What if Poland-Lithuania was restored in 1863?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- The January Uprising was a revolution in regions of the former Poland-Lithuania that was aimed at putting an end to Russian occupation and for the Poles to regain their independence. It began on 22 January 1863 and continued until the last insurgents were captured by the Russian Army.
A confluence of factors rendered the revolution inevitable in early 1863. Russia had been weakened by Crimean War and had introduced a partial liberalism in its internal politics which encouraged Polish National Government to plan an organized strike against Russian occupiers no earlier than the spring of 1863.
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Im waiting for the creation of Lithuania-Poland
The better commonwealth
@@rewriting-history No, it’s the wealthcommon
Lol
That's alright but it would still be partitioned by Prussia-Brandenburg
The Uncommonwealth?
“Trench warfare more like sitskrieg” love it 😂
Appreciate that! :D
@@rewriting-history yippee
The British citizens made that up
There was also November Uprising in 1830 in Russian part
And Kościuszko Uprising in 1794
@@nacelnikprosiak1260 yes but I mean under the partitions, Kosciuszko was before the 3rd partition
Yes, but I didn't choose it as a point of divergence as it's less likely to succeed.
@@rewriting-history ok
@@rewriting-historyoh hell nah. You didnt just say that. In 1830 poland had actual military and it was close too if not for that 1 big lose poland could actually win or atleast get positive outcome of the conflict. In 1863 it was an guerilla warfare conflict in a place which didnt really favor it
Great video, but in 7:18, I think that triple monarchy would be established, because the fighting in the war of 1866 happend mainly in Bohemia, and we suffered a lot.
I really like your point and I agree, didn't think about this at all! Nice one!
Poland's early history is based on the west. the Piastów dynasty which controlled the villages of Gniezno and Poznań (this was 900 ad) . under Mieszko I (poland's first leader NOT king) the small kingdom conquered all of modern day poland which layed the foundation for a powerful polish state. a poland without these territories is mozart without a piano even before german rule lesser poland was always richer and more economically stable than the rural east.
Flag checks out!
@@rewriting-history yeah it is a popular alt hist flag after all
Rather 940 - 945.
0:07 Poland-Lithuania disappeared for 123 years, not for 124
Biggest mistake of my life, I should delete my channel, sorry
@@rewriting-history nah
Uhm actually 123.2 years 🤓☝️
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@rewriting-history i agree! (Jk)
Gotta say I really enjoyed the extended time line video this time!
What if James Bissonette was in charge of Poland-Lithuania during the partitions?
History matters fan like me I see
@@Inerturn No the only person I'm a fan of is James Bissonette for his admirable efforts against Kelly Moneymaker
@@Wooper2009 ahh yes he managed to stop the evil kelly monkeymaker back in 1522. Without him we probably won’t exist
The whole world would be polish
They would also finally encourage everyone that they were insane and that there isn't such a place as "Belgium" or "Denmark"
@@Dougoul yeah. Kelly moneymaker only made up those places for money. James bissonette was a saver for stopping Kelly moneymaker
My favorite part of the video is the small segment of "How I Unleashed World War II".
You know, the whole "Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz" thing... I love it.
As a German, I see this as an absolute win!
As another German i agree
As Pole, I agree, we would be unbeatable
As a German Empire sympathetic American, I agree.
What if Serbia and Greece tried to form a Commonwealth akin to Poland-Lithuania?
LOL that's funny but it can work, especially if Bulgaria gets stronger
Video Idea: What if Myanmar modernized in 1800s, It kinda interesting as they actually tried to industrialize the nation but the British and poor administration ruined it.
That would be very interesting as Burma could export some of the ideas of industrialisation to the Qing which would be big and Burma could very easily threaten British hegemony in India. For example The Burman Empire can attack and conquer all of NE India and help the sepoys in the Sepoy revolt of 1858. This would harm Britain and make Russia, France and Germany do more bold geopolitical moves. The Idea sims pretty insignificant at first but it is very interesting.
W concept ngl
Nice idea too!
Great video! This alt-history seemed more action packed (well, simply more eventful), and I think that made this video much more entertaining. Great job!
Amazing video! Your videos are always amazing and have realism! Can’t wait to see what you make next!
Thank you so much! I still don't know about my next upload, will figure it out soon!
@@rewriting-historyWhat if the Dutch kept the whole Benelux?
Always enjoy your videos, they’re great videos and always fascinating, much love
Appreciate that, will keep making them!
@@rewriting-history thank you, ngl that’s made my day lol
@@TomsVlogs5166 I'm glad I did! Make sure to enjoy the rest of your day!
@@rewriting-history thank you, you too!
i like your videos love from lithuania to my polish brothers
Appreciate that, love to both Lithuania and Poland, wish to visit them soon, maybe next year!
@@rewriting-history just dont visit the east it's a shithole
This is a good video! Great job!
Always look forward to your videos! You're the Best 😊😊😊❤❤❤
Yay! Thank you! You are the best!
@@rewriting-history 💯💯💯
yoooo we got a long video today 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 keep it up, man. i love ur content
great video, it does have a sensible amount of realism in it but I feel the Ukrainians (or Baltics) would be under separate rule (still under a German royal family though) because if Poland ever becomes free from Germany, it would be a challenge to the German empire. Also, what about the polish majority German empire areas? what happens to them? Please do answer my questions or correct my statement since I am curious to know what happens. thank you for reading this! By the way, what editing software do you use? I wish to make mapping videos like you. :D
This video is Fire 🔥❤️✨
One of your best videos🔥❤️✨
Appreciate it! Bulgarian power strong!
@@rewriting-history u remember mee🥹
As the guy who made Zapadoslavia in the current RP on RH’s discord server, I approve of this video!
I just love how this guy sidetracks the whole video just to have an excuse to show off coins or talk about them even if he doesn't have them. Be never change, rewriting history, never change.
We need to get a Romanian Principalities restoration vid!
After the Austro-Prussian war, no significant parts of land were annexed by Prussia, since it would't make Austrians mad at Prussians and would therefor be easier to make alliance with them. In this alternate timeline, I think that only regions directly bordering Russia would be annexed, since it would make the said alliance easier to secure. The rest of Galicia could be then ceded trough political pressure or sold to Poland (this is more probable in my view)
Suggestion: What if Joseph Bonaparte stayed in naples instead of spain?
Video idea:what if Bulgaria and Romania united in 1878 as proposed and they would still be a union today
What if the templar knights order were able to resist the french purge?
Princess Maria Augusta of Saxony (1782-1863) was proclaimed in 1791 infanta of Poland. She was childless, but any prince from Wettin dynasty would be suitable.
Great video, but the Poles would likely elect a Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen Prince, as they were related to the Prussians but were Catholic.
What if there was a treaty of Berlin style agreement when the Americas were discovered? (Shorter version: What if the treaty of Tordesillas was Europe wide)
Love your videos man! I was wondering if maybe you could do another interactive history in the future! Perhaps being Austria Hungary or Prussia!
Appreciate the support! I'm not looking so far to create such video, as it took me longer than to write a whole book. I decided that it's not worth it for now
@@rewriting-history wow that’s a long time! Understandable.
What If Japan 🇯🇵 remained neutral during the time of WW2
That would bring peace and western development to these regions. You can trust the polish government! They were for modernisation. If you look upon the French revolution, they have embraced the new principles perfectly. They speak the main language of the region and had partners of the baltic states.
Absolutely best scenario 10/10
Glad you liked it!
0:28 what about 1794 Kościuszko Uprising or poles rebelling to join Napoleon's army or 1830 November Uprising
1:58 Calling Wielkopolski pro russian is crazy, he wasn't pro russian but also wasn't supporting badly planned uprising attempts, he wanted to balance between both sides of divided nation to help industralize nation and gain more and more autonomy from Tsardom. He managed to pass many reforms in polish lands so he wasn't liked by Tsar and was seen as a threat
There are many uprisings, but I just chose this one, any could work
I like your video but I dont agree with 2 things :
1 : Bismark did not annexed any Austrian territory because he knew that they would ally with France if he did as they would want revenge for their loss. So by giving Galicia to Poland this would happen.
So there are 2 possibilities : 1 Poland get Galicia but Germany loose Austria Hungary as an ally. 2 Poland does not get Galicia so Austria Hungary and Germany can be allies after (may be, as the creation of Poland changes a lot of things, i would argue that by creating Poland the germans have lost Austria as an ally as Poland will always be a threat to Austria because of the large number of slaves in the empire).
2: This is ww1 tech, you cant expect the central powers to just blitz throught Russia, in our ww1 they tried that and failed once the Russians shortened the lenght of the front. They dont have tanks yet to do this kind of manoeuvers so the Germans reaching Moscow of Petrograd seems very unlikely (unless there is a revolution ofc).
Alternatively, there could have been an exchange. Galicia goes to Poland, but Prussia gives up catholic Bavaria to Austria
@@PomorskiWilk good idea indeed
@@DK-ig8zi And very real. The Lutheran Prussians really disliked the Catholic Bavarians and there was a strong rivalry between them in the Reichstag. On the other hand, by creating a strong Poland with Galicia, they would inevitably create a future enemy, because Poles would have claims to the Posen Region and Danziger Pomerania. That is why Germans would implement a plan like they tried during World War I - a Poland consisting of the lands of the Congress Kingdom and a separate Lithuania and Ukraine
How about the video about Hetmanate? Іt would be interesting to look at all possible options for events in your style
He ignored your proposition, unfortunately
@@bebrogitler k
@@ІлляЖовтопуп той булгар лярва кончена(
What if Austrian Statesman Schwarzenberg lived longer?
Honestly this timeline is better than the one we have.
One issue, Poland didn't get madagascar 😭
Next time!
Why wouldn’t Germany at least take the rest of the Lorraine basin ? 90% of all French iron were very close to the German border
Nice video. But I don’t understand, why did the entente lose so quickly? Surely the Polish army wouldn’t make such a big difference
It's for the video's sake. I cannot go over 5 more minutes of content, so I had to speed it up
Good video 👍
Thanks! I just uploaded it and I hope you will like it!
8:37 what golden times? Poland was the dominant power trying to spread it's identity and religion
I mean, I doubt that's the way ww1 would go, or that Austria and Poland would just reconcile if Austria gives Galicia
And a lot of random things
isnt the flag from thumbnail the country of Bohemia-Moravia?
No its the flag of commonwealth of 3 nations, short lasting concept of united Poland, Lithuania, and Ukraine
not bad good video got idea what if kazakhstan never left soviet union dumb idea but fun
Bruh spain CAN YOU NOT BE IN A CIVIL WAR FOR A SECOND!!
HOI4 moment of all time
No
Painter should be a prince in this universe
Can you pls do what if albania sided with tito in the tito-stalin split
that wont change much outside of albania
@@yaboi3398 thats the exact reason why I want it
Very interesting timeline. 👍👍👍🍍🍍🍍🍍
Glad you think so!
@@rewriting-history 🍍!
@@hanifinio idk what's up with the pineapple but sure!
@@rewriting-history :D secret but great videos. Youre like Possible History (the one I first watched) but without the overwatch on realism leading to these.
As a german i see this as an absolute win
Glad you liked it!
Lore of What if Poland-Lithuania was restored in 1863? Momentum 100
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0:07 123* years
I don’t think the Americans would get involved in this second war because now the Japanese have no need to attack them. They struck southwards because they needed oil after America embargoed them but that only happened cause they occupied French Indochina. If anything, America is even more isolationist in this timeline without a democratic Britain.
Europe in 18th to 19th centuries: bruh why da hell is happening all the time😫i just finished 5 rebels how do they come larger and larger
Meanwhile Bavaria: 0:17, 0:24, 0:41
Poland Strong!!
Lithuania Strong!!
Poland-Lithuania Super Strong!!!!!
100% agree!
0:28 You made a mistake, there was one major Polish uprising before 1863 which was the November Uprising 1830-31
5:30 I would think they would rather get some prince from saxony since Wettin dynasty had a history of rulling over Poland and thus some legitimacy while still beeing conected to Germany.
There's a aspect of this that seems to have been passed over:
From the 1880s to the 1910s, the US received over fur million immigrants, most of them from what in this history would have been the new Poland-Lithuania. With self-rule established in the region, would that many have come over during that time?
The loss of so many Poles coming through Ellis Island (and potentially a large Jewish population from that area as well) could have impacted American development, both economically and culturally. By the time the new version of the World War gets started, the US that ultimately enters the conflict may not be as strong or willing to join the world stage as our own did. For that matter, might the radical change in immigration patters have put the US on a completely different tact domestically that its willingness and possible ability to become engaged with the world have been completely changed, possibly to the point that there'd be an absence of American involvement in world affairs...?
I find it quite unrealistic that Germany wouldn’t at least secure the United Baltic duchy as a protectorate
1:56 He was Wielopolski, not Wielkopolski. Apart from that great video!
Appreciate that! Imagine pronouncing right "Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz" and not Wielopolski lol
@@rewriting-history Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz from Chrząszczyżewoszyce (Powiat Łękołody) always in our hearts! You probably mixed Wielopolski surname with Wielkopolska Uprising and thats the tea
@@PepeePolska Yeah I assumed he was from the province, hence his name
Would you consider that there was a concerted effort to purge the region of ethnic Poles altogether with a total ban on the teaching of Polish and ruthless punishment of anyone caught speaking Polish in the German and Russian occupied area? Could it have worked if the Austrians also implemented ethnic cleansing policies?
After all, such efforts were made. Schools in Germany or Russia did not conduct education in polish. In Germany, there was not a single subject in polish (not even religion) and in Russia, only religion was taught in Polish (Poles were Catholics) and polish language was an optional subject. However, no one was able to force catholic priests to preach in german or russian or force people to speak not polish at home
Very interesting scenario
This is literally me in World Conquest LOL
So this is basically Kizerredux/Kaizerriech
You are one of my fav althist youtubers
I appreciate that, really strange being on the other side of the screen and receiving this message. It's weird starting 10 months ago and already being the favorite of some people! Thank you!
Awesome! What if an Ubykh rebellion happened and it survived as a language and nation to the modern day? How could this have happened and what would be changed?
So this time Bismarck played 5d- instead of 4d-chess
Yo this was my latest Victoria 2 game
Based on our history I'm sure that Poland-Lithuania would join ultra-nationalist powers, not Central Powers. The only possible scenario where Poland-Lithuania joins Central Powers would be if Poland got Poznan and Gdansk back before the war. We would join ultra-nationalist powers right because of these two occupied regions.
so basically what if bismarck wasn't bismarck
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This timeline I could get behind. The Poles are able to have a coast and Germany is helping them, what’s not to enjoy bout it.
Well, history whould be super mixed up if that happened
Losing Angola is wild
Which country's flag was the first?
If Sweden in this scenario was able to liberate Åland, why didn’t it continue and liberate the non Bolshevik part of Finland and let the Finns decide their own future.
very nice video sigma
What if Somalia won the ogaden war and created greater somalia
What if spain had competent rulers since the beginning?
Poland wouldn't give up Poznań and Wielkopolska
It was actually me
Can you make a video about "What if Bulgaria won the Bulgarian Byzantian wars"
Civil war speedrun be like:
Polish-Lithuania exists = most of the greatest tragedies in the history of Europe never happens.
Video idea: What if the Ottoman Empire stayed neutral in WW1?
in 1831 in Russia There was November uprising
sorry to say but this is just unrealistic (im talking abt the ww1 part) the more teh central powers advance into power the closer the us is into joining the war also you forgot about 1 crucial thing: germany was starving to death due to the british blocase
Never claimed it was realistic, I just aimed for the scenario that would benefit Poland-Lithuania the most
@@rewriting-history alr i underrstamd but your work is good man
Keep it up ❤
@@theendermans8090 Appreciate that!
Interesting what if.. only thing that just wont let me chill is the fact that Austria-Hungary sided with Germany even when they took such a huge land from them.
Bismarck didnt take any land besides the schleswig holstein exactly because he knew they would became too hostile and Germany could use AH as an ally later on .. and with punishing them harshly it could be hard to do so or impossible.
I think in this scenario AH would side with Russia because they both lost their parts of Poland and that would make a bond/together enemy.
Maybe they dont have a direct connection but Hey … so does not France and UK
This way it could be much worse for Germany actually .. but at the same time i think Britain would stay neutral because it would be already balanced war. If German have this many enemies Britain probably could see France-Russian alliance as the main thread.. Britain goal was always to mantain balance on continent so there will be no great rival for them… maybe they could even support Germany who knows xD
Also.. dunno if Polish would be happy allies of Germany forever.. because Germany too owns a land that belongs to Poland even if its kinda disputed territories because of the large German population it was polish and many polish live there.. so I guess they would later demand it and Germany would not likely give it up = tentions are made and probably there could be some side switching or basically not helping each other.
You can see polish state was restored in our timeline in WW1 by Germans .. but polish prefer to side with allies because they promised them more land and really independence.. not just beeing a small buffer semipuppet.
But Hey its my opinion. Its hard to predict what ifs.. especially like many years after the change in timeline there is multiple other what ifs
when "What if warsaw uprising succeded"
Using a russian flag for Polish-Lthuania is crazy!
What if Egypt had marched all the way to Constantinople?
Ye, but we lost Poznan. If the ruling family is the same why wouldn't they give it back?
What about Bulgaria-Romania???? 🤔
There was also the november uprising
Why without East Prussia?
The Spain thing is totally unrealistic on top of the already unrealistic scenario, in a scenario like this the germanophile conservatives would be more powerful inside the country, and Primo de Rivera wouldn't be dictator, and basically whatever type of uprising to proclaim a republic (wich actually happened irl before the peaceful proclamation) would be crushed and with that any hope of the republic be gone, as the only possible support it could get would be from Russia who would be recovering still, and no, the Falangists wouldnt rebel either, they would have no motive as to even exist due to Spain already being on the rise and led by the strong conservative party instead of OTL's instable II Republic.
And the whole Prussia supporting a polish uprising in Congress Poland is simply too unrealistic because that would cause MASSIVE tensions in the polish parts of Prussia.
But Otto von Bismarck hated Poland.