GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Final Fantasy XIII-2
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The only positive thing I can say about Final Fantasy XIII-2 is that it didn't take me three episodes to sin it. Felt like it did though. Yeah, there's a lot of stupid to be found in this one.
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"Noel, Snow, and Serah fighting a giant tomato to hardcore metal"
Best out-of-context sentence ever
Also, noel used a fire spell on royal ripeness
FIRE HEALS HER
That whole "changing the future changes the past" thing has to do with the fact that people can see the future in this story. If I can see the future and you change it, you change what I see and therefore you change what I'll do based on what I'm seeing. If I'm seeing this in "the past" from your perspective then you effect the past by changing the future because you effect my visions.
give this man a cookie
nope, try to look at it as a possible future you are from, and that's not the only one, there are more of them, something like paradox, so when you change past, you creat new future where is new you... But you is still you, because, if you didn't go back a didn't change the past, the future would be still same and you would not help yourself...
Also, the future is shaped by the past, so by artifically changing the future, you change all events that led to that future, which would be the past.
yeah, but remenber, Noel lost some of his memories, he just know that the Cocoon fall and everything else he didn't know, that means, that even if they go on the quest change the past, they will fail, cause in other words, Noel would disapeared when they succeded, but he didn't, remember Snow when you met him on his quest protect the Cocoon pilar? He also disapeared when you helped him to solve the paradox and cleared it, that should have been for Noel the same if they would succeded, but they didn't that means that from the start when they were sent on the journey, they were predicted to fail it :) got it? (yeah don't speak english well, sorry)
mh
Ephemeral
adjective
1. lasting a very short time; short-lived; transitory:
the ephemeral joys of childhood.
2. lasting but one day:
an ephemeral flower.
noun
3. anything short-lived, as certain insects.
Damn it I wish I scrolled down before I googled it, but thanks.
Kék Dragnal
Thanks, bro.
but what does stones of ephemeral eyes have to do with it?
@@shinjig Stones of short-lived eyes, I guess. They only have a short time to fix the paradox, I guess. I dunno
Here are the lyrics for the chorus of the metal chocobo song:
SO YOU THINK YOU CAN RIDE THIS CHOCOBO?
GOT CHOCOBUCKS? YOU BETTER PUT 'EM ON THE CHOCOBO
SADDLE UP IF YOU THINK YOU CAN RIDE IN THIS RODEO
ARE WE IN HELL? I DUNNO! KICK THE DIRT LET'S ROLL
COME IF YOU THINK YOU GONNA HIDE THIS CHOCOBO
EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANT TO RIDE YOUR CHOCOBO
IT'S CHOCO-LOCO STYLE IN THE CHOCORODEO
GONNA RIIIDE'M STRAIGHT THROUGH HELL IN THE CHOCOBO RODEO!!
Thats an innuendo
the best thing of this game by far
You
Can't
Top
That
After watching the KH3 part 1 and 2, and then this, I've made a realization:
...these type of Sin videos are REALLY good ways to get a relatively brief recap of the stories and their major plot points (sometimes better explained/making more sense than the actual game...)
To a degree, yes. But you won’t hear sins about the parts of the story that are done perfectly (usually some of the most important parts)
Damn. He hit Lightning so hard that she was knocked out of the prerendered cutscene and into real-time graphics
At this point, he dropped the mic and was given a high-five by Chuck Norris and Saitama
Hey from the future just telling the high five is still going
When I heard this, I legit died laughing.
Hey that high five is still going. So inspirational.
The three then saw the destruction done to our planet and shrugged.
Fun Fact: The voice actor for Noel also voiced Chester Mcbadbat on Fairly Odd Parents, was Max Goof in the Goofy movie and voiced Haku in Spirited Away lol
Nice ff
@bill lamook ah Thank you! I did not know that.
He’s also one of the voice actors from Skyrim
Really? I recognized him as Richie from Static Shock.
Plus Kovu from Simba's Pride.
snow got roasted out of existence
Kame kame Thank god....
But came back to take his bit
Such a godawful character, square just can't see the end of the hole, they keep digging
FINALLY LMFAOOO
DAMN LOL
When you realize Hope and Phineas Flynn have the same voice actor, you'll never take him seriously. I mean, if you didn't already
The diverse cast of FFXIII looks good on paper, but the execution was horrible
"Hey Alyssa, I know what we're gonna do today! We're gonna build a brand new Cacoon!...Hey, where's Lightning?"
R What does diversity have to do with the plot not being good ? Seems like a reach
@@JavaBum so you consider grieving of the death of a family member obnoxious? You self righteous sociopath.
@@Genji-Agito lol who even are you
When did heroes ever need plans?
cut to people falling off a bridge.
+Morgan Sheepman *raucous laughter*
Easily the best part of that video.
Butter Buh AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
*shows a bridge collapsing as people slide to their deaths (cough Hope's Mother) and are been blown into smithereens that was absolutely the hero's fault.* Snow then forgets it in a matter of minutes.......
this game's plot made my head hurt
bad time travel plots tend to do that
well bad plots tend to do that in general
+Jan Handzlik
That's why Back to the Future is considered a classic. That movie had a "good" plot. Something Final Fantasy 13-2 doesn't understand.
Manly Malarky
okay i didnt say anything bad about back to the future but okay
Yeah, I think I feel stupider after seeing just this sin counter for this game. I feel sorry for anyone who played it.
So no sin for Noel practically being future Sora in appearance?
I actually had a sin about him looking like Surge from Chrono Cross at one point before I cut it.
Why do I get the feeling of FFXIII-2 has tons of Christianity references? Noel Kreiss makes me think of Jesus Christ, Caius Ballad makes me think of the anti- Christ, Gog Magog boss battle and Judgment Day. Don't tell me I'm the only one who realized this.
he looks more like Yuna from FFX if she was a male
YES! I knew I couldn’t be the only one!!
He looks Squall too
I don't know what executive thought the FFXIII writers could handle a time travel plot
Me neither
Still find more interesting than the first game… at least there is not Lightning & C. for the majority of time.
The most awkward thing about yet another game where Troy Baker and Laura Bailey voice romantically involved characters is that Bailey is married to Travis Willingham who is Baker's best friend and most of the times all three are in the same game like in this one and Catherine.
TheSlayFer Ch. T. This is like how Tim Burton keeps romantically pairing Johnny Depp with his wife, Helena Carter.
Every country had their duo/trio of voice actors that always... ALWAYS works on EVERYTHING. It pisses me off really, they sound good, but it's just too repetitive. Goddamn, my country have Guilherme Briggs... he is in everywhere
How can anyone actually know the 'logic' of time travel?
Need help with the explanation on "Butterfly Effect"?
Jack Stevens That's a theory, we've never had experience with time travel so how do we know this Butterfly Effect actually works?
We've always been on one direct path, we haven't gone back to change on branching path.
We have no idea of the logic of time travel or even if such a thing is possible.
+commander392 true,we don't know if "butterfly effect" really exist or already happened we don't know :)
commander392
Yet, think about it: How would changing the future affect the past? They do not intersect with each other.
Jack Stevens Unless there's the multiverse theory like Future Trunks in DBZ
Why not make a Final Fantasy where you're the villian and it's more mature?
Does Type-0 count? It's rated M and there's a part of the game where you kill innocent scientists who are just doing their jobs.
Josh Sinclair "innocent" but no i mean a real mature game where you're the worst villian, like a genocide to a whole country just for fun and such.
Well, we don't have a FF game for that, but the closest I can think of is "Hatred."
Well there was a Final fantasy mobile game where you play as a Turk from final fantasy 7.
Dartigan cool will check it out.
I pay waaaaay too much attention to Final Fantasy lore (especially XIII, Type-0, and XV). Let me establish that before any potential flame wars are started:
0:14 No, you didn't miss a game, but you did miss a light novel, something Final Fantasy does on a regular basis. See VII and Type-0 to prove my point.
1:00 Eidolons are summoned from Valhalla. Just because Snow can't summon Stiria and Nix anymore doesn't mean they don't exist. Also, the Paradigm Pack system is implemented in-story. Lightning defeats them, they obey Lightning.
1:23 Comet and Meteor are not only two different spells. They TWO DIFFERENT MATERIA all together.
1:55 The CSB system is already an improvement of the ATB system, and still better than the Gambit system from XII.
3:34 Eidolon Summoning... If she can do it with Odin, she can do it with Mog.
5:02 Non-l'Cie started being able to use magic After Fall.
5:11 Even though Compilation of Final Fantasy VII also had real moogles and toy moogles?
7:53 Paradox Endings... There's one where they end up 200 years Before Fall and find a still-crystallized Vanille. Also, in forward-canon, it's because Etro overstepped her bounds After Fall.
13:13 Nurse Joy is a different person in each location. Chocolina is the same. She's basically Gilgamesh for this game.
20:19 Fal'Cie can brand people WITHOUT giving them a focus. That automatically turns them into Cie'th.
20:29 He's not Caius...
24:59 Etro interfered with the Mortal Realm when she woke up 6 of the 8 crystallized l'Cie. The future that was supposed to happen, where nobody "lived" was overwritten with one where all but Vanille and Fang "lived", and the universal recoil of a goddess doing something so reckless cause the beginning of the paradoxes and the removal of Lightning from the new timeline. Ow, my head...
37:36 Paradox...
Your explanation for 37:36 is the most in depth explanation I have ever read.
Shaun Gibson Sorry. I figured that I didn't have to explain that they both could exist in the same plane and timeline. Even more so in Sazh's DLC when he figured it out after seeing Chocolina and the chick "standing" side by side.
That's what you get for playing with time travel, mother 'effin Paradox!
I applaud your analysis of such depth. Sadly, it does little to explain how poor the plot is in this game and instead points out the convolution. Keeping things out of exposition or in disorderly fashion just to keep fans guessing is a very cheap, very "sinful" way of writing. In this game's case further, time travel is one of the riskiest tropes for a reason.
I think I speak for everyone when I say……F**K TIME TRAVEL.
Now that you mention Sonic 06..... Everything Wrong With Sonic 06? That would be very interesting, im sure...
Dunno, this game is actually playable. People play Sonic 06 for the glitches and speedruns.
Dartigan has expressed in his streams that he NEVER wants to do a Sonic game. The emphasis was his.
SlyDante Who can blame him? I know how shitty the stories can be (06 and Shadow the Edgelord would be good examples) Still, it would be very interesting, and probably very funny too. It's obvious he knows about the stories of some of those games, like 06.
Check out Charriii5. He does a lot of Sonic sins videos and they are pretty funny and well thought out.
He's smart. Just sayin', I've seen Sonic fans defend that game. THAT is the hill they were willing to die on.
So the chocobo rodeo song is the best AND the worst thing about this game?
I say good sir, that sounds to me suspiciously like a...
PARADOX!!!
say what you will about Noel but he's honestly the most rational and mature character in this trilogy
TheGallantRayku
Except that he killed Caius despite Caius quite literally telling him that the goddess would die and it would cause the timeline to be overtaken by chaos.
You know what man. Great point!
@@yeetyeeterson5444 hm, Noel didn't killed Caius at all.. After Caius attacked Serah and Noel Stopped him, He stopped at the last second before dealing the finishing blow, and it was Caius who took his hand with the blade and shoved it into his chest.
Kayd Zeal
It's been years since I played this game. Also yeah fair point.
However, he still acts surprised about Serah dying despite basically knowing what happens to seeresses (how the actual hell is that said?) through Yeul dying.
@@yeetyeeterson5444 then why leave comment?
Please acknowledge that Caius was the only Final Fantasy villain besides Kefka to actually get what he wants. Also, Lightning did go fight Caius in Valhalla but that's DLC.
there are other villains who "won".
[Ardyn and Bahamut enters the chat]
The Emperor also got what he want
Time travel stories are always filled with plotholes.
Honestly, this game barely feels like a time travel story. You never really see the effects of time and every important character is also a time traveler.
Dartigan that feels this game up with even more holes to poke. I also don't understand how changing the future effects the past this games plot is a clusterfuck.
Chaos crystal more like chaos emerald
The best time travel I read was in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 4
*_Major Spoilers_*
Here we have traveling back to the past to only one certain point, call this *(Point A)*, and when the power to travel back is activated, call this *(Point B)*. Say, someone/something was destroyed between these two parts and the power was activated are you go from *( Point B)* -> *(Point A)*. No matter what you do, they/it WILL be destroyed again because it already happened and you can't stop it, think of it like the movie Final Destination. Only way out is destroying the power or stopping it before They/it is destroyed.
I know this is 5 months late but for anyone new watching this or simply want to enjoy the game more without thinking it has a lot of plot holes, i'll explain some of them (though I do not excuse the ton of ex machinas in the game) :
1. "Changing the future also changes the past" is because the future and past IS being intersected by the "paradoxes," which aren't the same time travel paradox by definition that we're used to. In this game a paradox is just an item, people, or monsters that are from other times or are connecting two time periods.
The first example is that after they get rid of the titan "paradox" in the future, the past was changed so that Hope never needed to go to the ruins because of the eclipse. Instead he goes there because of the future seeing machine (though for magical reasons he felt like he should wait there anyways). This was only 1 change, because of all the other "paradoxes" bridging future and past, along with every other character also becoming time travelers and bridging future and past, a single "change the future" will produce multiple changes in the past. It's basically all the "Paradox Endings" the game has, that Serah died cuz she had to watch it all.
2. (this is a guess, and same with sin #183) the reason Serah's clothing changed was because she entered a different world when the comet fell. As in she went to Noel's timeline where Cocoon wasn't there. Assuming there was also a Serah at that time wearing a different outfit. In short, she changes outfits when she changes realms. (the dream realm was an imitation of her in her original timeline so that's why she's in FFXIII outfit). If this argument isn't sound, then hell, FF ex machina. Like Dartigan said they needed a sexier design.
3. The gates don't always take them to exactly where they need to (hence the really long game), but the point is that they're moving forwards "being reckless" and doing the only thing they can because there's nothing else they can do.
4. (#95) He did the villain thing and didn't kill them because his ultimate goal was for Noel to kill himself later in the future willingly, thus releasing all the chaos. This is explained in the ending hidden Lightning scene when she fights Caius and he reveals to her that she played right into his plans right from the beginning.
5. btw I think the eclipse thing is the same as FFXV bs, as in it's not a lunar or solar eclipse like we know (they don't have an earth and sun, their world and planets are different, which begs the question why they say those words so often lol). The eclipse never happened after they went to Oerba in the future was because they got rid of the "paradox" that connected the two times, which shows up as a form of eclipse, effectively changing the past.
6. My understanding of why Snow's jumping through time solely form the game is that Lightning told him she's at another timeline in his dream and that he needs to start jumping to look for her, since that's what he was setting out to do in the first place.
7. (126-128) The guys a robot, not the actual Caius.
8.(128) Serah's just pure-hearted, she's feeling sad not only cuz its a Yeul but also at the idea that she's the one who caused their deaths (she's not actually causing their deaths but she doesn't know that at this point).
9. (156) The farewell thing is them being sarcastic, it was basically "No. No I never planned to say goodbye" "yeah I knew you guys wouldn't so I came instead"
10.(160) He waits 100 years after the blueprints and ideas are intact cuz that small planet takes 100 years to build.
11. (163) He didn't kill them earlier or actually kill them (as oppose to sending them to a dream realm) cuz 4. he needed them alive.
12. (167) The two Yeul's were talking about the same thing. The goddess's mercy freed them from the crystals, but in the process of using her powers chaos seeped through and dragged Lightning to Valhalla, effectively erasing her existence from her original time line starting the moment she uncrystalized (erasing her existence = changing her expected future).
btw, Only Serah remembers the events of what happened because she's got the goddess's eyes, think of them as the Reading Steiner and Serah is basically Okabe Rintarou from the deja vu movie.
13. (182) same as why Serah couldn't save Noel until that pillar of light thingy after he decides to leave the realm (in his case, wanting to die).
14. (188,221) Cuz Caius can't kill himself, he's immortal and only another Guardian can kill him. This case being Noel, the last Guardian, also a prick that doesn't want to kill him.
15. (192) The reason why Serah dies despite only having the power for a short while was because while Yeul's foreseeings watched flashes of the future of their entire lives, it was one future and bits of it. Serah binge watched both the future and the past change when she died, meaning all the splits in different endings.
16. (198) Lightning isn't dying cuz she's borrowing the goddess's powers to see these things. The foreseers possess the power as a gift/curse from the goddess and the consequences takes its toll out on the foreseers bodies. Think of it as Lightning is using a magical telescope to see these things instead of her own fleshy eyes.
17. (211) What, Sazh can't get another baby Chocobo to put in his fro?
18. (212) Yeah, next shot she replies to him that she's very aware of that fact lol.
19. (214) considering that crystal Serah can sometimes communicate with the characters, I'm guessing she watched the player play FFXIII in her dreams.
20. (218) Lightning supposedly dies (gets defeated) after she fishes them out of the ocean. She wakes up later to a dead Serah. I think that was part of the bonus part after unlocking all the Paradox Endings or something. It explains why she turned into a crystal again...but not how...
21. (220) not exactly a plot hole but it might be a Japanese trend nowadays with immortals wanting to kill themselves. Kaido in One Piece, Utsuro in Gintama, Ardyn in FFXV, etc. it's a character cliche.
22. (224) We all get the idea that Cocoon falling = end of the world. But we tend to forget that the end of the world wasn't because Cocoon crashed like the moon onto Earth, it's because the fear of it falling caused people to go crazy and build Transformers to fight each other, those destroyed the world.
I still agree there are still loads of plot holes as there are with pretty much any story and that's why these videos are so fun to watch (I always get great laughs from them). These problems include the fact that Noel didn't really have a "time-gazing friend" if all he did was stumble upon time travel. Snow's brand never gets explained in this game. Noel's amnesia is never explained.
Regardless I really enjoyed the video, but sometimes these videos create a hate wave for people to underrate games. It was long and maybe not the best thing in the world, but I wanted to clear up some points made in the video to give the game back a couple points for people who maybe thinking about playing or revisiting the game.
"I'M SO EDGY!" That made me laugh more than I should've.
I was so looking for a "fuck this boss fight in particular" moment 😂😂
No, fuck the puzzles!
YES FK THE PUZZLES!
Why? The final boss is a joke of a challenge lol Now those arena bosses are a different story though.
No Paradox Scope is my guess.
You forgot the fact that the giant flan in actual gameplay it absorbs fire spells but in the cinematic they attack him with it and it works😂
XIII-2 is where the XIII story just stopped making any sense. Basically, XIII-2 happens because, not only did Toriyama have a creepy fascination for Lightning -- which is disturbing in itself for so many reasons -- but a goddess _(you know, those all-knowing beings whom should therefore know what will happen next in every instance)_ de-crystallizes a few people after they have saved the world...and ultimately disrupts time, which causes numerous paradoxes and sets off a chain of events that have absolutely _nothing_ to do with the original tale. Thus, she ultimately comes off as either incredibly naive, or downright inept as a god.
Not to mention that this whole game completely nullifies the events of the first game. Everything they set out to prevent ended up happening anyway, so what was the point? They spend the whole game defying their fate and trying to save the world...and they, technically, end up destroying it anyway. Real nice... - _ -
The biggest issue with this game -- aside from the plot bearing potential, but being utterly wasted and stupid instead -- is that Serah is made a seeress out of nowhere. Seriously, where did she get those powers from? If Etro gave them to her, what made her so special over everyone else? Also, why is Serah's dream in the final episode _actually_ a dream, but Noel's "dream" is his past and it turns out he's actually there? Plothole? Or did the devs and writers just lose track of what they were doing in this terribly convoluted plot? It seems as though XIII-2 even confused _them_ .
I mean, they made Serah a seeress _just_ to kill her off, so they would have a premise for Lightning Returns. They couldn't come up with something better? Really? After XIII games, at the _least_ ...that's their best setup for a sequel? Though I suppose it's better than absolutely no basis for one, whatsoever -- like how XIII-2 came into existence. The story was resolved, and the plot fulfilled, Snow, Lightning, and Sazh got their loved ones back. Hope's mother died, but that's a part of life -- he still had his father, whom we saw him begin to repair his relationship with _in_ game. There was no reason for this story, other than one man's insane desire to see his OC waifu one last time to feed his creepy and ridiculous lust for her.
While we're at it...Hope was actually 14 in-game. How would he suddenly have gotten _older_ than Serah? He should still be living on New Bodhum with his father, in the village where Serah and Snow lived. For some reason, he is an adult with no explanation, whose younger incarnation -- his 14-year-old self -- should still be around somewhere. You know, the _real_ Hope Estheim? Do people honestly believe he would physically age 10 years without explanation? He is younger than Serah and always has been. That _especially_ makes no sense -- yet, no one questions it... Interesting...
This game left more questions than answers, but they figured that by adding a new chapter where Hope was suddenly de-aged again, the paradoxes ultimately _weren't_ resolved _(another plot-point that ended up being pointless)_ , and having every character be mulling over the deaths of a single person...all of these questions could be ignored. Then they could just bring Serah back into the picture all of a sudden by the time people forgot about all of these plotholes due to the overly-convoluted and pointless storyline.
The first XIII game was fine as is. They should have just left it alone.
All of that is explained in the game so either you didn't comprehend it, didn't play it, or didn't pay attention to anything.
Tl;dr we are l’cie-ress, frenemies of the timeline
I agree with everything you said BUT 13-1 was trash and had an equally bad story that made the same amount of sense as 13-2. Also yes I know the entire story in depth and understand how their world works yet it still made no sense and had TONS of story flaws in 13 almost if not more than 13-2. I just dont want to type them all cuz I already had this convo in an extended FF13 blog and other comments. After 12 games that all have masterfully written stories wtf happend? why does 13 exist and why is SE so obsessed with Lightning.... Ugh I dont understand why anyone wouldnt get why these games are hated so passionately. Most (if not all) of its defenders are people who had it as their first Final Fantasy only by default due to it being the only FF on PS3 for that era/generation of gamers. Otherwise this is the worst videogame trilogy in all of history without question... In every way its objective so hate me all you guys want and tell me im wrong BUT if you all do, I guarantee you will always question yourself when alone wondering if youve made a mistake by liking something bad and thinking to yourselves "damnit I refuse to believe he was right, I dont care what anyone says This is a good game!" welp in that case telling yourselves "I dont care what everyone says Its a good game" is literally called being delusional. (sorry for the rant but the fanboys for this game [not FireHeart321] dont even know themselves whats going on in the story when I break down all its flaws and its stupid plot into details. Noone gets the full plot and the people who do get the every single little tiny plot detail hate this game cuz they realize its a mess, contradicting, and a stupid story to tell in the first place)
Ugh... RUclips never notified me of these responses... Interesting...
Anyway, I used to defend XIII like crazy. But after a couple years, I don't anymore. The first game constantly contradicts itself; the second game exists for no reason other than Toriyama didn't want Lightning to be forgotten; and LR only exists because of the mess XIII-2 was -- which rumor has it, the events of LR, apparently, made XIII-2 irrelevant anyway. So if that's true, it only further implies how pointless the sequels were.
Used to be a XIII fan. I haven't touched the game in a few years now _(mainly because of Lightning and Hope; the whiniest characters ever)_ , and I often wonder what I liked about it so much. But the sequels just threw everything out the window. You can't even really call them sequels.
To the first guy whom replied: I played XIII and XIII-2. I won't touch LR for so many reasons -- mainly just, not being interested after the fiasco that was XIII-2. But I'm not an idiot... I'm not the only one whom couldn't make sense of the story -- and there's no denying that, in the first game especially, the characters directly and willingly do exactly what the Fal'Cie wanted in the end despite their initial notion of defying their fate. Meanwhile, the sequels completely tossed that notion aside: all of the characters just accept their fate(s) now, including Ms. "I control my fate", by just living with what has happened to them and, even moreso, submitting to it. Literally, in every game, the characters spend their quest trying to change fate and get a happy ending, only to do exactly as fate desires and make things even worse on themselves.
That is, literally, the plot of each XIII game in a nutshell -- and LR is so far out of left field it's not even funny.
Well said well also I think Lightning Returns could have been better without XIII-2 carry overs
Great video as always, and I actually like 13-2. Just two things. Noel remembering that Yeul was smiling when she died was because he just couldn't remember why she died, he did say he could clearly remember her face, "as if it happened yesterday". And the whole "If you change the future, you change the past" essentially just means that when changing the future, the timeline up to that point is changed to fit the new future.
I liked it as much if not more than XIII. The alternate endings was nest, but for me, the coolest thing was recruiting an enemy. What a bad ass fighting system! Imagine all the possibilities, especially when you factor in rarities and growth rate.
What if I told you....
That the XIII trilogy was highly flawed.....
but it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets...
*runs away from charging fanboys*
lol i have to agree it does not deserve all this hate because the game way fun to play (all 3 of them btw
Nice :3 i am not the only one who likes the games :3 well of course there are better games but I liked it
I agree that there are several redeeming qualities, and I think that's the main problem. It's a potentially great game marred by weird writing and gameplay that didn't quite compliment the experience the way it could've.
It's just a matter of time so we can get another FF and people can hate it and forget about this one. This video has some points, but also shows lack of knowledge just so it can point one more sin count.
+Ultimate Waffle what part is fun to play in an automatic game? the games only had the plot and they focused really hard in make the plot NOT interesting.
Everything the trilogy does is just absolutly flawed, it hurts super hard to think people actually made this and was thinking "no yeah this is fun, people will enjoy it", there is seriusly mental issues with the creators.
Still waiting for the Asura's Wrath video :D One day, dartigan, one day...
yes please please please please...
I guess I'm going to have to order a copy from Amazon in preparation.
Dartigan
You wont regret it. :D keep up the good work. i love your videos
Lightning appeared at the end there because, during her fight with Caius, she'd seen that Serah had died. She couldn't handle her death and gave up her fight with Caius and drifted in time where she ended up in both the scenes she appears in within the base game, once she helped them she met with Serah's soul at the throne of Etro and became a crystal to house Serah's soul to protect it from the flood of chaos and keep her memory alive as Serah asks, resulting in her appearance in the very last scene of her sitting atop Etro's throne.
this game is not that good, but has one of the best sound tracks in the whole series
Agreed, the soundtrack is the only good thing about this trilogy.😊
Noticed many people saying that about XIII-2, but I don’t get it. For me this was one of the worst soundtracks of all FFs (only XII had it worse imo)
Very generic instrumental music. It can get you hyped for a moment, but one hour later you already forget the music. It's not like Uematsu who makes extremely catchy melodies that are hard to forget
No it doesn't. VII, VIII, IX, X and XII disagree with you.
I'm surprised someone prefer this ost to the original XIII like what, the music form this game is very repetitive with up beat metal pop music everywhere. It only gets sad when we enter cutscenes of someone dying unlike the original that had variety with each new area. I'll admit Noel's and Yuels themes are among my favorite but that's literally the only 2 out if the entire game
I love how whenever there's a scene with rain in this game, some of the raindrops HIT A CAMERA LENS. WHY WOULD THERE BE A CAMERA
Final Fantasy XIII-2: Now boredom comes with a major headache ;)
You made my evening with that comment
Should be the sub title for the game.
They forgot to sin how NORA went from being all friendly to Noel to straight-up agreesive for no reason.
I'm surprised there were no sins for the droplets of water that were landing on the "camera", as if what we were looking through had a physical presence in the game.
This is Incredible. They were able to write 2 shitty storyline in a row.
3, XII's story was garbage too. But at least XIII was fun to play and had a good ost, can't say the same for XIII-2
I was secretly hoping this would be about twice as long and three episodes again...
I think that would kill me, dartigan and everyone else.
If he did the multiple endings then it could potentially be that long.
Thankfully, this game is a lot shorter than the first game and has far fewer characters to deal with and a 'simpler' plot. I did consider breaking it into two episodes but decided it was best to keep it as one long video.
Sin#201
Shoulda also been "make a contract with me and become a magical girl" cliche.
Damn the body language between Noel and Hope when they first meet, they're ready to fight each other! Also good to see Hope actually got kinda cooler (I blame his voice) and what's with ❄ fading away because he asked for it? Also also, good on Noel for roasting Snow.
"The heart of chaos beats in my chest." I don't care what the context is, that is an edgelord line.
I'M SO EDGY 😂
WAIT Chocolina was the little chocobo chick?! Wow I never knew
It's in the DLC where Sahz has to play games in Serendipity.☺
Also, it's mentioned in FFXIII-3
15:30 Ephemerality
Ephemerality is the concept of things being transitory, existing only briefly. Typically the term ephemeral is used to describe objects found in nature, although it can describe a wide range of things, ... Wikipedia
My god you just made me remember how batshit crazy this game actually was 😂
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Why the hell does Kupo looks so creepy.
Bonus costumes throughout the story that you can get for Mog.
5:13 Yes because things like toy versions of living creatures doesn’t exist in our world *i say while snuggling my stuffed bear*
now time to wait a year for lightning returns. It's a lot better than ff13-2 but you have to manage what you do because it's time based and can miss out on quests if you don't do them in time
now that i think of it... the only reason lighing return is better than ff13-2 is probably because it is simpler... and it is easier to make the plot less stupid when things are simpler
No... the plots still stupid mostly because it's still connected to the first two. It's a trilogy after all.
+UsonoHoushi yeah its still one of the worst final fantasy games but in my opinion it's better than the 2nd one
heartfullbutterfly Story wise, I agree, it is slightly better. The time limit game play, personally, it's not my thing. And, along with the whole FF13 universe, that just drags it down for me.
If it didn't have that aspect, Lightning returns would also be in my best of the worse out of the 13 series. But for now, that title goes to 13-2.
+heartfullbutterfly I really liked Lightning Returns' battle system. That's all I liked.
A couple of dings but serah explains (Although not sure at which point) that everyone forgot about Lightning, thus Snow went out to 'find' the sister she apparently has.
the best thing about this game is the soundtrack
39:00 This happens so often in Final Fantasy, it's almost an accidental series staple. Cloud standing in a lake and letting go of Aerith, then suddenly Aerith sinks like 100 feet, Tidus and Yuna standing in a pond and then suddenly they're in an infinite ocean when they make out... It happens.
"You-know-who is waiting for you"
"Voldemort"?
These videos must take so long to produce. Not only is there all of the video editing, writing and narration, actually playing the game for 40 or 50hrs and absolutely understanding the plot (and all of its nonsense) is an accomplishment in itself. Excellent work.
Despite how much this game got torn to pieces here though, I still love it.
Why do pretty much all time travel stories just refuse to just use the multiverse hypothesis? You know, the only way time travel could exist without causing annoying-as-hell paradoxes that are impossible to write excuses for?
I think Tales of Xillia 2 did that.
UsonoHoushi Well, in my defense, I did say "pretty much."
You could say the Higurashi/Umineko series use that concept (in so far as you can call any of it "time travelling").
ToX2 didn't have time travel though, they were going into different dimensions.
Takuya Blaze First off, Sorry if it's long. We're talking about science here.
The dimensions you travel to only have "slight" differences from the one your characters come from.(unlike with other dimension jumping stories like Escaflone and even Digimon)
If you know the concept of a multiverse (which- if you think about is the what the game's built around on), the fractures you go to look like the paths that you don't choose when making choices in life.
Also the whole game is Time themed. You fight against a Great Spirit called freaking Chronos, your key item for everything important to the plot is a Pocket watch. and the theme around the game's UI are gears in a watch.
It's not the usual style of time traveling we know of. (they never more forward or back in time) but it's pretty clear with the choices, multiple endings and all the time themes, that TOX2 is a time traveling game.
A good example is the XX time lines in 13-2. there's an Academia 400 and 4XX. Same place existing same time, but existing in two different time line. That's TOX2's Time traveling in a nut shell.
Seymour from FFX wanted to become Sin, the almost all-powerful monster that was mercilessly killing people, with the intentions of extinguishing all life on Spira. I would think that'd count for the whole 'Final Fantasy villains who want to destroy everything' guideline from sin 19 in the video, but I'll leave that up for everyone reading this right now to decide. As a sidenote, its a good thing I googled how to spell 'mercilessly', because if I hadn't my first guess was so bad that probably no one would've been able to figure out what I meant.
One sin wasn't right: The transformation to cieth is accelerated with emotional stress and panic, which could be why people where turning so fast in Academia 400.
Also all they have to do is not give a focus and they instantly transform.
Nope. It's because the proto falcie make them turn directly. And they were not lcie.
Barthandelus did the same for the calvary in ffxiii
I feel like the Oracle drive image quality is taken from X-2 sphere video of "Tidus." Like squenix thought it was a popular thing and just reused the idea but with none of the logic or plot relevance.
There's a point where one of the dialogue options actually lets you call out Noel on "Hey why would changing the future affect the past at all?" and he just outright admits he doesn't know.
Still least this game stopped me from buying Lightning Returns
16:04
"Am I seeing this correct? Snow, Serah and Noel fighting a giant tomato to hardcore metal?" I laughed so hard XD
That Giant Tomato was a pain In the ass to beat when I had the game
Lightning Returns please? You're the best at criticizing Final Fantasy
I love Caius but they did some mistakes. For example Caius is a father for Yeul and she is like a daughter because in the novel, which is Canon, it is made clear that every Yeul has to leave her family after she had her first vision or speaks her first word which is mostly at the age of 3 or 5 so Caius raised every Yeul like his own daughter just to see her die.
He does not love her as a female or as a lover he loves her as daughter like Barret loves Marlene who isn't his biological daughter but he loves her like this.
Sadly they don't show or mention that in they game you literally need to read the novel.
They also didn't show much of the relationship between Caius and Noel which would be possible because they just could make it like Noel tells Serah about his past and then you play as Noel and his Friend Yanik who also was Caius student but died because he wanted to prove that he can hunt without Noel and then get killed.
They should have put it in, like really, it would be great to play as Noel and Yanik as characters and have Caius as the third party whenever they leave their village.
They could have do it like "Tales of grace" where you start in the past or in this case in the past of Noel and then go further. It would be better and they could make the game longer with it and don't needed these paradox endings. It also shows why Noel is so angry with Snow because Snow remembered him about Yanik his friend.
They should have also added more new locations instead of copying the old ones.
But it's to late now. However Caius is my favorite final Fantasy character, I just love him. I really like his design, with the feathers in his hair and my favorite color is purple which is his hair color and his armor color. I also like his English voice. Liam O'Brian is a great voice actor. I also liked his voice in Asuras Wrath.
"...and the law of the Highlanders." I lost it xD
Well for Serah somewhere in XIII-2 or Lightning Returns it says all of the crystal created from Cocoons pillar at the end of XIII seeded Pulse with Crystals awakening peoples magic abilities.
And for Noel he's from far in the future where magic is commonplace, they even make note that Noel doesn't see the magic as anything special, by that point its normal for everyone to use magic.
i like how this guy figures this out, but publishers dont lol
Does anyone know why the music went from sweeping orchestral to generic heavy metal? It just rubs me the wrong way for some reason...much like everything else in this game!
I can't wait for someone to bash Dartigan for doing this. FFXIII fans will be salty as fuck
hahahahaha good one ff13 has fans HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Lol i have to say the game sucked the first one plus they gave us sequels nobody asked for? But then again it's Square Enix and Momotu whatever his name is and his weaboo fetish with Lightning
Pablo Delgado
what ? someone has weaboo fetish with a plank of wood called Lightning?
+Jan Handzlik Apparently the creator of lighting said he wants to marry her. God i would be soo unhappy with a woman like her
+Pablo Delgado me too she is so boring and unlikeable what he sees in her?
The only explanation for lightning being singled out is the fact that her summoning was Odin as in the ruler of Valhalla. I would guess
Noel and yule are the names for the wild Hunt which is orchestrated by Odin
39:38 Noel's Yeul was a year younger than him.
Not the case for caius tho 😂😂
Let's sum it up: A game with lots of young, pretteh characters who have maaaaagiiic!! They don't really differ that much from each other, but everyone knows how to do a motivational speech or at least die in a feelsy way. Then, moogles, darkness and light, because it's Final Fantasy.
Amen. What a cool game! We want a sequel!
This game is so fucking fun, I couldn't care less about the plotholes. My 3rd favourite FF title after FF 6 and FF 7. Easily one of the best JRPGs ever made.
True! I even got platinum trophy :D
first ff since 6 i didnt finish and never touched again. its was horrible imho
Im sad i cant give more than one thumb up here!
laz kar but there is exploring if you use the wild artefacts
If you can't follow the story-line, then you have the brain capacity of a fish. The game doesn't play itself; there are so many endings to this game.
Dajh didnt age because sazh and he were transported to serendipity shortly after the events of the first game, so their times been pretty much frozen at the end of the first game.
Is Caius the same VA as Kain from Dissidia 012
Liam O' Brien. The man with a dramatically deep and gravely voice.
He also voice Gaara if i'm correct
you're totally right
He also voices Grimoire Weiss in NieR.
And Kain from FFIV remake
Ah, Time. The most complex and simple...But complex subject. I didn't realize how fragile storytelling involving time travel can actually be. From what I know, It would have to be very consistant. There would be a lot of things to consider:
My guess is that "Time Gates" would be "Time Rifts" or Entry points to keep the mathematical fixtures of the cosmos in balance. There's also possible time loops--From realities that have already happened--Time Alterations; From the loop to changing something and breaking the loop, Distortions/Temporal Time Fluxes; Timelines that could shift or become intertwined with another timeline. But there's also something else that bugged me about this game that struck mystery...
>Wouldn't there have been a point in time where Noel and Serah would have run into ANOTHER Noel and Serah from time traveling often enough?
>Also, I know that time travel is a very......I should say sophisticated and plot-heavy subject but, No one actually...Ages the entire time during the game. So....Everyone can time travel?
**MINDBLOWN**
To summarize: The reason why time travel is such a risky trope to use is because it is a theory. Nothing is set in stone with how time travel works, leading to narratives with it having a lot of plot holes and inconsistencies.
It is impossible to keep a straight face when listening to Metal Chocobo
I guess the whole: "Changing the futrue changes the past" can work somewhat like this:
If you changed something in the future, then the past needs to change in order to fit events for the changed future. However that is seriously stretching it because if you time traveled and changed the future, that is only you changing the future. Nothing in the past had anything to do with it
Final Fantasy XIII, it's like Sonic O6 but with sequels.
8:06 it's very missable but mentioned in XIII that the people of Cocoon lived on the inside surface, not the outside, so the opposite surface is always above them. It's noticeable in for example the cutscene where they point out the city of Eden.
Funny how I can't deny all that is wrong with the game and still really love it.
Lol agrees. This guy clearly has a crush on this game, dedicated time to a video, almost just so he could hear himself. I mean, it's just a game. Sometimes the story is wonky or dumb, but can be made up for with other features like game play or graphics that let's the player still enjoy it.
same
it's my guilty pleasure tbh, alongside FFXV
Damn, it took me a while to realize where I knew that voice from, after I realized it, all I heard Caius say was 'You are not prepared'.
Yeah. I’m not forgiving hope for reminding me of Giga-Graviton. Makes me flash back to fighting Sin.
"I'm from 700 years into the future..." Tidus? Is that you...?
i feel like square is the one company that needs to not put time travel in their games especially if they're gonna make up random time travel rules to try and make it more original
I've just realized that this game is similar to Naruto narrative wise.
How so?
+Romulus Numa I just thought that the way they talk was similar to it.
+AniFrostyGhost oh yeah that is true
That is no secret all the characters in the FF13 trilogy were inspired by bad Shonen heroes. It's like the director got all of his ideas from Naruto or something.
Just wait until FF 15 when the main protagonist looks like Sasuke.
Until this day I was not aware of chocobo metal...
It seems like all of the questions you have about lighting's powers in the opening are answered by the fact that Etro, the goddess of time, chose lightning as her champion. That was the reason why she disappeared, and why she was able to move when edgelord420 froze time in Valhalla
Game never explains that
The game literally doesn't not explain that line of reasoning is why she is immune to Caius' time freezing ability.
Murin Please reread what I said. The game does not go out of it's way to tell you that. It's up to your interpretation. It might make sense but it's not like you have any concrete proof outside of your own. I came to that conclusion to. Game still doesn't out right say that's why.
Having to read the in-game wiki so that you can understand what's happening is a *terrible* way of telling a story. Codices should be optional, in case you want to learn of the details that don't concern the current story. I played throughout all of the Dragon Age series without putting a finger on the codex entries and I still managed to understand everything that was happening. FF13, on the other hand, expects you to read the thing as if you were studying for a test. Way to make your game enganging.
Are you serious? The whole point of these videos is to show perspective of someone who did play it. This series does the exact opposite of dark souls by explaining small details and not giving us the inital set up.
Why does the Think Cauis Think give me future deja vu
*patiently waits for a EWW over Lightning returns*
First off, Please do dreamfall.
Now that that's out of the way- Story aside, this was a fun game. The characters were likable, I enjoyed Pokemon aspect of collecting monsters and fighting along side them, and I like the puzzles.
Also throwing Mog for items is quite a stress relief. Especially after visiting Academia 500 AF. That place annoyed the HELL out of me.
The reason people can use magic is actually explained in XIII-2.
The worst thing about these games are how stupid the heroes are.
Villain: Kill me and the world will be destroyed!
Heroes: We´ll save the world by killing you!
Seriously! How stupid can people get!?
i actually like all three final fantasy thirteen games
I do too. People are more edgier in this comment section than Reaper in Overwatch.
There is actually nothing wrong with the story parts of the games yet somehow Americans find ways to be edgy and complain about everything.
... why? I’m legitimately asking; why? I love final fantasy but these games utterly bore me...
Same
16:12 Fun fact, this boss is supposed to be unbeatable, but it is possible through lots of grinding and premade paradigms. The real shame about this is that you still get the same damn cutscene either way. Not even a secret achievement for beating it early or anything.
So... sinning Lightning Returns anytime soon?
He only does FF13 once a year
He can only take 1 FF13 game a year.
As the others said, I only do on FF 13 game a year in the summer. So we wont finish the trilogy until 2017.
At 1:11 , the " Embrace the terror " , isn`t that a line from Shadowman ? The terror , the terror , I embrace it , they just made a twist .
Since when was final fantasy supposed to be realistic? Lol
Xethias Doesn’t mean shit.
I. Desperately. Want to see this hilarious review series finish with Lightning Returns.
Even though i think FF13-2 is a rather, poor game, Its still a step up from the previous one.
And i gotta say... I Love the music in this game.
5:02 The answer is given by one of Yuel's fragments in the Void Beyond: Pulse's Resolution.
Basically, timefuckery broke the gaps between reality and the world of magic, so anyone can use magic now.
Fabula Nova Crystallis is an unstable universe.
XIII's trilogy itself is a sin.
Noel is as good example as ever as to why we all need a gym membership.
I don't know... A lot of the "Sins" are explained in the game - you just did not understand them I guess... ^^'
While the story was ridiculous and the characters were mostly flawed, I do think XIII-2 has the best battle system in the franchise.