@@blackpanthar906 As salam u alaikum yeah but we don’t take his style of it and many scholars have called him a disbeliever. We use the contingency argument to prove Allah swt exists not just any deity. 😊
@@AliDawah Premise no 1: The universe is composed upon a set of interdependent things/pieces/parts... There's nothing within the universe is independent/self sufficient... Premise no 2 : A set which composed upon interdependent things cannot survive with it's own Therefore Conclusion : The Universe is dependent which depends upon an Independent, self sufficient being. You're finished 🔚🏁 .....
Exactly 😂 that one was funny It almost gave colonial superiority lol Maybe, just MAYBE prophets were guided to unify humans because otherwise they'd go astray (current state) This wasn't exclusive to the past nor will it be obsolete in the future
@@aadiitalks nobody claimed that. Is it the age or the validity of an argument which makes it reasonable? There are arguments formulated in the antiquity. Are they invalid because of their age?
The guy on the right spoke in a way like he was trying to understand Ali's argument and then provide a counter argument. Very sensible young man. The fellow in the middle on the other hand came off as very, very arrogant, cocky, and over confident. Props to Ali.
I used to be just like these guys…. When you’re that age you feel like you know better than everyone else, about everything. If you notice the smugness on their faces you can always tell who’s an atheist just by that
@Cracxy I prefer Christians because we at least have a similar foundation to start off of and build up to our differences while atheists are devoid of spirituality and far more stubborn
Alhamdulilah. I dont know why people support ali so much he is just using religion to make money. He is using his own hypothesis and theory to explain random things, it wouldnt be a wonder if quran is rewritten or modified by these idiots(hijab and ali) in the coming years and imposing their false ideologies on us. these hoodlums are just businessmen using religion to make money. Its haram and against ummah
@@Salam-qx1qv I’ll be honest Brother I’m a Christian and I’ve been trying to learn more about Islam, Is it alright for me to ask what are some of the things that make you disagree with Ali, and your criticisms of him?
I am not gonna lie. Ali Dawah, from the ends; just went head to head with some young brains who are clearly highly educated who pride and believe themselves to be that way - and Ali smashed the arrogance out of them intellectually. Damn right! Well done Ali.
Atheists have much more diverse beliefs since they’re more open to new ideas/understandings. It was inevitable that they would have some disagreements because of this. My problem with religion, in general, is the sheer amount of factors that are universally agreed on in a specific religion. The belief its self that something can be entirely truthful is the very reason many cults and groups have lead to the mass suicide of innocent people. While it can have benefits like living “moral” lives it can also have great dangers. Countless studies have shown that people are more likely to change their opinions based on what the majority believes even if they are certain it is wrong. I’m not saying things like family and community are the reason everyone becomes religious because i know people who have experienced things that they consider to be proof of gods existence. My point is, leaning towards the majority isn’t always safe and beliefs can be very easily manipulated under the right circumstances either intentionally or not. Theres no certain way to know weather anything is true which is why i choose to believe in what i think is most logically accurate (based on the information available to me).
A history lesson is somewhat important on this, because it shows why these people back then made assumptions based on a heavily flawed understanding of the world.
@@joerdim Nice that you mention, the islam wasn’t brought to the muslims only that time it came to the World. There are verses in the quran that let us muslim know when the day of judgement will be after signs the prophet told us and God in the quran. How can i think that this is a flawed World back than ? The prophet even told the muslims wich hand they need to use to eat. The islam is a complete religion and islam is not getting old only more known because the quran speaks for itself. Try reading it :)
@@cobracobraaa Oh, signs... sure. Like in astrology and EVERY OTHER religion out there. Yeah, this is really special. Yawn. Muhammad said that some boy among them will not grow old until Judgement Day arrives. Guess what? The boy is dead since way over one thousand years. I can also tell you what hand to eat with. What is this? Btw, can Islam tell me about traffic regulations? I have already read it. The quran is mostly clueless childish nonsense.
@@joerdim islam could tell you about respect and cautiousness which are the basis of traffic regulations. Btw saying the quran is childish and clueless is one of the most ignorent things to say. I also don’t know anything about astrology, believing in that is haram btw wich Means not permissible in islam, matter of fact its shirk en its the biggest sin. Dont be comparing astrology with relgions.
@@Flex-cx7uj It's not "western countries". 😅 It is scientific research and simply what the historical evidence shows. The scientific method is WAY older. You could even say it is as old as humanity. What do you mean by "motion of light"? Even some old greeks already had a picture of light moving with a finite velocity towards the eye. Hygiene has been practiced differently everywhere. Rules to can also be found everywhere. The medieval islamic world just drew on existing rules and got updated again by others later. Like EVERY SINGLE high technology we have today has absolutely nothing to do with the islamic world. Islam mostly just conquered other countries and adapted their scientific discoveries.
@@jacobmanzoor1897 no offense brother but u took a 3th grader as your caretaker cus he said its not the eyes that are blind its the hearts so he wasnt mentioning u by any mean have nice day brother peace
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It would be great if they even could fit their narratives but they couldn't. They are asking questions but when Ali asked questions they didn't have any answers 😂
@Muslims remember Apostacy Day 22nd of August difference is...my religion doesn't allow me to bash other religions, and I was raised to respect everybody and not fight fire with fire. So you continue spreading whatever you like..just don't claim you fear any type of God when you mock people who worship the same creator.
In films, the intellectual seems to be atheist, and the believer has blind faith; in the real world, the atheist has blind faith, and the believer appears to be the intellectual.
@@jonatand2045 Defying God is the origin of sin. Again, it’s a test that we agreed to have after seeing Heaven AND Hell. “And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned.” (21:35)
Props to this man and people like him who are continuously getting Good deeds done everyday. Imagine the amount of people converting after watching these videos! MASHALLAH brother. May ALLAH bless u more.
Alhamdulilah. I dont know why people support ali so much he is just using religion to make money. He is using his own hypothesis and theory to explain random things, it wouldnt be a wonder if quran is rewritten or modified by these idiots(hijab and ali) in the coming years and imposing their false ideologies on us. these hoodlums are just businessmen using religion to make money.
Hopefully none Muhammad never followed Jesus ,,, Jesus- live by sword perish by sword Muhammed- lived killed forced conversions by sword Jesus - only adultery is grounds for divorce Muhammed - lusted after and got his adopted son to divorce his wife so he could have her Quran- stand firm on books sent before Bible - trust no other gospel Quran- king of kings worse on judgement/ resurrection day Bible- Jesus is king of kings Quran - dis/unbelievers have kuffar on foreheads Bible- GOD’s people will have his name marked on their foreheads
@@MilitantAntiAtheism this has to be the most irrational statement I have ever read. Islam and paganism in the same phrase ? Muslims worshiping a stone ? Pagan god lah ? Please stop embarrassing yourself.
@@joerdim ''Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart?1 And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?'' (Quran 21:30). A man in Arabia 1400 years ago couldnt known that our universe was once a singularity and then expanded (which it still is expanding. In the Quran 51:47 Allah says ''We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺'') And then Allah says ''and we created from water every living thing'' We now know that the most fundemental life form in any organism are cells and cells are made out of partly water. Therefore all life was created from water as a basic ingredient of life. All this was recently discovered by science to be facts not more than 100 years ago. It being written 1400 years ago is proof of the prophethood of Mohammed peace be upon him. This is clear proof that God exists, Islam, the afterlife and the day of judgement are true.
@@MeteorBoy23 There is nothing about a singularity in this verse and a singularity is not "one mass". Mass came later. The big bang theory states that the universe is expanding, not that something was split apart. "Heaven" is just an abstract concept, it doesn't actually exist, and the "earth" at least didn't exist at the beginning. There is nothing about a "universe" either in this verse. Like everything is wrong in here. Considering other creation myths preceding the quran this seems to refer to some "world egg" myth. You know, an egg is cracked open, its shell is split apart, and the world containing heaven and earth hatches from it. It is often combined with the egg laying in the primordial waters of earth. Hence the water in the verse. Also, every five year old has a picture of all living things needing water to survive and grow. Nothing special about that anyways. Quran 51:47 doesn't say that the universe is expanding. It just says that Allah is the expander of the sky/heaven/firmament, not that he is still expanding them or some universe. This is more like heaven's tent spreading until the horizon. Even if this would be - against all odds - some sort of special knowledge: How do you know that Muhammad got it from some god?
@@joerdim You are trying to interprete these verses by misrepresenting them to falsify them to fit your world view. So i will leave you with one thing. Death is garantueed and if you die being insincere you will be among the greatest losers. I invite you to read the Quran for yourself and make the decision yourself.
@@MeteorBoy23 I am just giving what islamic sources say and comparing it with earlier creation myths. And no, I am pointing out the flaws in you trying to fit it your world view. Verses 21:30 and 51:47 have absolutely nothing to do with the big bang theory or anything similar. The point is that you have no method to dismiss my interpretation and instead favor yours. So you are left with: I don't know. Even more, my interpretation is completely reasonable if you compare it to other religions (which are made up by humans). I have read the quran, it's mostly childish and clueless nonsense like the stuff above. "Death is guaranteed." Ok, that's some advanced wisdom. You are the insincere one if you understood what I just said and still consider this quran verse as some sort of proof. Even if some god actually exists your chances to have picked the right religion is almost zero and you wasted your time in this quite short and actually proven life with religious rituals.
I was there that day, These athiest have been in speakers corner before and were destroyed in arguments by i think Hijab or Hamza, This time they did extensive research and wanted to speak to Ali Dawah with their overconfident attitude... Still they failed the argument, credit to Ali Dawah as it was 3 well prepared educated athiests versus 1. After this debate, The guy in the middle with beige camel coat then spoke to Mansur (You can find this video on youtube) and he really really struggles as Mansur easily wins the debate. They are educated men and spoke nicely, i hope they go home and try and learn from this debate.
@@hsvr im not sure. I was beside them in Hyde park when the 3 of them said, "let's go to Ali Dawah". They really did their best to shut down Ali and later Mansur with all this planning beforehand. But you can decide who won argument on this video and Mansurs video titled scientific fairytale mansur v atheist
@@100liakot It's a shame the epicurean paradox isn't brought more often by atheists. There is just no way around it once indeterminism is proven as illogical.
Salaam Alaikum, here's a good video with a Brother explaining the Contingency argument in a different way to an atheist: ruclips.net/video/DFlABzyAVCQ/видео.html
@@atgmaiIdotcom A "god" that mindlessly creates all the possible universes/possibilities can do the job. There is no reason for it to have any of the characteristics added by theists.
@@jass8529 hes saying he cant have infinite biryani and if he has finite biryani there has to be a source of infinite biryani for it to come from so hes dependent on the infinite biryani source
@@dabama7483 no. He's saying universe exists in pieces, cannot be any other way and is finite so it's dependent. But it's not the case because universe can be 'interdependent' as it exists in pieces, it's pieces could be interdependent on each other
The modern atheist takes the same stance as satan towards Adam. Satan said I'm from fire I'm better than Adam. These lads say we have a brain, we're better than worshippers. Arrogance is the root of disbelief
This modern atheist is simply stating there isn't any credible evidence suggesting the existence of a god. It is you who is arrogant asserting a truth that you can't possibly le know.
you can never argue with an atheist period. no matter how much you try, they are just purely ignorant. the only way for them to seek truth is within them selves.
I feel like the definition of "necessity" and "dependency" needed to be addressed more clearly in order for them to move forward with Ali's chain of logic. The contingency argument does not use "necessity" in a moral sense as Alexey was saying but, rather, a physical sense. In other words, X is "necessary" for Y to continue to physically exist. We don't "need" water because of anything to do with morality; it's a physical need.
These guys simply using reverse method they agreed on dependence when it comes to God they simply reverse the logic. Second - when something is made up of composition then it depends on others. And last is all creation depends on one creator (ALLAH).
People think they are “educated” but are really fools. Well done Ali,these3 guys believe they ere genuinely intelligent but I know they second doubted themselves. Your philosophical arguments and furthermore your scientific questioning was fantastic Allahumabarik. Very good points. Also the guy in the middle was shaking his head far too often yet doesn’t know A level physics, make it make sense and act your brain boy.
SubhanAllah, it's crazy how much the 3 guys go in circles with Br Ali even tho he's clearly outlined that the cosmos as a category is contingent and logically requires a non-contingent explanation for it.
all my life ive met atheist of various form..some are smart enough to finally come to realization of the truth.. most are just fools and ignorant..,their goal in life are just justifying whatever right or wrong according to any ways that suites them..moral code was just a form of oppression and imprisonment.....may Allah s.w.t grant guidance to the honest hearts...Aamiin.
@Mosaab twice But that doesnt explain why the god is testing us. Even though he knows everything. and knows how will i end my life. So i really have no choice. Every choice that i make is actually a single choice.
@The Football State I just asked a simple question. If you don't know the answer to it, you shouldn't call me a troll. When the interlocutor does not have an answer, he turns to insults, right?
@The Football State I get the impression that you don't want to talk about an Islamic paradise. Isn't there something already confusing you in the description of the Muslim paradise?
Yes as Atheist believe that 1 does not even exists, so how can we unify the 1 ± 1 together without the science explaining as to why. Just because Neanderthals would inscribe a line on the wall, how can we conceive the idea it meant "1" .
@@basic3496 why are you using 1 + many 1 dollarss to buy a phone from which you are commenting while believing that 1 doesn't exist in first place.. did you get an approval from science first? Lol
@@aishaafzal3730 after many days of collaboration with the fellow peers at the lab. We are till confused by your notion & by our default position SCIENCE is always right.
It’s necessary for the sun to be in our universe for our survival and the earths survivals and the universe. Which means the us, our earth & our universe are dependant on the sun, which is dependant upon the gas’s, chemicals etc it’s made up of. I have proved our universe is a dependant thing through science and logic, what the hell does that have to do with morality 😂😂😂
Finally someone said it. I was exactly thinking this through the whole argument. Felt like a waste of time watching this fools rant like some 5 year old asking same question over and over again. Now my head hurts.
In my life, I have not been jealous of anyone, but I am now jealous of you and the brothers who spread Islam and guide many people to Islam. It is a wonderful feeling I wanted to try, but unfortunately I am in a country that is all Muslims, so I decided to look for a husband and give birth to a son from him quickly. I teach him Islam and send him to debate with you, if he wants. God bless you and may God protect you
@@ajjsisusus2793 I did not envy them and I did not wish for this blessing to disappear from them, but rather my jealousy was with good intentions, and I wished that I would be with them, were it not for fate and circumstances.
@@BrewBun When the interlocutor does not have an answer, he turns to insults, right? I just asked one question without any insults. But for some reason you decided that I was a troll. I'm just interested in hearing the answers of different Muslims to my simple question. I understand that in your understanding, people like me are trolls and Islamophobes, right?
@@davidbagrationi5806 Instead of asking about paradise ask about hell. It's a place where people like you will get grilled. Gain knowledge about the place where you're going to go. You ain't accepting the concept of Islam after having clear answers. Try to learn about the place now of because you've already cut the ticket of hell
Not being rude, the atheist are so confused and all they are doing is emphasising on what confuses them about the universe and their personal takeaway.
"Why cannot the universe simply be" this is hypocrisy and ignorance of the highest level. We marvel and laud our own inventions and designs, whether that is computers, technology, etc. that all takes knowledge, will and power. Where as the universe, which has superior design, order, harmony that is far more complex just came to be from randomness. Just from your sensory abilities - your vision you should not overlook the complexity of our own body. The way cells behave, proteins, etc etc. Contingency argument is not needed. Open your eyes and your inner inclination, as some point you/we will all have difficulty and we will call out to Allah.
_"Where as the universe, which has superior design, order, harmony that is far more complex just came to be from randomness."_ If something as complex as the universe simply had to have a creator then something as complex and powerful as your creator had to have a creator. This is your logic.
@@markh1011 Neo-atheist Daniel Dennet, says, "there is no such thing as philosophy-free Science. There is only Science whose philosophical baggage is taken on board without examination". He speaks of scientists too, which can be understood as scientists who say "we don't have certain beliefs. We have certain knowledge" lie to themselves because there are philosophical assumptions behind their conclusions. Michael Ruse, a famous Atheist evolutionist, has written a book, "Darwin As Religion", published by the Oxford University Press/ he is well published. He has spoken about evolution as an ideology and secular religion as "a full-fledged alternative to Christianity with meaning and morality, evolution is a religion, this was true of evolution in the beginning and it true of evolution still today". You state yourself Science doesn't disprove God. Richard Lewontin and Thomas Nagle (known atheists) basically say they don't want to believe in God. The latter has written a book saying the last half century of materialist neo-Darwin science is almost certainly false. So we have prominent atheists who believe atheism is a religion and do not want to believe in God because they have chosen this view philosophically for their desires/worldview. This view is not proven by the Scientific method - honest Atheists are saying this. For some even if the evidence of God was manifest many will not believe: "And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it], and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allāh should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant. Qur'an 6:111“ Regarding the natural disposition in Islam, we call this the Fitrah. This is not intuition or superstition (True Islam does not anthropomorphise God). It is your original nature, natural religion, primary state, and mould. There are more things in the Fitrah which we believe are from birth. Check out Dr Justin Barrett's studies/articles: "A senior researcher at the University of Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind, following several years of research, claims that young people have the predisposition to believe in a supreme being because they assume that everything in the world was created with a purpose. He says that young children have faith even when they have not been taught about it by family or at school and argues that even those raised alone on a desert island would come to believe in God." In your view, we are naturally born with the incorrect primary state - this does not make sense with evolution/natural selection/philosophical assumptions. In Islam, we believe this primary state can be corrupted without guidance. These arguments about contingency/philosophy will only go around in circles forever as you/we can assume what we want without examination. Many arguments can be made on sense perception alone (to see, hear and reflect) regarding the existence of The Creator for people of all knowledge levels. No intellectual gymnastics needs to be done. Sense perception which is what the Qur'an uses and is incontestable against the philosophical arguments that only exist in the mind and is not specific. For example, the physical phone in your hand reading this message is evidence of the actual tangible true existence of the people who made the phone. You know that these people have the knowledge, will, and power, and the phone has a purpose. So let's take this further with biological cells' organelles that carry out different life processes in plants and animals. Studies/research at Edinburgh University through observation has found these cell processes move coded charged molecules with information and instructions inside their structure, similar to how computers send signals through various circuits. The cell's function is coordinated through a network of nanotubes similar to carbon nanotubes inside a computer microprocessor using electric currents. However, this biological cell network is flexible. It can rapidly reconfigure its output depending on the information received and relayed from the nucleus, which no man-made processor/circuit is capable of doing. A Creator here is self-evident with knowledge, design, will and power. There are many examples like this if you reflect but you deny it. However, we laud our creators who create processors/technology with precision, design, knowledge, will and power that have a purpose. The cell's behaviour is superior, which we can observe, but you say it's from chance/randomness/evolution or something similar. "The creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of mankind, but most of the people do not know. Qur'an 40:57" "And He shows you His signs. Now which of Allah's signs will you deny? Qur'an 40:81" The recording of words is the foundation of knowledge. If something is true/beneficial, it does not matter how old it is. "Being old/long ago" is a poor excuse, and I doubt you have read any Qur'an intending to seek the truth. What you believe are words from someone/a group in the past that is emotionally based on choice, on philosophical ideas of the mind and not based on a valid scientific method. The Bible is not comparable to the Qur'an. They are very different in so many ways. The Qur'an is the highest form of Arabic and is used as an authority of grammar and linguistics. Its composition has been studied by non-Muslims saying it cannot of been orally delivered. How the Qur'an was delivered, preserved, recorded, recited and memorised is unique and free from contradiction. (I bet you will look for one that shows your intentions). "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. Qur'an 4:82" Please do not take offence in my message to you. If you are truthful, you have to admit the atheist position from the atheist above - whatever you believe. I pray that you reflect and be guided. Also, please don't clip my message with short questions or your assumptions, ignoring my points or diverting away; that's the easy way out. Bring some evidence that is not philosophical (not statements like intuition can be wrong, and Qur'an words are old). I understand writing long messages is time-consuming. You may not have that time, and I don't either, but I wanted to deliver the message of Islam. I probably won't reply to anything further, and you don't have to either. However, if you genuinely want to know more about Islam, I am happy to speak to you/continue.
@@Khannonball You wrote a lot and most if seems pointless so I'm trying to skim for comments to respond to. _"So we have prominent atheists who believe atheism is a religion"_ What?! Dennet doesn't say it's a religion. Richard Lewontin and Thomas Nagle don't say it's a religion. You referenced some person who used the word in the title of a book. That doesn't make it a religion. ....i'm waiting for a point. _"The latter has written a book saying the last half century of materialist neo-Darwin science is almost certainly false. "_ ....and? still waiting... _"For some even if the evidence of God was manifest many will not believe:"_ Because the god described by the followers is not an inspiring being. _"In your view, we are naturally born with the incorrect primary state "_ You don't seem to understand my view. I suggest you don't try to summarise it. What's correct and incorrect in your straw man argument?
the idea of him saying that your ideas are moraly inherited itself moraly inherited which cannot be true because it causes the whole way of agument to fall down because every argumet now can be in the future just moraly inherited 😉😉
this video makes it clear how important it is not just to have education and knowledge in our religion islam. It is as imperative to have knowledge of worldly things as science like mathematics, physics, astrophysics, chemistry, biology and other areas such as history, geography, geology etc. and ultimately you have to be very articulate and extremely patient. only with these skills and the existing knowledge can one successfully do dawa inshallah. may Allah bless ali with all his mercy. Ameen ya rab 🤲🏽
"They didn't have sicence" 😂 what is the evidence from the scientific method that disproves God? The atheist position is based on philosophical ideas, emotions and on models that cannot be proved by science and doesn't disprove God. Therfore atheism is a reglion.
_"what is the evidence from the scientific method that disproves God? "_ Almost no one claims that. _" The atheist position is based on philosophical ideas, emotions and on models that cannot be proved by science "_ You don't seem to even understand what the atheist position is.
@@markh1011 Your right, I don't know what the atheist position is becuase there are many that do not agree with each other. Some atheist say themselves it's a reglion. Other say even if there is a God they don't want to believe/they follow their desires. So this is why I say emotional. At the end of the day for each person there is a subjective reason why and that person goes with the reasoning/evidence that appeals to them even if weak. You may say the same about who believe God. So it comes to different levels evidence and how strong that evidence is without doing too much gymnastics. From a Islamic point of view, there is the inate/natural disposition in us that is knowledge built within ourselves that there is God. (there is Oxford studies on children regarding this). Then there is tangible evidence, observations/tests, logic and science. I feel philosophical route is debated to death from both sides, you can always make a weak counter subjective argument. Lastly is revalation/scripture and this to me is most important to believe in God. The Qur'an doesn't use philosophy, I urge you to read it if you haven't and see the questions He asks you.
@@Khannonball _"Some atheist say themselves it's a reglion"_ I know of no atheist who says this. Any atheist who doesn't isn't using the word properly. _"Other say even if there is a God they don't want to believe/they follow their desires. "_ I've also never heard an atheist say that they don't want to believe because they want to follow their desires. _"From a Islamic point of view, there is the inate/natural disposition in us that is knowledge built within ourselves that there is God. "_ Humans are superstitious. Humans anthropomorphise. Human intuition is wrong often. _"Then there is tangible evidence, observations/tests, logic and science. "_ Such as? _"Lastly is revalation/scripture and this to me is most important to believe in God."_ Words in a book from a long time ago. This is no more convincing to me than the bible.
@@markh1011 Neo-atheist Daniel Dennet, says, "there is no such thing as philosophy-free Science. There is only Science whose philosophical baggage is taken on board without examination". He speaks of scientists too, which can be understood as scientists who say "we don't have certain beliefs. We have certain knowledge" lie to themselves because there are philosophical assumptions behind their conclusions. Michael Ruse, a famous Atheist evolutionist, has written a book, "Darwin As Religion", published by the Oxford University Press/ he is well published. He has spoken about evolution as an ideology and secular religion as "a full-fledged alternative to Christianity with meaning and morality, evolution is a religion, this was true of evolution in the beginning and it true of evolution still today". You state yourself Science doesn't disprove God. Richard Lewontin and Thomas Nagle (known atheists) basically say they don't want to believe in God. The latter has written a book saying the last half century of materialist neo-Darwin science is almost certainly false. So we have prominent atheists who believe atheism is a religion and do not want to believe in God because they have chosen this view philosophically for their desires/worldview. This view is not proven by the Scientific method - honest Atheists are saying this. For some even if the evidence of God was manifest many will not believe: "And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it], and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allāh should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant. Qur'an 6:111“ Regarding the natural disposition in Islam, we call this the Fitrah. This is not intuition or superstition (True Islam does not anthropomorphise God). It is your original nature, natural religion, primary state, and mould. There are more things in the Fitrah which we believe are from birth. Check out Dr Justin Barrett's studies/articles: "A senior researcher at the University of Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind, following several years of research, claims that young people have the predisposition to believe in a supreme being because they assume that everything in the world was created with a purpose. He says that young children have faith even when they have not been taught about it by family or at school and argues that even those raised alone on a desert island would come to believe in God." In your view, we are naturally born with the incorrect primary state - this does not make sense with evolution/natural selection/philosophical assumptions. In Islam, we believe this primary state can be corrupted without guidance. These arguments about contingency/philosophy will only go around in circles forever as you/we can assume what we want without examination. Many arguments can be made on sense perception alone (to see, hear and reflect) regarding the existence of The Creator for people of all knowledge levels. No intellectual gymnastics needs to be done. Sense perception which is what the Qur'an uses and is incontestable against the philosophical arguments that only exist in the mind and is not specific. For example, the physical phone in your hand reading this message is evidence of the actual tangible true existence of the people who made the phone. You know that these people have the knowledge, will, and power, and the phone has a purpose. So let's take this further with biological cells' organelles that carry out different life processes in plants and animals. Studies/research at Edinburgh University through observation has found these cell processes move coded charged molecules with information and instructions inside their structure, similar to how computers send signals through various circuits. The cell's function is coordinated through a network of nanotubes similar to carbon nanotubes inside a computer microprocessor using electric currents. However, this biological cell network is flexible. It can rapidly reconfigure its output depending on the information received and relayed from the nucleus, which no man-made processor/circuit is capable of doing. A Creator here is self-evident with knowledge, design, will and power. There are many examples like this if you reflect but you deny it. However, we laud our creators who create processors/technology with precision, design, knowledge, will and power that have a purpose. The cell's behaviour is superior, which we can observe, but you say it's from chance/randomness/evolution or something similar. "The creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of mankind, but most of the people do not know. Qur'an 40:57" "And He shows you His signs. Now which of Allah's signs will you deny? Qur'an 40:81" The recording of words is the foundation of knowledge. If something is true/beneficial, it does not matter how old it is. "Being old/long ago" is a poor excuse, and I doubt you have read any Qur'an intending to seek the truth. What you believe are words from someone/a group in the past that is emotionally based on choice, on philosophical ideas of the mind and not based on a valid scientific method. The Bible is not comparable to the Qur'an. They are very different in so many ways. The Qur'an is the highest form of Arabic and is used as an authority of grammar and linguistics. Its composition has been studied by non-Muslims saying it cannot of been orally delivered. How the Qur'an was delivered, preserved, recorded, recited and memorised is unique and free from contradiction. (I bet you will look for one that shows your intentions). "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. Qur'an 4:82" Please do not take offence in my message to you. If you are truthful, you have to admit the atheist position from the atheist above - whatever you believe. I pray that you reflect and be guided. Also, please don't clip my message with short questions or your assumptions, ignoring my points or diverting away; that's the easy way out. Bring some evidence that is not philosophical (not statements like intuition can be wrong, and Qur'an words are old). I understand writing long messages is time-consuming. You may not have that time, and I don't either, but I wanted to deliver the message of Islam. I probably won't reply to anything further, and you don't have to either. However, if you genuinely want to know more about Islam, I am happy to speak to you/continue.
Mashallah brother Ali. I have goosebumps after watching this video. When you understand the argument being composed from Ali himself, all 3 Atheists were not able to answer to the main argument which was revisited time and time again. They agreed upon the Universe being dependent, they agreed upon the universe changing so it can be composed of pieces, they agreed with the universe not being self sufficient. They even understood the point of infinite not existing, meaning it is finite, allowing them to acknowledge the fact there is a beginning and end, therefore the concept of “nothing” is silly. They agreed with everything Ali said but found stupid ways to get out of saying the truth of “there could be a God” , through points which weren’t relevant to the argument whatsoever. History and Morality which had nothing to do with the point brother Ali was saying. Alhamdullilah this is one of the most beautiful methods of proving existence of an independent deity to an atheist. I have never seen an argument which uses their own logic, reasoning and understanding of science to disprove them. The 3 brothers were respectful throughout and I pray Allah guides them to open their minds and let go of their ego, allowing them to speak what they have just agreed upon with Ali. If anyone can guide them to see the truth and accept it in their heart it is Allah SWT. “Indeed it is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts”. May Allah guide us all onto the right path and keep up steadfast in our deen. Ameen 🤲
I love your comment, it's kind respectful and comes with a good heart even though you don't understand the 3 young men's argument at all , like the Muslim fella in this video also didn't understand either
@@mjhmjh6444really? I thought that was their argument too. That and they think that the laws and logic we're accustomed to don't apply to the universe as a whole because we just can't know. Could you kindly explain if there's anything else?
@@OmairBhamji their points were regarding the universe independence, ali could not understand how the universe can be independent and using his argument he will continue to jump to God , wherever if he fully understands the universe he'd never think it's dependency on anything so therefore there's no need for a magical being to explain. I love the Muslim philosophy but it's based on literal magic and we've never ever seen any real proof of magic
wonderful debate! My understanding in this matter is based on Surah Al-Ikhlas, specifically the last verse: "...Nor is there to Him any equivalent.'" I believe that even our imagination of God cannot be equivalent to Him as an idea. The concept of God transcends comprehension by any being. His attributes, which are infinite in nature and number, are beyond our understanding. We cannot even comprehend the very concept of infinity.
Mashallah your knowledge has really grown to a deep one Ali. Ps the concept of necessity is not one discredited by science, even if you consider science as a series of observations to understand the chain of events that lead to both the state, development and existence of certain entities, all still have physical dependencies. The guy himself explained a time domain is required for a bottle to drop. Therefore time itself is an entity that becomes a necessary principle for the occurrence of anything within our comprehension. Although time itself, to our knowledge, is also the occurance of certain physical events which take place, such as the continuation of the existence of certain entities (atomic clock). Therefore even to establish a consistent time framework we must agree on a recurring and consistent physical change in an entity such as an atom. This in itself demonstrates that time is linked to a definition that suits our ability to observe something replicable and define an absolute entity (as compared to it being largely arbitrary). God is beyond any such physical dependencies or even definitions. Hence why God himself has allowed us to only know certain attributes of him.
@Mosaab twice The perpetually erect penis of Muslims, 72 virgins with appetizing vaginas, beautiful boys, rivers of wine, gold, silk... Is this reliable information or Islamohobic?!
قال رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم -: ((كلمتان خفيفتان على اللسان، ثقيلتان في الميزان، حبيبتان إلى الرحمن: سبحان الله وبحمده، سبحان الله العظيم))؛ متفق عليه
Why is it so hard to understand that the moment we understood that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, For matter to come into existence there must be something out of the bounds of creation that created it. And this was when we were like 10, Such stupidity🤦♂️ May Allah guide them.
Think about this. Ali says that nothing can come from nothing, which means there has to be Allah, Independent and self sufficient. Well if he says the universe can’t come from nothing we’re did god come from. How was allah composed? How did allah evolve?
One problem with these atheists, is that they all seem to have different understandings of why they are atheists. Ali Dawah actually does a good job and follows much more logical steps to establish an argument. Its funny how they first went from saying the arguments were archaic. Then they say outside of this framework things function different. Do they they live in the outside framework?
@@robertjsmith you don't bother believing .. so why bother calling it nonsense.. the evidence for existence of god is enough to believe such given the criterion which for Muslims is the Quran.
ussalaamualaikum brother MashAllah you've come a long way since you started May Allah continue to strengthen you in knowledge and Deen aswell as us all in the Ummah!
How could a universe created independently? Let's just assume it was, but how so perfectly? The three components fussion is why so perfect that we get the required resources, protection so accurately? Did human evolve from animals? The answer is no. Think about it. If we evolve from animals than why did the evolvement did not continued ? Why are we stopped at human? Let's just assume it as an accident too Why aren't we seeing any animal being evolved in 21st century?
There was so much that was proven using logic and not religious belief, but they continued to link the idea to religion. This was a massively circular argument here.
Sure, because religious people try to use this as the foundation to prove the existence of their god. But even if the universe/cosmos actually had a cause (which we cannot demonstrate) then there is no way to make the transition to some god.
Alhamdulilah. I dont know why people support ali so much he is just using religion to make money. He is using his own hypothesis and theory to explain random things, it wouldnt be a wonder if quran is rewritten or modified by these idiots(hijab and ali) in the coming years and imposing their false ideologies on us. these hoodlums are just businessmen using religion to make money. Its haram and against ummah
They told him several times they believed it to be independent, but he keeps asking them what it's dependent on. This is begging the question which they were, very politely, trying to point out to him. The contingency argument suffers the same fatal flaw as the kalam. It is arguing that what is true of the parts must be true of the whole. Or it is arguing that what is true in space-time must be true at the singularity (t=0). This is a logically flawed argument as a result. If scientists don't know the answer of how the universe began it's for damn sure theologians don't!
the atheist is mixing philosophy and science and going back and forth between statements without any argument. the middle guy first accepted the fact that the universe is a necessary existence and necessary existence is not contingent when its certainly by any standards not true especially if you wanna delve into the scientific part of this argument, because the universe can be rearranged into a different manner with different set of composed pieces. universe is dependent on itself in sense that it requires its own composed energy to exist but that energy is not independent as the question poses where the energy came from? but thats not what they argued, they accepted the fact that universe is composed and yet its fallacy on thier behalf that they agreed upon that an independent necessity cannot be composed of different parts. the 2nd thing he kept stating that "necessity is morality" and " very idea of necessity is moral one". if you are trying to say that the concept of necessity came from the idea of morality, if necessity is not a concept in universe, it leads back to the idea of infinite dependency which is not possible, if you say the universe does not know necessity and is an idea birth from our moral value, then universe only knows dependency? thus universe is not independent? its such a vague and stupid statement here and you contradicted yourself and if you meant to say something else, well you provided less information with the statement to begin with. were you trying to show-off or confuse people? Later on you went saying that universe doesnt function on logic created by human world. WHAT THE WHAT? wait so if it transcends beyond logical boundaries of humans, then there is no boundary at all. you rejected the idea of impossible necessity on first plate, you said that there cannot be a triangle with 2 dots. if you believe thst universe operates on a logical level that incomprehensive to human's definition of logic, that doesnt close all possible doors and thus proves universe is non contingent but opens up many more doors which anyone can say anything. one can argue that, our logic in inherently flawed and thus a triangle with 2 dots exists, one can argue a God Who can create impossible triangle with 2 dots exists, one can argue two gods with coexists that can order against each other. thus you believe in impossibility, but you only believe in it when its well versed with your argument. A) either you dont know what you are talking about or B) you do know and intentionally brought the argument to this place by rejection of 3rd point of view of impossible necessity. also you said that universe is expanding infinitely, pls bro dont make your own science. leave science alone if you dont know what you are talking about. we dont know if the universe is expanding infinitely but we assume the universe is expanding into infinity or nothingness, and its all speculation. we can say the expansion rate is faster than speed of light just tells that the big bang was a larger explosion. stephen hawkings in his brief history of time told that this universe might stop expanding after certain time and start cooling and then shrinking. he was a great scientist and this just tells that we believe that universe's expansion rate is not infinite but rather limited. and lol you use science as a referencing ground when even science doesnt knows whats going on behind the scenes. again stephen hawking stated in his book which i mentioned that if one asks me that what was before the big bang, i would say we can never know. and if you really are using science, first go read it before making claims, because a little knowledge of science is misguiding. funfact is, in the qauntam physics, we arent completely out of the idea that if there is consciousness out there. we have observer's effect which says the electron changes its property based on our observation and is thus theorized on universal scale. tho i must insist that its not somthing concrete but just theories and ideas, worth noticing derived from our experiments and how we look the quantum world. you refer science as if its atheistic play ground when its not. and sceince you referred is strictly based on logical human derivate which you used to prove your argument, i see nothing but weak and non sensical arguments linked together by an illogical man. and lastly you stated that necessity is not part of science, ahh no. you are wrong. you see all of our equations assume one thing and one single law and that is 'Conservation of energy' stating ' *energy cannot be created, neither be destroyed and may be transformed from one form to another. the total energy of an isolated system always remains constant* ' this definition is assumed to believe that our calculations are correct which essentially state that energy is basic *independent necessity* which we all our laws depend on. lol you dont even know basic science yet conversion of energy is based on assumption that there is nothing more basic then and you refer science thinking you are smart but you dont even know law of conservation of energy thought in middle school.
Ali to be honest you missed their point. They asked you what your definition was based on. You can ask the question a million times and it will remain unanswered a million times. They kept asking you an equal amount of times what your definition was based on
@@Q8ijin Why? It's not proven that an infinite regress is impossible. It's just a philosophical consideration forged by the extremely limited human mind that can't grasp this concept of infinity. At 11:45 Ali even established himself that they don't agree that the universe is dependent by quoting them.
@@uthman2281 what is your point? Their point was that Ali creates he’s own definitions and super imposes it on the universe. The universe isn’t ran by Ali definitions
TBH this discussion was very good. And the reason being they were actually understanding what he was saying and answering with the amount of logical thinking and knowledge they have, unlike people who jump into arguments with their own point of view and without the patience to hear other person's Argument.
This guy again? Wow, so stubborn, but impressivley persesitant. "So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts." 22:46
I feel like giving them the same answer repeatedly is what's stopping them from understanding our logic. And what I've noticed is that people like Ali sorta denies to flow with others arguments and sticks to his own points. Which obviously ain't the worse style of debating but I personally think that sometimes he should run in others race and chasing them down in their own race with our understanding might be the best way.
@Zakaria Hassan Mohamed For people like us, yes we don't necessarily need to try too hard to convince people but for people like Ali that's like his job to give dawah so for him to do the best thing possible in clearing people's misconception is basically what I was talking about.
@@mdshahriar8 They didn't come to learn. They came to deny the existence of God. How much you give logic they'll deny it and will remain on the process of counter you with different questions. They come to promote Atheism and product of Satan
Assalamualaikum brother the way u explain the truth to the people's is beautiful.I really appreciate it and offcourse our only creator Allah has helped us through quran sharif which has so many sign that the universe has which is enough to challenge the science and quran already had discovered the things that wasn't discovered by any scientist or any technology..... Allah paak bless you 😊
Ali, you should have countered his argument by asking him : but where does this idea of necessity being a moral idea comes from? It comes from atheists trying to justify thier belief of the non-existence of God.
Well, you are saying this too, aren't you? Morality is necessary and objective because it's part of go... wait. Better ignore this, right? I am an atheist and I believe that morality is entirely subjective. It depends on the goal. If my goal is well-being of human kind then there are objective assessments to derive from this goal. Like eating poison or poisoning others is a no no. Some god doesn't solve this problem, it's still about what the individual thinks is right or wrong to do. If you are just obedient and blindly following orders when doing good things then you are not acting moral. The fact that I don't believe in a god doesn't have too much to do with this. It's just that "arguments" like the contingency argument simply don't work to prove the existence of a god.
@@joerdim no, i didn't say that, I am not discussing morality, morality was raised by the atheist, which is funny how atheists always talking about morality trying to make it part of thier ideology when they don't even have the basis for morality. Honest atheists admitted that but most of the fake atheists nowadays try to come with the most absurd justifications to stick to morality such as deriving objective morality from subjective ideas. And this " some " gods is a hilarious thought, especially when there is only one God , you realise that we r Muslims here don't u? As for following orders doesn't make you moral , says who? Who is moral ; the one who act morally or the one who think morally, that is if I am to concede that religion is just following orders which I don't. Also if you think that contingency argument doesn't prove God existence then disprove it or answer Ali's questions instead of just telling us your belief, I can simply say that u don't understand this argument, most atheists don't from what I have seen so far.
@@andydufresne4444 I know you aren't saying that right now. This is why I am asking. But nice dodge. I literally just explained to you why this is the basis of ALL morality. The one who is acting based on his morals is acting morally. If you rob a bank because you gain something from it (a nice afterlife) when someone (god) orders you to do it because he thinks it's immoral that money is in the hands of corrupt banks, who is acting moral then? Yes, NOT the one who is just following orders and gains something from it. The contingency argument TRIES to prove that the universe/cosmos had a CAUSE. Even if we would grant a cause, then there is still absolutely no way to make a transition to some god with this. This is why Ali tries to dishonestly smuggle in the word "being" as it implies a thinking agent. But since it seems that time wasn't a thing "before" the universe a cause is nonsensical anyways. This is why they keep saying that the argument is based on ancient ideas when people derived from the conditions on earth that time and space have always and everywhere been a thing. Prove that some god exists, then prove that only one god exists and then prove that this one god is your god. You just made it even harder for yourself. Btw, it doesn't matter at all what some Atheists say as there is not a common doctrine among Atheists. Lots of Atheists are not sceptics and all theists aren't either.
@@joerdim there is no basis for morality in an atheist world, so stop pushing your opinion as if it is a fact. And stop making up scenarios and judge religions according to them just to build a case for your crumbling ideas, God doesn't order people to rob banks , however , an atheist who doesn't rob a bank and live a nice life because of some subjective morals is plain stupid , why would I care for the society if there is no God ? And those morals u acting as if u invented them are derived from religion and from God as the ultimate source of morality, you r made a moral being by God ,that's why you are sticking to morality instead of living your " only" life as a chemical dirt doing whatever pleases you.In the real world religious people act morally even if they didn't believe in morality , atheists would act immorally if they didn't believe in morality so which better for the society? And we can prove that the independent being or thing is God by extra reasoning and proofs, we can know that he has power , knowledge, will from reflecting upon the universe, and by seeing that every thing has purpose then we must do, we call this independent thing God because of the revelations the Prophet had and to disprove God you need to disprove the Prophets, simple. In any case ,call it God or thing ,this destroy the atheistic idea that the universe came from nothing or it is eternal. And you didn't disprove it, you just made a theory of why people came up with this argument convincing yourself that it only works within the realm of religion when it is a logical argument works within the realm of the brain, so disprove it logically instead of hiding behind lame theories.
Ok great… but Ali, you need to let others talk!! You posit your argument and repeat it many times but when they attempt to respond, you interrupt and ignore their questions on your definition that they don’t seem to accept. They have been incredibly patient with you..I wouldn’t have! (even though I agree with you😂! ). In an argument like this, there has to be an agreement on a premise or definition that you can then build on. It’s obvious they don’t agree with the argument of something being made of pieces as proof of dependency… so that’s where you should debate, on what you mean by that and why would something made of pieces be dependent before moving on. They were trying to ask you but you kept repeating yourself, demanding to be heard, and then interrupting them when they had questions. I respect your attempts and my comment is only constructive criticism… 💕
He means that the necessity claim was made up in philosophy to explain morality. You are right that it is a social construct. He was just pointing out the origins of the argument that Ali and lots of other theists try to misuse as a way to explain actual existence.
@@davidbagrationi5806 oh the houris You know the same way you go around sleeping with women in this world You can enjoy your houris in this world You Christians/ atheists go around sleeping with 20 women so your houris were in this world, In the next world believers will have beautiful women made by God it is mentioned that looking at them will put you in awe for 40 years, Also they say that if a hourun was to come to earth All the men in this world would have a war over her Why do you want to sleep around with multiple women in this world when God promises you a spouse that will be even more beautiful every time u see her
Sorry, but, looking at all the mathematical miracles in the Qur'an, and experiencing the most unlikely of coincidences, have rooted me in Islam. You can't deny it. Truth shall not be rejected.
@@maxstriker9839 At one point all religions had the truth before their corruption. None makes the claim that it will be preserved by God except Islam. If I claim 1 + 1 = 2 but then add 1 + 1 = 2, + 1 = 2 am I still correct? Atheism is a belief like another other that assumes human nature leads us to fabricate a higher being for morality. However, there is far more evidence for the contrary; that God exists and humans have continually deviated from the truth and messengers had to be sent again and again. Islam gives the explanation from Adam (AS), origin of humanity, and explains how polytheism came to fruition. I would encourage you to learn about Islam, but first pledge to yourself to be sincere and then ask God to guide you to the truth.
@@sazzadahmed2297 I didn't say God doesn't exist I am just saying you can't prove religion is made by God and no way in hell you prove Islam is the only true religion
@@maxstriker9839 You can't have contrarian things and say you believe in them all. Hinduism like all religions from God held the truth, started as monotheistic, but it has deviated from it. They worship idols and revere prophets as deities when the only force in existence that is a deity is God alone. Allah is explicit that this is shirk and even in Hindu scripture it says God has no images. You could say all religions from God were true but that does not mean they remained true. Rather than think of it like God made religion, think of it like humans always had the truth (what we describe as religion) from ADAM (AS) but mankind deviated from worshipping and God's commandments and Shaitan gradually worked at corrupting them over generations, until they performed customs unacceptable for God for reasons and origins they didn't understand. One faced with the truth they get defensive and say "This is what generations before us have done, are you calling us fools?". It is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts. They let ego supersede their belief in God, and sincerity in pleasing God, even when God graces us with the truth. No other religion claims their scripture is directly written from the words of God, as Allah did not make the claim for other religions until the last of the messengers sent by God. It's important to note God's message was always with society even if majority had deviated from it. Those who haven't got the message would be tried on Judgement Day to see if they would have accepted the truth. In this way there are lessons for mankind from the societies of the past before the last of messengers. The bodies of the sinners will testify against them in the Day of Recompense for what they used to do, and no one will thrown into the hellfire except they are convinced of their earning. Even though Prophet Muhammad (SAW) spoke the truth and had many hadiths of advice for Muslims, the Qu'ran is filled with only the revelations and passages of Allah which had more eloquence than any poet can compose in Arabian society. A society with many words to describe a thing, and many poets. The authentic chains of hadith are better documented than many scriptures and recorded history, and the Qu'ran supersedes that in oral tradition as well as written tradition. Overall I recommend you watch the Stories of the Prophets starting with ADAM (AS). This channel goes a bit more in depth with the lessons rather than just the story which I would recommend if you're interested ruclips.net/video/CTHj0JDey1w/видео.html
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By the way contingency argument was first made by Ibn Sina in 10th century not 14th century.
Irish Times wrote an article on that.
@@blackpanthar906 As salam u alaikum yeah but we don’t take his style of it and many scholars have called him a disbeliever. We use the contingency argument to prove Allah swt exists not just any deity. 😊
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Premise no 1:
The universe is composed upon a set of interdependent things/pieces/parts...
There's nothing within the universe is independent/self sufficient...
Premise no 2 :
A set which composed upon interdependent things cannot survive with it's own
Therefore Conclusion :
The Universe is dependent which depends upon an Independent, self sufficient being.
You're finished 🔚🏁 .....
@@AliDawah That's strange, Ibn Sina was quite a devout Muslim much as I read about him, he made that argument to prove God's existance to athiests.
@@aa-up4sf He didn't run. I saw the video, it was crazy. He got some serious balls to be there.
Ali: "What is 2 times 2?"
Guy in the middle: "Where does multiplication come from and can you define it?"
History lesson and morality
That's like Jordan Peterson " what do you mean by "what""
You make me really laugh buddy 😂
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@@BoleDaPole 😂😂 that’s made me say, "what? ".😂😂
“Your argument is not right because it’s old” has to be the lamest point an atheist has ever made 😂
Exactly 😂 that one was funny
It almost gave colonial superiority lol
Maybe, just MAYBE prophets were guided to unify humans because otherwise they'd go astray (current state)
This wasn't exclusive to the past nor will it be obsolete in the future
And you say, contingency and cosmological arguments are the latest theist argument? 😅😅
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What is your argument?
@@aadiitalks nobody claimed that. Is it the age or the validity of an argument which makes it reasonable? There are arguments formulated in the antiquity. Are they invalid because of their age?
@@xpacnwo2000 🤣😂 what does that have to do with anything, im pretty sure it isnt so what? lmao
The guy on the right spoke in a way like he was trying to understand Ali's argument and then provide a counter argument. Very sensible young man. The fellow in the middle on the other hand came off as very, very arrogant, cocky, and over confident. Props to Ali.
Yes! I felt the same way as you on this.
I used to be just like these guys…. When you’re that age you feel like you know better than everyone else, about everything. If you notice the smugness on their faces you can always tell who’s an atheist just by that
@Cracxy I prefer Christians because we at least have a similar foundation to start off of and build up to our differences while atheists are devoid of spirituality and far more stubborn
True, I also didn't like the occasional smugness. But this doesn't make Ali right. And that's what matters.
Alhamdulilah. I dont know why people support ali so much he is just using religion to make money. He is using his own hypothesis and theory to explain random things, it wouldnt be a wonder if quran is rewritten or modified by these idiots(hijab and ali) in the coming years and imposing their false ideologies on us. these hoodlums are just businessmen using religion to make money. Its haram and against ummah
@@Salam-qx1qv I’ll be honest Brother I’m a Christian and I’ve been trying to learn more about Islam, Is it alright for me to ask what are some of the things that make you disagree with Ali, and your criticisms of him?
@Cracxy you saying trash how many christians have you talked to?
Stfu u and ali
Trying so hard to tell the world Islam is the right religion🤮🤮🤮
I am not gonna lie. Ali Dawah, from the ends; just went head to head with some young brains who are clearly highly educated who pride and believe themselves to be that way - and Ali smashed the arrogance out of them intellectually.
Damn right! Well done Ali.
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Atheists have much more diverse beliefs since they’re more open to new ideas/understandings. It was inevitable that they would have some disagreements because of this. My problem with religion, in general, is the sheer amount of factors that are universally agreed on in a specific religion. The belief its self that something can be entirely truthful is the very reason many cults and groups have lead to the mass suicide of innocent people. While it can have benefits like living “moral” lives it can also have great dangers. Countless studies have shown that people are more likely to change their opinions based on what the majority believes even if they are certain it is wrong. I’m not saying things like family and community are the reason everyone becomes religious because i know people who have experienced things that they consider to be proof of gods existence. My point is, leaning towards the majority isn’t always safe and beliefs can be very easily manipulated under the right circumstances either intentionally or not. Theres no certain way to know weather anything is true which is why i choose to believe in what i think is most logically accurate (based on the information available to me).
@@takuma359 cults are different from religion.
@@SM-rf4vr i never said they were the same. Cults are just extremist versions of ideologies normally associated with religion.
I couldnt stop laughing when ali told the middle one to not give him a history lesson 😂😂
Love you ali man haha
A history lesson is somewhat important on this, because it shows why these people back then made assumptions based on a heavily flawed understanding of the world.
@@joerdim Nice that you mention, the islam wasn’t brought to the muslims only that time it came to the World. There are verses in the quran that let us muslim know when the day of judgement will be after signs the prophet told us and God in the quran. How can i think that this is a flawed World back than ? The prophet even told the muslims wich hand they need to use to eat. The islam is a complete religion and islam is not getting old only more known because the quran speaks for itself. Try reading it :)
@@cobracobraaa Oh, signs... sure. Like in astrology and EVERY OTHER religion out there. Yeah, this is really special. Yawn.
Muhammad said that some boy among them will not grow old until Judgement Day arrives. Guess what? The boy is dead since way over one thousand years.
I can also tell you what hand to eat with. What is this? Btw, can Islam tell me about traffic regulations?
I have already read it. The quran is mostly clueless childish nonsense.
@@joerdim islam could tell you about respect and cautiousness which are the basis of traffic regulations. Btw saying the quran is childish and clueless is one of the most ignorent things to say. I also don’t know anything about astrology, believing in that is haram btw wich Means not permissible in islam, matter of fact its shirk en its the biggest sin. Dont be comparing astrology with relgions.
@@Flex-cx7uj It's not "western countries". 😅 It is scientific research and simply what the historical evidence shows.
The scientific method is WAY older. You could even say it is as old as humanity. What do you mean by "motion of light"? Even some old greeks already had a picture of light moving with a finite velocity towards the eye. Hygiene has been practiced differently everywhere. Rules to can also be found everywhere. The medieval islamic world just drew on existing rules and got updated again by others later. Like EVERY SINGLE high technology we have today has absolutely nothing to do with the islamic world. Islam mostly just conquered other countries and adapted their scientific discoveries.
" it's the hearts the are that are blind not the eyes "
I am blind. My caretaker typed the message on my behalf. So rude
I like Imran Khan because he allows racism in Palistan but he acts like he will help the people.
@@jacobmanzoor1897 I like how he/she is so political aware, tell them that I said keep it up 😁
The foolish reject what they see, not what they think
The wise reject what they think not what they see
@@jacobmanzoor1897 no offense brother but u took a 3th grader as your caretaker cus he said its not the eyes that are blind its the hearts so he wasnt mentioning u by any mean have nice day brother peace
SubhanAllah, brother Ali, you've improved your knowledge over the years! Proud of you.
Besides Saudi Arabia, businesses based in the United Arab Emirates provide "significant funds" for the Afghan Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network according to one US embassy cable released by Wikileaks.[189] According to a January 2010 US intelligence report, "two senior Taliban fundraisers" had regularly travelled to the UAE, where the Taliban and Haqqani networks laundered money through local front companies.[187] (The reports complained of weak financial regulation and porous borders in the UAE, but not difficulties in persuading UAE officials of terrorist danger.) Kuwait was described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups, whose government was concerned about terror attacks on its own soil, but "less inclined to take action against Kuwait-based financiers and facilitators plotting attacks" in our countries.[187] Kuwait refused to ban the Society of the Revival of Islamic Heritage, which the US had designated a terrorist entity in June 2008 for providing aid to al-Qaida and affiliated groups, including LeT.[187] According to the cables, "overall level" of counter-terror co-operation with the U.S. was "considered the worst in the region".[187] More recently, in late 2014, US Vice President also complained "the Saudis, the Emirates" had "poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of tons of weapons" into Syria for "al-Nusra, and al-Qaeda, and the extremist elements of jihadis."[167]
In October 2014 Zacarias Moussaoui, an Al-Qaeda member imprisoned in the US testified under oath that members of the Saudi royal family supported al Qaeda. According to Moussaoui, he was tasked by Osama bin Laden with creating a digital database to catalog al Qaeda's donors, and that donors he entered into the database including several members of the Saudi Royal family, including Prince Turki al-Faisal Al Saud, former director-general of Saudi Arabia's Foreign Intelligence Service and ambassador to the United States, and others he named in his testimony. Saudi government representatives have denied the charges. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, while it is possible that charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to al Qaeda, and "Saudi Arabia has long been considered the primary source of al Qaeda funding, ... we have found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization."[190]
As of 2014, “deep-pocket donors and charitable organizations” in the Arabian gulf, are still providing "millions of dollars worth of aid to Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, according to David S. Cohen, the US Department of Treasury under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence at the time.[191]
@@Salam-qx1qv the Saudi's get their Arms from Britain
@@robertjsmith …And Pakistan from US
Tell me please - where does the path of Muslims lead?
@@davidbagrationi5806 Sufism oneness with God not sure about the other lot
people will overcomplicate simple things just so it fits their narrative
Excatly 😂
It would be great if they even could fit their narratives but they couldn't. They are asking questions but when Ali asked questions they didn't have any answers 😂
they were literally telling that ali was doing that while they didnt realize they were
100% correct
Yeah why do Muslims obfuscate and have confirmation bias?
I wish I could debate as good as Ali mashallah may allah grant us all jannah
you can, if you are determined you will learn and maybe be better than him InshaAllah. Share the knowledge you have on Islam and learn more over time
It can be done! Yes! But haha i am a horrible speaker😂 if i were to do dawah like brother Ali i would make islam look bad😢😢
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Guy in the middle 10 years later: "What is necessity my friend?" 😂😂
Your friend
Guy in the middle 20 years later: What is a guy in the middle?
Ali should have asked him what is what?
We have to ask ourselves what the n in necessity means and why it's necessary.
@Muslims remember Apostacy Day 22nd of August difference is...my religion doesn't allow me to bash other religions, and I was raised to respect everybody and not fight fire with fire.
So you continue spreading whatever you like..just don't claim you fear any type of God when you mock people who worship the same creator.
In films, the intellectual seems to be atheist, and the believer has blind faith; in the real world, the atheist has blind faith, and the believer appears to be the intellectual.
So true
Both simplified versions of reality. What matters is that religion has no evidence and suffers from the epicurean paradox.
@@jonatand2045 the epicurean paradox is one of the weakest arguments against religion and God ngl 😭
@@atgmaiIdotcom So how does an all good, omniscient and all powerful god end up creating evil?
@@jonatand2045 Defying God is the origin of sin. Again, it’s a test that we agreed to have after seeing Heaven AND Hell.
“And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned.” (21:35)
“Let’s listen to learn, not listen to reply” is an important lesson to learn. Props to this man 👍🏾
Dude, this guy never listen to learn, he never listen, he only talks, and choose what he listens to to reply
"what is necessity" the guys still in the park at 3am asking the question hahahaha May Allah guide them
Props to this man and people like him who are continuously getting Good deeds done everyday. Imagine the amount of people converting after watching these videos! MASHALLAH brother. May ALLAH bless u more.
Alhamdulilah. I dont know why people support ali so much he is just using religion to make money. He is using his own hypothesis and theory to explain random things, it wouldnt be a wonder if quran is rewritten or modified by these idiots(hijab and ali) in the coming years and imposing their false ideologies on us. these hoodlums are just businessmen using religion to make money.
Hopefully none
Muhammad never followed Jesus ,,,
Jesus- live by sword perish by sword
Muhammed- lived killed forced conversions by sword
Jesus - only adultery is grounds for divorce
Muhammed - lusted after and got his adopted son to divorce his wife so he could have her
Quran- stand firm on books sent before
Bible - trust no other gospel
Quran- king of kings worse on judgement/ resurrection day
Bible- Jesus is king of kings
Quran - dis/unbelievers have kuffar on foreheads
Bible- GOD’s people will have his name marked on their foreheads
Where does the path of Muslims lead?
@@davidbagrationi5806 The pleasure of our ONE God. No other religion makes as much sense, nor is it even remotely cleaner in authenticity than Islam.
@@RR-om3zx Tell me please - What is a islamic paradise? Thank you
He speaks very clearly and his sentences are so proper! He has a perfect answer for everything.
Absolutely the most liked thing❤
@@MilitantAntiAtheism
Why not?
What is your point?
@@MilitantAntiAtheism
If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to know how to frame an argument. Muslims worship black stone is a false claim.
@@MilitantAntiAtheism
If you are looking for paganism I can show you what real paganism is. Believing in human sacrifice is paganism.
@@MilitantAntiAtheism this has to be the most irrational statement I have ever read. Islam and paganism in the same phrase ?
Muslims worshiping a stone ?
Pagan god lah ?
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Imagine giving up eternal life of happiness, contentment, joy and trading that with eternal life of pain and suffering just because of your ego.
Prove that this eternal life exists. Otherwise nobody is aware of anything that's given up.
@@joerdim ''Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart?1 And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?'' (Quran 21:30).
A man in Arabia 1400 years ago couldnt known that our universe was once a singularity and then expanded
(which it still is expanding. In the Quran 51:47 Allah says ''We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺'')
And then Allah says ''and we created from water every living thing'' We now know that the most fundemental life form in any organism are cells and cells are made out of partly water. Therefore all life was created from water as a basic ingredient of life.
All this was recently discovered by science to be facts not more than 100 years ago. It being written 1400 years ago is proof of the prophethood of Mohammed peace be upon him.
This is clear proof that God exists, Islam, the afterlife and the day of judgement are true.
@@MeteorBoy23 There is nothing about a singularity in this verse and a singularity is not "one mass". Mass came later. The big bang theory states that the universe is expanding, not that something was split apart. "Heaven" is just an abstract concept, it doesn't actually exist, and the "earth" at least didn't exist at the beginning. There is nothing about a "universe" either in this verse. Like everything is wrong in here.
Considering other creation myths preceding the quran this seems to refer to some "world egg" myth. You know, an egg is cracked open, its shell is split apart, and the world containing heaven and earth hatches from it. It is often combined with the egg laying in the primordial waters of earth. Hence the water in the verse.
Also, every five year old has a picture of all living things needing water to survive and grow. Nothing special about that anyways.
Quran 51:47 doesn't say that the universe is expanding. It just says that Allah is the expander of the sky/heaven/firmament, not that he is still expanding them or some universe. This is more like heaven's tent spreading until the horizon.
Even if this would be - against all odds - some sort of special knowledge: How do you know that Muhammad got it from some god?
@@joerdim You are trying to interprete these verses by misrepresenting them to falsify them to fit your world view.
So i will leave you with one thing. Death is garantueed and if you die being insincere you will be among the greatest losers. I invite you to read the Quran for yourself and make the decision yourself.
@@MeteorBoy23 I am just giving what islamic sources say and comparing it with earlier creation myths.
And no, I am pointing out the flaws in you trying to fit it your world view. Verses 21:30 and 51:47 have absolutely nothing to do with the big bang theory or anything similar. The point is that you have no method to dismiss my interpretation and instead favor yours. So you are left with: I don't know. Even more, my interpretation is completely reasonable if you compare it to other religions (which are made up by humans).
I have read the quran, it's mostly childish and clueless nonsense like the stuff above.
"Death is guaranteed." Ok, that's some advanced wisdom. You are the insincere one if you understood what I just said and still consider this quran verse as some sort of proof.
Even if some god actually exists your chances to have picked the right religion is almost zero and you wasted your time in this quite short and actually proven life with religious rituals.
Knowledge wise, it almost seemed like “Ali” is speaking to 3 kids 😂😂
No. The closest guy gave the best assessment of the four.
may Allah bless us all with Islam until our death and ease the pain of those brothers and sisters out there suffering .Ameen
Ameen.
As someone who's not British, these guys look very stereotypical British. Just how I would imagine a British person if I was asked to 😂
These are rich white boys, most white boys aren't rich, aren't as weak and stiff. These guys are rare..
I was there that day, These athiest have been in speakers corner before and were destroyed in arguments by i think Hijab or Hamza, This time they did extensive research and wanted to speak to Ali Dawah with their overconfident attitude... Still they failed the argument, credit to Ali Dawah as it was 3 well prepared educated athiests versus 1. After this debate, The guy in the middle with beige camel coat then spoke to Mansur (You can find this video on youtube) and he really really struggles as Mansur easily wins the debate. They are educated men and spoke nicely, i hope they go home and try and learn from this debate.
@@hsvr im not sure. I was beside them in Hyde park when the 3 of them said, "let's go to Ali Dawah". They really did their best to shut down Ali and later Mansur with all this planning beforehand. But you can decide who won argument on this video and Mansurs video titled scientific fairytale mansur v atheist
@@100liakot It's a shame the epicurean paradox isn't brought more often by atheists. There is just no way around it once indeterminism is proven as illogical.
@@jonatand2045 Just read it and it's a pretty smart loophole. Evil is a moral adjective to begin with.
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They believe it is more than an adjective because god.
I finally have some understanding of the contingency argument, thanks Ali
Salaam Alaikum, here's a good video with a Brother explaining the Contingency argument in a different way to an atheist: ruclips.net/video/DFlABzyAVCQ/видео.html
Problem with the contingency argument is that it can't prove that whatever is necessary is a being or that it is like a god of any religion.
@@jonatand2045 Yes, it can. The next part of the conversation is understanding why there is order in the universe (physics)
@@atgmaiIdotcom A "god" that mindlessly creates all the possible universes/possibilities can do the job. There is no reason for it to have any of the characteristics added by theists.
@@jonatand2045 Do you have proof that mindlessness can do the job?
Ali the Atheist Slayer ☠️ 😂 That example with Biryani about ‘infinity’ made my day. Jazākumullāhu khayr
افضل الصلاة والسلام على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم
No 🤡he just defined dependency by himself
@@jass8529 hes saying he cant have infinite biryani and if he has finite biryani there has to be a source of infinite biryani for it to come from so hes dependent on the infinite biryani source
@@dabama7483 no. He's saying universe exists in pieces, cannot be any other way and is finite so it's dependent.
But it's not the case because universe can be 'interdependent' as it exists in pieces, it's pieces could be interdependent on each other
@@dabama7483 why there has to be a source of infinite biryani?
This is how it should be, be calm, even if they disagree..
The modern atheist takes the same stance as satan towards Adam. Satan said I'm from fire I'm better than Adam. These lads say we have a brain, we're better than worshippers. Arrogance is the root of disbelief
This modern atheist is simply stating there isn't any credible evidence suggesting the existence of a god. It is you who is arrogant asserting a truth that you can't possibly le know.
I love how kids can go to some post secondary school and come out thinking they know literally everything. Mashallah
you can never argue with an atheist period. no matter how much you try, they are just purely ignorant. the only way for them to seek truth is within them selves.
Pray for Palestine Afghanistan Chechnya dagestan Somalia Nigeria Bosnia Kashmir Iraq Pakistan India Yemen CAR and other lands Muslims are oppressed.
Pray for the ummah
Pray for israel
@@Lilcousinbruva323 what for tho
I feel like the definition of "necessity" and "dependency" needed to be addressed more clearly in order for them to move forward with Ali's chain of logic. The contingency argument does not use "necessity" in a moral sense as Alexey was saying but, rather, a physical sense. In other words, X is "necessary" for Y to continue to physically exist. We don't "need" water because of anything to do with morality; it's a physical need.
These guys simply using reverse method they agreed on dependence when it comes to God they simply reverse the logic.
Second - when something is made up of composition then it depends on others.
And last is all creation depends on one creator (ALLAH).
People think they are “educated” but are really fools. Well done Ali,these3 guys believe they ere genuinely intelligent but I know they second doubted themselves. Your philosophical arguments and furthermore your scientific questioning was fantastic Allahumabarik. Very good points. Also the guy in the middle was shaking his head far too often yet doesn’t know A level physics, make it make sense and act your brain boy.
Sad when people are highly educated but cannot use simple logic and common sense.
Br Ali is too patient 😂
SubhanAllah, it's crazy how much the 3 guys go in circles with Br Ali even tho he's clearly outlined that the cosmos as a category is contingent and logically requires a non-contingent explanation for it.
Ask them: Prove that there's no God 😏
Ali Diarrhea Is looking very gay 😍❤
@@lionheart4552 tf?
Burdon of proof fallacy
all my life ive met atheist of various form..some are smart enough to finally come to realization of the truth.. most are just fools and ignorant..,their goal in life are just justifying whatever right or wrong according to any ways that suites them..moral code was just a form of oppression and imprisonment.....may Allah s.w.t grant guidance to the honest hearts...Aamiin.
@Mosaab twice But that doesnt explain why the god is testing us. Even though he knows everything. and knows how will i end my life. So i really have no choice. Every choice that i make is actually a single choice.
Masha Allah, i never knew Ali had this much wisdom. 😇👍🏻
Tell me please - where does the path of Muslims lead?
@The Football State Why did you decide that?
@The Football State I just asked a simple question. If you don't know the answer to it, you shouldn't call me a troll. When the interlocutor does not have an answer, he turns to insults, right?
@The Football State I get the impression that you don't want to talk about an Islamic paradise. Isn't there something already confusing you in the description of the Muslim paradise?
@The Football State ☺️
Ali Dawah : 1 + 1 = 2
Athiest : OmG thats such an old argument ... come on ... lets leave the past behind and move on . So old fashioned.
lol
Yes as Atheist believe that 1 does not even exists, so how can we unify the 1 ± 1 together without the science explaining as to why. Just because Neanderthals would inscribe a line on the wall, how can we conceive the idea it meant "1" .
@@basic3496 why are you using 1 + many 1 dollarss to buy a phone from which you are commenting while believing that 1 doesn't exist in first place.. did you get an approval from science first? Lol
@@aishaafzal3730 after many days of collaboration with the fellow peers at the lab. We are till confused by your notion & by our default position SCIENCE is always right.
Confused? I thought you were so sure :D
@@aishaafzal3730 He is sure that he's a troll and must be one of the guy from atheists of this vdo😂😂
It’s necessary for the sun to be in our universe for our survival and the earths survivals and the universe. Which means the us, our earth & our universe are dependant on the sun, which is dependant upon the gas’s, chemicals etc it’s made up of. I have proved our universe is a dependant thing through science and logic, what the hell does that have to do with morality 😂😂😂
Finally someone said it. I was exactly thinking this through the whole argument. Felt like a waste of time watching this fools rant like some 5 year old asking same question over and over again. Now my head hurts.
Exacly they just can‘t accept that he is right
In my life, I have not been jealous of anyone, but I am now jealous of you and the brothers who spread Islam and guide many people to Islam. It is a wonderful feeling I wanted to try, but unfortunately I am in a country that is all Muslims, so I decided to look for a husband and give birth to a son from him quickly. I teach him Islam and send him to debate with you, if he wants. God bless you and may God protect you
You should not be jealous this whole Dunya was made from jealousy
@@ajjsisusus2793 I did not envy them and I did not wish for this blessing to disappear from them, but rather my jealousy was with good intentions, and I wished that I would be with them, were it not for fate and circumstances.
@@basmaamal2940 thank you ok I undertsnad
@@ajjsisusus2793 😁😁don't pretend to pardon
@@ajjsisusus2793 And you're the product of jealousy right 😂😂
To all the nerds, Infinite ≠ Expanding. Infinite is just there. You can't decrease or increase it or else it is on a scale which isn't Infinite.
Dude in the middle is so full of himself and his ego was too fragile for Ali to beat him in a debate😭
I like Ali's style, his debates are always entertaining and his arguments are logical and to the point
Tell me please - where does the path of Muslims lead?
@@davidbagrationi5806 heaven
@@davidbagrationi5806 Tell me where a troll like you comes from and how much money do you make by trolling? 😂😂😂
@@BrewBun
When the interlocutor does not have an answer, he turns to insults, right?
I just asked one question without any insults. But for some reason you decided that I was a troll. I'm just interested in hearing the answers of different Muslims to my simple question. I understand that in your understanding, people like me are trolls and Islamophobes, right?
@@davidbagrationi5806 Instead of asking about paradise ask about hell. It's a place where people like you will get grilled. Gain knowledge about the place where you're going to go. You ain't accepting the concept of Islam after having clear answers. Try to learn about the place now of because you've already cut the ticket of hell
Not being rude, the atheist are so confused and all they are doing is emphasising on what confuses them about the universe and their personal takeaway.
"Why cannot the universe simply be" this is hypocrisy and ignorance of the highest level. We marvel and laud our own inventions and designs, whether that is computers, technology, etc. that all takes knowledge, will and power. Where as the universe, which has superior design, order, harmony that is far more complex just came to be from randomness. Just from your sensory abilities - your vision you should not overlook the complexity of our own body. The way cells behave, proteins, etc etc. Contingency argument is not needed. Open your eyes and your inner inclination, as some point you/we will all have difficulty and we will call out to Allah.
_"Where as the universe, which has superior design, order, harmony that is far more complex just came to be from randomness."_
If something as complex as the universe simply had to have a creator then something as complex and powerful as your creator had to have a creator.
This is your logic.
@@markh1011 I have replied to this in your other reply/comment above.
@@Khannonball What was your response? I don't see it.
@@markh1011 Neo-atheist Daniel Dennet, says, "there is no such thing as philosophy-free Science. There is only Science whose philosophical baggage is taken on board without examination". He speaks of scientists too, which can be understood as scientists who say "we don't have certain beliefs. We have certain knowledge" lie to themselves because there are philosophical assumptions behind their conclusions.
Michael Ruse, a famous Atheist evolutionist, has written a book, "Darwin As Religion", published by the Oxford University Press/ he is well published. He has spoken about evolution as an ideology and secular religion as "a full-fledged alternative to Christianity with meaning and morality, evolution is a religion, this was true of evolution in the beginning and it true of evolution still today".
You state yourself Science doesn't disprove God. Richard Lewontin and Thomas Nagle (known atheists) basically say they don't want to believe in God.
The latter has written a book saying the last half century of materialist neo-Darwin science is almost certainly false.
So we have prominent atheists who believe atheism is a religion and do not want to believe in God because they have chosen this view philosophically for their desires/worldview. This view is not proven by the Scientific method - honest Atheists are saying this. For some even if the evidence of God was manifest many will not believe:
"And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it], and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allāh should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant. Qur'an 6:111“
Regarding the natural disposition in Islam, we call this the Fitrah. This is not intuition or superstition (True Islam does not anthropomorphise God). It is your original nature, natural religion, primary state, and mould. There are more things in the Fitrah which we believe are from birth. Check out Dr Justin Barrett's studies/articles:
"A senior researcher at the University of Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind, following several years of research, claims that young people have the predisposition to believe in a supreme being because they assume that everything in the world was created with a purpose. He says that young children have faith even when they have not been taught about it by family or at school and argues that even those raised alone on a desert island would come to believe in God."
In your view, we are naturally born with the incorrect primary state - this does not make sense with evolution/natural selection/philosophical assumptions.
In Islam, we believe this primary state can be corrupted without guidance.
These arguments about contingency/philosophy will only go around in circles forever as you/we can assume what we want without examination.
Many arguments can be made on sense perception alone (to see, hear and reflect) regarding the existence of The Creator for people of all knowledge levels. No intellectual gymnastics needs to be done. Sense perception which is what the Qur'an uses and is incontestable against the philosophical arguments that only exist in the mind and is not specific.
For example, the physical phone in your hand reading this message is evidence of the actual tangible true existence of the people who made the phone. You know that these people have the knowledge, will, and power, and the phone has a purpose.
So let's take this further with biological cells' organelles that carry out different life processes in plants and animals. Studies/research at Edinburgh University through observation has found these cell processes move coded charged molecules with information and instructions inside their structure, similar to how computers send signals through various circuits. The cell's function is coordinated through a network of nanotubes similar to carbon nanotubes inside a computer microprocessor using electric currents.
However, this biological cell network is flexible. It can rapidly reconfigure its output depending on the information received and relayed from the nucleus, which no man-made processor/circuit is capable of doing.
A Creator here is self-evident with knowledge, design, will and power. There are many examples like this if you reflect but you deny it.
However, we laud our creators who create processors/technology with precision, design, knowledge, will and power that have a purpose.
The cell's behaviour is superior, which we can observe, but you say it's from chance/randomness/evolution or something similar.
"The creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of mankind, but most of the people do not know. Qur'an 40:57"
"And He shows you His signs. Now which of Allah's signs will you deny? Qur'an 40:81"
The recording of words is the foundation of knowledge.
If something is true/beneficial, it does not matter how old it is. "Being old/long ago" is a poor excuse, and I doubt you have read any Qur'an intending to seek the truth.
What you believe are words from someone/a group in the past that is emotionally based on choice, on philosophical ideas of the mind and not based on a valid scientific method.
The Bible is not comparable to the Qur'an. They are very different in so many ways. The Qur'an is the highest form of Arabic and is used as an authority of grammar and linguistics. Its composition has been studied by non-Muslims saying it cannot of been orally delivered. How the Qur'an was delivered, preserved, recorded, recited and memorised is unique and free from contradiction. (I bet you will look for one that shows your intentions).
"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. Qur'an 4:82"
Please do not take offence in my message to you.
If you are truthful, you have to admit the atheist position from the atheist above - whatever you believe. I pray that you reflect and be guided.
Also, please don't clip my message with short questions or your assumptions, ignoring my points or diverting away; that's the easy way out.
Bring some evidence that is not philosophical (not statements like intuition can be wrong, and Qur'an words are old).
I understand writing long messages is time-consuming. You may not have that time, and I don't either, but I wanted to deliver the message of Islam.
I probably won't reply to anything further, and you don't have to either. However, if you genuinely want to know more about Islam, I am happy to speak to you/continue.
@@Khannonball
You wrote a lot and most if seems pointless so I'm trying to skim for comments to respond to.
_"So we have prominent atheists who believe atheism is a religion"_
What?!
Dennet doesn't say it's a religion. Richard Lewontin and Thomas Nagle don't say it's a religion. You referenced some person who used the word in the title of a book.
That doesn't make it a religion.
....i'm waiting for a point.
_"The latter has written a book saying the last half century of materialist neo-Darwin science is almost certainly false. "_
....and?
still waiting...
_"For some even if the evidence of God was manifest many will not believe:"_
Because the god described by the followers is not an inspiring being.
_"In your view, we are naturally born with the incorrect primary state "_
You don't seem to understand my view.
I suggest you don't try to summarise it.
What's correct and incorrect in your straw man argument?
the idea of him saying that your ideas are moraly inherited itself moraly inherited which cannot be true because it causes the whole way of agument to fall down because every argumet now can be in the future just moraly inherited 😉😉
This is the best of the internet, open arguments all sides heard
this video makes it clear how important it is not just to have education and knowledge in our religion islam. It is as imperative to have knowledge of worldly things as science like mathematics, physics, astrophysics, chemistry, biology and other areas such as history, geography, geology etc.
and ultimately you have to be very articulate and extremely patient. only with these skills and the existing knowledge can one successfully do dawa inshallah. may Allah bless ali with all his mercy. Ameen ya rab 🤲🏽
"They didn't have sicence" 😂 what is the evidence from the scientific method that disproves God? The atheist position is based on philosophical ideas, emotions and on models that cannot be proved by science and doesn't disprove God. Therfore atheism is a reglion.
_"what is the evidence from the scientific method that disproves God? "_
Almost no one claims that.
_" The atheist position is based on philosophical ideas, emotions and on models that cannot be proved by science "_
You don't seem to even understand what the atheist position is.
@@markh1011
Your right, I don't know what the atheist position is becuase there are many that do not agree with each other. Some atheist say themselves it's a reglion. Other say even if there is a God they don't want to believe/they follow their desires. So this is why I say emotional. At the end of the day for each person there is a subjective reason why and that person goes with the reasoning/evidence that appeals to them even if weak.
You may say the same about who believe God.
So it comes to different levels evidence and how strong that evidence is without doing too much gymnastics.
From a Islamic point of view, there is the inate/natural disposition in us that is knowledge built within ourselves that there is God. (there is Oxford studies on children regarding this).
Then there is tangible evidence, observations/tests, logic and science. I feel philosophical route is debated to death from both sides, you can always make a weak counter subjective argument.
Lastly is revalation/scripture and this to me is most important to believe in God. The Qur'an doesn't use philosophy, I urge you to read it if you haven't and see the questions He asks you.
@@Khannonball
_"Some atheist say themselves it's a reglion"_
I know of no atheist who says this. Any atheist who doesn't isn't using the word properly.
_"Other say even if there is a God they don't want to believe/they follow their desires. "_
I've also never heard an atheist say that they don't want to believe because they want to follow their desires.
_"From a Islamic point of view, there is the inate/natural disposition in us that is knowledge built within ourselves that there is God. "_
Humans are superstitious.
Humans anthropomorphise.
Human intuition is wrong often.
_"Then there is tangible evidence, observations/tests, logic and science. "_
Such as?
_"Lastly is revalation/scripture and this to me is most important to believe in God."_
Words in a book from a long time ago. This is no more convincing to me than the bible.
@@markh1011 Neo-atheist Daniel Dennet, says, "there is no such thing as philosophy-free Science. There is only Science whose philosophical baggage is taken on board without examination". He speaks of scientists too, which can be understood as scientists who say "we don't have certain beliefs. We have certain knowledge" lie to themselves because there are philosophical assumptions behind their conclusions.
Michael Ruse, a famous Atheist evolutionist, has written a book, "Darwin As Religion", published by the Oxford University Press/ he is well published. He has spoken about evolution as an ideology and secular religion as "a full-fledged alternative to Christianity with meaning and morality, evolution is a religion, this was true of evolution in the beginning and it true of evolution still today".
You state yourself Science doesn't disprove God. Richard Lewontin and Thomas Nagle (known atheists) basically say they don't want to believe in God.
The latter has written a book saying the last half century of materialist neo-Darwin science is almost certainly false.
So we have prominent atheists who believe atheism is a religion and do not want to believe in God because they have chosen this view philosophically for their desires/worldview. This view is not proven by the Scientific method - honest Atheists are saying this. For some even if the evidence of God was manifest many will not believe:
"And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it], and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allāh should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant. Qur'an 6:111“
Regarding the natural disposition in Islam, we call this the Fitrah. This is not intuition or superstition (True Islam does not anthropomorphise God). It is your original nature, natural religion, primary state, and mould. There are more things in the Fitrah which we believe are from birth. Check out Dr Justin Barrett's studies/articles:
"A senior researcher at the University of Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind, following several years of research, claims that young people have the predisposition to believe in a supreme being because they assume that everything in the world was created with a purpose. He says that young children have faith even when they have not been taught about it by family or at school and argues that even those raised alone on a desert island would come to believe in God."
In your view, we are naturally born with the incorrect primary state - this does not make sense with evolution/natural selection/philosophical assumptions.
In Islam, we believe this primary state can be corrupted without guidance.
These arguments about contingency/philosophy will only go around in circles forever as you/we can assume what we want without examination.
Many arguments can be made on sense perception alone (to see, hear and reflect) regarding the existence of The Creator for people of all knowledge levels. No intellectual gymnastics needs to be done. Sense perception which is what the Qur'an uses and is incontestable against the philosophical arguments that only exist in the mind and is not specific.
For example, the physical phone in your hand reading this message is evidence of the actual tangible true existence of the people who made the phone. You know that these people have the knowledge, will, and power, and the phone has a purpose.
So let's take this further with biological cells' organelles that carry out different life processes in plants and animals. Studies/research at Edinburgh University through observation has found these cell processes move coded charged molecules with information and instructions inside their structure, similar to how computers send signals through various circuits. The cell's function is coordinated through a network of nanotubes similar to carbon nanotubes inside a computer microprocessor using electric currents.
However, this biological cell network is flexible. It can rapidly reconfigure its output depending on the information received and relayed from the nucleus, which no man-made processor/circuit is capable of doing.
A Creator here is self-evident with knowledge, design, will and power. There are many examples like this if you reflect but you deny it.
However, we laud our creators who create processors/technology with precision, design, knowledge, will and power that have a purpose.
The cell's behaviour is superior, which we can observe, but you say it's from chance/randomness/evolution or something similar.
"The creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of mankind, but most of the people do not know. Qur'an 40:57"
"And He shows you His signs. Now which of Allah's signs will you deny? Qur'an 40:81"
The recording of words is the foundation of knowledge.
If something is true/beneficial, it does not matter how old it is. "Being old/long ago" is a poor excuse, and I doubt you have read any Qur'an intending to seek the truth.
What you believe are words from someone/a group in the past that is emotionally based on choice, on philosophical ideas of the mind and not based on a valid scientific method.
The Bible is not comparable to the Qur'an. They are very different in so many ways. The Qur'an is the highest form of Arabic and is used as an authority of grammar and linguistics. Its composition has been studied by non-Muslims saying it cannot of been orally delivered. How the Qur'an was delivered, preserved, recorded, recited and memorised is unique and free from contradiction. (I bet you will look for one that shows your intentions).
"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. Qur'an 4:82"
Please do not take offence in my message to you.
If you are truthful, you have to admit the atheist position from the atheist above - whatever you believe. I pray that you reflect and be guided.
Also, please don't clip my message with short questions or your assumptions, ignoring my points or diverting away; that's the easy way out.
Bring some evidence that is not philosophical (not statements like intuition can be wrong, and Qur'an words are old).
I understand writing long messages is time-consuming. You may not have that time, and I don't either, but I wanted to deliver the message of Islam.
I probably won't reply to anything further, and you don't have to either. However, if you genuinely want to know more about Islam, I am happy to speak to you/continue.
@@Khannonball Addressed in another thread.
Mashallah brother Ali. I have goosebumps after watching this video. When you understand the argument being composed from Ali himself, all 3 Atheists were not able to answer to the main argument which was revisited time and time again. They agreed upon the Universe being dependent, they agreed upon the universe changing so it can be composed of pieces, they agreed with the universe not being self sufficient. They even understood the point of infinite not existing, meaning it is finite, allowing them to acknowledge the fact there is a beginning and end, therefore the concept of “nothing” is silly. They agreed with everything Ali said but found stupid ways to get out of saying the truth of “there could be a God” , through points which weren’t relevant to the argument whatsoever. History and Morality which had nothing to do with the point brother Ali was saying. Alhamdullilah this is one of the most beautiful methods of proving existence of an independent deity to an atheist. I have never seen an argument which uses their own logic, reasoning and understanding of science to disprove them. The 3 brothers were respectful throughout and I pray Allah guides them to open their minds and let go of their ego, allowing them to speak what they have just agreed upon with Ali. If anyone can guide them to see the truth and accept it in their heart it is Allah SWT. “Indeed it is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts”. May Allah guide us all onto the right path and keep up steadfast in our deen. Ameen 🤲
I love your comment, it's kind respectful and comes with a good heart even though you don't understand the 3 young men's argument at all , like the Muslim fella in this video also didn't understand either
@@mjhmjh6444really? I thought that was their argument too. That and they think that the laws and logic we're accustomed to don't apply to the universe as a whole because we just can't know. Could you kindly explain if there's anything else?
@@OmairBhamji their points were regarding the universe independence, ali could not understand how the universe can be independent and using his argument he will continue to jump to God , wherever if he fully understands the universe he'd never think it's dependency on anything so therefore there's no need for a magical being to explain. I love the Muslim philosophy but it's based on literal magic and we've never ever seen any real proof of magic
He is not only defending Islam but also Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism. What a legend... 1 v 3... What a legend ❤❤
wonderful debate!
My understanding in this matter is based on Surah Al-Ikhlas, specifically the last verse: "...Nor is there to Him any equivalent.'"
I believe that even our imagination of God cannot be equivalent to Him as an idea. The concept of God transcends comprehension by any being. His attributes, which are infinite in nature and number, are beyond our understanding.
We cannot even comprehend the very concept of infinity.
Mashallah your knowledge has really grown to a deep one Ali. Ps the concept of necessity is not one discredited by science, even if you consider science as a series of observations to understand the chain of events that lead to both the state, development and existence of certain entities, all still have physical dependencies. The guy himself explained a time domain is required for a bottle to drop. Therefore time itself is an entity that becomes a necessary principle for the occurrence of anything within our comprehension. Although time itself, to our knowledge, is also the occurance of certain physical events which take place, such as the continuation of the existence of certain entities (atomic clock). Therefore even to establish a consistent time framework we must agree on a recurring and consistent physical change in an entity such as an atom. This in itself demonstrates that time is linked to a definition that suits our ability to observe something replicable and define an absolute entity (as compared to it being largely arbitrary). God is beyond any such physical dependencies or even definitions. Hence why God himself has allowed us to only know certain attributes of him.
14:22
ALI: "What is the second law of thermal dynamics?"
Atheist Number 1: "E =MC squared"😂😂🤦♂
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😂😂😂😂
The middle guy is straight up annoying and egoistic
Ali’s composure was brilliant. 👍
Tell me please - where does the path of Muslims lead?
To allah
@@MAKGAMEROP Please tell us - what a Muslim paradise is?
@Mosaab twice
The perpetually erect penis of Muslims, 72 virgins with appetizing vaginas, beautiful boys, rivers of wine, gold, silk... Is this reliable information or Islamohobic?!
Ali tried his best against level 100 atheist boss without completing side quests 😂
3 100 level atheist bosses
@@FatherMighty or, ali dawah being the boss faced by 3 opponents trying to "tackle" or "take down", in this case, Ali Dawah's contigency argument. 👽
You got it upside down bruv, it’s actually three amateurs vs one stupendous boss
Level 100 bosses don’t say things like “because it’s inherently archaic” as if that’s an argument.
Rational Vs Empiric, oldschool conflict :) anyway rational knowledge IS a scientific method, the boy should check it out.
Best bit was at end when he said "when you have more than one God, its chaos just like with you three!" 😂😂
قال رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم -: ((كلمتان خفيفتان على اللسان، ثقيلتان في الميزان، حبيبتان إلى الرحمن: سبحان الله وبحمده، سبحان الله العظيم))؛ متفق عليه
For those who don’t believe in God who created the universe? Dinosaurs? Lol
I like how civil Ali dawah is he tries to get his point across he doesn’t force it on them and he hears them out to see there perspective.
"Ok who am I talking to " got me laughing 🤣
Why is it so hard to understand that the moment we understood that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, For matter to come into existence there must be something out of the bounds of creation that created it. And this was when we were like 10, Such stupidity🤦♂️ May Allah guide them.
Can these two just answer the question without argue and prove their point 😅😅
Think about this. Ali says that nothing can come from nothing, which means there has to be Allah, Independent and self sufficient. Well if he says the universe can’t come from nothing we’re did god come from. How was allah composed?
How did allah evolve?
Brother Ali you've actually made clear for those who want to undestand. Thanks a lot.
One problem with these atheists, is that they all seem to have different understandings of why they are atheists. Ali Dawah actually does a good job and follows much more logical steps to establish an argument. Its funny how they first went from saying the arguments were archaic. Then they say outside of this framework things function different. Do they they live in the outside framework?
if ali tries he can be a great intellectual mind with enough knowledge
religion makes intelligent people say stupid things
@@robertjsmith stupidity originate from narrow-mindedness, ignorance and blatant irrationality.
not something that advocates the opposite genius.
@@Haze_in-bw7ff when you believe in a god,everything else gets believed in like sin heaven hell,free will judgment day complete nonsense
@@robertjsmith you don't bother believing .. so why bother calling it nonsense..
the evidence for existence of god is enough to believe such given the criterion which for Muslims is the Quran.
He is trying, can't you see?
ussalaamualaikum brother MashAllah you've come a long way since you started May Allah continue to strengthen you in knowledge and Deen aswell as us all in the Ummah!
Tell me please - where does the path of Muslims lead?
@@davidbagrationi5806 it leads to a place where the mind will always be at peace, where the heart is at ease and the soul at it purest form.
@@zeshankhan1578 bro don't even bother to reply him, he's a bot. He's spamming the same questions to everyone.
@@leaguegaming8569 oh for real 😳 didn't even know good looking out
افضل الصلاة والسلام على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم
How could a universe created independently?
Let's just assume it was, but how so perfectly?
The three components fussion is why so perfect that we get the required resources, protection so accurately?
Did human evolve from animals?
The answer is no. Think about it.
If we evolve from animals than why did the evolvement did not continued ?
Why are we stopped at human?
Let's just assume it as an accident too
Why aren't we seeing any animal being evolved in 21st century?
Go back to school. Your ignorance is embarrassing.
@@tsananeomeno7963 you want to have a conversation?
I never thought i would hear my islamic aqeedah spoken in such good English, i never thought i would see that
Unfortunately some people are smarter than their own good. Went to a top college and uni and it’s unfortunately filled with academics like this
@Mosaab twice Smugness is a good in-between term for it.
@Mosaab twice u can’t even prove where god came from so u are ignorant.
@Mosaab twice u can’t even prove where god came from so u are ignorant.
You are wasting your time with them
There was so much that was proven using logic and not religious belief, but they continued to link the idea to religion. This was a massively circular argument here.
Sure, because religious people try to use this as the foundation to prove the existence of their god. But even if the universe/cosmos actually had a cause (which we cannot demonstrate) then there is no way to make the transition to some god.
Alhamdulilah. I dont know why people support ali so much he is just using religion to make money. He is using his own hypothesis and theory to explain random things, it wouldnt be a wonder if quran is rewritten or modified by these idiots(hijab and ali) in the coming years and imposing their false ideologies on us. these hoodlums are just businessmen using religion to make money. Its haram and against ummah
@@joerdim Their god doesn't make sense because it as arbitrary properties like desires and morals that come out of nowhere.
@@jonatand2045 Maybe you believe it because you have these attributes. Pop up from nowhere and is getting trolled😂😂. Hi troll
Mashallah this brother is highly educated in a lot of different departments 👏
They told him several times they believed it to be independent, but he keeps asking them what it's dependent on. This is begging the question which they were, very politely, trying to point out to him. The contingency argument suffers the same fatal flaw as the kalam. It is arguing that what is true of the parts must be true of the whole. Or it is arguing that what is true in space-time must be true at the singularity (t=0). This is a logically flawed argument as a result. If scientists don't know the answer of how the universe began it's for damn sure theologians don't!
Life is a Bless but living here is a curse. may Allah bless us with the right path 🙏💯
Respectively Larry, Moe & harry trying to disprove contingency..
Masha Allah Brother Ali is on a higher level of intellect...
the atheist is mixing philosophy and science and going back and forth between statements without any argument. the middle guy first accepted the fact that the universe is a necessary existence and necessary existence is not contingent when its certainly by any standards not true especially if you wanna delve into the scientific part of this argument, because the universe can be rearranged into a different manner with different set of composed pieces. universe is dependent on itself in sense that it requires its own composed energy to exist but that energy is not independent as the question poses where the energy came from?
but thats not what they argued, they accepted the fact that universe is composed and yet its fallacy on thier behalf that they agreed upon that an independent necessity cannot be composed of different parts.
the 2nd thing he kept stating that "necessity is morality" and " very idea of necessity is moral one".
if you are trying to say that the concept of necessity came from the idea of morality, if necessity is not a concept in universe, it leads back to the idea of infinite dependency which is not possible, if you say the universe does not know necessity and is an idea birth from our moral value, then universe only knows dependency? thus universe is not independent? its such a vague and stupid statement here and you contradicted yourself and if you meant to say something else, well you provided less information with the statement to begin with. were you trying to show-off or confuse people?
Later on you went saying that universe doesnt function on logic created by human world. WHAT THE WHAT? wait so if it transcends beyond logical boundaries of humans, then there is no boundary at all. you rejected the idea of impossible necessity on first plate, you said that there cannot be a triangle with 2 dots. if you believe thst universe operates on a logical level that incomprehensive to human's definition of logic, that doesnt close all possible doors and thus proves universe is non contingent but opens up many more doors which anyone can say anything. one can argue that, our logic in inherently flawed and thus a triangle with 2 dots exists, one can argue a God Who can create impossible triangle with 2 dots exists, one can argue two gods with coexists that can order against each other. thus you believe in impossibility, but you only believe in it when its well versed with your argument. A) either you dont know what you are talking about or B) you do know and intentionally brought the argument to this place by rejection of 3rd point of view of impossible necessity.
also you said that universe is expanding infinitely, pls bro dont make your own science. leave science alone if you dont know what you are talking about. we dont know if the universe is expanding infinitely but we assume the universe is expanding into infinity or nothingness, and its all speculation. we can say the expansion rate is faster than speed of light just tells that the big bang was a larger explosion. stephen hawkings in his brief history of time told that this universe might stop expanding after certain time and start cooling and then shrinking. he was a great scientist and this just tells that we believe that universe's expansion rate is not infinite but rather limited.
and lol you use science as a referencing ground when even science doesnt knows whats going on behind the scenes. again stephen hawking stated in his book which i mentioned that if one asks me that what was before the big bang, i would say we can never know. and if you really are using science, first go read it before making claims, because a little knowledge of science is misguiding. funfact is, in the qauntam physics, we arent completely out of the idea that if there is consciousness out there. we have observer's effect which says the electron changes its property based on our observation and is thus theorized on universal scale. tho i must insist that its not somthing concrete but just theories and ideas, worth noticing derived from our experiments and how we look the quantum world.
you refer science as if its atheistic play ground when its not. and sceince you referred is strictly based on logical human derivate which you used to prove your argument, i see nothing but weak and non sensical arguments linked together by an illogical man.
and lastly you stated that necessity is not part of science, ahh no. you are wrong. you see all of our equations assume one thing and one single law and that is 'Conservation of energy'
stating ' *energy cannot be created, neither be destroyed and may be transformed from one form to another. the total energy of an isolated system always remains constant* '
this definition is assumed to believe that our calculations are correct which essentially state that energy is basic *independent necessity* which we all our laws depend on. lol you dont even know basic science
yet conversion of energy is based on assumption that there is nothing more basic then and you refer science thinking you are smart but you dont even know law of conservation of energy thought in middle school.
Allahuma Barik my brother you got everything right on point ❤💪💯
@buki7490 thank you 😊.
Ali to be honest you missed their point. They asked you what your definition was based on. You can ask the question a million times and it will remain unanswered a million times. They kept asking you an equal amount of times what your definition was based on
What is their point?
It is very simple : every dependent needs an independent
They all agreed the universe is dependent
@@Q8ijin Why? It's not proven that an infinite regress is impossible. It's just a philosophical consideration forged by the extremely limited human mind that can't grasp this concept of infinity.
At 11:45 Ali even established himself that they don't agree that the universe is dependent by quoting them.
@@uthman2281 what is your point?
Their point was that Ali creates he’s own definitions and super imposes it on the universe. The universe isn’t ran by Ali definitions
@@Q8ijin they literally said it was independent
Respect for Ali and his knowledge on this matter. Great example for Muslims
TBH this discussion was very good. And the reason being they were actually understanding what he was saying and answering with the amount of logical thinking and knowledge they have, unlike people who jump into arguments with their own point of view and without the patience to hear other person's Argument.
The patience all these men have ..Masha allah..i could never ..but I'm certainly working on it
Say
لا اله الا الله
If a Muslim can make them go against turn on each other like that, imagine what a Christian can do ;)
a christian will make them cry..... in laughter at his attempt to explain the trinity
Mashallah Ali. I seriously need your patience and your ability to debate. :D May Allah increase me in knowledge.
Ali is so dope Masha’Allah Mash’Allah Masha’Allah Showing respect 💜
Middle Man showed no respect 🤦🏾♀️
This guy again? Wow, so stubborn, but impressivley persesitant.
"So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear?
For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts." 22:46
I feel like giving them the same answer repeatedly is what's stopping them from understanding our logic. And what I've noticed is that people like Ali sorta denies to flow with others arguments and sticks to his own points. Which obviously ain't the worse style of debating but I personally think that sometimes he should run in others race and chasing them down in their own race with our understanding might be the best way.
@Zakaria Hassan Mohamed For people like us, yes we don't necessarily need to try too hard to convince people but for people like Ali that's like his job to give dawah so for him to do the best thing possible in clearing people's misconception is basically what I was talking about.
@@mdshahriar8 They didn't come to learn. They came to deny the existence of God. How much you give logic they'll deny it and will remain on the process of counter you with different questions. They come to promote Atheism and product of Satan
@@mdshahriar8 at least he's doing Dawah, some of us watch for entertainment. May Allah reward them.
Ali’s aggressiveness shows he is a representative of a warlord NOT god😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Assalamualaikum brother the way u explain the truth to the people's is beautiful.I really appreciate it and offcourse our only creator Allah has helped us through quran sharif which has so many sign that the universe has which is enough to challenge the science and quran already had discovered the things that wasn't discovered by any scientist or any technology..... Allah paak bless you 😊
Ali, you should have countered his argument by asking him : but where does this idea of necessity being a moral idea comes from? It comes from atheists trying to justify thier belief of the non-existence of God.
Good point
Well, you are saying this too, aren't you? Morality is necessary and objective because it's part of go... wait. Better ignore this, right?
I am an atheist and I believe that morality is entirely subjective. It depends on the goal. If my goal is well-being of human kind then there are objective assessments to derive from this goal. Like eating poison or poisoning others is a no no. Some god doesn't solve this problem, it's still about what the individual thinks is right or wrong to do. If you are just obedient and blindly following orders when doing good things then you are not acting moral.
The fact that I don't believe in a god doesn't have too much to do with this. It's just that "arguments" like the contingency argument simply don't work to prove the existence of a god.
@@joerdim no, i didn't say that, I am not discussing morality, morality was raised by the atheist, which is funny how atheists always talking about morality trying to make it part of thier ideology when they don't even have the basis for morality. Honest atheists admitted that but most of the fake atheists nowadays try to come with the most absurd justifications to stick to morality such as deriving objective morality from subjective ideas. And this " some " gods is a hilarious thought, especially when there is only one God , you realise that we r Muslims here don't u? As for following orders doesn't make you moral , says who? Who is moral ; the one who act morally or the one who think morally, that is if I am to concede that religion is just following orders which I don't. Also if you think that contingency argument doesn't prove God existence then disprove it or answer Ali's questions instead of just telling us your belief, I can simply say that u don't understand this argument, most atheists don't from what I have seen so far.
@@andydufresne4444 I know you aren't saying that right now. This is why I am asking. But nice dodge.
I literally just explained to you why this is the basis of ALL morality. The one who is acting based on his morals is acting morally. If you rob a bank because you gain something from it (a nice afterlife) when someone (god) orders you to do it because he thinks it's immoral that money is in the hands of corrupt banks, who is acting moral then? Yes, NOT the one who is just following orders and gains something from it.
The contingency argument TRIES to prove that the universe/cosmos had a CAUSE. Even if we would grant a cause, then there is still absolutely no way to make a transition to some god with this. This is why Ali tries to dishonestly smuggle in the word "being" as it implies a thinking agent. But since it seems that time wasn't a thing "before" the universe a cause is nonsensical anyways. This is why they keep saying that the argument is based on ancient ideas when people derived from the conditions on earth that time and space have always and everywhere been a thing.
Prove that some god exists, then prove that only one god exists and then prove that this one god is your god. You just made it even harder for yourself.
Btw, it doesn't matter at all what some Atheists say as there is not a common doctrine among Atheists. Lots of Atheists are not sceptics and all theists aren't either.
@@joerdim there is no basis for morality in an atheist world, so stop pushing your opinion as if it is a fact. And stop making up scenarios and judge religions according to them just to build a case for your crumbling ideas, God doesn't order people to rob banks , however , an atheist who doesn't rob a bank and live a nice life because of some subjective morals is plain stupid , why would I care for the society if there is no God ? And those morals u acting as if u invented them are derived from religion and from God as the ultimate source of morality, you r made a moral being by God ,that's why you are sticking to morality instead of living your " only" life as a chemical dirt doing whatever pleases you.In the real world religious people act morally even if they didn't believe in morality , atheists would act immorally if they didn't believe in morality so which better for the society?
And we can prove that the independent being or thing is God by extra reasoning and proofs, we can know that he has power , knowledge, will from reflecting upon the universe, and by seeing that every thing has purpose then we must do, we call this independent thing God because of the revelations the Prophet had and to disprove God you need to disprove the Prophets, simple. In any case ,call it God or thing ,this destroy the atheistic idea that the universe came from nothing or it is eternal. And you didn't disprove it, you just made a theory of why people came up with this argument convincing yourself that it only works within the realm of religion when it is a logical argument works within the realm of the brain, so disprove it logically instead of hiding behind lame theories.
Ok great… but Ali, you need to let others talk!! You posit your argument and repeat it many times but when they attempt to respond, you interrupt and ignore their questions on your definition that they don’t seem to accept. They have been incredibly patient with you..I wouldn’t have! (even though I agree with you😂! ). In an argument like this, there has to be an agreement on a premise or definition that you can then build on. It’s obvious they don’t agree with the argument of something being made of pieces as proof of dependency… so that’s where you should debate, on what you mean by that and why would something made of pieces be dependent before moving on. They were trying to ask you but you kept repeating yourself, demanding to be heard, and then interrupting them when they had questions.
I respect your attempts and my comment is only constructive criticism… 💕
idk why he brings up morality towards the universe where there mostly are just objects and stars , morality is more of a society thing .
It's what happens when you are trying to explain yourself but know nothing of that point.
He means that the necessity claim was made up in philosophy to explain morality. You are right that it is a social construct. He was just pointing out the origins of the argument that Ali and lots of other theists try to misuse as a way to explain actual existence.
@@joerdim just bcoz philosphy has made this claim , so it's true ? Lol
@@aishaafzal3730 I never said anything like that.
@@joerdim You never said that by being a troll? 😂😂😂. Soooooooo sadddddddd😖
“If you was Alexa I would of said Alexa listen “ 😂😂😂😂 26:13 had me on the floor 😭😭😭
If the guy in the middle says inherently again.. I'm going to slap him.
Well done ALi - handled yourself very well Allahumabarik
Tell me please - where does the path of Muslims lead?
@@davidbagrationi5806 leads to the mercy and forgiveness of the one true God!
@@bigboy6103 Tell me please - who are houris?!
@@bigboy6103 bro don't even bother to reply to him. He's just a bot spamming the same questions everywhere
@@davidbagrationi5806 oh the houris
You know the same way you go around sleeping with women in this world
You can enjoy your houris in this world
You Christians/ atheists go around sleeping with 20 women so your houris were in this world,
In the next world believers will have beautiful women made by God it is mentioned that looking at them will put you in awe for 40 years,
Also they say that if a hourun was to come to earth
All the men in this world would have a war over her
Why do you want to sleep around with multiple women in this world when God promises you a spouse that will be even more beautiful every time u see her
Alhamdullilah for Islam❤
Imagine being an Izlam abdul
Sorry, but, looking at all the mathematical miracles in the Qur'an, and experiencing the most unlikely of coincidences, have rooted me in Islam. You can't deny it. Truth shall not be rejected.
There are many miracles in Hinduism too and many other religions why is only Islam true?
@@maxstriker9839 At one point all religions had the truth before their corruption. None makes the claim that it will be preserved by God except Islam. If I claim 1 + 1 = 2 but then add 1 + 1 = 2, + 1 = 2 am I still correct? Atheism is a belief like another other that assumes human nature leads us to fabricate a higher being for morality.
However, there is far more evidence for the contrary; that God exists and humans have continually deviated from the truth and messengers had to be sent again and again. Islam gives the explanation from Adam (AS), origin of humanity, and explains how polytheism came to fruition. I would encourage you to learn about Islam, but first pledge to yourself to be sincere and then ask God to guide you to the truth.
@@sazzadahmed2297 I didn't say God doesn't exist I am just saying you can't prove religion is made by God and no way in hell you prove Islam is the only true religion
@@sazzadahmed2297 I have read a lot about quran just like I did with Hinduism both have some miracles
@@maxstriker9839 You can't have contrarian things and say you believe in them all. Hinduism like all religions from God held the truth, started as monotheistic, but it has deviated from it. They worship idols and revere prophets as deities when the only force in existence that is a deity is God alone. Allah is explicit that this is shirk and even in Hindu scripture it says God has no images. You could say all religions from God were true but that does not mean they remained true.
Rather than think of it like God made religion, think of it like humans always had the truth (what we describe as religion) from ADAM (AS) but mankind deviated from worshipping and God's commandments and Shaitan gradually worked at corrupting them over generations, until they performed customs unacceptable for God for reasons and origins they didn't understand. One faced with the truth they get defensive and say "This is what generations before us have done, are you calling us fools?". It is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts. They let ego supersede their belief in God, and sincerity in pleasing God, even when God graces us with the truth. No other religion claims their scripture is directly written from the words of God, as Allah did not make the claim for other religions until the last of the messengers sent by God. It's important to note God's message was always with society even if majority had deviated from it. Those who haven't got the message would be tried on Judgement Day to see if they would have accepted the truth. In this way there are lessons for mankind from the societies of the past before the last of messengers. The bodies of the sinners will testify against them in the Day of Recompense for what they used to do, and no one will thrown into the hellfire except they are convinced of their earning.
Even though Prophet Muhammad (SAW) spoke the truth and had many hadiths of advice for Muslims, the Qu'ran is filled with only the revelations and passages of Allah which had more eloquence than any poet can compose in Arabian society. A society with many words to describe a thing, and many poets. The authentic chains of hadith are better documented than many scriptures and recorded history, and the Qu'ran supersedes that in oral tradition as well as written tradition.
Overall I recommend you watch the Stories of the Prophets starting with ADAM (AS). This channel goes a bit more in depth with the lessons rather than just the story which I would recommend if you're interested ruclips.net/video/CTHj0JDey1w/видео.html
Mashallah ali is so intelligent!! 🫡