Cool Tricks for Triggers - How to Record Heavy Drums 3 | SpectreSoundStudios TUTORIAL
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Responding to the deluge of questions about why the hell I have a trigger on my snare!
as a bass player, i find your bassist jokes absolutely hilarious. i don't get why people are getting so butt-hurt about it
Gregory Thompson because usually the people who gets butt-hurt are those who know that they are being described or called out
Me too ! I wear a drool bib..
Samples do suck! 😁
The amount of knowledge I'm incapable of grasping due to only playing a four stringed instrument is astounding! :p
Steve C I play one with 2 more strings, still didn't understand everything.
Steve C I have an instrumet wich look something like that, but I only play 2 strings...How much it'ss 2+2 again?
"Triggers have their uses, but samples still suck." - Quote of the episode. Yet ANOTHER great video man. PLEASE keep this up. You're very slowly kindling what I thought was a VERY dead fire in my heart for producing. Thank you again.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you!
You saved my mix for my exam. The high-hat was bleeding all over the snare, and a gate did not work. So I made a "trigger-track" where I duplicated the snare and isolated the frequency of the snare and side chained it to the real snare track.
It works better with a real trigger, and saves a lot of grief :)
SpectreSoundStudios Yes i can imagine!
+Sverre Sandvik if its that bad i think you might have an issue at the recording phase.
if the hi hats are too close to the snare, MOVE THE HI HATS
and reposition your mics.
I do this on all of my mixes. Sidechaining is the only way I gate drums, especially when the mix is very dynamic. Takes some fiddling around but generally works much better than a gate alone.
that's a very cool trick! Thanks man! :)
***** Didn't know you watched this channel too, your covers are great!
You're very welcome! Hopefully you can get some use out of it!
Make sure:
-Trigger is sent only to real track
-Trigger is routed 1/2 - 3/4
-Trigger is *Pre-fader*
-Trigger fader is down all the way
you can also not send the trigger to the master
I'm nowhere near at the level of recording in many of the videos you show, but I still enjoy and learn from all the videos you put out. Just wanted to say thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Garrett Ferguson I'm in that exact same boat as you dude! but I love the idea of this technique for sure! xD
I dint know why people are constantly fighting with you on these issues... you're the expert and from what I can hear all of your recordings back up everything you're saying.. All very crisp and clean. Jeep up the amazing work Glenn
Not often this happens my man... first time playing a vid of yours as I just stumbled upon your channel. and straight away 10 seconds in subscribed.. right off the bat i can tell you are a good presenter.. talent my bro.
dude...i just started watching your videos a while back and honestly they are one of the best i've ever seen.....your stuff is always spot on and i've already recommended your recording tutorials to all my friends.....of which all those who have seen your work did not have a single negative view....your sense of humor is pretty awesome and your videos are highly constructive....hats off to you sir...and keep 'em coming...
I really enjoy your videos for multiple reasons. But THIS little trick was (at least for me) by far the coolest piece of know-how you've given us so far. I finally found something useful to do with my old triggers apart from catching dust in the rehearsal space! THANKS! ;-)
Hey dude. great video as always! I took the idea of sidechaining a gate on the snare, but sent it to the room mics so when the snare hits, the room mics came in. It fixed my weak ass snare sound and turned it into a powerful monster. Thanks SpectreSoundStudios for making me less shit at mixing.
Man this is HUGE. I mean it. Never thought about triggers this way, extremely interesting!
I love the sound of Ted Parson's drums in the albums he did with Prong. I'm told that effect is acquired with a gate and compressor? The specific Prong albums I'm referring to are "Beg to Differ", and "Prove You Wrong".
Glad there are gates out there that have a "look ahead" feature! Otherwise this would be a must use approach... appreciate the cool trick!
even though i am at the moment limited to samples due to certain constraints. after watching your videos and alex rudinger playthroughs i am so looking forward to working with real drums. thankyou for these awesome videos and your channel is my current favorite channel pertaining to mixing.
Thanks for watching!
I never knew Andy used that idea way back in the day, simple when you've figured it out eh? I think I played on one of his first demo recordings of a band we were once in, on some mesh head drums he bought, when he first started working with samples and triggers etc. I remember how clean the drums sounded 👍👍👍
I've been using this trick live for bout 30 years. I have my own drum rack with a 16-channel mixer, Valley People 4-channel gates and a few dbx 166A's and 166X's and it works beautifully live. When I got into recording, I had already been doing it live so i just applied it to my recordings and people were freaking out that I was getting this amazing drum sound on a shitty old Fostex A4 1/4" 8-track (It only had 4 inputs, so you could only record 4-tracks at once. Totally sucked balls, but for $400 for an 8-track R2R that actually worked, I couldn't complain.)
Really cool trick there!!!
Thanks!!!!
Side chaining is a great thing to do... i used to fatten my kick drum side chaining a copy of the kick track to a gate that opens and releases a really low sin wave!
Whenever someone uses drum triggers for drum replacement, Glenn gets T R I G G E R E D
Glenn, after being around for awhile I would like to say I really appreciate and enjoy your content! As a drooling bass player myself I find all these jokes funny and the information you give is clear, concise, and explicit, yet short and to the point. I like that. Thanks again, and keep the humor coming!
what a piece of wisdom, Glenn!
greetings from Chile
That time manipulation trick is awesome, I would've never though to do that. It's nice to see Reaper in a larger studio. I've used every DAW under the sun but Reaper is by far my favorite
"It cuts down on the fuckery, letting you spend your time on much more important things...like cleaning up the bass player's drool." Hahahahahah fookin' LOVE it!
Oh man, I just spent several hours doing crazy automation on some drum tracks--the bleed on the toms and the snares (top/bottom) was really bad, and took a lot of work to automate out. I can't wait to get my hands on some triggers so I can do this instead on the next recording. Thanks for posting!
Great vid. I hate samples myself as well. So what I did was I sampled my own kick drums in the studio when I was recording my CD and use those samples for live shows. I uploaded them on the Roland spx...
I have 24x18 Signia kick drums. and yes, I sampled both of them. :-)
This is such a great technique, thanks so much for sharing! I've always had such a headache managing the bleed, I can't believe I hadn't thought of doing this before.
Good stuff, recently started 'avidly' checking this channel. Stoked for what you've got in store for the kick drum video!
Smart! That's what the sidechain input on ReaGate and the Trackchannels on REAPER are for! Also do this with Guitar DI and Guitar amp (of course you probably already did a video on that, I should check)
I was trying to prove a point to my drummer and didn’t realize how much weight you’ve lost. Good for you glenn!
I never thought you could use a trigger for this purpose, thank you for opening my mind, keep up the awesome work :)
Side chaining is really cool especially with a compressor/limiter.
great video!
That's a really cool idea! Definitely going to have to try it out!
Keep up these Awesome drum recording tricks they are very usefull!
Once I heard that a snare sample was used on Slayer's "Reign In Blood" album it became a non-issue... in fact maybe I should be using a sample too. RIB is my all time #1 metal album and I had no idea for DECADES that they used a snare sample. Just proves again whatever works... works. Good video though.
Simple but really effective! Thank's for this!
thanks for the tips, it can be usefull to control the opening of a noise gate.
I've been picking up so much valuable tips, thanks for making this series it's been so helpful Glenn!
What a genius application. Cheers Glenn :).
Thats pretty cool. Im gonna have to try that with the KTDrumTrigger plugin on a snare track. Cheers glenn
Love your videos man they really make my day!
Great tip ! I would have never thought of using my triggers for this.
This was so bloody helpful! Thanks!
Very useful , thanks Glenn.
This is an awesome tip, I'll have to give it a try. I'm not sure if cubase has a similar function, but I do have Reaper as well.
You can use it on cubase. Just set your gate's sidechain to your trigger track.
That was actually very informative! Thanks Glenn!
you can achieve the same effect without triggers (i.e. when you get drum tracks recorded somewhere else and you're only there to mix). Duplicate the snare/base drum/whatever track and put some band pass EQ centered around transient frequency. Then put an aggressive noise gate on it, so that only a short snap of attack passes through. Use compression to have flat dynamics across the track (more or less). If you tweak things right you get a series of disfigured, irritating, useless hits. Then put some cheap-ass freeware audio-to-midi VST. With sound processed as I said it should be easy to adjust it to get a MIDI event every time the drum is hit and no false triggers in between. Bypass the audio on this track, align it few ms left, feed MIDI to sidechain of the noise gate on your main drum track and voila!
Man I've been waiting for this for months!
Cool video man, absolutely love your channel!
Big Mick Hughes uses this technique on the drums with Metallica if I'm not mistaken. I saw an interview of him talking about using triggers to open up the gates on the drums.
Love the trigger trick.
Great video! Would love to try this in a live situation!! Your experiences remind me when I made videos about live sound and all the cannon 5D/zoom h4 patrol came out to tell me I had no idea and they knew more.... *facepalm*
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the badass shirt this man is wearing?
"Cuts down on the fuckery!!!!" Hahahah a love that comment. Great tip too! Thanks very much for sharing.
I've been really happy about the results I've got from this method over the past several years but it seems like such a waste to have to use all that raw audio just to activate a gate. I really wish there was an easy way to have the drum trigger make a midi-note and record that live with the drums - then use that midi-note to trigger a gate. It feels like I'm wasting processing power, time to load a project and disk space. Not to mention up to 6 line-ins just for triggers (ugh). Any thoughts on this Glenn? Don't you think that would be a great idea if we could just record to midi and use that to open gates? Sure you'd have to do just a little tweaking to make sure you weren't getting misfires while also not missing a note, but that really would be almost fool-proof with a large range you could set the threshold to that would still make it work just fine.
Thank you for such a cool video and knowledge drop! Samples "can" suck, if you don't know how to use them. Ask Thom Yorke about that one. Fidgeting with the attack/release/whatevers in the brain dead BRAAAAINNNNNNNN...
Awesome video Glen!
great explanation from Glenn SpectreSoundStudios
I saw the title and my jaw dropped. Just for a second.
sometimes i'd go to greater lengths by making a snare sample track just to fire up the gate, no need to really get them phase coherent because i don't really use snare reinforcement apart from the ambience
Pure gold!
Very very clever.
That was fucking genious! Maybe that was the original intention when the trigger were created...
Cheers Glenn!
+Daniel Lehwing quite possible, ive seen quite a few hardware gate units that the key input is called "trigger"
The only sample i can relate to would be a kick sample when playing blastbeats, but that,s all...
Hey glen, can you please do a tutorial on how to record with triggers? I presume you can't plug a trigger straight into an audio interface. Do I need a drum module? Show us how please :)
That is such a great idea! How would you go about hooking the trigger up? Would you just connect the trigger directly into your interface as a new channel or do you need something like the ddrumAT, ddrum3 or ddrum4 sound module? Another great video by the way. Thanks in advance for your reply!
Is it better to record your drums on, say.. a wood floor/ solid concrete foundation? It seems every time I try to record my drummer in his jam room (barn which is elevated) there is not enough room for the drums to breathe, and all the sound is being sucked away from the kit. Also, what is an Ideal height of the ceiling? Lastly, when recording in a room, is it better for the drums to be very much away from the wall, or just somewhat away from the wall. The reason why I'm asking is because the overheads sound great, but when it comes to the toms and bass drums they just sound as if all the mics are bleeding into each other and the vibrations from the floor are just sucking the sound away. Thank you and I absolutely love your channel!!!!!
Great stuff! Cheers.
To be fair you don't have to use a DDrum trigger you could just copy the snare drum track to another track bump that back 5ms and use that as your side-chain signal.
I'd love to see you do a tutorial on how to get a more raw drum sound, I.E. Kill Em Hall Hell Awaits type sound
cant wait to try it
If the trigger track is ahead lets say 5ms why is there a 5ms pre-open needed ? That would be a 10ms delta between the gate opening and the snare hit - Assuming the gate opens fast
Pretty nice trick.Do you think that could be used live? I am trying to mix electronic music with metal and something like this would be a life savior if it could be used to sidechain effects with real drums,
Great video. I have never used a drum trigger, and was wondering what exactly is your signal path from the trigger into the box, is it simply just an XLR going direct into your interface?
That's an awesome idea.
Love the channel man. Awesome info. I was wondering do you mic the bottom of the snare?
Nice akira shirt! Great movie
It would be amazing if drum samples had 20/100 variations of the same hit, and they were chosen randomly to be played. It would make samples actually good.
MrGabbo97 Drumagogue can do that and it still sounds like crap. There's literally hundreds of variables between the room mic's picking up slightly different hits to the overheads doing the same. Ever so slightly different tunings when you hit the drum in slightly different spots - which if you simulate that it just sounds like a de-tuner on a snare (like sh**). Not to mention the sound of the rest of the kit bleeding into the snare mic slightly, right on time, right in tune, with slight variations in tone due to position away from the snare mic. Also there's "Breathing" in the room when you play a kick it will cause a chain reaction with the air making it flow heavy for a second which will effect the tone coming through the snare mic for the next split second simply because the pressure in the room has changed drastically temporarily.
This is freakin' genius.
Probably gonna get shit about this but im a bit confused. What exactly does the gate on your snare do. I'm wanting to learn all about this because for one its interesting and two it can help when ever I get my band ready for the studio. I dig the bass player jokes though so keep 'em coming. Thanx
Cool trick! I was wondering when we were gonna find out what the trigger was for :D
Would be cool to do a video to show how to use the DAW to record it
hey, love your videos on recording drums, they are really helpful, I am currently helping some friends in a very basic studio and we are having a lot of trouble recording a 8 string guitar (there 2 of these), can you give any general tips on recording 'extended range' guitar?
I agree, samples suck and should only be used for writing purposes. However, I'd really like to take some sample hits YOU recorded, lead them into a program, white a song, use the samples, then see if you say they suck LOL hahaha. Because you'd be saying your recordings suck. I'm just fuckin with you man. It would still suck because every hit would be the same and it's not a live performance. I know what you mean. Have a good day.
If you don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on triggers, you can make your own using piezo transducers. There are a few videos kicking around on how to do it.
Hey Glen, after the drum series, do you plan on doing a series on mixing in general? I'm having trouble getting clarity and punch out of my mixes, and it sounds at times like everything is fighting to be louder than each other. Specifically, clarity in double tracked guitars. Thanks!
Hey Glenn,
This is an awesome tutorial, thanks for showing. but when speaking about samples and triggers, what is your opinion about mixing live recorded drums and partially mix samples in ?
For example, George Kollias uses triggers to make sure his kit sounds clean when playing around the 250 bpm. And for what I've heard, Tomas Haake used a main kit on his last recordings which was triggered aswell. So they'd mix both the live kit and a triggerd kit, for an even greater sound. I don't like using samples, but can't it be used as an additive effect ?
I'd love to get your feedback on that, and keep up the awesome work :D
Excellent demo.
Also, REAPER! \m/
:)
great video man, also that shirt is fucking awesome.
Alright, you use Reaper. How many custom actions do you have assigned to your keys and how often do you use them? Spill the beans.
What is your view on using a sample on the bass drum alone?
You can't get all those delicate variations of the bass drum as you can on other drums, so why not replace it with a bass drum sample?
Smart as always...
Love it! Gonna have to steal that idea when my instrumental band records next. (yes we record live drums and ZERO samples).
Question though, is it achievable somewhat with using a duplicate of the snare track as a trigger if you don't have a trigger ?
***** You can probably do it through Drumagog.
You'll get the bleed.
***** You probably could, if edited out the tails from snares of the trigger track and set up the gate to react on only snare transients with proper release. But still not sure. gotta try it :D
Yeah I was thinking about going that route as ive already use track envelope automation to decrease extra loud kick and snare hits (and old poorly recorded first attempt by my band which im trying to fix) which worked to a degree and the gate worked better too.
***** Even with a trigger and a really tight release time I've got kick-bleed before. But if you must I'd highly recommend "Fish fillet's" www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem=5 It's a free gate that is extremely simple to use that listens to a frequency. I can even almost get toms to gate perfectly with the right settings without a trigger, but nothing beats a trigger at controlling gates. Nothing.
Just curious as I have never worked with triggers in the past, is the output of the trigger recorded directly, or is the output of a drum module the trigger is plugged into recorded?
+Marcus Wade recorded directly, its a contact mic. and then the gate set to take input from the trigger tracks audio
Diggin' that Death Note shirt.
Question for SMG's viewers comments: what DAW do you mostly use?
This maybe a stupid question, but does the trigger plug into a mic pre or is it hooked to a line input on your interface, just curious and this video series is amazing
mic pre
Thanks for the info
Awesome!!!
When you mentioned using the trigger on the kick, are you using that to sidechain a compressor and duck the bassist or other low end?
Hey, I really like the channel. I haven't explored all of your videos yet, so I'm not sure if this question was asked: what do you think of macs for recording and producing music? also, what daw do you use?
Thanks,
Chris K