Ya know people can talk all day about what CAN be done and what someone COULD do, but when buddy pulled out that trowel to put that pan in, the only Sound was work. That was beautiful. I’ve done this, and he made that look WAY easier than it is lol. Man I thoroughly enjoyed that.
when you feel the first inkling of burn in your knees, don't delay the knee pads. otherwise be ready for a bit of a vacation from work. love the show. keep it up.
Before ordering a pan from RSS, I for one would sure like to see some kind of updated comment from TileCoach and/or RSS in regards to the shower pan being promoted in "this" video. FACT: On Oct 26, 2021 TileCoach posted a video titled: "Small Tile on Foam Shower Pan --- Is it a Good Idea?" - In the video he demonstrates and explains why he personally doesn't install foam pans and lumps the foam pans from RSS, Schluter and RodK (foam not great, dent when kneeing on them and don't use tiles smaller than 2 square inches.) - Fast forward to this video from June 2023 where Issac shows a RSS pan (that is green in color) where he states at 1:42 "I don't even know if this is a foam product. This is a recycled plastic, so this form is made out of recycled plastic..." more or less implying this is a new pan offering from RSS. HOWEVER... as of today Sept 21, 2023, no where on the RSS website do they advertise or describe any of their pans being made from recycled plastic. On the RSS website, which displays the order form from a year ago, makes no mention of this new plastic material but instead still says "RSS PRO Custom Shower Pans are constructed from high-density foam". UPDATE Oct 17, 2023 I contacted RSS via their 800 number and said I was seeking additional information in regards to their shower pans made from recycled plastic. The RSS rep said there has been some recent confusion over the recycled plastic claim... and that I should understand RSS pans are not plastic nor made from plastic but are constructed of a "high-density expanded polystyrene foam" WTF? So who is confused here? I wish Tile Coach or RSS would clarify the material used and if Issac was wrong he should publish a retraction and identify the actual product material. I would hate to spend the big bucks ordering a RSS custom pan thinking I was getting this new denser recycled plastic material only to receive one made of the white polystyrene foam he found fault with back in 2021. FYI: The Link provided above by TileCoach to RSS foam pan displays Error 404 - Oops! That page can’t be found. (Anyway, once you navigate to the correct page there is no mention of recycled plastic pans.
You should try liquid water proofing membrane instead of mortar to apply water proofing membrane. I did it with the USG liquid membrane, because mortar whether it is modified or not migrate moisture through it bypassing those membranes, but when I used the USG liquid membrane to apply/wet out the water proofing tape membrane and corners it fully saturated it. Sort of like resin is to fiberglass. Which I’ve found provides a truly water proof through and through finished product that still accepts tile adhesion with mortar. I think the manufacturers simply say to use mortar, because that is what guy are used too, but I’ve seen multiple times where moisture migrates through the mortar used to apply the membrane and cause wrought/mold…
Great videos Issac. It's only because of you that I considered RSS, unfortunately getting someone to respond there is impossible. Love the channel, keep 'em coming.
Really nice to see RSS stepping up their game and giving us more tools and products in an trade that (no haters please) “can be stuck in past” when comes to “how things should be done”. If not willing to try and learn and “conquer” new tools, products, tech for the trade/industry you are in; well, you can become left behind and not even willing or considering learning new techniques isn’t the best way to build your skills as a person or help a biz grow even if your just a worker and not owner etc….imo. Everyone can bring something to the “table” and make the project better. Cheers✌🏻
Tile Coach , i must say i like your style. You are super aggressive with just the right finesse to make you a champ. I was brought up by my pop the same way 😎🙏👍🏼💯I really appreciate you brother i install alot like that 🍺
Great content...thank you. I put in a RSS pre sloped pan 1 year ago (didn't have the membrane attached option)...Very happy with it...I learned a lot (I'm a DIY'r)....Our upstairs bath is due for a refurbish and I'll be using RSS again for sure.
Thank you for this great video... I have often been taken advantage of by shady contractors in the past, so I am educating myself and this video is exactly the type of video that makes all the difference in being an informed female customer. Thank you many times over!
Good luck cutting the tiles from pan to top of the curb. I always making bigger space around 2 inch tiles looks much nicer but yes you have higher curb.
Is that a margin trowel or a magic wand?!?! That pan was completed so fast compared to mortar beds!! Tile Coach is the Tile G.O.A.T.!!!!🔷🐐🙌😎 Thank you so much for your videos that are filled with a wealth of knowledge, both new and old! 🙂
I've only done traditional shower pans...pack mud and put a shower pan liner, but this looks promising. It's harder to puncture or hinder the waterproofing on a thick foam like this
I emailed RSS a short while back for a quote on a floor pan. Did not realize it was $35 a square foot, wish it was more realistically affordable. Looks like I'll stick to packing deck mud for the time being.
Most preformed pans are more expensive but what’s your time worth? If it saves you two days and the cost to customer is about the same I charge about $70/sf to make them a pan out of deck mud and only 500 ish to set a preform so really it might save them money and saves me time, also brands like Hydroblok offer great warranties to the customer as long as I do my job right. There are a lot of factors besides just cost with a pan
Right, but how much are you charging a sq.ft. to pour a pan compared to installing this product. I don't think you would charge the same price, I would think the customer is probably paying around the same price to buy this product and have it installed compared to the traditional way.
I appreciate the feed back! But if you want standard size to cut down and make it fit. We also have the HD SERIES that is high density foam and we provide a fitted membrane for the surface of the pan and that one is 19.50 per sqft.
Thank you for the video man. Great tip on using the inside corner on the outside corner of the curb! Could I clarify at 31:01 when you apply the band to the curb. Doesn't that one inch lip on the curb makes the water proofing ineffective? I'm thinking perhaps you could overlap the band over the top of the curb, in a Z shape, to achieve the full 2 inch from seam requirement?
Issac, love watching all your videos and keeping up with new tech as it comes to tiled showers! I am a general contractor in southern Cal. I just bought the square Flo FX drain which I am excited about and was planning on bonding to the deck mud and then hydrobanning with brush and roller afterwards. Have you seen any showers fail using this method? Wondering if it will be ok or if I should lay the membrane sheet you recommend in your other vids.
Hey TileCoach, love your pro-quality, super informative videos on Tiling! Ahead of my own bathroom remodel project, I have watched many videos and read lots of commentary recently on sealing tile-and-grout showers. From what I have learned, the main focus and $ spend is on the sealing system of the walls and pan to the studs and subfloor. However, once water gets behind the tiles in front of the sealing system, isn’t it game over? Doesn’t matter how well the walls and pan are sealed, mold growth behind the tile is a failure and a big problem. A well-sealed shower pan and curb with a leaky tile installation is kind of like closing the barn door after the horse is out. Seems like a solid backing surface that supports the weight of the tiles and a fatso like me, and one that takes into account the inevitable structural shifts should be sufficient…unless the presence of mold under the tile is considered ok as long as the studs and subfloor don’t rot out…what am I missing?
@TileProUSA Is there a reason he and other tilers don’t install the curb on top of the pan? I’d imagine it would do better withstanding leakage from seams over the years? Of course you’d need to drop the pan down otherwise it would be a large curb.
ok, Mr. Tile Coach, I have placed my 1st order with RSS for a pro pan and curb and walls and all the necessary extras to install. I will let you know how it works out after delivery!
@fordford21007 Please check back and at least let us know how your order went. FYI: I called RSS last week and inquired about ordering one of their "new recycled plastic" pans that Issac describes is so enthusiastically describes at 0:30 The rep I talked to said their custom pans are "white foam" pans, that they've been selling them for a long time and they've had very few complaints. I mentioned this video saying Issac said it was describing their new pan made from recycled plastic and have a slight green tint. Nowhere on their website do they describe any pans from any of their product lines being made from recycled plastic... The rep said it may have been a prototype.
Can you do a compare to a tile-redi shower pan? Tile ready has the pan, the curb, and the drain all in one waterproof piece. Why dont you use these sometimes?
Tile coach scares me because the way he makes it look easy makes it really tempting to do things myself, but I sure as shit know that I am not producing those kinds of outcomes 😂
Do you have a video on the wall with the niche installation? I’d like to see how you do that layout so you avoid slivers with the tile where it meets the niche. Learning a lot and appreciate it!
Foam board compresses a tiny bit under pressure such as stepping on to and off of it repeatedly over years. Curious how the grout joints hold up over time. I'm curious how the foam wall boards that are meant to replace cement board for shower walls do over ten years or so as well. I didn't like how I could compress the board with finger pressure. Over time a little bit of movement might affect grout joints or not; have to wait to see. Lots of new products reveal issues over a few years. Sticking with what I know works until a few more years.
I like the foam board for the walls, so much easier to use, and light weight. It isn't going to compress like the floor will...no one stands on walls. lol
And I assume another advantage to that foam pan is theoretically you could use 2x2 mosaic. Whereas Schluter does not recommend using 2x2 on their foam pans.
Should take a spray bottle of water to premoisten the floor before thin set. Do you need a half inch notched trowel or 3/8" for the thin set ? Great videos
Question... Of all the different shower pans you have worked with, which do you think is the best? I'm really thinking about going with Tile Redi. It seems to be 100% waterproof. Do you agree? It is a bit expensive.
I wish you were in VIRGINIA because I have a damaged tile shower floor due to poor installation. I have springtails that my exterminator can’t seem to get rid of. This happened in my last house which caused a tile installer gut the entire shower, walls and floor. Mold traveled across the floor outside of the shower under tiles. Drywall was ripped out as well as carpet in my master closet. My new house now is 9 years old and I’m seeing the same issues, ugh. This time I know who the tile installerIt was. I don’t know how tile installers can get away with crap jobs.
I've seen brackets screwed down into the foam and sometimes simply glued to the tile work. Couldn't find any info if RSS uses any reinforcement but I know KBRS curbs have a hard 1/2" thick PVCore "cap" as am "anchoring layer" for the mechanical anchors when installing the mounting hardware for glass shower enclosures.
I've wondered why the tile pan doesn't go to the wall frame and have the backer board hang over the pan. You would think any water that would leak down the walls would then fall onto the pan vs between the pan and the backer board.
I just tore out a very poorly done shower down to the studs and foundation in my house because of various leaks and carpenter ants burrowing in wood in the vicinity. I have read that carpenter ants will burrow in foam, (and have been known to burrow into various types of foam applications in houses including insulation panels) so I am afraid of foam shower products since I know I have carpenter ants around "somewhere" even though they have been out of sight and mind since I did the tear out. It appears as though they only tend to burrow in wet wood, not dry, but they easily burrow in foam, regardless of condition. Any thoughts on this in your experience?
Hi, first off, thanks for your video. I am considering using RSS for my shower remodel. Is this okay to use over a second story wood subfloor? Last thing is, I had a question on the banding. Does it over lap the corners? Thanks!
Do it right use the flat side of trowel to spread it good onto floor so you get good adhesive the teeth alone isn’t going to get a good spread and I’d wet the floor a lil for curing time
tile coach: question: I am tiling an exterior patio with 8"x8" 1/2" porcelain tile. I worked from the middle drain towards the wall. I ended up about 1" from the wall which is fine. But, I need to fill this 1" wide space with something. My idea is to use the same color sanded grout (make it like a border). Can I use a sanded grout to fill a gap that is about 1" wide by about 1/2" deep? Would exterior caulking be better?
Hi coach, I have a question... RSS requires using RSS sealant between the foam curb and the shower base and then the thinset everywhere else. It's basically the same that laticrete hydro band adhesive and sealant between all of the "foam parts". You are using thinset between the shower pan and the curb... Any special reasoning for this, and what's better in your opinion? Thank you.
Curious . . . Can some of you who have purchased RSS Products disclose how expensive it was or was not? There is no public/open disclosure of what to expect and when you go to their site there still isn't a clue. That's not a good feeling. How expensive can foam board be ?
Do I understand right that the whole thing is leveled with a horseshoe spacer in that corner? is that robust enough? won't that leave space under the whole RSS pan not directly touching the floor around it?
Went to their website, but wasn't able to easily get a price for the standard sized HD option on the site. I'm sure it's more than I want to pay, but still would have been nice to know for sure.
On the website RSS identifies its tile pan as pre-sloped foam. I did not see anything that met the description of what you were using. What am I missing??
@@plumbobmillionaire6246 I’m talking about what it’s made of. He identified the material as recycled plastic. They describe it as foam. Maybe I’m missing something
Hey Isaac I am curious, do you consider the corner / seam tape enough waterproofing from your wall to floor seam? I've always installed my pans first and the wall board over the pan edge then taped.
Hmmm . . . Interesting idea . . . I Like It and I like people (You and Isaac) who dare to think out loud but . . . Why haven't any of the Manufacturing Experts or RSS weighed-in on this? I bet RSS or any other manufacturer would probably Poo-Poo this. RSS product is reinforced but to what limit? They probably don't really know and none of them will ever answer this question. So you are rolling the dice. Thinking about it myself with my own pea-brain . . . the biggest concern I might have is? MUCH of the Constant Weight from the Heavy Solid Stone Curb Coverings plus the Heavy Glass Enclosure Panels/Door(s) will be transferred directly to the outer edges of that pan so over 24/7/365 time . . . can it hold it? Without any crush or deformation . . . whatsoever . . . Unlikely? I don't know ? 200lb. people using a shower for 15 or 20mins./da. is one thing . . . Constant Heavy Weight that may be excessive is another. For $5 or 6K . . . just for a medium size 4X4 shower . . . I want it to last flawlessly for a LifeTime. I know you do to. Unfortunately the Industry continues to play us These leaks come from all kinds of causes . . . Issac has shown us many. Some are primary material / adhhesives etc. and Some are install application. All Name Brands are involved Remember: Everything Has a Limit. e.g. Seatbelts can save your life up to a certain speed . . . Beyond that speed they can act like a piece of wire. ? Then there's the Unkown ? e.g. What real effect does Hot Water or REALLY HOT WATER have on these materials? No one knows? Things Expand when heated and Shrink when cooled and . . . Loosen because of these two extremes. I appreciate your post Ryan
Love your videos! I have installed 2 custom tile redi pans….very spendy for sure. Love the easy install. The RRS looks nice but why not put a few inches (or 6) of fabric on the pan so you can just wrap the sides up the walls and curb? Part of the reason I went with the tile redi was it was all incorporated with no seams. It’s obvious they built it with seams but then sprayed with what looked like bed liner on all sides. Seems every day I see the adhesive that join the seams fail, I’m all about the technology moving forward but I guess time is the factor that is hard to factor in.
Hey, @kenthompson2308. What's your opinion on the tile redi pans? It seems positive based on this comment. I'm redoing my master shower starting next month and have been looking at various options for months now. To me, Tile Redi seemed like the best option for someone who doesn't do this every day. Would appreciate your thoughts.
@@robdgonz I like the custom pans over the non custom. There are voids to fill that you need to estimate the amount of mortar on the standard size models. On the custom sizes the bottom is flat, you just need to seal the floor with something like red guard over the subfloor so the thinset doesn’t dry too fast, standard 1/2x1/2 knotched trowel and set the pan in place. You can also go with a small curb if you like, I went with a 3x3 inch curb. Gives a modern look that I was going for. There warranty is only for 2 years I think, I wasn’t all that impressed with that. For the cost it should be at least 10. They are very light, the main bottom is foam along with the curb, fairly high density but you wouldn’t want to have any point load placed on them (like a ladder leg) and it comes with a warning stating that. I covered everything with heavy cardboard prior to tiling. I used a full format tile on the floor, I would contact them if you are considering using a mosaic or small tile, the foam pans don’t do well for that. From what I can tell the 1/2” pan edge and trench drain is pvc board. Not a huge fan of the aluminum flashing that is an add-on, seemed a bit pricey for a few pieces of light aluminum flashing. I’ve done the old school dry-pack mortar, vinyl liner with folded corners with great success in my basement bathroom. The redi-tile pans are very quick to install but your floor needs to be very flat, level, walls square and plumb. I don’t consider it a shortcut by any means, I purposely ordered the pan(s) slightly smaller, it’s easy to shim the walls out, tough to make the space bigger! Overall I’m initially happy but only time will tell for longevity. Good luck in you remodel!
Just to be clear, this tile pan is set level with no drainage slope ? If on3 was doing a 5'X3' shower, with drain ( say linear ) on one end, would the pan be set level?
For the sake of DIYers or occasional shower installers, could you do a comparison with a product like KRBS? They are also ready to tile. My understanding is they are also custom made to order, but come as an integral unit - base & curb. So from a time/cost perspective, (not to mention less chance for leaks), it would be an interesting comparison. 👍
I used the KRBS system in both of my showers and it is an awesome system. I have done showers the old school way and these new shower systems are awesome and timesavers. Even though they are DIY friendly, you have to make sure you follow the instructions to prevent failure. Highly recommend the KRBS system. You can custom order your pan size.
I prefer mud beds now but when I first started building showers I used a few different brand foam pans. The kbrs rigid pans are by far the toughest foam system I’ve used. You absolutely won’t crush or dimple it kneeling on it. As long as you follow their instructions it’s easy to install also.
I’m a carpenter by trade, started tiling 5 years ago, I’ve seen a lot of your videos, I’ve use your method and all of my tile work, I haven’t used any foam pans, I’m too scared, especially on the second floor lol, I float my mud pan, use the FloFx drain and waterproof it using Hydro ban liquid membrane….my only concern, since grout isn’t 100% waterproof, where the water go if it it manages to get through grout n under tile… I don’t think I’ve seen a video of you explaining that…. One day I’ll use the Foam install, definitely a timesaver!
@@tonyhickman4895 KRBS has no pre fab inside outside fabric corners, “they want you to cut the diagonal and fold over. Causes a crease and not monolithic!
I hear people selling these systems as faster. But it shouldn’t have to be like this. There’s still flood tests that are required Im and not sure how much faster they actually are lol. Are they a better system? I’ve been installing for a long time now and been doing mud jobs for awhile and I will say this is less labor intensive but if not done right it can be a failure very easily. Flood test is what your supposed to do and honestly some still can fail if not done right
I like the system but still am a little skeptical about the install of shower glass panels on the curb. What / how are your screwing into the foam curb that it holds secure ?
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It’s refreshing to see a contractor get excited and have real passion for his trade, love the videos Isaac!
Right? Love these vids
been seeing for years, awesome
Ya know people can talk all day about what CAN be done and what someone COULD do, but when buddy pulled out that trowel to put that pan in, the only
Sound was work. That was beautiful. I’ve done this, and he made that look WAY easier than it is lol. Man I thoroughly enjoyed that.
when you feel the first inkling of burn in your knees, don't delay the knee pads. otherwise be ready for a bit of a vacation from work. love the show. keep it up.
Before ordering a pan from RSS, I for one would sure like to see some kind of updated comment from TileCoach and/or RSS in regards to the shower pan being promoted in "this" video. FACT: On Oct 26, 2021 TileCoach posted a video titled: "Small Tile on Foam Shower Pan --- Is it a Good Idea?" - In the video he demonstrates and explains why he personally doesn't install foam pans and lumps the foam pans from RSS, Schluter and RodK (foam not great, dent when kneeing on them and don't use tiles smaller than 2 square inches.) - Fast forward to this video from June 2023 where Issac shows a RSS pan (that is green in color) where he states at 1:42 "I don't even know if this is a foam product. This is a recycled plastic, so this form is made out of recycled plastic..." more or less implying this is a new pan offering from RSS. HOWEVER... as of today Sept 21, 2023, no where on the RSS website do they advertise or describe any of their pans being made from recycled plastic. On the RSS website, which displays the order form from a year ago, makes no mention of this new plastic material but instead still says "RSS PRO Custom Shower Pans are constructed from high-density foam".
UPDATE Oct 17, 2023 I contacted RSS via their 800 number and said I was seeking additional information in regards to their shower pans made from recycled plastic. The RSS rep said there has been some recent confusion over the recycled plastic claim... and that I should understand RSS pans are not plastic nor made from plastic but are constructed of a "high-density expanded polystyrene foam" WTF? So who is confused here? I wish Tile Coach or RSS would clarify the material used and if Issac was wrong he should publish a retraction and identify the actual product material. I would hate to spend the big bucks ordering a RSS custom pan thinking I was getting this new denser recycled plastic material only to receive one made of the white polystyrene foam he found fault with back in 2021. FYI: The Link provided above by TileCoach to RSS foam pan displays Error 404 - Oops! That page can’t be found. (Anyway, once you navigate to the correct page there is no mention of recycled plastic pans.
Between new videos with tile coach and Luke's goldies, I am a happy man.
You should try liquid water proofing membrane instead of mortar to apply water proofing membrane. I did it with the USG liquid membrane, because mortar whether it is modified or not migrate moisture through it bypassing those membranes, but when I used the USG liquid membrane to apply/wet out the water proofing tape membrane and corners it fully saturated it. Sort of like resin is to fiberglass. Which I’ve found provides a truly water proof through and through finished product that still accepts tile adhesion with mortar. I think the manufacturers simply say to use mortar, because that is what guy are used too, but I’ve seen multiple times where moisture migrates through the mortar used to apply the membrane and cause wrought/mold…
Great videos Issac. It's only because of you that I considered RSS, unfortunately getting someone to respond there is impossible. Love the channel, keep 'em coming.
Really nice to see RSS stepping up their game and giving us more tools and products in an trade that (no haters please) “can be stuck in past” when comes to “how things should be done”.
If not willing to try and learn and “conquer” new tools, products, tech for the trade/industry you are in; well, you can become left behind and not even willing or considering learning new techniques isn’t the best way to build your skills as a person or help a biz grow even if your just a worker and not owner etc….imo. Everyone can bring something to the “table” and make the project better.
Cheers✌🏻
Tile Coach , i must say i like your style. You are super aggressive with just the right finesse to make you a champ. I was brought up by my pop the same way 😎🙏👍🏼💯I really appreciate you brother i install alot like that 🍺
Bro you are so clean with the trowel !! Not a spec of thinset on you after you are done, respect
Great content...thank you. I put in a RSS pre sloped pan 1 year ago (didn't have the membrane attached option)...Very happy with it...I learned a lot (I'm a DIY'r)....Our upstairs bath is due for a refurbish and I'll be using RSS again for sure.
Thanks!
Thank you for this great video... I have often been taken advantage of by shady contractors in the past, so I am educating myself and this video is exactly the type of video that makes all the difference in being an informed female customer. Thank you many times over!
And an informed male customer too!😁
Good luck cutting the tiles from pan to top of the curb. I always making bigger space around 2 inch tiles looks much nicer but yes you have higher curb.
GOD Bless you brother And All your family! Thank you for posting your videos!
Is that a margin trowel or a magic wand?!?! That pan was completed so fast compared to mortar beds!! Tile Coach is the Tile G.O.A.T.!!!!🔷🐐🙌😎 Thank you so much for your videos that are filled with a wealth of knowledge, both new and old! 🙂
With those foam shower curbs, how do you screw down the shower glass and doors? The screws will be secure in foam??
That high density foam is a game changer! So glad RSS is filling that void!
I've only done traditional shower pans...pack mud and put a shower pan liner, but this looks promising. It's harder to puncture or hinder the waterproofing on a thick foam like this
I emailed RSS a short while back for a quote on a floor pan. Did not realize it was $35 a square foot, wish it was more realistically affordable. Looks like I'll stick to packing deck mud for the time being.
Thanks god there is a difference between Mercedes and Chevy.
Most preformed pans are more expensive but what’s your time worth? If it saves you two days and the cost to customer is about the same I charge about $70/sf to make them a pan out of deck mud and only 500 ish to set a preform so really it might save them money and saves me time, also brands like Hydroblok offer great warranties to the customer as long as I do my job right. There are a lot of factors besides just cost with a pan
Definitely mud pack, $35 will covering the entire mud 😂
Right, but how much are you charging a sq.ft. to pour a pan compared to installing this product. I don't think you would charge the same price, I would think the customer is probably paying around the same price to buy this product and have it installed compared to the traditional way.
I appreciate the feed back! But if you want standard size to cut down and make it fit. We also have the HD SERIES that is high density foam and we provide a fitted membrane for the surface of the pan and that one is 19.50 per sqft.
Thank you for the video man. Great tip on using the inside corner on the outside corner of the curb!
Could I clarify at 31:01 when you apply the band to the curb. Doesn't that one inch lip on the curb makes the water proofing ineffective? I'm thinking perhaps you could overlap the band over the top of the curb, in a Z shape, to achieve the full 2 inch from seam requirement?
RSS pans are the best foam in the market by a long shot!! Cornel is the man
Issac, love watching all your videos and keeping up with new tech as it comes to tiled showers! I am a general contractor in southern Cal. I just bought the square Flo FX drain which I am excited about and was planning on bonding to the deck mud and then hydrobanning with brush and roller afterwards. Have you seen any showers fail using this method? Wondering if it will be ok or if I should lay the membrane sheet you recommend in your other vids.
Hey TileCoach, love your pro-quality, super informative videos on Tiling! Ahead of my own bathroom remodel project, I have watched many videos and read lots of commentary recently on sealing tile-and-grout showers. From what I have learned, the main focus and $ spend is on the sealing system of the walls and pan to the studs and subfloor. However, once water gets behind the tiles in front of the sealing system, isn’t it game over? Doesn’t matter how well the walls and pan are sealed, mold growth behind the tile is a failure and a big problem. A well-sealed shower pan and curb with a leaky tile installation is kind of like closing the barn door after the horse is out. Seems like a solid backing surface that supports the weight of the tiles and a fatso like me, and one that takes into account the inevitable structural shifts should be sufficient…unless the presence of mold under the tile is considered ok as long as the studs and subfloor don’t rot out…what am I missing?
Thanks coach! I'm ready to be put in the game now
this guy is the truth. pure passion
So why don't you need to waterproof joints before tile installation? What's stopping water infiltration at all of the joints?
Does this have the same tile size limitation as Kerdi? (not less than 2" or something like that?)
So curious, does it matter with the RSS if you have your walls up first and pan up against wall. Can I do pan first with wallboard on top of pan?
Friends will Isaac be putting corners and banding on the outside of this shower curb?
I appreciate how RSS uses the waterproofing bands around the pan/curb and pan/wall junctions. It's hard to trust the sealant-only systems imho.
The best shower system I have used🙏
@TileProUSA Is there a reason he and other tilers don’t install the curb on top of the pan? I’d imagine it would do better withstanding leakage from seams over the years? Of course you’d need to drop the pan down otherwise it would be a large curb.
Fantastic tutorial. Love your attention to detail and systematic approach!
Just curious why the corner peices and not a peice along the entire seem? Wall to floor and floor to curb?
Best shower pans I ever used !!
Tip make sure you measure your drain from the wall when setting to make sure its square....
I've torn out some pretty old showers in Alameda and found copper pans used as waterproofing.
ok, Mr. Tile Coach, I have placed my 1st order with RSS for a pro pan and curb and walls and all the necessary extras to install. I will let you know how it works out after delivery!
@fordford21007 Please check back and at least let us know how your order went. FYI: I called RSS last week and inquired about ordering one of their "new recycled plastic" pans that Issac describes is so enthusiastically describes at 0:30 The rep I talked to said their custom pans are "white foam" pans, that they've been selling them for a long time and they've had very few complaints. I mentioned this video saying Issac said it was describing their new pan made from recycled plastic and have a slight green tint. Nowhere on their website do they describe any pans from any of their product lines being made from recycled plastic... The rep said it may have been a prototype.
Does RSS require the 2” overlap on the band and corners? The short curb is awesome, but doesn’t appear to allow for the 2” minimum everywhere.
Can you do a compare to a tile-redi shower pan? Tile ready has the pan, the curb, and the drain all in one waterproof piece. Why dont you use these sometimes?
Exactly. Love to see a tile-redi vs. RSS system comparison. He speaks favorably of both.
What about shower glass door install I guess you can’t screw down onto the curb right. ?
For the pebble floor, ever consider clear epoxy instead of grout?
My y wife’s going to visit her mom in Ireland Hgonna surprise herewith bewczhiwer. Thanks Brae for this video. I’m in.
Tile coach scares me because the way he makes it look easy makes it really tempting to do things myself, but I sure as shit know that I am not producing those kinds of outcomes 😂
Do you have a video on the wall with the niche installation? I’d like to see how you do that layout so you avoid slivers with the tile where it meets the niche.
Learning a lot and appreciate it!
So after watching many of your videos, what is the product you feel is waterproof for installing the corners and banding
Foam board compresses a tiny bit under pressure such as stepping on to and off of it repeatedly over years. Curious how the grout joints hold up over time. I'm curious how the foam wall boards that are meant to replace cement board for shower walls do over ten years or so as well. I didn't like how I could compress the board with finger pressure. Over time a little bit of movement might affect grout joints or not; have to wait to see. Lots of new products reveal issues over a few years. Sticking with what I know works until a few more years.
You could stick with what you know forever if it works.
I like the foam board for the walls, so much easier to use, and light weight. It isn't going to compress like the floor will...no one stands on walls. lol
You never know when someone might do a flying kick in the shower and leave a compression in the foam wallboard that messes up your grout joint.
Issac, is water able to speak through under the membrane at the drain?
This was my thought. It's tight, but it looks like there is a chance it can get under that
And I assume another advantage to that foam pan is theoretically you could use 2x2 mosaic. Whereas Schluter does not recommend using 2x2 on their foam pans.
Excellent video, as always. Thanks for sharing with us.
That was so cool. Great job Coach! 😊👍 👏
Should take a spray bottle of water to premoisten the floor before thin set. Do you need a half inch notched trowel or 3/8" for the thin set ? Great videos
I’ve got my order in for my custom shower. I ordered the RSS pro series pan. I’m curious to see how well it goes in.
Me too, delivery should be next week for a DIY job
@@drewcwsj Generally how much is it compare to a schluter (Shower pan & Curb) system? pricier or cheaper?
@jogabinet we purchased the pan, wallboards and flofx drain for ~$2k. Overall very happy with RSS
i am going to give RSS a try!
FYI, the link to the custom pan is broken. Great video and thanks for taking the time.
Question... Of all the different shower pans you have worked with, which do you think is the best? I'm really thinking about going with Tile Redi. It seems to be 100% waterproof. Do you agree? It is a bit expensive.
I wish you were in VIRGINIA because I have a damaged tile shower floor due to poor installation. I have springtails that my exterminator can’t seem to get rid of. This happened in my last house which caused a tile installer gut the entire shower, walls and floor. Mold traveled across the floor outside of the shower under tiles. Drywall was ripped out as well as carpet in my master closet. My new house now is 9 years old and I’m seeing the same issues, ugh. This time I know who the tile installerIt was. I don’t know how tile installers can get away with crap jobs.
Do you ever use Mapei Aquadefense ?
So if they are putting glass doors on,the brackets are screwed into the foam?
I've seen brackets screwed down into the foam and sometimes simply glued to the tile work. Couldn't find any info if RSS uses any reinforcement but I know KBRS curbs have a hard 1/2" thick PVCore "cap" as am "anchoring layer" for the mechanical anchors when installing the mounting hardware for glass shower enclosures.
Thank you for the video. Man I've been tiling for about 25 years now. What are you using in your buckets? Looks like another bucket inside?
Probably ice and cold water in the outer bucket to extend the work time of the thinset
Any reason why you not burning the thinset to the subfloor?
Love your work Brother, keep spreading the word!!
I've wondered why the tile pan doesn't go to the wall frame and have the backer board hang over the pan. You would think any water that would leak down the walls would then fall onto the pan vs between the pan and the backer board.
Is this RSS one that comes in a standard size or can it be cut to fit non-standard sizes? and where can we get it? thanks
Do showers "sound" different based on the pan used? Meaning, does a deck mud shower pan sound more "solid" than a foam system?
I love your work!
I just tore out a very poorly done shower down to the studs and foundation in my house because of various leaks and carpenter ants burrowing in wood in the vicinity. I have read that carpenter ants will burrow in foam, (and have been known to burrow into various types of foam applications in houses including insulation panels) so I am afraid of foam shower products since I know I have carpenter ants around "somewhere" even though they have been out of sight and mind since I did the tear out. It appears as though they only tend to burrow in wet wood, not dry, but they easily burrow in foam, regardless of condition. Any thoughts on this in your experience?
Hi, first off, thanks for your video. I am considering using RSS for my shower remodel. Is this okay to use over a second story wood subfloor? Last thing is, I had a question on the banding. Does it over lap the corners? Thanks!
Do it right use the flat side of trowel to spread it good onto floor so you get good adhesive the teeth alone isn’t going to get a good spread and I’d wet the floor a lil for curing time
Do you overlap the inside corners with the band? It's kind of hard to see.
I was trying to figure that out as well.
Is that a inside yellow bucket insert ? Blessings 🙏
tile coach: question: I am tiling an exterior patio with 8"x8" 1/2" porcelain tile. I worked from the middle drain towards the wall. I ended up about 1" from the wall which is fine. But, I need to fill this 1" wide space with something. My idea is to use the same color sanded grout (make it like a border). Can I use a sanded grout to fill a gap that is about 1" wide by about 1/2" deep? Would exterior caulking be better?
have you ever tried musselbound instead of thin-set? seems like it would speed things up a bit, but not sure if it would hold up.
Hi coach, I have a question... RSS requires using RSS sealant between the foam curb and the shower base and then the thinset everywhere else. It's basically the same that laticrete hydro band adhesive and sealant between all of the "foam parts". You are using thinset between the shower pan and the curb... Any special reasoning for this, and what's better in your opinion? Thank you.
Keep up the great information Sir 👍
Curious . . . Can some of you who have purchased RSS Products disclose how expensive it was or was not?
There is no public/open disclosure of what to expect and when you go to their site there still isn't a clue.
That's not a good feeling. How expensive can foam board be ?
What is the working time of the thinset? Seem's like he's been going awhile.
Hey Isaac, how do you feel about holding the wall board above the pan?
foam boards don't wick so there is no need to worry about keeping them above the pan.
What about denshield
Do I understand right that the whole thing is leveled with a horseshoe spacer in that corner? is that robust enough? won't that leave space under the whole RSS pan not directly touching the floor around it?
Do you think these systems with liquid hydroban would be as good, better/ faster ? Than doing the bands over corners and seams ?
How the hell do you crawl around on your knees like that? I wouldn't be able to walk after that. Great video!
Went to their website, but wasn't able to easily get a price for the standard sized HD option on the site. I'm sure it's more than I want to pay, but still would have been nice to know for sure.
14:25 you was bout to throw it back in the drain🤣🤣
On the website RSS identifies its tile pan as pre-sloped foam. I did not see anything that met the description of what you were using. What am I missing??
Hard to see but they slope to the centre from all four sides
@@plumbobmillionaire6246 I’m talking about what it’s made of. He identified the material as recycled plastic. They describe it as foam. Maybe I’m missing something
I wonder if the bands are overlapping the inside corners? I can't it clear on the video.
Come on Isaac no keying in to substrate!
Hey Isaac I am curious, do you consider the corner / seam tape enough waterproofing from your wall to floor seam? I've always installed my pans first and the wall board over the pan edge then taped.
Hmmm . . . Interesting idea . . . I Like It and I like people (You and Isaac) who dare to think out loud but . . .
Why haven't any of the Manufacturing Experts or RSS weighed-in on this?
I bet RSS or any other manufacturer would probably Poo-Poo this. RSS product is reinforced but to what limit?
They probably don't really know and none of them will ever answer this question. So you are rolling the dice.
Thinking about it myself with my own pea-brain . . . the biggest concern I might have is?
MUCH of the Constant Weight from the Heavy Solid Stone Curb Coverings plus the Heavy Glass Enclosure Panels/Door(s) will be transferred directly to the outer edges of that pan so over 24/7/365 time . . . can it hold it?
Without any crush or deformation . . . whatsoever . . . Unlikely? I don't know ?
200lb. people using a shower for 15 or 20mins./da. is one thing . . . Constant Heavy Weight that may be excessive is another.
For $5 or 6K . . . just for a medium size 4X4 shower . . . I want it to last flawlessly for a LifeTime. I know you do to.
Unfortunately the Industry continues to play us
These leaks come from all kinds of causes . . . Issac has shown us many. Some are primary material / adhhesives etc. and Some are install application. All Name Brands are involved
Remember: Everything Has a Limit.
e.g. Seatbelts can save your life up to a certain speed . . . Beyond that speed they can act like a piece of wire.
? Then there's the Unkown ?
e.g. What real effect does Hot Water or REALLY HOT WATER have on these materials? No one knows?
Things Expand when heated and Shrink when cooled and . . . Loosen because of these two extremes.
I appreciate your post Ryan
Love your videos! I have installed 2 custom tile redi pans….very spendy for sure. Love the easy install. The RRS looks nice but why not put a few inches (or 6) of fabric on the pan so you can just wrap the sides up the walls and curb? Part of the reason I went with the tile redi was it was all incorporated with no seams. It’s obvious they built it with seams but then sprayed with what looked like bed liner on all sides. Seems every day I see the adhesive that join the seams fail, I’m all about the technology moving forward but I guess time is the factor that is hard to factor in.
Hey, @kenthompson2308. What's your opinion on the tile redi pans? It seems positive based on this comment. I'm redoing my master shower starting next month and have been looking at various options for months now. To me, Tile Redi seemed like the best option for someone who doesn't do this every day. Would appreciate your thoughts.
@@robdgonz I like the custom pans over the non custom. There are voids to fill that you need to estimate the amount of mortar on the standard size models. On the custom sizes the bottom is flat, you just need to seal the floor with something like red guard over the subfloor so the thinset doesn’t dry too fast, standard 1/2x1/2 knotched trowel and set the pan in place. You can also go with a small curb if you like, I went with a 3x3 inch curb. Gives a modern look that I was going for. There warranty is only for 2 years I think, I wasn’t all that impressed with that. For the cost it should be at least 10. They are very light, the main bottom is foam along with the curb, fairly high density but you wouldn’t want to have any point load placed on them (like a ladder leg) and it comes with a warning stating that. I covered everything with heavy cardboard prior to tiling. I used a full format tile on the floor, I would contact them if you are considering using a mosaic or small tile, the foam pans don’t do well for that. From what I can tell the 1/2” pan edge and trench drain is pvc board. Not a huge fan of the aluminum flashing that is an add-on, seemed a bit pricey for a few pieces of light aluminum flashing. I’ve done the old school dry-pack mortar, vinyl liner with folded corners with great success in my basement bathroom. The redi-tile pans are very quick to install but your floor needs to be very flat, level, walls square and plumb. I don’t consider it a shortcut by any means, I purposely ordered the pan(s) slightly smaller, it’s easy to shim the walls out, tough to make the space bigger! Overall I’m initially happy but only time will tell for longevity. Good luck in you remodel!
Just to be clear, this tile pan is set level with no drainage slope ?
If on3 was doing a 5'X3' shower, with drain ( say linear ) on one end, would the pan be set level?
The pan is set level because the slope is already built into the pan to the drain
The pans are custom made to order and and have the slope built into them.
@@stevens4826 Holding the level across the pan, somehow bridges the slopes, I guess ?
Thanks.
Have the subfloor level then use a level on the linear drain part and the opposite side. The long sides will be slope so don’t try level
You could miter the curb
For the sake of DIYers or occasional shower installers, could you do a comparison with a product like KRBS? They are also ready to tile.
My understanding is they are also custom made to order, but come as an integral unit - base & curb. So from a time/cost perspective, (not to mention less chance for leaks), it would be an interesting comparison. 👍
I used the KRBS system in both of my showers and it is an awesome system. I have done showers the old school way and these new shower systems are awesome and timesavers. Even though they are DIY friendly, you have to make sure you follow the instructions to prevent failure. Highly recommend the KRBS system. You can custom order your pan size.
I prefer mud beds now but when I first started building showers I used a few different brand foam pans. The kbrs rigid pans are by far the toughest foam system I’ve used. You absolutely won’t crush or dimple it kneeling on it. As long as you follow their instructions it’s easy to install also.
I’m a carpenter by trade, started tiling 5 years ago, I’ve seen a lot of your videos, I’ve use your method and all of my tile work, I haven’t used any foam pans, I’m too scared, especially on the second floor lol, I float my mud pan, use the FloFx drain and waterproof it using Hydro ban liquid membrane….my only concern, since grout isn’t 100% waterproof, where the water go if it it manages to get through grout n under tile… I don’t think I’ve seen a video of you explaining that…. One day I’ll use the Foam install, definitely a timesaver!
@@carlosromo3575do you not use a pan liner under it all?!
@@tonyhickman4895 KRBS has no pre fab inside outside fabric corners, “they want you to cut the diagonal and fold over. Causes a crease and not monolithic!
Do you like these over laticrete foam ?
If I wanted to use something like this for a curveless shower design would it work?
I hear people selling these systems as faster. But it shouldn’t have to be like this. There’s still flood tests that are required Im and not sure how much faster they actually are lol. Are they a better system? I’ve been installing for a long time now and been doing mud jobs for awhile and I will say this is less labor intensive but if not done right it can be a failure very easily. Flood test is what your supposed to do and honestly some still can fail if not done right
Your link for custom shower pan is missing.
Love the two step nice moves dancing with the stars is in your future 🇺🇸😂
Does it ship to Canada?
I like the system but still am a little skeptical about the install of shower glass panels on the curb. What / how are your screwing into the foam curb that it holds secure ?
Screw into the wall use silicone on the curb. You usually don't want to screw into your curb after you waterproof it
My knees hurt just watching this. Pretty sure they make work pants with knee pads built in now.
Do they make it with a linear drain?
Their pro pans are tile ready. I have used several over the years.