Starfleet tactics are simple: prepare for ramming speed. Star Trek 2009: USS Kelvin rams the Nirada Star Trek 2009: Spock rams a ship from the future into the Nirada Star Trek Into Darkness: Khan rams USS Vengeance into San Francisco Star Trek Beyond: Thousands of drones, commanded by ex-starfleet captain Balthazar Edison, ram into USS Enterprise repeatedly Star Trek TOS: Commodore Decker rams a shuttle into unknown starship Star Trek TOS: Captain James T. Kirk rams the USS Constellation into unknown starship Star Trek First Contact: Lt. Cmdr. Worf attempts to ram USS Defiant into a Borg Cube Star Trek Voyager: Captain Janeway rams USS Voyager into an alien lifeform Star Trek Voyager: Captain Janeway rams USS Voyager into an alien lifeform (yes, she did this on two separate occasions) Star Trek Voyager: Captain Janeway rams Krennim Timeship with USS Voyager Star Trek Insurrection: Cmdr. Riker bluffs ramming So'na Particle Collector Star Trek Nemesis: Captain Picard rams USS Enterprise-E into the Scimitar
That's what happens when you power your entire ship with PLASMA. Any power surge, no matter how tiny, means a teaspoon-sized supernova every time you blow a fuse.
Great video! The biggest problem with Starfleet is that it is a single organization that has too many roles. They need to be split into two separate fleets with two different command structures. One fleet should be focused on exploration, scoence, and diplomacy with vessels and crews specialized to that task. The other fleet should be a strictly military organization tasked with defending the Federation and defeating any hostile forces with superior tactics and firepower. The Exploratory Fleet makes first contact and assesses the situation. The Defense Fleet convinces any threats that attacking the Federation is a tragically bad idea.
I don't agree. That would signal a shift of the federation into an empire, generate a warmonger sector with power to takeover the entire thing an add cost due to the various logistic lines. I think they should do four things: 1-Consolidate into less classes. I pick five outside of the purpose made scientific vessels: Nebula and New Orleans as work horses which carry a punch if needed, sovereign as ship of the line, Defiant in high numbers and Luna for exploration. 2-Expand the logistics. More shipyards in core sistems and battlestations disposed in depth to form checkpoints (non frontier ones can be desguised as normal stations). 3-Use these to define a template for tactical and operational procedures, like taskforce templates, multiship tactics, fleet concentration protocols, etc. 4-Create a strategic reserve. Have every inhabited planet and starbase have a wing of defiants manned by locals as garrison, with the option to call them to form defensive fleets in the region. What do you think?
I definitely agree that Starfleet has a huge tendency to build up military units then disband them immediately after the crisis has abated. They are indeed the model of the USA in its military stance. Massive buildups, huge haymaker punches. Then reduce the combat force when not needed. The main advantage of the US/Starfleet is the immediate dedication of all personnel to the war cause as soon as it's needed. Realistically it's very hard to beat a government of that stature because you're always going to get the first hit in but you better be more than ready for that haymaker coming after you right after.
so while starfleet tactics in Discovery appear to be 'Sporadic' you did point to one thing that will become a theme, that being pairs. because generally Starfleet ships are bigger than those of the other powers. where other powers use 'Pack' or 'swarm' Tactics starfleet will consistently operate 'wingman' tactics this is because starfleet officers are better trained and thus commanders are encouraged to exercise initiative within small units compared to more authoritarian command structures. PS. i'd love to collab with you on something like this when you've got the time.
Picard is awesome but he's also full of shit when he said that. A huge leverage of joining the Federation is being protected by a very powerful military force that is Starfleet. If anyone out there is considering doing aggression against the Federation, they have to temper that with the reality of dealing with Starfleet. By all means, the Federation and Starfleet would very much prefer to talk it out with an extended hand as a potential friend. But if all else fails, Starfleet is the Big Stick of the Federation.
Star Fleet thinking (writing) was a reflection of American thinking. The US is a federation with a federal military. Europe is different, we have increasing political union in the EU, but defence is a national competency within NATO.
I agree but they would have needed to know something about trek more than the cage to go on and have talented writers that knew what they was doing. Something they did not have.
You mean like using the experimental Drive System to get enough data to penetrate the cloak? Or using the experimental Drive System to defend key installations and singled out ships? Or deploying minefields around certain secret installations? The klingons were simply the better warriors and had a technological advantage with their (for the time) highly advanced Cloaks. It is no wonder that they defeated any simple tactic employed to counter the cloak. And the Tachyon detecting Grid was still a few centuries out.
@@christopherg2347 That's the thing though Klingons never had cloaking technology until a trade with the Romulans. The Romulans got the d7 while the Klingons got the bird of prey and the cloaking technology much later in tos era long after Enterprise and std.
@@valor1omega They did have cloaking technology. Then it was defeated with a *Sensor Software Patch* and they had no knowledge of the fundamentals of cloaking to improve it (given they had just copied the tech blindly).
@TheMan WhoLaughs maybe you missed the episode in tng when they meet the being that transends into a new species of energy.even the changelings as old of a race as they were or other races in ancient history that had achieved stellar power harness.these beings that many of which died out.or the semi demi gods like q or the one that took out an entire race because they killed his wife trying to be a pacifist.besides the prophets there are very few that turn omnipotent omnipresent or beyond the show shows some insight into this.however wrong they may be if you mix this with star trek,infinity wars,and the simillarian you can learn much that relates in archetypes of noble worth.
Starfleet and the UFP won't ever start a fight, but they will finish it. There will always be Picards and your Siskos, Bashirs and Sloans, defending the Federation in different ways and with different means. And I think that is necessarily one of the most human aspects of the Federation.
at 2:40 when you say "distinct differences" and "generally" I think you're talkin about Sisko. which i say your right his action during the war wasn't SF in action but SF at heart. furthermore If he didn't step over the line there wouldn't be a SF to judge his actions against. He was a leader when SF needed one, someone to make the hard ugly calls that got the job done by any means necessary. A Romulan a criminal and the self respect of one officer save the alpha quadrant.
Federations ships are designed and built to a truly suicidal degree for long duration high speed warp travel. Even during their most militaristic periods, Federation ships feature oversized and unarmoured warp nacelles, antimatter power plants, and often have only single or dual-layer shields. Hell, they use PLASMA CONDUITS (aka. Liquid Artificial Star) to transfer power INSIDE the ship and rely on inertial compensators, artificial gravity, deflector arrays and force fields that reinforce structural integrity just to avoid tearing themselves apart when they MOVE. I also believe it's cannon that the Defiant was FIRST Federation ship able to fire phasers with power directly from the main reactor. Most Federation ships take the unnecessary and seemingly unique step of having phasers run off massive _capacitor banks_ that need to charge between shots. But HAVING those dedicated phaser capacitors means that Federation ships can still fight when critically damaged or even after ejecting their main reactor into space. They also never have to trade top speed for ANYTHING - Any time they're not running the engines at full speed, they can charge the phaser grid and trade stored phaser power instead. For an entity seemingly morally adverse to pre-emptive strikes, the Federation sure seems to have geared itself up for Mutually Assured Destruction.
Well, actually, the Constitution Refit had that, when Decker said that the Enterprise’s Phaser supply was cut off when the Engines went offline when they were in the wormhole in Star Trek: The Motion Picture
I heard a theory about the USA once - that the commander in chief leading up to WW2 realized: The US will *always* be unprepared for any war they enter. The challenge was to quickly adapt to the realities of the war they fought, never being shy to replace commanders that did not perform well in the theather. Starfleet is like that: Never prepared for a war. But damn quick at learning. It is just problematic when the war barely lasts 2 years, giving them not enough time to adapt.
I like your take lore, though I have to ask if the spore drive was such a good technology why didn't they Mount it on every ship like the Enterprise the more well known flagship of the federation? Or later on in ds9 for the defiant? Also why didn't SF know about what the romulans looked like in tos when the Enterprise went against the warbird with the experimental cloaking device? Or why Kirk didn't come access the earlier versions of the bird of prey? Also why didn't tos and TNG era star ship captains not know what the Borg was when Q snapped them into a forced meeting?
You should do an analysis of the Legends Galactic Empire's Imperial Navy. I think both doctrinally and ideologically they are the polar opposites of starfleet
The discussion reminds me of a Starfleet Battles scenario where Starfleet as a numbers edge against the Klingons but because Starfleet didn't train for fleet actions there was a random element determining if non-Flagship Starfleet ships would obey the players command and what they would do if they didn't obey an order. The lore says Starfleet won the battle but it was a near thing due to errors caused by the lack of fleet tactical training. The press tore the fleet commander to shreds leading to him retiring and becoming an author specializing in stories where members of the press are either incompetent, or malevolent. But this also led to a new focus on fleet combat training in Starfleet which proved very helpful a few years later when the Klingons launched a full scale invasion of the Federation followed by their Romulans allies launching their own invasion a couple of years later. (The invasions were part of the longest war in the setting which started around three years before the Klingons hit the Federation, and ended around fourteen years later.)
Discovery exacting righteous vengeance... Got me thinking; in every war that the federation was losing, was there a Starfleet vessel that would exact righteous vengeance? Once ship that Starfleet would rely on to do a lot of the heavy lifting? If so what would this say about Starfleet's strategy?
Enterprise C is a good example. Federation wasn't entirely at peace with the klingons. They were negotiating. Yet the Big E-C was destroyed defending a colony belonging to an enemy
One thing i hate is how star trek will always simplify orders into "use attack pattern delta" or "going evasive patters six" or something like that. On the face of things this is good because its both good in universe streamlining and it make the combat flow faster BUT Other series like Honour harrington who do this will always explain (either before combat or afterwards for that extra mid battle suspense) just what those plans are not only so you know what the hells going on but so you know how the officers think. you can go "O its just like a firebrand like her to use such shock and awe tactics" and it tells you not only about the battle but the characters at the same time Unless its in some dusty non cannon manual, star treak never tells you what the hell "attack plan delta" even is. Is it setting the phasers to less frequent more concentrated blasts and focusing on the targets engines? Don't know story never bothered to tell me.
because unlike a book, where you can stop action to explain endlessly what some obscure attack pattern is, star trek is either Televised or in Movie Format, where stopping the action to explain endlessly what some obscure attack pattern is , will be a waste of time. time that in a TV format you dont have to waste, or in a movie format, where you potentially lose your audience.
It makes even less sense when we see that commands like "Execute Riker-Alpha!" really just translate to mundane things like "bank to port". I mean, really? He needed to set up a dramatic customized special order for _that?_ Calling out a bearing and ordering a bank to full speed would have been a lot clearer. It also doesn't help that the rest of the time that sort of emergency situation comes up, the orders given are on the other end of the scale, with things like "Mr. [Ensign], get us out of here!" being the official commands. But then, Starfleet is an organization with a tradition of getting confused as to how chain of command works when an admiral is on board a ship.
@@maevekirkland9452 Then either use quick five or ten second explanation lines where you can and they that don't take long at all or just have the actors say the actual orders so the audience can hear in real time. No this will not work for large fleet actions at all but that only happens like once a season anyways and you're going to want a large buildup for such a scene anyways. hell as long as something was layed out for the audience at least once in a earlier episode or movie its fine too no need to redo things for each episode.
@@tba113 I never knew that, thank you. remember what episode/movie that's from? also yes starfleet seems to completely gotten rid of the existence of flag captains at one point which is a.........unorthodox move.
Starfleet really should have been two separate organizations. One for science deploying lightly armed science vessels, research stations and exploration And the other a military focused organization deploying vessels built to protect the federation and confront threats such as the Borg or dominion
Hello Reloaded. I too have always thought that the Federation should have learned from Human History. Every society that becomes 'complacent' with it's success, is doomed to failure. The only reason the United States has had a dominate position in world politics and eventually became the single remaining 'super power' on the planet, is because the US, despite it's 'dirty' politics, remembers that to remain a strong political power, one has to have a strong military to protect that power, as well as to project it's forces where needed to deal with global threats. I know Gene wanted Humanity to 'grow up' and cease all the internecine conflict that has plagued it for thousands of years of Human History. But, his vision was at the cost of remembering that, as the old proverb says: The best Defense, is a strong Offense. One cannot have 'security' without having that mailed fist inside the velvet glove. I have often thought that Star Fleet should have had a 2nd branch. One devoted purely to warfare, combat, and weapons development. Had they done so, fewer alien races would have taken the chance of outright warfare, since the well defended science ships they would first encounter would be followed by massive, combat forces and dedicated combat vessels, purely designed for the combat role. Such a secondary, combat oriented, force would have a deterrent effect upon aggressive aliens. Even the Klingons and Romulans would have been forced to concede that behind the polite political face of Star Fleet, there lurked a force more than ready to fling itself upon any foe. This would have garnered Star Fleet a lot of much needed respect, and forced them to rethink any aggressive postures, since that 'mailed fist' would be available to counter their aggression.
I'm sorry man. Your character studies on X or Y character are great and I love them. Your commentary on camera work? Downright educative. But ST's battle tactics? Let's be honest, I am veeeeeery sure every single time, it came down to "more ships is cooler. How many ships can we have on screen and how flashy can it be when they blow up?" PS: Gave you a like. ;)
While I understand they went with the rule of cool - trying to make sense of it is fun :p some series actually stuck with realism which is fun. I don’t have any experience with military tactics either alas
The issue with Starfleet's battlefield tactics are primarily a result of the institutional culture. Starfleet has never viewed themselves as a military. At best they see themselves as border guards called to protect the Federation. This is not a culture that will develop effective battle tactics or design effective combat vessels. Not once do we see Federation forces leverage their advantages or properly exploit enemy disadvantages. We know that Federation Photon Torpedoes are very accurate in later years and that phasers are sufficiently accurate to serve at least somewhat as a point defense system yet we never see any of that. We don't see Federation ships engaging with torpedo salvos at maximum range or use their phasers to pick off incoming torpedoes. We don't see Federation fleets deploy scouts or engage in raids. At no point do we see the Federation ever learn from their mistakes. They repeat old ones and make new ones but they never learn. If they did learn, they would be a truly unassailable force. But they won't.
As well as several episodes in tng. That’s not what I was saying wasn’t outlined. It was the second piece, starfleet won’t start a fight - but they’ll end it
Question and sorry if this was already address and I missed it. But has anyone in universe pointed out Star fleet being a jack of trails organization, and offering any alternative so that star fleet can have more dedicated sub group or just not the military arm of the Federation all together?
There’s some dialogue in tos that starfleet had two divisions but there’s no on screen evidence it was really separate , it stopped being that way after tng for sure .. a definitive science and military branch would have been preferable for sure
Starfleet Strategy #1 Don't make backup systems robust enough to actually, you know... backup #2 No seatbelts #3 Put together a textbook of preprogrammed maneuvers that generally involve moving slightly to the left and down #4 No seatbelts, seriously you shouldn't need reminding of this
Geez Dude, I'm not one to complain about ads. I like them actually. They're the way that I can support who I like. I click on the link and let them play out... Well most of them anyway. Some ads are half an hour long. I got one ad that was a full concert and was about 4hrs long. So damn Dude, I think that I can safely say that 6 ads before 4mins., in a 12min. video is a bit excessive.
On most of these I don’t decide if you see these.. paramount likes to steal my money. Neither I, nor paramount, decide what ad you see. If it’s 6 hours.. that’s a RUclips thing. I appreciate your support though.. I’d never expect you to wait that long
@@LoreReloaded Dang, that sucks to learn that about Paramount. Really hoping that you'd be getting most of the Duckets. But you taught me several things here, I'm also surprised that you have no control over what or how many ads are attached to your vids. I'm shocked on that one. But one thing that I'm not surprised with is you didn't expect me to wait through ads. Eh, I'm old. I've grown up with ads on T.V. Plus most of the time I got your vids on as background noise, along with others so I'm mostly focused on my own work. But I always thought that it was worth it. It strikes my Anarcho/Communism // hahaha Anarcho-Syndicalist sensibilities, take from the rich to give to the poor, so to say. Well here's hoping on you getting more Sheckels. Take care Man, have a good one!
What you have to remember is that this is just make believe. It isn't written to impart military doctrine (defensive or offensive). Its written to draw an audience back in and keep those viewing figures up!
And what you fail to understand is that it can still be analyzed, still have things gleaned from it, and still be treated with respect - even if its not real. Trust me, people believe other things that are far less believable than this.
new video idea: 10 Star Trek Characters with Plot Armor (If i said the worst plot armor, STD would be on my list due to confirmation bias, hence the alternate title was mentioned)
Starfleet in a nutshell: 'Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.' - G. Michael Hopf
Discovery is all about spectacle and noise just like JJ abrams. He would blow up Coruscant just to make a movie interesting. Use Axanar as a basis for 23rd century conflict. It's unbelievable that it was just constant cold war tensions with the Klingons all those decades. Axanar fills that war gap where it did actually happen.
Its cost/benefit. Whats better every starfleet member getting battle armor for close combat skirmishes or build 15 more starships that can destroy an entire enemy force from outer space
@@tanner2238 Im not going to assume to know what someone else is saying but i think he means just a basic spacesuit with just a bit of protection . probable simple enough to replicate. you know so that if a compartment depressurizes not everyone is exposed to vacuum. Would be a shame to have a entire section suffocate from a single tiny hull breach cause by some stray fragment of stuff.
The moment you get to Discovery it's like "bomb in Kronos core, assisting in coup" - and I'm bored, it sounds like a TV series, not like the history of the future - like every other series is. How far Trek has strayed since the cancellation of Enterprise.
@@LoreReloaded the fact Gene Roddenberry wanted to sue William Shatner for stealing his idea for Star Trek V where the Enterprise meets God. Because Gene had pitched the same idea for the first film. Star Trek has had a lot of stupidity in it.
While I liked the content, the videos was a hodge podge of different episodes, most of which did not focus on battles. It certainly did not show Starfleet's tactics in action. I would suggest better editing to have the video representation reinforce what was being said.
What battle strategy? The cameras only focused on Starships that were practically nose to nose. Even the ancient armies knew to pin your enemy into one place, and then attack using your strike force to attack to the rear and the weak flanks. Look at the naval battle of Salamis, the ancient Greeks had the Persian fleet bunched up in the center, and then, they attack to the sides and the rear. Confederate General Stonewall, Jackson did the same thing in the US Civil War. FYI, I despise the Confederacy and Slavery.
Issue with star trek is that there's no reason you'd need to conquer anyone after having things like fusion generators / replicators that you can just carry around by hand and holodecks where you can have any experience. Anyone who is out in deep space from whatever culture out there wants to explore/science/fight and is probably a weirdo. That's why tge federation doesn't really care when in 1 episode 15000 colonists are going to be wiped out or in the next episode when 11000 are wiped out. They let people do whatever weird stuff they like and give them as little or as much support as they feel like
Starfleet's military side is crappy. I know Gene didn't want it to be like that, but when strong, warlike factions corner you, ya gotta be strong and warlike too.
Sisko do you realize your Mister worf ? To which worf replies: yes I should have confirmed my target.Sisko you made a military decision. You put civilian lives at risk. something we do not do. We do not put civilian lives at risk or even potentially. Sometimes we lose the battle and even our lives. But if you can't make that choice. Then you can't wear that uniform.
Starfleet tactics......What tactics???? If we are going by anything after kirk its wait till shields are down then fire.Outside of that fire all weapons on full only if their weapons are proven to be uneffective.
@@LoreReloaded Since the STD repeatedly violates continuity with TOS and TNG and there have been a number of statements indicating that it has been moved to the JJverse, I think that’s quite debatable. Still, you drew many of the same conclusions I did about Star Fleet being dragged too far away from her military role in favor of her science, exploration and diplomacy roles so I admire your presentation. You also pointed out a number of items I found quite interesting that I hadn’t thought of before so well done.
It makes for visually cool battles but always annoyed me that they lined up and fought like ancient naval warfare and had to be really close to one another
@@LoreReloaded TOS isn't that hard, better writers that actually knew how to write for a Sci-fi show compared to std's writers room. Heck lore You could do better then the std writers hands down.
Starfleet has no battle strategies, because the word "battle strategy" already implies that the oh so enlightened starfleet officers prepare for a nasty thing of the past called "battle". Imagine what a hostile commander with the tactical capability of...lets say...Admiral Thrawn would do to Starfleet. No Katana fleet needed, 6 capital ships should do the job and finish starfleet. Starfleet battle strategy 1: "Prepare the body bags" Starfleet battle strategy 2: "Get the Sisko" Starfleet battle strategy 3: "Ramming speed" It annoys the hell out of me how dumb starfleet is in TNG and to some degree even DS9 (though they still have the Sisko to be fair) The only thing worse is the casual disregard of federation values shown in "Nu Trek" (Micky Burnham show and Pukard). Despite all of the facepalm moments TNG and DS9 were fun, while Nu Trek is just bad.
FASA did it better than STDs They should have learned from that and used it but instead wanted an SJW delivery vehicle and play Star Wars. Star Fleet had just fought a Romulan war and you think they wouldn't have been better prepared for a war with Klingons with veterans from the previous? That is the dumbest and most insane thing this show does wrong. You think we weren't prepared for Korea when we went in? WW2 vets made their successes possible, WW2 vets were trained by WW1 vets, and in Vietnam the troops that survived the best were trained by WW2 and Korean vets. To say Starfleet wasn't ready and to show they weren't is a debacle of massive proportions. IF you think Vietnam isn't a good example then you don't know your history of it and why. I study war history, been doing it since I was a kid. I'm no professor nor to do I have a degree but I've read my AAR's, letters and interviews with vets(had a combat vet from Vietnam in my family), and most of all the political issues of those wars. It wasn't that the men weren't prepared, they were as prepared as they could be, and they did their jobs. THIS is where the writers of that god awful show have fucked up. They're stupid, uneducated, arrogant fools that want to Trek to be what THEY want and not what it SHOULD be even using real world data WHICH MOST OF THE SCIENCE USES IN THE SHOW. So yes, I give you shit on your channel for STDs because you give it credence for stuff it's doing absolutely wrong not only to the franchise but just in general behavior of how people work.
Starfleet tactics are simple: prepare for ramming speed.
Star Trek 2009: USS Kelvin rams the Nirada
Star Trek 2009: Spock rams a ship from the future into the Nirada
Star Trek Into Darkness: Khan rams USS Vengeance into San Francisco
Star Trek Beyond: Thousands of drones, commanded by ex-starfleet captain Balthazar Edison, ram into USS Enterprise repeatedly
Star Trek TOS: Commodore Decker rams a shuttle into unknown starship
Star Trek TOS: Captain James T. Kirk rams the USS Constellation into unknown starship
Star Trek First Contact: Lt. Cmdr. Worf attempts to ram USS Defiant into a Borg Cube
Star Trek Voyager: Captain Janeway rams USS Voyager into an alien lifeform
Star Trek Voyager: Captain Janeway rams USS Voyager into an alien lifeform (yes, she did this on two separate occasions)
Star Trek Voyager: Captain Janeway rams Krennim Timeship with USS Voyager
Star Trek Insurrection: Cmdr. Riker bluffs ramming So'na Particle Collector
Star Trek Nemesis: Captain Picard rams USS Enterprise-E into the Scimitar
As a warhammer fan I now see the federation with a little bit more respect.
Still no Glory melee combat so only a bit
Wow. That's some impressive Star Trek IQ right there.
It makes sense as a tactic when you are out of options defensively.
@@mervinreyes3008 I believe that Worf melee'd the Borg a few times in First Contact so Worf went a little bit more glorious?
To be fair...In Nemesis Troy had the wheel...and we all know her track record in that position
All those eras, and ships, and tactics, and they still consistently install exploding consoles on the bridge of every ship.
Exploding consoles were part of Starfleet's design language.
The ferengi need to manufacture those consoles which explode and they have plenty to sell to them 🤣
forgot the rocks in the walls
That's what happens when you power your entire ship with PLASMA. Any power surge, no matter how tiny, means a teaspoon-sized supernova every time you blow a fuse.
Just need to install surge protectors 😂
Great video!
The biggest problem with Starfleet is that it is a single organization that has too many roles. They need to be split into two separate fleets with two different command structures. One fleet should be focused on exploration, scoence, and diplomacy with vessels and crews specialized to that task. The other fleet should be a strictly military organization tasked with defending the Federation and defeating any hostile forces with superior tactics and firepower. The Exploratory Fleet makes first contact and assesses the situation. The Defense Fleet convinces any threats that attacking the Federation is a tragically bad idea.
I don't agree. That would signal a shift of the federation into an empire, generate a warmonger sector with power to takeover the entire thing an add cost due to the various logistic lines.
I think they should do four things:
1-Consolidate into less classes. I pick five outside of the purpose made scientific vessels: Nebula and New Orleans as work horses which carry a punch if needed, sovereign as ship of the line, Defiant in high numbers and Luna for exploration.
2-Expand the logistics. More shipyards in core sistems and battlestations disposed in depth to form checkpoints (non frontier ones can be desguised as normal stations).
3-Use these to define a template for tactical and operational procedures, like taskforce templates, multiship tactics, fleet concentration protocols, etc.
4-Create a strategic reserve. Have every inhabited planet and starbase have a wing of defiants manned by locals as garrison, with the option to call them to form defensive fleets in the region.
What do you think?
I definitely agree that Starfleet has a huge tendency to build up military units then disband them immediately after the crisis has abated. They are indeed the model of the USA in its military stance. Massive buildups, huge haymaker punches. Then reduce the combat force when not needed. The main advantage of the US/Starfleet is the immediate dedication of all personnel to the war cause as soon as it's needed. Realistically it's very hard to beat a government of that stature because you're always going to get the first hit in but you better be more than ready for that haymaker coming after you right after.
so while starfleet tactics in Discovery appear to be 'Sporadic' you did point to one thing that will become a theme, that being pairs. because generally Starfleet ships are bigger than those of the other powers. where other powers use 'Pack' or 'swarm' Tactics starfleet will consistently operate 'wingman' tactics this is because starfleet officers are better trained and thus commanders are encouraged to exercise initiative within small units compared to more authoritarian command structures.
PS. i'd love to collab with you on something like this when you've got the time.
If starfleet used pairs a lot of issues wouldn't have happened in tng and such. Is one thing i wish they had actually done.
'We aren't a military' which is why you have a military command structure, heavy weapons, and defense systems, and fight in wars
Picard is awesome but he's also full of shit when he said that. A huge leverage of joining the Federation is being protected by a very powerful military force that is Starfleet. If anyone out there is considering doing aggression against the Federation, they have to temper that with the reality of dealing with Starfleet.
By all means, the Federation and Starfleet would very much prefer to talk it out with an extended hand as a potential friend. But if all else fails, Starfleet is the Big Stick of the Federation.
@@Warmaker01 and let's not forget the Federation originated as a military alliance, primarily to defend against the Klingon and Romulan empires
Star Fleet thinking (writing) was a reflection of American thinking. The US is a federation with a federal military. Europe is different, we have increasing political union in the EU, but defence is a national competency within NATO.
If only the writers of a certain series had thought to have starfleet use science to help them in that war.
I agree but they would have needed to know something about trek more than the cage to go on and have talented writers that knew what they was doing.
Something they did not have.
You mean like using the experimental Drive System to get enough data to penetrate the cloak?
Or using the experimental Drive System to defend key installations and singled out ships?
Or deploying minefields around certain secret installations?
The klingons were simply the better warriors and had a technological advantage with their (for the time) highly advanced Cloaks. It is no wonder that they defeated any simple tactic employed to counter the cloak. And the Tachyon detecting Grid was still a few centuries out.
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That's the thing though Klingons never had cloaking technology until a trade with the Romulans.
The Romulans got the d7 while the Klingons got the bird of prey and the cloaking technology much later in tos era long after Enterprise and std.
@@valor1omega They did have cloaking technology.
Then it was defeated with a *Sensor Software Patch* and they had no knowledge of the fundamentals of cloaking to improve it (given they had just copied the tech blindly).
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I don't remember them having it in tos, they never had cloaking technology.
really enjoyed this one! looking forward to part 2!
How I miss the days of Picard yelling at Wesley. The good Ole days
SHUT UP WESLEY!!
Shut up, Wesley?
That pesky Wesley
And to think the traveler picked wes, the bully of of broccoli.
@TheMan WhoLaughs maybe you missed the episode in tng when they meet the being that transends into a new species of energy.even the changelings as old of a race as they were or other races in ancient history that had achieved stellar power harness.these beings that many of which died out.or the semi demi gods like q or the one that took out an entire race because they killed his wife trying to be a pacifist.besides the prophets there are very few that turn omnipotent omnipresent or beyond the show shows some insight into this.however wrong they may be if you mix this with star trek,infinity wars,and the simillarian you can learn much that relates in archetypes of noble worth.
"The best diplomacy is a fully charged phaser-bank!" - Scotty
The most desillusion I had about Discovery season 1. The Klingon-federation war was just set dressing. So consequencially no thought went into it...
Starfleet and the UFP won't ever start a fight, but they will finish it. There will always be Picards and your Siskos, Bashirs and Sloans, defending the Federation in different ways and with different means. And I think that is necessarily one of the most human aspects of the Federation.
at 2:40 when you say "distinct differences" and "generally" I think you're talkin about Sisko. which i say your right his action during the war wasn't SF in action but SF at heart. furthermore If he didn't step over the line there wouldn't be a SF to judge his actions against. He was a leader when SF needed one, someone to make the hard ugly calls that got the job done by any means necessary. A Romulan a criminal and the self respect of one officer save the alpha quadrant.
Hello everyone, I hope you are all having a good day.
Doing good fam. How are you holding up?
Hi there, you too. Stay safe out there.
Correct me if im wrong but the klingons didnt have a cloak until TOS or the movies right? and it was new to the Romulans until TOS. right?
No, they had cloaking tech before that in discovery
@@LoreReloaded
ok true. but did they have it in TOS? Because they didnt have it until the movies.
@@BilalMarcus they had it in the series yea. It was speculated that the Klingons traded military ships for the tech
It's like Captain Kirk said: "We come in peace. Shoot to kill."
Ok so I have a plan
...
Does it involve the enterprise?
No.
It will fail.
Lol
@TheMan WhoLaughs lol you think you're smart. That's adorable
Don't you mean if it doesn't involve Burnham the plan will fail because she is good at everything and is better than everyone.
@@canyonntt6969 Mind trying to refute any of his points. If you were really that smart you would debunked them one by one rather a lame drive by.
@TheMan WhoLaughs You’re accidentally making people on the right look like they’re insane. Please stop. I’d like to be considered sane.
Federations ships are designed and built to a truly suicidal degree for long duration high speed warp travel.
Even during their most militaristic periods, Federation ships feature oversized and unarmoured warp nacelles, antimatter power plants, and often have only single or dual-layer shields.
Hell, they use PLASMA CONDUITS (aka. Liquid Artificial Star) to transfer power INSIDE the ship and rely on inertial compensators, artificial gravity, deflector arrays and force fields that reinforce structural integrity just to avoid tearing themselves apart when they MOVE.
I also believe it's cannon that the Defiant was FIRST Federation ship able to fire phasers with power directly from the main reactor.
Most Federation ships take the unnecessary and seemingly unique step of having phasers run off massive _capacitor banks_ that need to charge between shots.
But HAVING those dedicated phaser capacitors means that Federation ships can still fight when critically damaged or even after ejecting their main reactor into space.
They also never have to trade top speed for ANYTHING - Any time they're not running the engines at full speed, they can charge the phaser grid and trade stored phaser power instead.
For an entity seemingly morally adverse to pre-emptive strikes, the Federation sure seems to have geared itself up for Mutually Assured Destruction.
Well, actually, the Constitution Refit had that, when Decker said that the Enterprise’s Phaser supply was cut off when the Engines went offline when they were in the wormhole in Star Trek: The Motion Picture
I like this. I definitely want to see more series like this. Maybe after this you could do a similar series about a different show.
I heard a theory about the USA once - that the commander in chief leading up to WW2 realized: The US will *always* be unprepared for any war they enter. The challenge was to quickly adapt to the realities of the war they fought, never being shy to replace commanders that did not perform well in the theather.
Starfleet is like that:
Never prepared for a war.
But damn quick at learning.
It is just problematic when the war barely lasts 2 years, giving them not enough time to adapt.
I like your take lore, though I have to ask if the spore drive was such a good technology why didn't they Mount it on every ship like the Enterprise the more well known flagship of the federation?
Or later on in ds9 for the defiant?
Also why didn't SF know about what the romulans looked like in tos when the Enterprise went against the warbird with the experimental cloaking device?
Or why Kirk didn't come access the earlier versions of the bird of prey?
Also why didn't tos and TNG era star ship captains not know what the Borg was when Q snapped them into a forced meeting?
You should do an analysis of the Legends Galactic Empire's Imperial Navy. I think both doctrinally and ideologically they are the polar opposites of starfleet
The discussion reminds me of a Starfleet Battles scenario where Starfleet as a numbers edge against the Klingons but because Starfleet didn't train for fleet actions there was a random element determining if non-Flagship Starfleet ships would obey the players command and what they would do if they didn't obey an order.
The lore says Starfleet won the battle but it was a near thing due to errors caused by the lack of fleet tactical training. The press tore the fleet commander to shreds leading to him retiring and becoming an author specializing in stories where members of the press are either incompetent, or malevolent. But this also led to a new focus on fleet combat training in Starfleet which proved very helpful a few years later when the Klingons launched a full scale invasion of the Federation followed by their Romulans allies launching their own invasion a couple of years later. (The invasions were part of the longest war in the setting which started around three years before the Klingons hit the Federation, and ended around fourteen years later.)
My good ol’ M5 Multitronic unit can trounce all of your human tactics!
Discovery exacting righteous vengeance... Got me thinking; in every war that the federation was losing, was there a Starfleet vessel that would exact righteous vengeance? Once ship that Starfleet would rely on to do a lot of the heavy lifting? If so what would this say about Starfleet's strategy?
Enterprise C is a good example.
Federation wasn't entirely at peace with the klingons. They were negotiating. Yet the Big E-C was destroyed defending a colony belonging to an enemy
Not gonna lie, that was probably the best scene in STVI.
Star Fleet Battle Tactics 101 - Line up in front of the enemy and let them shoot you until they run out of bullets.
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@@LoreReloaded Nice
Star Fleet Battle Tactics 102: Take It on the Shields
Letting your opponent hammer your shields to at least 50% before returning fire.
This is where beta canon shines. The FASA games 4 years war really fleshed out 22-23rd century Federation combat doctrines.
FASA Strar Trek was totally awesome!
Nice work
Killing Klingons, the good old days, 80s.
The 60s, 70s, and 80s. But, yeah. They were The Mongols of the Star Trek universe.
One thing i hate is how star trek will always simplify orders into "use attack pattern delta" or "going evasive patters six" or something like that. On the face of things this is good because its both good in universe streamlining and it make the combat flow faster
BUT
Other series like Honour harrington who do this will always explain (either before combat or afterwards for that extra mid battle suspense) just what those plans are not only so you know what the hells going on but so you know how the officers think. you can go "O its just like a firebrand like her to use such shock and awe tactics" and it tells you not only about the battle but the characters at the same time
Unless its in some dusty non cannon manual, star treak never tells you what the hell "attack plan delta" even is. Is it setting the phasers to less frequent more concentrated blasts and focusing on the targets engines? Don't know story never bothered to tell me.
because unlike a book, where you can stop action to explain endlessly what some obscure attack pattern is, star trek is either Televised or in Movie Format, where stopping the action to explain endlessly what some obscure attack pattern is , will be a waste of time. time that in a TV format you dont have to waste, or in a movie format, where you potentially lose your audience.
It makes even less sense when we see that commands like "Execute Riker-Alpha!" really just translate to mundane things like "bank to port". I mean, really? He needed to set up a dramatic customized special order for _that?_
Calling out a bearing and ordering a bank to full speed would have been a lot clearer. It also doesn't help that the rest of the time that sort of emergency situation comes up, the orders given are on the other end of the scale, with things like "Mr. [Ensign], get us out of here!" being the official commands.
But then, Starfleet is an organization with a tradition of getting confused as to how chain of command works when an admiral is on board a ship.
@@maevekirkland9452 Then either use quick five or ten second explanation lines where you can and they that don't take long at all or just have the actors say the actual orders so the audience can hear in real time.
No this will not work for large fleet actions at all but that only happens like once a season anyways and you're going to want a large buildup for such a scene anyways.
hell as long as something was layed out for the audience at least once in a earlier episode or movie its fine too no need to redo things for each episode.
Actually, they did spell it out once in DS9, "Shattered Mirror", where Prime Sisko has to explain ship maneuvers to Smiley.
@@tba113 I never knew that, thank you. remember what episode/movie that's from?
also yes starfleet seems to completely gotten rid of the existence of flag captains at one point which is a.........unorthodox move.
Very interesting
Starfleet really should have been two separate organizations. One for science deploying lightly armed science vessels, research stations and exploration And the other a military focused organization deploying vessels built to protect the federation and confront threats such as the Borg or dominion
Starfleet is definitely a scientific research and development paramilitary exploration organization.
Klingon battle tactics: So I started blasting.
Starfleet battle tactics: So I started talking.
Awesome
Hello Reloaded.
I too have always thought that the Federation should have learned from Human History. Every society that becomes 'complacent' with it's success, is doomed to failure. The only reason the United States has had a dominate position in world politics and eventually became the single remaining 'super power' on the planet, is because the US, despite it's 'dirty' politics, remembers that to remain a strong political power, one has to have a strong military to protect that power, as well as to project it's forces where needed to deal with global threats.
I know Gene wanted Humanity to 'grow up' and cease all the internecine conflict that has plagued it for thousands of years of Human History. But, his vision was at the cost of remembering that, as the old proverb says: The best Defense, is a strong Offense. One cannot have 'security' without having that mailed fist inside the velvet glove.
I have often thought that Star Fleet should have had a 2nd branch. One devoted purely to warfare, combat, and weapons development. Had they done so, fewer alien races would have taken the chance of outright warfare, since the well defended science ships they would first encounter would be followed by massive, combat forces and dedicated combat vessels, purely designed for the combat role.
Such a secondary, combat oriented, force would have a deterrent effect upon aggressive aliens. Even the Klingons and Romulans would have been forced to concede that behind the polite political face of Star Fleet, there lurked a force more than ready to fling itself upon any foe. This would have garnered Star Fleet a lot of much needed respect, and forced them to rethink any aggressive postures, since that 'mailed fist' would be available to counter their aggression.
I'm sorry man. Your character studies on X or Y character are great and I love them. Your commentary on camera work? Downright educative. But ST's battle tactics? Let's be honest, I am veeeeeery sure every single time, it came down to "more ships is cooler. How many ships can we have on screen and how flashy can it be when they blow up?"
PS: Gave you a like. ;)
While I understand they went with the rule of cool - trying to make sense of it is fun :p some series actually stuck with realism which is fun. I don’t have any experience with military tactics either alas
The issue with Starfleet's battlefield tactics are primarily a result of the institutional culture. Starfleet has never viewed themselves as a military. At best they see themselves as border guards called to protect the Federation. This is not a culture that will develop effective battle tactics or design effective combat vessels.
Not once do we see Federation forces leverage their advantages or properly exploit enemy disadvantages. We know that Federation Photon Torpedoes are very accurate in later years and that phasers are sufficiently accurate to serve at least somewhat as a point defense system yet we never see any of that. We don't see Federation ships engaging with torpedo salvos at maximum range or use their phasers to pick off incoming torpedoes. We don't see Federation fleets deploy scouts or engage in raids.
At no point do we see the Federation ever learn from their mistakes. They repeat old ones and make new ones but they never learn. If they did learn, they would be a truly unassailable force. But they won't.
Thanks
The Federation doesn't start wars. But we sure do finish them.
Steven V. Cole
Creator of Starfleet Battles
Didn't the Vulcan Hello Solidify that Starfleet does not fire first? or the Episode where Worf is framed for murder of civilian transports?
As well as several episodes in tng. That’s not what I was saying wasn’t outlined. It was the second piece, starfleet won’t start a fight - but they’ll end it
I don't think continuing a fight is a part of the Federation ethos. Usually Starfleet will ask for peace as soon as possible.
Truth is written by the victors Captain Picard
You forgot to mention they still use coal in the construction of the starship bridge......*cough cough*
Question and sorry if this was already address and I missed it.
But has anyone in universe pointed out Star fleet being a jack of trails organization, and offering any alternative so that star fleet can have more dedicated sub group or just not the military arm of the Federation all together?
There’s some dialogue in tos that starfleet had two divisions but there’s no on screen evidence it was really separate , it stopped being that way after tng for sure .. a definitive science and military branch would have been preferable for sure
FIRE AT WILL
Will: WHAT?!?
Sorry Sir... Which one is Will?
@@Lord_Foxy13 One L this time! Wil Wheaton!
*turns and fires Phaser set to disintegrate at Wil Wheaton.*
I actually met Will at a Con, he was pretty chill Tbh
@@Lord_Foxy13 I've met him too... he's an okay guy, I just disliked the Crusher character.
This Playlist is posted... backwards.
Ngl I'm happy to see this video the boulder shooter looks like you a bit
Boulder shooter?
@@LoreReloaded the person in boulder colorado who shot people. Who is clearly not you
Yes, just like all bald/shaved headed guys look alike, all the guys with beards look alike. *eye roll*
didnt you do a response to gen. films star trek is dying? like on youtube or twitch @lore reloaded thanks
We are doing a discussion on it soon
1:35 I don’t get it, what’s the big deal?
Starfleet Strategy
#1 Don't make backup systems robust enough to actually, you know... backup
#2 No seatbelts
#3 Put together a textbook of preprogrammed maneuvers that generally involve moving slightly to the left and down
#4 No seatbelts, seriously you shouldn't need reminding of this
Let’s be fair, at least JJ’s timeline had at least the Enterprise have emergency seatbelts.
The death of Roddenberry was the best thing that happened to Start Trek. It allowed for the creation of Section 31.
Geez Dude, I'm not one to complain about ads. I like them actually. They're the way that I can support who I like. I click on the link and let them play out... Well most of them anyway. Some ads are half an hour long. I got one ad that was a full concert and was about 4hrs long. So damn Dude, I think that I can safely say that 6 ads before 4mins., in a 12min. video is a bit excessive.
On most of these I don’t decide if you see these.. paramount likes to steal my money. Neither I, nor paramount, decide what ad you see. If it’s 6 hours.. that’s a RUclips thing. I appreciate your support though.. I’d never expect you to wait that long
@@LoreReloaded Dang, that sucks to learn that about Paramount. Really hoping that you'd be getting most of the Duckets. But you taught me several things here, I'm also surprised that you have no control over what or how many ads are attached to your vids. I'm shocked on that one. But one thing that I'm not surprised with is you didn't expect me to wait through ads. Eh, I'm old. I've grown up with ads on T.V. Plus most of the time I got your vids on as background noise, along with others so I'm mostly focused on my own work. But I always thought that it was worth it. It strikes my Anarcho/Communism // hahaha Anarcho-Syndicalist sensibilities, take from the rich to give to the poor, so to say. Well here's hoping on you getting more Sheckels. Take care Man, have a good one!
For me starfleet where cops, search and rescue, coast gaurd, army, NASA etc etc.
Again, hearing the plot of STD makes even less sense than watching it.
seeing the acronym really takes it all out of context
Well std writer's room was filled with Gilmore girls writing staff so it's no surprise that std is bad.
WHO WOULD NAME THEIR SERIES STD?!!!
What you have to remember is that this is just make believe. It isn't written to impart military doctrine (defensive or offensive). Its written to draw an audience back in and keep those viewing figures up!
And what you fail to understand is that it can still be analyzed, still have things gleaned from it, and still be treated with respect - even if its not real. Trust me, people believe other things that are far less believable than this.
new video idea: 10 Star Trek Characters with Plot Armor
(If i said the worst plot armor, STD would be on my list due to confirmation bias, hence the alternate title was mentioned)
Never underestimate Starfleet engineers
Dukat
despite the flaws of starfleet or federation humans...it's still beter then the humans we are now...
Starfleet in a nutshell: 'Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.' - G. Michael Hopf
I love your content. Usually.
Including the BS stuff that HORRIBLE show STD is almost inexcusable!
Discovery is all about spectacle and noise just like JJ abrams. He would blow up Coruscant just to make a movie interesting.
Use Axanar as a basis for 23rd century conflict. It's unbelievable that it was just constant cold war tensions with the Klingons all those decades. Axanar fills that war gap where it did actually happen.
hving ppl not in space suits w/proper armoring in a prepared fight seems stupid, not science trained boy scouts.
When you hit 20 trillion sentient beings sentience loses value.
Its cost/benefit. Whats better every starfleet member getting battle armor for close combat skirmishes or build 15 more starships that can destroy an entire enemy force from outer space
@@tanner2238 Im not going to assume to know what someone else is saying but i think he means just a basic spacesuit with just a bit of protection . probable simple enough to replicate.
you know so that if a compartment depressurizes not everyone is exposed to vacuum. Would be a shame to have a entire section suffocate from a single tiny hull breach cause by some stray fragment of stuff.
no life support drain of power, just ppl or fighting room. No way to just beam over if shields fall, fighting ready.
hve environmental controls set to toxic for enemy u r facing or no air enemy I am facing.
Starfleet's technology: overwhelming.
Starfleet's battle tactics & strategy: pathetic.
I blame the writing.
The moment you get to Discovery it's like "bomb in Kronos core, assisting in coup" - and I'm bored, it sounds like a TV series, not like the history of the future - like every other series is. How far Trek has strayed since the cancellation of Enterprise.
I mean "Kronos' moon exploded cause they arent good at infrastructure" and "whale probe" - aren't exactly top tier writing if we're all honest ;P
@@LoreReloaded the fact Gene Roddenberry wanted to sue William Shatner for stealing his idea for Star Trek V where the Enterprise meets God. Because Gene had pitched the same idea for the first film. Star Trek has had a lot of stupidity in it.
@@JeffreyPiatt Meeting.. God?
What drugs are they on, I want them!
0:15 Pseudo?
While I liked the content, the videos was a hodge podge of different episodes, most of which did not focus on battles. It certainly did not show Starfleet's tactics in action. I would suggest better editing to have the video representation reinforce what was being said.
What battle strategy?
The cameras only focused on Starships that were practically nose to nose.
Even the ancient armies knew to pin your enemy into one place, and then attack using your strike force to attack to the rear and the weak flanks.
Look at the naval battle of Salamis, the ancient Greeks had the Persian fleet bunched up in the center, and then, they attack to the sides and the rear.
Confederate General Stonewall, Jackson did the same thing in the US Civil War. FYI, I despise the Confederacy and Slavery.
You don’t have to point out that you despise the confederacy. Basically all of us do.
Issue with star trek is that there's no reason you'd need to conquer anyone after having things like fusion generators / replicators that you can just carry around by hand and holodecks where you can have any experience. Anyone who is out in deep space from whatever culture out there wants to explore/science/fight and is probably a weirdo. That's why tge federation doesn't really care when in 1 episode 15000 colonists are going to be wiped out or in the next episode when 11000 are wiped out. They let people do whatever weird stuff they like and give them as little or as much support as they feel like
These videos would be a lot better if you discounted Discovery and Picard, they're not star trek no matter what they call themselves.
Starfleet's military side is crappy. I know Gene didn't want it to be like that, but when strong, warlike factions corner you, ya gotta be strong and warlike too.
Simply explained adapt and survive or , stay the same and get beat like a punching bag
7:21 *phasers and photonic torpedoes
Sisko do you realize your Mister worf ? To which worf replies: yes I should have confirmed my target.Sisko you made a military decision. You put civilian lives at risk. something we do not do. We do not put civilian lives at risk or even potentially. Sometimes we lose the battle and even our lives. But if you can't make that choice. Then you can't wear that uniform.
Who would win in this pokemon tournament?
Worf
Odo
Trip
Spock
Harry
Boimler
Book
Elnor
Because of my biases, Trip.
Starfleet tactics......What tactics????
If we are going by anything after kirk its wait till shields are down then fire.Outside of that fire all weapons on full only if their weapons are proven to be uneffective.
I think you depend too much on the not very Canon STD.
I think I’d be a hypocrite not to given it’s.. canon
@@LoreReloaded Since the STD repeatedly violates continuity with TOS and TNG and there have been a number of statements indicating that it has been moved to the JJverse, I think that’s quite debatable. Still, you drew many of the same conclusions I did about Star Fleet being dragged too far away from her military role in favor of her science, exploration and diplomacy roles so I admire your presentation. You also pointed out a number of items I found quite interesting that I hadn’t thought of before so well done.
Oberths to the front
Reason they didn't do sweeps etc... was because disco was poorly written
Or basically oftentimes the COMPLETE LACK OF TACTICS.
Section 31 is always there behind the back doors.
Never count them out !
Even when Starfleets good don't know for sure .
Beware but be good ?!?!
It makes for visually cool battles but always annoyed me that they lined up and fought like ancient naval warfare and had to be really close to one another
Trying to analyze Discovery in any logical, let alone martial sense is an exercise in futility.
You s hould try the original series.. Pheeeewww
@@LoreReloaded
TOS isn't that hard, better writers that actually knew how to write for a Sci-fi show compared to std's writers room.
Heck lore You could do better then the std writers hands down.
Can we all just agree to never bring up STD?
My god... discovery just.... ot doesn't match up to ANY star trek canon at all.... it's so stupid. It's not even prime universe for that matter
It is prime , yes. It matches up as well as tos
They should invest in some more weapons
Starfleet has no battle strategies, because the word "battle strategy" already implies that the oh so enlightened starfleet officers prepare for a nasty thing of the past called "battle". Imagine what a hostile commander with the tactical capability of...lets say...Admiral Thrawn would do to Starfleet. No Katana fleet needed, 6 capital ships should do the job and finish starfleet.
Starfleet battle strategy 1: "Prepare the body bags"
Starfleet battle strategy 2: "Get the Sisko"
Starfleet battle strategy 3: "Ramming speed"
It annoys the hell out of me how dumb starfleet is in TNG and to some degree even DS9 (though they still have the Sisko to be fair) The only thing worse is the casual disregard of federation values shown in "Nu Trek" (Micky Burnham show and Pukard). Despite all of the facepalm moments TNG and DS9 were fun, while Nu Trek is just bad.
Calling it a cloaking device wouldn't break continuity anyway.
ST:D isn't canon.
ST canon is crap at warfare.......Starfleet battles had the right idea
current writers in wokewood wouldn't know tactics even if the most obvious things to do , were slapping them in the face.
Wow the CGI looks so bad on the newer series.
I invite my fellow Trekkers to enjoy a completely free novel. Just Google Star Trek Lost Destiny.
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FASA did it better than STDs They should have learned from that and used it but instead wanted an SJW delivery vehicle and play Star Wars. Star Fleet had just fought a Romulan war and you think they wouldn't have been better prepared for a war with Klingons with veterans from the previous? That is the dumbest and most insane thing this show does wrong. You think we weren't prepared for Korea when we went in? WW2 vets made their successes possible, WW2 vets were trained by WW1 vets, and in Vietnam the troops that survived the best were trained by WW2 and Korean vets. To say Starfleet wasn't ready and to show they weren't is a debacle of massive proportions. IF you think Vietnam isn't a good example then you don't know your history of it and why. I study war history, been doing it since I was a kid. I'm no professor nor to do I have a degree but I've read my AAR's, letters and interviews with vets(had a combat vet from Vietnam in my family), and most of all the political issues of those wars. It wasn't that the men weren't prepared, they were as prepared as they could be, and they did their jobs. THIS is where the writers of that god awful show have fucked up. They're stupid, uneducated, arrogant fools that want to Trek to be what THEY want and not what it SHOULD be even using real world data WHICH MOST OF THE SCIENCE USES IN THE SHOW. So yes, I give you shit on your channel for STDs because you give it credence for stuff it's doing absolutely wrong not only to the franchise but just in general behavior of how people work.
Video started off good. Then it went into Discovery, thus losing all credibility, and I stopped watching.
"ignorant explorers". Instant downvote
The problem with this analysis is that this is a bunch of ridiculous gobbledygook about a bunch of television show.
Ahh , you don't get the point of the channel - and you're likely a hypocrite.. how sad..
@@LoreReloaded it’s folks like you that ruin good entertainment
Jk lol
@@Relyas Honest to god, you had me going. I actually get this stuff like legit..