Hello David, As a former Recovery crew member on M-88's for Ordnance. The 4-ton Auxiliary had two purposes. First, if the need was for a light recovery such as a stuck truck and such. the cable would be played out in either single line (4-ton), or on a snatch block to double/triple ones recovery tonnage. Second, and most importantly, the Aux-winch cable was played out to the vehicle to be recovered, threaded through a large snatch block and back to the M-74's front. It was then attached too, and used to play out the main winch cable which in itself is beastly heavy. this eased the burden on the crew in that only one/two persons were needed to hook up the main cable. The cable was attached to the Dozer/Earth anchor blade clevis making it much easier to access. edited: my spelling is still utter rubbish.
That makes a lot more sense. Was going to say surely it’s there as some sort of extra recovery option and the fact it’s clipped to the blade is just a convenient way to stow it.
Could the blade be used with any of the winches to raise one side of a vehicle that got stuck by straddling an obstacle in a manner that allowed the rescued AFV to back itself off the obstacle on the single ground connected track?
Cool! That part of the segment made my brain itch, I just figured there was more to it. I'm in facility maintenance and sometimes do light vehicle recovery and secure items for shipping. Dealing with heavy chain for the first time was a real eye opener, the fact the winch was there to assist with the main line is really cool.
"The Americans built it and called it a tank recovery vehicle but that doesn't matter it's a recovery vehicle, and it's a bit tatty." - David Fletcher. Words of wisdom folks.
We had gotten a boat, a rowing boat called tatty tub cause this Gig M4x was at arrival or day 1 and brand new already tatty and quite the opposite of expect. When looking for a name it was obvious that tatty tub would the first choice
well was a person who speaks English im wondering what tatty means j/k of course I better add this because its hard to get nuance and meaning from text lol
In the meantime check out the American Heritage Museum in Massachusetts U.S.A. After his death, most of the Jacques Littlefield collection went there including his Panther which was pulled out of a river in Poland 🇵🇱. They have some amazing armor... ww1 up to present. Check them out online too. 🍻
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 I have relatives in Boston. I'm visiting them later this year, hopefully. That museum is at the tip of my list of places to explore. Looks to be tops! Cheers from Ireland Jerry!
It's really great that Mr. Fletcher spends time on these unglamorous vehicles. Tank columns do not move and fight without these workhorses. Damaged tanks get left on the field and are lost to the enemy. They are an integral part of tank warfare.
Another use for the auxiliary winch... run the smaller winch cable out to the stuck vehicle, hook a snatchblock to stuck vehicle and run the winch through it, then back to the ARV. You then use the small winch to pull the bigger and heavier cables to the stuck vehicle.
@@kyle857 The Yanks had plenty of tanks in use in Vietnam. The Aussie Army even had a Squadron of Centurions in country, where they came in handy during the battles for Fire Bases Coral and Balmoral.
Thanks for covering this, I was an Artillery mechanic and this was one of our jobs to do as well during the 80's and 90's, more to an army than fighting.
I'm strictly a WWII armor guy. But I spotted that Sherman under all that "tat" as you Brits say and now I'm thinking maybe Korea is due for a good looking at. Thanx David!
I saw some trucks from Montgomery's caravan at Duxford and it was more interesting than any plane. He had a convoy of trucks acting as his mobile HQ in Europe. With map trucks, radios trucks, runners in jeeps. All jetting around the rear lines dodging planes and the fighting to plan the whole thing.
As an old soldier, I suspect that the extra winch, for the front blade, was to assist with attaching the blade to the chassis and the hydraulic cylinders. If you can find a manual for the TRV, it will probably show the sequence. Another interesting video. Thanks. Good Luck, Rick
I honestly believe it is hooked to the blade so it is easy to reach. And the purpose of it is simply a handy winch that doesn’t have a cable as thick as your wrist. One very useful task it can do is to tie to a load hanging on the main jib. This gives an easy way to move it nearer to you for stability and stops it swinging when you are moving. (Imagine how handy it would be for lining up bolt holes on another tank) Worth noting that it doesn’t self reeve even though you can pull sideways over the rollers. So a really useful winch for popping trucks out of ditches, but you have to keep an eye on it so that the rope doesn’t bind up on one side of the drum.
@@teamidris I remember the arguments of the old timers who didn't trust hydraulics. That was why you could still buy bulldozers with cable systems up to around 1960. Chances are that they had many uses. As a combat engineer, we field rigged many ways to solve problems. Even had to use the front of a 5 ton truck with its winch and a boom made from M4T6 bridge parts. Good Luck, Rick
@@richardross7219 I built ratquadcrane a few years back, which is an 850cc 4x4 diesel farm bike with and EBay floor crane on the back. It has been very handy. I popped on a home-made 4-in-1 bucket on the front which is electric winch lifted. It isn’t a good solution over a ram :D but you get a radio remote bucket.
@@teamidris Exactly what I was thinking. There's no way that they put a winch just to use the blade. The mounting point on the blade is just to make it easy to get to from the ground. I would imagine that winch had several uses.
@@cammobunker Plus, we actually did that. Had a foot length of 1” hydraulic hose on the bull bar with a ring on the end for the big yellow hook. (Sort of robbed from Australian guys)
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it's most likely that lifting the dozer blade with the auxiliary winch was only done in case of a failure of the blade hydraulics, and the reason for photos of it with the cable on the blade was that it was a place to stow the cable so it was easy to access.
The auxiliary winch tags through the bulldozer blade was used actually to set the depth of the blade as far as cutting into the ground we use these quite a bit in Korea when we were making roads and improve an airfields
Wow, totally love the current state this ARV is in!! With all the weathering it looks as if it just got plucked off the battlefield!! I hope they leave it like that; to me it looks much more 'alive' than a fully restored vehicle with a fresh paint job. Just imagine this monster passing by engulfed in thick smoke from its engines...!!
I have never worked on tanks (thank God) but with experience in industrial maintenance I can tell you that there are times where you never have enough winches. That 3rd winch is placed great for assisting in removing and replacing power packs instead of having to move the entire ARV, and I believe that is what it is there for, with the added bonus that when it isn't in use it can support the dozer blade and take stress off the hydraulics. Also if the hydraulics should fail it will keep the blade from slamming down which could get awkward if you are driving down the road at 30 mph.
When my unit was toodling around Hoenfels training area in late '82, or early '83, I saw a half dozen or so of the earlier versions sitting in a motor pool. I wonder what became of them?
I don't think the aux winch was necessarily used to lift the dozer blade. It's just that there was an attachment point for the auxiliary winch clevis on the dozer blade. That is a convenient location far forward to mount it to, so you have the clevis handy whenever you want to use that winch.
That extra winch on the bulldozer blade was to set the depth of the blade when it was pushing dirt the hydraulic control tended to leak down quite a lot that's why it has the manual control
I'd speculate that the auxiliary winch is for adding a second axis of movement for lifts with the boom winch in case they had to lift a turret or power pack on uneven ground for some reason. In such a situation the auxiliary winch might be useful to keep the load from swinging and banging into things and causing damage in the process.
I agree, they wont have any in/out movement on the A frame as it just supports the main winch when lifting so they would need another winch to keep the load from winging plus it could be used for light vehicle recovery rather than bugger about with the main winch
02:50 shows this ARV lifting an Alvis Saracen out of mud. Now this may have been just an exercise. but according to a letter in a 'Vintage Roadscene' magazine from a decade ago the Saracen could bog down in a puddle in the middle of a playing field. The Alvis 6 wheelers have a reputation for being both wonder vehicles in the rough; and also breakdown nightmares. That magazine letter made me wonder it the whole Alvis family were just good looking liars.
The set up is very similar to the ‘modern’ M88A1/2 currently in service (boom, winch etc). The M88A2 has an aux winch and I have only used it to pull the main winch out as the main winch isn’t powered out. I would be very interested in having a look around as there may be more similarities with the 88 that would be better explained than by viewing pictures.
M74 Lifting A Frame looks pretty sturdy 👌🏻😎 …. Amazing the Winches are Hydraulic , the winch wire to the blade/winch spade at the front will be for securing the winch wire and security for the blade, the winch will be for recovery or self recovery …. JMO
Actually a limited number of these were used by the army transport division and the Vietnam war to recover vehicles damaged or destroyed on highway 1 on the runs from Saigon to Hanoi
I think the idea of the auxiliary winch is that when you embed the blade in the dirt to anchor the recovery vehicle to winch out a heavy tank, the hydraulics might be a bit Insufficient to raise the blade, ergo the winch.
On what USED to be The History Channel. Some M4s were sold after the war to private firms, minus the guns of course. Once in a while you'll see Deuce-and-a-halfs with cranes on them too.
i wonder if that dozer blade, you said it has hydraulics, but maybe they were designed to only really be usable at the lower positions? perhaps the winch is needed to lift it up and out of its normal use angles to that stow position. and at the front, it would probably be useful for small jobs not worth rigging the heavy stuff for? 4 tons would get a jeep out. probably a mildly stuck truck too. the pictures of it traveling while still attached, maybe it was considered faster to have it rigged to the winch most of the time along with whatever locking device is there? it would also put the end of cable for that small winch at a place that makes it a snap to get for other quick jobs.
Have you all got a M578 and a M88? I wish you would show and tell those. Those were the vehicles that I operated in my National Guard unit, well that’s just a couple of vehicles that I operated.
The Ford V8 engine in this vehicle was interesting as well. It started out as a V12 design that Ford built as a replacement for the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine. In 1940 Ford took a production contract to build Merlins in the USA but they tried to substitute an engine of their own design for the Rolls-Royce engine. They were determined to force the Ford engines acceptance and said it was that or nothing. The Merlin contracts with Ford were canceled and awarded to Packard. Ford was stuck with a design and no customer but when the army came looking for engines to use in the Sherman they cut off four cylinders and took off the supercharger and the V8 for the M4A3 was born. There were V12 versions made and used for developmental tanks, but I don't think any made production.
Could it be that the winch and and dozer blade combination, would be an Excellent ground anchor this would help to extract tanks from deeper locations, and provide additional leverage. This assumes of course that the blad is some what detatchable
There's certainly plenty of pictures showing the winch cable attached to the dozer-blade, but that's a good place to hold the end of the cable so you can get at it. And if it was being used to control the blade, the bottom front doesn't make much sense. There must be a manual somewhere, and without one the only thing any of us can do is guess.
Isn’t the main point if the blade to provide extra grip when using the winch? And couldn’t the auxiliary winch also be used to help pull out the main winch cable?
I've seen a restored sherman recovery vehicle that was used on the Normandy beaches. Wasn't fitted with a jib though, just a winch and a pushing block at the front
It carries a crew of 5 - a driver, a lap gunner, but who were the others? I’m guessing a commander, a radio operator (?) but I can’t think who the 5th might be. I imagine this machine doesn’t need a gunner or loader.
Mechanics. This vehicle is just a tool for mechanics to recover broken down vehicles and have the heavy lift required for repairing them. In the Canadian and British army these are used by Electrical and Mechanical engineer troops either integral to armoured units or in support of them.
A driver, who is also a mechanic. A lap gunner, who is also a mechanic. A commander, who is also a mechanic. A radio operator, who is also a mechanic. And a flunky, who is also a mechanic.
Fury is a Canadian M4A2E8, postwar vehicle. That's why it looks wrong in the movie. They tried to cover it up with all the stowage on the engine deck but the whole rear of the hull is different too. And the tracks it wears are also postwar.
Would have been hilarious to have a former Wehrmacht tanker be given a Sherman when the Bundeswehr was being created. Mein Got, this time I have to sit in it?
Chapmaster, correct but the ARV wasnt the only Sherman based vehicle in Bundeswehr service, they used also the M7 Priest 105mm Panzerhaubitze, when i was in Base training in 79 we used a Training area near a Arty Garrison and in middle of the Training ground in Nordoe stand a old hard Target it was a sherman based M7 Priest Howitzer , we climb often in it during resting time.
@@JohnyG29 You'd be surprised how many Nazi's made it into the Bundeswehr. Even former generals. ruclips.net/video/jqH6rmN5MsE/видео.html And that's just the heads of the Bundeswehr.
@@Sturminfantrist Not that surprising though. A lot of European armies got equipped fairly cheaply with US handmedowns or junk (M47 Patton, F-104 Starfighter) that the US didn't want.
Hello David, As a former Recovery crew member on M-88's for Ordnance. The 4-ton Auxiliary had two purposes. First, if the need was for a light recovery such as a stuck truck and such. the cable would be played out in either single line (4-ton), or on a snatch block to double/triple ones recovery tonnage. Second, and most importantly, the Aux-winch cable was played out to the vehicle to be recovered, threaded through a large snatch block and back to the M-74's front. It was then attached too, and used to play out the main winch cable which in itself is beastly heavy. this eased the burden on the crew in that only one/two persons were needed to hook up the main cable. The cable was attached to the Dozer/Earth anchor blade clevis making it much easier to access.
edited: my spelling is still utter rubbish.
That makes a lot more sense. Was going to say surely it’s there as some sort of extra recovery option and the fact it’s clipped to the blade is just a convenient way to stow it.
Correct! same principle is applied on modern recovery vehicles
Could the blade be used with any of the winches to raise one side of a vehicle that got stuck by straddling an obstacle in a manner that allowed the rescued AFV to back itself off the obstacle on the single ground connected track?
Cool! That part of the segment made my brain itch, I just figured there was more to it. I'm in facility maintenance and sometimes do light vehicle recovery and secure items for shipping. Dealing with heavy chain for the first time was a real eye opener, the fact the winch was there to assist with the main line is really cool.
@@ColdBrewLobster It saved a lot of heart ache when the distance to the recovered vehicle might be say, 25 meters or so through heavy mud.
"The Americans built it and called it a tank recovery vehicle but that doesn't matter it's a recovery vehicle, and it's a bit tatty." - David Fletcher. Words of wisdom folks.
We had gotten a boat, a rowing boat called tatty tub cause this Gig M4x was at arrival or day 1 and brand new already tatty and quite the opposite of expect. When looking for a name it was obvious that tatty tub would the first choice
Tatty, just like most modelmakers prefer to make them.
Cuts through the silliness of the names to look at attributes!
well was a person who speaks English im wondering what tatty means
j/k of course I better add this because its hard to get nuance and meaning from text lol
@@mikepette4422 potato
I cant wait till restrictions are lifted and I finally get to visit the Bovington Tank museum.
Yeah same
In the meantime check out the American Heritage Museum in Massachusetts U.S.A.
After his death, most of the Jacques Littlefield collection went there including his Panther which was pulled out of a river in Poland 🇵🇱.
They have some amazing armor... ww1 up to present.
Check them out online too.
🍻
Amen to that.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 i hate certain ethnicities
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 I have relatives in Boston. I'm visiting them later this year, hopefully. That museum is at the tip of my list of places to explore. Looks to be tops!
Cheers from Ireland Jerry!
It's really great that Mr. Fletcher spends time on these unglamorous vehicles. Tank columns do not move and fight without these workhorses. Damaged tanks get left on the field and are lost to the enemy. They are an integral part of tank warfare.
Another use for the auxiliary winch... run the smaller winch cable out to the stuck vehicle, hook a snatchblock to stuck vehicle and run the winch through it, then back to the ARV. You then use the small winch to pull the bigger and heavier cables to the stuck vehicle.
Still a task we do now with winch rope
The four people who disliked this video are still waiting for their tank to be recovered.
They must not have the case of beer for the recovery crew yet.
Probably Germans. They wish they had captured more of these but they couldn’t because they were retreating.
@@bryangrote8781 what part of post ww2 design didn't you comperhend? ;)
They the ones supposed to dust this tank
Recovering a vehicle when it's about 100km behind enemy lines is easier said than done
These recovery vehicles are underrated.
But they are indeed very useful and interesting!
Thank you!
My dad's best friend had a tank recovery vehicle in Vietnam. That didn't last long. Not enough tanks in use.
@@kyle857 probs became more of a truck/jeep recovery vehicle if not that probs helping fix the huey's.
@@kyle857 The Yanks had plenty of tanks in use in Vietnam. The Aussie Army even had a Squadron of Centurions in country, where they came in handy during the battles for Fire Bases Coral and Balmoral.
Thanks for covering this, I was an Artillery mechanic and this was one of our jobs to do as well during the 80's and 90's, more to an army than fighting.
I'm strictly a WWII armor guy. But I spotted that Sherman under all that "tat" as you Brits say and now I'm thinking maybe Korea is due for a good looking at. Thanx David!
Good luck with your new project Bill 👍
Hey Bill... check out the Israeli
M50/M51 Super Sherman!
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@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 thanx.
Looks like my models when I go a bit over the top with the weathering powders :)
Thats the best thing about weathering armour ,you can't go over the top! the real things really do get that filthy! lol
Recovery vehicles and logistics vehicles/ships don't get anywhere near the attention and love they deserve. Thank you for making this!
I saw some trucks from Montgomery's caravan at Duxford and it was more interesting than any plane.
He had a convoy of trucks acting as his mobile HQ in Europe. With map trucks, radios trucks, runners in jeeps. All jetting around the rear lines dodging planes and the fighting to plan the whole thing.
This Sherman may be less glamorous than the fighting Shermans, but it's just as important. Good video.
"Less glamorous" maybe, but more interesting. I would put this aside "the funnies", the Crab, bridge layer and amphibious versions, to name a few.
Fantastic! The man with the ‘Tache’ is back😀
You mean the all-knowing moustache, and it's designated carrier?
As an old soldier, I suspect that the extra winch, for the front blade, was to assist with attaching the blade to the chassis and the hydraulic cylinders. If you can find a manual for the TRV, it will probably show the sequence. Another interesting video. Thanks. Good Luck, Rick
I honestly believe it is hooked to the blade so it is easy to reach. And the purpose of it is simply a handy winch that doesn’t have a cable as thick as your wrist. One very useful task it can do is to tie to a load hanging on the main jib. This gives an easy way to move it nearer to you for stability and stops it swinging when you are moving. (Imagine how handy it would be for lining up bolt holes on another tank) Worth noting that it doesn’t self reeve even though you can pull sideways over the rollers. So a really useful winch for popping trucks out of ditches, but you have to keep an eye on it so that the rope doesn’t bind up on one side of the drum.
@@teamidris I remember the arguments of the old timers who didn't trust hydraulics. That was why you could still buy bulldozers with cable systems up to around 1960. Chances are that they had many uses. As a combat engineer, we field rigged many ways to solve problems. Even had to use the front of a 5 ton truck with its winch and a boom made from M4T6 bridge parts. Good Luck, Rick
@@richardross7219 I built ratquadcrane a few years back, which is an 850cc 4x4 diesel farm bike with and EBay floor crane on the back. It has been very handy. I popped on a home-made 4-in-1 bucket on the front which is electric winch lifted. It isn’t a good solution over a ram :D but you get a radio remote bucket.
@@teamidris Exactly what I was thinking. There's no way that they put a winch just to use the blade. The mounting point on the blade is just to make it easy to get to from the ground. I would imagine that winch had several uses.
@@cammobunker Plus, we actually did that. Had a foot length of 1” hydraulic hose on the bull bar with a ring on the end for the big yellow hook. (Sort of robbed from Australian guys)
Thank you David - again. Another exceptional, informative chat.
David Fletcher is an absolute legend ! Learned a lot from his videos. I wish i had teachers like him back in school !
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It is after all automatic for the human mind to reject negativity. To better that is to ask "Please remember to Subscribe" since the ask leaves one open to positive choice of their own & not left feeling like they were "told" to do something. Please forgive me, I only wish for the success of this channel.
A new video is always a pleasant surprise.
glad to see the ol codger back.. missed him tons
it's most likely that lifting the dozer blade with the auxiliary winch was only done in case of a failure of the blade hydraulics, and the reason for photos of it with the cable on the blade was that it was a place to stow the cable so it was easy to access.
This young fellow is by far the best narrator on the tank chats channel.
That M74 was quite a vehicle. Great job explaining it’s purpose and capabilities.
The blade at the front is called a spade and is primarily used when recovering stuck tanks with the big winch.
The auxiliary winch tags through the bulldozer blade was used actually to set the depth of the blade as far as cutting into the ground we use these quite a bit in Korea when we were making roads and improve an airfields
Wow, totally love the current state this ARV is in!! With all the weathering it looks as if it just got plucked off the battlefield!! I hope they leave it like that; to me it looks much more 'alive' than a fully restored vehicle with a fresh paint job. Just imagine this monster passing by engulfed in thick smoke from its engines...!!
Never seen this one. What a cool conversion.
Thank you.
One of my favourite tanks, it’s great to see a video on it
I have never worked on tanks (thank God) but with experience in industrial maintenance I can tell you that there are times where you never have enough winches. That 3rd winch is placed great for assisting in removing and replacing power packs instead of having to move the entire ARV, and I believe that is what it is there for, with the added bonus that when it isn't in use it can support the dozer blade and take stress off the hydraulics. Also if the hydraulics should fail it will keep the blade from slamming down which could get awkward if you are driving down the road at 30 mph.
When my unit was toodling around Hoenfels training area in late '82, or early '83, I saw a half dozen or so of the earlier versions sitting in a motor pool. I wonder what became of them?
I drove a friend's M32B3E8 once. Quite fun.
Happy to see you saving this machine. It does need a bit of a buff and wax.
I have never heard or seen this vehicle before! Great video! 👍👍
I don't think the aux winch was necessarily used to lift the dozer blade. It's just that there was an attachment point for the auxiliary winch clevis on the dozer blade. That is a convenient location far forward to mount it to, so you have the clevis handy whenever you want to use that winch.
That extra winch on the bulldozer blade was to set the depth of the blade when it was pushing dirt the hydraulic control tended to leak down quite a lot that's why it has the manual control
I'd speculate that the auxiliary winch is for adding a second axis of movement for lifts with the boom winch in case they had to lift a turret or power pack on uneven ground for some reason.
In such a situation the auxiliary winch might be useful to keep the load from swinging and banging into things and causing damage in the process.
I agree, they wont have any in/out movement on the A frame as it just supports the main winch when lifting so they would need another winch to keep the load from winging plus it could be used for light vehicle recovery rather than bugger about with the main winch
Yup, half a mile of cable and some pretty meaty fairleads are not what I'd expect to see for something used for raising a blade 5' directly below.
02:50 shows this ARV lifting an Alvis Saracen out of mud. Now this may have been just an exercise. but according to a letter in a 'Vintage Roadscene' magazine from a decade ago the Saracen could bog down in a puddle in the middle of a playing field. The Alvis 6 wheelers have a reputation for being both wonder vehicles in the rough; and also breakdown nightmares. That magazine letter made me wonder it the whole Alvis family were just good looking liars.
M4s it was so great they made into everything.
I'd love to see this running and re-painted.
We had a Leopard 1 ARV in our workshop company. The thing did 80 km/h while towing an M113.
Probably the fastest that M113 ever went.
The set up is very similar to the ‘modern’ M88A1/2 currently in service (boom, winch etc). The M88A2 has an aux winch and I have only used it to pull the main winch out as the main winch isn’t powered out. I would be very interested in having a look around as there may be more similarities with the 88 that would be better explained than by viewing pictures.
That actually sounds like a plausible use for the auxiliary winch.
"It's also very tatty, but try not to notice that!" - wise advice for most situations in life!
M74 Lifting A Frame looks pretty sturdy 👌🏻😎 …. Amazing the Winches are Hydraulic , the winch wire to the blade/winch spade at the front will be for securing the winch wire and security for the blade, the winch will be for recovery or self recovery …. JMO
Built a fantastic Aliteri 1/35 kit years ago, that and their Katyusha and Dodge Ambulance were very interesting amongst the others I built
Meant to say that the kit was of that ARV
After 18 seconds: "Please add more about these fascinating vehicles!!"
Actually a limited number of these were used by the army transport division and the Vietnam war to recover vehicles damaged or destroyed on highway 1 on the runs from Saigon to Hanoi
Great stuff. Keep them coming please!
I want one to use on my farm!
Than You for yours videos! Greetings from Parola. I spend sometime in Panssari Prikaati. Tank Brikade.
Fascinating as always I've always been interested in recovery and engineering vehicles
Thanks.
Thanks for a great video. I want to see more video about ARV. I liked the videos about the funnies.
Need something like this to get those WW2 tanks pulled out of the New Forest and get them some where.
I think the idea of the auxiliary winch is that when you embed the blade in the dirt to anchor the recovery vehicle to winch out a heavy tank, the hydraulics might be a bit Insufficient to raise the blade, ergo the winch.
The auxillary winch might have been used for items added to the vehicle to preform a different task, like a mine roller or plow.
I think I've seen a modified version of this on a TV show about American logging outfits in the US. It was hoisting logs up the side of a mountain.
On what USED to be The History Channel. Some M4s were sold after the war to private firms, minus the guns of course. Once in a while you'll see Deuce-and-a-halfs with cranes on them too.
that only used the hull, and mounted a purpose built logging tower on it.
I would like to see the top 5 vehicles too late for WW2. Great work, thank you.
3:20 german sherman :)
Impressive!
i wonder if that dozer blade, you said it has hydraulics, but maybe they were designed to only really be usable at the lower positions? perhaps the winch is needed to lift it up and out of its normal use angles to that stow position. and at the front, it would probably be useful for small jobs not worth rigging the heavy stuff for? 4 tons would get a jeep out. probably a mildly stuck truck too.
the pictures of it traveling while still attached, maybe it was considered faster to have it rigged to the winch most of the time along with whatever locking device is there? it would also put the end of cable for that small winch at a place that makes it a snap to get for other quick jobs.
It'll be two years without the TM in my life before I get back to Dorset😢
Have you all got a M578 and a M88? I wish you would show and tell those. Those were the vehicles that I operated in my National Guard unit, well that’s just a couple of vehicles that I operated.
They have the british equivalents to those, right up to the CHARRV.
I think that third odd winch on the blade is there so you can use the blade as a shovel.
The Ford V8 engine in this vehicle was interesting as well. It started out as a V12 design that Ford built as a replacement for the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine. In 1940 Ford took a production contract to build Merlins in the USA but they tried to substitute an engine of their own design for the Rolls-Royce engine. They were determined to force the Ford engines acceptance and said it was that or nothing. The Merlin contracts with Ford were canceled and awarded to Packard. Ford was stuck with a design and no customer but when the army came looking for engines to use in the Sherman they cut off four cylinders and took off the supercharger and the V8 for the M4A3 was born. There were V12 versions made and used for developmental tanks, but I don't think any made production.
Also served in numbers with Greek army!
The dozer blade is not hydraulic!
It is only operated by the winch.
Very nice video.
I would like to see the inside from this one..
Hello from Brazil =)
Could it be that the winch and and dozer blade combination, would be an Excellent ground anchor this would help to extract tanks from deeper locations, and provide additional leverage. This assumes of course that the blad is some what detatchable
There's certainly plenty of pictures showing the winch cable attached to the dozer-blade, but that's a good place to hold the end of the cable so you can get at it. And if it was being used to control the blade, the bottom front doesn't make much sense. There must be a manual somewhere, and without one the only thing any of us can do is guess.
"...it has a fifty caliber..."
Because of course it does. It's an American design, ain't it?
If the US military had a hot dog cart in its inventory, you bet a M2 would be bolted onto it
@@alexdemoya2119 undoubtedly.
Footage of this on my Battle Day 1988 video
The "bulldozer blade" looks like a ground anchor, and the top winch looks like it's the main crane winch for the "A" frame?
They would have the auxiliary winch as a backup system incase the hydraulics fail... one needs to keep your blade off the ground to be Mobil
It's a tow truck for tanks is how I used explain the M88 to friends
Bulldozer blade vinch is because hydraulics possible cannot lift enough or liftingpoints has to be separated for some reasons.
3:18 and later on is a german one BERGEPANZER type M74B1 - over 300 were used in the pre Leopard era
What a shame
Same vehicle. Different names.
Isn’t the main point if the blade to provide extra grip when using the winch? And couldn’t the auxiliary winch also be used to help pull out the main winch cable?
This tank has Wall-E strapped to the front.
Venezuela still uses this
How close did things get to combat, I wonder?
Are the crew the people that do the repair work?
There's an awful lot of cable on the auxiliary winch for just lifting the dozer blade.
Not in service with GB. I assume because we were switching over to Centurion based AVRE etc.
Could the winch for the dozer blade be to give it additional power in the event of having to use it for lifting heavy objects?
I think 40 tons is a bit optimistic for the main winch - Chieftain had a great winch but it was only 30 tons.
It probably could do more than 40 in a pinch honestly
I've seen a restored sherman recovery vehicle that was used on the Normandy beaches. Wasn't fitted with a jib though, just a winch and a pushing block at the front
if there is but one last good night ww2 story to be read by my death bead, please make it Sir David Fletcher as the one who is reading it.
It carries a crew of 5 - a driver, a lap gunner, but who were the others? I’m guessing a commander, a radio operator (?) but I can’t think who the 5th might be. I imagine this machine doesn’t need a gunner or loader.
Mechanics. This vehicle is just a tool for mechanics to recover broken down vehicles and have the heavy lift required for repairing them. In the Canadian and British army these are used by Electrical and Mechanical engineer troops either integral to armoured units or in support of them.
A driver, who is also a mechanic.
A lap gunner, who is also a mechanic.
A commander, who is also a mechanic.
A radio operator, who is also a mechanic.
And a flunky, who is also a mechanic.
Why the winch got the blade? So you still drive the tank back to a safe area even if your hydraulics fail.
"Its quite well armed for a recovery vehicle," Well, it is an American recovery vehicle...
Is Fury not there anymore? I could swear it's an M4A3(E8)
Fury is a Canadian M4A2E8, postwar vehicle. That's why it looks wrong in the movie. They tried to cover it up with all the stowage on the engine deck but the whole rear of the hull is different too. And the tracks it wears are also postwar.
What was the tank behind it i want to know.
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So is this a modified sherman or built like this completely new?
Its a ww2 tank modified in the early 50ties.
when did he start doing these sober? (yaaaawn)
"... it's also very tatty, but try not to notice that." :D
A lot of the same ideas used for the M88
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Would have been hilarious to have a former Wehrmacht tanker be given a Sherman when the Bundeswehr was being created. Mein Got, this time I have to sit in it?
I think any Nazis would have been too old by the time West Germany was allowed to have its own army by the occupying powers (1955 i think).
@@JohnyG29 nope! many officiers and NCO`s of the new founded Bundeswehr served in the Wehrmacht before.
Chapmaster, correct but the ARV wasnt the only Sherman based vehicle in Bundeswehr service, they used also the M7 Priest 105mm Panzerhaubitze, when i was in Base training in 79 we used a Training area near a Arty Garrison and in middle of the Training ground in Nordoe stand a old hard Target it was a sherman based M7 Priest Howitzer , we climb often in it during resting time.
@@JohnyG29 You'd be surprised how many Nazi's made it into the Bundeswehr. Even former generals.
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And that's just the heads of the Bundeswehr.
@@Sturminfantrist Not that surprising though. A lot of European armies got equipped fairly cheaply with US handmedowns or junk (M47 Patton, F-104 Starfighter) that the US didn't want.
Or tank chat on T-18 armored car
It's an ugly little brute, but God loves all his tanks.