Yep, im never watching any of these live, i dont have 4-12 hours a week to spare for stuff that i wont like, when at most ill enjoy an hour of the content at most.
I could make a better show in 1 hour. Half that locker room is not going to be on TV in 4 months and the other half are bogged down by having to push unnecessary talent over that can't event wrestle (i.e. Liv and Dom). The extra time is just for extra ad space, that's it.
I didn't realize until around 20 years ago that all of the Superstars and Challenge shows were taped at house shows. I also wondered why there were Hogan signs at packed houses for shows filled with jobbers and squash matches.
If you go on the History of WWE website they show house show and TV taping results, and a lot of those TV tapings look like a miserable experience. There's like 30 matches but none of them go longer than 5 minutes and 90% of them are guys squashing some pasty white jobber that's dressed in the same gear he wore while wrestling for his high school team and using his real name. And it seems like half of them took place in some decrepit barn in White Plains, NY. Early to mid 90s WWF was pretty rough.
Wrestling Challenge was so bad back in the day. I used to stay up late on Sunday nights with the sound and color turned way down on my TV for that crap. lol
Here in Australia I watched Raw Highlights on WWE network (before it disappeared for Netflix), It was an hour show, and you saw every match and a few promos that was on the previously 3 hour Raw. All because they removed the 15min long entrances and the constant recaps.
I like it when Jim skips almost all women's div matches. So when he actually takes the time to watch a Women's match fully, everything seems new and awesome to him (that we the regular viewers have probably seen 10x already that week lmao)
Back in the 1970's, when soap operas had started expanding to one hour (and some of them had great success in doing so), NBC tried expanding one soap (I think it was "Another World") to 90 minutes. It didn't work. Turns out that the sweet spot for soaps would forevermore be one hour.
I was happy with one hour shows back in the day, because Saturday you had an hour of Memphis (through Louisville), and an hour of Mid-South, followed by two hours of TBS wrestling at 6:05 pm. Four hours on a Saturday were more than enough to last me through the week, and there was variety because you were watching three different promotions with their own style and stars. Nowadays it's oversaturated and I'm too old for an endurance test.
I tried to do a Raw run, from the start and up to until about 2001. The 1hr Raw's were so easy to get through but the second it changed to 2hrs? Geez sometimes even the good episodes felt like the dragged so hard, most of the time.
I think an hour would be perfect if you were on HBO or something and got the full hour, but with commercials you're only getting like 42 minutes, which really isn't enough IMO unless you're a tiny indie with like 20 people. And since it's basically impossible to get a 90 minute time slot I guess we gotta go with 2 hours. Anything more than that is excessive. And there's no reason for any PPV besides WM to be more than 3 hours.
Love ya Corny, but the optimal length you speak of could also apply to the Drive-In and Experience. I mean, really guys, 4-freakin' hour podcasts, and most of it is a BS reviews of AEW matches that nobody gives a crap about. Less reviews, more stories, history and Guess the Card. And your great commercials, of course.
I’m not opposed to the longer podcasts because I listen at work. But them reviewing AEW doesn’t make much sense when TNA is the better company and they don’t even get mentioned on either show
@@smoothpoon86 Jim banned impact after that Tommy Dreamer angle with the assassination by gunshot in the ring, with Dreamer wearing a dear stalker cap and holding a magnifying glass. It might be time for him to lift that ban and place AEW under it, though. Once AEW fucks up Shelton Benjamin and Bobby Lashley, we might be able to convince him, but if they somehow beat the odds, maybe not.
@@smoothpoon86 It's kind of a rib/fan request. He stopped reviewing AEW and fans complained to him, but he also noticed that AEW ratings went up when he did the reviews. In other words, we hate watch it thanks to Jim.....and AEW owes a huge thanks to Jim.
For myself watching back, (in particular going back to the start of Raw and up to the end of the attitude era) I found that the 1hr RAW's were a breeze to get through. Even if the episode was poor, it still didnt overstay its welcome. When Raw expanded to 2hrs, sometimes even the good episodes dragged on and part of me was wishing it'd hurry up and get to the main event, so it could be over already.
2 hours for raw and 1 hour and 30 minutes for smackdown. The ppv's can be 3 hours. Just my opinion on what the length of a wrestling show and the ppv's should be.
Two hours for your weeklies where 70% or so of the content is matches rather than promos. 3-4 hours for PPV, where you can do everything you want, provided you've built up meaningful matches.
I think one hour's good, depending on how many wrestlers are on the roster. MAYBE two, though if you're going to have more than two weekly televised shows, why not two one hour shows? Three MAYBE for special occasions. Three is too long to be weekly. WCW, with its asinine 265 wrestler roster, is to blame for this length inflation.
1 Hour (or 45-50 minutes before ads) I think is the best length for a wrestling TV show. It means absolutely no filler and the pace of the show never slows down.
I think the optimal time is 2 hours as long as 40 minutes of it isn’t commercials. I’d rather watch a 1 hour show with just a few big matches with 10 minutes of ads. I’ll never watch a Saturday Night Main Event again after last night. There was literally over 10 commercial breaks, and in some instances only 5 minutes apart. You can’t even get into that.
Isn't this kind of an unnecessary topic? The length of wrestling shows have been determined by the amount of sponsors they can cram in there. The moment ECW got a video game, I noticed they changed their whole look and they added an extra half hour of table smashing. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant AEW.
Personally I like 1 hour. I think 90 minutes could work as well. I believe in the law of diminishing returns so when you have 1 hour you don't see the same people every week
Using my recent personal experience of going back and watching Raw from the start, I'd have loved to have seen what Raw back then, would have felt like with 90 minutes. The early 1hr Raws never dragged for me and even a bad episode was over quickly. Switch to 2hrs and sometimes it felt even a good episode can drag. 90 minutes could have been really good, more time to work with but not enough time to drag on too much.
Most local newscasts should go back to 15 mins imo. I think they're still a good thing to have, but in a post information revolution 21st century world, they have no right going on for 30-60 minutes while also inserting worthless filler stories such as a dog being adopted from a local pound.
There has always been a lot of pro wrestling on tv. Just look at WWF & NWA from 1989 for example. WWF- Wrestling Spotlight, Superstars of Wrestling, Wrestling Challenge- syndicated 60 minutes; All American & Primetime Wrestling(2hrs) on USA network NWA- Worldwide, Nwa Pro- syndicated 60 minutes; Power Hour, Main Event(both 60 minutes) & World Championship Wrestling aka Saturday Night (1-2hrs) each week. So between both main companies, you're looking at 10+ hours of wrestling weekly. This is not a new thing. There has always been a lot of weekly televised pro wrestling. I'm not even counting the various local promotions as well as espn's wrestling coverage as well.
I just wanted to add that it seems like so much more nowadays because most of today's shows are shown in 2-3 hour blocks. Back then, the Wrestling was more chopped up, mostly in 1 hour clips. It was easier to watch at different points during the weekends rather than today's large blocks during weeknights.
2 hour long like Smackdown was in 2005 was perfect. EXCEPT when they didn't time manage correctly in the very few times they let a match go past 10pm and you couldn't see the end because the network cut it off at 10 on the dot.
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Raw being 2-hours has been great but it's smackdown that's suffering why have it be a 3-hour show by 10:00 I'm asleep glad that's only temporary and it'll go back to 2-hours in june wrestling should never be 3-hours that's why raw sucked so bad because it was 3-hours at least raw on netflix has flexibility.
I thought that with Raw being streamed, Triple H would be able to sometimes have the show less than 2 hours, 2 hours or sometimes over 2 hours depending on how well the show is going and how well it's getting over with the audience. Gives him flexibility
silly silly brian. 😂 jim didn’t have the talent or the booking capabilities to produce a coherent 90 minute weekly program for SMW😂😂😂 so silly brian last.
The more talent that WWE has that they actually want to put on tv every week, the longer Raw and Smackdown will be. That is why the shows are 2.5 to 3 hours long. I also heard rumors that some wrestlers were unhappy with Raw being 2 hours during the last 2 or 3 months of 2024 because they weren’t getting any TV time. If these rumors were true, then these wrestlers need to be fired.
No. Longer shows just means even more time of the same small group of people. More dead air with people just standing in the ring doing nothing for 10 minutes.
Podcast used to be really funny and entertaining. Why does he not talk about politics or controversial subjects anymore? I would much rather hear that than talk about the current Wrestling product
I would much rather hear him talk about wrestling than politics even though I agree with a lot of his views. I come to this wrestling podcast to listen to Jim and Brian talk about wrestling and nothing else.
my personal opinion, 2 hours for a weekly, 3 hours for ppv. I can't stand those 5-6 hours shows with 15 matches.
I agree 2 hour shows weekly are perfect. Enough time to watch without being too long and if you have a busy schedule can watch.
Yep, im never watching any of these live, i dont have 4-12 hours a week to spare for stuff that i wont like, when at most ill enjoy an hour of the content at most.
This is the correct answer
I could make a better show in 1 hour. Half that locker room is not going to be on TV in 4 months and the other half are bogged down by having to push unnecessary talent over that can't event wrestle (i.e. Liv and Dom). The extra time is just for extra ad space, that's it.
I didn’t mind it as a once a year thing for Mania where you could make a day of it but then every PPV started going 4+ hours
*The optimal length of an AEW show is **0:00** minutes.*
I didn't realize until around 20 years ago that all of the Superstars and Challenge shows were taped at house shows.
I also wondered why there were Hogan signs at packed houses for shows filled with jobbers and squash matches.
If you go on the History of WWE website they show house show and TV taping results, and a lot of those TV tapings look like a miserable experience. There's like 30 matches but none of them go longer than 5 minutes and 90% of them are guys squashing some pasty white jobber that's dressed in the same gear he wore while wrestling for his high school team and using his real name. And it seems like half of them took place in some decrepit barn in White Plains, NY. Early to mid 90s WWF was pretty rough.
Wrestling Challenge was so bad back in the day. I used to stay up late on Sunday nights with the sound and color turned way down on my TV for that crap. lol
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma that's basically what Dark was for AEW
Here in Australia I watched Raw Highlights on WWE network (before it disappeared for Netflix), It was an hour show, and you saw every match and a few promos that was on the previously 3 hour Raw. All because they removed the 15min long entrances and the constant recaps.
Travis Heckel has outdone himself once again!
Cornac made me laugh.
Jim did call himself Cornac the Magnificent when cutting a promo with Vader on Raw back in 1996, so that thumbnail made me laugh hard!
2 hours for Raw and Smackdown, 3 hours for PPVs, 1 hour for NXT and AEW Dynamite, cancel everything else.
The cult needs to start our own promotion, we get "it" and how it needs to be done
He missed a great missile Dropkick
I like it when Jim skips almost all women's div matches. So when he actually takes the time to watch a Women's match fully, everything seems new and awesome to him (that we the regular viewers have probably seen 10x already that week lmao)
Cornac the Magnificent
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Back in the 1970's, when soap operas had started expanding to one hour (and some of them had great success in doing so), NBC tried expanding one soap (I think it was "Another World") to 90 minutes. It didn't work. Turns out that the sweet spot for soaps would forevermore be one hour.
Soap operas are for women. Women need to get out of wrestling thats supposed to be for men
People forget about commercials. 2 hour show would be about 1.5 hours of wrestling. Minus promos/interviews now that's about an hour of wrestling.
That’s plenty for a weekly show
It’s too bad they skipped over the PFC/Damage CTRL match. Their thoughts on Zoey’s double dropkick to Dakota might’ve been interesting.
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I actually liked that 14-15 era of TNA when it was 90 minutes.
The territories knew how to pack more into an hour than WWE does in three.
I was happy with one hour shows back in the day, because Saturday you had an hour of Memphis (through Louisville), and an hour of Mid-South, followed by two hours of TBS wrestling at 6:05 pm. Four hours on a Saturday were more than enough to last me through the week, and there was variety because you were watching three different promotions with their own style and stars. Nowadays it's oversaturated and I'm too old for an endurance test.
I tried to do a Raw run, from the start and up to until about 2001.
The 1hr Raw's were so easy to get through but the second it changed to 2hrs? Geez sometimes even the good episodes felt like the dragged so hard, most of the time.
This is the shit that we want to hear. I wish they would dedicate this podcast to just old school stuff like this
I think an hour would be perfect if you were on HBO or something and got the full hour, but with commercials you're only getting like 42 minutes, which really isn't enough IMO unless you're a tiny indie with like 20 people. And since it's basically impossible to get a 90 minute time slot I guess we gotta go with 2 hours. Anything more than that is excessive. And there's no reason for any PPV besides WM to be more than 3 hours.
Good point
You can make an hour work, we have examples for it. Just has to be a tight show that hypes the big shows
@ the problem is the booker they can’t make 6 hours of television to build up challengers for a world champion on a consistent basis
It's not practical, but I'd say 90 mins. 1 hour may not be enough and 2 hours sucks if it's a boring product.
Watching anything live is such a waste of time, just watch it later and skip shit
I just miss the hour long (with commercials) shows, twice a week, on KTVT in the 80s in Dallas.
Eating and puppy belly rubs is much more enjoyable than wrestling nowadays.
More than what this world has to offer today is what I would say
2 hours is perfect as long as it’s not 50% promos
Love ya Corny, but the optimal length you speak of could also apply to the Drive-In and Experience. I mean, really guys, 4-freakin' hour podcasts, and most of it is a BS reviews of AEW matches that nobody gives a crap about. Less reviews, more stories, history and Guess the Card. And your great commercials, of course.
I’m not opposed to the longer podcasts because I listen at work. But them reviewing AEW doesn’t make much sense when TNA is the better company and they don’t even get mentioned on either show
@@smoothpoon86 Jim banned impact after that Tommy Dreamer angle with the assassination by gunshot in the ring, with Dreamer wearing a dear stalker cap and holding a magnifying glass. It might be time for him to lift that ban and place AEW under it, though. Once AEW fucks up Shelton Benjamin and Bobby Lashley, we might be able to convince him, but if they somehow beat the odds, maybe not.
@@smoothpoon86 It's kind of a rib/fan request. He stopped reviewing AEW and fans complained to him, but he also noticed that AEW ratings went up when he did the reviews. In other words, we hate watch it thanks to Jim.....and AEW owes a huge thanks to Jim.
So skip the parts you don't like, taking out AEW would take away a lot of attention
I enjoy the AEW reviews even though I don’t watch it.
I was ecstatic when RAW dropped to two hours, only to quickly feel the dread when Smackdown went up to three.
Depends on the show, surely? An enjoyable product with decently paced matches, maybe 1.5, 2 hours.
AEW weekly TV, maybe 1.5, 2 minutes
Is that with a one minute lead in & another one minute over run?
Don't bury aew like that. They are doing a good job at it themselves
Can't lose viewers in the first quarter if there isn't a second quarter!
(Points to head to indicate intelligence)
@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma lead in then cut to titles big bump in viewers
For myself watching back, (in particular going back to the start of Raw and up to the end of the attitude era) I found that the 1hr RAW's were a breeze to get through. Even if the episode was poor, it still didnt overstay its welcome.
When Raw expanded to 2hrs, sometimes even the good episodes dragged on and part of me was wishing it'd hurry up and get to the main event, so it could be over already.
2 hours for raw and 1 hour and 30 minutes for smackdown. The ppv's can be 3 hours. Just my opinion on what the length of a wrestling show and the ppv's should be.
Two hours for your weeklies where 70% or so of the content is matches rather than promos. 3-4 hours for PPV, where you can do everything you want, provided you've built up meaningful matches.
Sometimes Brian will ask a question or a fallow up and I'm like "That's exactly what I would ask him"
2hrs live weekly main show, 1hr taped weekly B show, 3hr commercial free "Live Premium Event"
Pass the slide rule please or at least one of the calculators with more than just numbers.
To me a perfect TV is 1 hour, PPV/Live 2-3hrs.
60 minutes for shows like tna impact and 90 minutes for shows like wwe smackdown and raw for me.
i like 1 hour 45 minutes. Smackdown use to be shorter back in CW era
I think one hour's good, depending on how many wrestlers are on the roster. MAYBE two, though if you're going to have more than two weekly televised shows, why not two one hour shows? Three MAYBE for special occasions. Three is too long to be weekly. WCW, with its asinine 265 wrestler roster, is to blame for this length inflation.
Two hours tops
Same time as a wormhole can stay open.
1 Hour (or 45-50 minutes before ads) I think is the best length for a wrestling TV show. It means absolutely no filler and the pace of the show never slows down.
I think the optimal time is 2 hours as long as 40 minutes of it isn’t commercials. I’d rather watch a 1 hour show with just a few big matches with 10 minutes of ads. I’ll never watch a Saturday Night Main Event again after last night. There was literally over 10 commercial breaks, and in some instances only 5 minutes apart. You can’t even get into that.
Isn't this kind of an unnecessary topic? The length of wrestling shows have been determined by the amount of sponsors they can cram in there.
The moment ECW got a video game, I noticed they changed their whole look and they added an extra half hour of table smashing.
Oh, I'm sorry, I meant AEW.
One can use exactly the same rationale to determine that every topic is unnecessary.
Why'd you come and listen?
@maturin1919 because Jim also has some additional stories and information regardless of how mundane the topic is, are you new to this?
@@shindeanwhyd you come wnd listen is a are you nee here? Regardless of poor excuses 😂😂😂😂
@hughmurphy151 Because I'm here to listen to Jim take any topic and make it funny, I don't care about YOUR opinion, dumbass 🤡
Personally I like 1 hour. I think 90 minutes could work as well. I believe in the law of diminishing returns so when you have 1 hour you don't see the same people every week
Using my recent personal experience of going back and watching Raw from the start, I'd have loved to have seen what Raw back then, would have felt like with 90 minutes.
The early 1hr Raws never dragged for me and even a bad episode was over quickly.
Switch to 2hrs and sometimes it felt even a good episode can drag.
90 minutes could have been really good, more time to work with but not enough time to drag on too much.
Cornac the magnificent
They've been kept in a mayonnaise jar on funk & Wagnalls porch since noon today...
@@MopShrudelNO ONE knows the contents of these envelopes, except you...in your borderline mystical way
2 hour tv, 2 hour weekly house show and maybe a bi monthly 3 hour ple
Columbo was 90 minutes
90 minutes + the occasional overrun. I’d always catch a 3 hour RAW starting at the 2nd hour and 90 minutes in, I’d have my fill. Same with AEW.
Most local newscasts should go back to 15 mins imo. I think they're still a good thing to have, but in a post information revolution 21st century world, they have no right going on for 30-60 minutes while also inserting worthless filler stories such as a dog being adopted from a local pound.
There has always been a lot of pro wrestling on tv. Just look at WWF & NWA from 1989 for example.
WWF- Wrestling Spotlight, Superstars of Wrestling, Wrestling Challenge- syndicated 60 minutes;
All American & Primetime Wrestling(2hrs) on USA network
NWA- Worldwide, Nwa Pro- syndicated 60 minutes;
Power Hour, Main Event(both 60 minutes) & World Championship Wrestling aka Saturday Night (1-2hrs) each week. So between both main companies, you're looking at 10+ hours of wrestling weekly. This is not a new thing. There has always been a lot of weekly televised pro wrestling. I'm not even counting the various local promotions as well as espn's wrestling coverage as well.
I just wanted to add that it seems like so much more nowadays because most of today's shows are shown in 2-3 hour blocks. Back then, the Wrestling was more chopped up, mostly in 1 hour clips. It was easier to watch at different points during the weekends rather than today's large blocks during weeknights.
Timeless Toni Storm is Back 🥱 and they happened to put it on Collision on a Saturday night a show that nobody watches 😂😂😂
Women wrestling sucks
2 hour long like Smackdown was in 2005 was perfect. EXCEPT when they didn't time manage correctly in the very few times they let a match go past 10pm and you couldn't see the end because the network cut it off at 10 on the dot.
It was a shooting star on the pop culture landscape -- Wrestling Society X did a lot in 30 minutes.
Gimmie 90 minutes, thanks.
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2 hours is perfect. 😊
Raw being 2-hours has been great but it's smackdown that's suffering why have it be a 3-hour show by 10:00 I'm asleep glad that's only temporary and it'll go back to 2-hours in june wrestling should never be 3-hours that's why raw sucked so bad because it was 3-hours at least raw on netflix has flexibility.
Is that true? 3 hour Smackdown is only until June? Really?
@@gothard5yes triple H confirmed that awhile ago glad that's happening because these 3-hour shows are sometimes i chore to get through.
My personal opinion? If possible, 1 hour TV shows and 2:30 PPVs.
1 hour is the perfect length.
90 minute tv.
2 and half hour ppvs.
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER have 2 DAY pay per views.
Streaming with no commercials - 2 hours and extra time for necessary ring setup for blah blah blah.
Shorter the better ⭐ 💥✨️🎉🎉❇️#eomreacts☪️🎉🎉✨️💥
Emoji spamming trash.
Tv shows with Jim
I thought that with Raw being streamed, Triple H would be able to sometimes have the show less than 2 hours, 2 hours or sometimes over 2 hours depending on how well the show is going and how well it's getting over with the audience. Gives him flexibility
silly silly brian. 😂 jim didn’t have the talent or the booking capabilities to produce a coherent 90 minute weekly program for SMW😂😂😂 so silly brian last.
Emoji spamming trash.
@ not even
Let's go back and make local news 15 minutes again. Other than the weather, it's just a bunch of fluff...
The more talent that WWE has that they actually want to put on tv every week, the longer Raw and Smackdown will be. That is why the shows are 2.5 to 3 hours long. I also heard rumors that some wrestlers were unhappy with Raw being 2 hours during the last 2 or 3 months of 2024 because they weren’t getting any TV time. If these rumors were true, then these wrestlers need to be fired.
No. Longer shows just means even more time of the same small group of people. More dead air with people just standing in the ring doing nothing for 10 minutes.
Podcast used to be really funny and entertaining. Why does he not talk about politics or controversial subjects anymore? I would much rather hear that than talk about the current Wrestling product
Jim has a sizable portion of his fan base that cries whenever this happens.
Adult men, crying about it.
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lol. he has lame political views i could watch cnn or msnbc
Sir, this is a wrestling podcast
I would much rather hear him talk about wrestling than politics even though I agree with a lot of his views. I come to this wrestling podcast to listen to Jim and Brian talk about wrestling and nothing else.