I honestly don’t know why we’re not talking about anima and animus…when…we always are? Like we’ll talk about character personality tropes but then I’m thinking “This is Carl Jung”. We are discussing the topic with different words, but its all Archetypes and shadows and anima/animus. My assumption is that most people just don’t even know
I do think many people who are trying to analyze texts or media do end up talking about archetypes. This one in particular, however, is less popular to talk about (for obvious reasons). However, I think it's great to recognize how and why we talk about texts the way we do. This way, we are able to communicate our ideas or the things we are perceiving in a text more clearly. :)
I finally got around to watching this, Given that i cant know "the usual size" of the anima, i can only guess that mine is bigger than average, And also that i fluctuate often between Integrated and Displaced anima, though i have never experienced the repression of it. So that was informative, even though i knew about it, it was a good refresher, thank you chieko once again
Regarding emotions, smart people are able to control their emotions better, and if you have brothers as a women, you tend to be resilient to the realities of life. Most female friends I had which had brothers tended to be a lot more logical while the rest were very emotional and would try to seek emotional confirmation from other female. I am reminded of them saying "I'm right to feel this, right? Like ... I am not crazy, right? They did hurt me, right?" And apparently telling them the truth was not the correct answer. They will insult you, ignore you, try to ruin your reputation.
@@TheNigel01 Hundred and ten percent agree! I have 6 brothers, so I definitely feel that I'm more resilient and feel more confident about guys. Females who don't grow up with brothers tend to treat men like some unknown kind of beast. Haha. Same for guys who don't have proactive sisters (or no sisters). They then treat women like weird people, when we are all very human with our personal foibles. :) And it is true that women seek confirmation a lot and if you disagree... well... >.>; I am currently not part of a beta reader community, but you do bring up a great point. Perhaps I should set up a way for people to reach out to me for some encouragement or some sort of service. I'll think about it! Thanks for the suggestion. Until then, I may set up some kind of discord or email so that you can reach out to me there.
I was unfamiliar with Jung as a whole until years ago with a few of Jordan Peterson's lectures, but even then it was more like listening to someone put to words thoughts and observations I have had of people in general as well as portrayals in various media such as books, games, and visual media. It baffles me and fills me with sorrow that so much of our discourse seeks to obfuscate, warp, or shy away from what seems to be well thought out truths or wisdoms. For quite some time I have thought about reading his works, but this has cemented my resolve. Thank you for presenting this. Now, as ever, it is so important to have people present these topics well. By presenting from a literary lens, perhaps this will clarify or inspire ideas in a writer to produce something far better than what may have come from a more "societally ubiquitous, mainstream, or accepted" view of such tropes. Edit: I should have said this as well, but congratulations on 500! Edit edit: I suppose I should not have paused at 38:11 and instead listened to the entire close before commenting. Apologies. I had never heard of Anima or Animus in this context before. Not that I can think of or that comes to mind at least. As with my first sentence, the explanation simply sounds like someone putting words to what I had already come to conceptualize about people. As for media, however, I suppose I have not had time to meditate on what characters would seem to me to fit into a trope of tackling their Anima or Animus. I might see this now that I have a better understanding thanks to this video!
Indeed, yes! It does give food for thought! I will definitely be doing some analysis applying this paradigm to specific characters. It really is everywhere! I am currently taking notes on Man and His Symbols, which I have found to be extremely enlightening, but I've heard there are other really great books written by him. He's a bit difficult to read though, sometimes which slows me down quite a bit... But! So. Fascinating! Edit: I am also familiar with Dr. Peterson and his lectures. His stuff reminded me that Jung oughtn't be put in the bin. I had gotten into Jung earlier, and hearing from Peterson encouraged me to keep forging ahead. He looked at it from a more psychological/sociological/philosophical/mythological stance, so there is enough overlap, I think, for literary analysts. I hope to one day buy his book "Maps of Meaning".
(Sorry if I'm just being dense (I'm having a bit of trouble fully concentrating right now)) but what does "displace" mean as oppose to "repress"? Ah. I looked it up, and it sounds like it's when it's overpowering the person. I think I remember in this video something about "giving in to" it. It's even mentioned at the start of that section, and repeated a short while later, and add "totally feeding into this". (So maybe it's just me missing the obvious.) I'm still curious how these (both repression, and being subsumed by) this plays out as far as causation. I know with extremely constrictive gender roles (external social pressures) it's easy for men to fall into the repression side, so I suppose that would be an easy one, but I would guess there would be more than one or even two possible causes. This WAS just a brief introduction to the concept, though an almost 40 minute video seems long for that. (I guess that really depends. I think I wasn't paying enough attention to the later commentary. Sorry if this was just a long example of what I stated at the start of not fully paying attention.)
Hey! It's no biggie! Jung is SO complicated just trying to explain basics can be rather difficult. You are in fact understanding more than you think. :) During my research, I discovered that many people talk about the relation to the anima or animus in various ways. Probably because so much of this is not academically treated as much as it should be, so a lot of laymen and quasi-spiritualists etc. end up trying to make up their own forays into his work. This results in a bit of a complication or confusing framework presented to any research. On my slide, I believe I used the word "displaced" to relate to animus or anima that is overblown (possession by the anima/animus). However, another way to imagine is that you are either in one of 3 states: integrated (health-oriented), neutral (middle neutral state), or displaced (stress-breakdown-oriented). We can imagine that the idea of a "displaced" animus/anima is simply when there is a general imbalance in the psyche. After that, I would break the "displaced" option down further into two types of displacement--repression and possession. Repression is the hiding of the inner animus/anima, and possession is the enlargement of the animus/anima. Why does this happen? Constrictive gender roles from society could cause it. Also, trauma or childhood upbringing. As noted briefly, the relationship (or non-relationship) with the opposing parent can also define certain things about the self. If you have certain types of moms, for example, boys can end up with very terrible notions about what a woman is and repress certain things about himself. However, while some folks online and Jung and his students talked about how a boy might relate to his mother or girl to her father, I also think parents in general impact everyone. For example, a girl born with a specific psychological toolbox might look at her emotionally incontinent mother and feel repudiation against her femininity. This could cause her to be possessed by her animus. Another example is trauma. Let's say something bad happens to you as a kid. You can then react in a way that makes you feel stronger, which may mean feeding into or repressing your anima/animus. Once again, looking at causation on a personal or societal level is more of a sociologist's or psychologist's purview. I can only make these guesses. However, in literature we can see how humans explore what may cause it and how it may be resolved, which is also fascinating. Edit: long-term or chronic stress can also trigger the anima/animus
@@chiekokurokumo "Repress" vs "possess" looks nice. (although "being possessed" is a bit more clear.) Causes sound complicated; An entire rabbit hole of sociology to dive down (and procrastinate actually writing); Pit-falls of stereotypes and subverting/stretching/playing with them.
I honestly don’t know why we’re not talking about anima and animus…when…we always are? Like we’ll talk about character personality tropes but then I’m thinking “This is Carl Jung”. We are discussing the topic with different words, but its all Archetypes and shadows and anima/animus. My assumption is that most people just don’t even know
I do think many people who are trying to analyze texts or media do end up talking about archetypes. This one in particular, however, is less popular to talk about (for obvious reasons). However, I think it's great to recognize how and why we talk about texts the way we do. This way, we are able to communicate our ideas or the things we are perceiving in a text more clearly. :)
Tip top content, thank you very much.
Thank you!
I finally got around to watching this,
Given that i cant know "the usual size" of the anima, i can only guess that mine is bigger than average,
And also that i fluctuate often between Integrated and Displaced anima, though i have never experienced the repression of it.
So that was informative, even though i knew about it, it was a good refresher, thank you chieko once again
This is a very informative video. Thank you, Chieko. You placed ideas into a scheme that I could understand.
Regarding emotions, smart people are able to control their emotions better, and if you have brothers as a women, you tend to be resilient to the realities of life. Most female friends I had which had brothers tended to be a lot more logical while the rest were very emotional and would try to seek emotional confirmation from other female.
I am reminded of them saying "I'm right to feel this, right? Like ... I am not crazy, right? They did hurt me, right?" And apparently telling them the truth was not the correct answer. They will insult you, ignore you, try to ruin your reputation.
Also, do you do Beta reading? And if yes, then what site, platform, community are you part of?
@@TheNigel01 Hundred and ten percent agree! I have 6 brothers, so I definitely feel that I'm more resilient and feel more confident about guys. Females who don't grow up with brothers tend to treat men like some unknown kind of beast. Haha. Same for guys who don't have proactive sisters (or no sisters). They then treat women like weird people, when we are all very human with our personal foibles. :) And it is true that women seek confirmation a lot and if you disagree... well... >.>;
I am currently not part of a beta reader community, but you do bring up a great point. Perhaps I should set up a way for people to reach out to me for some encouragement or some sort of service. I'll think about it! Thanks for the suggestion. Until then, I may set up some kind of discord or email so that you can reach out to me there.
I was unfamiliar with Jung as a whole until years ago with a few of Jordan Peterson's lectures, but even then it was more like listening to someone put to words thoughts and observations I have had of people in general as well as portrayals in various media such as books, games, and visual media. It baffles me and fills me with sorrow that so much of our discourse seeks to obfuscate, warp, or shy away from what seems to be well thought out truths or wisdoms. For quite some time I have thought about reading his works, but this has cemented my resolve. Thank you for presenting this. Now, as ever, it is so important to have people present these topics well. By presenting from a literary lens, perhaps this will clarify or inspire ideas in a writer to produce something far better than what may have come from a more "societally ubiquitous, mainstream, or accepted" view of such tropes.
Edit: I should have said this as well, but congratulations on 500!
Edit edit: I suppose I should not have paused at 38:11 and instead listened to the entire close before commenting. Apologies. I had never heard of Anima or Animus in this context before. Not that I can think of or that comes to mind at least. As with my first sentence, the explanation simply sounds like someone putting words to what I had already come to conceptualize about people. As for media, however, I suppose I have not had time to meditate on what characters would seem to me to fit into a trope of tackling their Anima or Animus. I might see this now that I have a better understanding thanks to this video!
Indeed, yes! It does give food for thought! I will definitely be doing some analysis applying this paradigm to specific characters. It really is everywhere! I am currently taking notes on Man and His Symbols, which I have found to be extremely enlightening, but I've heard there are other really great books written by him. He's a bit difficult to read though, sometimes which slows me down quite a bit... But! So. Fascinating!
Edit: I am also familiar with Dr. Peterson and his lectures. His stuff reminded me that Jung oughtn't be put in the bin. I had gotten into Jung earlier, and hearing from Peterson encouraged me to keep forging ahead. He looked at it from a more psychological/sociological/philosophical/mythological stance, so there is enough overlap, I think, for literary analysts. I hope to one day buy his book "Maps of Meaning".
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(Sorry if I'm just being dense (I'm having a bit of trouble fully concentrating right now))
but what does "displace" mean as oppose to "repress"?
Ah. I looked it up, and it sounds like it's when it's overpowering the person.
I think I remember in this video something about "giving in to" it. It's even mentioned at the start of that section, and repeated a short while later, and add "totally feeding into this". (So maybe it's just me missing the obvious.)
I'm still curious how these (both repression, and being subsumed by) this plays out as far as causation. I know with extremely constrictive gender roles (external social pressures) it's easy for men to fall into the repression side, so I suppose that would be an easy one, but I would guess there would be more than one or even two possible causes.
This WAS just a brief introduction to the concept, though an almost 40 minute video seems long for that. (I guess that really depends. I think I wasn't paying enough attention to the later commentary. Sorry if this was just a long example of what I stated at the start of not fully paying attention.)
Hey! It's no biggie! Jung is SO complicated just trying to explain basics can be rather difficult. You are in fact understanding more than you think. :) During my research, I discovered that many people talk about the relation to the anima or animus in various ways. Probably because so much of this is not academically treated as much as it should be, so a lot of laymen and quasi-spiritualists etc. end up trying to make up their own forays into his work. This results in a bit of a complication or confusing framework presented to any research.
On my slide, I believe I used the word "displaced" to relate to animus or anima that is overblown (possession by the anima/animus). However, another way to imagine is that you are either in one of 3 states: integrated (health-oriented), neutral (middle neutral state), or displaced (stress-breakdown-oriented). We can imagine that the idea of a "displaced" animus/anima is simply when there is a general imbalance in the psyche. After that, I would break the "displaced" option down further into two types of displacement--repression and possession. Repression is the hiding of the inner animus/anima, and possession is the enlargement of the animus/anima.
Why does this happen? Constrictive gender roles from society could cause it. Also, trauma or childhood upbringing. As noted briefly, the relationship (or non-relationship) with the opposing parent can also define certain things about the self. If you have certain types of moms, for example, boys can end up with very terrible notions about what a woman is and repress certain things about himself. However, while some folks online and Jung and his students talked about how a boy might relate to his mother or girl to her father, I also think parents in general impact everyone. For example, a girl born with a specific psychological toolbox might look at her emotionally incontinent mother and feel repudiation against her femininity. This could cause her to be possessed by her animus. Another example is trauma. Let's say something bad happens to you as a kid. You can then react in a way that makes you feel stronger, which may mean feeding into or repressing your anima/animus.
Once again, looking at causation on a personal or societal level is more of a sociologist's or psychologist's purview. I can only make these guesses. However, in literature we can see how humans explore what may cause it and how it may be resolved, which is also fascinating.
Edit: long-term or chronic stress can also trigger the anima/animus
@@chiekokurokumo "Repress" vs "possess" looks nice. (although "being possessed" is a bit more clear.)
Causes sound complicated; An entire rabbit hole of sociology to dive down (and procrastinate actually writing); Pit-falls of stereotypes and subverting/stretching/playing with them.