The Shire becomes Sam's garden. A garden the size of a realm. Not because of a ring but because he sets out to restore his home. He gets all the glory the ring promises because he rejects the glory it promises
Your last point about him deciding not to fall for the endless ambition, which apart from "fantasy" he also sees as wrong... There is so much wisdom packed there. His love and selflessness are an example of what truly matters. We need more of that in this world. Knowing what truly matters and deciding to ignore our ego for the love of others and the recognition of our human limitations and flaws. Thanks so much for highlighting this scene!
The temptation of Master Samwise illustrates the increasing power and desperation (?) of the Ring as it nears Mount Doom. Sam's vision is so on the nose and obnoxious it becomes easier to thwart by good Hobbit sense.When back around Frodo's neck, the Ring turns the intensity up to 11. By the time the Hobbits attempt to cross the plain of Gorgorth, the Ring has dropped all pretense of subtlety and injects itself into Frodo's mind and vision relentlessly as a blazing wheel of fire.
"injects itself into Frodo's mind and vision relentlessly as a blazing wheel of fire" Did not know that. Is that why on that scene, frodo said that there was nothing between him and the wheel of fire? Interesting
Great comment, thank you. Two observations on the crucial "one small garden" line: 1. At the moment, he is not "a free gardener"; I mean quite apart from the peculiar situation of accompanying Frodo on his quest. He is a free hobbit obviously, the Shire does not know slavery, but the garden he tends is not his; so, not what we would call a free gardener; he is an employed gardener. Thus, he does have his ambitions; when he is going to settle down with Rosie (he is quite clear it is going to be her), he will want to support her at a level a bit above his present one. Only that this ambition is not quite beyond the pale, is still within the region of what you would expect a successful gardener to actually achieve. Actually, that was what may for brevity's sake be called Galadriel's temptation: "go home, with a bit of garden of my own". Of course, he eventually gets a free garden of his own, in the most fulfilling (and convenient) manner possible: he becomes the heir of his beloved master. 2. "not a garden swollen to a realm". But, like Solomon, he also eventually gets the things he *didn't* ask for; as a reward for wisely not asking for them. The reorganized Shire pretty much *is* a garden swollen to a realm (if one of medium size), and Samwise pretty much *is* its ruler; certainly it is he who is responsible for it becoming so much of a garden.
YES! I've been saying this forever but I always seemed to be the only one who noticed how the music cue in the Rankin-Bass film, when Sam nearly claims the Ring, is downright perfect in how it builds tension, so that by the time you get the shot of his quivering hands as he almost puts the Ring on, you're sitting fully upright and your heart is racing. I especially love how the theme comes across like an extension of the "Bearer of the Ring" song which comes right before it. It's a terrible shame we don't have a release of the complete soundtracks for the Rankin-Bass adaptations. Really, that whole scene is amazingly done. There's even a possible reference to the then-newly released Silmarillion in the "garden of my delight" line. The only thing I would change is, maybe they shouldn't have given Sam a line of what, in the book, is Tolkien's prose. "I can feel you change as we draw nearer to the great furnaces where, in the depths of time, you were shaped and formed!" It's AMAZING as narrative, but just sounds silly as a line of dialogue.
Sam always had the notion that the errand was too great for him. But only after this part in which he uses the Ring and feel its temptation and its weight by himself that he actually realises how strong Frodo must be to deal with that.
Yes it is a great scene, as you say so much subtlety in a few lines. I feel that Sam and Faramir, in very different ways, are the wisest characters in the book and they both, again in very different ways, reject the Imperialistic urge and the domination of others. Within their own spheres, they also show the humility you mention, Faramir has a wonderful line In response to Gollum's, so very just, so very wise, comment, 'not very wise perhaps, but just yes, as far as our little wisdom allows'.
Faramir represents to some extent Tolkien as a member of the officer class in WW1 and Sam, the rural working man, whose courage and plain common sense the professor came to greatly admire and to understand as true nobility and courage.
Sam chiefly is loyal, humble and has his plain Hobbit-sense, as Tolkien put it. I wouldn't call him especially wise starting out, as wisdom is related to knowledge, planning and seeing the bigger picture which Sam isn't amazing at. But Sam's rejection of the Ring's temptation and learning of pity for Gollum (albeit too late) definitely shows he grows in wisdom in Frodo's footsteps.
Such a scene gives quite a lot of insight. It highlights some of Sam's character, it underpins just how taxing Frodo's task is and it even sheds some more light onto Smeagol. Sam's initial rejection of the visions is down to a very Hobbit reasoning. Hobbits being simple folk that don't want for much (Much of this is highlighted in The Hobbit as well as Fellowship). As such this reveals how un-Hobbitlike Smeagol initially was when he took the ring, it's like he was already Gollum before the Ring, this includes his weakness to the ring (Since we see that Bilbo, Sam and Frodo are all able to part with it willingly even after wearing it) It's a seemingly small scene but it does underpin some significant points about these characters and Hobbits as a whole.
“THE CHOICES OF MASTER SAMWISE” is one of the very best chapters in the LotR! I was reading that chapter YESTERDAY (my 217th time reading the LotR) Of course Sam’s ordeal goes on in BOOK SIX (in “THE TOWER OF CIRITH UNGOL”), but it’s amazing how Tolkien can put us inside the simple mind of Sam.
This is indeed a wonderful subtle and important scene, which indeed does show once again how Sam is the goat. I think here it shines through how much he as an officer in the First World War came to admire and understand the nobility of the humility and courage found in the rural working class. One does not have to agree with his ideas of people belonging in their places to admire and understand this. Just one thing worth noting, since I moved to Norway I have gotten a better appreciation of some language points. We have a word meaning horrible,gruesome, rotten etc. fæl. I do not know that they have the same robot in language but the Word gives an appreciation of the word fell, meaning about the same. Great stuff as ever. Thanks and keep up the good work.
I've always thought it'd be effective for the Ring to cast doubt on Gandalf's motivations. When he puts on the Ring, Sam "realizes" that Gandalf has been lying about its dangers out of jealousy. For some reason (likely related to Gandalf being a Maiar, which Sam senses in some way), Gandalf can't use the Ring himself and he wants it destroyed out of spite and pride rather than see a mere mortal use it to become greater than him. The vision wouldn't and shouldn't make Gandalf out to be a bad guy. The vision simply shows Gandalf has proposed a very risky course to defeat Sauron rather than take the more sensible course of allowing humble Sam to become Samwise the Great.
That scene in Rankin Bass is a key example of why, unlike jackson, Rankin/Bass get the villains rigth, mainly the ring. Moreso, using that scene, the one where Sam intimidate am orc into falling to his death and the line "I am not the ring's, the ring is mine!" We can show a hint of how dangerous the ring really is.
First, I love that part in the book, but we all know that PJ couldn't show that , because as soon as Sam puts a ring we would all know, oh, good , the ring is safe, orcs and Sauron didn't get it. It would took out that powerful scene when Frodo said "They took the ring" and Sam said " I beg your pardon, but they didn't". Also, there was not just desire for the ring, but also a fear in Sam's eyes and it was beautiful. First, it happened after the scene when he bravely put out many orcs just to reach Frodo, and now we all know why he was that brave, without any hesitation. So at one point he was thinking to keep the ring to stay that way, but in the same moment he saw what he did to Frodo.. It's right there infront of his eyes, so he doesn't want to keep it so he won't become like Frodo, but , on the other hand , he doesn't want to give it back to him , because he doesn't want to hurt him more.. And that all happened in one second of that scene and I loved it very much also. Both ways were perfect.. one for literature and one for cinema.
In the books, when Sam picks Frodo up on the slopes of Mt. Doom it says when Frodo is lifted by Sam, so it seems the burden of the ring was also lightened. I always felt this was some reference to Sam's strength in rejecting the ring, not just his strength in carrying Frodo.
I loved this in the book, and when Return of the King (Peter Jackson) came out, I was looking forward to seeing it, and missed it. I also thought the rendering of Sam’s rescue of Frodo from the tower was much less impressive than the book described. It would have been epic just to follow the text. AMBA
Strongly agree with you, as usual. Including this scene in Peter Jackson's movies would have been infinitely preferable to the made-up "share the load" nonsense that wasted so much time and ended up turning off some non-Tolkien viewers. As a kid, I didn't like the Rankin Bass version of the scene because it was cheesy and i knew what was going to happen anyway. But I can see your point about it being well done in terms of the music and the imagination that went into it. To this day, I still believe the Rankin Bass Hobbit is the best Tolkien adaptation out there.
Speaking of temptation, would anyone else like a vid to compare and contrast the Mirror of Galadriel scene from the book, PJ tril, and the Bakshi film. I just watched the Bakshi version last night, and forgot how much I love this scene in here. Even if it's a bit shorter and more simple.
Jackson sacrificed that, and Sam's decision to take ring off of his (seemingly) dead master and shoulder the burden of the quest himself, pretty much for the sake of a bit of tension that the Orcs maybe have the ring (though they seem more concerned with Frodo's pretty shirt). Seems like a poor trade off to me, but on the other hand I can see that those scene that are full of internal dialogue might be difficult to film without voice over, or have Sam speak aloud to himself. To do that well - to not go corny, like Rankin/Bass embraces wholeheartedly - would require subtlety, which often isn't Peter's strength.
@@di3486 Yeah, that's what I was wondering, though it doesn't stop him from indulging in skull avalanches and tyrannosaurus on gorilla acrobatics. 😄 I also wonder if there might be deleted scene(s) where he attempted it, cut it, and still thought it wouldn't work in the extended edition (he says there's some), like how we see the silent watchers at the gate, but they seem to do nothing.
Does the ring ever try to tempt Frodo? When he puts it on it's usually under pressure from the Nazgul, not the ring itself. Boromir is tempted by victory & glory, Sam by the Mordor garden, Gandalf and Galadriel by the chance to right wrongs, but Frodo? Is there nothing about him that the ring can latch on to?
When Frodo’s tempted by the Ring, it’s usually in situations that, if he had put It on, the Ring would be revealed. If the Ring was somehow “sentient”, it was in the sense that It wanted to go back to Its Master.
Your aside criticism of most politicians' lust for power as a primary goal is appreciated. People who want to govern should be seeking better ways to do it, which ideally would require less effort and resources as it's refined (think Judo), and with personal power or even simply the power of office being only a means to that end. Unfortunately, too many in office are either desiring power to fill some general sense of helplessness or lack of personal worth, or unable to think of means of governance that don't require ever-increasing levels of influence and authority that they wind up striving for power first to retain as a resource for what becomes their incidental jobs. If this began to change in a given society I believe that said society would enter a renaissance such as our world has yet to witness. I'm sure this a common sentiment and my stating it is redundant, but I really appreciate Tolkien's inclusion of it in his work.
That's not exactly correct (if memory serves me right). Boromir also gave up on the ring (though he fell later to temptation) after being told, just like Sam did after being called upon.
@@franzrogar No. Boromir never had the ring, and his last act toward Frodo was trying to take it from him. He may have made an act of redemption by trying to protect Pippin and Merry, but it's hardly the same ballpark.
@@franzrogar I think Frodo drops it, in the Peter Jackson films, and Boromir picks it up, but with everyone staring at him, returns it to Frodo, but never in the book. I'll be corrected quick enough if I am mixing up something there.
@@stephenleggett4243 you and @Poe Territory are partially right and I was wrong. Frodo falls indeed, but the rings is never dropped. It's an addition in the Jackson films. Boromir, though, wakes Frodo from a deathly sleep freeze later on still on Carathras. This' a proof that I need to re-read TLOTR soon...
I think Jackson left this one out because Frodo already looks like wimp compared to Sam in the movies. So if Sam would have shown to be able to resist the temptation and Frodo would fall for it in the end, non-bookreaders would despice Frodo even more. I'm not saying it still isn't pity that the scene was omitted. It gives a lot to Sams character. 🙂
Frankly the lack of this particular scene along with how poorly done the 'Riders of Theoden' scene is, are two of the primary reasons I dislike Jackson's movies.
Here’s a link to the scene he kept mentioning m.ruclips.net/video/1PE-5ETUtW4/видео.html I just love all sorts of stuff about it like Sam’s literally enlarged shadow he’s not joking it’s a greatly good adaptation all things concodered
Peter Jackson’s LOTR films are entertaining and were impressive…but as a massive fan of the books, there are changes he made that I hate…and many changes/omissions which were absolutely needless. Frankly, the Legolas and Arwen stuff throughout the films makes me cringe…and they did “Faramir” dirty…major changes with his stuff in the story :/ And I think the Helm’s Deep and Pellenor Field battles were just awful… I like the movies overall - but can’t consider them faithful to the books 😢
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The Shire becomes Sam's garden. A garden the size of a realm. Not because of a ring but because he sets out to restore his home. He gets all the glory the ring promises because he rejects the glory it promises
Your last point about him deciding not to fall for the endless ambition, which apart from "fantasy" he also sees as wrong... There is so much wisdom packed there. His love and selflessness are an example of what truly matters. We need more of that in this world. Knowing what truly matters and deciding to ignore our ego for the love of others and the recognition of our human limitations and flaws. Thanks so much for highlighting this scene!
The temptation of Master Samwise illustrates the increasing power and desperation (?) of the Ring as it nears Mount Doom. Sam's vision is so on the nose and obnoxious it becomes easier to thwart by good Hobbit sense.When back around Frodo's neck, the Ring turns the intensity up to 11. By the time the Hobbits attempt to cross the plain of Gorgorth, the Ring has dropped all pretense of subtlety and injects itself into Frodo's mind and vision relentlessly as a blazing wheel of fire.
The desperation of the ring is quite an image!
"injects itself into Frodo's mind and vision relentlessly as a blazing wheel of fire" Did not know that. Is that why on that scene, frodo said that there was nothing between him and the wheel of fire? Interesting
great description about how the ring makes him feel like an enlargened shadow of himself
Great comment, thank you.
Two observations on the crucial "one small garden" line:
1. At the moment, he is not "a free gardener"; I mean quite apart from the peculiar situation of accompanying Frodo on his quest. He is a free hobbit obviously, the Shire does not know slavery, but the garden he tends is not his; so, not what we would call a free gardener; he is an employed gardener. Thus, he does have his ambitions; when he is going to settle down with Rosie (he is quite clear it is going to be her), he will want to support her at a level a bit above his present one. Only that this ambition is not quite beyond the pale, is still within the region of what you would expect a successful gardener to actually achieve.
Actually, that was what may for brevity's sake be called Galadriel's temptation: "go home, with a bit of garden of my own".
Of course, he eventually gets a free garden of his own, in the most fulfilling (and convenient) manner possible: he becomes the heir of his beloved master.
2. "not a garden swollen to a realm". But, like Solomon, he also eventually gets the things he *didn't* ask for; as a reward for wisely not asking for them. The reorganized Shire pretty much *is* a garden swollen to a realm (if one of medium size), and Samwise pretty much *is* its ruler; certainly it is he who is responsible for it becoming so much of a garden.
YES! I've been saying this forever but I always seemed to be the only one who noticed how the music cue in the Rankin-Bass film, when Sam nearly claims the Ring, is downright perfect in how it builds tension, so that by the time you get the shot of his quivering hands as he almost puts the Ring on, you're sitting fully upright and your heart is racing.
I especially love how the theme comes across like an extension of the "Bearer of the Ring" song which comes right before it. It's a terrible shame we don't have a release of the complete soundtracks for the Rankin-Bass adaptations.
Really, that whole scene is amazingly done. There's even a possible reference to the then-newly released Silmarillion in the "garden of my delight" line. The only thing I would change is, maybe they shouldn't have given Sam a line of what, in the book, is Tolkien's prose. "I can feel you change as we draw nearer to the great furnaces where, in the depths of time, you were shaped and formed!" It's AMAZING as narrative, but just sounds silly as a line of dialogue.
Sam always had the notion that the errand was too great for him. But only after this part in which he uses the Ring and feel its temptation and its weight by himself that he actually realises how strong Frodo must be to deal with that.
Yes it is a great scene, as you say so much subtlety in a few lines. I feel that Sam and Faramir, in very different ways, are the wisest characters in the book and they both, again in very different ways, reject the Imperialistic urge and the domination of others. Within their own spheres, they also show the humility you mention, Faramir has a wonderful line In response to Gollum's, so very just, so very wise, comment, 'not very wise perhaps, but just yes, as far as our little wisdom allows'.
Faramir represents to some extent Tolkien as a member of the officer class in WW1 and Sam, the rural working man, whose courage and plain common sense the professor came to greatly admire and to understand as true nobility and courage.
@@joseraulcapablanca8564 Yes, a very good point
Sam chiefly is loyal, humble and has his plain Hobbit-sense, as Tolkien put it. I wouldn't call him especially wise starting out, as wisdom is related to knowledge, planning and seeing the bigger picture which Sam isn't amazing at.
But Sam's rejection of the Ring's temptation and learning of pity for Gollum (albeit too late) definitely shows he grows in wisdom in Frodo's footsteps.
Such a scene gives quite a lot of insight. It highlights some of Sam's character, it underpins just how taxing Frodo's task is and it even sheds some more light onto Smeagol.
Sam's initial rejection of the visions is down to a very Hobbit reasoning. Hobbits being simple folk that don't want for much (Much of this is highlighted in The Hobbit as well as Fellowship). As such this reveals how un-Hobbitlike Smeagol initially was when he took the ring, it's like he was already Gollum before the Ring, this includes his weakness to the ring (Since we see that Bilbo, Sam and Frodo are all able to part with it willingly even after wearing it)
It's a seemingly small scene but it does underpin some significant points about these characters and Hobbits as a whole.
The ring only corrupts what is already inside, it plays with your fantasies and twists them. I just love this, its brilliant
I always say that it was the humility and mercy that saved all of Middle Earth. :')
Ooh! A glossary in the back! Well, I'm sold.
Every kid's book should have a glossary.
“THE CHOICES OF MASTER SAMWISE” is one of the very best chapters in the LotR!
I was reading that chapter YESTERDAY (my 217th time reading the LotR)
Of course Sam’s ordeal goes on in BOOK SIX (in “THE TOWER OF CIRITH UNGOL”), but it’s amazing how Tolkien can put us inside the simple mind of Sam.
Sam's rejection of the Ring is, to my mind, a major factor in understanding why he made such an excellent Mayor of the Shire.
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This is indeed a wonderful subtle and important scene, which indeed does show once again how Sam is the goat. I think here it shines through how much he as an officer in the First World War came to admire and understand the nobility of the humility and courage found in the rural working class. One does not have to agree with his ideas of people belonging in their places to admire and understand this. Just one thing worth noting, since I moved to Norway I have gotten a better appreciation of some language points. We have a word meaning horrible,gruesome, rotten etc. fæl. I do not know that they have the same robot in language but the Word gives an appreciation of the word fell, meaning about the same. Great stuff as ever. Thanks and keep up the good work.
I've always thought it'd be effective for the Ring to cast doubt on Gandalf's motivations. When he puts on the Ring, Sam "realizes" that Gandalf has been lying about its dangers out of jealousy. For some reason (likely related to Gandalf being a Maiar, which Sam senses in some way), Gandalf can't use the Ring himself and he wants it destroyed out of spite and pride rather than see a mere mortal use it to become greater than him. The vision wouldn't and shouldn't make Gandalf out to be a bad guy. The vision simply shows Gandalf has proposed a very risky course to defeat Sauron rather than take the more sensible course of allowing humble Sam to become Samwise the Great.
That scene in Rankin Bass is a key example of why, unlike jackson, Rankin/Bass get the villains rigth, mainly the ring.
Moreso, using that scene, the one where Sam intimidate am orc into falling to his death and the line "I am not the ring's, the ring is mine!" We can show a hint of how dangerous the ring really is.
I do find it funny that you have that Durin’s Bane poster behind you. We know that balrogs didn’t have wings! 😉
First, I love that part in the book, but we all know that PJ couldn't show that , because as soon as Sam puts a ring we would all know, oh, good , the ring is safe, orcs and Sauron didn't get it. It would took out that powerful scene when Frodo said "They took the ring" and Sam said " I beg your pardon, but they didn't". Also, there was not just desire for the ring, but also a fear in Sam's eyes and it was beautiful. First, it happened after the scene when he bravely put out many orcs just to reach Frodo, and now we all know why he was that brave, without any hesitation. So at one point he was thinking to keep the ring to stay that way, but in the same moment he saw what he did to Frodo.. It's right there infront of his eyes, so he doesn't want to keep it so he won't become like Frodo, but , on the other hand , he doesn't want to give it back to him , because he doesn't want to hurt him more.. And that all happened in one second of that scene and I loved it very much also. Both ways were perfect.. one for literature and one for cinema.
wow i was not aware of the Rankin Bass animation!
In the books, when Sam picks Frodo up on the slopes of Mt. Doom it says when Frodo is lifted by Sam, so it seems the burden of the ring was also lightened. I always felt this was some reference to Sam's strength in rejecting the ring, not just his strength in carrying Frodo.
I loved this in the book, and when Return of the King (Peter Jackson) came out, I was looking forward to seeing it, and missed it. I also thought the rendering of Sam’s rescue of Frodo from the tower was much less impressive than the book described. It would have been epic just to follow the text. AMBA
Sam was great. All of Frodo’s friends were great friends. I think it says a lot about Frodo and the lead conspirator - Sam
Strongly agree with you, as usual. Including this scene in Peter Jackson's movies would have been infinitely preferable to the made-up "share the load" nonsense that wasted so much time and ended up turning off some non-Tolkien viewers. As a kid, I didn't like the Rankin Bass version of the scene because it was cheesy and i knew what was going to happen anyway. But I can see your point about it being well done in terms of the music and the imagination that went into it. To this day, I still believe the Rankin Bass Hobbit is the best Tolkien adaptation out there.
I'm reading the books again since it's been a long time and there's a lot I don't remember.
Love this.
Speaking of temptation, would anyone else like a vid to compare and contrast the Mirror of Galadriel scene from the book, PJ tril, and the Bakshi film. I just watched the Bakshi version last night, and forgot how much I love this scene in here. Even if it's a bit shorter and more simple.
Jackson sacrificed that, and Sam's decision to take ring off of his (seemingly) dead master and shoulder the burden of the quest himself, pretty much for the sake of a bit of tension that the Orcs maybe have the ring (though they seem more concerned with Frodo's pretty shirt). Seems like a poor trade off to me, but on the other hand I can see that those scene that are full of internal dialogue might be difficult to film without voice over, or have Sam speak aloud to himself. To do that well - to not go corny, like Rankin/Bass embraces wholeheartedly - would require subtlety, which often isn't Peter's strength.
Maybe Peter is aware of his limitations and that is actually admirable.
@@di3486 Yeah, that's what I was wondering, though it doesn't stop him from indulging in skull avalanches and tyrannosaurus on gorilla acrobatics. 😄
I also wonder if there might be deleted scene(s) where he attempted it, cut it, and still thought it wouldn't work in the extended edition (he says there's some), like how we see the silent watchers at the gate, but they seem to do nothing.
@@MagusMarquillin True. Though I like the skull avalanche😁
@@di3486 And I like those scenes in King Kong, though they're still a bit bloated and ridiculous lol.
one of the most compelling sections in the book imo.
It's a real shame this "scene" got replaced by the whole "Gollum framing Sam for eating all the Lembas" subplot.
Like Frodo would really have fallen for that.
“Neglected scenes”
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Does the ring ever try to tempt Frodo? When he puts it on it's usually under pressure from the Nazgul, not the ring itself. Boromir is tempted by victory & glory, Sam by the Mordor garden, Gandalf and Galadriel by the chance to right wrongs, but Frodo? Is there nothing about him that the ring can latch on to?
I think he’s tempted by it but we just don’t get a description of the specifics because at that point Sam is the primary POV character/“author.”
When Frodo’s tempted by the Ring, it’s usually in situations that, if he had put It on, the Ring would be revealed.
If the Ring was somehow “sentient”, it was in the sense that It wanted to go back to Its Master.
Your aside criticism of most politicians' lust for power as a primary goal is appreciated. People who want to govern should be seeking better ways to do it, which ideally would require less effort and resources as it's refined (think Judo), and with personal power or even simply the power of office being only a means to that end. Unfortunately, too many in office are either desiring power to fill some general sense of helplessness or lack of personal worth, or unable to think of means of governance that don't require ever-increasing levels of influence and authority that they wind up striving for power first to retain as a resource for what becomes their incidental jobs. If this began to change in a given society I believe that said society would enter a renaissance such as our world has yet to witness. I'm sure this a common sentiment and my stating it is redundant, but I really appreciate Tolkien's inclusion of it in his work.
I really think Sam is so underrated. Not only did he save the quest many times, but, apart from Bilbo, was able to give up the ring willingly.
I feel Sam is very well loved and given a lot of credit, I feel Merry is the one among the hobbits who is most underrated.
That's not exactly correct (if memory serves me right). Boromir also gave up on the ring (though he fell later to temptation) after being told, just like Sam did after being called upon.
@@franzrogar No. Boromir never had the ring, and his last act toward Frodo was trying to take it from him. He may have made an act of redemption by trying to protect Pippin and Merry, but it's hardly the same ballpark.
@@franzrogar I think Frodo drops it, in the Peter Jackson films, and Boromir picks it up, but with everyone staring at him, returns it to Frodo, but never in the book. I'll be corrected quick enough if I am mixing up something there.
@@stephenleggett4243 you and @Poe Territory are partially right and I was wrong. Frodo falls indeed, but the rings is never dropped. It's an addition in the Jackson films. Boromir, though, wakes Frodo from a deathly sleep freeze later on still on Carathras. This' a proof that I need to re-read TLOTR soon...
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I think Jackson left this one out because Frodo already looks like wimp compared to Sam in the movies. So if Sam would have shown to be able to resist the temptation and Frodo would fall for it in the end, non-bookreaders would despice Frodo even more.
I'm not saying it still isn't pity that the scene was omitted. It gives a lot to Sams character. 🙂
Frankly the lack of this particular scene along with how poorly done the 'Riders of Theoden' scene is, are two of the primary reasons I dislike Jackson's movies.
Here’s a link to the scene he kept mentioning
m.ruclips.net/video/1PE-5ETUtW4/видео.html
I just love all sorts of stuff about it like Sam’s literally enlarged shadow he’s not joking it’s a greatly good adaptation all things concodered
Peter Jackson’s LOTR films are entertaining and were impressive…but as a massive fan of the books, there are changes he made that I hate…and many changes/omissions which were absolutely needless.
Frankly, the Legolas and Arwen stuff throughout the films makes me cringe…and they did “Faramir” dirty…major changes with his stuff in the story :/
And I think the Helm’s Deep and Pellenor Field battles were just awful…
I like the movies overall - but can’t consider them faithful to the books 😢
Here’s scene: ruclips.net/video/HM-mgaDC6Vg/видео.html
Good one - now take some time for Mr. Bolger and you have a new subscrition.
Already covered that 😉: ruclips.net/video/-jTXY8I5wAY/видео.html
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