Road-Test & Review: 2014 Can-Am Spyder RS-S!
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Can-Am held an event at Bert's MegaMall to try out the 2014 Can-Am trikes, so I signed-up for a test ride. This thing was more than I expected, but also confirmed some suspicions.
Check out the review. This was a relaxed review so you could get the full experience.
The 2014 Can-Am RS-S as-tested starts at $18,099 USD.
Rotax® 998 cc V-twin, liquid-cooled with electronic fuel injection and electronic throttle control.
100 hp (74.5 kW) @ 7500 RPM
Dry Weight: 798 lb
ALL SPYDER RS FEATURES PLUS:
NEW Sport-tuned vehicle stability system calibration
NEW Machined Carbon Black satin front wheels
Refined front fenders with integrated LED lights
Premium color digital gauge
Electronic cruise control
Two-tone coloration with RS-S graphics
Carbon Black parts
Painted A-arm and front spoiler
Seat with contrast stitching
ABS: Anti-Lock Braking System
Brembo Brakes
DPS: Digital Power Steering
TCS: Traction Control System
Reverse Gear
SCS: Stability Control System
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I lost my sense of balance 4years ago after a major stroke. Every thing else came back but my balance issue never came back like before. I have been ridding motorcycles for over 35 years. But We don’t think it would be advisable now. I drive a 1.5 ton truck about 1000+ miles a week. No problem, I get safety awards for every year at work. The Can Am looks like my answer to getting back in the open air!! Got to test ride one, my state requires a m-3 class rating, when he I don’t have or an M class which I don’t have any longer.
I grew up riding 4 wheelers and to me, the Spyder is just like riding a 4 wheeler. I'm only 5'3 so sport bikes are too tall for me. With the Spyder, that's not an issue. When taking turns at higher speeds, just lean in the direction of the turn and you're good to go. I love mine!! I've rode over 300 miles in just over a month, (and it's Dec.) I can't wait for warm weather!! LOVE LOVE LOVE!! :D
@Drummergrl2012: Yeah, they're like road-legal 4-wheelers. However, at 5'3" I'm gonna say that sportbikes are NOT too tall for you, and women generally have longer legs than guys as a proportion of their height. I'm 5'3" as well and I can ride almost any bike I can hold up with the toes of my boot on the left side. This includes literbikes. My inseam (crotch to bottom of foot, the only useful measurement for inseam) is 29". Where there's a will, there is a way. You can do some things to help with height, such as shaving a bike's seat (which I've done on two bikes), getting inseam-assist boots (Frey-Daytona M-Star or Ladystar) or even lowering a bike if it comes to it.
:) I did enjoy the CanAm but I wasn't too keen on how it felt in turns. Two wheels are great though, and I am glad the CanAm fills a nice niche! :D
my inseam is 28" ;) I love the way cornering feels.. and I love that I don't have to worry about holding the Spyder up when stopped. It's the perfect fit for me. :)
Indeed. Very useful and fun vehicles and I am glad they found a niche.
me too :D
I own a Spyder RS-S and love it. Yes they're expensive, but you can't put a price on their safety features! I bought a good used 2011 with less than 6700 miles a few weeks ago for under $9000. I tried several 2 wheelers but came back to the Spyder. They're a blast!! Majority of Spyders owners rode or still ride 2 wheelers. I have a GS500...
I rode a can am spyder for the first time today. The accounting lady at my work has one. She is in her 60s with a poodle and she takes her poodle cross country all the time on the thing. Well, I finally convinced her to let me ride it. Fully loaded and 30K of awesomeness. They shift a little hard but other than that they are soo much fun. Took me a second to get used to the brake as this guy noted but 5 minutes in the parking lot with it and i was good to go. Great ride, all the fun of a motorcycle with the ease of a car. Still looking to buy a Harley tho.
Yeah...definitely a nice niche market and even though I shouldn't like them, I kinda like them anyway. :)
Enjoyed the review, I have been ridding motor bikes as long as I can remember. Had a Cushman Scooter when I was a kid, that thing was so big!! I was about 10 yrs old. I had a major stroke a few years back and lost my balance. Can’t even ride a regular bike very well. When I was a kid, I held the wheelie championship of my neighborhood! My last bike was a Valkyrie 1530cc’s of fun! The flat 6 power was beyond awesome. The wife and I rode thousands of miles!!! Miss that bike. Thinking about a Spyder, but those things are$$$$$$$! And the Dealers won’t budge off sticker. They will give you the MFR rebates but they want all the profit. I don’t blame them, but I’m not paying sticker less any factory rebates. I’m gonna have to look for a nice used one to save the depreciation!
I ride both I think because your more used to a bike is why you favor the bike. As I ride the spyder its just as much fun to ride as a bike for me. I never lane split. Its just not me. I been riding bikes since childhood and spyder's since they came out. This will be my third spyder I owned I cant wait to get my F3
I do like the Spyder and I am glad this vehicle exists. Would I buy one? No. But, I'll never say never. I do prefer riding and in California, lane-sharing is part of the rider experience (if you choose to accept it).
I had the same leaning sensation on Seadoos. My Dad and I collect Wetbikes, they're essentially motorcycles on water. Ski on the front and jet on the back, to turn at low speeds you simply steer. At high speeds, doing that would dump you face first into water so you need to counter-steer at high speed. I rode these before Seadoos and my first experience on a Seadoo, I leaned to turn and nothing happened, it was a crazy feeling! lol. The can-am reminds me a lot about that, they're even both made by Bombardier lol. They're literally like sitting on a couch, Seadoo or can-am, such a different experience but fun nonetheless. Thanks for the review!
Interesting! Except for the ability to drift and lean in water, I am sure there are some similarities. I rode a SeaDoo a few times and it was hella fun. The waves add some excitement too (I rode in the ocean my first two times). Thanks for watching!
I can’t explain it but I appreciate this video a lot! Thanks for the amazing content! Keep it going, sir! 💪🏽
I would like to hear from people that aren't motorcycle riders. All these reviews are always done from guys who constantly compare them to motorcycles. Can Am didn't create this thing for people who like to ride motorcycles, they created it for people who can't ride bikes or simply don't like them. Not saying that's the only people who would enjoy them but it's always the bikers reviewing them and their complaints always seem centered around the fact that it's not what their used to or it's different from a motorcycle.
AdoreYouInAshXI so true, and all u hear from them is complaining about how it’s not their kinda of bike that they are use to..
I would compare the Can-Am to a personal watercraft. You need a lot of grip strength and use the inside leg to keep you on the seat in a turn. Thanks for the review.
Good points! It really does feel like a road-going watercraft, and that's part of the fun.
It's literally like a jet ski for the road. And I think for any rider who had anything happen to them, older ones who can't ride 2 wheels anymore or even just those who are attracted to it... it is awesome indeed
creaturescorporation Yep. I can see a lot of reasons why someone would like this vehicle.
I had to get on three wheels for about a year in 2012. Had two shoulder surgeries and could not easily ride on two wheels. Didn't get a Can-Am but did get a Harley Tri-Glide. It kept me on a bike during a period where I otherwise would not have been able to ride. I've since traded it in.
+OiDirk Nice! See, that totally filled a niche. :)
I love RUclipsrs like you that answers questions and comments like yourself. These look like a lot fun to ride
Thanks! They are fun. Less fun in the twisties but the experience of riding one is quite great. They put you in traffic in a way that feels like a motorcycle but they have the presence of a small open car like a Miata. I can see why people like them, but I live for twisties.
Haha same, I dont think I'll ever get a trike, but I recommended something like a Can Am trike because she's kind of scared of being on two wheels on a road and doesn't like manual shifting. Anyway keep up with these reviews and videos, I love them.
JasonG .JasonGuTiErReZ
Thanks Jason!
I'm only 15, but I want one of these when I'm older. I would definitely go on a road trip with it.
TheOutty500 Cool! I'm wondering how it would be on a road trip. I think it would frustrate me greatly. At a certain point I'd rather be in a car for that.
Yea probably. It'd suck if it rained haha. And your back would hurt like crazy after like 100 miles or so I guess
Nice video... These trikes are becoming very popular here in Australia...
I was talking to a lady Can-Am rider a few weeks ago... she had swapped from a GoldWing to the Can-Am. She loves the trike, the only thing she noted was how, after riding it on a big trip, it fatigued her much more than riding the Wing did...
She gave the trike two thumbs up though.
It would be nice to be able to afford both a bike and a trike... best of both worlds.
Yeah, I would totally have the sporting (or even touring) version of this along with my sportbike if I could afford it..mostly so I could take my girlfriend with me on the canyons since she's way too scared to get on the back of a motorcycle.
Since my last comment...I now own a Can-Am Spyder...I also kept my beloved Kawasaki 900 Vulcan Classic... I now have the best of both Worlds...
Cheers
Dallas Nyberg Congrats!
After watching your review on one of these Can Am's I'm absolutely positive I would never give up my ninja 300 for one of those! Lol sure wish I had twisties like that around here in New Orleans. I miss riding in Colorado mountain roads.
Yeah it kinda helps to see a vlogger who normally rides on 2 review one of these, eh? I need to head back to Azusa and ride those roads on the Ninja ZX-3R!
I've ridden a few bikes and scooters and put a good number of kms on them. I have ridden the RT version of this machine. A few things strike you as soon as you sit on it. It is not a bike - yes I know that is obvious but two wheels up front means no leaning of the bike and no counter-steering. The right-hand grip of death is another thing to try and get out of your riding style. The RT I rode had cruise control as does my Kawasaki Voyager 1700 so I am used to a little lighter touch on the throttle once you hit the open road but the Spyder has so many built in safety features, traction control, stability systems, ABS as well as one pedal brake operation that if it senses you are pulling too hard in one direction it will attempt to correct by adjusting the response of the other front wheel. Personally I like the paddle shift and the auto down shift once you close off the throttle so that as you approach lights or an intersection you are only concentrating on the right amount of braking and making sure the people in cages are paying attention to you. It is a different feel than a CVT you have on a scooter where once you close off the throttle the machine almost comes to a stop - which can be annoying for people behind you when you are trying to time your stop a the lights. In your commentary you suggested it could tip over and I guess that's true because you don't want to give riders a false sense of security but you have to remember this is not a sports bike that can be thrown around the curves and bends. You can ride it and get a thrill from riding it but it is a different machine and gives a different response to any two wheeler. I have never driven a 2 at the back trike but I was a passenger on one once. I feel the Can Am set up is safer with the host of safety systems I mentioned earlier built in that don't exist on most bike to trike conversions or even the specially built trikes from Germany or other places. As I am 65 I realise the years of riding the big Kawasaki may soon (hopefully not too soon) come to an end but I still want to ride - be out with the wind in my face and ride with my son so the Spyder may be the next option. As always enjoy the ride it is not the bike but the ride itself - not the destination but the road with friends or by yourself that is the appeal of motorcycling.
been riding mine for the last 2 years...I set it up with car tires for better traction and stability. The trick to have fun in twisties with the Spyder is to get off the seat and lean your body inwards with your butt off the seat...kinda like a snowmobile...then floor it. I've hit curves at 165 km/h. It's not a motorcycle..I'll never compare it to a motorcycle...the ride is just different. Lots of fun if you know how to push it.....cheers from Montreal
Yeah I still had fun, just wouldn't buy one. I can see why people like them. :)
i have a 2 wheeler and i still love my can am spyder!!
Rock-on! I'd like more time with a Spyder on some of my favorite roads.
I totally agree
That's why I ride both.
Excellent ride-a-long video and commentary brother! I've been thinking about getting another bike for years now, but due to health considerations, I need the stability of a 3 wheeler like the Can-Am Spyder. Will now have to check out my nearest East Coast dealer and arrange my own personal Test Ride. Thx for sharing...
@ChronicPain Gardener: Thanks! Glad that make vehicles like this for people who want to ride without having to deal with the downsides of 2-wheels! :D
the best after market item i found is the corbin seat . It has a door on the side by the fuel cap so you do not need to raise the seat to fuel it . I ;like that seat that way if i have a bag in the passenger seat i do not need to take it off to fuel the bike
Thanks Spacepod I was about to go to sleep and then you have to upload a video!
Pleasant Can-Am Dreams!
***** Haha, by the way I think the best comparison would have to be an ATV. I use to bomb them around my dads farm and like you said. If you go around a corner fast it throws you away from the controls.
Honestly can am is cool for how it helps people who cannot ride a two wheeled machine. (Like my friend who has a balance issue and could never ride a motorcycle) Yet otherwise definitely not my cup of tea and I was not impressed with the 1/4 mile times for that much cash.
When you were back on your bike and did your first split. I thought those cars were going to keep getting closer...
Zalonka
That first split you saw on the bike was hairball! They did seem to be closing in and I had to do a little dip to clear the right mirror. Crazy.
It was weird being on the bike again after the Can-Am run. :D
The Can-Am is very much like an ATV. It would almost make more sense if the riding position were one where you could lay down and use your feet to brace in turns. Maybe there's a way to do that with the current model. Would need more seat time and twisties to find out.
***** I was thinking it would be cool if they had like the mechanical engineering to allow you to lean it in the corners! Maybe if they sold a version where you could do that? Million dollar idea? who knows.
Zalonka
They do have a few vehicles coming out like that. The Persu (based on the Carver One) is an amazing new vehicle slated for 2015 (it leans, but you're inside a little bubble car). There are several 'tesseract' style vehicles with 3-4 wheels which lean, but are narrow-track like a motorcycle (lane-splitting) but with a lot more stability than 2 wheels.
Just wanted to say thanks for the videos! Today I went on my first ever MC ride( as a rider!) (or yeserday pretty much 24th) A Yamaha Fazer Naked. It was difficult at first but the balance stuff felt more and more natural after a while! Keep the good videos coming!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching. Congrats on getting-comfortable with riding via the Fazer!
***** Thanks! Now I just got to tame the beast and learn how to "walk and run" Glad to be part of the community.. finally! No way back now! :D
btw I have a 2012 RSS .. didn't get it because I couldn't ride a 2 wheeler... actually rode a Harley Davidson Softtail Heritage Classic for about 12 years prior to buying the Can Am. I ride it because I love it and can hit the curves by shifting my butt on the seat just as well. It did take a minute to get use to knowing how to ride a Can Am (in which with only one ride, I can see how you would get nervous). But I hate that you say that people have to be handicap or scared or have scared passengers to chose Can Am. I thought I would tell you that there are exceptions to that rule .... some of us just fell in love with the way it rides (ie not scared of 2 wheels at all).
I also have a 2012 RSS... was looking at all the nice bikes in the showroom at half the price and my whole riding life flashed before my eyes. Lotta fun, yeah, but a few close calls that would make a comedy in itself over 7 bikes and 4 scooters... After my test ride, I was hooked. At 68, I'm looking at an F3-T.... call me crazy...
Looks like a blast. I wouldn't mind trying one.
Roadghost88 Deffo worth a try.
Cool, you were here, I live like two minutes away from berts.
Way cool. Another viewer mentioning seeing me from their car and someone else came to say 'hi' in the parking lot. :) Lots of viewers around the Bert's area that day.
When are you coming around here again spacep0d so may be we can meet and me personally take some riding lessons from you bro as a new rider is good to learn from n people like you....by the way I'm the one seeing you close to my house while b I was driving on the other side of the street.
They should make off road/adventure version
The touring model looks like a whole lot of fun for touring -- like you could really ride it for 12 hours and not feel totally beat.
Yep, though it depends on the road. There's effort in the steering in the way you're fighting centrifugal force in an effort to stay on the vehicle. Even in a straight line, there's a lot more grip on the road and that takes maintenance through the bars. Bikes are pretty effortless to ride but for the pressure on wrists or possible strain on backs from a sportbike position on a long ride. I guess it depends on what the rider is comfortable on.
That was a great review of the Can-Am. My wife has been wanting one since I showed it to her 2 years ago. I think they would be a great bike for doing a iron butt style run or even Bwom hitting all 50.
I can see why people like them, even though I prefer bikes!
I've got a 2012 RSS. Feel free to ask me any questions. It took me over 1,000 Miles to become fully accustomed to the unique riding stance/style of the spyder vs a bike.
Sweet. Have you customized it at all? How do you like it in the twisties?
I've roade 2 wheels all my life but my knees want to give out way to easy at the youngish age of 49 .I am looking at one of these now .Not sure yet but it's looking like I may have to go this way .Thanks for the long review ,
Russell Cupples Yay, someone likes the long reviews! Glad you liked it. See, this would be perfect for ya. Still fun too. Feels a lot like riding a snowmobile on the road.
I am almost certain this is where I have to go .You do great reviews .
Russell Cupples
Thanks!
Great video good quality and nice commentary!!
Dude I don't blame you! That San Gabriel Reservoir area looks sick. I'm jelly. Haha
Lean into the curve as it tries to throw you off the outside.
Very cool! Love the staggered attempt at 35:30, I thought about one of these for my wife... Or for us to tour around on with the kiddos. Bit pricey - and I would miss the filtering :(
Yeah..my girlfriend tried to get on the back of the R1 with me one time and it was like, 'No go'. So, this kind of vehicle allows a nervous passenger to feel comfortable and explore some of why we like riding, and be part of the community. They are definitely pricey.
Wow, this vid's got a few views. Hope people enjoyed the test!
It's no more Bombardier. The whole motorised vehicule division has been sold to Camoplast in August 2004. BRP is now completely independant.
Also good to know!
that signature comment was hilarious
Haha thanks.
Crazy, I drove one for a bit after totaling my ZX. My ex-wife didn't want me to get another bike but I sold her on the spyder. It was just not my thing. It doesn't corner anything like a two wheeled bike, and it drinks worse than a car. It also didn't seem to be a quick as I would have liked, but that was probably down to cornering. I can see its place, its just not for me.
Yeah for the money (between the RS-S and the RT model) you could buy a FIAT 500 Abarth! Way overpriced for what it is. Still, I can see why people might like them for very specific needs/wants.
how is the can am for taller/larger riders? i'm 6'4 350+ lbs and ride a suzuki M50.
it's alot more stable than most motorcycles
+Ricardo Cortez Yep, but it's a tradeoff. Glad these types of vehicles exist though.
Thanks for the video, I am hoping to buy one next year and go riding
Sure thing!
Very good review, I seem to never see these test ride events anywhere near me . I do agree I would be weirded out with the attempting to turn it, I guess it's like riding an ATv . If your a big ATv guy a can am would be second nature , even a big snow mobile guy. The loss of lane splitting won't be viewed as a big deal cause Cali is the only state u can do it in , which sucks . Thanks for the vid, I'm trying to see if there are ny test ride events near New York, but none .. Oh well one day..
Yeah I suppose ATV and Snowmobile peeps would feel right at home. I think the evolution of 'stable' motorcycles is still in its infancy, and we're gonna see some no-tip motorcycles soon that can also lean. ;)
I agree this can am may not appeal very well to motorcycle riders, because we as "mitorcyclist" have gotten into this sport mainly for the rush of leaning .. Which is something u also stated ... So getting on a can am with the expectation of 2 wheel gratitude will only cause upset.. If anyone will test ride the can am , u have to approach it with the mental stand point of having a open mind for something new and different .. I'm hoping to get a test ride on one this summer, but man if I could find some twisty roads like what you did.. Cause twisty roads is like crack Mannnnn lol ...... Addictive ..
(Fine print : I have no idea of how addictive crack is . End fine print)
Yeah, the leaning is much of the fun for us riders. Without the leaning, it's not nearly as fun.
Spacep0d, you and BXD are my favorite motorvlogers :D
@Road Rager: Thanks!
Both sides are gonna defend themselves, and nothing compares to the unique art of riding a 2-wheeler, granted. But in 50 years of riding, I'm up for something new and I can only house 1 "extra" vehicle. I'm digging the Spyder and might be willing to fork out for a F3 or Sea & Sky. Such is the draw of the Spyder.
So this would be a good bike for someone who doesn't know how to do the manual and shifting very well. I would love to have one it seems like it would be fun to drive!
ManjuOcean Indeedy. I prefer two-wheels...but I am glad these vehicles exist.
There's a manual model too ! The RS model
Interesting review but, on a twin you should use a higher gear and let the torque move you around. It would feel less sensitive to throttle response as well. You'll get better mileage too...
Cool video, I think I would prefer those P3 scooters over these. The scooters actually lean with you but stay upright once you stop, it's kind of cool actually.
Yeah...those leaning 3 and 4 wheelers are gonna be cool!
the view at 19:05 , love it !
+Shops Marius Thanks!
Nice review SP-
Have yet to ride/drive one of those- the shifting sounds clunky/rough..
Thanks for the review.
Some of that was my fault. When I was under power and shifting the shifts tended to be much smoother. Also better with more revs...say 5-7k.
The first time I thought you said Lowtax powered and I was looking for the grenade logo, lol
Hehe!
You suppose to shift you butt on the seat in the twisties my friend... since the bike don't lean, by shifting your butt you are in the same forces as a 2 wheel ... the forces make butt presses seat in the same direction.
I would love to see a can-am style trike that can lean and power to all wheels
Awesome! I think they're a bit pricey but very cool - love my m/c but these are cool to take others along or if I need a cane to walk one day (have had 5 knee surgeries).
Indeed! Great for anyone who'd struggle to hold up a bike.
thanks for the video! hope to get one soon!
You would give up the fun in the twisties, but I bet touring would be a breeze on those, and you would still be out in the open (opposed to being stuck in a cage). Wonder how they are off-road. ;)
Touring would be fun and passing still possible. Nice to be able to use the carpool lane, though sitting in choked-up traffic would kinda suck coz you'd get all the fumes.
Awesome vlog/ review ***** ride safe!!
Thanks!
I sat on one of these at my dealership and I immediately hated the foot holds and seating position, I was sliding forward quite a bit. They were either adjusted wrong or the design doesn't suit my body's tastes. My dad was thinking of getting one or at least testing one because he misses riding extremely bad, and cant get his leg over seats due to his handicap. It would be nice to get a look at the engine though, i love working on Rotax two-strokes but haven't touched one of their thumpers yet.
Gotcha! yeah they seem a little wide too. It's an interesting vehicle. I looove the looks of it. Would be cool if the chassis leaned somehow even with those 3 wheels.
V twin...just wandered why you were spinning the guts out of the engine! No torque?
6-7 grand in town? Kept saying...shift...shift...SHIFT!!! Good vid tho, enjoyed it and learned something too! I don't think I could get used to it leaning out in the turns...friq me out. I'll keep my Harley, thank you!
Yeah, was getting used to it. I am also used to revving bikes so I was riding it in a way I thought made sense.
Thanks for the video. I'm going to get one.
No probs and congrats!
Awesome spyder I want one just because it is a safer bike new wave of the future.
Those seem like a lot of fun to ride. But I wouldn't get as much of a rush as I do on a sport bike.
@Caldwell Malone: Not quite as fun as a motorbike, but fewer dangers too...fewer hazards..more relaxing. I would get one of these before I got a cruiser. :D
Just different limits to push.
Great report brother. God bless u
OsamaKhalid 18 Thanks for watching!
Wow this thing is very cool.
Its more expensive in Holland
Cool video
Ivo Leeman Thank you for watching!
The main reason I am thinking about purchasing a Spyder is due to my mother not liking 2 wheelers... That said I have looked at Spyders and I am very confused about the Law in California to ride one. Do I need a motorcycle license or driverse license to ride one??? Another thing to mention is that I've been riding quads my whole life so I somewhat understand what I would be getting into.. And the last thing is that I'm 15 and I would look into purchasing one between Christmas and my 16th birthday or sometime after.. I know I'm young but it is one of my favorite vehicles I've seen and sat on in my life!
fonite It's really expensive, even for a full-grown adult with a good job! But yeah, I think in some ways it's the worst of both worlds (can't lane-split, can't lean properly into turns, slower, expensive, still at risk in a collision with a car)-but the best of both in other ways (wind, feel, no inherent instability). So, it's a lot of money and well, eventually you can get a bike even if your mum doesn't like them.
Maybe you could wait to own a bike until you're working, out of the house, making your own money, etc. You could also just get a smaller motorcycle...but the biggest risk is not just about 2-wheels, but about the silly stuff cagers do. A Can-Am won't help much with that. I don't even know how a 15 year old could afford a Can Am unless you get help buying one.
Either way, good luck!
I want one, so damn expensive tho!
Yes it is, wife just got one, I drive a Valkyrie she had a Burgman 650 which is a huge scooter from Suzuki but it was too heavy for her to constantly balance so she decided on the Can-Am RSS. It's a totally different animal but the 3 wheels make her feel more comfortable.
Looks like it was fun. Too bad I couldn't join you. That guy who kept passing is my kind of guy. Sometimes people are way too tame on these kind of test rides. You need at least one chance to open it up.
Azusa Canyon is pretty fun. You should have taken the time to go up and down. The bottom half is easier, lots of big turns. It tightens up near the top but not as badly as The Snake or Decker Canyon(23).
We finished around Friday at 3:30p so I was glad to get back to miss Friday traffic. However, we should go back to Azusa sometime and do a proper ride.
*****
For sure. Maybe double header. Up\Down Azusa and then Up\Down GMR?
Yesh!
Brand new subscriber and saw this video on your test drive and had to give a view. How easy is the bike in general to shift? I'm looking at getting a Spyder RS. it seemed like at the lower gears it grinded a little, but at the higher gears, it was smoother or is that due to shifting at the wrong RPMs? ...I fall into the "I dont feel comfortable with two wheels under me category and don't want to risk laying it down." Thanks for making this!!! This is reaffirming my desire to get one. In Texas you have to possess a motorcycle license to even be able to test drive one at a local dealer.
Connor Joyner Glad to help! I know there are specific people who would really like a Can-Am but who may not be ready, willing or able to ride on two.
very nice video well done
Thanks!
Nice review i have only seen them in windows before so this was cool :)
Woot! I tried to bring the spacep0d thoroughness to the review here, and make people feel part of it...like they were there that day.
Seems fun, I get the sense the quad comparison is quite apt. I'd love to try one. On the one hand, what I love about riding is the leaning, that's what gives you the feeling of flying, swooping, carving. But if I were handicapped or even just a bit older in years it is definitely something I would consider. Actually, if I were a more monied individual one of these would be awesome for longer road trips.
Wow just watching this I get a very distinct feeling that I would crash it trying to countersteer. How weird that must feel! I'd worry about forgetting how wide it is too.
Do these have hydraulic automatics or manumatics / DCTs, or even something else? Sounds like dog gears like on a motorcycle. Same thing but computer controlled? Just curious. How smooth was the shifting? Do they have ABS? Do they have a reverse gear or would you have to walk them backward?
Fantastic episode, *****! Really long one but flew by, couldn't believe it. Wanted to see more. :) Got a really good idea of what it's like to ride one. Awesome work!
Great to hear that, MotorMerc...I mean, that you could watch the whole thing and it 'flew' by. Awesome. That's what I go for with vids, even when they're longer.
As for the Can-Am, I should have explained more of the tech stuff but yes they do have steering assist. Ride by wire. Shifting is smooth as long as you're on the gas and at a good RPM. Reverse gear, yes they all have it. ABS, yes! Traction-control, Brembo brakes, Digital Power Steering, etc.
Sweet! They sound like great machines, do you know anything about their reliability?
Yeah man awesome job on the video, I was up late watching it, glued to the screen! :)
MotorMerc
Awesome! I know nothing of their reliability though.
40:57 very dangerous maneuver spacep0d..... if one of the cars moved the wheel slightly, you'd be toast.
Well that's true for all lane-splitting and all riding. If X cager did Y, you'd be toast. If X cager moved when you didn't expect it, you'd be toast. The thing is, they didn't move because they were already next to each other and there was no reason for them to get closer. There were some reasons for them to move further away. I'm 45 and have never had an issue lane-splitting. Actually, one pedestrian almost got himself flattened because he walked between cars during some slow-speed splitting.
But yeah, lane-splitting looks scarier than it is...especially on camera. It's really scary for people who aren't used to splitting or live in non-splitting areas.
I always see those test rides into Azusa canyon, but I have no interest to try.
You were in my neck of the woods, I live less than 5 minutes away from Berts. Next time you're out here, shoot me a message, I'll take you up to gmr to Mt. Baldy.
Sounds good! I need to do GMR again. Been way too long.
Good review!!
Thanks!
I guess I have to buy the RT Limited
im not afraid of regular bikes but it is good to have one of those. :)
Sure. I like it in-theory but hated it in corners. I'd rather have a Persu, that leaning 3-wheeler. ;)
sure you had some fun right there man jejejeje im glad to see that. yeah, that what i noticed but at least you tried it and had the chance to give your thoughts about this can-am bike. thanks for sharing :)
bokuwaVegetadesu
No probs!
Took me 4 sittings but I finally watched the whole video! Lol
The Rotax 998cc v twin engine Is the same that is in my bike, but the Aprilia rsv as standard has 142bhp.... wonder why the Canam only has 100bhp? Maybe down to safety in the corners so your less likely to be thrown from the trike??
Glad ye made it through! I know...long vids! The 100 bhp is pulling a goodly amount of weight too.
It has a computer control system that monitors the front wheels. If it thinks you are going into a corner to hot it will cut the throttle to keep both wheels on the ground.
ThreeStreets42
Good to know.
Red knob on right handlebar,what is it for? Thank You
Azusa, isn't that were they filmed the mask?
Pilots have a saying that might apply here . . . a superior pilot uses his superior JUDGMENT to avoid a situation where he will need to exercise his superior skill. Although I appreciate your review, and although it may be legal, there are plenty of good reasons to not be lane-splitting. It's only my opinion, but if you're going to start doing semi-professional reviews for the public, then you should make the leap to acting professionally. You are setting yourself up to be an example. And somewhere out there, a kid is dying right now on a stretch of asphalt because he, too, wanted to look cool and save an extra minute. I enjoyed the information that you offered, and had you shown some respect for the safety and convenience of all drivers, I would have gladly given a thumbs up. BTW, I agree. Motorcycles are just more fun.
type40 pilot Hi there type40.
First, lane-sharing in CA is legal. While there are perceptual differences between what is 'safe', the same can be said for driving, riding or flying. My girlfriend screams at maneuvers I think are reasonable and well-within my skillset. We have different perceptions of what should or shouldn't be done on the road or in a car.
While your safety concern is appreciated, the dark side of that would be over-limitation due to this same concern. Perhaps, this is why it's not legal to laneshare in the other 49 U.S. States, which I think is a mistake. I don't lane split to look cool but because it's an effective use of a motorcycle in CA, where lane-sharing is permissible. But, my lane-sharing you saw is rather automatic and par-for-the-course, because I've grown-up in CA and I've been lane-sharing as long as I've been riding, with no incidents to report. Wait, there was that pedestrian who was jaywalking between cars and my quick reactions saved him from being hit.
From a safety vantage, motorcycling itself carries risk, inherently. Should we make that illegal? Should people not ride because of the inherent danger, especially with so many distracted or entitled and selfish cagers on the road?
Anyway, thanks for watching. Be careful in that plane!
***** Many of us are well aware that it's legal in California, and that's one of a thousand reasons I don't live there. But many exceedingly stupid things are legal. That's not an excuse for poor decision-making. A poor choice continues to be poor despite the legality of the issue. We are also aware that some will beat the odds. But many others will not, and they will pay a price. You don't have to search for very long to find youtube footage of people losing that game of chance, and hurting others in the process.
An argument is always most effective when it's a discussion of pros and cons. So I do understand and appreciate your point regarding the definition of "safe." And I think we all realize that life can't be lived without measured risk. Nor would we want that. But I think you've missed my greater point . . .
The roads and streets of America are NOT playgrounds, and a motorcycle license is not a waiver for you to test or exercise your "skillset." Roads are meant for ONLY one purpose, and that is the SAFE transportation of people and goods. Efficiency comes second. Enhanced life experiences and opinions come last. If you were on a separate track, I'd say "go for it." Hell, I'd be there doing it with you. But you're not. Right next to you, in those cars you pass, are moms, dads, and kids. They just want to get groceries without having an accident that involves injuries, insurance calls, and down-time for their vehicle.
Ask yourself a question. Why does every single state paint a line between lanes? Seriously, think about the purpose of that line for a moment. What was the intent of that line? Would you want to drive the rest of your life on roads, streets, and highways that weren't lined at all? It would be a dangerous mess, and you know it. But that is exactly what you're pushing on others every time you come to a light. The lines become meaningless to you. So others must now work harder to be safe because you have unilaterally decided to take away their space. "I've always done it this way" is not a good reason for continuing unsafe behavior.
If riders don't ride responsibly, then they deserve their fate. But others are forced to participate in the delinquency when you're on a public roadway. I have broken bones at the track, and I have done stupid things in every kind of vehicle imaginable. But I confine my stupidity, so that it can only hurt me. And even then, how many people have I inconvenienced with my stupidity? How much of a burden did I place on my family or the ambulance crews? I have picked up the pieces of dead people, and I can tell you first-hand that it makes you grow up after a while. One day, you will have a child or a friend or a relative who will die for no good reason, and you will realize that it didn't have to be that way. You may even find yourself wishing that they had spent more time listening to reason, or that they had been flexible enough to try something new, just because it was the right thing to do.
I'm asking you, as a friend, to lead by example. Show us that you care about safety. Show us that you care about Responsible Riding. Everybody wins that way. And who knows, maybe you'll save a hundred lives down the road, because they will remember hearing about "how not to ride" from an experienced voice. You could do an entire series on how to ride safely, and you would deserve a million more thumbs up. I would watch that series.
Finally, you can bet your butt that I'll be careful in the plane. My airline and my passengers would be pretty upset if they found out that I was taking unnecessary chances for ANY reason. They deserve my best efforts. The same thing holds true on the street.
type40 pilot Thanks for the reasonable response, despite our apparent disagreement. Let's see if we can illuminate this argument further. I also appreciate your line-breaks and command of the language.
"Many of us are well aware that it's legal in California, and that's one
of a thousand reasons I don't live there. But many exceedingly stupid
things are legal. That's not an excuse for poor decision-making. "
Agreed. However, it still comes down to perception. When I'm riding solo on a bike, I have myself to think about and those around me (other motorists, pedestrians, etc.). I also have to think about the repercussions if anything were to happen to me, though I still ride motorcycles so despite that inherent risk, the risk/reward in my view is well worth it. Is lane-splitting stupid or poor decision-making? To the non-splitter, this might seem the case. I get heat from people in non-splitting states/locales on-occasion, and I suppose this should be expected. What is 'normal' for me may be shocking to others.
"A poor choice continues to be poor despite the legality of the issue."This also can be true. It's legal to drink till you're blotto. Is that smart? It certainly can be abused, and I don't enjoy killing brain cells. I also don't enjoy being drunk. There's a value-judgement here. It's legal to be stupid, but I think it's ill-advised. The idea of whether lane-splitting is a poor choice is the very crux of the debate, so I don't grant that premise out of hand. "We
are also aware that some will beat the odds. But many others will not,
and they will pay a price."
Also true. But, I don't see it as *simply* a matter of passive odds. This may help your argument, because you will then say that NOT lane-splitting is 'safer', that is, until you consider the very real possibility of a smart-phone-distracted cager rear-ending me. I've almost been rear-ended in my car. When I lane-split, being rear-ended is much less likely.
"You don't have to search for very long to find youtube footage of people losing that game of chance, and hurting
others in the process."
The same can be said for riding in-general, or driving. We can only mitigate risk, but lane-sharing is permissible and has a huge payoff for yes, an increased risk for *some* types of accidents. There's also risk *not* lane-splitting, as our small rear profile makes it easier for us to get rear-ended by the cager checking Facebook.
"An argument is always most effective when it's a discussion of pros and cons."
Yes, and it's good not to make fallacies. When you said that I was splitting because it was 'cool', you assumed a conclusion and knocked it down. This is known as a strawman fallacy. People split for many other reasons than to look cool, just as we ride for many reasons beyond showing off some kind of fashion accessory. ;) I'm pretty good at this debate stuff.
"So I do understand and appreciate your point regarding the
definition of "safe." And I think we all realize that life can't be lived without measured risk. Nor would we want that. But I think you've missed my greater point . . .The roads and streets of America are NOT playgrounds, and a motorcycle license is not a waiver for you to test or exercise your "skillset.""
But nobody is claiming such a thing. Forgive the repeat mention of a fallacy, but you're answering an argument I never made. I don't think roads are playgrounds. You don't see me stunting or not wearing gear. I take this sport seriously. I simply choose to lane-share (as permitted by CA state law), but you observe that in your value-system, this is not something you would do. Have you ever lane-split on a bike? This always looks scarier on camera too.
"Roads are meant for ONLY one purpose, and that is the SAFE transportation of people and goods."
Agreed, though I don't think all road-engineers share your ideology. Why make twisties, but for reducing the grade of a climb or descent on a steep mountain? Why make roads that are fun? Clearly, some roads are made to be fun, are they not?
"Efficiency comes second. Enhanced life experiences and opinions come last. If you were on a separate
track, I'd say "go for it." Hell, I'd be there doing it with you. But you're not. Right next to you, in those cars you pass, are moms, dads, and kids."I agree, but I'm not hitting anyone nor am I endangering lives. In fact, I have more to worry about from them than vice-versa. I don't consider hitting mirrors something that is 'ok' to do, ever. " They just want to get groceries without having an accident that involves injuries, insurance calls, and down-time for their
vehicle."
Yes, but they chose to have kids and be in slow, ponderous vehicles which can't lane-split. Some people choose sports cars or exotics. Some people ride bikes or walk. I choose motorcycles in many cases. Lane-sharing is permissible, and I do it safely and legally. Again, safety is also perceptual, which is why the basic speed law exists, where speed limit signs on CA surface-streets are a 'presumption of safe speed', and arguable in court. I know because I've beaten 'speeding' tickets by arguing the basic speed law, and anyone could make the same arguments you're making about perception of speed and 'safety'.
""Ask yourself a question. Why does every single state paint a line between lanes? Seriously, think about the purpose of that line for a moment. What was the intent of that line? Would you want to drive the
rest of your life on roads, streets, and highways that weren't lined at all? It would be a dangerous mess, and you know it."
Lane-sharing is permissible in CA. So, your argument is a non-sequitur. Doesn't follow.
"But that is exactly what you're pushing on others every time you come to a light. The lines become meaningless to you. So others must now work harder to be safe because you have unilaterally decided to take away their space."
It's permissible. The line is there as a guide, but you can also cross the lines. You can lane-share in CA permissibly. Some lines cannot be crossed though, even when lane-sharing. Double-yellow carpool lane lines. Should not be crossed.
""I've always done it this way" is not a good reason for continuing unsafe behavior."
Strawman. Not my argument. Avoid strawman arguments. Argue the point, not an imagined point or a point you make on behalf of your opponent.
"If riders don't ride responsibly, then they deserve their fate."
Philosophy. Different argument here.
"But others are forced to participate in the delinquency when you're on a public roadway."
It's permissible, which means it's by-definition not delinquent or even an infraction, unless an officer of the law deems it as-such. Again, it's perception, varying even by cop.
" I have broken bones at the track, and I have done stupid things in every kind of vehicle imaginable. But I confine my stupidity, so that it can only hurt me. And even then, how many people
have I inconvenienced with my stupidity? How much of a burden did I
place on my family or the ambulance crews? I have picked up the pieces
of dead people, and I can tell you first-hand that it makes you grow up
after a while. One day, you will have a child or a friend or a relative
who will die for no good reason, and you will realize that it didn't
have to be that way. You may even find yourself wishing that they
had spent more time listening to reason, or that they had been flexible
enough to try something new, just because it was the right thing to do.
I'm asking you, as a friend, to lead by example. Show us that you care
about safety. Show us that you care about Responsible Riding.
Everybody wins that way. And who knows, maybe you'll save a hundred
lives down the road, because they will remember hearing about "how not
to ride" from an experienced voice. You could do an entire series on
how to ride safely, and you would deserve a million more thumbs up. I
would watch that series."
I am told that I am a safe rider all the time, despite the fact that I ride in a spirited-fashion. I'm not here to be Mr. Safety. I am here to be reasonable. What you think is reasonable and what I think is reasonable have differences and overlap, to be sure. Occasionally I get heat about lane-sharing from people in non-lane-sharing areas. Some people think I rev too high or ride too slowly. You can't win. I am 46 though. I didn't make it this long because I am reckless.
"Finally, you can bet your butt that I'll be careful in the plane. My
airline and my passengers would be pretty upset if they found out that I
was taking unnecessary chances for ANY reason. They deserve my best
efforts. The same thing holds true on the street."
Yes, but when you have passengers with you, you're held to a much-higher and more-strict standard. You have many people and agencies and lawsuits to answer-to if you mess-up. Lane-splitting when it's permissible? That's a very different proposition.
At 46, I would think that you've realized that there is no such thing as a higher standard for safety. I do not value all of those lives any differently than one life. I do not give a twit about agencies or lawsuits. I only care that no single individual is harmed. Let alone, multiples. Tell me, how would you feel if your girlfriend died during one of your maneuvers? Oh never mind, by the time it's happened, it will be too late to sit and debate the merits of safe behavior.
If you choose to call motorcycling a sport, then draw that parallel one inch further and compare it to every other sport . . . where the activity is confined to an area separated from the public. I assure you that 99.9% of those driving around you are not committed to any "sport" at the time. And on a related topic, it may well be true that before building a road, the designer is left with a choice between "safe and fun" and "safe and not fun." No one would fault them with choosing the more interesting option. But that is completely irrelevant. We are discussing BEHAVIOR on the road. You are deflecting when you say that the roads and laws allow you to act unsafely. I am merely stating that you should choose not to. The signs say that you can enter turns at a high rate of speed during a rain shower. Prudence would dictate otherwise.
The only strawman fallacy being advanced here is your own. I actually never said that you lane-split to look cool. I only offered one example of why a young person might attempt to do so. I have no idea why you, personally, would choose to do so. I can only say that I lose all respect for those who do.
Ultimately, I am back to my original point. You want to lead this discussion back to how you are legally allowed to do it. You want to pull the conversation back to the pros of lane-splitting . . . you have fun . . . you feel protected from rear-ending . . . etc., etc., etc. ad infinitum. You are missing my argument, yet again. The paint is on the road to delineate the space that is supposed to be available to each individual vehicle. They are protected fore and aft by the proper following distances recommended by each state (3 second rules and so on.) But they are protected on the side by lines. If two cars are separated by 22 inches, there would be no room for you. There should be no difference if one more inch is added. You remain unwelcome in that space.
In other words, that line represents the end of my space, not yours. If a driver lowers his head for a moment and you come into that space, you offer yourself up for sacrifice very quickly. And no matter how much you dissemble on the topic of legality and fun, it remains the ultimate in selfish behavior. That is why you "get heat from people." You are behaving selfishly. You are choosing to value your "rights" and enjoyment above the rights of others to have a cushion of space around their vehicle. And no matter how hard they try to separate themselves from others with a boundary of safety, you come riding in, in all your glory.
I'll leave this discussion now. There's no sense in beating a dead horse. But let me say this first. I'm now almost 40 years old, and I have kids, and one of those slow, ponderous vehicles. I value life greatly, and I've held my share of accident victims, both living and dead, so I know and recognize the importance of repercussions and human naivete. But I have to tell you, if you come riding into my space, and you or your girlfriend are hurt in an accident, the temptation to drive off laughing might be more than I can bear. And lest you forget, accidents, by definition, are unplanned events. So go ahead and keep on doing what you do. As you say, it's your right. It's just a shame that others might follow your example.
You could simply choose to act safely, you know? For yourself, and others as well. You don't actually lose anything at all by doing so.
type40 pilot
Hello there Pilot,
"At 46, I would think that you've realized that there is no such thing as a higher standard for safety. I do not value all of those lives any differently than one life. I do not give a twit about agencies or lawsuits. I only care that no single individual is harmed. Let alone, multiples. Tell me, how would you feel if your girlfriend died during one of your maneuvers? Oh never mind, by the time it's happened, it will be too late to sit and debate the merits of safe behavior."
I appreciate your appeal to emotion and I think your intent is mostly good, despite some displaced concern or an inflated sense of danger when it comes to lane-sharing. I can't help but think that your perception of lane-sharing is colored by your potential inexperience with this practice. True?
"If you choose to call motorcycling a sport"
It's a sport, and many other things. Not a unilateral decision. ;)
", then draw that parallel one inch further and compare it to every other sport . . . where the activity is confined to an area separated from the public."
Motorcycling is unusual in that it's both confined in a certain context (racing) and yet it's also done in public...much like cycling, bicycling, rollerblading, surfing, etc.
" I assure you that 99.9% of those driving around you are not committed to any "sport" at the time."
Let's not assume that I mean to be 'sporting' amongst drivers at all times. This would be a caricature of the argument. I ride in traffic differently than I do when I am isolated in canyons.
" And on a related topic, it may well be true that before building a road, the designer is left with a choice between "safe and fun" and "safe and not fun." No one would fault them with choosing the more interesting option. But that is completely irrelevant."
Now that you've lost that point, I suppose you'd like to think it's irrelevant. You did argue earlier that roads are simply to get from one place to another, and hopefully that's a fair paraphrasing. Obviously, this is not the case.
"We are discussing BEHAVIOR on the road."
I am happy to discuss behavior, but you were talking about the PURPOSE of a road, and even pointing out the meaning of road lines. I simply corrected you in saying that roads are not SOLELY utilitarian, but also fun. Safety is important and a guiding parameter, obviously. Freeway curves are built to old standards where stuff wouldn't go flying off of rear shelves at 80 mph. There are many other factors too, of course.
"You are deflecting when you say that the roads and laws allow you to act unsafely."
Strawman. I never said that. I also don't grant that my behavior is unsafe. That's the actual point in contention, so you can't just assume what you haven't proved but for your perception. The reason I use the legal trump card is because if it's legal/permissible, then your concern about 'safety' is probably not as grounded in objective fact as you'd like to think. Since you're probably quite new to lane-sharing (and perhaps a total greenhorn with it), your perceptions are doubtlessly skewed here, as are most people watching videos of scary camera angles. Remember, things look different in-person. You as a pilot should know that.
"I am merely stating that you should choose not to. The signs say that you can enter turns at a high rate of speed during a rain shower. Prudence would dictate otherwise."
Agreed, but the sign isn't there as a presumption of safe speed FOR RAIN. ;) It's there (assuming basic speed law or advisory) as a presumption of 'safe' speed for IDEAL conditions. Rain obvious mitigates what is 'safe'. If the surface street limit is 45 and there's massive hail and fog, then 45 would be too fast for conditions.
"The only strawman fallacy being advanced here is your own."
No, you specifically made a strawman in attempting to portray my riding as if I split because it's cool, or you made an association the reader might link to me. I am being specific.
" I actually never said that you lane-split to look cool. I only offered one example of why a young person might attempt to do so. I have no idea why you, personally, would choose to do so. I can only say that I lose all respect for those who do."
Ok, so that's a non-sequitur. I don't do things to look 'cool'. I'm an independent thinker. Although, my space suit is in-part for 'cool' but also because it's novel, protection, reflection for night-riding, visibility, different, the first of its kind in the motovlogging world, fun, etc.
"Ultimately, I am back to my original point. You want to lead this discussion back to how you are legally allowed to do it. "
And you want to dismiss this point. ;) Remember, on-balance, what I am doing is LEGAL/permissible. Granted, a cop may still decide that my splitting is unsafe, but this is due to speed or failure to control vehicle. Obviously, I have recorded that I was fully in-control of my vehicle. I win from both a legal and post-hoc (didn't crash or hurt anyone) standpoint.
"You want to pull the conversation back to the pros of lane-splitting . . . you have fun . . . you feel protected from rear-ending . . . etc., etc., etc. ad infinitum. "
These are real arguments. When you fail to lane-share (because 49 states disallow this practice), you're factually more-vulnerable to being rear-ended because of our narrow front/rear profile. Lane-sharing protects you from the most common types of rear-end collisions. This is just true.
"You are missing my argument, yet again. The paint is on the road to delineate the space that is supposed to be available to each individual vehicle. They are protected fore and aft by the proper following distances recommended by each state (3 second rules and so on.) But they are protected on the side by lines. If two cars are separated by 22 inches, there would be no room for you. There should be no difference if one more inch is added. You remain unwelcome in that space."
False. The law is on my side in CA. Lane-sharing (even between cars) is PERMISSIBLE. On factual grounds, I win. There's no arguing this. Your ONLY argument here is a perceptual one about your idea of the relative 'safety' and cost/benefit to lane-sharing. Legally, you have nothing.
"In other words, that line represents the end of my space, not yours."
This is not true. In CA, lane sharing is PERMISSIBLE. I even split lanes around cops, on the freeway. No lights, no audible, amplified warning. I've lane-split BEHIND motors cops (bikes) and they will often pull over to let me through because I can split a little faster. You're simply arguing from ignorance and a little fear here.
" If a driver lowers his head for a moment and you come into that space, you offer yourself up for sacrifice very quickly. "
Yes, one must be vigilant as a rider, especially when splitting. But, 'IF' statements apply to all vehicles, all the time. Drivers are predictable because human psychology is pretty well-understood. Most people won't just veer into you unless they're feeling homicidal or are distracted or old or impaired in some way. This is generally visible well before I am near a motorist.
"And no matter how much you dissemble on the topic of legality and fun, it remains the ultimate in selfish behavior."
Value-judgment. You can say it's selfish all you want. I think it's selfish to browbeat someone for what is a permissible and reasonable behavior. You could even say it's selfish to have kids, or not have kids, or ride a motorcycle (pollution, noise, deaths, risk, etc.). There's no end to what you can call 'selfish' but which is actually reasonable behavior. I think smokers are selfish to smoke in public (around non-smokers), but smoking is legal. But, there are much better arguments to support the 'selfish' accusation here.
"That is why you "get heat from people." You are behaving selfishly."
A few, and usually because of ignorance and lack of experience about lane-sharing. You clearly aren't an experienced lane-splitter, a fact that is predictable through your arguments.
"You are choosing to value your "rights" and enjoyment above the rights of others to have a cushion of space around their vehicle."
If I am paying attention with great focus, there's no such trouble and no 'reaction' is needed from the driver. In fact, most drivers move over to let the bike through. It's part of our culture.
And remember, IT'S LEGAL. Even cops will 'invade' these spaces on much bigger bikes.
" And no matter how hard they try to separate themselves from others with a boundary of safety, you come riding in, in all your glory."
Value-judgment. I come riding through, splitting reasonably and permissibly. No incidents to-date.
"I'll leave this discussion now. There's no sense in beating a dead horse. But let me say this first. I'm now almost 40 years old, and I have kids, and one of those slow, ponderous vehicles. I value life greatly, and I've held my share of accident victims, both living and dead, so I know and recognize the importance of repercussions and human naivete. But I have to tell you, if you come riding into my space, and you or your girlfriend are hurt in an accident, the temptation to drive off laughing might be more than I can bear."
So you laugh at the demise of others, and yet you're concern-trolling me because you fear for someone's life? Don't you think that's a little inconsistent?
"And lest you forget, accidents, by definition, are unplanned events."
Agreed. Better stop flying and riding motorcycles. Don't do anything risky. Don't have kids. They might end up as serial killers or ungrateful bastards. I mean, life comes with risk. It's all about risk/reward, right?
"So go ahead and keep on doing what you do. As you say, it's your right. It's just a shame that others might follow your example."
Well it's legal, and it's a great benefit. But, even if lane-sharing were illegal, people still find ways to die on bikes. Or, sometimes they just get unlucky and are killed by a drunk driver when safely-ensconced in their ponderous minivans.
"You could simply choose to act safely, you know? For yourself, and others as well. You don't actually lose anything at all by doing so."
But I am being safe, within reason and within the confines of the law. If you expect me to stop lane-sharing, well you're not gonna win that one. I've grown up with it. If it's scary to you, I suggest you come to CA and rent a motorcycle and try it some time. It's not as bad as you think, and CA drivers are used to it. I drive too, and when motorcyclists come whizzing past me I am happy to let them do it. It's part of our culture and won't likely go away anytime soon.
I wonder if the CanAm is heavy enough to trip a stoplight on a sensor pad if no cars are at the stop line?
Dry weight on the RS-S is 798 lb., so yeah I am sure it does well on the sensors.
Hello, tell please on what spyder you went and what year of release? On what spyder buttons below a wheel went to for example "P"?
ATV Vladivostok It's in the video! It was a 2014 RS-S (I think it was a 2014).
I really want a two wheel bike, but I'm scared of having it slide out from under me due to rocks or loose gravel. You mentioned something about a rock when you were going down hill that could have caused you problems on your normal bike. What exactly did you mean by that? Thanks!
@longlivethe80s: Anytime you hit a rock on a normal 2-wheeled bike, it can cause problems...more so if you're leaned-over. It can disrupt your traction for a minute and be a little scary...or it can cause a crash. With three wheels you have more inherent stability, but with a 3-track vehicle you're pretty much gonna hit everything. With cars (2 tracks), you can straddle stuff. With a single track vehicle (motorcycle) you can avoid stuff...but with 3 tracks (the Can Am) you can't easily do either unless you have enough visual warning and room.
weird going back to having to clutch and brake with your hands aint it... I still don't really use my hand break that much.
Yeah it really was weird!
Im on my first street bike street bike, So I really should take that safety class now, because I honestly only use that front brake to hang my helmet while I take a quick break.
9:11 121,000 + to date; you weren't kidding.
+stereopolice Wow. been a while since I've seen that. Nice!
Oh ok but I think you don't I'm planning to ride a bike but I wanted to be safe so I'm thinking to get one of this
+Rowrow Jordan It does help in some very specific ways, but you're still open and vulnerable, though probably less likely to fall in a turn or gravel. You're also more visible to other motorists.
Nice video mate
Thanks Mr G!
Of course you would get a white one lol. You, I like it when they say "check yes" or "sign here". I, like you, prefer to read first! Ride safe bro.
For sure. Spacep0d white! Always gotta read first. Thanks for watching.
its like a 3 wheeled go-cart or something. just sort of odd but i suppose it has its place for some riders
Yeah for sure. Not for me but I can see why some would like it. I did enjoy it, but I would rather rent one than own one.
Awesome review. So I am assuming it feels like a car when turning?
Yeah. Not fun when turning. My body didn't know what to do but centrifugal force wants to spit me away from the controls and off the seat. No good way to brace yourself.
***** this thing does lean my friend , had not ridden it yet , never will but i saw a guy leaning it into corners at crazy speeds
I'll have to see how some fast riders do it on the Can-Am. ;)
Oh i might have been wrong , sorry haha
theres no reason to hate on these its completely un desereved.. hell these guys have a bettter argument for why we ride our 2 wheel bikes and have to balance them at stop lights and what not. these are awesome, to each there own, and haters can fucking drive into the back of a tree mulcher
I don't hate anyone for riding one of these. It was fun, but for the cost and such, I prefer two wheels.
***** oh i know not you just a lot of riders look down on guys that ride these.
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Yeah, I can see a lot of reasons why people would like them. I am all for more choices. Lots of trikes out there now beyond the CanAm, and more coming (such as the Persu).
I want a Ryker
You can take those spyders into a corner just as fast as a motorcycle. You have to learn to lean opposite the force and get your butt off the seat. There are courses designed to teach you how to properly ride a spyder and/or trike. Washington State and some others require an endorsement to legally operate a trike/spyder. In the course they teach you techniques for sliding these things in hairpin turns. Best thing to overcome the force is to get off the seat. It's work, but that's what makes it fun. I enjoy the can-am as much as my Ninja 300 motorcycle, but for different reasons. Twisties are just as exciting... just takes time to get used to the different ways to approach them. You're right... for those can't ride a motorcycle or choose not to, the spyder is a great choice.
Interesting! It's hard to believe they can be just as fast as a bike in a corner, but I will take your word for it. Are you pretty quick on the Ninja 300? I guess it depends on the rider of the 2-wheeler. I am wondering which is faster given the best bike and Can-Am riders. I know there's way more grip with the CanAm, but physics seems to work against it when cornering. Either way, it'd be interesting to see a skilled rider on one.
I should say I can take the corners as fast if not faster on the spyder, but it probably would depend on the rider. I would say I'm pretty good on my Ninja... definitely not an expert though. I went riding with a friend who has an ST-S spyder and I was riding my NInja. I had a hard time keeping up in the curves. The spyder was definitely hard getting used to and actually taking your butt off the seat and really hovering over the inside of a corner was difficult, but now it seems like a natural movement. I would never give up two-wheels, but three is great for long touring. I have a trip planned for two weeks to go through Yellowstone and the Tetons and the spyder will be perfect.
I loved your video btw. Excellent work!
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Thanks Ike!
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You're not in SoCal by chance are you?
starting for the 2017 model year BRP stopped making the spyder rs and spyder st models BRP only make the spyder F 3 and spyder models
I'm looking into getting a motorcycle, and I've been thinking about a Spyder, i'm not against riding on two wheels, this thing just looks interesting. Do you think the Spyder would be a good fit for someone like me?
also just for reference i'm 18 years old, 6"6 260 lbs, and some bikes feel a bit like a toy to me (Sports in particular)
WinterBreeze Well it's hard to say. It's a matter of preference. Until you know how to ride two wheels, you really can't compare that to the Spyder. I prefer two-wheels...freedom, lane-splitting (CA), faster, leaning, etc. Corning on two-wheels feels better than a car or the Spyder. Also, the Spyder comes at a cost-premium, so that's something to consider as well.
***** pretty soon i'll be going on a ton of test rides, and see what all i like and dislike about them over a CBR600.
But whatever i choose will be 4season ridding, i will not be using a car anymore.
Get a bike.
Great review, but no sir, I don't think I like the spider. Just seems too offbeat for me. Seems like you almost have to muscle the bars to turn it, and the turning radius seems fairly atrocious. I mean, I know you were just learning to ride it there, but it seems like you really had to concentrate and baby that thing in order to ride it.
Thanks much. I prefer two-wheels as well. The trike setup like this just doesn't lend itself to turning with handlebars and without support. A trike I do like is the Carver One (now the Pursu) which leans.
Where that's at
But nice video man very interesting
Thanks!
Nice signature hhhh
Haha thanks. I