The Turkish oud you chose is very close to an Arabic sound. Could it be a Sultan Instrument or a Sala Muzik make? The pegs are also non-standard, and so is the fretboard(kafes/cage). Therefore, I don't think it's a fully accurate comparison. It would be more appropriate to compare it with an oud by a luthier like İsmail Hakkı Fencioğlu, Ramazan Calay, or Mustafa Copcuoğlu. Also, the piece you chose is from Arabic culture, so it hasn’t highlighted the differences clearly. As someone commented, the Turkish oud sounds more Arabic :) Nevertheless, I appreciate your effort and the information you've shared.
Thanks for the video! I got a Turkish oud some weeks ago and I love the sound. But I always was wondering, if an Arabic one could be better. But now I know, the Turkish oud is my favorite ❤
There’s a plethora of sounds and constructions with ouds. Even within the Arabic range, there’s the Syrian, the Maghrebi, the Iraqi, the particular bashiri, etc. In the end what makes an oud sound different is what’s being played on it and how. Here it’s the same Arabic tune in a Levantine style. So it’s just a matter of a different timbre between the two Ouds, depending on the woods used, the manufacturing and other factors.
Thank you for sharing, I prefer the Asian Luth as it is richer and since it is the original instrument, I have played a few Luth/Oud and my favorite is the Asian or the original Luth/Oud. Thanks, cheers
In all my years I have never heard of something called Asian Luth. That sounds like a generic name someone writing for wikipedia came up with. Is there another name in the language of origin? Very interested in seeing one of these Asian luths. Are you just trying to distinguish between European lutes and ouds?
@@OudforGuitarists The Asian Luth aka Chinese Luth (Pipa ) is the oldest version of modern luth, some say it's originated in Asia and developed in Mesopotamia and Europe, and some say it's originated in North Africa (Kemet), I did not read that in Wikipedia this is an information that traveled from the the indigenous people of North Africa!
@@snitra. Thanks, I understand Pipa. That's interesting because the Chinese sources themselves, even Pipa players I've heard speak about their Pipa say that the Pipa did not originate in China, but we're introduced to it by a non-chinese central Asian nomadic people they called the Hu.
@@OudforGuitarists even i was cofused at the asian luth. Pipa I know I've seen videos of it. Though my favourite Chinese instrument would be the erhu there's something magical about it. I don't know if id compare it to the kemence I mean they're kinda played in the same holding position I guess
I have both and id sum it up like this-- Turkish ouds are tuned a step higher and have fantastically sweet treble and response, and super low action. Move your finger a half millimeter and you hear a sweet glissando. But, the lower notes are kinda tinny and shallow. Arabic ouds have a wonderful, bassy, deep melancholy. Each note packs more of an emotional punch. But they don't have the energetic bright highs, and you can't go quite as crazy with ornamentation
I used to play a Persian barbat for years but I could never achieve the sound I heard in Arabic oud recordings... So I changed to Arabic oud. The high notes on arabic ouds are very clear and cut through. The high notes on the Barbat I played and heard in recordings were rather flat.
It is an oud option. Barbat and oud are synonyms to me. But the current Barbat designs are not satisfactory to me as a recreation of the ancient Persian barbat as they were meant to be. It is likely that the ancient Barbat had frets, and a skin face and was more narrow like Yemeni qambus and afghan robab. I believe a skin face, and frets are more appropriate for the state of Persian music today. A barbat design that incorporates these two features in addition to the features we find in Arabic oud would be of great interest to me.
Hey Navid! What do you think of Zeryab Ouds? They look and sound decent to me and at least some of them have rods in the neck. That must help with longevity of the instrument. I'm only a beginner, that's why I'm interested in your opinion :)
My Turkish Oud was around 400 dollars (346 uk pounds) I’ve been playing around with it even though headstock is broken 😅. I’ve also encountered issues with the strings they buzz a lot and I’ve accidentally fixed it only to hear buzzing again. Might need to get strings replaced. I’ve also noticed the string bridge of the Oud one side hasn’t been glued down yet and another issue is there seems to be a minor dent on the back of the Oud. The dent you can’t really feel it cause of the smooth finish covering it. I suppose the luthier I’m in contact with could fix this. Also I’ve got a question(for everyone here maybe Navid too) dots or tapes on the Oud fretboard which one is easier to deal with
Buzzing is a difficult thing to assess. Ask a luthier for sure. The dent is likely not worth worrying about, it sounds like a cosmetic issue? I've only used small circle stickers, never tried tape. You can buy special tape for violin learning. This is probably best because it's low tack and won't leave much residue.
how about a greek oud ? in which category would that fall sound wise ? im there rightnow and wonder if i should rather get a Turkish one, or are they fairly similar ? salaam
Greek ouds are more synonymous with Turkish style oud sounds. but Greek builders do seem to have their own sound. Dimitris rapakousious makes arabic ouds that sound arabic and his Turkish ouds sound Turkish but they also have their own uniqueness.
Best Oud money can buy for begginer but can also last to the professional period is Ibrahim Sukar oud. The dude is a legend. His ouds are extraordinary. They are both cheap (500 avrage) but very tood start and you wont get tired from it.
@@OudforGuitarists I placed an order with Ibrahim Sukar directly last month. He ships them anywhere in the world. sent it to me all the way to Canada. What an instrument! I was truly surprised by the build quality and sound. Its the perfect Oud in terms of value for money.
The Turkish oud you chose is very close to an Arabic sound. Could it be a Sultan Instrument or a Sala Muzik make? The pegs are also non-standard, and so is the fretboard(kafes/cage). Therefore, I don't think it's a fully accurate comparison. It would be more appropriate to compare it with an oud by a luthier like İsmail Hakkı Fencioğlu, Ramazan Calay, or Mustafa Copcuoğlu. Also, the piece you chose is from Arabic culture, so it hasn’t highlighted the differences clearly. As someone commented, the Turkish oud sounds more Arabic :) Nevertheless, I appreciate your effort and the information you've shared.
Thanks for the video! I got a Turkish oud some weeks ago and I love the sound. But I always was wondering, if an Arabic one could be better. But now I know, the Turkish oud is my favorite ❤
The Arabic sounds more "jangly," less smooth. Whereas the Turkish sounds deeper, more resonant and with rounder tones. Thanks for the demo.
@@MessyTimes yes, I use the word rustic to describe arabic ouds in a very general way, even though there are exceptions.
There’s a plethora of sounds and constructions with ouds. Even within the Arabic range, there’s the Syrian, the Maghrebi, the Iraqi, the particular bashiri, etc.
In the end what makes an oud sound different is what’s being played on it and how. Here it’s the same Arabic tune in a Levantine style. So it’s just a matter of a different timbre between the two
Ouds, depending on the woods used, the manufacturing and other factors.
Thank you for sharing, I prefer the Asian Luth as it is richer and since it is the original instrument, I have played a few Luth/Oud and my favorite is the Asian or the original Luth/Oud. Thanks, cheers
In all my years I have never heard of something called Asian Luth. That sounds like a generic name someone writing for wikipedia came up with. Is there another name in the language of origin? Very interested in seeing one of these Asian luths. Are you just trying to distinguish between European lutes and ouds?
@@OudforGuitarists The Asian Luth aka Chinese Luth (Pipa ) is the oldest version of modern luth, some say it's originated in Asia and developed in Mesopotamia and Europe, and some say it's originated in North Africa (Kemet), I did not read that in Wikipedia this is an information that traveled from the the indigenous people of North Africa!
@@snitra. Thanks, I understand Pipa. That's interesting because the Chinese sources themselves, even Pipa players I've heard speak about their Pipa say that the Pipa did not originate in China, but we're introduced to it by a non-chinese central Asian nomadic people they called the Hu.
@@OudforGuitarists even i was cofused at the asian luth. Pipa I know I've seen videos of it. Though my favourite Chinese instrument would be the erhu there's something magical about it. I don't know if id compare it to the kemence I mean they're kinda played in the same holding position I guess
Arabic seems more warm and Turkish as you said more bright but also slightly fuzzy and the notes are less pronounced.
I always think about it like Turkish ouds have a slightly wet sound while Arabic ouds have a more dry sound.
I have both and id sum it up like this--
Turkish ouds are tuned a step higher and have fantastically sweet treble and response, and super low action. Move your finger a half millimeter and you hear a sweet glissando. But, the lower notes are kinda tinny and shallow.
Arabic ouds have a wonderful, bassy, deep melancholy. Each note packs more of an emotional punch. But they don't have the energetic bright highs, and you can't go quite as crazy with ornamentation
Merci !
What is the reason for the different sound?
Does it go for all Arabic oud
It is the structure of the soundboard and to some degree the wood used.
If i dont have a tutor available, how can i tune an oud as a beginner? Guitars have these apps that can do it, but how can i do it for an oud?
There is an application called "Pano Tuner" which is available on Play Store and I personally use to tune my oud.
I've discussed this a few times in some of my live videos but never done a stand alone video. I'll make a video for that.
Do you ever play the Persian barbat or consider it as an oud option or do you consider it a different instrument altogether?
I used to play a Persian barbat for years but I could never achieve the sound I heard in Arabic oud recordings... So I changed to Arabic oud.
The high notes on arabic ouds are very clear and cut through. The high notes on the Barbat I played and heard in recordings were rather flat.
It is an oud option. Barbat and oud are synonyms to me. But the current Barbat designs are not satisfactory to me as a recreation of the ancient Persian barbat as they were meant to be.
It is likely that the ancient Barbat had frets, and a skin face and was more narrow like Yemeni qambus and afghan robab. I believe a skin face, and frets are more appropriate for the state of Persian music today. A barbat design that incorporates these two features in addition to the features we find in Arabic oud would be of great interest to me.
Hey Navid! What do you think of Zeryab Ouds? They look and sound decent to me and at least some of them have rods in the neck. That must help with longevity of the instrument. I'm only a beginner, that's why I'm interested in your opinion :)
I really like them. Even the least expensive ones.
What song is this? Really beautiful!
The intro to Alf Leila wa Leila by Baligh Hamdi
My Turkish Oud was around 400 dollars (346 uk pounds) I’ve been playing around with it even though headstock is broken 😅. I’ve also encountered issues with the strings they buzz a lot and I’ve accidentally fixed it only to hear buzzing again. Might need to get strings replaced. I’ve also noticed the string bridge of the Oud one side hasn’t been glued down yet and another issue is there seems to be a minor dent on the back of the Oud. The dent you can’t really feel it cause of the smooth finish covering it. I suppose the luthier I’m in contact with could fix this. Also I’ve got a question(for everyone here maybe Navid too) dots or tapes on the Oud fretboard which one is easier to deal with
Buzzing is a difficult thing to assess. Ask a luthier for sure. The dent is likely not worth worrying about, it sounds like a cosmetic issue? I've only used small circle stickers, never tried tape. You can buy special tape for violin learning. This is probably best because it's low tack and won't leave much residue.
@@OudforGuitarists thanks
how about a greek oud ? in which category would that fall sound wise ? im there rightnow and wonder if i should rather get a Turkish one, or are they fairly similar ? salaam
Greek ouds are more synonymous with Turkish style oud sounds. but Greek builders do seem to have their own sound. Dimitris rapakousious makes arabic ouds that sound arabic and his Turkish ouds sound Turkish but they also have their own uniqueness.
Your Turkish Oud sounds more Arabic To me
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😊@@OudforGuitarists
I'm really glad you think the Turkish oud sounds Arabic. This is really what the goal is with this instrument.
@@OudforGuitarists yes , I thought so 😊
I prefer Arabic
I give up on finding an oud, they are too hard. I want a lute now.
Best Oud money can buy for begginer but can also last to the professional period is Ibrahim Sukar oud. The dude is a legend. His ouds are extraordinary. They are both cheap (500 avrage) but very tood start and you wont get tired from it.
Where's the safest place to buy it though?
@@OudforGuitarists I placed an order with Ibrahim Sukar directly last month. He ships them anywhere in the world. sent it to me all the way to Canada.
What an instrument! I was truly surprised by the build quality and sound. Its the perfect Oud in terms of value for money.
What mic you’re using ?
Shure sm-57
For my voice I'm just using CM25 MkIII microphone that comes with focusrite Scarlett 2i2 pack.
@@OudforGuitarists thanks may be a tutorial on micing oud would be helpful for us.
You can not compare entry level to mid range oud
These are both mid-range, but one of them is an antique and one is new