Are Presbyterians "Evangelicals"?
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In my country The Philippines, It was the Presbyterians who started the Philippine Evangelical Church. At the start of the 20th century they met together and called the Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians and other Protestants to form the Philippine Evangelical Church. Evangelicals in the Philippines have been instrumental in bringing unity to the Body of Christ the Church. Today although there are different denominations, the Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches unites the denominations together. We also use Evangelism Explosion which was founded by D James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church a PCA Church.
Thank you Matthew, your segments are invaluable to Presbyterian worldwide
Glad you like them!
I don't like the term Evangelical. I am Presbyterian/ Reformed!
But Evangelical was the label the reformers and “Protestants” used to go by in the 16th century before independent baptists and Pentecostals ruined the label.
Thank you, brother.
I have greatly benefited from your work.
One of the most helpful distinctions was your video on telling Jordon Peterson to stop preaching the Bible or something to that effect. The term evangellyfish, makes complete sense, in terms of what itchy ears produce in the life of someone with one foot in the world's system.
'Be not conformed to this world' Romans 12:2
'Choose you this day' Joshua 24:15
I think that when we listen to those in a secular arena playing pastor, or simply sharing biblical principles, and we harken unto that type of Christian-ese, it is easy to fall into a JP, Ted Talk, evangellyfish, luke warm walk with the LORD. Don't even get me started on the chosen.
Thank you, pastor, for your faithful commitment to THE WORD.
Fantastic video, brother! This is one of your best ones!
Thanks my man!
@@MatthewEverhardhow do I defend infant baptism
Yes, extremely practical, almost forgotten, and to many young adults unknown frankly. I hope it goes viral in a Westminster Confessional, Presbyterian way:)
Thank you. Very informative.
When I saw your title my first thought was to answer the question Yes and No, but I could not have given a reason for my answer, now I can. Thank you. You alluded to this but I had one more thought and that is Evangelicals would say Worship = Music / singing, usually with some sort of “worship leader” standing with his band leading the singing for the first 20 minutes of the service. The music is almost always very contemporary, and gradually goes from very upbeat music to very slow, quiet music. That’s it… worship over, time for a sermon. This formula is certainly not what we would call worship. Our worship would encompass not only singing, but being led in worship by a pastor in the reading of scripture, prayer, personal confession of sin, the assurance of pardon, the singing of psalms and hymns with rich, sound theological lyrics, the preaching of the word, and the use of the sacraments. All of these things would be considered worship to us.
I’m Baptist. A few decades ago, circumstances pushed me toward a non-denominational church. Being in the mainline evangelical church scene I felt as though I fell asleep. Thankfully the Lord woke me up and I’m now in a church that teaches right from the Bible and actually believes their own doctrinal statement. The evangelical church does no such thing. Their statement of faith stated they believe in the trinity and that scripture alone is God’s word but hired a pastor that was a modalist and promoted the “hearing the voice of God” doctrine. I’m so thankful I’m out of that church. I’m definitely not evangelical by the current definition.
“Hearing the voice of god doctrine” what does this mean? Was the pastor just continuationist?
@@adrielgonzalez6923 “hearing the voice of God” is a popular teaching among mainline evangelicals that teach you can hear from and get revelation outside the scriptures. This supposedly happens during quiet times through thoughts and impressions. Some even take it as far as omen reading. For instance, getting a parking spot in front of the main entrance must have significant meaning and God is trying to communicate.
I appreciated your definitions, contrasts, and clear explanations. Is the Westminster Confessional kind of like catechism? An extra-biblical text.
The Westminster Confession is a relatively brief but comprehensive overview of Biblical doctrine and the way of salvation, along with some of the things that come before doctrine (how do we know the Bible is God's word...or that there is a God) and some of the things we can deduce from it (wisdom re: church and civil government). It comes with the Larger Catechism and the Shorter Catechism, which flesh it out further in a way that can be memorized and taken to heart. It is intentionally designed to only state what can be found in Scripture or clearly deduced from Scripture.
Excellent video and great explanation of evangelicalism and the differences between that and Presbyterians. Great point about evangelicalism being pragmatic. To me that point is a slippery slope of evangelicalism as it assumes God needs our help to get people in church and get saved because “it works therefore…”. Yep I am finding I am more and more Presbyterian by the minute. LOL
This was very helpful. I’m evangelical and I wanted to put that out there up front. That said I’ve never seen lasers and smoke in church. I don’t think Pentecostal outbursts are appropriate in a service. I do attend church, three times a week, and even teach expositorily, verse by verse, when my pastor needs a week off. We don’t have a denomination but rather a mix of folks from Baptist to missionary to ex-Catholics and more. I think when it comes to doctrine most evangelicals that I know consider things like the Westminster confession to be similar to Roman Catholic catechism, and even if not appropriate (and wrong to think in those terms), they think that starts crossing the line into papal authority types of issues. I do appreciate that PCA doctrines outlines things like how to discipline situations in the church. That would have come in handy many times. Again I thought this was a great explanation and I look forward to understanding Presbyterian more.
Pastor Matt, I have a quick question on pastoral ministry. How do you balance between being a scholar and pastoral ministry? To me, they seem like 2 full-time jobs but I wanted to know you do it.
@matthew everhard, what are the differences between "Presbyterian" and "Reformed" (including polity)? I probably need to rewatch your "Why I'm a Presby", huh?
Aside from baptism I agree on all points
Pastor Everhard, can you please do a video on baptism, specifically if a person should get rebaptised if when they originally got baptized, they never repented of sins or even understood what Jesus did for us on the Cross? (I was baptized over 13 years ago at a church that never taught about sinners needing to repent, and I never understood until I got saved in 2021....do I need to be rebaptised?)
You don’t need to be baptized again. It becomes effectual once the spirit regenerates you, but represented the promise of God to save his covenant people. Since you are now repentant it is effectual
WCF 28:6-7
The efficacy of baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered; yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongeth unto, according to the counsel of God’s own will, in his appointed time.
7. The sacrament of baptism is but once to be administered unto any person.
Additionally, baptism is something God does to you not something you do. You should look back at your baptism 13 years ago and feel humbled the God chose you even before you knew he had.
A 2022 history of Presbyterianism in America does a nice job of depicting the relationship between evangelical and Reformed convictions within the tradition over four centuries.
Book title please?
@@timcummiskey1178I wasn't sure if my comment would be acceptable if it contained a book title. I'll give it a try. It's called Reformed and Evangelical across Four Centuries: The Presbyterian Story in America.
@@jameswilson5621 thank you!
I love church history.
@jameswilson5621 Feldmeth is great!
I took a couple classes of his in 2009.
“You don’t remember being baptized so you need to be baptized again”??
I don’t remember being circumcised, but I’m sure not going to try that again! As a reformed Baptist I think you should be baptized by emersion as a believer. But that is not necessary for salvation, only to be an officer in the local reformed Baptist church.
I confess the LBCF so I cannot be an officer of the OPC church of which I am a member. No problem, I agree with that.
Doctrines are important, too. Studying the WCF and/or the LBCF make one more knowledgeable about our relationship with God and keep one from falling for false teachings.
Great video on explaining the reformed view of evangelism.
Covenantal, confessional, and are the hallmarks of Evangelical Christianity in Europe, or at least were a couple of decades ago. To me, pastor Everhard is not describing real "Evangelicalism", the evangelicalism of Spurgeon, Martyn Lloyds-Jones, etc., but an altered and watered down form of evangelicalism specific to the USA, which is unfortunately being exported everywhere else!
Not so sure about the "born again experience/conversion experience" part pastor. My wife, for instance, grew up in a Christian home and believed in Christ her whole life as far back as she can remember. She has never had a "conversion experience" like I have, being raised in a family that did not go to church. She says she has just always believed, and never doubted Christ and His saving work in her life. I know of several other Christian's in the Reformed tradition who say the same thing. They went to church from infancy and always accepted the truth of the Bible and Christ's saving work on the cross.
Okay. 1) to have a view of the scriptures as the Word of God.
2) adherence to the cross of Jesus Christ as the saving event by which God forgives people of their sins
3) some form of conversion or "born-again" experience
4) people who want to share the Gospel around the world
Those are the Gospel Basics, folks . . . that pretty well covers every Religious title there is, doesn't it . . . so why are we always in disagreement, breaking away & forming new churches over & over again????
I think much of which you are describing as "evangelical" is actually American evangelicalism as it is practiced in some non-denominational churches. It does not describe evangelicals in such denominations as Baptists, Assembly of God, Evangelical Anglicans, etc.. It doesn't describe all non-denominational churches either.
Some of the practices you described such as lasers, smoke, and guitar solos are not common in my experience. I've been in lot of different evangelical worship services but have never seen any of these. I'm sure it exists somewhere but I've never seen it.
You are certainly correct to point how the media uses the term evangelical to try to equate it with white racism.
The term "evangelica"l has evolved far from what it originally meant.
Thank you. As a Reformed believer, I have recognized that the word “evangelical” has become confused in the U.S.. I no longer describe myself as an evangelical as a general description, preferring “confessional Protestant.”
Do you believe in the FINISHED and complete work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. We cannot lose that FINISHED gift of salvation
Back in the early 1900s my mom was raised by a Presbyterian preacher Dad
She always said that she didn't believe he was even saved.
She was saved later in life just by hearing the gospel ---- not any religious organization
Confessional Protestant - a term close to what works…
As a follower of your channel from the UK, it would be helful to understand why Donald Trump appeals to evangelicals in the USA.
Most presbyterian churches are liberal. One had rainbow flag. Although there are sincere ones to make a blanket statement might be leading people to the wrong place
Our short-attention-spanned culture and society unfortunately changes the meanings and definition of words and terms. It makes me sometimes understand the idea behind not translation the Latin into English to prevent such poor hermeneutics; however, even the latin language didn't prevent papal heresy... I am still trying to get through Berkhof's "Manual" (for high school/young college students).
OPC historian and Machen scholar extraordinaire D.G. hart has coined the term Paleo-Protestant to refer to Protestants who are neither liberal nor evangelical. He has a podcast with fellow members of the history faculty at Hillsdale College, one an LCMS minister and one an ACNA layman, called the Paleo-Protestant Pudcast.
Increasingly this Presbyterian turned Anglican identifies as a Paleo-Protestant.
I prefer to think and present myself as a Born Again Christian. In my church I sometimes see brothers and sisters more preoccupied with being Presbiterians than being Christians. Too much focus on the denomination.
What do you mean by "conversion experience?" A Holy light appears? A single moment forever remembered as "THE" moment Jesus saved you? I'm asking because false churches promote the idea that our salvation does come as moments like this and if I don't have an experience like this, then I am not saved. Reformed churches do not promote such ideas because scripture doesn't declare this-though the apostle Paul's conversion was every bit like this. However, Nicodemus came to faith eventually but it is not recorded when or how.
I don't know if I am one of God’s called or not. I had the hell scared out of me at a church camp at 10 years old and received Jesus as my Saviour but the next day wondered where the love of God was in that. Then, at 12, I believe Jesus came and sat with me, not in bodily form but just pure joy, and I knew it could only come from Him so I say He came and sat with me. At 15, through a tract, I believe He answered a question I had about Him. Other "moments" like this I've had. None made me see my sin nor understand Jesus as my savior from sin. I attended a few churches growing up but no one seemed to truly believe what they taught so I didn't go anymore.
At 25, I became a mom and wanted our family to attend church. My husband chose an AOG church. I grew nervous and confused because there were things they did that either scripture clearly taught against or wasnt represented by Christ Himself. The worst moment of my life occurred then and this "church" abandoned me completely.
I discovered Pastor John MacArthur through an article he wrote during the pandemic on keeping churches open and I was blown away by how much scripture he used and how he stuck to only what the Scriptures said. For the first time in my life, I'd finally heard someone teach me the Word of God.
That being said, I didnt even know what trusting Christ was. I had faith in my faith-not Christ. Did that mean I wasn't saved until that moment? Another moment more recently revealed that Id never been actually obeying Christ, that I've never done anything out of love for Him. If I were truly born again, I'd have done that from the beginning, right?
All these years and I still dont know if I'm saved. Sorry for the long post, but I just want to know if salvation is a sensory experience or an assent to Christ through the mind, which I've heard argued that mental faith isnt always saving faith.
Do Presbyterians believe in the Prosperity Gospel? I'm looking at a Presbyterian Church to attend but if they believe this , then , no way
I consider myself an evangelical but it seems to me that "pragmatism" should be foreign to evangelicalism, and certainly it was when I converted to Christianity 40+ years ago in Britain. As for individualism, it's a question of balance and the covenantal aspect of a Christian fellowship is really important.
If the doctrine of Election is an absolute, when God knows who he will save why should we evangelize. Is it not God calls those whom he knew before the world existed. In Psalms 139 God formed us and knew us in our mother’s womb. He’s all knowing of who he loves and hates. So we don’t lead anyone to Jesus if God calls? Your opinion please I really believe you are very educated on doctrine of the Bible! I don’t belong to any church but think the PCA seems like a church I could attend B/c I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God. Thank you for your insights.
Why evangelize? (1) Because we're commanded to (Matt. 28:19). (2) Because while God ordains the ends (i.e., who will be saved), he also ordains the means (i.e., they'll be saved through the preaching of the Word, Rom. 10:14-15). (3) Because while God knows exactly whom he has chosen, we do not, therefore we preach the gospel to all creation (Mark 16:15).
I agree that heart-following is dangerous. And I agree with personally not watching The Chosen. I tried to watch it a long time ago, and I heard the “Jesus” character tell someone “follow your heart.” I can’t imagine Jesus saying that! It bothered me. The Bible says “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?”
I’ve always felt like evangelicals were the television preachers.
My suspicions are that Evangelical Christianity is rooted in Baptist credo-baptism assumptions. Credo-baptism implies that recipients of water baptism must first have certain Christian beliefs as a prerequisite for baptism. This promotes the idea that each water baptism is just a fruit of first having Christian beliefs. Because Presbyterians hold to paedo-baptism beliefs, they have (sometimes at the subconscious level) views that water baptisms promote the right beliefs, and are not normally the result of the right beliefs. If water baptism is the beginning of a salvation process, then this suggests that salvation is caused by a series of lifetime events associated with gradual stages of repentance and proper beliefs that are brought about by the graces of God that commenced through baptism.
Hope is my favorite virtue and I loved identifying as “evangelical” when it was widely understood as “of the good news”. Sadly, it’s basically a slur nowadays. “Presbyterian” is fine, but being identified by ecclesiology is so much more boring! :(
Evangelicals are vanilla? No, no, that's not right. Birthday cake confetti ice cream is the analogy you're looking for. I could even see a Keith Foskey episode titled "The Denominations Service Ice Cream."
I'd say Presbyterians would offer the plain vanilla. 😊
Come on bro, don’t throw in everyone else with seeker sensitive/mega churches. There’s plenty of confessional Baptist churches that don’t practice any of the things you’ve mentioned. Likewise, there’s many charismatic churches that gather with meager means every Sunday and serve the Lord faithfully. If we don’t want the media to lump in every saint as typical evangelicals, it’s probably best we don’t do the same with those outside our tradition.
The OT says no to images of God too.
Pastor Matt. I think that the way in which you call all Christians, sinners is not helpful. Are we not new creations in Christ.2cor5:17? I do recognize that we continue to sin , yet the old self has died with Christ on the cross Rom6:6. In both instances where Paul calls himself a sinner and a wretched man…. This is personal. A place that each of us needs to come to . However Paul,Peter,John nor Luke never come right out and call their readers,’sinners’! I would suggest that there is good reason for that. Telling children to stop a certain behaviour is like daring them to do it and they will try. Telling Christians that they are sinners has a similar effect. Perhaps challenging them to live like new creations would be helpful. I also acknowledge that the apostles did address sin in the Christian’s lives. But how that was done needs to be studied. I apologize that I’m off topic, but this gets me very riled up. As for the topic . My first reaction to the title of your talk was, of course reformed, myself, and Presbyterians are evangelical as per the definition you provided. Thanks for the explanation.
But we are. Yes, we are new creations, yes, we are freed from bondage to sin, but our sinful nature is not completely destroyed until eternity. We continue to sin because we continue to be sinners. And if that is true (and it is), then it is "helpful" to say it. Like all other truths, it needs to be handled rightly; "we're all still sinners so sin is no big deal" is not handling it rightly. But neither is "a Christian should expect to attain a state of sinless perfection." If Paul was as far from that as he was in Romans 7, there's no reason to expect that any other Christian will achieve that.
@@danbrown586 I think you fail to understand that sin is rebellion against God. Then it is a big deal. A huge deal. To make light of this rebellion is saying that Adam and Eve’s fall into sin is no big deal. I hope you get to see my point, brother? I agree with you that a Christian should not expect to attain a state of sinless perfection. I also agree with you that we are freed from bondage to sin , but our sinful nature is not completely destroyed until eternity. I like how you state that reality. But how can we be new creations and sinners at the same time? Can we be sinners in Christ? See the conflict? I can’t explain it all, still struggling to find a good way of explaining it!?
@@peteverhelst2088 I do not fail to understand that, nor that that's why sin is such a big deal. Such a big deal that the only just punishment is eternity in hell. Such a big deal that the only way we could be forgiven is for God himself to take on flesh and suffer and die to pay the penalty for it.
And yet we, bought by the blood of the Lamb, still sin. Why? Because we want to. And why's that? Because we still have a sinful nature. So what are we, who continue to sin on account of our sinful nature, if not sinners? Redeemed sinners, yes, but still sinners.
I don't know that I have a better way of explaining it either, but I can't think of a more accurate way to describe a person who sins on account of sinful nature than a sinner.
Leaving my non-denominational chirch purely for distance/fellowship reasons. Its a great church. Currently stuck choosing between a LCMS (closest), non denom church (couple minutes further down the road), and PCA (15 minute drive by highway).
Trying to consider distance to give us less of an excuse to not get involved
PCA and LCMS are the 2 better choices. I would study the difference between the two denominations.
No!
This video was very disappointing. You caricature all evangelicals in the worst possible way to then criticize them. You slander many brothers and sisters in Christ.
Came here to say the same thing. Love this channel but this one’s a miss to me.
The biggest Pres denomination is apostate
I typically love what you have to say on your channel and what you choose to focus on. However, I have to call you out on some of the misrepresentation here. At 7:03 in your video, using The Chosen as an example, you say "If you like it you're probably an Evangelical, if you have concerns about it you might be Presbyterian". I'm sorry, sir, but this is such a dangerous and lazy generalization and textbook example of a false dichotomy. Now I dislike the surface-over-substance mainline Evangelical churches (and The Chosen for that matter) as much as anyone does but statements like these are misleading and I know, based on my love for your logic and your attention to truth, that you would take exception if one were to use similar statements lumping the PCA into such a divisive trend and calling it fact.
I say this to encourage you. Your content is usually spot on. Keep up the good work. 'Till all have heard.
I heard the catch in your voice - you almost said "psalms" instead of hymns and psalms. You're almost there - come over to the dark side. It's purer over here 😂
Modern evangelicalism is almost equivalent to the term "baptist". Phrases like "You must be born again", "I've been saved", and "You need to be saved" are common in baptistic circles. Reformed thought is focused on covenant union with Christ, which is not necessarily individualistic or focused on a conversion experience. I would not consider Dutch reformed or reformed presbyterians as evangelicals for this reason.
Evangelical means to evangelize as we are all called to go unto all the earth and preach the gospel to all creatures. Generic /fake evangelical is not evangelical. Evangelical means to evangelize, be an evangelist.
I am Pentacostal and i will not watch the chosen or be any part of the crazy stuff you are mentioning. I think you are putting evangelical on people/ so called churches that are looking more like freak shows. No you follow the Holy Spirit
It boils down to Reformed Presbys vs Graham/Sunday/Rodgers Evangelicals
The Classical Protestants need to take back the term Evangelical from all the mega-churches and Pentecostals who hijacked it.
As reformed, I think we need to distinguish ourselves from evangelicals. At the same time, we need to be encouraging our reformed Baptist brethren to move toward paedobaptism
I am not aware of any command or example of baptizing babies or children too young to understand. Baptism is for believers.
@@Yesica1993 It’s crystal clear when you examine the exodus on the typical level and then compare it to all of the converting “households” in Acts. And if the issue of restricting it to adult believers were as important as baptists claim, it would have been clarified by the apostles - which clearly it never was because we cannot identity a time in the very early church when infant baptism was not practiced. Moreover, you have verses like 1 Cor 7:14 - if those children are holy, you baptize them!!
I don't have time to look it up right now, but as I said, I am not aware of any example of babies/young children being baptized.
As long as they don't claim it saves this child, I guess people are free to do it. My former church (lost during Covid) did it. But they always clearly explained it was NOT for salvation. It didn't happen that often, and they never made a big deal of it, so I just went with it. .@@PaDutchRunner
@@Yesica1993 I definitely object to any notion of baptismal regeneration- you are correct to make this crucial distinction. Guys like Doug Wilson step dangerously close to these waters.
I think “reformed” Christians should claim the “evangelical” label for themselves again since that’s what Calvin and Luther both used to label themselves as. “Lutheran” “Calvinist” those were labels the papists placed upon the “Protestants”
Speaking as someone who was raised in a Presbyterian Church, the answer is no. Calvinism is in direct conflict with what evangelism really is. Presbyterians hide behind predestination as a lazy way to get out of proselytizing the Gospel.
Speaking as someone who came up in modern American evangelicalism as a Baptistic-Arminio-Dispy and has become a conservative Presbyterian this is incorrect. While there certainly are people who use doctrine as a shield in reality that is a distortion of the doctrines of grace. Calvin himself was quite active in training and supporting evangelistic efforts and throughout history that tradition has continued.
What is different is that Presbyterians do not make evangelism the focus of the Lord's day worship service. Presbyterians also tend not to operate in panic mode when it comes to evangelism.
Historical Calvinist denominations did evangelize and spread the gospel to the nations, but modern day Reformed churches have gotten very lazy or don’t care about evangelism.
@@YourBoyJohnny94 I could make an equally valid claim that Arminians don't care about discipleship but that would also be overly broad.
ARP, OPC, CREC, and PCA all have active foreign and home missions programs as well as encouraging and equipping members to be ready to give an answer as they go about their daily lives in the world.
The Calvinist view on predestination is more reason to spread the gospel. I’ve never understood why people have this misconception about Calvinism, unless you have only heard some form of hyper Calvinism, which isn’t really Calvinism.