I can confirm that Marcolmar is halfway through their kits. That’s from the owner a few months ago. It’s the other way around on the gen 2 as far as mags. Marcolmar opened up the mag well some (more likely to except L mags), made relief cuts on the bolt carrier to except a wider range of STANAG mags and they all now have the medium LV/S profile barrels (they once did offer a full length heavy barrel but discontinued that). Also they will be soon putting out another very limited batch (50+) of the LV/S. But this time with the proper Mueller SUSAT mount and another small change. But Marcolmar hasn’t officially announced that so I won’t spill the beans just yet. I will say I’m very proud of the fact I had a big influence on the other change and am extremely excited! Great video!
You are right, i should have said something more like Gen 2 accepts a wider selection of magazines. Gen 1 was limited in some ways; not just with Spanish steel. For me SA80 mags didn't go in easily for example.
I hope the CETME L line has gone well for MCM financially. As you said in the video, it's a very big undertaking to do a proper kit build setup. I'd love to see them tackle another obscure cold war semi-auto after they sell through their CETMEs.
William....You sure got a Nice One. Looks exceptionally good with the bipod and bayonet fixed. I've got a couple CETME L,s and several C,s along with the G3,s and a PTR 91. The variants are seemingly infinite.
I have used my CETME L to introduce several curious shooters to the magic of this awesome firearm. MarColMar do a great job of recreating these rifles. I had a 93a3 years ago; the MCM L compares very favorably.🤘
When I was looking for my own rifle, this was a main contender. I love the lines, it's better looking than a standard CETME and that's saying something. As far as 5.56 guns go, this would be my top pick.
Thanks Mishaco. The Cetme LC I purchased from you a year or so ago is going strong. I wish I could find a bipod for it. They are unobtainable at any price. Also the bayonet is one of the best out there.
Sorry, i just bought the 1 bipod for myself from Apex back when all the CETME-L stuff was in. It wasn't even a ton of money at the time...$50 maybe? Mostly just got it because it would fit both of my guns and came with a neat little belt pouch.
I wish i had one without the rail but I got mine for a steal so i wont complain. I ran it in the local cold war rifle competition and its always a crowd pleaser at range days.
I have an "L", super fun to take out once in a while. Always draws looks from others trying to figure out what that green AR thing is. In my research before buying, I read or heard (don't remember) gen 2, all have a heavier barrel, only noticeable under the handguard.
This is correct. All gen 2 Ls have the LV/S barrel profile. Only thicker under the handguard. They once did offer a full length heavy barrel but that one was discontinued due to lack of interest in it.
@@BrowncoatNerd Credit due where credit deserved. I remember now, after seeing your RUclips name, it was your channel. If anyone out there is interested in good, long content about the Cetme rifles, looks this guy up. Good stuff.
I love my MCM CETME-L, but it has had only 120 rounds of 62gr Lake City green tip through it and has never made it through a full magazine without every other round mis-feeding. My typical failure is the bullet gets pushed back in the casing while trying to feed. I'm hoping it's still in the break-in period and will start running 100% because it shoots sooooo nice when it does feed.
@@FG42 Thanks! I'll spend some more ammo and troubleshoot some more before calling them. I'm going to slather lube in the receiver and try some hotter ammo and different magazines.
Honestly i have noticed sales bounce back and forth on rail or no rail. For a couple months folks prefer one, and then things witch around, and the other moves better. I will say that when it comes to the LC carbine, yes then no rail is preferred overwelmingly.
Barrel length doesn't matter when it comes to parts kits, and the original military rifles couldn't be imported as they were all select-fire machineguns. Even if Spain converted to semi-auto only, the whole 'once a machinegun, always a machinegun' rule comes into play.
I purchased a model "LC" kit years ago....I should have just purchased a built gun. Now I don't know what direction to go as far as getting it built. I still need a receiver built and I need to buy all of the parts for the build, other than the kit.
@@misha5670 I actually haven't. I guess I assumed that they were only selling their short run builds rather than building on supplied kits. I will give them a shout. Thanks for the reply.
Honestly don't see how you could build one for less than what MCMs are going for right now? You have to get the receiver, barrel, rework FCG to sem-auto, few other US parts, weld things up, headspace, function check, and of coruse finish the metal in the absolutely required awesome Spanish green. Or just buy an MCM for $1,100 and get on with life & range time.
@@misha5670I've been sitting on a kit for a long time. I did recently finally get in their receiver jig so I got that folded up. Still need to get a barrel and weld it up, need to learn how to weld first lol. Their pricing on the standard L is really good. Way under what I would imagine they could be sold for. I've been thinking of also getting one of theirs just to have and shoot.
@@misha5670 I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them rise quite a bit. Once it's no longer available people really want them then. And the CETME L is a really cool and unique looking firearm in my opinion. Very aestheticly pleasing.
Generally no, tehre's one of the Bear Ammos it doesn't much like. I think its Silver Bear? But it likes Brown Bear just fine and in this video you see a full mag of Tulammo, go figure.
@@misha5670True, but guns like eastern bloc AKs, FALs have a functional purpose that make then viable. What does a CETME L do better than any other 556 rifle other than be a quirky niche rifle? I love collecting and have 10 AKs from nearly every combloc country so I get it. It’s the reason why I bought one. Then I realized it’s just going to sit and it’s not milsurp enough for me to hold onto it
@@AglahadHow is it not milsurp enough? You have 10 various AKs, but the CETME L is somehow not viable enough? What does one AK do that any other AK can't do? What does any AK do that an actual quality AR can't do?
@@Aglahad For me, it completes my '80s Cold War set. Would I've have preferred an import or at least a build with orig barrel?Sure but neitheer are at all possible. So i went with the best option. Plus at least the price is pretty reasonable compareed with other unique builds. Same logic for me behind my AR70/90.
@@misha5670 I think if you have all the toys already, it’s definition an interesting piece of later Cold War history. I didn’t mind shooting it I ended up trading it for another K98 with rare marking. I think for average collectors I’d recommend passing on it still unless your milsurp collection is pretty strong already.
I can confirm that Marcolmar is halfway through their kits. That’s from the owner a few months ago. It’s the other way around on the gen 2 as far as mags. Marcolmar opened up the mag well some (more likely to except L mags), made relief cuts on the bolt carrier to except a wider range of STANAG mags and they all now have the medium LV/S profile barrels (they once did offer a full length heavy barrel but discontinued that). Also they will be soon putting out another very limited batch (50+) of the LV/S. But this time with the proper Mueller SUSAT mount and another small change. But Marcolmar hasn’t officially announced that so I won’t spill the beans just yet. I will say I’m very proud of the fact I had a big influence on the other change and am extremely excited! Great video!
You are right, i should have said something more like Gen 2 accepts a wider selection of magazines. Gen 1 was limited in some ways; not just with Spanish steel. For me SA80 mags didn't go in easily for example.
Browncoat Nerd, your initial reviews were what helped me make the decision to buy one 👍
@@paulmears5330 thank you! That means a lot to me!
@@BrowncoatNerdlikewise so much information in one place about such a niche firearm
Love my MCM CETME L. Has been 100% reliable with around 800 rounds thru it so far.
I hope the CETME L line has gone well for MCM financially. As you said in the video, it's a very big undertaking to do a proper kit build setup. I'd love to see them tackle another obscure cold war semi-auto after they sell through their CETMEs.
Happily purchased this from Misha
Misha, you are a rare gem. Thank you for doing the as you said, overly independent and nerdy videos. We live you for it
thank you, I'm just me *shrug*
I love my Cetme L. I was on a spanish spree last year. Bought this, a Cetme C, FR8, M43, M1917, and a few Llama pistols.
William....You sure got a Nice One. Looks exceptionally good with the bipod and bayonet fixed. I've got a couple CETME L,s and several C,s along with the G3,s and a PTR 91. The variants are seemingly infinite.
Thank you for the information 🇺🇸
Always interesting and entertaining and educational. Have a great one thanks again.
I have used my CETME L to introduce several curious shooters to the magic of this awesome firearm. MarColMar do a great job of recreating these rifles. I had a 93a3 years ago; the MCM L compares very favorably.🤘
"overly in-depth, overly nerdy" Exactly how I like my gun videos. Lol
Hey what do ya' know? me too! lol
Nice rifle there!
So, concerning those 12round mags, if you change out the follower for a more modern Magpul, your reduce the magazine to 8 rounds, but gain hold open.
Neat guns man ! I’ve never really looked at them before but now I think I want one. The 12.5” LC is definitely the one I want.
Yep, i am happy I picked the LC as my MCM example. Even paying full price for it, I am still happy.
Knowledge. No substitute. 💯😎
You should see the outtakes, i definitely make a fool of myself all the time heeh
@misha5670 who doesn't. Maybe it could be a one time video
@@misha5670 Every April 1st you should put out a big ol' blooper reel video.
When I was looking for my own rifle, this was a main contender. I love the lines, it's better looking than a standard CETME and that's saying something.
As far as 5.56 guns go, this would be my top pick.
Thanks Mishaco. The Cetme LC I purchased from you a year or so ago is going strong. I wish I could find a bipod for it. They are unobtainable at any price. Also the bayonet is one of the best out there.
Sorry, i just bought the 1 bipod for myself from Apex back when all the CETME-L stuff was in. It wasn't even a ton of money at the time...$50 maybe? Mostly just got it because it would fit both of my guns and came with a neat little belt pouch.
Evening Misha 😊😀😎
I wish i had one without the rail but I got mine for a steal so i wont complain. I ran it in the local cold war rifle competition and its always a crowd pleaser at range days.
Find a scope that looks like the 4x Enosa or SUSAT, and that would be pretty swee ton that rail.
@@misha5670 I've been thinking about that too. The only one that comes to mind is ELCAN but that's it.
Give the MCM bag more credit than "decent", the bags are exceptional as is the MCM rifle!
I have an "L", super fun to take out once in a while. Always draws looks from others trying to figure out what that green AR thing is. In my research before buying, I read or heard (don't remember) gen 2, all have a heavier barrel, only noticeable under the handguard.
This is correct. All gen 2 Ls have the LV/S barrel profile. Only thicker under the handguard. They once did offer a full length heavy barrel but that one was discontinued due to lack of interest in it.
@@BrowncoatNerd Credit due where credit deserved. I remember now, after seeing your RUclips name, it was your channel. If anyone out there is interested in good, long content about the Cetme rifles, looks this guy up. Good stuff.
@@Xoarkitty thank you so much!
I love my MCM CETME-L, but it has had only 120 rounds of 62gr Lake City green tip through it and has never made it through a full magazine without every other round mis-feeding. My typical failure is the bullet gets pushed back in the casing while trying to feed. I'm hoping it's still in the break-in period and will start running 100% because it shoots sooooo nice when it does feed.
I'd suggest trying a couple different types of ammo. Fluted chambers are actually pretty happy with steel cased believe it or not.
MCM is very accommodating from what I've seen, so if you're still having issue after trying different mags and ammo I'd gave them a call.
Mine was so bad I emailed them with very specific details. They took it back and fixed it right away.
They will fix it.
@@FG42 Thanks! I'll spend some more ammo and troubleshoot some more before calling them. I'm going to slather lube in the receiver and try some hotter ammo and different magazines.
I have a question about an old shot gun the Remington 1893 No. 3 does it handle modern ammo or is it black order cartridges?
Model 1897 was the first true, modern shotgun and even those aren't able to take 3" magnums. In fact back in the day 2.5" shells were the norm.
Getem now or never doubt we will see comprable offerings of this niche rifle at least in this quality for the tears to come.
I regret not picking up an LC
Interestingly 20 round mags do not work in my rifle (used for sighting in on a lead sled) but the 30 round G.I.s have not missed a beat. Go figure!
Trying to think of i've used 20 USGI in mine? Probably have at some time in the past? But I know I've used the 12 rd Spanish mags several times.
Try a different brand of 20 round mag. I’ve got some Korean made ones that don’t run in my gen 1 but run fine in my gen 2s.
I really wanted to get the LC...
I do not know if another run of them coming out, but you never know? Wouldn't surprise me if MCM had just a couple LC kits left still.
If you get lucky and find an LC parts kit you can send it to them. They will build it for you. That’s what Ian from Forgotten Weapons ended up doing.
I want one
Did I get that right? Steel mags are heavier and more expensive? I would've thought alumin(i)um is more expensive....
Generally yes, steel is a bit more expensive to amek mags from and work with these days. Remember economy of scale too.
@@misha5670 Ok.Tthe production of alumin(i)um itself is more cost intensive though
I think I would like the one without the rail .
Honestly i have noticed sales bounce back and forth on rail or no rail. For a couple months folks prefer one, and then things witch around, and the other moves better. I will say that when it comes to the LC carbine, yes then no rail is preferred overwelmingly.
Too bad they weren't imported with the original barrel and muzzle device pinned.
Barrel length doesn't matter when it comes to parts kits, and the original military rifles couldn't be imported as they were all select-fire machineguns. Even if Spain converted to semi-auto only, the whole 'once a machinegun, always a machinegun' rule comes into play.
I purchased a model "LC" kit years ago....I should have just purchased a built gun. Now I don't know what direction to go as far as getting it built. I still need a receiver built and I need to buy all of the parts for the build, other than the kit.
Have you attempted contacting MCM?
@@misha5670 I actually haven't. I guess I assumed that they were only selling their short run builds rather than building on supplied kits. I will give them a shout. Thanks for the reply.
@@justinkase1360 I dunno but couldn't hurt to ask.
@@justinkase1360 On MCM's website they have a "Build Customer CETME Kit" option for $1000
MCM offers a build service on their website. It's about $1k, which is 100% worth it if you're sitting on an LC or other rare parts kit.
We bought a kit some years ago, but we keep putting it off as a project and wonder if we should just get a MCM.
Honestly don't see how you could build one for less than what MCMs are going for right now? You have to get the receiver, barrel, rework FCG to sem-auto, few other US parts, weld things up, headspace, function check, and of coruse finish the metal in the absolutely required awesome Spanish green. Or just buy an MCM for $1,100 and get on with life & range time.
@@misha5670 that’s been the debate.
@@misha5670I've been sitting on a kit for a long time. I did recently finally get in their receiver jig so I got that folded up. Still need to get a barrel and weld it up, need to learn how to weld first lol.
Their pricing on the standard L is really good. Way under what I would imagine they could be sold for. I've been thinking of also getting one of theirs just to have and shoot.
@@bitfreakazoid Once kits dry up, prices will rise. I don't know by how much? Could just be by $100 or $1,000, who knows the future?
@@misha5670 I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them rise quite a bit. Once it's no longer available people really want them then. And the CETME L is a really cool and unique looking firearm in my opinion. Very aestheticly pleasing.
Is it picky with ammo?
Generally no, tehre's one of the Bear Ammos it doesn't much like. I think its Silver Bear? But it likes Brown Bear just fine and in this video you see a full mag of Tulammo, go figure.
After break in, no.
Is it milspec reliable?
Probably more reliable compared with the original select-fire.
These are much better built than the original Santa Barbara ones.
Had one and sold it. It’s niche, that’s it. It bested by modern rifles. If you got money to burn it isn’t bad I guess
Couldn't you say the same about any '80s or before rifle?
@@misha5670True, but guns like eastern bloc AKs, FALs have a functional purpose that make then viable. What does a CETME L do better than any other 556 rifle other than be a quirky niche rifle?
I love collecting and have 10 AKs from nearly every combloc country so I get it. It’s the reason why I bought one. Then I realized it’s just going to sit and it’s not milsurp enough for me to hold onto it
@@AglahadHow is it not milsurp enough? You have 10 various AKs, but the CETME L is somehow not viable enough? What does one AK do that any other AK can't do? What does any AK do that an actual quality AR can't do?
@@Aglahad For me, it completes my '80s Cold War set. Would I've have preferred an import or at least a build with orig barrel?Sure but neitheer are at all possible. So i went with the best option. Plus at least the price is pretty reasonable compareed with other unique builds. Same logic for me behind my AR70/90.
@@misha5670 I think if you have all the toys already, it’s definition an interesting piece of later Cold War history. I didn’t mind shooting it I ended up trading it for another K98 with rare marking. I think for average collectors I’d recommend passing on it still unless your milsurp collection is pretty strong already.