I like the implications here. The Doctor is an artificial being with the Hippocratic Oath probably in the very core of his programming. However, the way I see this is, he feels shame from having hurt his shipmates. He cites the oath here to remind himself that, whatever personal pursuits he has, it must never compromise his primary function.
If I remember correctly, this is actually the first time the Doc recites the Oath. While he was programmed as a physician, he was never considered a person until Voyager needed him to go above and beyond, and so he never officially made the oath, but now he takes it upon himself to take the first step in being an individual by reciting the Hippocratic Oath and establishing himself not just as an Emergency Medical Hologram, but as a Doctor.
And a Human. I consider the EMH Doctor along with Data as being Human because like us they are always learning what it is like to be Human. Everyday is a new experience for all of us.
I think in this instance he cites the oath lest he forgets what his primary function is and that none of his individual pursuits is to ever interfere with that. Plus he clearly feels guilt.
This is the one of the hidden gems we somtimes see on TV, when a comic actor drops the laughs and delivers a killer line reading like this. The end of Blackadder goes forth, the last scene of Mitchell and Webb are similar.
The EMH of Voyager had a unique character development. He began as a dry medical program that was only meant to be an extra pair of hands for the actual medical team on board. As time moved forward, so did his ability to learn and grow. Rather than be regarded as complex hologram codes, he became a vital member of the crew. The Doctor was able to experience existence outside of sick bay with the holodeck first. Then, with a small upgrade from the 29th century, he was able to move freely around the ship and even see other planets up close. He got to experience love, loss, and a crisis of faith. By the time Voyager returned to Earth, the Doctor was much more than what he was originally programmed to be. He is the most advanced Mark One EMH in Starfleet, still practicing medicine while all the other Mark Ones are trapped in mines. His creator was reluctant to accept his help at first but admitted that having at least one EMH with his face still doing what he was designed to do was a comfort.
I figured I'd add a little before so that people can get a general idea of the scene before the actual oath. I really enjoyed this scene as a whole. The Doctor prides himself on his ability to help people and to, yes, do no harm. So something like this was a bit of a hit, I'd wager. Hence why he recites the Hippocratic Oath.
@@captainl-ron4068 Not to mention, ingenious episode "Life Line" when Doc's creator acknowledges that it is good to know that at least one of these is still doing what they were supposed to do.
the hippocratic oath is real tho, first made in 400 BC by hippocrates, a ancient greek physician, and later adapted into modern times, is a series of ethical responsibilities for physicians. most physicians either do not follow or choose to follow some aspects of the hippocratic oath and leave others out. the classical version: I swear by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation-to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this Art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others. I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot! and the more modern 21st century version: I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help. the physician themselves has evolved over the years, from dealing with herbs to artificial medicines produced in places of manufacturing. some physicians go by the ancient oath, while others go by the modern oath, but almost all practice one thing i hate most, that i feel is unethical in science and medicine: do the bidding of the manufacturers that sell you the medicines, and equipment for you to practice medicine effectively. daring to question them results in a risk to your license revoked, and being called a "quack" by the big corporations and big government that supports a historically unrivaled orthodoxy of science and medicine.
@@williamr1088 It's a great premise with great actors and great characters... placed in the hands of showrunners who didn't even know that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant after a couple of years.
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I like the implications here. The Doctor is an artificial being with the Hippocratic Oath probably in the very core of his programming. However, the way I see this is, he feels shame from having hurt his shipmates. He cites the oath here to remind himself that, whatever personal pursuits he has, it must never compromise his primary function.
If I remember correctly, this is actually the first time the Doc recites the Oath. While he was programmed as a physician, he was never considered a person until Voyager needed him to go above and beyond, and so he never officially made the oath, but now he takes it upon himself to take the first step in being an individual by reciting the Hippocratic Oath and establishing himself not just as an Emergency Medical Hologram, but as a Doctor.
And a Human. I consider the EMH Doctor along with Data as being Human because like us they are always learning what it is like to be Human. Everyday is a new experience for all of us.
I think in this instance he cites the oath lest he forgets what his primary function is and that none of his individual pursuits is to ever interfere with that. Plus he clearly feels guilt.
Say what you want... Voyager HAD its moments, on pair there with all the best Star Trek ever offered. (Someone to Watch Over Me!)
better than stuff they have now which just rips off star wars, lord of the rings, and and other plagiarism cases with Discovery and Picard.
This is the one of the hidden gems we somtimes see on TV, when a comic actor drops the laughs and delivers a killer line reading like this. The end of Blackadder goes forth, the last scene of Mitchell and Webb are similar.
Voyagers Doctor: I shall do no harm
Beverly in Picard S3 "die! Die! DIE!!!" *pew pew pew*
I've been watching Voyager on the Horror channel, this episode was on just a day or two ago. I really loved this scene.
The EMH of Voyager had a unique character development. He began as a dry medical program that was only meant to be an extra pair of hands for the actual medical team on board. As time moved forward, so did his ability to learn and grow. Rather than be regarded as complex hologram codes, he became a vital member of the crew. The Doctor was able to experience existence outside of sick bay with the holodeck first. Then, with a small upgrade from the 29th century, he was able to move freely around the ship and even see other planets up close. He got to experience love, loss, and a crisis of faith. By the time Voyager returned to Earth, the Doctor was much more than what he was originally programmed to be. He is the most advanced Mark One EMH in Starfleet, still practicing medicine while all the other Mark Ones are trapped in mines. His creator was reluctant to accept his help at first but admitted that having at least one EMH with his face still doing what he was designed to do was a comfort.
I figured I'd add a little before so that people can get a general idea of the scene before the actual oath. I really enjoyed this scene as a whole. The Doctor prides himself on his ability to help people and to, yes, do no harm. So something like this was a bit of a hit, I'd wager.
Hence why he recites the Hippocratic Oath.
Also he had just faced a crisis of identity. This oath provides him some comfort because it helps him affirm his identity, he is The Doctor.
@@captainl-ron4068 Not to mention, ingenious episode "Life Line" when Doc's creator acknowledges that it is good to know that at least one of these is still doing what they were supposed to do.
the hippocratic oath is real tho, first made in 400 BC by hippocrates, a ancient greek physician, and later adapted into modern times, is a series of ethical responsibilities for physicians. most physicians either do not follow or choose to follow some aspects of the hippocratic oath and leave others out.
the classical version:
I swear by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation-to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this Art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others. I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot!
and the more modern 21st century version:
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
the physician themselves has evolved over the years, from dealing with herbs to artificial medicines produced in places of manufacturing. some physicians go by the ancient oath, while others go by the modern oath, but almost all practice one thing i hate most, that i feel is unethical in science and medicine: do the bidding of the manufacturers that sell you the medicines, and equipment for you to practice medicine effectively. daring to question them results in a risk to your license revoked, and being called a "quack" by the big corporations and big government that supports a historically unrivaled orthodoxy of science and medicine.
Darkling
Appolyon the Destroyer
Joe Biden the Election Stealer
I think Kes should have stayed when Seven came on board.
They might learn from one another.
Agreed. She was a good character. They should have jettisoned Neelix instead.
1:12 lol
Which episode was this. I'd like to watch it again
Darkling. Third season.
Oh Robert Picardo, you deserved a much better Star Trek show...
I disagree Voyager is a great show.
@@williamr1088 It's a great premise with great actors and great characters... placed in the hands of showrunners who didn't even know that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant after a couple of years.