Wow, just read the comments and all i got to say is thank you very much Mr Lorenz and all the others, for spending the time and effort in making these very informative and insightful videos posted on RUclips. All i know is that technique is ever changing and with the new technology, changing ever faster, as the advances demand new ways of thinking. I think the originators of these videos and others of like quality take it as a given that the viewer has some idea of what is being presented and doesn't need the minuate explained in laborious, self winded detail. These videos are not for the beginner. To be rude, insulting and denigrating of the content being presented is childish. Again, thanks for spending the time, it is greatly appreciated. I for one, gain immensely by them.
Can't recommend Projected Productions videos enough! It would be great "just" with content showing Paul, but you also see a great variety of riders like Reilly or Richard Berger & more!
I subscribed and watched the full version of Legacy 1 and 2. It definitely worth it! The other videos are also great. I really enjoyed to watch them all.
Paul, thank you for all the work you do in skiing. Love the videos and your detailed and educational explanations, they have given me many things to explore.
Paul, You are my go to person. Being a level 4 CSIA I have recommenced your videos over and over. Personally, I stated you were one of the best technicians and skiers. Keep it up[!
@@JB91710 the full video answers those questions so head to projectedproductions.com/allaccessvideopass and check out Legacy pt1 to learn all about it.
As great as you were at short turns you're even greater now. I love the changes you have made. You're more fluid and silky smooth than ever! Also, thanks for the explanations, I will use them.
Great to see the 3 objectives as I’ve been mucking with the same things. The kicker for me was #2, deflection. It’s my sweet spot. I’m not a great skier but good enough to have some fun with modified slalom type short turns for big deflection. I’ve been trying for max deflection with air to get cross under and edge angle change in the air. I’m not trying for any technical perfection versus having fun and enjoying the feel. I’m not good enough to pull this off anywhere and found speed and terrain choice critical to get the rhythm going for a series of these turns. Great video.
Paul, I love what you and the PP crew have been producing. I'm a PSIA level 3 instructor in Northern California and former examiner. I find your PP content a great next step in my skiing and a welcome compliment to what PSIA has to offer. Personally, I've found your detailed analysis of the feeling sensations you strive for brilliant and hugely helpful in my skiing. I wish PSIA emphasized this a bit more.
Great video! I like that you're always adapting your approach as you progress. I've been playing with flexion/extension and early edge in my short turns. I've been experimenting with where it works and where it doesn't in regards to speed management on different terrain and different pitches. This definitely sheds some light on it. Looking forward to the next one. 🤙
@@JB91710 as the video describes, these are jus objectives and the video does not describe how to do anything. Visit projectingproductions.com/allaccessvideopass and watch Legacy pt1 to learn how to make these movements in clear and simple terms.
@@paullorenz6389 your style of short turns screams " i come from moguls" to me. more than trying to replicate slalom turns like many do which i find less aesthetic and versatile... Amarite?
Hey Paul, It would be great to see this performed on a longer turning ski (17m), id like to see how you adapt the technique to maintain the same turn shape. Its nice to see these videos and the various approaches that are out there.
Paul, great video. Particularly liked the part re edge change without change in ski direction. Played around with the concept today on the hill, good stuff. Will be subscribing to your other vids.
As an ex-mogul skier and coach I'd say your turns are fantastic and something to emulate. However in my experience your upper body being a bit hunched over means on more varied terrain the only way for you to absorb bumps or extend over drops while maintaining the same center of gravity is to hinge your chest up or down which is hard to do consistently or quickly and limits your range. So my instinct would be to try and get my upper body more upright (increasing pressure at knees and bringing the hips forward to compensate) into a position that is in the right place no matter how much I'm extending or absorbing. Curious your take on this and, again, you have exceptional turns and thanks for the great video!
That's some great skiing. I'd like to see some short turns on something steep. I'm wondering if being so bent at the waist ties up your mid-section and limits separation and leg turning range of motion.
Pushing off at the end of the turn to achieve deflection is an old-fashioned edge set. I like your race turns better, when the deflection is initiated by an early release of pressure, not by a late push. Release and ride a soft edge is one option, release and flip to the new edge is another. For extra fast action, you can actively 'pull' the skis back underneath in a slashing manner rather than just releasing and passively flowing through the turn. The objective is to move the release point and pull action closer to the fall line, maximizing lateral deflection and minimizing ski pressure through the belly of the turn.
The question is begged and begged endlessly by non-performance skiers. They see a picture of spray off the inside ski and estimate its value to be 30-50% compared to the outside ski. For skiing with carving in a dynamic way the rule is ski outside foot to outside foot. That does not change. There are pictures of profession freeskiers (all mountain skiers) and WC skiers in gates with seemingly similar snow spray off their inside and outside skis. In reality they have massive force on the outside ski and minimal on the inside ski (~90% to ~5%) That minimal is still enough to warrent a big spray. Note their inside leg knee cap is often close to a skiers chin in very dynamic turns. There is no way the bones and muscles in that position could put high pressure on a ski like 40-50% in a very dynamic turn. The only time you ski with pressure on both skis that is around 30-70% on one side and the rest on the other is when the skier is skiing slowly. If you have a pole with the rise line and fall line and consider the apex at 90 degrees to the rise and fall lines at the pole then max pressure on the outside foot and 100%. Many WC skiers lift the inside ski to insure max outside ski pressure. It's about the only way to get 100%. Just toughing the inside to the snow insures 100% will not happen on the outside ski. How much actually goes on the inside ski? Who cares other than as little as possible. Whatever you can get on the outside is best. The issue is that is not always possible given a lot of factors. Just say we will imagine a slalom pole is being turned around. The factors will be line of transition into the start of the turn at the rise line above the pole, speed, does the apex rise or fall away from the pole so terrain an issue, surface conditions as in is max edge angle necessary, what is the line to the next gate, the angle to the next gate i.e need for a very tight turn or relaxed turn to the next turn & etc. Many factors will determine how weight gets distributed to the outside and inside skis. On some turns the inside could be 30% if required or could be close to zero, 5% or !5%. Not telling as that will vary for each turn in the course. If you are making a series of fast turns on a mild black, steep blue or mild black groomed slope the you can pick you next turn. For this type of skiing you can ski very close to having most of the distribution go to the outside ski if not 100%. Most likely 5%-10%. The reality for me is I don't care. If I'm well balanced the inside leg will end up with the amount of weight for the turn. It will work out on it's own. The touch of the inside ski to the snow gives your body great feedback and very important. A turn is too dynamic to think through as it is happening. Your body will be in react mode so impossible to say you will do 30% on this one & etc. For skiing slow it's a different ball game with way more on the inside ski. I should add the assumption here is the skiing is all carving and on the fast side, dynamic carving.
The look is misleading. The inside ski spray on dynamic turns at speed is not indicative of pressure compared to the spray of the outside ski. It's the wrong approach to evaluating where pressure goes. The better approach is understanding what is required for high performance dynamic turns Lorenz and Reilly do. Understanding what pressures have to be where and what body positions allow that to happen. Closely distributed pressures between the inside and outside skis does not happen in WC or performance skiing. Physics will not allow any exceptions. The only time performance skiers ski on the inside ski is when they ski slow, make a mistake or terrain forces them to on the inside ski to compensate (usually momentarily).
Not making a case about anything here and also not necessarily to you versus possible readers that will trip across these posts. I deleted the @ to you on my other posts and do the same this time. So this is just a clarity post. You are right in the sense of there are lots of ways to ski and some of them more two footed. It’s hard to clarify something in skiing. If a skier is skiing with the outside foot way out and the inside at least at the edge of the body on the outside ski side then the pressure on the inside ski will be 0 or very little especially with slalom style turns. Its usefulness will be feedback versus a component of balance. For very dynamic skiing with a more squared away shoulders and hips to the direction of the skis something like very dynamic GS turns the inside will get slightly more than in slalom but minor and conditions dependent. I should add that all I have said is only related to the turn parts of skiing versus the transition part. For you the resolve will not come from me or Lorenz. The only resolve for you will be making a few runs doing various style turns at various speeds with all pressure going to the outside foot. Lift the inside ski throughout several turns and feel the difference. Then ski the same styles with inside foot pressure. It you are skiing with good form and balanced you should not be able to get the performance with inside ski weight versus outside ski weighting unless your skiing railroad tracks or going slow.
@@inquistive My skiing is completely different currently than in the videos. You can discount my comments as you wish. You will find them to be correct as your understanding of skiing grows. If you skied well you should know what Lorenz weight distribution is. I don’t have to ask as I ski well enough to qualify the issue on the snow. There are many levels of instructors. You are obviously not high up the scale or you would not be asking about Lorenz’s weight distribution. Given the date of your ask you lack that knowledge currently. As your skiing improves you will come to understand that the inside weight question is meaningless. It will find its own level and that will be very small. The inside ski in dynamic carved skiing only comes into play from mistakes in form or terrain and you are forced to ski on the inside ski. You can practice for that by skiing turns with the inside ski only, outside ski lifted or skiing with one ski doing left and right turns.
How come you don't ski with your feet wide apart like all the pro's today? you ski with your feet closed old school. You must have a reason beyond just being a preference.
3:09 "Changing edge of ski without changing the direction of the ski" spoke to me. Nice, thank you 🙂
@@TimothyCorbettClark thanks Tim. Glad it was useful.
Wow, just read the comments and all i got to say is thank you very much Mr Lorenz and all the others, for spending the time and effort in making these very informative and insightful videos posted on RUclips. All i know is that technique is ever changing and with the new technology, changing ever faster, as the advances demand new ways of thinking. I think the originators of these videos and others of like quality take it as a given that the viewer has some idea of what is being presented and doesn't need the minuate explained in laborious, self winded detail. These videos are not for the beginner. To be rude, insulting and denigrating of the content being presented is childish. Again, thanks for spending the time, it is greatly appreciated. I for one, gain immensely by them.
Thank you 🙏
Can't recommend Projected Productions videos enough! It would be great "just" with content showing Paul, but you also see a great variety of riders like Reilly or Richard Berger & more!
Watched it on the projected production already, but I can watch this a million times.
I subscribed and watched the full version of Legacy 1 and 2. It definitely worth it! The other videos are also great. I really enjoyed to watch them all.
Paul, thank you for all the work you do in skiing. Love the videos and your detailed and educational explanations, they have given me many things to explore.
Thank you 🙏 I’m glad they’ve been useful
Paul, You are my go to person. Being a level 4 CSIA I have recommenced your videos over and over. Personally, I stated you were one of the best technicians and skiers. Keep it up[!
Thanks Zetti. Thanks for you kind comment
Love it! The idea of having a point where you're pure carving so the feet shoot across under the body makes sense.
Thanks Jason! Hope you’re going well
@@JB91710 You're the lone thumbs down on this video, right?
@@JB91710 the full video answers those questions so head to projectedproductions.com/allaccessvideopass and check out Legacy pt1 to learn all about it.
@@paullorenz6389 don’t feed the troll, Paul. This guy is nuts.
@@dj_617 thanks, I try not to engage but unfortunately I have to delete some of it because it is quite rude. Anyway thanks for the comment.
As great as you were at short turns you're even greater now. I love the changes you have made. You're more fluid and silky smooth than ever! Also, thanks for the explanations, I will use them.
Thanks James 🙏
2022 Thank you once again Paul! 🤘⛷️
Great to see the 3 objectives as I’ve been mucking with the same things.
The kicker for me was #2, deflection. It’s my sweet spot.
I’m not a great skier but good enough to have some fun with modified
slalom type short turns for big deflection. I’ve been trying for max
deflection with air to get cross under and edge angle change in the air.
I’m not trying for any technical perfection versus having fun and enjoying
the feel. I’m not good enough to pull this off anywhere and found
speed and terrain choice critical to get the rhythm going for a series
of these turns. Great video.
I like it! Thanks Paul!
Great content once more. Inspiration skiing.
Paul, I love what you and the PP crew have been producing. I'm a PSIA level 3 instructor in Northern California and former examiner. I find your PP content a great next step in my skiing and a welcome compliment to what PSIA has to offer. Personally, I've found your detailed analysis of the feeling sensations you strive for brilliant and hugely helpful in my skiing. I wish PSIA emphasized this a bit more.
Thanks Carl, I’m happy you’re finding the videos useful :)
Wonderful explanation and video clip.......... thank you so ~~~~~ much from Korea CSIA Level2 CASI level2 guy thanks.고맙습니다.
Thank you
Awesome. I cannot wait.
Great video! I like that you're always adapting your approach as you progress. I've been playing with flexion/extension and early edge in my short turns. I've been experimenting with where it works and where it doesn't in regards to speed management on different terrain and different pitches. This definitely sheds some light on it. Looking forward to the next one. 🤙
Thanks Davin. Hope you get some good skiing this season.
@@JB91710 as the video describes, these are jus objectives and the video does not describe how to do anything. Visit projectingproductions.com/allaccessvideopass and watch Legacy pt1 to learn how to make these movements in clear and simple terms.
Your technique is very impressive. Buetifull skiing.
Thank you 🙏
@@paullorenz6389 your style of short turns screams " i come from moguls" to me. more than trying to replicate slalom turns like many do which i find less aesthetic and versatile...
Amarite?
Nice buddy 💪
Thanks mate
Hey Paul, It would be great to see this performed on a longer turning ski (17m), id like to see how you adapt the technique to maintain the same turn shape. Its nice to see these videos and the various approaches that are out there.
so useful, I am going to subscribe to the projectedProduction series to see more of this
That’s great! Glad you enjoyed it. We have a new video coming out shortly on the projected subscription.
Hey don’t make too much sacrifice, it’s free! Great stuff.
Paul, great video. Particularly liked the part re edge change without change in ski direction. Played around with the concept today on the hill, good stuff. Will be subscribing to your other vids.
Thanks for your comment and I’m glad the video was useful. All the best for the season ahead
As an ex-mogul skier and coach I'd say your turns are fantastic and something to emulate. However in my experience your upper body being a bit hunched over means on more varied terrain the only way for you to absorb bumps or extend over drops while maintaining the same center of gravity is to hinge your chest up or down which is hard to do consistently or quickly and limits your range. So my instinct would be to try and get my upper body more upright (increasing pressure at knees and bringing the hips forward to compensate) into a position that is in the right place no matter how much I'm extending or absorbing. Curious your take on this and, again, you have exceptional turns and thanks for the great video!
Interesting. I'll consider from moguls coaches but I think you're correct. Every specialty is specific
what do you think of Bernd Grebers deflection turns?
Hi Tirzah, I love Bernd Greber's skiing. I'm not sure which turns you are referring to specifically though?
That's some great skiing. I'd like to see some short turns on something steep. I'm wondering if being so bent at the waist ties up your mid-section and limits separation and leg turning range of motion.
thx for the video and the tips. Afaik competitors dont ski like that, even in their free skiing :)
Paul is Where ski ends! Who's better?
God I love short turns!
Pushing off at the end of the turn to achieve deflection is an old-fashioned edge set. I like your race turns better, when the deflection is initiated by an early release of pressure, not by a late push. Release and ride a soft edge is one option, release and flip to the new edge is another. For extra fast action, you can actively 'pull' the skis back underneath in a slashing manner rather than just releasing and passively flowing through the turn. The objective is to move the release point and pull action closer to the fall line, maximizing lateral deflection and minimizing ski pressure through the belly of the turn.
Excellent... release and flip to new edges and pullback
I just love....
Kinka Reis in Brasil🦄🏆🦄🏆🦄🏆
might i ask what camera, lens, codec? this is really good footage (and turns but i can prob learn filming easier than the turns)
By "deflection" are you talking about skidding?
That one dislike is still in 🍕 pizza mode
Coffee & turns ☕
The "controlled skid" is the most important skill for high performance skiing.
Super 👍
#PaulLorenz , at the apex of the turn, how much of your weight/pressure is on the inside ski, if any?
The question is begged and begged endlessly by non-performance skiers. They see a picture of spray off the inside ski and estimate its value to be 30-50% compared to the outside ski. For skiing with carving in a dynamic way the rule is ski outside foot to outside foot. That does not change. There are pictures of profession freeskiers (all mountain skiers) and WC skiers in gates with seemingly similar snow spray off their inside and outside skis. In reality they have massive force on the outside ski and minimal on the inside ski (~90% to ~5%) That minimal is still enough to warrent a big spray. Note their inside leg knee cap is often close to a skiers chin in very dynamic turns. There is no way the bones and muscles in that position could put high pressure on a ski like 40-50% in a very dynamic turn. The only time you ski with pressure on both skis that is around 30-70% on one side and the rest on the other is when the skier is skiing slowly.
If you have a pole with the rise line and fall line and consider the apex at 90 degrees to the rise and fall lines at the pole then
max pressure on the outside foot and 100%. Many WC skiers lift the inside ski to insure max outside ski pressure. It's about the only way to get 100%. Just toughing the inside to the snow insures 100% will not happen on the outside ski. How much actually goes on the inside ski? Who cares other than as little as possible. Whatever you can get on the outside is best. The issue is that is not always possible given a lot of factors. Just say we will imagine a slalom pole is being turned around. The factors will be line of transition into the start of the turn at the rise line above the pole, speed, does the apex rise or fall away from the pole so terrain an issue, surface conditions as in is max edge angle necessary, what is the line to the next gate, the angle to the next gate i.e need for a very tight turn or relaxed turn to the next turn & etc. Many factors will determine how weight gets distributed to the outside and inside skis. On some turns the inside could be 30% if required or could be close to zero, 5% or !5%. Not telling as that will vary for each turn in the course. If you are making a series of fast turns on a mild black, steep blue or mild black groomed slope the you can pick you next turn. For this type of skiing you can ski very close to having most of the distribution go to the outside ski if not 100%. Most likely 5%-10%. The reality for me is I don't care. If I'm well balanced the inside leg will end up with the amount of weight for the turn. It will work out on it's own. The touch of the inside ski to the snow gives your body great feedback and very important. A turn is too dynamic to think through as it is happening. Your body will be in react mode so impossible to say you will do 30% on this one & etc. For skiing slow it's a different ball game with way more on the inside ski. I should add the assumption here is the skiing is all carving and on the fast side, dynamic carving.
The look is misleading. The inside ski spray on dynamic turns at speed is not indicative of pressure compared to the spray of the outside ski. It's the wrong approach to evaluating where pressure goes. The better approach is understanding what is required for high performance dynamic turns Lorenz and Reilly do. Understanding what pressures have to be where and what body positions allow that to happen. Closely distributed pressures between the inside and outside skis does not happen in WC or performance skiing. Physics will not allow any exceptions. The only time performance skiers ski on the inside ski is when they ski slow, make a mistake or terrain forces them to on the inside ski to compensate (usually momentarily).
Not making a case about anything here and also not necessarily to you versus possible readers that will trip across these posts. I deleted the @ to you on my other posts and do the same this time.
So this is just a clarity post. You are right in the sense of there are lots of ways to ski and some of them more two footed. It’s hard to clarify something in skiing. If a skier is skiing with the outside foot way out and the inside at least at the edge of the body on the outside ski side
then the pressure on the inside ski will be 0 or very little especially with slalom style turns. Its usefulness will be feedback versus a component of balance. For very dynamic skiing with
a more squared away shoulders and hips to the direction of the skis something like very dynamic GS turns the inside will get slightly more than in slalom but minor and conditions dependent. I should add that all I have said is only related to the turn parts of skiing versus
the transition part.
For you the resolve will not come from me or Lorenz. The only resolve for you will be making a few runs doing various style turns at various speeds with all pressure going to the outside foot. Lift the inside ski throughout several turns and feel the difference. Then ski the same styles with inside foot pressure. It you are skiing with good form and balanced you should not be able to get the performance with inside ski weight versus outside ski weighting unless your skiing railroad tracks or going slow.
@@inquistive That's me in March 18, 2018, 225 days of skiing in since then.
@@inquistive My skiing is completely different currently than in the videos.
You can discount my comments as you wish. You will find them
to be correct as your understanding of skiing grows. If you skied well you should know what Lorenz weight distribution is. I don’t have to ask as I ski well enough to qualify the issue on the snow.
There are many levels of instructors. You are obviously not
high up the scale or you would not be asking about Lorenz’s weight distribution. Given the date of your ask you lack that knowledge currently.
As your skiing improves you will come to understand that
the inside weight question is meaningless. It will find its own
level and that will be very small. The inside ski in dynamic carved skiing only comes into play from mistakes in form or terrain and you are forced to ski on the inside ski. You can practice for that by skiing turns with the inside ski only, outside ski lifted or skiing with one ski doing left and right turns.
I wanna some instructions
It looks like a medium radius turn at high frequency.
Speed requires power and force.
Power & force create speed.
Speed doesn't necessarily equal good skiing or turns. Going straight and in the back seat can equal speed but poor skiing.
@@jamesdunn9714 Good skiing allows you to ski in higher speeds with control, this requires power to resist the increased forces.
how can i make a living through skiing?
Get a job at a ski resort and work in both hemispheres.
@@mieshavonedellestein1304 how much are you paying me
@@mieshavonedellestein1304 yeah sounds good but how exactly am i supposed to like pay my rents, bills and my food lol
Now try to keep your skis in contact wit the snow all the time.
I wish my body moved the way I thought on the slope😅
Sir I'm from kashmir
How come you don't ski with your feet wide apart like all the pro's today? you ski with your feet closed old school. You must have a reason beyond just being a preference.
Watch Paul's carving videos, his feet are apart much like any World Cup racer.
And remember to move the body away from the skis,.not the skis away from the body.