Those Cardassian cruisers that managed to get out of space dock really made good time. Swung across the planet and manged to intercept the decoy ships. I liked seeing the 'little' fights back when this aired. Good stuff.
A brilliant description of martok’s strategy that is basically cavalry raid with ships of the enemy’s logistics and infrastructure network behind the lines. To further weaken and disrupt the enemy ability to fight. However with true Klingon style, raid goes pear shaped after first action turning it into a race for survival back to friendly space.
I love how Martok thinks he is coming up with a novel tactic, then Sisko goes and shows that while humans are peaceful now, they weren’t always. You can sort of see it in Martoks face.
@@jonny-b4954 Other than "How much antimatter do you actually want on a planet's surface?" power restraints. I mean I GUESS you could use huge networks of fusion reactors instead.
except for some unlucky person who just happens to be sitting at an exploding console that blows up in their face. always some unknown person, proabbly the new guy just transferred. oh well ensign whoever bad luck tough luck on the first day.
In truth Sisqo should’ve sent a cloaked Carrier with Federation fighters and Danube Class shuttles with them. The Fighters would act as a diversion and the Danube as escape crafts.
They should have considered making a show about this ship and crew. But instead we got Discovery. Why don’t they ever make the content people actually want to see? Even after we talk about it for years the writers of these shows just go “Oh the fans don’t know what they want to see! Lets fill up a ship with an all lesbian crew and a crying Spock instead!”
They now have political agendas and every writer/producer thinks they are fighting a culture war in which the famous IPs are their weapons to push their own desires on the public, canon and fandom be damned!
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 Ah yes, only now are there political agendas in Star Trek. It's not as though Roddenberry's original vision was of a crew that was highly diverse for its time, it's not as though he wanted gay characters in TNG but was stymied by the networks of the time. It's not as though Star Trek has had a political agenda basically from the start.
I expected them to actually ride horses raiding their way past these defenses beaming down into the base once its shields were gone. OOPS, wrong franchise in science fiction that aged well in the Last Jedi, right?.
Klingon photon torpedoes suck! They have less range than WW II unguided bombs. Seriously, did the director base the base attack scene on teh Pearl Harbor attack? They could have decloak and fired from orbit. A planet side base has terrible maneuverability to dodge photon torpedoes.
Birds of Prey are Close attack Ships. their weapons are meant to be used CLOSE. also the base defenses can shoot down torpedoes fired from high orbit. Vor'cha class ships might be able to launch enough but Negh'Var class ships would overwhelm it in seconds. but remember that wasn't the plan. the plan was to damage it and run. thus the class of ships they brought.
@stevensimison625 is there any suggestion trek weapons are accurate enough to shoot down incoming torpedoes? I don't recall anything along those lines until lower decks. Heck I have seen near misses on and by Ent-D
@@davidlewis5312 Yes actually. star trek generations. Worf states that it would take 15 seconds to lock on to a probe fired from veridian 3. Now mind you it would take 11 to go from the planet to the star. so digest the factors here. one probes in trek tend to use the same systems. (lazy I know) but in simple terms a probe and torpedo move the same way and at similar speeds. second Worf has no idea where the probe is being launched from, so scanning for, identifying, targeting, and then firing takes that long. Now with a ship bombarding you from orbit. Ships can't fire from cloak. (most of the time) enemy ship decloaks ALL your sensors FOCUS on that ship. it starts shooting torpedoes from high orbit down at you. you see where they are coming from and your LIGHT biased energy weapons target anything coming out of that ship. This is why there are Phasers or Disrupters. those things melt energy shields and manage to damage your target as the energy fields and particle screens reenergize where they have been dissipated. when they are weak or disabled. THATS when you torpedo them to death. when you have a base that can hold 10,000 the POWER it can put to the shields, is immense. but its not moving. thus the style of attack. swoop down, decloak, blast with what you got, get the hell out.
All these space shows are ridiculous when it comes to scales. The sheer scale of space is never depicted, because you would never see more than one thing in a frame.
Spiral Wave Disruptors are no pop guns. They can cause severe damage to even larger Federation ships - there's a reason the Fed/Cardassian conflict was such a mess. Plus, it looks like the BoP got hit in the EXACT same spot Kirk shot the BoP in ST6 - it's basically the worst place to take a hit on a BoP. Combine that with the raw power of a SWD and likely weakened shields, and.. yeah. Pop goes the Birdie.
That moment when the klingon officer realises
"Oh crap Ive been taking orders from someone who thinks we're still fighting the federation."
Those Cardassian cruisers that managed to get out of space dock really made good time. Swung across the planet and manged to intercept the decoy ships. I liked seeing the 'little' fights back when this aired. Good stuff.
I truly love those Klingon Birds of Prey Ships. Absolutely beautiful and elegant war machines!!
But they are destroyed so easily!
@@HeavilyCensoredKitty And they have massive blind spots to the rear.
@@HeavilyCensoredKitty only in ds9
@@maikbaumann1250 They're TMP era ships, very old by the time of DS9. So it's understandable.
Literally the worst ships.
A brilliant description of martok’s strategy that is basically cavalry raid with ships of the enemy’s logistics and infrastructure network behind the lines. To further weaken and disrupt the enemy ability to fight.
However with true Klingon style, raid goes pear shaped after first action turning it into a race for survival back to friendly space.
One of the best DS9 episodes ever.
I love how Martok thinks he is coming up with a novel tactic, then Sisko goes and shows that while humans are peaceful now, they weren’t always. You can sort of see it in Martoks face.
There's no way it could be a novel tactic, it's way too basic. Klingons might just have a different term for it, like "twenty good men" or something.
@@RogueShadows depends on if the klingon home world had horse like animals. targs look pretty small to ride into battle.
@@RogueShadows Agreed
@@russellmz Motorcycles would still be ancient enough.
@@russellmz, Targs look like wild boar
That was a hell of a catch from worf.
Those base defense turrets are NO joke.
The first time we see surface-to-space weapons in Star Trek.
As you'd expect really, not limited by power constraints and size constraints of a starship.
@@jonny-b4954 like the heavy phaser IVs mounted on starbases. Didn't take too long to punch through a ship's shields in Starfleet Battles, ouch.
@@PaulCashman Indeed, they were ruthless.
@@jonny-b4954 Other than "How much antimatter do you actually want on a planet's surface?" power restraints. I mean I GUESS you could use huge networks of fusion reactors instead.
This is one of my favorite DS9 episodes.
Martok's enthusiasm for the raid is palpable. Now I want to go raiding behind Dominion lines.
" By the hand of Ka'las" that ole fool!!!!
What a time to have a senior moment....
@@digitaldigdug7811 Yeah, it comes and goes when you reach 50. The ole proverbial bell curve.
Kahless
Space boomer.
I like how the camera spins and twists downwards as the birds of prey enter the planet’s atmosphere, pleasantly disorienting.
The best part was left out. Watching the whole squadron of bird of preys leaving DS9 and cloaking is badass to watch.
With all the explosions, the electrical systems on Klingon ships must be from the planet ACME.
Their support ships are such bad asses. They stay with lead nomatter if there Captain and First Officers are dead!!
Babylon 5 won a Hugo award for “Dramatic Presentation” and DS9 went “Hold my beer 😳”
You haven't seen "Severed Dreams" on B5, have you?
Nothing in Star Trek matches that.
@@TechnoMageB5 Babylon 5 was nice in its time. DS9 CGI was more advanced. They had a higher budget. Fantastic writing and acting in both shows.
@@TechnoMageB5 It's only part of the Severed Dreams fight that's amazing. Too much of it is spent in Ivanova's cockpit looking at nothing.
Escape course, Now!
Why is it, that when a Klingon bridge is shaken, sparks and smoke come out; but when a Federation bridge is shaken, rocks come out?
What?
Anti smoke rocks
@@johnmckeon902 so Federation ships are like smokeless BBQs?
except for some unlucky person who just happens to be sitting at an exploding console that blows up in their face. always some unknown person, proabbly the new guy just transferred. oh well ensign whoever bad luck tough luck on the first day.
Better than the flame throwers venting regularly on Discovery’s bridge. Strange design 😊
One thing cool here is this is one of the rare instances of ships engaging in combat just above a planet's surface. Don't see that much in Star Trek.
Martock is easily the most popular Klingon. Sorry Worf.
Nah, Worf's the man 😎
Nah. You both are way off! Commander Kruge!
For me, it will always be Kang, Kor, and Koloth.
Such a shame that Klingon starship design apparently suffers from the same "C4-laced control panels" problem as the UFP.
Explodium
Klingon Bridge Bunnies ❤!
In truth Sisqo should’ve sent a cloaked Carrier with Federation fighters and Danube Class shuttles with them. The Fighters would act as a diversion and the Danube as escape crafts.
Romulans are still cagey about that so it would need to have been a klingon ship
A single Akira class starship with such a bonus feature would fit the bill nicely.
This is where gamma ray bursts really come from.
Yep, Captain Kirk did pretty good there?😮😂😂😂😂😊
So when Martok was shouting for them to leave the system, were the idiots on the bridge just pretending not to hear him?
Gaius Baltar using Tactics better suited for the Battlestar Galactica.
Husker Hailmary
Always wondered why they never believed in seat belts. Lol
I've always wondered how the Klingons can justify cloaking when they always talk about honor
Stealth has never been dishonorable.
"All warfare is deception."
- Tsun Tsu
They should have considered making a show about this ship and crew. But instead we got Discovery. Why don’t they ever make the content people actually want to see? Even after we talk about it for years the writers of these shows just go “Oh the fans don’t know what they want to see! Lets fill up a ship with an all lesbian crew and a crying Spock instead!”
They now have political agendas and every writer/producer thinks they are fighting a culture war in which the famous IPs are their weapons to push their own desires on the public, canon and fandom be damned!
You do know that Star Trek is all about free love. Thus, Trekkies have no issue with lesbians.
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 Ah yes, only now are there political agendas in Star Trek. It's not as though Roddenberry's original vision was of a crew that was highly diverse for its time, it's not as though he wanted gay characters in TNG but was stymied by the networks of the time. It's not as though Star Trek has had a political agenda basically from the start.
The medieval French term for what Martok has in mind is chevauchee.
Ah yes, the "small war"s that ravaged the country side of europe. Good catch.
They were lured into a trap
I expected them to actually ride horses raiding their way past these defenses beaming down into the base once its shields were gone. OOPS, wrong franchise in science fiction that aged well in the Last Jedi, right?.
Klingon photon torpedoes suck! They have less range than WW II unguided bombs.
Seriously, did the director base the base attack scene on teh Pearl Harbor attack? They could have decloak and fired from orbit. A planet side base has terrible maneuverability to dodge photon torpedoes.
Birds of Prey are Close attack Ships. their weapons are meant to be used CLOSE. also the base defenses can shoot down torpedoes fired from high orbit. Vor'cha class ships might be able to launch enough but Negh'Var class ships would overwhelm it in seconds. but remember that wasn't the plan. the plan was to damage it and run. thus the class of ships they brought.
@stevensimison625 is there any suggestion trek weapons are accurate enough to shoot down incoming torpedoes? I don't recall anything along those lines until lower decks. Heck I have seen near misses on and by Ent-D
@@davidlewis5312 Yes actually. star trek generations. Worf states that it would take 15 seconds to lock on to a probe fired from veridian 3. Now mind you it would take 11 to go from the planet to the star. so digest the factors here. one probes in trek tend to use the same systems. (lazy I know) but in simple terms a probe and torpedo move the same way and at similar speeds. second Worf has no idea where the probe is being launched from, so scanning for, identifying, targeting, and then firing takes that long. Now with a ship bombarding you from orbit. Ships can't fire from cloak. (most of the time) enemy ship decloaks ALL your sensors FOCUS on that ship. it starts shooting torpedoes from high orbit down at you. you see where they are coming from and your LIGHT biased energy weapons target anything coming out of that ship.
This is why there are Phasers or Disrupters. those things melt energy shields and manage to damage your target as the energy fields and particle screens reenergize where they have been dissipated. when they are weak or disabled. THATS when you torpedo them to death. when you have a base that can hold 10,000 the POWER it can put to the shields, is immense. but its not moving. thus the style of attack. swoop down, decloak, blast with what you got, get the hell out.
that is what Klingons are they won't fire from orbit theres no honour in that they want the frill of the fight to die with honour
All these space shows are ridiculous when it comes to scales. The sheer scale of space is never depicted, because you would never see more than one thing in a frame.
If Joe Biden was a Klingon
So true😂😂...except, he'd fallen over on his own😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kor's final act saved Martok, and potentially the empire.
Weird how the Cardassian ship destroyed the bird of pray with one shot
“A lucky shot sir.”
Those spinal disruptor are bad news
Spiral Wave Disruptors are no pop guns. They can cause severe damage to even larger Federation ships - there's a reason the Fed/Cardassian conflict was such a mess. Plus, it looks like the BoP got hit in the EXACT same spot Kirk shot the BoP in ST6 - it's basically the worst place to take a hit on a BoP. Combine that with the raw power of a SWD and likely weakened shields, and.. yeah. Pop goes the Birdie.