Show, and for what it was. It was enjoyable and entertaining. Its sad that they just seemed to stop caring.
16:25 I would like to point out, Killer Frost was Khione. Caitlyn's dad said as much during his like 1-2 episode arc. So if Killer Frost is dead, Khione is dead. So who TF is this new girl?
There is a middle ground on the "Flash was never good" and "Flash dropped off between seasons 2 and 3" They were at least trying to make it look cool and feel engaging with the first two seasons, it's noticeably better than the power-rangers fights in the later seasons - but it was always pretty plot-holey and inconsistent, and you just can't sustain a show like that for 9 years without the last few years feeling much weaker than the first.
Guys, this isn{t the final season of the flash. this is "iris and friends", with guest starring Grant Gustin. as the flash. didn't yall hear? it's a spinoff from the flash.
Trust me you do not wanna linger on the time travel stuff, cause the more you do the more confusing it gets and the more confusing it gets the more frustrated you become from sheer inconsistency from this show
if I were to make a story with time travel, I would have clean and simple rules. do not change a single thing in the past, do not kill something or someone way before they were meant to die, don't step on a fucking flower, do not do anything that can possibly change reality. observing things (without being seen) or tiny harmless pranks that do literally nothing, like moving someone's pencil a little because why not.
@@meinman7591 Sounds like a boring movie no offense, but if you wanna include time travel make it consistent and easy to understand or just don't include time travel at all
and the entire Arrowverse. According to Legends of Tomorrow, though it never directly states this, creating a Time Remnant should create a timequake. So shouldn't Mallus have been freed earlier? Possibly even freed during Season 2 when Thawne created that army of Time Remnants?
Just to be clear, there are 4 versions of "The Night of the Impossible", the night that barries mother died. This is because crisis rebooted the universe and altered things slightly, New52-style. There is pre-flashpoint-pre-crisis. This is the one that setup flashpoint. Then there is post-flashpoint-pre-crisis. THIS is the one from the intro to the series with Original Timeline Barry. Then crisis happened and recreated most of the events that happened before crisis, but altered ever so slightly. Because of that, the events of "The Night of the Impossible" were recreated and altered. Now we have Pre-Flashpoint-Post-Crisis (never shown on-air) where it essentially is a recreation of the events the pre-flashpoint-pre-crisis events but with Finale barry instead of original timeline barry. Then finally we get post-flashpoint-post-crisis, which is the events we saw in the season finale. That scene left me with a bunch of questions too. This is how it was explained to me.
They should’ve had a Barry vs Original Timeline Barry storyline. & before you say “Savitar already came”, let’s wonder how crazy it would be to have two good versions of Barry end up having to duke it out because Original Timeline Barry thinks our Barry’s timeline is wrong & shouldn’t exist. It would give Miguel O’Hara vibes 😂
I hate how the Savitar cgi suit looks absolutely awesome and then the actual prop suit is so large and chunky, it's so unintimidating when they swap to the prop costume
I gave up on this show quite a few seasons ago, so watching this video was like a fucking acid trip. What the hell. Why. Why why why why. What- what even- WHAT THE FUCK IS ANY OF THIS?! OMFG.
definitely a different costume designer for zoom, that or they ditched the cgi for some of its effects because the eyes are no longer sunken in and the mouth isnt so much stretched looking like the mouth is fused shut so much as someone took a knife to the mask and cut some slits around the mouth, not the mention the glints of light in his eyes that made him look like an actual entity as opposed to a person in a suit looks more like someone wearing contacts, man looks like a cosplayer now
*18:58** You can CLEARLY SEE they didn't care, Grant STILL HAS THE GREEN LINES OF THE GREEN SCREEN, & he looks perfectly Daylight iluminated despite the place is at night*
Regarding the whole Nora's death thing- The moment reverse flash went to the past to kill Barry as a kid, he made Nora's death a fixed point. The original future flash we saw fight him in season 1 wasn't the one from season 9. In seasons 1 and 2 that's show this scene, Barry and thawn arrive from a time portal together. Thawn wasn't transported here beforehand and had lunch with Barry or anything else we saw in season 9. So we STILL haven't seen the future flash beat thawn, because that can't happen anymore, even if it did originally. Also, it's a brand new earth prime that didn't exist in seasons 1-4(?) after crisis, so it really can't happen anymore either. So just like flashpoint flash and flashpoint reverse flash (season 2) coming in to stop pre-flashpoint flash (beginning of season two or end of season 1) from stopping the original thawn just... Became the new history, this season 9 Barry being the one who fights thawn and saves kid Barry just... Became the new history after crisis. ..... That paragraph physically hurt me
if the show bothered to explain it in a way that makes sense, we wouldn’t be here now. the problem with the show is how they never actually bother to explain this stuff in a way that actually makes sense with the show’s continuity, which has always been inconsistent even during the first 2 seasons of its run
@@ninjafrog6966 there's nothing really to explain that they haven't already. They explained that stable time loops don't exist (ignore legends of tomorrow please), so any instance we see of time travel is a new thing happening then, as we see it. Not happening because it already happened. .... That made no sense, did it? Basically, the show has said multiple times that every instance of time travel either is so minor that nothing changes in the grand scheme of things (entire plot of season 3 with savitar up until the finale), or it is massive enough that it alters a "fixed point" and makes a brand new timeline (flashpoint and crisis both, as well as season 3 finale where iris doesn't die). As long as Nora dies, Barry can travel to the past and give his baby self a wedgie. Since that's not a fixed point, and doesn't make a new timeline, he won't remember getting a wedgie because it doesn't actually happen in his personal history. The speed force just merges the "self wedgie" timeline and the "no wedgie" timeline into one, and since there isn't much conflict no one would ever notice. If instead he broke the legs of his baby self, the Barry we see do that would eventually remember that, on top of any other differences, as a new timeline is created and he travels back to the "new present" in this new timeline. If he stays in the past after the leg break, he turns into thawn who becomes an anomaly the timeline will try to correct in increasingly stupid ways. So in this case, Barry from season nine can eat with thawn in the past before he kills Nora. Or he can go on a blockbuster binge. Neither really matter and neither will change the timeline as long as its not a major change. That one aspect is basically the ONLY Thing related to time travel that is consist in the show, and something we've seen multiple times. Everything else changes on a whim, like time wraiths and the timeline hating speedsters (which is something basically everyone forgot was an established plot point)
@@noblesseoblige319was funny watching the two of them drinking beer together. I imagined the two of them getting drunk and then going to young Barry's house for their fight 😂
The Presence is above The Spectre in the DC universe and he exists (in Lucifer as the so called God) so I guess he is the one that only allows Oliver to do something when the multiverse is in the danger and didn't allow him to make the perfect multiverse without evil and sum shit
eddie bringing back other villians to not doing with that potential has me so mad. not to mention red death being a goofy red goblin costume. not to mention the thing with thawne going to kill barry yet its not older barry. WTF
The fight between Cecile and Godspeed was so ass. Cecile just puts here hands out and the clones just slip on a banana peel. I dont think i wouldve been shocked if there was just an editors note pasted across the screen for the vfx guys that says "insert 'cecile powers but somehow make it look like goo' here".
Of course the guy who's motivated by...trying to cure cancer is turned into a villain, can't make our "heroes" look ineffectual! Curing him of his cancer only so he spend decades in prison is especially wack though. Like, that's a sick thing for your "heroes" to be proud of regardless of context.
Fun Fact Sheev, Superman & Lois is made by the same executive producer (showrunner) who also worked on The Flash from S1, and was one of the showrunner of S2 to S5.
i think the end of Season 9 where current Barry stops his past self could've made sense if time travel worked like this: the timeline can be changed, but only once so basically Barry's mom lives in Timeline 1 Thawne goes back in time and kills her, causing Timeline 2 Timeline 2 Barry goes back in time to stop Thawne from killing her, which would cause a slightly different Timeline 1 (Timeline 3) this isn't physically allowed to happen, so future Barry stops his past self
Alright.
Every year there’s at least one point that I get a million comments on that tell me the same thing over and over again so let’s be crystal clear about this.
“The Spectre is the wrath of God”. Where is that said in the shows? Comic explanations aren’t accepted as canon and never have been. Why would this be the exception? I don’t care if that’s how it works in the comics because it’s not explicit in the text.
To add to this: I am also aware that Lucifer takes place in the same multiverse, and God is a character in that show. But not only does he never once interact with the Spectre-making this once again an adaptation argument that we’ve already dismissed-it’s also stated in Lucifer that God created the “universe”, implying he only has dominion over that single universe. There is no indication that God from Lucifer has any type of power throughout the multiverse.
Ummmm, akzually, in the comics it’s shown that god, or the prescrence in the comics actually has domain over all of the dc multiverse so your actually wrong and I’m right and the flash is the greatest show ever with the greatest writing and you should stub you’re toe on a coffee table in the middle of the night 🤓🤓🤓
@@tacotown4598 at the beggining it was ok but then when you said about stubbing his toe you went too far I think, even lucifer wouldnt go that far
@@Goferek805 it’s a joke lol
What makes me wonder about God in Lucifer is how someone else voices the alternate universe Lucifer at the end of season 3, so is it another completely different God in another universe? or is it just that they didn't cast God at the time yet
@@1z1e0u1z8avemaria it took me like 2 minutes lmao
I read that Cisco's actor wanted to come back for the finale, but couldn't make it work with his schedule. Which is clearly a lie and I respect it
He read the script and noped out of it.
@@AquaJig BRO I RESPECT THAT LMFAO
@@AquaJig Script wasn’t that much different than the script for any other episode in this shows history, so I find it hard to believe that’s the reason he didn’t show up.
I almost admire this season for finding a way to make Zoom both boring and utterly unintimidating.
Zoom literally does nothing in this episode
@@ninjafrog6966 even his dialogue was weird and out of character. And Zoom never used lightning attacks. But the newer writers/Wallace’s obsession with Speedsters being lightning benders and not just punching. Zoom made other metas look like fodder and ruled the earth and got so bored he had to pretend to be the hero.
@@ninjafrog6966 I think the most insulting part is how Barry, whose father he murdered, and Jay, who Zoom kidnapped and imprisoned for months whilst stealing his name, have no interactions with him.
@@oakinw8361 Geniunely, the lighting attacks are why this show's fight sequences suck so much. They've completely removed all the sense of brutality to it. Those fights made Zoom so physically intimidating and this season ruined him.
Zoom was always bad, all flash and no substance
I thought this video was a meme at first because of the title. But in hindsight it perfectly represents what this season is like as a whole lol
Seemingly, I think CW just didn't want to pay the MALE characters. If women make 10% of what a man makes then I'd let the women have more runtime too
Sheev's like that
Thanks to Sheeve, people thought I was nitpicking: ruclips.net/video/9MQ8UTYdUU0/видео.html
@@williampearson6299 What?
@@caylya7869 He is giving a reason why we get episodes dedicated to useless female characters like Cecile, Allegra, Killerfrost, etc.
You can say that Season 1 and 2 was poorly written but they were actually entertaining, I rewatched the Cisco/Wells scene from S1, the tension in that scene is so good.
I don’t think it’s fair to say season 1 and 2 were never good, because when you compare those seasons with the later ones you can tell there was effort put into them. Yeah they too have their share of comic book corny moments, some weird dialogue choices and small inconsistencies but it was really put to a minimum. There’s just an energy that the show once had that went away completely as time went on.
@@comixproviderftw_02 exactly
3 was great too
@@comixproviderftw_02 There are a lot of contrivances even in season 1.
@@comixproviderftw_02they weren’t good that is indeed a fact of course compared to later seasons they aren’t that bad because the rest of the seasons are awful asf but seasons 1 and 2 certainly have a feel good energy to them that are enjoyable
I actually felt nostalgic over the flash so I jumped back in for the final season and just gave up after seeing the end result of Red Death. What an embarrassment
You should have watched episode 9 and 10 of season 9. It’s the only episodes really worth watching
I did the same but mostly out of morbid curiosity.
I had stopped watching after season 4 bit I was still subbed to the subreddit so I found out that literally in the last episode ever they're bringing back every evil main speedster. Like I knew it couldn't work but I had to see it.
And somehow without expecting anything I got still extremely dissapointed. Like what a f u to the fans who had stuck with this show from the beginning. Really embarrassing stuff.
@@ninjaduck6141 bro, episode 9 and 10 tho... somehow got me resally emotional
Red Death, the end result of Batman's One Bad Day pushing him over the edge and causing him to absorb the Flash and his power. Red Death, the speedster killer, capable of rapidly aging anyone he touches, even to dust, and who can drain the Speed Force power of any* entity. Red Death, one of the most formidable evil incarnations of Batman in any reality, on par with Batman with the Doomsday virus, Batman with a corrupted Green Lantern ring, and Batman wielding the god of war's helm and power.
And _THIS_ is what they chose to do with him.
@@thomaspanditfan2435 gotta be honest, yeah it were by far thebest two, but it still was way to cheesy for my taste. And without knowing anything of Bloodwork beforehand he just reminded me way to much of Kilgrave from Jessica Jones.
Probably just the voice tho.
But yeah as always liking Arrow more than flash I got pretty hyped seeing Ollie not gonna lie. Although it's a pretty big whiplash for me to see him now as a God, (I stopped after S6)
The first Cobalt Blue episode was pretty good, I found the Joe fight a bit meh tho but I love Matt as Eobard so that was nice. Although I think that we already got that closure with rf and Barry's parents way before this season but yeah, it was nice. By far the best one.
Bringing back Savitar has loads of potential. He literally stands face to face with his past variants daughter without risk of being erased from existence. Instead of fighting, he should've had an existential crisis about how this means Iris doesn't need to die to preserve his own life anymore. He could've saved Iris from Zoom or Thawne, directly paralleling his S3 objective. Then have him die saving Nora West Allen, paralleling Nora Allem dying in front of Barry. Idk but at least it'd give some resonance and finality to the closing season of a show that's 9 years old.
Exactly,savitar was always my favourite villain,so it sucks that they wasted him like thsi
Who wants to start an irl Savitar cult?
@@Lampem 🗿🗿
@@Lampem hear hear
not to mention one of Zoom’s biggest things was about how Barry “could have just as easily became him” and that’s literally Savitar so that’s another missed opportunity
The fact that I miss Smallville way more than any Arrowverse show speaks for itself
Technically speaking Smallville could be argued as still being part of the arrowverse.
Honestly though it’s sad to see a channel like the Cw just sorta die with a whimper. Hell we don’t even get one final laugh from the live action PPG pilot even.
It’s just dead now and it’s a wonder how people can be mad at the new head of WB when he walked into a building on fire with various shit heaps smoking
Hey, at least Arrow took itself seriously for the majority of it
@@creed8712 Arrow can be argued as being part of the Smallville-verse.
@@piercemchugh4509 arrow is connected to smallville in any capacity.
@@mcgamer120games7 no dude
I was really bumed that savitar didn't come out of his suit for godspeed and zoom to see, I was really hoping at least that would happen.
grant got covid while they were filming the finale. that's why he didn't interact with most of the villains and a lot of scenes were scrapped because of it too
Savitar working for Blue Cobalt makes no sense. Blue Cobalt is going to erase Barry from existence, and he is Barry. They should have brought back The Rival instead.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 rival arguably was a better villian then the last 6-ish villians (cicada, speedforce, red death, and godspeed, etc)
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 couldve been nice to see the villains betray each other or smth like that too
@@ult1mat392Can’t do that with a 50 minute final rushed episode
The Flash Season 9 was certainly the TV Show of all time.
The characters were there sometimes, the lines were delivered with a hefty dose of cringe, and the CGI makes me want to gouge my own eyes out.
Let’s not get into writing though, because it makes me want to cry(and not because it makes me emotional).
The season finale made me cry(tears of joy) realizing the show is over
@@ninjafrog6966 LMAOO
The Flash Season 9 really was the Most Season out of all of them.
It truly was one of the seasons of all time
I loved the part where the flash said "It's flashin' time" and flashed all over the villains. (Honestly this might have been a better ending than having Cecile defeat godspeed in 30 seconds)
bro, episode 9 and 10 tho... somehow got me resally emotional
@Chad King Wouldn't we all
It was written, the characters were there, and it certainly was acted with a healthy dose of bad CGI and cringe writing. It certainly was the season of all time
It's so weird because the episode with Barry and Thawne seemed more like a series finale than the bullshit with cobalt blue and while it was nice to see Eddie again, he really should've came back sooner, and not be a forced villain in the last season of the show
They have been teasing that Eddie was gonna return as Cobalt Blue since season 3. But here we are, 6 seasons later and he comeback in the last 4 episodes of the final season after the show had become absolute garbage.
@@marciofilho2137 they never teased us anything lmao. Fans were just hyping themselfs up that eddie was gonna be cobalt blue
@@Microwaved_Water1 Anything? They literally showed the cobalt blue stone at the end of Season8. They also had him survive in an alternative universe created by the flash's kids but that turned out to have nothing to do with the plot of the show's direction which just goes to show how entirely directionless it really has been for way too long.
@@oneandonlysound3453and yet he’s responding to a comment that says cobalt blue was teased since season 3, and there was no such tease that existed until like the season 8 finale
@@marciofilho2137he was never teased until the season 8 finale. there was no indication at all of cobalt blue being a villain on the show until that point. he wasn’t teased in season 3 at all
the difference between season 1/2 and later seaasons to me is the elevator pitch test. The core concept of season 1, man gets new speed powers and has to learn how to manage them, eventually deciding to try to do good with them. The core concept of season 2, same man begins to get a grip with his new powers as we find out that the accident which started it all may not have been as accidental as we thought.
I feel like I, along with most people, can overlook a lot of things if the idea itself is solid. Bad coreography could be fixed without changing the core story. Bad acting could be fixed without changing the core story. And most bits of bad writing could be fixed without changing the core story. The earlier seasons of the flash had a good core story, even if their execution of it was left lacking in places.
Later seasons however just completely phoned it in.
I really enjoyed the beginning of season 6, Bloodwork was awesome
Seasons 1-4 were honestly great for me..5 was just okay but sfter 6A and Crisis..Eric Wallace messed it up
@@CaptainThugRdx Yeah seasons later than 2 definitely weren't unsalvagable by any means, but after about 2 is when they did begin to start having writing issues on a deeper level. (it wasn't a binary cutoff or anything, but IMO past 2 is when you start to saw more deep-cutting flaws begin to creep in)
14:00 What in the actual fuck.
Out of context that seems like some supervillain level of dialogue from our "heroes"
Sounded like something the "heroes" from The Boys would say ngl
@@sammydray5919 Yeah, pretty on point
Writing on this is something else entirely :D
The Fast Boys
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I never realized it was possible to cure someone of a horrible disease AS A FORM OF PUNISHMENT! Insane, and the "heroes" aren't even trying to hide it, they aren't saying that they did as a form of mercy so he didn't have to suffer with it, or at least a form of goodwill. NO, they are taunting him!
When you do a timestamp you should make it at the beginning of the scene not the end as to not confuse doofuses like me
I actually broke down with laughter whenever red death started having tantrums whenever she lost to flash
😂
I stopped watching this show after season 5.
Just found out the Red Death is a woman.
_JFC they butchered the unliving daylights out of my boy._
They turned the single most metal and hardcore speedster ever into a glorified diversity-stamp-of-approval power ranger. I'm not even mad, that level of disrespect is impressive.
@@Volvith I think it's a little bit odd that *that's* where you drew the line. Not the garbage writing, eye hurting CGI, idiotic continuity and every other aspect that ruins the character. Nah, it's because woman(?). Female villains still work and yeah CW has a diversity quota, but that's not the reason why it's garbage, every other bad decision is.
I don't mean to sound confrontational btw, I just think that too much time is spent griping about politics in media overall and not lambasting the terrible writing choices that actually ruin media.
@@MrSignman65 Agreed
@@MrSignman65yea like what bothered me more about red death was seeing her in the flash museum as this big bad intimidating Speedster and then just have her throw tantrums and depend on a suit
If you guys are ever wondering why Thawne, the Flash's archnemesis and arguably the one most relevant villain in the entire show gets beaten by Allegra, the least relevant "hero" from Team Flash, know that Eric Wallace had a hand in creating her in the comics...
Add that Chester is a self-insert of Eric Wallace, implied by himself.
The real reason is because they decided to have the sidekicks deal with the villains cause they were running out of time, and thought Allegra made the most sense to assign to Thawne because of season 6's whole Nash Wells incident. I guess there's some consistency there but I have 0 idea what was going on the writers room for this season
I don't get it
It may have learned new curse words, but we know the One that holds power over all of them.
If American men are so dissatisfied why don't they just "off" themselves? Everything makes you mad, apparently.
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Grant Gustin as the Flash and Tom Cavanagh and Reverse Flash were the best parts of Season 1. The other cogs were a hit or miss. The show always has the groundwork to fail, but they got the casting completely right.
Still mad that Grant couldn't get a cameo in the new flash movie
@@ProGamer-lk9qw
Nobody deserves the punishment of being in a film with Ezra Miller so I’m actually glad
@@iampierce7474 I have bad news for you bro...Ezra was already in the Flash show as a cameo lmao
@@ProGamer-lk9qw
No further punishment for Grant I mean
Oh and Matt Letscher and Tony Todd
The worst/funny part about zoom's mask in season 9
The original mask from season 2, was practical, it was a physical mask they made
WhICH MEANS THEY LOST THE MASK AT SOME POINt
BECAUSE WHY WOULD THEY NOT JUST REUSE THE OLD PRACTICAL MASK, THATS AMAZING
That Season 9 mask looks like something they’d be use for test footage
I mean I never got why they kept making cheaper looking flash suits either from Season 6 and on. Why not just reuse older ones and change minor details? Unless it was in Grant Gustin's contract that the costume had to be less sweaty and breathable to the point of looking ridicoulous by season 9 when it has like 100 visible breathing air holes in it.
Same goes for Reverse Flash, yet Kid Flash seems to be wearing the same outfit? I don't get it.
The old one looked like charred skin and it was cool as hell
@@comixproviderftw_02party city mask
I feel like the old Mask was destroyed and teared for black flash
To me there were some really great aspects to the show early on, things like Thawne's character in the first season and the whole implication that he was from a timeline that at least somewhat resembled the comics, but even then as you said there was some really weak aspects, but the show had personality and a real charm to it that somewhat helped counter it, like back then it knew it was goofy.
For me it was during season 2 where I think problems began, the Zoom twist and his grand final plan seemed I never really liked, along with Barry's sudden new speed force powers and bringing back characters from the dead via other universes. Also the ending with Barry going back in time to save his mother felt like a contradiction of season 1's finale, which even then as much as I liked it not once did anyone bring up how saving his mother would throw off the timeline completely. Season 1's ending felt like the writers intentionally avoided doing a Flashpoint story because they knew they simply couldn't do it justice, so that change having Barry realize that changing the past wasn't the answer really worked, only for the season 2 to say screw all that he's doing it anyway, and thus giving us a really lame 'Flashpoint' to start season 3 and from there it was a downward slope.
That along with things like that Flash's main reoccurring villains only really being in the first season bugged me, we never really got a proper comic Rogues team. It really felt like the show was always restricted in a lot of ways, and in others was just not willing to go far enough. Clearly that Smallville motto of having no capes or costumes still rubbed off on the flash, sure some characters had costumes but they all looked the same after a while, heck even the Flash himself had some pretty crap costumes at times, and others like Mirror Master was made into just a guy in a suit. I also really hated in retrospect all those little nods and teases towards the Justice League, like the names on Earth 2 Barry's phone, people would get so excited about that stuff despite these shows clearly having no intentions of actually featuring any of those characters. Everything just felt so cheap and diluted with nothing else to it after a while.
I got into the Flash during the New 52 run, and from there backtracked to read some of the earlier stories, and it led to him becoming my favorite superhero, but for me it ate away at me how much of the show's structure and adaptations of characters didn't appeal to me, from making Barry and Iris practically siblings for most of there lives, and 'team Flash' being an idea I couldn't tolerate after a while. That said I never hated this show it just somewhat fizzled out for me, I think I made it around half-way through season 4 and gave up, and it just made me sad how little I cared about the show after that.
They've underestimated Caption fucking Cold and probably have never read his shit. They'll shit out hundreds of speedsters before buffing him, one of the best anti-speedsters that can stop bullets by his very presence.
Javicia Leslie as Red Death is straight up auditioning to be a Power Rangers villain, I swear.
Just make batman red death ffs. They made red death a cartoon villain who’s only purpose is to reference random batman quotes that sound extremely silly in and out of context
Rita Repulsa was more threatening than her.
@@ninjafrog6966 The Batman quotes
would’ve made sense if it was Kate Kane as Red Death since Kate and Bruce are cousins. But I figured they went with Ryan for consistency I guess since she’s the current Batwoman.
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@@Xehanort10 Oh shit! You know what? I wanna see her as Rita Repulsa in the next Power Rangers reboot. 😂
It is shocking to me that for a 13 episode final season, they spent nearly 1/3 of the season on filler episodes
one of those filler was good
@@thomaspanditfan2435 yeah, I'll give the Arrow episode a pass cause it's one of the only 2 good episodes this season
that ending monologue about not caring about the show anymore, more specifically the entire show, was actually pretty sad. As no more than an audience member, hearing that there were scenes at the start that still have emotional value that have been rendered insignificant by the shear size and quality drop of the show kinda gets to me. Knowing that the show had meaning and passion even if it was flawed, but now that it's finally over it has to be shut in a box and forgotten rather than remaining as a gem in ones mind, as it probably would have if it had finished years beforehand.
Idk I guess I never thought about a show or franchise being so dragged out and disrespected that there's no way to look back on the earlier days and love the simple times. It's just a shame that the later, inferior sludge of something once great has somehow infected the earlier entries with it's flaws, draining it of the love that fans once displayed instead of being righteously ignored and overlooked so that the fans can continue enjoying the earlier entries.
It kinda sounds like ones long and dangerous path to maturity and the tolls it takes. Not sure how that managed to be that deep lol
Congratulations, you just described the Star Wars fan base, the Star Trek fan base, most of the DC fanbase, the Doctor Who fanbase and the Marvel fanbase. If you think that monologue for a 9 season-long show was depressing, imagine living to see multiple ips that you have loved for DECADES become pathetic shells of themselves.
“Apathy is death. Worse then death.”
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 I mean Star Wars fans still love the earlier films, whether or not they can stand the modern ones. Fair point but I don't believe any modern soft reboots have truly exposed the flaws and laziness of their predecessors
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 Ehh, Doctor Who has always had it's ups and downs, we've come to accept it as a feature. The whole point of the show is that, like the Doctor themself, it carries on and changes over time, for good and for bad. We're gonna get RTD running the shown for the next few years, great stuff is coming.
And afterwards, who knows? But we know it will be different people and different stories. Maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll be bad. Who knows? But at this point Doctor Who, Marvel, DC, Star Wars, they're all sandboxes for creatives to try out new things. You'll get good stuff and you'll get bad stuff too. Theres no true authorship over them anymore, it doesn't belong to one artist.
@@Ted_Curtis Yeah, the decline happened to Doctor Who between seasons 21 and 25 (although you could argue that the slide had been happening since season 17), and it managed to rebound from that. NuWho started off pretty great (series 4 is a masterpiece, and the show in general was quite good from 2007 to 2011, and from 2015 to 2017). Like you, I have hope that RTD will make the show enjoyable again (although I suspect that will come with a slight over-reliance on nostalgia).
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 Okay, Discovery and Picard are pretty terrible shows, but Strange New Worlds is truly amazing (on par with the mid-90s era of Star Trek, I think), and you can really feel the passion for the franchise behind Lower Decks.
From the moment Eric Wallace was put in charge the show became his Cecile, Chester and Allegra fanfic.
Can't complain about not seeing sisko's reaction. Carlos not coming back is the only way this show could be forced from the outside to have any modicum of consequence to anything that happened at all. That and it minorly reduces how badly it stains his filmography so good for him. lol
The moment I finished this season, I needed this video to happen.
Such an embarrassing end.
"i am the true god of speed"
"nuh uh"
Am too
I still think that the Flash seasons 1 and 2 are still good. Outside of being an incompetent hero, the character work for Barry is really good. He gradually learned new skills as he learned how to use them responsibly. His regression arc in season 2 is particularly impressive. Of course, it’s ruined by season 3 only having Flashpoint for a single episode, but whatever.
The show also bothers to have interesting mysteries, which is nice, and especially in hindsight. Thawne-Wells’ dialogue is so well done, I can’t believe literally anyone from that season wrote even season 3. Zoom actually felt scary, like a speed demon or serial killer.
Beyond that, there was a sense of novelty and discovery within every new concept that I really miss. Metas felt cool, like each one had interesting powers that had their own strengths and weaknesses to be discovered. Time travel and the multiverse were still fresh concepts, and the characters reacted to the like any real person discovering them would. Along with that, everyone feels like they’re having a blast, probably because they are. The actors, and thus the characters, look like they’re having so much fun discovering this crazy new world.
Does anyone else think that Cobalt Blue suit looks a lot like a "what if a blue ranger was Lord Drakkon instead of Tommy Oliver" 🤔?
The Flash is The Power Rangers. All of the villains suits were basically Power Ranger Suits - especially Godspeed
@@williampearson6299 nah the old RF, zoom and savitar suits were actually good suits
@@jakubdrajewicz3737 Well the old RF suit never really fit Tom Cavanagh and it was pretty obvious every time he wasn't phasing. But it looked great on Matt Letscher.
@@williampearson6299 As someone who actually watches Power Rangers: You say this as if most Power Rangers suits, especially somehow ones like Mighty Morphin', don't actually tend to look pretty good. Most of the non-main villains up until the Neo-Saban Era however...
@@HOLDENPOPE I meant they look campy and cheesy. It's like they're wearing skin tight pyjamas in broad daylight and its it takes you out of it when their faces are exposed, you can't take them seriously
The thumbnail is not a lego figure of Cecile. My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
I gave up on the whole Arrowverse in 2018, I think. I just couldn't stomach the shows anymore. Flash was probably the worst offender.
A few years ago I genuinely thought we would never see the OG Barry stuff because of the same reasons you said. It wasn't our Barry.
Then we got it. I wasn't happy. I wasn't excited. I was sad. Not sad in the way that the Season 1 ending makes you sad. Just sad at what the show had become.
The Flash has always been one of my favorite DC characters and I was genuinely happy with the show for the first few seasons despite it's flaws.
Then it just kept going downhill. Now we're here. A place I never wanted to see this show. It's over and it didn't end with a bang, but a wimper.
I really don't like what the show became but I have a hard time hating it. I just feel sad. This show started at a rough time in my life and it brought me peace and joy when I needed it the most. Brought me closer with my partner and friends when I was so closed off and depressed. It was something that I genuinely looked forward to every week. It helped me.
Now this. It's genuinely heartbreaking because I don't think I'll even be able to watch the older seasons anymore knowing what it became.
It's an odd sensation to feel so sad over what this show became. I think it has to do with how I got emotionally attached to the Characters and the Show due to what I was experiencing. Watching what it became... It was like watching someone you love lose themselves to addiction and become unrecognizable. It's just heartbreaking.
It helps to watch it for the lens of a Hallmark show
You could maybe read fix it fanfiction. Fans basically rewrite the show to be better
I dream that the Barry who became Flash in 2020 still exists in the multiverse and that his version of events is a great story and my ideal version of the show, and Thawne changing it so we have to see this shit instead is his actual revenge on Barry
“I am the one true god of speed.”
“Nuh uh”
CW made The Flash talk no jutsu Cobalt Blue
S1 and S2 were excusable enough, it didnt hamper my enjoyment of it.
Wanted to add S3 started off decent, but the one thing that killed the hype was the constant holding back of the reveal
and the cop out near the end of the season where H.R dies instead. not that i especially liked H.R all that much, but having iris actually die would’ve made for a far more compelling season imo, especially since they gave her absolutely nothing to do after season 3 likely because they might’ve actually had the intention of having iris die but had to change the story around after they changed plans, which probably explains why everything after that episode goes downhill
@@ninjafrog6966we could've met Fiona after that, the gf Flash gets after Iris dies in the comics. I think that's her name
There are 2 thoughts I wanna put out here. Firstly, while Seasons 1 and 2 have some corny Arrowverse stuff and stupid things that make no sense if you think about it too much, it’s not really fair to call them bad. I’ve only recently stepped into this show after glimpsing over it for years just cause I never got round to it (I’m also in the UK so it’s trickier to get it here) and there’s even stuff I like about the whole first half of the show, but those first 2 seasons are genuinely heartfelt, gripping and intense compared to a lot of what we get later on. It can be hard to remember that for some people who are overwhelmed by what we have now, but we can’t forget the reason we fell in love with it in the beginning.
My second point is that I believe Grant Gustin still pulled it off somehow. If there was any heart and soul left in the show by the end, he was the only one who brought it and carried it on, and you can still see it all the way through. Despite how bad the writing got, he always gave the role his all and his acting and performance was consistently great. Huge respect and admiration to him, he will always be The Flash to me.
All the seasons were bad
@@benjtgseason 3 peak🗣️🗣️
@@1hpredkingtower432 I like to call what’s happening here the Drake effect or, more fittingly, the “ mediocrity effect " when something goes from mid to so goddamn awful that delusional fans or enjoyers of the midness lie to themselves subconsciously and start believing the older work is better than it actually was. It happens all the time, so I can’t blame you. But in reality, the Flash was, at best, an okay show. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@benjtgTo counter this comment, I have my own theory which I’ve seen quite a few others notice as well which is essentially the opposite of this, where if any shows or films we like start to go down in quality some people begin to convince themselves that it always sucked in the first place. The case has certainly happened here, where despite the first couple seasons of this show being genuinely alright people have begun to believe and claim it was terrible to begin with, forgetting about the stuff they used to love about it and only focusing on the worse bits. I’ve heard some crazy Star Wars fans start saying the original trilogy sucks just because they’ve let the more mixed projects from recent years get into their heads. It’s absurd and it’s honesty something that is more damaging and affects more people than your theory. I do agree with a lot of what you said and it is important to be critical of something you like, but there’s always something to enjoy from it.
@@doofusboy7054 I understand your point and mostly agree; it’s like two sides of the same coin.
The worst part of the flash was giving him a team. Like sure having kaitlyn, cisco, and wellsobard there made sense in season 1 because barry didnt understand his powers and he needed the help at the time but as the series progressed you would think that barry would grow as a character and need less help to take down the bad guys but no, they need to give screentime to other characters so barry has to always need help to take down the bad guys because cw cant think of any other ways for other characters to be on screen. Imagine if instead of spending every episode constantly having barry struggle to take out a regular villain they spent some amount of time having barry struggle to be the flash and barry allen while keeping his identity a secret. They do this a little bit but they never put it front and center unless they wanted to have a big melodramatic sequence where everyone gets mad at barry for something. Imagine if instead of everyone just getting pissed off we got to see the internal struggle within barry where he sees someone in trouble but cant act upon it without revealing his identity because hes out being barry allen which causes him to push away his duties as a regular person and focus on being a hero too much and risk losing his job or some relationships with people. Like that would be way more interesting than barry failing to catch villain #62 and the team being like "barry you failed and like 8 people died but its totally okay because you tried to talk them down instead of hurting them but next time we find them lets use this gizmo to temporarily reduce their powers and then handcuff them. Now run barry, run"
The only way the S1 Finale full circle could've worked without completely breaking the show is if it was told from the perspective of Thawne in flashbacks to how he remembers his origin to be.
didn't even recognize the video without a lego flash thumbnail
I literally feel like the "Akira" meme because of this show right now.
I like how it was easy to predict that Kaitlyn was coming back because nobody talked about her death in the show, only Frost's and they never held a funeral for her and the flash writers would never pass up the chance to milk a character's death so it was obvious the writers knew it would just be a time waster
46 Seconds ago!? Freeze, Sheev! There's nowhere to run!
Zoom was The writer's going? "What if we made venom into a speedster? But he was also the devil at the same time?"
He was pretty neato. Don't forget he was addicted to speed coke.
There was nothing wrong with zoom, now your just nitpicking, well pre the current zoom
More like, “What if you made a serial killer a speedster with a good idea of what he’s capable of.” He was the embodiment of fear and he was also very demonic, which made his character creative.
@@PessimisticRavensFam EXACTLY.
Thing is, bloodwork had comics tied in with the flash and I really enjoyed the episode where he came back. I think it fit perfectly with what it was meant to be
This honestly makes me so sad. So sad I want to cry. I loved The Flash. This show meant so much to me. The Flash has always been my favorite superhero as a kid and so when I was in middle school and found out they were making a Flash TV show, I was so excited. I remember watching the first season and being blown away. I loved the show. I loved the characters. I loved the flash. Seeing what it turned into, it makes me so sad.
This ending has made me Physically upset and basically left me with no closure.
Nora's birth gave you no closure? Barry basically is prioritizing marriage and fatherhood since he was robbed of family and been healing from that trauma. So he made new speedsters to focus on that
@williampearson6299 This show has been torturing me and my father for the last 6 years, and we have been hate watching it, hoping it would become better. It tormented and blue balled us so many times, we thought this nightmare would never end and refused to end it. it's cool if you like Nora being born and stuff, but this ending wasn't enough for me, especially for how bad and quarter hearted it felt.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242read fix it fanfiction. Helps me with disappointing endings
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 same here, I started watching the show with my dad and it progressively got worse and worse
I love characters in yellow who are recurring intelligent villains who always come back. I love them! -_-
The last episode should've been called "THERE'S NOWHERE TO RUN!!!!!!". Such a missed opportunity, man.
As someone who originally liked season 1 and 2 then stopped watching in whichever season Savitar was introduced (I can’t even be bothered to look it up) I appreciate the concise summary of how soulless the show has become. It’s nice to have confirmation that I was right in just giving up.
The audacity that the showrunner said he didn't have time for a Legends of Tomorrow ending lmao
Another thing about show writing thats often forgotten about is that they are collaborative effects, not solo. So rewrites while fun, often times feel hollow
It finally ended so I can finally rest in my bed after I just got discharged from the hospital from having cardiac arrest from Cecile beating Godspeed
19:31 that Barry was from earth 1s original timeline but with earth prime, the timeline we are in is now the original
0:46 super relatable man
Really sad to see how this show ended, My brother and I watched the show way back when it started and unfortunately we never did finish it but back when it started I wanted to watch all of it with him to bad it got so bad we stopped. Fuck you CW.
All the speedsters coming back to get rolled over without even a challenge by the B team is totally the boss rush in a Megaman game.
I think the reason why their made zoom look cheaper now, is because they wanted their new villain to look better. That is the wrong way to go about it, make characters better instead of bringing the previous back looking worse. I checked out after season 2, Wally just felt to angsty. I wanted to see Wally be more quick witted and funny, but he just felt like he belonged in Twilight
they made zoom look worse because a lack of budget
when it comes to time travel, Savitar did say the more you do it the less the rules apply to you. Thawne had probably done it so often that he could change major events without much repercussion. he edited the timeline so Barry becomes the Flash sooner without a mother, fills his life with tragedy, purely out of hatred. the OG timeline Barry was erased that night, and was instead replaced by our Barry, which is evident from Flash still saving young Barry. i reckon the timeline (past, future, present) is working all at once and always has been which is why speedsters can fuck up and change major things with or without consequence. if a speedster regularly changes shit, the timeline grows used to it and lets it happen. if a speedster doesn’t, the timeline rejects the changes. everything that happened that night was written and rewritten multiple times due to time travelling speedsters, to the point that the OG timeline cannot be brought back anymore.
8:50 "I... am the true god of speed" "nuh uh"
This final season was the biggest middle finger I’ve ever seen in Tv
The negative side of the speedforce is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural….
People thought I was over nitpicking when it came to the Original timeline: ruclips.net/video/9MQ8UTYdUU0/видео.html
I'm sad to see savitar die so easily in season 9, mainly because he is my second favorite flash villian behind opposite fast boy
Oliver wasn’t aware that he had created universes beyond Earth-Prime, therefore it’s evident that the process of him restoring existence wasn’t a completely conscious one. Also historically the Spectre serves the Presence, so yeah, there’s someone above him.
This was a tough pill to swallow as I grew up with the early seasons of this show; but I have to accept that the series was never good at all. The Flash works by himself, that’s how he’s always worked. Giving him a team was stupid.
besides for how bad its handled after the first seasons, on a tv series you cant have just him, its not how tv series works, a series with this structure has to have a "team flash", probably the best way to do it is not having too much characters to handle, the first season has a good balance for example
I dont think it was stupid in s1 this isnt og timeline flash so thawne has to teach about his powers and its all for thawnes benefit
why did all cw shows always have a team 💀
@@Pres100no it is stupid
The team is not necessarily stupid, what's stupid is that, at least in season 1, his team is a room full of supposedly geniuses, yet they all fail to point out that nobody except speedsters would be able to react if the flash just ran up to them, picked them up and carried them to star labs. Something he does occasionally, but never thinks to like... Always do, all the time.
Subbed, awesome stuff dude lol. At this point they should’ve just had Barry wake up from a fucking coma caused by the original lightening strike and make it all just a bad dream😂
9 fucking years
10 years. 2014 - 2023
The speedforce resseructed someone before.... Thawne.... In season 7.
True. And that was to Barry’s knowledge…
@@SheevTalks peak television
14:22 As an Arrow Fan that kinda enjoyed the ending
THANK YOU! I felt so pissed off to the fact that in the New Universe he created He created Copies to replace his Passed Loves ones, DESPITE 4 EPISODES AGO we spent an ENTIRE EPISODE on Oliver Learning to let go passed people 🤮
Oh, & BTW, Oliver didn't bring back ANYONE, is a Ben 10 Alien X-Aniquilar Scenario, He Simply created a copy of them & pretend nothing happens(& just like it was Horrendous in Ben 10 Omniverse, it was also Horrendous on Arrow)
In concept, I like the idea of bringing back every villain of a series at the very end; but like.. this has to be the most underwhelming way you could possibly go about doing that.
and they get defeated in seconds by the team flash B team
@@ninjafrog6966right, I was rooting for the villains by that point. If your audience wants the bad guys to win during a 9 season show finale, a LOT is going wrong
I have been a Comic Fan since the late 80's. I have always accepted that it can have pretty absurd Stories. As you pointed out not only did the Flash have a pretty good Story for a Comic TV Show, it had people who cared. Seasons 1 and 2 where great for what they where and I loved them for that. Season 3 I enjoyed until the end. That was when Characters started having changes done to their Personalities, and prior Rules where starting to be ignored.
Once Season 3 was done I knew it was over, and I stopped watching. Its sad because it was a great Show, and for what it was. It was enjoyable and entertaining. Its sad that they just seemed to stop caring.
16:25 I would like to point out, Killer Frost was Khione. Caitlyn's dad said as much during his like 1-2 episode arc.
So if Killer Frost is dead, Khione is dead. So who TF is this new girl?
An ass character who named herself Khione because yes
Apparently a goddess because of mysterious plot convenience reasons
There is a middle ground on the "Flash was never good" and "Flash dropped off between seasons 2 and 3"
They were at least trying to make it look cool and feel engaging with the first two seasons, it's noticeably better than the power-rangers fights in the later seasons - but it was always pretty plot-holey and inconsistent, and you just can't sustain a show like that for 9 years without the last few years feeling much weaker than the first.
After watching season 9 i laughed so hard I’m like i can’t wait to Sheev demolish this show
Guys, this isn{t the final season of the flash. this is "iris and friends", with guest starring Grant Gustin. as the flash. didn't yall hear? it's a spinoff from the flash.
Trust me you do not wanna linger on the time travel stuff, cause the more you do the more confusing it gets and the more confusing it gets the more frustrated you become from sheer inconsistency from this show
if I were to make a story with time travel, I would have clean and simple rules.
do not change a single thing in the past, do not kill something or someone way before they were meant to die, don't step on a fucking flower, do not do anything that can possibly change reality. observing things (without being seen) or tiny harmless pranks that do literally nothing, like moving someone's pencil a little because why not.
@@meinman7591 Sounds like a boring movie no offense, but if you wanna include time travel make it consistent and easy to understand or just don't include time travel at all
who said it would be a movie, but yeah
and the entire Arrowverse. According to Legends of Tomorrow, though it never directly states this, creating a Time Remnant should create a timequake. So shouldn't Mallus have been freed earlier? Possibly even freed during Season 2 when Thawne created that army of Time Remnants?
Just to be clear, there are 4 versions of "The Night of the Impossible", the night that barries mother died. This is because crisis rebooted the universe and altered things slightly, New52-style.
There is pre-flashpoint-pre-crisis. This is the one that setup flashpoint. Then there is post-flashpoint-pre-crisis. THIS is the one from the intro to the series with Original Timeline Barry. Then crisis happened and recreated most of the events that happened before crisis, but altered ever so slightly. Because of that, the events of "The Night of the Impossible" were recreated and altered. Now we have Pre-Flashpoint-Post-Crisis (never shown on-air) where it essentially is a recreation of the events the pre-flashpoint-pre-crisis events but with Finale barry instead of original timeline barry. Then finally we get post-flashpoint-post-crisis, which is the events we saw in the season finale.
That scene left me with a bunch of questions too. This is how it was explained to me.
Seasons 1 - 3: 😠
Seasons 4 - 9: 🤡
Well, Carlos DID want to come back, he has literally said this himself. Their schedules just didn't match up
They should’ve had a Barry vs Original Timeline Barry storyline. & before you say “Savitar already came”, let’s wonder how crazy it would be to have two good versions of Barry end up having to duke it out because Original Timeline Barry thinks our Barry’s timeline is wrong & shouldn’t exist. It would give Miguel O’Hara vibes 😂
I hate how the Savitar cgi suit looks absolutely awesome and then the actual prop suit is so large and chunky, it's so unintimidating when they swap to the prop costume
It may not have been a good episode, but seeing Oliver and Diggle get their goodbye (and our goodbye) made it worth.
I gave up on this show quite a few seasons ago, so watching this video was like a fucking acid trip. What the hell. Why. Why why why why. What- what even- WHAT THE FUCK IS ANY OF THIS?! OMFG.
The mission…the nightmares…they’re finally over😌🫡
Rest in Piss Arrowverse after 2018 🙏
Honestly, this goes way too hard.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 Thanks😁
definitely a different costume designer for zoom, that or they ditched the cgi for some of its effects because the eyes are no longer sunken in and the mouth isnt so much stretched looking like the mouth is fused shut so much as someone took a knife to the mask and cut some slits around the mouth, not the mention the glints of light in his eyes that made him look like an actual entity as opposed to a person in a suit looks more like someone wearing contacts, man looks like a cosplayer now
After he lost his original suit he had to order from Wish and didn't have time to find a better one
*18:58** You can CLEARLY SEE they didn't care, Grant STILL HAS THE GREEN LINES OF THE GREEN SCREEN, & he looks perfectly Daylight iluminated despite the place is at night*
Im happy that team cecile finally got a happy ending.
I didnt.
1:12 bro me too. I just rewatched them yesterday to remember that it never was good..
Bro this vid is great already
I tapped out after the aseason with savitar so thankyou for the follow ups
Regarding the whole Nora's death thing-
The moment reverse flash went to the past to kill Barry as a kid, he made Nora's death a fixed point. The original future flash we saw fight him in season 1 wasn't the one from season 9.
In seasons 1 and 2 that's show this scene, Barry and thawn arrive from a time portal together. Thawn wasn't transported here beforehand and had lunch with Barry or anything else we saw in season 9. So we STILL haven't seen the future flash beat thawn, because that can't happen anymore, even if it did originally.
Also, it's a brand new earth prime that didn't exist in seasons 1-4(?) after crisis, so it really can't happen anymore either.
So just like flashpoint flash and flashpoint reverse flash (season 2) coming in to stop pre-flashpoint flash (beginning of season two or end of season 1) from stopping the original thawn just... Became the new history, this season 9 Barry being the one who fights thawn and saves kid Barry just... Became the new history after crisis.
..... That paragraph physically hurt me
if the show bothered to explain it in a way that makes sense, we wouldn’t be here now. the problem with the show is how they never actually bother to explain this stuff in a way that actually makes sense with the show’s continuity, which has always been inconsistent even during the first 2 seasons of its run
also crisis being used as an explanation is a cop out whenever the writers can’t explain something that they themselves wrote
also crisis being used as an explanation is a cop out whenever the writers can’t explain something that they themselves wrote
@@ninjafrog6966 there's nothing really to explain that they haven't already.
They explained that stable time loops don't exist (ignore legends of tomorrow please), so any instance we see of time travel is a new thing happening then, as we see it. Not happening because it already happened.
.... That made no sense, did it?
Basically, the show has said multiple times that every instance of time travel either is so minor that nothing changes in the grand scheme of things (entire plot of season 3 with savitar up until the finale), or it is massive enough that it alters a "fixed point" and makes a brand new timeline (flashpoint and crisis both, as well as season 3 finale where iris doesn't die).
As long as Nora dies, Barry can travel to the past and give his baby self a wedgie. Since that's not a fixed point, and doesn't make a new timeline, he won't remember getting a wedgie because it doesn't actually happen in his personal history. The speed force just merges the "self wedgie" timeline and the "no wedgie" timeline into one, and since there isn't much conflict no one would ever notice. If instead he broke the legs of his baby self, the Barry we see do that would eventually remember that, on top of any other differences, as a new timeline is created and he travels back to the "new present" in this new timeline. If he stays in the past after the leg break, he turns into thawn who becomes an anomaly the timeline will try to correct in increasingly stupid ways.
So in this case, Barry from season nine can eat with thawn in the past before he kills Nora. Or he can go on a blockbuster binge. Neither really matter and neither will change the timeline as long as its not a major change.
That one aspect is basically the ONLY Thing related to time travel that is consist in the show, and something we've seen multiple times. Everything else changes on a whim, like time wraiths and the timeline hating speedsters (which is something basically everyone forgot was an established plot point)
@@noblesseoblige319was funny watching the two of them drinking beer together. I imagined the two of them getting drunk and then going to young Barry's house for their fight 😂
The Presence is above The Spectre in the DC universe and he exists (in Lucifer as the so called God) so I guess he is the one that only allows Oliver to do something when the multiverse is in the danger and didn't allow him to make the perfect multiverse without evil and sum shit
The first two seasons at least seemed like the team making it loved doing it. This just looked like CW had their balls in a vicegrip
Probably, considering how tight their suits looked
eddie bringing back other villians to not doing with that potential has me so mad. not to mention red death being a goofy red goblin costume. not to mention the thing with thawne going to kill barry yet its not older barry. WTF
The fight between Cecile and Godspeed was so ass. Cecile just puts here hands out and the clones just slip on a banana peel. I dont think i wouldve been shocked if there was just an editors note pasted across the screen for the vfx guys that says "insert 'cecile powers but somehow make it look like goo' here".
Of course the guy who's motivated by...trying to cure cancer is turned into a villain, can't make our "heroes" look ineffectual! Curing him of his cancer only so he spend decades in prison is especially wack though. Like, that's a sick thing for your "heroes" to be proud of regardless of context.
in season 1 2 and 3 there were 4 kills,2 by barry,1 by Joe,and one by Iris.She litteraly killed her own husband.
Honestly the whole Savitar thing would make for an interesting porno 🥴
I’ve been waiting for this video since the season ended
Fun Fact Sheev, Superman & Lois is made by the same executive producer (showrunner) who also worked on The Flash from S1, and was one of the showrunner of S2 to S5.
You're talking about Todd helbing, right?
@@eshaandwivedi4921 yeah, the other one was Andrew Kriesberg but I guess we all know what went down with him.
i think the end of Season 9 where current Barry stops his past self could've made sense if time travel worked like this:
the timeline can be changed, but only once
so basically
Barry's mom lives in Timeline 1
Thawne goes back in time and kills her, causing Timeline 2
Timeline 2 Barry goes back in time to stop Thawne from killing her, which would cause a slightly different Timeline 1 (Timeline 3)
this isn't physically allowed to happen, so future Barry stops his past self