Exiles also need to keep in mind that there's an opportunity cost of simply using the amulet AT ALL. So while 310% external multi may be the crossover to where using Marylene's is a dps loss, the real comparison is not using Marylene's or not, it is using Marylene's or X other amulet. The point at which any other amulet could've given you more is much lower than 310.
Excellent point. I tried to articulate this at the end, but it’s difficult to capture it when the other options can vary so widely; like how do you weigh the value of something like a +2 amulet vs Omniscience vs Eternal Damnation. It’s tricky and there’s not necessarily a “correct” answer. The 310 number is more useful as a “never use over this” but it’s not as clear cut on the under side of the threshold.
I actually made a Lightning Tendrils build with Marylene’s fallacy this league. I used an item called Duskdawn which I believe was overlooked in this video. Duskdawn allows you to double dip by causing chance to block attack dmg to scale crit multi as well. It also gives bonuses for having crit recently and for not having crit recently. This allows you to scale dmg by simply scaling lightning tendrils base hit with arcane cloak and mana stacking, cast speed, and crit multi. Aoe problems are solved by the Heirophant ascendancy, so the rest of your gear can go towards defensive layers, strength, intelligence, and mana.
yep, there's a reason no one is using it short of extremely niche case of lightning tendrils alt qual (btw with unstable catalysted marylene's gets 288 crit multi / 48% less crit chance) no point mentioning plume, it's purely a meme at this point after heatshiver buff even in builds with very abundant crit - namely ice spear which has both super-high 7% basecrit AND 600% crit chance which on class like inquis or assassin is very realistic to critcap even with marylene's it's just not worth it / worse than than random 1-div rare amu with fitting stats and just not paying opportunity cost yeah there is at ton of ways to work around that less mod like doppleganger's guise / more melee crit chance timeless / lucky crit chance timeless, it's just never worth the opportunity cost. you also can't usually get a ton of critchance specifically on tree without getting critdamage too, so critdamage starts to run into diminishing returns quickly with marylene's making problem even worse it must be buffed to like 400+ crit multi to be worth considering in current meta
Quick thing to add, the amulet specifically having evasion rating present enables it to work with the evasion/energy shield mastery that grants increased energy shield recharge rate if your amulet has evasion. It's essentially the only unique amulet that has a useful effect that can be used with that mastery.
You deserve so much more recognition for these videos. So many people don't understand these fundamental concepts. Which is understandable because there is so much to poe to learn. Thanks!
Excellent video! I especially love the graphs. I feel like proper visualization of numerical analyses is the one thing some other channels could improve on. There are a few more niche mechanics that could maybe get an honorable mention, but I understand not including them due to their current place in the meta. Stuff like: - Perfect Agony ignite/bleed - Destructive Link in party play - Ambush Having said that, the video has a nice length as it is and I guess there's always the option for a follow-up if the meta changes.
Alt ailments like Brittle would have been a worthwhile mention here for mitigating the less crit. Often times having full brittle is already doubling your base crit, so "40% less" becomes less (not to be confused with decreased) impactful.
These videos are very high quality, arguably genius contributions. Please keep making them. There are a lot of mechanics that could use theoretical extrapolation. I always wonder about certain items/skills when buildcrafting and don't always find comprehensive analyses. E.g., the Enhance support gem shows a lot of potential but I don't know enough about the various alternate qualities and +gem level items to know what combs work best, but it stands to reason in the right circumstances, it could provide more benefit in a six link than a +% more multiplier gem like Concentrated Effect.
A good way to learn about what alt qualities are good is going to poe.ninja and looking at characters that are using Dialla’s Malefaction. (Filter out characters with 6-link void sphere, it’s a cheese build for TotA only)
excellent video, i've used it before and had wasted a ton of "ineffective" crit multi in my build as i didn't know break points so just assumed more simply meant more and stacked away :)
This amulet if mostly used early days of the league in group play, when a carry has this and them a support player has a Destructive Link with the Trypanon unique mace to grant 100% chance to crit.
Great video! Another point is belt focus crit lucky unveil is really strong for lucky crit with Marylene’s is really strong and less downside compared to Dance to the Death.
This was my first league and I actually ran marylenes with heatshiver and lightning tendrils. Great damage but my survivability was so lacking. And as a noob, I didn’t really know how to scale my survivability with this build so I gave up and turned to a more meta build. I wish more people used LT, I really wanted to make that build work lol
The big defensive problem with Lightning Tendrils is that it’s a channeling skill so it locks you in place when you use it. Moving out of the way is one of the strongest defensive layers in PoE! 😄
If you playing party, one of the support characters can equip trypanon. Then you can give destructive link that make target critical strike chance equal yours, so 100%. And then, you can equip marylene’s fallacy on carry without any drawback, just pure crit multi.
Not to be pedantic, but Trypanon makes crit chance 100%; that is still scaled down to 60% due to the Marylenes downside. It’s a little different than lightning tendrils / plume of pursuit which guarantee crit. That being said, it’s very easy to cap crit anyway when you have a base of 60!
My favourite combination is marylenes with an actum blitz berzerker! At a maximum of 30% crit chance at all times you can invest in defences while your damage is pretty much set!
There is another vool combo with this amy: plume of pursuit, winds of fate, spell echo. First cast deals no damage, second cast deals auto crit with a whole lot of multi
I think there is a missed opportunity to consider doppleganger guise's up 60% more critical strike chance which should bring you up to ~96% effective crit chance.
Thanks for the video. Still struggle to wrap my head around it. Playing hexblast miner right now. Was using Marylenes and just recently got a +1/+1 skills amulet. With the rare amulet and 4 power charges up I am at 100 to crit and 313 to crit multi. From my understanding of your video, I am over the 310 multi break and so the +1/+1 skills amulet is better than the Marylenes. Did I get that right?
Does the 313 crit multi include your characters base 150 (a), or is that additional ON TOP of the base 150 (b)? If a, Marylenes would be competitive and you should check in path of building. If (b) you’re much better off with the +2 gem amulet Also depends if you’re JUST at 100% crit chance or are well overcapped without Marylenes.
@@Surgeon_General thanks for the answers. Not very good in POB but it seems marylenes is slightly better. But, considering I spent 30d for the new amulet I am obligated to use it! Marylenes seems only slightly better so with the added life and chaos resist I gain on the rare amulet I guess the trade off is fine. The damage difference is not noticeable to me in game.
If you play a build that gets ridiculous amounts of criti, it's easily best in slot over any amulet you can ever craft. Life stacking hexblast with the sandstorms visage helmet.
You don't need any of these. Just for 1k+ crit multi (which is pretty easy to get with actum) and wait for that 1 crit hit to almost one shot anything.
what would be in ur opinion to be the best skill to use the Marylene's + Sandstorm Visage + Trypanon? also adding the unique gems to get 800+ crit multi in total
With that combination, you’d have a pretty easy time capping crit even with Marylenes; the uniques don’t have any other real synergies apart from crit so you can choose pretty much any hit based skill. Base your choice on other factors apart from crit, since that parts solved.
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Exiles also need to keep in mind that there's an opportunity cost of simply using the amulet AT ALL. So while 310% external multi may be the crossover to where using Marylene's is a dps loss, the real comparison is not using Marylene's or not, it is using Marylene's or X other amulet. The point at which any other amulet could've given you more is much lower than 310.
Excellent point. I tried to articulate this at the end, but it’s difficult to capture it when the other options can vary so widely; like how do you weigh the value of something like a +2 amulet vs Omniscience vs Eternal Damnation. It’s tricky and there’s not necessarily a “correct” answer.
The 310 number is more useful as a “never use over this” but it’s not as clear cut on the under side of the threshold.
Yeah I think it is super useful information, as a lot of pobs/guides will include things like Marylenes without this context. Great vid!
I actually made a Lightning Tendrils build with Marylene’s fallacy this league. I used an item called Duskdawn which I believe was overlooked in this video. Duskdawn allows you to double dip by causing chance to block attack dmg to scale crit multi as well. It also gives bonuses for having crit recently and for not having crit recently. This allows you to scale dmg by simply scaling lightning tendrils base hit with arcane cloak and mana stacking, cast speed, and crit multi. Aoe problems are solved by the Heirophant ascendancy, so the rest of your gear can go towards defensive layers, strength, intelligence, and mana.
yep, there's a reason no one is using it short of extremely niche case of lightning tendrils alt qual
(btw with unstable catalysted marylene's gets 288 crit multi / 48% less crit chance)
no point mentioning plume, it's purely a meme at this point after heatshiver buff
even in builds with very abundant crit - namely ice spear which has both super-high 7% basecrit AND 600% crit chance which on class like inquis or assassin is very realistic to critcap even with marylene's it's just not worth it / worse than than random 1-div rare amu with fitting stats and just not paying opportunity cost
yeah there is at ton of ways to work around that less mod like doppleganger's guise / more melee crit chance timeless / lucky crit chance timeless, it's just never worth the opportunity cost.
you also can't usually get a ton of critchance specifically on tree without getting critdamage too, so critdamage starts to run into diminishing returns quickly with marylene's making problem even worse
it must be buffed to like 400+ crit multi to be worth considering in current meta
@@chozhang2823 sounds interesting, do you mind sharing a pob please?
Quick thing to add, the amulet specifically having evasion rating present enables it to work with the evasion/energy shield mastery that grants increased energy shield recharge rate if your amulet has evasion. It's essentially the only unique amulet that has a useful effect that can be used with that mastery.
You deserve so much more recognition for these videos. So many people don't understand these fundamental concepts. Which is understandable because there is so much to poe to learn. Thanks!
Excellent video!
I especially love the graphs. I feel like proper visualization of numerical analyses is the one thing some other channels could improve on.
There are a few more niche mechanics that could maybe get an honorable mention, but I understand not including them due to their current place in the meta.
Stuff like:
- Perfect Agony ignite/bleed
- Destructive Link in party play
- Ambush
Having said that, the video has a nice length as it is and I guess there's always the option for a follow-up if the meta changes.
I know when to use Marylene's, but I subbed because this is a really nerdy video, I love it.
Alt ailments like Brittle would have been a worthwhile mention here for mitigating the less crit. Often times having full brittle is already doubling your base crit, so "40% less" becomes less (not to be confused with decreased) impactful.
These videos are very high quality, arguably genius contributions. Please keep making them. There are a lot of mechanics that could use theoretical extrapolation. I always wonder about certain items/skills when buildcrafting and don't always find comprehensive analyses. E.g., the Enhance support gem shows a lot of potential but I don't know enough about the various alternate qualities and +gem level items to know what combs work best, but it stands to reason in the right circumstances, it could provide more benefit in a six link than a +% more multiplier gem like Concentrated Effect.
A good way to learn about what alt qualities are good is going to poe.ninja and looking at characters that are using Dialla’s Malefaction. (Filter out characters with 6-link void sphere, it’s a cheese build for TotA only)
excellent video, i've used it before and had wasted a ton of "ineffective" crit multi in my build as i didn't know break points so just assumed more simply meant more and stacked away :)
Just watched all your videos , fantastic stuff great work
This amulet if mostly used early days of the league in group play, when a carry has this and them a support player has a Destructive Link with the Trypanon unique mace to grant 100% chance to crit.
I never realised what the art was depicting. I learned something in the very first few seconds already.
Great video!
Another point is belt focus crit lucky unveil is really strong for lucky crit with Marylene’s is really strong and less downside compared to Dance to the Death.
I love these videos. You deserve more subs for sure bro. Keep up the awesome work , its appreciated !
This was my first league and I actually ran marylenes with heatshiver and lightning tendrils. Great damage but my survivability was so lacking. And as a noob, I didn’t really know how to scale my survivability with this build so I gave up and turned to a more meta build. I wish more people used LT, I really wanted to make that build work lol
The big defensive problem with Lightning Tendrils is that it’s a channeling skill so it locks you in place when you use it. Moving out of the way is one of the strongest defensive layers in PoE! 😄
There’s a unique called trypanon which has the unique line all attacks are critical strikes, this would be a cool combo to try make work
Only build I know of that uses that is Sandstorm Visage, and even there it's only used as a temporary transition weapon.
If you playing party, one of the support characters can equip trypanon. Then you can give destructive link that make target critical strike chance equal yours, so 100%. And then, you can equip marylene’s fallacy on carry without any drawback, just pure crit multi.
Not to be pedantic, but Trypanon makes crit chance 100%; that is still scaled down to 60% due to the Marylenes downside. It’s a little different than lightning tendrils / plume of pursuit which guarantee crit.
That being said, it’s very easy to cap crit anyway when you have a base of 60!
My favourite combination is marylenes with an actum blitz berzerker! At a maximum of 30% crit chance at all times you can invest in defences while your damage is pretty much set!
I use Actum Butcher Axe with Marylene’s Fallacy then get lucky crit from focus system along with other focus buffs.
There is another vool combo with this amy: plume of pursuit, winds of fate, spell echo.
First cast deals no damage, second cast deals auto crit with a whole lot of multi
You also lose out on a possibly skill
Changing lab enchant with dance with death on the helmet.
Very good point, hadn’t considered that when making the video and can be very important for certain skills
This is awesome. Well done, sir.
Super interesting, thx for the well made presentation
I love your vids! please keep making more!
Very educational
Love this ammy with plume of pursuit and divergent spell echo for cheap dps. Not super endgame but a great early mapping option 😊
I think there is a missed opportunity to consider doppleganger guise's up 60% more critical strike chance which should bring you up to ~96% effective crit chance.
belt focus mod for lucky crit is op also capping with sandstorm visage might be good to cap as well? use Hyperboreus if you want to try it out
Great video and analysis
what about Divinarious skean.. it has a ton of crit for spells.. 400% if capped.. would certainly make it easy to get to 100% cap on crit..
Nice dance with death, that what i am using for my build :D
Excellent video!
Thanks for the video. Still struggle to wrap my head around it. Playing hexblast miner right now. Was using Marylenes and just recently got a +1/+1 skills amulet. With the rare amulet and 4 power charges up I am at 100 to crit and 313 to crit multi. From my understanding of your video, I am over the 310 multi break and so the +1/+1 skills amulet is better than the Marylenes. Did I get that right?
Does the 313 crit multi include your characters base 150 (a), or is that additional ON TOP of the base 150 (b)?
If a, Marylenes would be competitive and you should check in path of building. If (b) you’re much better off with the +2 gem amulet
Also depends if you’re JUST at 100% crit chance or are well overcapped without Marylenes.
@Surgeon_General Not sure. The 313 crit multi is what is shown on my ingame character sheet. I don't know if that includes the base or not.
That includes the base, you should check in PoB. Marylenes could be good, but it depends on a lot of factors
@@Surgeon_General thanks for the answers. Not very good in POB but it seems marylenes is slightly better. But, considering I spent 30d for the new amulet I am obligated to use it! Marylenes seems only slightly better so with the added life and chaos resist I gain on the rare amulet I guess the trade off is fine. The damage difference is not noticeable to me in game.
Unfortunate that the tincture ascendancy implies you need equipped helmet for the ele res
Just a question if my crit chance is already over 200 is it good for me to stack like 550+ crit multi ?? , i didnt get the crossover
If you play a build that gets ridiculous amounts of criti, it's easily best in slot over any amulet you can ever craft. Life stacking hexblast with the sandstorms visage helmet.
ACTUM but cant find a way o implement dance with death and Supreme Ostentation
You don't need any of these. Just for 1k+ crit multi (which is pretty easy to get with actum) and wait for that 1 crit hit to almost one shot anything.
I use focus to get lucky crit on belt
Normally I fallow some dudes on poe ninja, so my hexblast miner use it. I might run the numbers to see if it is good, still.
GOAT!
What about Second Sight keystone?
Great video 👍
what would be in ur opinion to be the best skill to use the Marylene's + Sandstorm Visage + Trypanon? also adding the unique gems to get 800+ crit multi in total
With that combination, you’d have a pretty easy time capping crit even with Marylenes; the uniques don’t have any other real synergies apart from crit so you can choose pretty much any hit based skill. Base your choice on other factors apart from crit, since that parts solved.
Marylene's + Sandstorms visage + trypanon
u can solve the crit problem with the new body armour come from maven that give you 60 more cri chance when insane
Good point, forgot about the sanity buffs; -max roll DG almost cancels out the downside (1x0.6x1.6=0.96)-
@@Surgeon_General its not work that way for more and less, (more -less) not more*less
You never mentioned Perfect agony
can we talk about doing a mathematically correct Gluttonous Tide Build
Do u can even Catalyst the Amu?
How about Doppelgänger Guise?
Good question, forgot about the sanity buffs; max roll DG almost cancels out the downside (1x0.6x1.6=0.96)
Try to catalyse amulet for Crit, it goes up to 298%.
Good point, but note that catalyst also scales the “less crit chance” mod!
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