I think with the "meme rappers" tangent, he's not worried about his own spot. He's mad that they're taking a spot from someone like him. He sees spots filled by clowns and laments the true artists we don't hear from because the lane is so crowded.
Yeah I think Mike might’ve misunderstood there, because this makes total sense in context with the perspective he’s talking from in that part of the conversation.
I remember early 2000s radio. It was a bunch of guys named big something, lil something, something ice, ice something, something dog. There was plenty of copy cat trash back then also.
You're right @33:30 i think Tyler Personally may Indirectly be one of the catalysts of these a lot of these guys he seem to criticize a bit. they have taken some pages of his discography & his odd future cohorts and he doesn't seem to comprehend that.
I do feel like Tyler doesn’t have the vices that most people do. I think his vices or much more positive. Seems like the main things that brings him joy is creating. And then collecting things with the reward he makes makes from his art. It’s a very positive pleasure reward system. I can’t imagine a drug coming close to that feeling for him.
I think he was saying he doesn’t have the kind of vices that would make his mom concerned, or tendencies/pitfalls he’s seen in others that would make himself concerned. Knowing what problems you don’t have is a good thing to be self-aware about
re: communicating an idea of a song without saying it outright. ive always felt that really good interludes can do this well. like de la's interludes always kinda conveyed a vibe of how to interpret their music. I also think the alchemist does this well on the albums he produces.
Part of Tyler’s complaints about new rappers is a factor of being at an age to recognize mistakes young people make in real time. Artists have always copied eachother, but as someone focused on the work, he’s concerned about this parasocial era of fame eating itself and music becoming less about the music. It could swing the other way as privacy becomes more valued, kids growing up with social media chaos will probably start seeing Being Online as something to grow out of
you are 100% right about ppl copying (or being heavily influenced) all throughout hip hop chronology.. I will say tyler has a point, that the homogeneity has gotten more all consuming and prevalent.
As an artist who has not given an inch on artistic integrity it’s been a painful experience not reaching an audience, but has been fulfilling from a therapeutic aspect. I would love to share my experience as a Smokey ghost shadow participating in the modern arts. It’s a great topic of conversation.
I had the cracked FL Studio and Cool Edit Pro back in the day too! Without it, I wouldn't have gotten into making music in middle school. About Tyler, I think the issue Tyler is speaking about is that the artists that get highlighted are the ones that don't value the music. Meme rap and artists that just want to make money can exist but its when the culture and the biggest platforms put those artists on a pedestal as the best thing the artform has to offer while ignoring talented and passionate artists. I think the frustration shouldn't be pointed to the artists and should be pointed to the industries, platforms and gatekeepers for highlighting this.
I’ve always respected Tyler even though I have never binged his music. He’s a sporadic listen at best for me. I think he’s interesting though and this was an enjoyable interview (better with the OME sidebars) I think he’s one of the few artists in hiphop that has branched away from the genre without catching much hell. It’s that unpredictable appeal he has.
Kendrick is just one of many public figures who has crafted a compelling yet elusive persona that calls on his followers to fill in the gaps with their own interpretations and theories. His mysterious image fuels all the fan-driven narratives and speculation. It's the evolution of crowd participation.
i think its not just cuz younger fans dont know boundaries due to technology but also because younger ppl are just generally more unpolished socially. Plus older people.. "i got a kid to raise, a family to feed, money to make, responsibilities"..
man yall need to listen and comprehend, he said people "LIKE" him. He's not talking about his position, he's talking about current youngins that want to get into industry that are talented LIKE him but are looking at the current landscape. If the industry keep propping up these meme rappers that don't actually give a fuck about putting good shit out then young people coming up won't give a shit either. That's literally what he's saying.
but again the industry has always been that way. the industry has always propped up gimmicks and copycat artists. thats why an artist like Tyler is rare and always will be
@@open_mike_eagleTyler is a mature person who acts lika a kid for goofy reasons. While im not the biggest Tyler fan, his opinion on the copy and paste artist was the most reasonable one. Yes, early 2000s and 90s had their fair share of copy and paste artist, but its wayyyy bigger than it was then. One of "the greatest artist" is Drake and what is he? A copy and paste artist. Look at all are hood rappers. They all sound like auto tune, drill, trap, girls shaking ass, money being thrown, the same 3 pieces of jewelery, skinny jeans with hoodies and crop top baggy tees, white air force 1s and a nike tech, ect. One again, all eras/generation had their fair share bit nowdays all thats playing on the radio is copy and paste artist who all sound the same and its way bigger than it was then.
honestly my favorite thing about OME is how cordial your community tends to be in the comments. disagreements but it’s mad chill when it comes to music discourse.
Him saying that the 2000s were all different…. I bet you there’s gonna be someone in 20 years complaining about how homogenised the scene is and they miss how Tyler didn’t sound like J Cole didn’t sound like Future didn’t sound like Lil Durk didn’t sound like Childish Gambino didn’t sound like JPEGMAFIA lol
Not sure what kinda diet Tyler on, but if "farting" is something in the range of several hours, possibly involving blood loss and months of recovery, that might warrant a check with the doctor
@open_mike_eagle if you really listen to what he said when they focus on this less talented artists it takes away from artist like him so he is just using himself as an example but it's true someone that's actually making incredible albums are being overlooked for artists like ice spice
I don't think Tyler is saying he doesn't have any vices when he mentions that he doesn't have a drug or sex addiction, a criminal record, or a violent history; I think he was trying to express that he doesn't have certain habits or behaviors that stem from certain trauma or stress that stems from an unloving household. I mean, look at the shirt, clearly the dude has vices, I think he's mostly just saying that his vices aren't antisocial or self-destructive.
I LOVE ome saying "he aint heard that shit" .. i get so tired of ppl saying "i love artist X" or "artist X work" and they just know like a single or two
It strikes me that Tyler, for all of his thoughtfulness, has this kind of unexamined contradiction in wanting to be creative vs his consumerist suburban values. He makes it pretty clear that his values involve being free, but that ultimately his marker of freedom is the ability to consume freely. Sometimes he seems to be performing in a way to show that he's not corny like other suburbanites, but I think that's been precisely his appeal to his core audience of other suburbanites. Maybe that traumatic core is related to his problem with stuff like Ian, who is another flavor of a suburbanite rap. I wonder if it might hit too close to home, where it raises his gatekeeping instinct in a way that someone that doesn't feel like they have to defend their authenticity in rap as a suburbanite just wouldn't care. I happen to think he's right that all that stuff is just trash, and I think Tyler has been making more and more interesting music, but he doesn't seem to have much room for class-consciousness in his music, so I wonder if the most he can express artistically is really fleshed out, but particular kinds of experience (the pursuit of freedom through hard work and consumerism), but that he doesn't have much to say that's really universal. It seems like his solution to being an authentic suburbanite rapper is that pure skill allows you to transcend, whereas others fail by being mass-produced, disposable H&M rappers, but I hope he doesn't get caught in a cul-de-sac of rapping about how good he is at rapping or how cool his new car is.
I think you made some good points about his wanting to show everyone his authenticity and also defend himself in the rap game. Post WOLF, I think he made that his mission to really solidify himself in that respect, which if you claim to be a completely free artist, you have to admit some semblance of “appealing to the masses”
@@reportedstolen3603forgive me if this sounds pretentious but I feel like he most definitely was not trying to prove himself in the rap game after WOLF. He dropped cherry bomb after that, which is absolutely not a reach for respect from the rap community. And even on flower boy he raps less and lets the features do a lot of the talking on that album, something he talked about in interviews because he actually didn’t like using his rapping voice anymore. and on Igor he is barely rapping the whole album.He made a primarily rap album with CMIYGL but I feel like it would be unfair to expect that as a representation of his future work, since none of the previous albums sound alike.
@@november0227 cherry bomb had lil Wayne , Pharrell, Kanye etc. how tf is that not catering to the rap scene bro? Also on flower boy, don’t you think talking less and “letting the features do the talking” is very rap oriented. That’s him collating with others in the rap game, and clearly u know it bolstered his name. He made drastic changes from his work prior to wolf. Songs with Lil Wayne, ASAP, Kali uchis, isn’t a huge branch out? Are not two of those artists huge in the rape scene. I’m not sure how u can ignore that.
I used to get premium for a buck a month because VPN trick to make my account in India...they patched that a few years in and now I have to pay full price but I literally can't stand not having premium so I just pay it. They trapped me in
Hey I made a piece of fan art for you like a decade ago. I was a big fan back in the day. Happy to see you're still around. You're still the best, mostly.
Donald Glover created Atlanta to share his opinion and perspective on the rap game. Tyler the Creator complains to Mav Carter. Tyler is a creative genius which is why I find it lazy that he doesn’t find another way to express his thoughts through other mediums (magazine, podcast of his own, web series, etc.)
i bought FL studio as a kid and still ended up using the cracked version somehow. I had like 3 years worth of upgrades with my purchase and never used them lolz.
Tyler getting a PIECE of Supreme. Possible stock options? A % of ownership in the company? Being Creative Director would be a flex & a bag but that would be a deal for Supreme. T deserves more. He helped build the brand.
Mike, you should get RUclips revanced instead of premium, its free, no adds and allows you to customize the shit out of the app, I hide shorts, comments, likes and dislikes, its dope
My whole opinion about tylers (and even lil yachtys) is they try to act mature. And/or try to have a mature opinion about music. And what it looks to me is a put on. Like hey im actually having a mature opinion about life and music. And its all a crock of shit.
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Open Mike Eagle interrupting interviews with his own takes is my favorite genre of video
I think with the "meme rappers" tangent, he's not worried about his own spot. He's mad that they're taking a spot from someone like him. He sees spots filled by clowns and laments the true artists we don't hear from because the lane is so crowded.
Yeah I think Mike might’ve misunderstood there, because this makes total sense in context with the perspective he’s talking from in that part of the conversation.
Guessing at his vice: adrenaline junkie
I think it's also about the market being so flooded with people trying to be meme rappers that there's no more bandwidth for people like him.
I remember early 2000s radio. It was a bunch of guys named big something, lil something, something ice, ice something, something dog. There was plenty of copy cat trash back then also.
man i wish i could’ve seen the snoop copies 😭
I feel like you having tyler on what had happened was would be one of the great hip-hop interviews of the generation
omg yeah
Lol Tyler called Will.I.Am a HOT DOG hahahhahaha
youtube premium comment made me realize open mike is actually goated
D glazer!!!
You're right @33:30 i think Tyler Personally may Indirectly be one of the catalysts of these a lot of these guys he seem to criticize a bit. they have taken some pages of his discography & his odd future cohorts and he doesn't seem to comprehend that.
I do feel like Tyler doesn’t have the vices that most people do. I think his vices or much more positive. Seems like the main things that brings him joy is creating. And then collecting things with the reward he makes makes from his art. It’s a very positive pleasure reward system. I can’t imagine a drug coming close to that feeling for him.
I think he was saying he doesn’t have the kind of vices that would make his mom concerned, or tendencies/pitfalls he’s seen in others that would make himself concerned. Knowing what problems you don’t have is a good thing to be self-aware about
Exactly he says it in his music his vices are spending money buying jewelry cars and houses n shi
re: communicating an idea of a song without saying it outright. ive always felt that really good interludes can do this well. like de la's interludes always kinda conveyed a vibe of how to interpret their music. I also think the alchemist does this well on the albums he produces.
We need Mike’s Will.I.Am story.
🙏
Part of Tyler’s complaints about new rappers is a factor of being at an age to recognize mistakes young people make in real time. Artists have always copied eachother, but as someone focused on the work, he’s concerned about this parasocial era of fame eating itself and music becoming less about the music. It could swing the other way as privacy becomes more valued, kids growing up with social media chaos will probably start seeing Being Online as something to grow out of
Interesting take. There are still a lot of people in the world without internet access. I could see it balancing out then.
Makes sense that Tyler was at the pop out hearing him in this interview
Why. I kinda see why but could you explain?
you are 100% right about ppl copying (or being heavily influenced) all throughout hip hop chronology.. I will say tyler has a point, that the homogeneity has gotten more all consuming and prevalent.
Peter Quistgard kickstarted some sick art
bars
18:16 that’s why Element is now one of my favourite songs. That music video, man.
Cool Edit! that is a deeeeeeep cut. I started with Cool Edit and later picked up Cool Edit Pro. 'Peter Quistgard' taking me back 😂
As an artist who has not given an inch on artistic integrity it’s been a painful experience not reaching an audience, but has been fulfilling from a therapeutic aspect. I would love to share my experience as a Smokey ghost shadow participating in the modern arts. It’s a great topic of conversation.
I had the cracked FL Studio and Cool Edit Pro back in the day too! Without it, I wouldn't have gotten into making music in middle school.
About Tyler, I think the issue Tyler is speaking about is that the artists that get highlighted are the ones that don't value the music. Meme rap and artists that just want to make money can exist but its when the culture and the biggest platforms put those artists on a pedestal as the best thing the artform has to offer while ignoring talented and passionate artists.
I think the frustration shouldn't be pointed to the artists and should be pointed to the industries, platforms and gatekeepers for highlighting this.
I wanna hear Mav say “I love biopic movies”
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I used to have that Modest Mouse shirt. I miss that modest mouse shirt.
I’ve always respected Tyler even though I have never binged his music. He’s a sporadic listen at best for me. I think he’s interesting though and this was an enjoyable interview (better with the OME sidebars) I think he’s one of the few artists in hiphop that has branched away from the genre without catching much hell. It’s that unpredictable appeal he has.
I been fucking with RUclips prime for like 3-4 years now. I love it.
He's upset because they're not artist they're products.
waaaa waaa cry they’re still artists
@@333.trinitya lot of them are not. they don’t care about the craft and fucking suck
@@333.trinitylisten to a lil mabu album and tell me that’s an artist. Yeah my fucking ass dude😭
@@333.trinity did you feel big and strong typing this out
Kendrick is just one of many public figures who has crafted a compelling yet elusive persona that calls on his followers to fill in the gaps with their own interpretations and theories. His mysterious image fuels all the fan-driven narratives and speculation. It's the evolution of crowd participation.
It's wild that it was assumed that it was necessary to explain 3/4 I really thought that was common knowledge
it is not common knowledge
Peter hooked it up.
i think its not just cuz younger fans dont know boundaries due to technology but also because younger ppl are just generally more unpolished socially. Plus older people.. "i got a kid to raise, a family to feed, money to make, responsibilities"..
man yall need to listen and comprehend, he said people "LIKE" him. He's not talking about his position, he's talking about current youngins that want to get into industry that are talented LIKE him but are looking at the current landscape. If the industry keep propping up these meme rappers that don't actually give a fuck about putting good shit out then young people coming up won't give a shit either. That's literally what he's saying.
but again the industry has always been that way. the industry has always propped up gimmicks and copycat artists. thats why an artist like Tyler is rare and always will be
@@open_mike_eagleTyler is a mature person who acts lika a kid for goofy reasons. While im not the biggest Tyler fan, his opinion on the copy and paste artist was the most reasonable one. Yes, early 2000s and 90s had their fair share of copy and paste artist, but its wayyyy bigger than it was then. One of "the greatest artist" is Drake and what is he? A copy and paste artist. Look at all are hood rappers. They all sound like auto tune, drill, trap, girls shaking ass, money being thrown, the same 3 pieces of jewelery, skinny jeans with hoodies and crop top baggy tees, white air force 1s and a nike tech, ect. One again, all eras/generation had their fair share bit nowdays all thats playing on the radio is copy and paste artist who all sound the same and its way bigger than it was then.
That Brian Pillman joke got me going
Love the Modest Mouse shirt!
he does sound like super dave
The beat definitely told you to spaz on Split Pants in Detroit
Loved your thoughts on hip hop and capitalism at the end. You could do a whole video on that.
honestly my favorite thing about OME is how cordial your community tends to be in the comments. disagreements but it’s mad chill when it comes to music discourse.
Him saying that the 2000s were all different…. I bet you there’s gonna be someone in 20 years complaining about how homogenised the scene is and they miss how Tyler didn’t sound like J Cole didn’t sound like Future didn’t sound like Lil Durk didn’t sound like Childish Gambino didn’t sound like JPEGMAFIA lol
Not sure what kinda diet Tyler on, but if "farting" is something in the range of several hours, possibly involving blood loss and months of recovery, that might warrant a check with the doctor
18:08 all i could hear after sometimes was 'you gotta close the door to open a window'
which somwhow fits with the point
I'm so glad you didn't live a life that made you curious about/forced you the levels of the emotional intelligence in the world.
Thanks for this. What's your favourite Modest Mouse track &/or album?
Commenting before i even watch the video!
BEP's Behind the Front was good and I knew they could reach where they are.
Open Mike Eagle, Do you think a return to physical artifacts could be a net positive for the culture? What possibilities do you see?
I think it would be great for the music industry period but I dont see it happening on a large scale because of the price of producing physical items
I don't think he feels threatened it's the attention goes to artists that don't care about the music and artists like him that do don't get that
i mean fair but I feel like he gets plenty of attention tho no?
@open_mike_eagle if you really listen to what he said when they focus on this less talented artists it takes away from artist like him so he is just using himself as an example but it's true someone that's actually making incredible albums are being overlooked for artists like ice spice
I don't think Tyler is saying he doesn't have any vices when he mentions that he doesn't have a drug or sex addiction, a criminal record, or a violent history; I think he was trying to express that he doesn't have certain habits or behaviors that stem from certain trauma or stress that stems from an unloving household. I mean, look at the shirt, clearly the dude has vices, I think he's mostly just saying that his vices aren't antisocial or self-destructive.
I LOVE ome saying "he aint heard that shit" .. i get so tired of ppl saying "i love artist X" or "artist X work" and they just know like a single or two
Oh shit forgot about Peter Quistgard!!! I started on FL and Cool Edit too. :^)
It strikes me that Tyler, for all of his thoughtfulness, has this kind of unexamined contradiction in wanting to be creative vs his consumerist suburban values. He makes it pretty clear that his values involve being free, but that ultimately his marker of freedom is the ability to consume freely. Sometimes he seems to be performing in a way to show that he's not corny like other suburbanites, but I think that's been precisely his appeal to his core audience of other suburbanites.
Maybe that traumatic core is related to his problem with stuff like Ian, who is another flavor of a suburbanite rap. I wonder if it might hit too close to home, where it raises his gatekeeping instinct in a way that someone that doesn't feel like they have to defend their authenticity in rap as a suburbanite just wouldn't care. I happen to think he's right that all that stuff is just trash, and I think Tyler has been making more and more interesting music, but he doesn't seem to have much room for class-consciousness in his music, so I wonder if the most he can express artistically is really fleshed out, but particular kinds of experience (the pursuit of freedom through hard work and consumerism), but that he doesn't have much to say that's really universal.
It seems like his solution to being an authentic suburbanite rapper is that pure skill allows you to transcend, whereas others fail by being mass-produced, disposable H&M rappers, but I hope he doesn't get caught in a cul-de-sac of rapping about how good he is at rapping or how cool his new car is.
I think you made some good points about his wanting to show everyone his authenticity and also defend himself in the rap game. Post WOLF, I think he made that his mission to really solidify himself in that respect, which if you claim to be a completely free artist, you have to admit some semblance of “appealing to the masses”
Wow you put your finger on exactly what I felt but didnt know how to articulate
@@reportedstolen3603forgive me if this sounds pretentious but I feel like he most definitely was not trying to prove himself in the rap game after WOLF. He dropped cherry bomb after that, which is absolutely not a reach for respect from the rap community. And even on flower boy he raps less and lets the features do a lot of the talking on that album, something he talked about in interviews because he actually didn’t like using his rapping voice anymore. and on Igor he is barely rapping the whole album.He made a primarily rap album with CMIYGL but I feel like it would be unfair to expect that as a representation of his future work, since none of the previous albums sound alike.
@@november0227 cherry bomb had lil Wayne , Pharrell, Kanye etc. how tf is that not catering to the rap scene bro? Also on flower boy, don’t you think talking less and “letting the features do the talking” is very rap oriented. That’s him collating with others in the rap game, and clearly u know it bolstered his name. He made drastic changes from his work prior to wolf. Songs with Lil Wayne, ASAP, Kali uchis, isn’t a huge branch out? Are not two of those artists huge in the rape scene. I’m not sure how u can ignore that.
how do you define suburbanite ain
Out kast first album the flows were just like Del and Hiero before they came into their own.
Sponsorblock extension is great too
tyler always come off insecure
like he is like idk
timid to the fact that hes going be remembered as a legend in 40/50 years still
cool edit pro! shout out peter q
Appreciate your thoughts as always OME
hes not just talking about hip hop hes talking about a homogenisation of all music
is he?
Ads literally make me kill myself everytime
I used to get premium for a buck a month because VPN trick to make my account in India...they patched that a few years in and now I have to pay full price but I literally can't stand not having premium so I just pay it. They trapped me in
Nah man, music fans have always been kind of a bit much ever since the Beatles era.
love you OME
PETER QUISTGARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LONG LIVE PETER QUISTGARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks!
My momma dont love shit, got a restraining order on her. Not many hugs in my life and it shows in my 30s stressed out.
i like your tattoos mike
Open Mike Eagle is Corey Kenshin’s father idgaf
Hey I made a piece of fan art for you like a decade ago. I was a big fan back in the day. Happy to see you're still around. You're still the best, mostly.
that man ain't never heard that album
Not only did he not hear it, that’s the first time someone mentioned it to him
that shit cracked me up
Also adguard blocks all the ads.
for all his ego he does seem to maintain a grasp on reality
Who
The ego is the dirtiest of private parts
He has an ego because he cares about art?
@@subzu2733 he is pretentious as fuck about it
@@subzu2733he’s a cool artist himself tho
His voice sounds like sand paper
Matter of fact... They both sound like sand paper
P 320 - P 600 grit
Collision repair, auto body type mook
Donald Glover created Atlanta to share his opinion and perspective on the rap game. Tyler the Creator complains to Mav Carter. Tyler is a creative genius which is why I find it lazy that he doesn’t find another way to express his thoughts through other mediums (magazine, podcast of his own, web series, etc.)
Who would think that I would be liking and subscribing to OME in 2024
thank you and thank you in 2024
i bought FL studio as a kid and still ended up using the cracked version somehow. I had like 3 years worth of upgrades with my purchase and never used them lolz.
i did not get a lot of hugs! nor i love yous. lots of love lots of support but in different ways. its real.
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Tyler getting a PIECE of Supreme. Possible stock options? A % of ownership in the company? Being Creative Director would be a flex & a bag but that would be a deal for Supreme. T deserves more. He helped build the brand.
Nooooo he did not bro lol. Supreme was already every hypebeast’s Thursday drop wet dream, even before “Yonkers” dropped.
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Build the brand? Man you kids and your flat out lies.
Mike, you should get RUclips revanced instead of premium, its free, no adds and allows you to customize the shit out of the app, I hide shorts, comments, likes and dislikes, its dope
👀👀 Never heard of this
My whole opinion about tylers (and even lil yachtys) is they try to act mature. And/or try to have a mature opinion about music. And what it looks to me is a put on. Like hey im actually having a mature opinion about life and music. And its all a crock of shit.