Which would add more context to critically acclaimed episode 8, when Kylo Ren told Rey she came from nothing and by proxy was nothing. Anakin came from a onesie, he is the one. _IT'S LIKE POETRY_
As was said by Obi-Wan in the Revenge of the Sith novel; "The prophecy says a Chosen One will bring balance to the Force; NOWHERE does it say he MUST be a Jedi."
on one side there is the Jedi with hundreds if not thousands of members who have massive power in the government on the other we have two or three Sith hiding in the shadows so the balance is heavily in favor of the Jedi.
@@rjshadow4321 Balance to the force, not balance between light and dark side. I know it can be confusing, especially with Disney leaning into the more Ying/Yang interpretation but Lucas was very clear on this. Dark side is the imbalance. Bringing balance to the force means getting rid of the sith. Dark side is like cancer. Healing the body does not mean make the body equal parts cancer and healthy cells, it means removing cancer.
You know, while in retrospect the no father thing was clearly to make Anakin more comparable to Jesus, when I first heard it my internal response was "who was Shmi so ashamed of having slept with that she tried to convince a Jedi of all people that Anakin was an immaculate conception?"
Maybe what happened to Shmi that caused her to have a son was a traumatic experience. She blocked out the event of the conception and invented a different story in order to maintain her own sanity.
I mean, the Jedi Prophecy isn't exactly something Shmi would know about, and the midichlorian count being so unprecedentedly high in Anakin connects to the prophecy. It's a pretty big coincidence that the child she 'lies' about ends up having a scientific and physically observable/measurable connection to the very prophecy she couldn't have known anything about.
I personally enjoy what the Plagueis novel set up as the answer to the question, having Anakin be the reaction to the Dark Sides growing power and attempts to directly control the force and reality. But to each their own on this, worse things could have been said regarding this but it was a reasonable interpretation solely using the films. Cant wait for the next video!
There's a line in the Episode 3 novel that adds an entirely darker possibility: when revealing himself as a Sith to Anakin and entreating Anakin to join him, Palpatine has one single response when Anakin responds that he's, supposed to be the Jedi Chosen one: "you ARE the chosen one, my boy. Chosen by ME." Now there was a very sinister thriller movie that came out in 78 called The Boys from Brazil. And in that movie, we find a secret plot hatched by "rhymes-with-yahtzee" scientists to artificially inseminate 94 homeless women with genetically engineered clones of Adolph himself. Now how would this work for a Sith Lord? What if Plaguis had developed the perfect force user zygote? Saturated with midichlorians? What if he had agents on multiple worlds assigned to find potential mothers with no social standing, like, say, slaves? And what if he had the children observed and their circumstances manipulated to produce the optimum candidate for seduction to the Dark Side? I submit that Anakin was genetically engineered by Plaguis and Sidious and implanted in Shmi, along with untold others.
That works well, I particularly like the idea of it being a larger project instead of a single miraculous individual. It all lines up with established behaviour: meddling with Force-sensitive clones tends to go badly, hence the need for multiple attempts to get even one viable candidate. A slave's life is perfect for creating a future apprentice of the dark side, and this is a very subtle approach. The perfect way to handle things when the Sith are still in hiding. -DZ
_Well within a banker from Muunilist's means._ And a good missed reveal for Palpatine by killing Plagueis-- he did have more up his sleeve, and he was going to show how extensively their sith alchemical interventions required finessing with brute force and material scale of experimentation. In the EU Palps does succeed in making suitable force sensitive clones for essence transfer, but they decay far to quickly. Had he been less impatient and prideful, that could have changed. *Surrogate Mothers* as a requirement for midichlorian transfer to viable clones that wouldn't otherwise be force sensitive might even have justified Rey Mysterio in Rat Wars.
There’s also an interpretation I’ve heard that Plagueis tried to manipulate the midichlorians to create something evil, and instead the Force itself retaliated and created Anakin to counter Plagueis’s meddling. There’s really no basis for this in canon that I’ve heard but it’s a cool interpretation nonetheless. It kind of makes Anakin’s creation be both by the will of the Force and more indirectly by the actions of Plagueis so that both are true depending on your point of view
That's not an interpretation, that's something directly implied by an old EU novel where he and palps try to influence the force. I think it's also indirectly implied in the new canon, but not confirmed
The only thing I know about Darth Plagueis was according to quote unquote Chancellor Palpatine whose real Sith name is really Darth Sidious once described that he had such a knowledge of the dark side he would even keep the ones he cares about from dying but he also said the dark side is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be unnatural. But he also taught his Apprentice everything I know Darth Sidious was his Apprentice and he also killed him in his sleep. The truth is Sidious was too powermadd because he viewed it as he can save others from death but not himself that's the nonsensical ravings of a narcissist because when it came to the emperor he didn't care how many apprentices he lost he just wanted to make sure he ruled the Galaxy forever. He didn't care about Anakin Skywalker when he was afraid that he would lose Padme he just wanted to make sure he lost everything to ensure that his Apprentice doesn't feel anything it almost feels like taking away everything from him and leaving him without hope but even such a powerful Sith as Sidious was he was mostly a full because he was defeated by his Apprentice who saved his son Luke Skywalker and then eventually he was defeated by his granddaughter which means the Galactic Empire and the First and "Final" Order we're destroyed. In layman's terms to all this his narcissistic Empire never came to be almost like Adolf Hitler in World War II has 1,000 year Reich never existed we rebelled against him his own soldiers turn against him at least the ones with a conscience like the guys in the July 20th plot we all rebelled against him to ensure that he'll never see his new world order come to Full Blossom
Per _Cosmic Force_ it's will doesn't take cues from one or the other; its response to Plagueis is as necessary as laws of nature, just as the Jedi's moral failures bring about their downfall. It could have gone many different ways, all compatible with Anakin being the balancer.
They spent 1000 years in hiding and building their power. Then they got a little to comfortable with their plot to take advantage of a corrupt senate and tried to gain immortality only to create their destroyer. The Sith are never satisfied with their power, and Anakin was the Force’s answer for their arrogance.
Personally and for the longest time, I've always accepted Anakin's origins to be almost biblical in some way. I figured that, somehow through some miracle, Anakin was conceived without a father through the will of the Force. It was decided through will alone that the chosen one would be born as Anakin at that time and place. After all, the Skywalker story takes in a lot of cues from Earthian myth, legend, and religious stories. With that in mind, you folks brought up some really neat points about Anakin's father. Palpatine using the force to manipulate Anakin's birth is also a strong case as well.
But Darth Vader is a bad guy and Anakin murders children and other Jedi and sleeps with amidalla. So he's no messiah. To have him be virgin born is a insult to the Bible.
Even Palpatine manipulating it is mythically sound. He thought he had mastery over the divine and could make it serve him, but his ultimate project in Sith magics was his undoing when Anakin turned back and threw him down a hole. What Palpatine sought for Evil, the Force used for Good.
@@WizzdummHeadley because that would weaken the dark side/Sith, the point is that it can't stagnate, that the apprentice has to eventually succeed over their master
@@mystify7478 Weaken the darkside!? It would strengthen it also the great/wise/powerful Plagueis should have taken Palps out not the other way around!?
When I first saw the "no father" scene in the theater, I had the first impression that Qui-Gon was testing whether Shmi remembered him from their one-night stand and whether she had made the connection between Qui-Gon and Anikin. This is, of course ridiculous, as Liam Neeson is 6'4" and Darth was 6'5" in metal "heels". I think it's clear that Sidious learned the midichlorian thing from Plagueis and then created his own intended follower, Ani.
My initial assumption was that she was saying there was never a father *present* in Anakin’s life. When she says “I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him,” it sounds like a straightforward explanation that, because the man who impregnated her was not there at any point during pregnancy, delivery, or upbringing, she doesn’t consider him the boy’s father in any meaningful sense. And “I can’t explain what happened” sounds like she either doesn’t know who the man was, or that she doesn’t understand why he left. If she had actually become pregnant without intercourse, I would expect a very different explanation, something like “I know it seems impossible; I wouldn’t believe it if it hadn’t happened to me, but there really wasn’t anyone else.” I also would have expected Qui-Gon to be much more skeptical, and to have a much stronger reaction to the midi-chlorian reading, realizing it could explain the otherwise unbelievable thing Shmi had told him. As it stands, it just looks like Shmi is being tactful about saying she isn’t willing or able to talk about the absent sperm donor, and QuiGon is respectful enough not to push. I also got the impression, when he told the council he thought Anakin was the chosen one, that he suspected it solely because of the high midi-chlorian count and the raw force talent Anakin had displayed. He brings up the possibility that the midi-chlorians could have conceived him seemingly as an after-thought, like “his count is absurdly high and his mother was evasive about the father’s identity. It’s conceivable the force just created him asexually.”
Great explanation! I just sort of pretend the Virgin Birth and Midichlorians stuff doesn't actually exist usually lol, but this is a good way to rationalize it with the rest of the series.
I think his father was Qui-Gon, he had a fling with Shimi years before and then went "Oh crap... yeah... the force did it" when they got stranded on Tatooine.
Im fine with Anikan’s parentage being a mystery. fits well with the whole mystic element of the force. Mysterious virgin births kind of go part and parcel with that kind of stuff. Jesus, Hercules, Alexander, etc. “Fate works in mysterious ways” kind of stuff.
If there's an actual father, he wouldn't have had anything to do with Tatooine. Shmi and Anakin were brought to Tatooine alone. I'm trying to remember which book it was that has the whole sequence where they're together on a transport ship that lands on Tatooine. He was already a small child when they arrived. So if there's a traditional father it would have been prior to the slavery, or even potentially *due* to the slavery. She may have been sexually assaulted early in her slavery, and given birth to Anakin before being taken to Tatooine. But she would have had to be a slave for several years before reaching Tatooine for that to be the case, as it would have to be at least 3 years and 9 months before being transferred to Tatooine with Anakin because IIRC he was 3 years old in the book that covered the transport ship ride to Tatooine. I really wish I could remember which audiobook it was.
The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader talks about Anakin and Shmi being brought to Tatooine under Gardula the Hutt’s ownership. I know that book strings together many other stories, but that’s where I personally saw what you are talking about. It’s Anakin’s whole life from before TPM up until he becomes a Force ghost.
In the EU you had two aspects to the Force to meditate on, the Unifying Force and the Living Force. One theory put out in a fanfiction was that a chosen one would be born to bring balance when the Jedi focus on one aspect/knowledge and neglected the other. Anakin was clearly aligned with the Living Force in the prequels which seems neglected by the Jedi; Qui-Jon appears to be one of the few aligned with it and Luke was trained in it. Yoda would have know about this swing back and forth and how the chosen ones would bring change to the order. The whole Yuzhann Vong invasion arc was partly a rediscovering of the tenants of the Unifying Force by Luke's order since that knowledge was lost under the Empire.
What Shmi said is exactly what a single Mother that was abandoned would say. I thought it was a bit ridiculous when they leaned into the whole "There was no Father" thing literally.
Shmi Skywalker was a Sex Slave who worked for the Pimp Watto. She serviced space crews, traders and travelers on Tatooine for years. Qui Gon had visited the planet years before and enjoyed the "Spacer's Special" with her- though neither remembered the other, at first. During their conversation, they both recognized each other, but chose to not talk about it. So- Qui Gon is actually Anakin's real Father. This explains why he felt for the boy and wanted to train him.
When I first watched this in 1999, I assumed that when she said there was no father, that she did everything herself, she meant some guy knocked her up and never came back, and that it wasn't something she really wanted to talk about. He was irrelevant. I was very surprised that people, including the "wise" QGJ, took it literally.
The Plagueis Novel hints at Anakin's conception. When Plagueis and Palpatine are performing a sith ritual to empower the dark side and tip the balance of the force while hiding them from the jedi, the ritual ends with both being physically and mentally rocked and its described that in retaliation, the force itself lashed back at them for their meddling. With both realizing the force had responded to create a life capable of destroying them. This is how Palpatine ultimately knew of Anakin's existence. And that if he was to survive, he needed to do something about him.
I would think that even using the force that Plagueis would need a father of some sort to pull it all off. I mean where is he going to get all that DNA? remember if he weaves the DNA himself it has to at the very least be compatible with the human genome and produce someone that at least looks human. The easiest route would be to have a normal father and manipulate the existing DNA. Of course the next problem I have always had is if Plagueis made Anakin to be then why didn't he put the new force prodigy within easy reach? If it were not for Obi-Wan and friends its quite possible Anakin never would have been found. We must also remember regarding this prophecy that most prophecies are fulfilled simply because people believed them and made them happen or an event happened by chance that people believed met the requirements close enough.
Another reason for Shmi to lie would be to make Qui Gon believe Anakin is special, and that he needs to take him back to the Jedi temple, because she want's Qui Gon to free Anakin.
Hear me out: how we interpret media heavily depends on our own realities. I’m a woman, and I also grew up in a Christian culture. On the one hand, I could sympathize with Shmi and maybe see her response as a way to cope with trauma (she’s a slave, maybe she was r*ped by a previous master, and would rather say he has no father than say he was a product of that). On the other hand, it feels like George wrote this with Anakin being Jesus (being born to a virgin, sacrificing himself to save the universe). I’m heavily leaning towards Anakin being Space Jesus, however.
Four thousand years before Luke Skywalker would learn the ways of the Force, the Old Republic governed much of the known galaxy. From its birth to its destruction, the Republic and its defenders the Jedi Knights waged war against their enemy, the Sith Empire. Two of the most powerful Jedi, Revan and Malak, were turned to the dark side of the Force by the evil Sith Emperor during the Jedi Civil War. Malak eventually betrayed Revan, nearly killing him, when a Jedi named Bastila Shan rescued him and partially erased his memories. The Jedi Order took this opportunity to give Revan a new identity, who would later help the Republic defeat Malak and bring a new era of peace to the galaxy. They named him Skywalker. - Jedi Grand Master K'Kruhk
Interesting perspective. Perhaps Qui Gon felt the council would see through Schmi's lie about Anakin's conception if she were freed and accompanied them to Coruscant.
Hot take: Anakain brought balance to the force. After he was done, there were two Jedi: Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda, and two Sith: Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. That the republic fell to the empire and he himself was said Darth Vader is besides the point.
I always thought it was palps. She was his concubine, he impregnated her, erased her memories and left her as a slave to watch from a distance. He had a vision that his son would be accepted into the Jedi order. And boom.
Anakin's dad was Yoda. He got drunk and horny one day and knocked up Shmi, then used the Force to erase her memory. This explains Anakin's high midichlorian count and why Yoda didn't want to train Anakin for fear of being discovered.
"there was no father" followed by listing what Shmi did - giving life to Anakin and raising him - tells me that the father was absent in caring for her and the boy.
for reference, the new canon prophecy is "Only through sacrifice of many Jedi will the order cleanse the sin done to the nameless. The danger of the past is not past, but sleeps in an egg. When the egg cracks, it will threaten the galaxy entire. When the Force itself sickens, past and future must split and combine. A chosen one shall come, born of no father, and through him will ultimate balance in the Force be restored."
If you mean the Darth Vader comic then they confirmed in a later issue that that was actually just a vision Vader had (or something similar) and not reality
@@whoknowsnotme people forgot he also saw Obi wan in the same vision as a father Yet the ones obsessed with trying to force Palpatine as his biological father completely miss it intentionally or not
That's good! The point here is less about convincing people of this exact (mis)interpretation, rather it's the thinking behind it that can be applied everywhere. -DZ
With how central it is to the character motivations, it really is strange that we know so little about the prophecy. Still, if George hadn't meant for there to be multiple interpretations, I think he would've phrased Anakin's parentage with a lot less ambiguity. -DZ
I see Shmi's line that she says that there was a producer, a man who did the act that made Anakain, but he wasn't a father, that helped raising the boy. And Qui-Gon is clearly a smart guy. Not a blind follower of Jedi teachings, but someone who looks deeper. In some part of EU canon he was described as a "gray Jedi", somewhere between the light and the dark side. A bit like how Mace Windu tapped into the dark sight when fighting. But his form of lightsaber combat was dangerous and he was banned from teaching it. Which is a bit like when Anakain slaughtered them like animals. Not just the men, but the women and the children too. That was clearly a dark side act, but it made him a lot more powerful.
My theory, which is kind of dark, was she was sexually assaulted and what ever happened was so traumatic she can’t or won’t recall it. So to her she was just pregnant one day.
6:26 The virgin birth "It seems rather silly and it doesn't add anything to the movie" It ads a corelation between Anakin the chosen one and JESUS the chosen one.
In one of the Qui Gon , Obi Wan books talk all about the prophecy. He had Obi wan studying them . Dooku had Qui Gon studying them . After the events of that book , they go to Naboo.
Rewatching the scene, I felt too that Qui Gon being a little too earnest to know the truth put Shmi in a tough position when he asked her who the father was, so after she responds in the most tactful way she could, it dawned on Qui Gon mid her reply, and he knew just to drop it. Because, surely wouldn't he have more questions if he believed in the miraculous birth. Furthermore, wouldn't it have been more crucial to secure her freedom as well and present them both to the council to further prove the whole chosen one theory. The question is, why does it matter to Qui Gon so much?
Yeah, it came off with a lot of it being Qui-Gon having no real concept there of a slaves life... The story felt like a very dark thing there, she either didn't know the identity or he's not in the picture. She's a slave who had a kid, don't know who the father is and there would be nothing she could do about it. If it was a consensual thing, and the guy or Shmi were sold off at that point and shifted around (we know that there are at least 2 times that Shmi was sold/traded, to Gardula and then to Watto due to a bet, and we don't know if there was more than that, but there could be).
I've always thought the whole immaculate conception angle was pure laziness and kind of a slap in the face to fans. I, like you and Qui gon simply did not believe Shmi when she said there was no father. I knew then that she just didn't want to talk about him. But I don't think Anakin's father was someone unremarkable. Someone with such a high "midichlrorian" count - at least within the context of this story - would have to be someone relatively important. I'd always thought he was someone who wasn't either a Jedi or a Sith but someone with great Force potential. And if he's going to somehow be tied to Plaugeius then he was somehow discovered or detected by him and shenanigans ensued in trying to get him to embrace the dark side. He somehow had some ties or connection to Shmi as his lover and similar to Anakin had got it on with her and got her pregnant. Only by that time he'd fallen and made some horrible decisions and or ended up in a duel with Plagueus and having been inexperienced or something lost that battle and Shmi ran for the hills. In the midst of trying to escape she ran afoul of the Hutts and she and her child ended up as slaves. But that's just me and one out of countless possibilities. But, no, I never beleived for one second that there wasn't a father. That's so lame and like I said purely lazy writing.
Just a small point on freeing Shmi - Wotto regarded a podracer to roughly be equal to a slave (he wagered Anakin against it). When Anakin sold the podracer Shmi could have used the money to purchase her own freedom (or give it to Qui-Gon to purchase her freedom on her behalf). Then Shmi could have come along and settled somewhere in the Republic.
here are my two theories. 1. Qui Gon is Anakin's Dad because of the enthusiasm he had towards Training the Boy. 2. Anakin's father is someone we haven't met yet, and Filoni will retcon someone in. If option 2 is taken, it would be funny if the actor playing the Father was Canadian and is allowed to be Canadian, thus explaining Anakin's Accent change in Ahsoka and Kenobi
But you didn't make the obvious jump to Palpatine? The mastermind and whisperer of the will of the force? Your first theory was a jedi? Dudes who have to go to great lengths to hide their affairs and you think they just sleep around with random women? Yoda can smell that shit. Of course he was obsessed with, "Train the boy". He thought the boy was the Jedi Jesus and Galactic Savior.
I like to interpret the look shared between Qui-Gon and Shmi when asked who the father is as QUI-Gon being the father and he’s making sure she plays her part. Qui-Gon wanted to force this “prophecy” to come to fruition.
One of the Tatooien sur-naming conventions was generally a two part system. SKY-Walker, Dark-Lighter, etc. This system did not seem to be used anywhere else in the Star Wars galaxy that I am aware of. So Ankin Skywalker was born on Tatooine. There is also the possibility that Shmi was 'used' as a slave and sold for a night to someone and that individual was a sith lord... Personally I don't like the no father birth either. It also does not say Shmi was a virgin either.
Plagueis is his father he experimented with the force on a grand scale and feared that it would strike back, to which anakin was born not long after and he did insue disaster.
Since Force ability was hereditary in that galaxy, I always wondered if Shmi was originally from Naboo. She has that noble bearing as is typical with upper crust Naboo people. She had an affair with a certain Senator. To avoid being caught in a scandal, the senator sold her into slavery. The senator was a younger Palpatine, hence the high midiclorian count.
I personally believe that shimi had a passionate fling with Anakin's father but afterwards regretted it kept the baby and still raised him but kept the father details from him because she was embarrassed about how he was born. That is something that would be very common among slave labor having mutually puesdo romantic flings given their mutual oppression and finding something good out of an abysmal situation. Even if it was only just mutual physical pleasure between the two.
You do know that this isn't true right? You do know that Darth sideous was lying to Anakin to get him to turn. Plagues never learned to create or control life. He never taught it to sideous because he didn't know it himself. And sideous wouldn't be so stupid as to kill his master before he taught him his most powerful ability. He never had it. It doesn't exist and never did. The Sith did not create Anakin.
10:49 _Schmi's Seed & Feed (Formerly Lar's)_ The Jedi sat on mountains and millennia of wealth, but Qui-Gon couldn't secure funding to free a force anomaly (or his mother, so that attachment and age issue was smoothed over instead of gnawing at his conscience for years only to later find her SANDED after his wedding) Qui-Gon graciously didn't press the issue to maintain the justification for the good deed: _free my son._ Yoda at least had the sense to take it in stride that the boy was their responsibility regardless now, and there would be no one better to train a too old & attached but gifted padawan than Qui-Gon. Anakin ultimately goes on to lead an army of clone slaves created by the Order. If that wasn't tempting fate, & the force, what is? The Jedi invited _Nemesis_ upon themselves for making doing the right thing such a pharisaical bureaucratic inconvenience instead of observing Cosmic Order, _Themis,_ as Qui-Gon did. Anakin's midichlorian count _obliged Qui-Gon to try,_ just as the disregard for his warnings of the first Maul encounter that fell on deaf ears in the Council obliged his master Dooku to resign in protest. It was in his power and official remit to free Anakin regardless of prophecy, and he couldn't decline it without ignoring his conscience (as the Council would with the Clone Army and war itself). So much was avoidable at so many _fracture points_ had the Order been the paragons of virtue and moral excellence they were meant to be rather than relying on vague Force intimations and increasingly clouded 'vision' rather than ethical priors. No one _made_ them accept the fait accompli of The Clone Army, or leading them in battle; was negotiation with the CIS or political separation so terrible an outcome in light of what proceeded? The _Plagueis_ novel (and _Clone Commando_ ones) bear out another critical aspect of the film setting: insult is added to clone slave army injury by disposing of too wounded to be useful clones, especially the Sparti Cylinder fast growth ones used for the Battle of Coruscant. _Soylent Green is Jango Fett ..._ A Republic tolerating that was even less worth preserving than the Order, and the Galactic Empire that followed at least dropped the pretenses-- _"Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to Democracy!"_ You can hear it in Hayden Christensen's voice, unlimbed and falling down the lava bank: _he would have come back to the light; he regretted everything._ All Obi-Wan had to do was show him mercy in that moment; a crippled Chosen One was never a threat to him. _That_ was the great betrayal rhyming with Mace Windu's _"He's too dangerous to live!"_ That moment made Darth Vader, a scared orphan slave boy once more at the mercy of galactic politics indifferent to him and his mother's fate. The Force decided the duel in Obi-Wan's favor despite the odds; it was enough to convince Anakin, but the Order's callousness rubbed off on Obi-Wan in ways his master Qui-Gon never acceded to- and that's a tragedy of its own requiring redemption by Luke in the Throne Room, refusing the apparent literal call by Yoda & Obi-Wan to kill Darth Vader. That is why they are beaming with pride at the cannibal Ewok barbeque: _he proved all their assumptions wrong._ Luke was prepared to die on principal where Obi-Wan second guessed himself and the strength of the adoptive brotherhood he had with Anakin. Obi-Wan's shame was he loved a by then extinct Jedi Order harshly judged by Fate more than his brother at his darkest hour. Only one of them could or was worth saving in that moment, and he chose poorly.
I can think of at least three times that an enigmatic nomad made a child with a powerful wizard and that child became a monster of a sorcerer who couldn't control their powers nor could anyone else control them, either: 1.) Medivh 2.) Ben Solo 3.) Anakin Skywalker
The full version of the chosen one prophecy as been revealed by Disney in some new book or something. " Only through sacrifice of many Jedi will the Order cleanse the sin done to the nameless. The danger of the past is not the past but sleeps in an egg. When that egg cracks will threaten the Galaxy entire. When the force itself sickens past and future must split and combine a Chosen One shall come born of no father and through him will ultimate balance of the force be achieved." So Anakin is now either the chosen one or not.
💯. She was his fling, he erased her memory, he found out and had a vision of the future and manipulated the events to get him accepted into the Jedi order.
IMHO Shmi didn't purposely lie, she just didn't realize the truth. Anakin's father was Darth Plagueis; This is why it's so entertaining when Palpatine is telling Anakin about "Plagueis the wise." He's both telling Anakin about his own Master, and telling Anakin who his "father" was. Although Plaguis was a Muun, they are basically just human offshoots; so creating a human Force Clone would work to create a body that Plagueis could possess if his original died. He'd figured out why countless Sith failed to possess new bodies when they died. Palpatine borrowed the idea with the tech clones; but didn't have the skills to create a Force Clone. Palpatine always knew about Anakin and always planned to make him his true apprentice. The rest were just throw-aways that were useful for temporary purposes. It is an interesting idea though.
But Anakin did not bring balance. "Anakin" was the catalyst for the destruction of the light side. In my own Head canon, Anakin was never the chosen one. The Sith were all but gone from the world. Plagus was working in secret. I see it as, The Force users would be allowed to study all of the arts, light and dark. that is balance. This has not yet happened in the Disney Canon. baylan is the closest thing we have.
Anakin did bring balance to the force though. Before Anakin, there were 1000s of Jedi and only 2 Sith. When Anakin turned, the Jedi were reduced to just 2 as well: Obi-wan and Yoda. 2 Jedi, 2 Sith, perfectly balanced, as all things should be. Vader subsequently killed Obi-wan, and Palpatine, and then died himself. And because Yoda also happened to die of old age at the same time, it means Vader balanced the force yet again reducing it to 0 Jedi and 0 Sith. Luke wasn't a real Jedi. He didn't go through the lifelong indoctrination since he was a child. He didn't have all of the old Jedi's rules and dogma to follow. He was trained in the force like a jedi, and had some general jedi philosophies thrown at him by his two masters, but he was nothing like a jedi of the old republic. He was... Something else. And a lot could've been done with his character beyond that point, but instead Disney just shit all over paper and called it a sequel trilogy so we'll never get that story.
I know this definitely will not sway you but in the new Canon novel, Master and Apprentice, they reveal the wording of the Chosen One prophecy as: "A Chosen One shall come, born of no father, and through him will ultimate balance in the Force be restored." The book also reveals lots of other prophecies, such as "The danger of the past is not past, but sleeps in an egg. When the egg cracks, it will threaten the galaxy entire." - which I assume refers to the Sith.
In Darth Plagueis the novel, Darth Plagueis is fuckin around with midiclorians, tryna manipulate them. This sends ripples through the force, and the force answers back via the conception of Anakin. I like the idea that Shmi was having fun with a lad on Tatooine and then The Force just arbitrarily selected this child. But virgin-birth fits the plot better...there's really no room for a dad in the picture, Qui-Gon was supposed to fill that role. It all worked out lol
The whole "Chosen one" thing is a pretty big matter of controversy within the fanbase. Some find ways to justify Anakin as the chosen one, others find ways to say that Luke is the chosen one, and others still say that there never was a chosen one, or that it's someone else, or etc. Taking this theory into consideration, it makes a lot of sense that Anakin is just another nobody special who was raised by people who gaslit him into believing he was far more special than he really was for their own (usually selfish) reasons. He is a slave to the ambitions of others, a victim of the power struggle between the Jedi and Sith, and never truly breaks free of this until his choice to turn against Palpatine to rescue his own son. Up until that point, he was never truly able to make choices for himself, he was always commanded and manipulated by others.
My person theory is that the Father from The Clone Wars is Anakin's father, and both the Son and the Daughter were created in the same way (albeit from different, non-human species.) It's still technically 'The Force' but has a physical being attached to it.
Given everything that Lucas says about the force and how to balance it, I think Windu was the chosen one. He was the only one among the Jedi to obtain balance rather than be dogmatic regarding life.
One can ignore for a moment that the films are made for children and think that the simplest answer is also the most likely. Shmi is a slave in a camp and takes care of the child herself when a random dude comes and asks her "your child is very talented (obviously not your credit), who is the father?" Shmi is not a slow-witted fool, so what is her response? "There was no father". Who the father was is then never told in the story. For example, it could have been a casual romance, an ex who died or a forced customer. We'll never know.
For reference, even in the Plagueis, Plagueis is not actually the father. The Force created Anakin essentially to spite Plagueis for his manipulations, he did not create Anakin himself or influence it in a direct manner.
I don't think so. Anakin was indeed created by the force itself. Scroll through RUclips and you will find that coming out of George Lucas himself. As much as people don't like comparing him to the Messiah. It's just Cinema people. I believe you are looking too much into this. It is what it is.
Anakin is a product of genetics. His turn to the Dark Side was almost instinct kind of like when a Mogwi turns into a Gremlin. Just like a Gremlin the Sith in Anakin just needed the right trigger... sand.
There's actually a lot of cut dialog/script in RoTS. Really good stuff that they should have left in. (Extended edition when???) One such line of dialog was Palpatine revealing that HE used what he learned from Plagueis to conceive Anakin. So, that was almost canon. It would have seemed to contradict a few other things, though, so it's probably best that they cut it.
You are all forgetting about the old Jedi mind trick. Plagueis has a relationship with Shmi. (I won't go into the nature of that because it doesn't matter.) She gets pregnant and he fills the child with midichlorians presumably as his future apprentice. He wipes her mind so no one finds out. He gets killed. She gives birth. Her and the boy get sold and sent off to Tatooine.
Or, heck, Palpatine had a relationship with Shmi, possibly even seducing her, before ghosting her, with or without a mind wipe. Plaguis was a Muun, though it's possible that wasn't planned by Lucas.
The best thing they could have done would be for them to reveal Sideous was the father and he used the force to wipe her mind like she was a meat droid.
I think Darth Plagueis created Anakin as a Sith experiment. However Palpatine killed his master before he could finish it. As a result Shmii was left to fend for herself while pregnant with Anakin. She knew Plagueis created Anakin. She knew he was a Sith. She was just a vessel for his experiment in creating the "perfect" apprentice, which Palpatine couldn't allow. So he killed his master and waited for the child to reemerge. Then, manipulate him into his own perfect apprentice, even a vessel for his soul to occupy when his own body failed him. However, Vader had damaged his body too extensively for Palpatine to consider Vader a valid vessel for his soul. That's my hypothesis, at least.
I know there is one fanfic I recently reread that had Anakin himself thinking "There is no father" is actually an not uncommon excuse made by slave women.
You have some interesting points. I always wonder what would have happened in Episodes 2 and 3 if Jar Jar was allowed to be what George wanted to turn him into: a Dark Side antagonist of some sort. Instead he went with the safe Dooku pick. Still, the trilogy was fine while Disney's wasn't even a fraction of the story telling success that Episodes 1-6 were.
You see, there’s having a claim, and having strong evidence for that claim, and then there’s having a claim that has been denied as fact by the creator, and only having very little proof and the rest be speculation
Well, once a woman took her excuse for getting pregnant out of marriage so serious that it became an entire religion And when the kid was born 3 men from distant lands came bringing gifts 🤔
Actually, as it is shown in the movie "Jingle All the Way", Anakin's father was the Terminator. That's why later he became more machine than man.
I always assumed Phil Hartman was the father.
Which would add more context to critically acclaimed episode 8, when Kylo Ren told Rey she came from nothing and by proxy was nothing.
Anakin came from a onesie, he is the one.
_IT'S LIKE POETRY_
I guess that explains why he whacked the kids before they could grow up the terminator does the same thing in T3
Tis true
Put the cookie down!!!!!
As was said by Obi-Wan in the Revenge of the Sith novel; "The prophecy says a Chosen One will bring balance to the Force; NOWHERE does it say he MUST be a Jedi."
on one side there is the Jedi with hundreds if not thousands of members who have massive power in the government on the other we have two or three Sith hiding in the shadows so the balance is heavily in favor of the Jedi.
I'd wager this is a belief (or a type of thinking at minimum) inherited from Qui Gon.
@@rjshadow4321 Balance to the force, not balance between light and dark side. I know it can be confusing, especially with Disney leaning into the more Ying/Yang interpretation but Lucas was very clear on this. Dark side is the imbalance. Bringing balance to the force means getting rid of the sith. Dark side is like cancer. Healing the body does not mean make the body equal parts cancer and healthy cells, it means removing cancer.
@@rjshadow4321Stop. This line of logic is bankrupt.
@@rjshadow4321 balance ≠ equal light and dark. Balance is the absence of the dark side. It is a cancer. There is no balance with the dark side
You know, while in retrospect the no father thing was clearly to make Anakin more comparable to Jesus, when I first heard it my internal response was "who was Shmi so ashamed of having slept with that she tried to convince a Jedi of all people that Anakin was an immaculate conception?"
Exactly my reaction too
Immaculate conception is not the same as virgin birth.
Ever wonder what happened to Revan when he disappeared from Republic Space, and returned as a dark lord?
Maybe what happened to Shmi that caused her to have a son was a traumatic experience. She blocked out the event of the conception and invented a different story in order to maintain her own sanity.
I mean, the Jedi Prophecy isn't exactly something Shmi would know about, and the midichlorian count being so unprecedentedly high in Anakin connects to the prophecy.
It's a pretty big coincidence that the child she 'lies' about ends up having a scientific and physically observable/measurable connection to the very prophecy she couldn't have known anything about.
I personally enjoy what the Plagueis novel set up as the answer to the question, having Anakin be the reaction to the Dark Sides growing power and attempts to directly control the force and reality. But to each their own on this, worse things could have been said regarding this but it was a reasonable interpretation solely using the films. Cant wait for the next video!
There's a line in the Episode 3 novel that adds an entirely darker possibility: when revealing himself as a Sith to Anakin and entreating Anakin to join him, Palpatine has one single response when Anakin responds that he's, supposed to be the Jedi Chosen one: "you ARE the chosen one, my boy. Chosen by ME."
Now there was a very sinister thriller movie that came out in 78 called The Boys from Brazil. And in that movie, we find a secret plot hatched by "rhymes-with-yahtzee" scientists to artificially inseminate 94 homeless women with genetically engineered clones of Adolph himself. Now how would this work for a Sith Lord? What if Plaguis had developed the perfect force user zygote? Saturated with midichlorians? What if he had agents on multiple worlds assigned to find potential mothers with no social standing, like, say, slaves? And what if he had the children observed and their circumstances manipulated to produce the optimum candidate for seduction to the Dark Side?
I submit that Anakin was genetically engineered by Plaguis and Sidious and implanted in Shmi, along with untold others.
That works well, I particularly like the idea of it being a larger project instead of a single miraculous individual. It all lines up with established behaviour: meddling with Force-sensitive clones tends to go badly, hence the need for multiple attempts to get even one viable candidate. A slave's life is perfect for creating a future apprentice of the dark side, and this is a very subtle approach. The perfect way to handle things when the Sith are still in hiding. -DZ
_Well within a banker from Muunilist's means._ And a good missed reveal for Palpatine by killing Plagueis-- he did have more up his sleeve, and he was going to show how extensively their sith alchemical interventions required finessing with brute force and material scale of experimentation. In the EU Palps does succeed in making suitable force sensitive clones for essence transfer, but they decay far to quickly. Had he been less impatient and prideful, that could have changed. *Surrogate Mothers* as a requirement for midichlorian transfer to viable clones that wouldn't otherwise be force sensitive might even have justified Rey Mysterio in Rat Wars.
Lol low standing woman trying to make the perfect individual, sounds like Compound V and Homelander haha
and we even see palp try and make sith armys with clones in eu material
That would mean Rey and Kylo committed incest
There’s also an interpretation I’ve heard that Plagueis tried to manipulate the midichlorians to create something evil, and instead the Force itself retaliated and created Anakin to counter Plagueis’s meddling. There’s really no basis for this in canon that I’ve heard but it’s a cool interpretation nonetheless. It kind of makes Anakin’s creation be both by the will of the Force and more indirectly by the actions of Plagueis so that both are true depending on your point of view
That's not an interpretation, that's something directly implied by an old EU novel where he and palps try to influence the force. I think it's also indirectly implied in the new canon, but not confirmed
The only thing I know about Darth Plagueis was according to quote unquote Chancellor Palpatine whose real Sith name is really Darth Sidious once described that he had such a knowledge of the dark side he would even keep the ones he cares about from dying but he also said the dark side is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be unnatural. But he also taught his Apprentice everything I know Darth Sidious was his Apprentice and he also killed him in his sleep. The truth is Sidious was too powermadd because he viewed it as he can save others from death but not himself that's the nonsensical ravings of a narcissist because when it came to the emperor he didn't care how many apprentices he lost he just wanted to make sure he ruled the Galaxy forever. He didn't care about Anakin Skywalker when he was afraid that he would lose Padme he just wanted to make sure he lost everything to ensure that his Apprentice doesn't feel anything it almost feels like taking away everything from him and leaving him without hope but even such a powerful Sith as Sidious was he was mostly a full because he was defeated by his Apprentice who saved his son Luke Skywalker and then eventually he was defeated by his granddaughter which means the Galactic Empire and the First and "Final" Order we're destroyed. In layman's terms to all this his narcissistic Empire never came to be almost like Adolf Hitler in World War II has 1,000 year Reich never existed we rebelled against him his own soldiers turn against him at least the ones with a conscience like the guys in the July 20th plot we all rebelled against him to ensure that he'll never see his new world order come to Full Blossom
Per _Cosmic Force_ it's will doesn't take cues from one or the other; its response to Plagueis is as necessary as laws of nature, just as the Jedi's moral failures bring about their downfall. It could have gone many different ways, all compatible with Anakin being the balancer.
You should know, Mr Starkiller, Sir.
i think anakin got balanced out, because he is far far from a "good" person
There is a certain poetry in the fact sith meddling with the force caused there downfall.
They spent 1000 years in hiding and building their power. Then they got a little to comfortable with their plot to take advantage of a corrupt senate and tried to gain immortality only to create their destroyer. The Sith are never satisfied with their power, and Anakin was the Force’s answer for their arrogance.
@@gabethebabe3337Until Acolyte….
Personally and for the longest time, I've always accepted Anakin's origins to be almost biblical in some way. I figured that, somehow through some miracle, Anakin was conceived without a father through the will of the Force. It was decided through will alone that the chosen one would be born as Anakin at that time and place. After all, the Skywalker story takes in a lot of cues from Earthian myth, legend, and religious stories. With that in mind, you folks brought up some really neat points about Anakin's father. Palpatine using the force to manipulate Anakin's birth is also a strong case as well.
But Darth Vader is a bad guy and Anakin murders children and other Jedi and sleeps with amidalla. So he's no messiah. To have him be virgin born is a insult to the Bible.
Even Palpatine manipulating it is mythically sound. He thought he had mastery over the divine and could make it serve him, but his ultimate project in Sith magics was his undoing when Anakin turned back and threw him down a hole. What Palpatine sought for Evil, the Force used for Good.
They were trying and so the force reacted and sent anakin to restart the light and dark. Rebooted the computer
As far as I'm concerned, if Lucas said it's Plagueis, it's Plagueis
This.
Yes but why didn't Plagueis just manipulate the midichlorians to create an ultimate/obedient apprentice as opposed to Palpatine???!!!
@@WizzdummHeadley because that would weaken the dark side/Sith, the point is that it can't stagnate, that the apprentice has to eventually succeed over their master
@@mystify7478 Weaken the darkside!? It would strengthen it also the great/wise/powerful Plagueis should have taken Palps out not the other way around!?
@@mystify7478 Well they planned their revenge over the course of 1000 years!!!???
When I first saw the "no father" scene in the theater, I had the first impression that Qui-Gon was testing whether Shmi remembered him from their one-night stand and whether she had made the connection between Qui-Gon and Anikin. This is, of course ridiculous, as Liam Neeson is 6'4" and Darth was 6'5" in metal "heels". I think it's clear that Sidious learned the midichlorian thing from Plagueis and then created his own intended follower, Ani.
*Anakin.
Quite honestly, with Star Wars having it's roots as a modern Mythology, I really don't mind a chosen one being born from the force.
My initial assumption was that she was saying there was never a father *present* in Anakin’s life. When she says “I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him,” it sounds like a straightforward explanation that, because the man who impregnated her was not there at any point during pregnancy, delivery, or upbringing, she doesn’t consider him the boy’s father in any meaningful sense. And “I can’t explain what happened” sounds like she either doesn’t know who the man was, or that she doesn’t understand why he left. If she had actually become pregnant without intercourse, I would expect a very different explanation, something like “I know it seems impossible; I wouldn’t believe it if it hadn’t happened to me, but there really wasn’t anyone else.” I also would have expected Qui-Gon to be much more skeptical, and to have a much stronger reaction to the midi-chlorian reading, realizing it could explain the otherwise unbelievable thing Shmi had told him. As it stands, it just looks like Shmi is being tactful about saying she isn’t willing or able to talk about the absent sperm donor, and QuiGon is respectful enough not to push.
I also got the impression, when he told the council he thought Anakin was the chosen one, that he suspected it solely because of the high midi-chlorian count and the raw force talent Anakin had displayed. He brings up the possibility that the midi-chlorians could have conceived him seemingly as an after-thought, like “his count is absurdly high and his mother was evasive about the father’s identity. It’s conceivable the force just created him asexually.”
Great explanation! I just sort of pretend the Virgin Birth and Midichlorians stuff doesn't actually exist usually lol, but this is a good way to rationalize it with the rest of the series.
Funny that the actress that played Anakins mother had played Mary in Mary, the mother of Jesus with Christian Bale as Jesus
probably not a coincidence
I think his father was Qui-Gon, he had a fling with Shimi years before and then went "Oh crap... yeah... the force did it" when they got stranded on Tatooine.
Legend has it Qui Gon went out to buy blue milk
Im fine with Anikan’s parentage being a mystery. fits well with the whole mystic element of the force. Mysterious virgin births kind of go part and parcel with that kind of stuff. Jesus, Hercules, Alexander, etc.
“Fate works in mysterious ways” kind of stuff.
Qui-Gon Jinn: "Who was his father?"
Shmi: (remembering that meme image of Yoda falling off Luke's back) "...There was no father."
If there's an actual father, he wouldn't have had anything to do with Tatooine. Shmi and Anakin were brought to Tatooine alone. I'm trying to remember which book it was that has the whole sequence where they're together on a transport ship that lands on Tatooine. He was already a small child when they arrived.
So if there's a traditional father it would have been prior to the slavery, or even potentially *due* to the slavery. She may have been sexually assaulted early in her slavery, and given birth to Anakin before being taken to Tatooine. But she would have had to be a slave for several years before reaching Tatooine for that to be the case, as it would have to be at least 3 years and 9 months before being transferred to Tatooine with Anakin because IIRC he was 3 years old in the book that covered the transport ship ride to Tatooine. I really wish I could remember which audiobook it was.
The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader talks about Anakin and Shmi being brought to Tatooine under Gardula the Hutt’s ownership. I know that book strings together many other stories, but that’s where I personally saw what you are talking about. It’s Anakin’s whole life from before TPM up until he becomes a Force ghost.
"Skywalker" is a spacer name, like Sunrider, Starkiller, or Darklighter.
In the EU you had two aspects to the Force to meditate on, the Unifying Force and the Living Force. One theory put out in a fanfiction was that a chosen one would be born to bring balance when the Jedi focus on one aspect/knowledge and neglected the other. Anakin was clearly aligned with the Living Force in the prequels which seems neglected by the Jedi; Qui-Jon appears to be one of the few aligned with it and Luke was trained in it. Yoda would have know about this swing back and forth and how the chosen ones would bring change to the order. The whole Yuzhann Vong invasion arc was partly a rediscovering of the tenants of the Unifying Force by Luke's order since that knowledge was lost under the Empire.
What Shmi said is exactly what a single Mother that was abandoned would say. I thought it was a bit ridiculous when they leaned into the whole "There was no Father" thing literally.
Shmi Skywalker was a Sex Slave who worked for the Pimp Watto. She serviced space crews, traders and travelers on Tatooine for years. Qui Gon had visited the planet years before and enjoyed the "Spacer's Special" with her- though neither remembered the other, at first. During their conversation, they both recognized each other, but chose to not talk about it. So- Qui Gon is actually Anakin's real Father. This explains why he felt for the boy and wanted to train him.
Qui Gon Pimp.
I know you're being cheeky but then why would Qui Gon, in a private conversation with Shmi and no one to witness, ask her "who is his father?"
@marielysdiane3342 lol right? Why would he randomly ask that question. 😂
@@doom5895Because he wanted to confirm whether that was the woman he knocked up all those years before.
When I first watched this in 1999, I assumed that when she said there was no father, that she did everything herself, she meant some guy knocked her up and never came back, and that it wasn't something she really wanted to talk about. He was irrelevant. I was very surprised that people, including the "wise" QGJ, took it literally.
The Plagueis Novel hints at Anakin's conception.
When Plagueis and Palpatine are performing a sith ritual to empower the dark side and tip the balance of the force while hiding them from the jedi, the ritual ends with both being physically and mentally rocked and its described that in retaliation, the force itself lashed back at them for their meddling. With both realizing the force had responded to create a life capable of destroying them. This is how Palpatine ultimately knew of Anakin's existence. And that if he was to survive, he needed to do something about him.
I would think that even using the force that Plagueis would need a father of some sort to pull it all off. I mean where is he going to get all that DNA? remember if he weaves the DNA himself it has to at the very least be compatible with the human genome and produce someone that at least looks human. The easiest route would be to have a normal father and manipulate the existing DNA. Of course the next problem I have always had is if Plagueis made Anakin to be then why didn't he put the new force prodigy within easy reach? If it were not for Obi-Wan and friends its quite possible Anakin never would have been found. We must also remember regarding this prophecy that most prophecies are fulfilled simply because people believed them and made them happen or an event happened by chance that people believed met the requirements close enough.
Another reason for Shmi to lie would be to make Qui Gon believe Anakin is special, and that he needs to take him back to the Jedi temple, because she want's Qui Gon to free Anakin.
When i was a kid i thought that she just meant his father was a deadbeat that wasn't worth mentioning.
Shmi Skywalker + Death Sticks = Darth Vader. Don't do drugs.
Hear me out: how we interpret media heavily depends on our own realities. I’m a woman, and I also grew up in a Christian culture. On the one hand, I could sympathize with Shmi and maybe see her response as a way to cope with trauma (she’s a slave, maybe she was r*ped by a previous master, and would rather say he has no father than say he was a product of that). On the other hand, it feels like George wrote this with Anakin being Jesus (being born to a virgin, sacrificing himself to save the universe). I’m heavily leaning towards Anakin being Space Jesus, however.
Four thousand years before Luke Skywalker would learn the ways of the Force, the Old Republic governed much of the known galaxy. From its birth to its destruction, the Republic and its defenders the Jedi Knights waged war against their enemy, the Sith Empire. Two of the most powerful Jedi, Revan and Malak, were turned to the dark side of the Force by the evil Sith Emperor during the Jedi Civil War. Malak eventually betrayed Revan, nearly killing him, when a Jedi named Bastila Shan rescued him and partially erased his memories. The Jedi Order took this opportunity to give Revan a new identity, who would later help the Republic defeat Malak and bring a new era of peace to the galaxy. They named him Skywalker. - Jedi Grand Master K'Kruhk
Interesting perspective. Perhaps Qui Gon felt the council would see through Schmi's lie about Anakin's conception if she were freed and accompanied them to Coruscant.
14:37 hahaha, y'all really wanted to fit that joke in there X D
Great video as always!
Hot take: Anakain brought balance to the force.
After he was done, there were two Jedi: Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda, and two Sith: Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader.
That the republic fell to the empire and he himself was said Darth Vader is besides the point.
I dont agree with you but when your video has so high quality i cannot do anything else but like it
I always thought it was palps. She was his concubine, he impregnated her, erased her memories and left her as a slave to watch from a distance. He had a vision that his son would be accepted into the Jedi order. And boom.
I've heard more than one single mother say, "there is no father." Getting abandoned after getting pregnant isn't exactly a rare thing.
Anakin's dad was Yoda. He got drunk and horny one day and knocked up Shmi, then used the Force to erase her memory.
This explains Anakin's high midichlorian count and why Yoda didn't want to train Anakin for fear of being discovered.
"there was no father" followed by listing what Shmi did - giving life to Anakin and raising him - tells me that the father was absent in caring for her and the boy.
There was no father as in no father figure.
for reference, the new canon prophecy is "Only through sacrifice of many Jedi will the order cleanse the sin done to the nameless. The danger of the past is not past, but sleeps in an egg. When the egg cracks, it will threaten the galaxy entire. When the Force itself sickens, past and future must split and combine. A chosen one shall come, born
of no father, and through him will ultimate balance in the Force be restored."
There’s literally a canon comic that confirms that the force made Anikian after Palpatine manipulated the force.
If you mean the Darth Vader comic then they confirmed in a later issue that that was actually just a vision Vader had (or something similar) and not reality
@@whoknowsnotme people forgot he also saw Obi wan in the same vision as a father
Yet the ones obsessed with trying to force Palpatine as his biological father completely miss it intentionally or not
I don't necessarily agree 100% with the premise you presented but this is the exact kind of discussion we need more of in Star Wars.
That's good! The point here is less about convincing people of this exact (mis)interpretation, rather it's the thinking behind it that can be applied everywhere. -DZ
I just want to see the unedited prophecy
And not agreeing with the creator is bawlsy.
“Nope that isn’t what you meant when you wrote that”
With how central it is to the character motivations, it really is strange that we know so little about the prophecy. Still, if George hadn't meant for there to be multiple interpretations, I think he would've phrased Anakin's parentage with a lot less ambiguity. -DZ
In the book he actually says "It seems we have been had"
I see Shmi's line that she says that there was a producer, a man who did the act that made Anakain, but he wasn't a father, that helped raising the boy.
And Qui-Gon is clearly a smart guy. Not a blind follower of Jedi teachings, but someone who looks deeper. In some part of EU canon he was described as a "gray Jedi", somewhere between the light and the dark side.
A bit like how Mace Windu tapped into the dark sight when fighting. But his form of lightsaber combat was dangerous and he was banned from teaching it.
Which is a bit like when Anakain slaughtered them like animals. Not just the men, but the women and the children too. That was clearly a dark side act, but it made him a lot more powerful.
My theory, which is kind of dark, was she was sexually assaulted and what ever happened was so traumatic she can’t or won’t recall it. So to her she was just pregnant one day.
I think you need to learn what a theory is. -As opposed to simply stating the unspoken overtone of a shallow mind.
@@UnitSe7enHello shallow mind, stop being condescending maybe?
6:26 The virgin birth "It seems rather silly and it doesn't add anything to the movie" It ads a corelation between Anakin the chosen one and JESUS the chosen one.
If Palpatine made Anakin and Rey is a daughter of a clone of Palpatine, that would make Reylo an incest couple. #Disney
I honestly think its more ridiculous that someone who was so powerful he could use the force to create life was killed by 20 yr old unlimited powaaaa
sure he snuck up on him but you would think someone that powerful would do the whole "I'm always on guard even when im sleeping" cliche
Anakin did bring balance to the Force. He wiped out the Jedi, balancing the number of light side users to dark side.
Who else came knowing Watto was Anakin's father all along?
No money, no parts, no deal.
Me
In one of the Qui Gon , Obi Wan books talk all about the prophecy. He had Obi wan studying them . Dooku had Qui Gon studying them . After the events of that book , they go to Naboo.
Rewatching the scene, I felt too that Qui Gon being a little too earnest to know the truth put Shmi in a tough position when he asked her who the father was, so after she responds in the most tactful way she could, it dawned on Qui Gon mid her reply, and he knew just to drop it. Because, surely wouldn't he have more questions if he believed in the miraculous birth. Furthermore, wouldn't it have been more crucial to secure her freedom as well and present them both to the council to further prove the whole chosen one theory. The question is, why does it matter to Qui Gon so much?
Yeah, it came off with a lot of it being Qui-Gon having no real concept there of a slaves life...
The story felt like a very dark thing there, she either didn't know the identity or he's not in the picture. She's a slave who had a kid, don't know who the father is and there would be nothing she could do about it. If it was a consensual thing, and the guy or Shmi were sold off at that point and shifted around (we know that there are at least 2 times that Shmi was sold/traded, to Gardula and then to Watto due to a bet, and we don't know if there was more than that, but there could be).
I feel like your earlier videos were better, but damn, we straight up writing fan fiction now
I've always thought the whole immaculate conception angle was pure laziness and kind of a slap in the face to fans. I, like you and Qui gon simply did not believe Shmi when she said there was no father. I knew then that she just didn't want to talk about him. But I don't think Anakin's father was someone unremarkable. Someone with such a high "midichlrorian" count - at least within the context of this story - would have to be someone relatively important.
I'd always thought he was someone who wasn't either a Jedi or a Sith but someone with great Force potential. And if he's going to somehow be tied to Plaugeius then he was somehow discovered or detected by him and shenanigans ensued in trying to get him to embrace the dark side. He somehow had some ties or connection to Shmi as his lover and similar to Anakin had got it on with her and got her pregnant. Only by that time he'd fallen and made some horrible decisions and or ended up in a duel with Plagueus and having been inexperienced or something lost that battle and Shmi ran for the hills.
In the midst of trying to escape she ran afoul of the Hutts and she and her child ended up as slaves. But that's just me and one out of countless possibilities. But, no, I never beleived for one second that there wasn't a father. That's so lame and like I said purely lazy writing.
Just a small point on freeing Shmi - Wotto regarded a podracer to roughly be equal to a slave (he wagered Anakin against it). When Anakin sold the podracer Shmi could have used the money to purchase her own freedom (or give it to Qui-Gon to purchase her freedom on her behalf). Then Shmi could have come along and settled somewhere in the Republic.
here are my two theories.
1. Qui Gon is Anakin's Dad because of the enthusiasm he had towards Training the Boy.
2. Anakin's father is someone we haven't met yet, and Filoni will retcon someone in.
If option 2 is taken, it would be funny if the actor playing the Father was Canadian and is allowed to be Canadian, thus explaining Anakin's Accent change in Ahsoka and Kenobi
But you didn't make the obvious jump to Palpatine? The mastermind and whisperer of the will of the force? Your first theory was a jedi? Dudes who have to go to great lengths to hide their affairs and you think they just sleep around with random women? Yoda can smell that shit.
Of course he was obsessed with, "Train the boy". He thought the boy was the Jedi Jesus and Galactic Savior.
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Amakin should have been Orlando Bloom
I like to interpret the look shared between Qui-Gon and Shmi when asked who the father is as QUI-Gon being the father and he’s making sure she plays her part. Qui-Gon wanted to force this “prophecy” to come to fruition.
Darth Plagueis : I messed up
Big time
"Its not possible that Anakin's father is the force"
"Why isn't it possible?"
"Its just not"
"Why you stupid bastard!?"
The Force has many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
One of the Tatooien sur-naming conventions was generally a two part system. SKY-Walker, Dark-Lighter, etc. This system did not seem to be used anywhere else in the Star Wars galaxy that I am aware of. So Ankin Skywalker was born on Tatooine. There is also the possibility that Shmi was 'used' as a slave and sold for a night to someone and that individual was a sith lord... Personally I don't like the no father birth either. It also does not say Shmi was a virgin either.
I thought all kids born on Tatooine get called Dirtfarmer?
"I have never believed in the Virgin birth" followed by a shot of Watto is wild ⚰️
Plagueis is his father he experimented with the force on a grand scale and feared that it would strike back, to which anakin was born not long after and he did insue disaster.
Since Force ability was hereditary in that galaxy, I always wondered if Shmi was originally from Naboo. She has that noble bearing as is typical with upper crust Naboo people. She had an affair with a certain Senator. To avoid being caught in a scandal, the senator sold her into slavery. The senator was a younger Palpatine, hence the high midiclorian count.
I personally believe that shimi had a passionate fling with Anakin's father but afterwards regretted it kept the baby and still raised him but kept the father details from him because she was embarrassed about how he was born.
That is something that would be very common among slave labor having mutually puesdo romantic flings given their mutual oppression and finding something good out of an abysmal situation. Even if it was only just mutual physical pleasure between the two.
Obsurd take
You do know that this isn't true right? You do know that Darth sideous was lying to Anakin to get him to turn. Plagues never learned to create or control life. He never taught it to sideous because he didn't know it himself. And sideous wouldn't be so stupid as to kill his master before he taught him his most powerful ability. He never had it. It doesn't exist and never did. The Sith did not create Anakin.
10:49 _Schmi's Seed & Feed (Formerly Lar's)_ The Jedi sat on mountains and millennia of wealth, but Qui-Gon couldn't secure funding to free a force anomaly (or his mother, so that attachment and age issue was smoothed over instead of gnawing at his conscience for years only to later find her SANDED after his wedding) Qui-Gon graciously didn't press the issue to maintain the justification for the good deed: _free my son._ Yoda at least had the sense to take it in stride that the boy was their responsibility regardless now, and there would be no one better to train a too old & attached but gifted padawan than Qui-Gon.
Anakin ultimately goes on to lead an army of clone slaves created by the Order. If that wasn't tempting fate, & the force, what is? The Jedi invited _Nemesis_ upon themselves for making doing the right thing such a pharisaical bureaucratic inconvenience instead of observing Cosmic Order, _Themis,_ as Qui-Gon did. Anakin's midichlorian count _obliged Qui-Gon to try,_ just as the disregard for his warnings of the first Maul encounter that fell on deaf ears in the Council obliged his master Dooku to resign in protest. It was in his power and official remit to free Anakin regardless of prophecy, and he couldn't decline it without ignoring his conscience (as the Council would with the Clone Army and war itself).
So much was avoidable at so many _fracture points_ had the Order been the paragons of virtue and moral excellence they were meant to be rather than relying on vague Force intimations and increasingly clouded 'vision' rather than ethical priors. No one _made_ them accept the fait accompli of The Clone Army, or leading them in battle; was negotiation with the CIS or political separation so terrible an outcome in light of what proceeded?
The _Plagueis_ novel (and _Clone Commando_ ones) bear out another critical aspect of the film setting: insult is added to clone slave army injury by disposing of too wounded to be useful clones, especially the Sparti Cylinder fast growth ones used for the Battle of Coruscant. _Soylent Green is Jango Fett ..._ A Republic tolerating that was even less worth preserving than the Order, and the Galactic Empire that followed at least dropped the pretenses--
_"Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to Democracy!"_
You can hear it in Hayden Christensen's voice, unlimbed and falling down the lava bank: _he would have come back to the light; he regretted everything._ All Obi-Wan had to do was show him mercy in that moment; a crippled Chosen One was never a threat to him. _That_ was the great betrayal rhyming with Mace Windu's _"He's too dangerous to live!"_ That moment made Darth Vader, a scared orphan slave boy once more at the mercy of galactic politics indifferent to him and his mother's fate.
The Force decided the duel in Obi-Wan's favor despite the odds; it was enough to convince Anakin, but the Order's callousness rubbed off on Obi-Wan in ways his master Qui-Gon never acceded to- and that's a tragedy of its own requiring redemption by Luke in the Throne Room, refusing the apparent literal call by Yoda & Obi-Wan to kill Darth Vader. That is why they are beaming with pride at the cannibal Ewok barbeque: _he proved all their assumptions wrong._ Luke was prepared to die on principal where Obi-Wan second guessed himself and the strength of the adoptive brotherhood he had with Anakin. Obi-Wan's shame was he loved a by then extinct Jedi Order harshly judged by Fate more than his brother at his darkest hour. Only one of them could or was worth saving in that moment, and he chose poorly.
When She Said, "There is no father." I Knew That I'd Heard It Before. A LOT of Women In My Community Say That. 🤣🤣🤣
How's K-Dam the Kakapo doing, still working out?
I can think of at least three times that an enigmatic nomad made a child with a powerful wizard and that child became a monster of a sorcerer who couldn't control their powers nor could anyone else control them, either:
1.) Medivh
2.) Ben Solo
3.) Anakin Skywalker
I have heard it said by using the Force to prolong his life, and save others, the force created Anakin not Pleagius
Funny coincidence that Pernilla August portrayed both Shmi Skywalker and Virgin Mary (in "Mary, Mother of Jesus"), both released in 1999.
The full version of the chosen one prophecy as been revealed by Disney in some new book or something. " Only through sacrifice of many Jedi will the Order cleanse the sin done to the nameless. The danger of the past is not the past but sleeps in an egg. When that egg cracks will threaten the Galaxy entire. When the force itself sickens past and future must split and combine a Chosen One shall come born of no father and through him will ultimate balance of the force be achieved." So Anakin is now either the chosen one or not.
Anakin biological father is Palpatine
💯. She was his fling, he erased her memory, he found out and had a vision of the future and manipulated the events to get him accepted into the Jedi order.
IMHO Shmi didn't purposely lie, she just didn't realize the truth. Anakin's father was Darth Plagueis; This is why it's so entertaining when Palpatine is telling Anakin about "Plagueis the wise." He's both telling Anakin about his own Master, and telling Anakin who his "father" was. Although Plaguis was a Muun, they are basically just human offshoots; so creating a human Force Clone would work to create a body that Plagueis could possess if his original died. He'd figured out why countless Sith failed to possess new bodies when they died. Palpatine borrowed the idea with the tech clones; but didn't have the skills to create a Force Clone. Palpatine always knew about Anakin and always planned to make him his true apprentice. The rest were just throw-aways that were useful for temporary purposes. It is an interesting idea though.
But Anakin did not bring balance. "Anakin" was the catalyst for the destruction of the light side. In my own Head canon, Anakin was never the chosen one.
The Sith were all but gone from the world. Plagus was working in secret. I see it as, The Force users would be allowed to study all of the arts, light and dark. that is balance. This has not yet happened in the Disney Canon. baylan is the closest thing we have.
Anakin did bring balance to the force though.
Before Anakin, there were 1000s of Jedi and only 2 Sith.
When Anakin turned, the Jedi were reduced to just 2 as well: Obi-wan and Yoda.
2 Jedi, 2 Sith, perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Vader subsequently killed Obi-wan, and Palpatine, and then died himself. And because Yoda also happened to die of old age at the same time, it means Vader balanced the force yet again reducing it to 0 Jedi and 0 Sith.
Luke wasn't a real Jedi. He didn't go through the lifelong indoctrination since he was a child. He didn't have all of the old Jedi's rules and dogma to follow. He was trained in the force like a jedi, and had some general jedi philosophies thrown at him by his two masters, but he was nothing like a jedi of the old republic.
He was... Something else. And a lot could've been done with his character beyond that point, but instead Disney just shit all over paper and called it a sequel trilogy so we'll never get that story.
I know this definitely will not sway you but in the new Canon novel, Master and Apprentice, they reveal the wording of the Chosen One prophecy as: "A Chosen One shall come, born of no father, and through him will ultimate balance in the Force be restored." The book also reveals lots of other prophecies, such as "The danger of the past is not past, but sleeps in an egg. When the egg cracks, it will threaten the galaxy entire." - which I assume refers to the Sith.
In the latest retcon.
I fixed it for you.
In Darth Plagueis the novel, Darth Plagueis is fuckin around with midiclorians, tryna manipulate them. This sends ripples through the force, and the force answers back via the conception of Anakin. I like the idea that Shmi was having fun with a lad on Tatooine and then The Force just arbitrarily selected this child. But virgin-birth fits the plot better...there's really no room for a dad in the picture, Qui-Gon was supposed to fill that role. It all worked out lol
The whole "Chosen one" thing is a pretty big matter of controversy within the fanbase. Some find ways to justify Anakin as the chosen one, others find ways to say that Luke is the chosen one, and others still say that there never was a chosen one, or that it's someone else, or etc.
Taking this theory into consideration, it makes a lot of sense that Anakin is just another nobody special who was raised by people who gaslit him into believing he was far more special than he really was for their own (usually selfish) reasons. He is a slave to the ambitions of others, a victim of the power struggle between the Jedi and Sith, and never truly breaks free of this until his choice to turn against Palpatine to rescue his own son. Up until that point, he was never truly able to make choices for himself, he was always commanded and manipulated by others.
Boy, his mother's explanation sounds like every single mother out there. Are you sure this is fiction???
It's not fiction
It just happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
My person theory is that the Father from The Clone Wars is Anakin's father, and both the Son and the Daughter were created in the same way (albeit from different, non-human species.) It's still technically 'The Force' but has a physical being attached to it.
Given everything that Lucas says about the force and how to balance it, I think Windu was the chosen one. He was the only one among the Jedi to obtain balance rather than be dogmatic regarding life.
One can ignore for a moment that the films are made for children and think that the simplest answer is also the most likely. Shmi is a slave in a camp and takes care of the child herself when a random dude comes and asks her "your child is very talented (obviously not your credit), who is the father?" Shmi is not a slow-witted fool, so what is her response? "There was no father". Who the father was is then never told in the story. For example, it could have been a casual romance, an ex who died or a forced customer. We'll never know.
For reference, even in the Plagueis, Plagueis is not actually the father. The Force created Anakin essentially to spite Plagueis for his manipulations, he did not create Anakin himself or influence it in a direct manner.
Anakin Watto, search your feelings Ani, chupadenalia
I don't think so. Anakin was indeed created by the force itself. Scroll through RUclips and you will find that coming out of George Lucas himself. As much as people don't like comparing him to the Messiah. It's just Cinema people. I believe you are looking too much into this. It is what it is.
Anakin is a product of genetics. His turn to the Dark Side was almost instinct kind of like when a Mogwi turns into a Gremlin. Just like a Gremlin the Sith in Anakin just needed the right trigger... sand.
There's actually a lot of cut dialog/script in RoTS. Really good stuff that they should have left in. (Extended edition when???)
One such line of dialog was Palpatine revealing that HE used what he learned from Plagueis to conceive Anakin.
So, that was almost canon. It would have seemed to contradict a few other things, though, so it's probably best that they cut it.
You are all forgetting about the old Jedi mind trick. Plagueis has a relationship with Shmi. (I won't go into the nature of that because it doesn't matter.) She gets pregnant and he fills the child with midichlorians presumably as his future apprentice. He wipes her mind so no one finds out. He gets killed. She gives birth. Her and the boy get sold and sent off to Tatooine.
Or, heck, Palpatine had a relationship with Shmi, possibly even seducing her, before ghosting her, with or without a mind wipe. Plaguis was a Muun, though it's possible that wasn't planned by Lucas.
If Leia was the real Chosen One as Lucas planned for the sequels, Leia could be the one conceived by the Force while Luke was naturally concieved
Anakin's father is...Obi-Wan. He was on shore leave and visited a Hutt brothel.
10:48 what the heck man...why? Never ONCE crossed my mind such a thing would exist
The best thing they could have done would be for them to reveal Sideous was the father and he used the force to wipe her mind like she was a meat droid.
I think Darth Plagueis created Anakin as a Sith experiment. However Palpatine killed his master before he could finish it. As a result Shmii was left to fend for herself while pregnant with Anakin. She knew Plagueis created Anakin. She knew he was a Sith. She was just a vessel for his experiment in creating the "perfect" apprentice, which Palpatine couldn't allow. So he killed his master and waited for the child to reemerge. Then, manipulate him into his own perfect apprentice, even a vessel for his soul to occupy when his own body failed him. However, Vader had damaged his body too extensively for Palpatine to consider Vader a valid vessel for his soul. That's my hypothesis, at least.
I always thought it would've been interesting if Vader turned out to be palpatine's kid.
The dark side of a force is a pathway to many abilities some would call …. unnatural.
I know there is one fanfic I recently reread that had Anakin himself thinking "There is no father" is actually an not uncommon excuse made by slave women.
You have some interesting points. I always wonder what would have happened in Episodes 2 and 3 if Jar Jar was allowed to be what George wanted to turn him into: a Dark Side antagonist of some sort. Instead he went with the safe Dooku pick. Still, the trilogy was fine while Disney's wasn't even a fraction of the story telling success that Episodes 1-6 were.
It's called rufies
Would it be strange if Dooku was the father?
You see, there’s having a claim, and having strong evidence for that claim, and then there’s having a claim that has been denied as fact by the creator, and only having very little proof and the rest be speculation
Well, once a woman took her excuse for getting pregnant out of marriage so serious that it became an entire religion
And when the kid was born 3 men from distant lands came bringing gifts 🤔
He went to get the blue milk
Even as a child watching this movie for the very first time- I just figured she was raped. Because ya know, *slavery.*