This is incredible! Your system is the reason I've stuck with Notion all these years and I'm so glad I did. I’m totally enjoying their constant improvements and growing ecosystem. Thanks for the walkthrough! Excited for your NLD launch!
That's so awesome to hear! Thank you for sharing that feedback - it means a lot to me to hear that it's been valuable in your life. Yes, we're very close with the new NLD, and it's going to be totally next level. Keep up the great work! Lots more to come.
@augustbradley in my humble opinion, and using PPV for years now, is that using formulas lends perfectly to generate meaningful reviews that otherwise would be difficult to do. Grouping certain metrics with let, mapping and filtering are all very powerful in this regard, and this is even more "visible" with yearly reviews imo ( looking forward to that end of year video by the way 🫠 )
As always August, you have delivered the clearest overview of the new features in Notion in such a concise and easy to follow video. Very well done August and much appreciated.
Thank you so much, Stephen. It means so much to hear this. It's also exciting to see this platform become more and more capable. I can see lots more to come on the horizon.
Thank you, August. It was beneficial. Yes, please even give us a detailed video on formulas and then another one on how to use formulas with automation. That would be fantastic.
Layouts and automations! Goodbye Fillout and maybe a little of Make and Zapier. More automations August. Is the new Mail functionality going to be inside Notion or a separate app like Calendar?
Right on! Totally agree, this is awesome. I hear you on the automations. Notion Mail is a separate app - a new app similar to how Notion Calendar is a separate app. Coming soon.
@@blacksheep_77 Yes. Forms, layouts, and the automation enhancements are rolling out to everyone in the next few days. You may not have it today, but you should have it by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. And you may have some of them already. Dive in and explore.
Great video August! I'm looking forward to the Mail app but I'm even more excited about the Forms, both as something for the external information assembling and the internal as you described. The Layouts need to grow on me first 🙂 Very excited about the release in 2025!
Absolutely, forms built in natively with such a simple, effortless design really make data collection and entry so much easier - whether from high volumes of outsiders or even from yourself. I'm totally with you on this. And I think once you give layouts a chance, you'll really like it. I think it's awesome.
Regarding the layouts Q: How the layouts work with database templates? Q: Can the layouts and templates combine or they are separate features working independently? What I am missing with layouts are the capabilities to layout the page as header section, page section, and footer section. In each section to have fields where we can show the property values. Basically , to have a layout that is like traditional paper page. For example, in the footer to put signed by or signed date. To layout the properties on the page and combine them with page content. There is a huge potential for layout improvement and hopefully it will come in next year. PS Thx August for another great features presentation video.
With templates, it works just like the current approach. So whatever the property layouts are, they're going to be the same for all templates. I agree there is room for expansion, and I suspect Notion will do more with full-page and footer layouts. Right now, you can't really put properties down lower in a page under other page content. But this is a move in that direction, as you can move properties lower in the property stack and have them isolated in their own grouping. It's a great step in that direction. You're right, there's more that can be done, and I suspect it will be. I really appreciate your feedback. Good thoughts here!
PPV related content. There are plenty of feature update videos. I'm more looking for the how to use those in a way that has an actual benefit and that in the PPV context which is about improving your quality of life, not just having cooler systems :)
Great video! I'm curious about the email feature and how the other servers read this email body built with the notion blocks. Looking forward to have my beta version soon!
I'm pretty sure that NotionMail writes those email blocks in the text editor just as HTML. So, they just look like normal HTML when coming into any other email app. They're not actually blocks - there's no six-dot handle or any of that block functionality - other than the ability to insert formatting like callouts, headers, and bullets. It just feels like blocks to you in NotionMail. You're going to have fun playing with it as soon as you get access!
Agreed! That's my favorite of the whole list. And as you start working with it, you see more and more opportunities to leverage it. The initial intro just scratches the surface. I would love to hear what you come up with using it.
These all look good and practical adds to the system. The one key feature I would love to see is the ability to Filter a Relation Property selection options by another Property's input. At present it just gives you all content of that property in the related DB. I only want to see selection options based on another Property I have already input.
I totally agree, that would be a really nice feature. I'm actually surprised we can't do that yet, but sometimes these things take time. I'm hoping we get that in the reasonably near future. Database relations are such a fundamental core component of any system, so sorting by that property would really open things up. Good feedback, thank you. Thank you!
Thanks so much for the video Bradley. Unfortunately, I'm not able to see forms or even the customise layouts on my notion. I've the plus plan of Notion too .
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days. The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion mail.
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days. The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion mail.
Form, Layouts, Automations ... Now reminds me of the best early versions of Filemaker Pro for the Soho market before Apple screwed it up and made it only for large businesses. This is now a complete ecosystem and the best tool for small operations.
Interesting comparison. I never used FileMaker, so I can't say, but it's interesting how patterns repeat themselves. I certainly agree this is becoming the most complete, versatile, and capable product suite for small businesses - and it just keeps getting better.
You can always ignore these and use Notion just as before. Layouts are not required, just an optional possibility as you get more comfortable with the core Notion functionality. But overall, I would agree - Notion is getting harder to learn. That's one of the reasons we launched a "How to Learn Notion" training (FastTrack Notion). For years, I had complaints that the RUclips videos were too advanced, and now it's even more complex to learn. So, I wanted to create a simpler onboard program for anyone. There's always a trade-off between capability and ease of use.
Do you know of a good way to start typing text in a Notion page but keeping multiple lines into 1 text block instead of Notion creating a new text block for each line of text? I use a workaround using a code block (JavaScript is the default), but that doesn't have spelling correcting and text formats among other things. I would really appreciate any tips. Thank you!!!
Aside from Notion Mail, they should all be rolling out in the next few days. Some of them might even be there now. Notion Mail is expected to be launched fully for everyone in 2025. So, lots of new features to dive into this week!
Regarding forms. Is it possible to create forms on the existing databases? It looks like this is a feature similar to TypeForm to create the surveys and collect data primarily, maybe I am wrong. Airtable has feature of input forms but it is possible to use on any table (table in Airtable is like Excel sheet with rows and columns ) to allow entering data easily through the form both externally and internally. Thx again August on awsome content ❤
The layouts don't work in wiki pages. Even worse, we can no longer reposition properties order in wiki pages. Love the feature but I really hope they bring it into wikis. It is kind of a miss in this regard, espcially since all my databases are wikis (clients, orders, invoices, etc.) and that it's not possible either to revert back to a page without losing all properties from the wiki. They should work on this. Great detailed video!
That is frustrating if we lost some of the wiki page flexibility. However, this is just the first iteration of layouts. There are definitely more expansions of these capabilities coming and already in development. Your approach of building everything into Wikis is a smart and sophisticated setup. So, I too would be disappointed if they introduced new functionality that didn't work there. One of the ideas of Wikis is that you can use it expansively, as you have. I have to think they're going to bring the capability fully into Wikis - it's just too important of a foundational element.
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I’d love to learn more about formulas and coding and how this could also enhance the PPV system. I’m not using automations yet, as I’m still building and integrating the PPV system into my life to a level that I really make use of the pro features. Your videos are a great inspiration and they help me to find and integrate new features! Keep up the good work 🙏
Thanks! I really appreciate the feedback. That's super helpful, and it makes me very happy to hear that it's been of value to you. Keep up the awesome work.
Thank you! I hugely appreciate that, Andrew. Massive congratulations on the brilliant product design and development with Notion Mail. Can't wait to see where this goes. 🚀
I have some forms that I need to give the link to outside users to have the ability to fill out. I don't want it public for everyone to see. Is there a way that I can give them access by just having the link without having to add them as invite only?
You can either make it public - but on a link that's hidden from SEO and hard to find. In fact, it's nearly impossible to find unless you send it to them. Or you can invite them by email as a guest to the page. Those are your two options.
Regarding Notion Mail What are the possibilities to use Notion Mail with Notion CRM system? I have seen that Monday can be setup as CRM system with email sending receiving capability of the CRM It would be fantastic to build Notion CRM system (which I have) and incorporate with Notion mail capabilities (which I wish to have). I hope you understand my thinking... 😃 Thx August on all replies on my questions. You rock 😍
In its current stage of pre-release development, it cannot do any of that. That's what I was talking about with contacts in the Notion mail app. Ideally, syncing with databases in your Notion system - that Notion database would be a CRM. I and others have sent this feedback to Notion, encouraging this, and I'm quite confident we'll get it eventually. The question is how soon and how close to the public launch? Only time will tell, but I agree with you - this is essential.
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days (Layouts, Forms, and Automations). The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion Mail.
super excited for offline mode though it’ll probably be sometime in the future, i’ve been sticking to notion as much as possible the past three years because of your ppv system. while i have managed to organise my entire life (basically) in notion, the multiple occasions of slow loading of databases, or connection issues really makes it a pain sometimes, to enter or even retrieve data. i’m currently switching between notion and obsidian in terms of creating personal notes, but for the rest of my entires in terms of my life are all done in notion. hopefully in time i can fully let go of other apps as i’ve never really liked having to manage with more than one app or system. (especially since im already paying for notion)
I hear you, and I agree. They didn't provide any specifics, but the Notion CEO did today mention that they are actively developing an offline mode and intend to release details about it early next year. It's not immediate, but it is happening. This is the first time it's been formally stated that it's definitely in development. So, this is huge progress. I'm with you, it's smuch needed.
Regarding the automation If you consider to make an automation video where important is to emphasize what is on free plan what is on paid plan. I belive it is a big question for many (me included) to decide whether to use Notion automation capabilities (on paid plan) or use external tool for automation (such as Make or Zappier). Again great video August, thx 😀
Yes, great point - that needs to be clearly defined as the various layout automation uses are presented. Generally, right now, button automations are free, but database automations need to be on a paid plan. As we do any demos, I'll be sure to keep that clear. Good feedback. Thank you!
Sort of. You can have them submit the form and have automations process outcomes as a reaction from that. You could have it sent using the new email actions functionality that was also just recently added to automations. But it would be a little bit clunky and somewhat limited. Though, to some degree, it is possible.
Hi August - can you assist me with this formula please? These are based on trying to calculate the date/time b/w 2 rollup properties. I have tried this: format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "hours")) + " hr " + format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "minutes") % 60) + " min" ERROR: Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [27,28] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateStart(). [41,42] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [93,94]
Good question. Not currently, however, I have heard the head of the Layouts product area say that this is just the first step, and there's a lot more coming with the layout capabilities. So, I do expect to see that at some point. My guess is they're going to extend the layout possibilities beyond just properties throughout the page and the footer - but that's just a guess at this point.
@@augustbradley Hi August - can you assist me with this formula please? These are based on trying to calculate the date/time b/w 2 rollup properties. I have tried this: format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "hours")) + " hr " + format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "minutes") % 60) + " min" ERROR: Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [27,28] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateStart(). [41,42] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [93,94]
They're rolling it out gradually to all the users over the next few days. Not everybody has it on day one, but you should have it within a few days. Hope this helps!
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days (Layouts, Forms, and Automations). The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion Mail.
In the current early stage of development, you cannot add more than one email account. However, I'm certain they're going to add the ability to have multiple email accounts. The question is whether they will have it by the time they launch it publicly. I would have to assume so, but I don't know that for sure.
Good comparison! Notion is becoming more and more expansive. They started with more flexibility and less of a specific point of view, which allowed for a wider range of possible uses. Google and Zoho began with a suite of apps that were all very specific. Now, Notion is filling in with those specific apps. It will be interesting to see where Notion ends up relative to those two models - it seems like Notion is trying to do the best of both at the moment.
hi bradly! yes, I would like to go deeper into formulas. also, how do I "send email" for "to do date: today"?. I would like to send a reminder the same day, no if I create an action for next month, the automation email is send a month prior that task priority
Thanks for another brilliant video. I know the features are still in their early stages and - IMHO - therefore slightly disappointing due to some missing key integrations features. Email (as you say) really needs full integration into core Notion. And although they might introduce it later, I rather fail to see the point of it without the integration. The Form feature feels even more of a half-baked release. Forms that do not have the ability to integrate into existing databases (incl. relationships drop-downs etc.) are just not really replacing any 3rd party form builders such as NoteForms that are already out there. It's limited and basic and sadly multiple steps behind existing tools rather than overtaking them and making them obsolete. I know this is all just early stages, but I keep feeling mildly underwhelmed by Notions recent "improvements" which increasingly hit below the mark at the point of release. Notion AI just being one more example.
Fair points on the pros and cons. However, Forms can be applied to existing databases. You do not need to start one from scratch - you can apply Forms to any database you already have in your workspace. I would say forms are a mid-tier level of functionality, but with a very simple, intuitive way of working and effortless integration into your databases. So, it is quite nice, but it doesn't replace the high-end form builders if you have more sophisticated needs.
The email product is interesting, the rest is just new makeup that looks very manual and can be reproduced (even optimized) by a very simple integration
You don't think Forms, Layouts, and Formulas in Automations are significant enhancements? All internal and perfectly integrated. External integrations are never the same, always have significant shortcomings in my experience. Layouts in particular can't be replicated externally. What would you most like to see implemented in Notion?
It's not available in the current stage of development, but I really think this is inevitable. There's no way it can be developed ultimately without that capability, and really, I think a lot more integration than just that. You should be able to select any of your knowledge management databases or tasks - or anywhere an email might be relevant. I'm very optimistic about this. Unlike the calendar, this is being built from the ground up entirely as a Notion app, so that's usually promising.
As a heavy Excel user I always found notion formulas illogical. I would love to see real applications for various scenarios to finally understand how they work
Ehh, ok. I've got too much to do as is let alone tinkering with layouts. That's a mini-rabbit hole. Email? Naa. On the surface these are nice but the constant complaint w/ power users is speed. The more they put into the software + the larger DBs get, the slower it runs. After I compared coda's formulas w/ notion, I don't bother w/ notion formulas anymore. Thanks for the updates August
Fair enough, they're just options. And we certainly live in a world of abundant options these days. When designing a system, you can set the layout for key databases once, set and forget, and then get back to work. It really doesn't take much time. But you're also right that a lot of people fall down the tinkering rabbit hole - and that's counterproductive as well. Sounds like you've got a good sense of awareness of where that line is for you. Totally respect that. Appreciate the feedback!
@@augustbradley I agree now w/ your thought about setting the layout a little here and there and moving on. I like how one can do that in obsidian & tana so anything similar-ish to that is helpful. I think too much fiddling is where so many ppl have trouble w/ notion, obsidian, etc. A plethora of plugins and they're so customizable. I've been using PPV for almost 4 yrs now and stay away from tinkering w/ it too much
Good Video but it was very hard to see what you were clicking on and what you were doing with the black back ground on your screen, I like to click along but with the black it seemed all blurred and I hope in the course you move slower, for me it was all moving to fast. Thanks for the content
Thanks! All my RUclips videos are 4K resolution in the very highest detail level possible - it sounds like your auto-quality resolution setting was set too low by RUclips (you an over-ride this manually). Nothing is blurred if it's set to a high resolution in your video player. Just go into your video player settings in the lower right corner (the sprocket icon), and change the quality settings to the highest level - screenshot here: cln.sh/z1B4fQ5S . Dark mode vs light mode background does not affect sharpness. Hope that helps! And yes, we go much slower in shorter, more topic-focused steps in the courses. The course videos have very high resolution and are recorded on highe-end (high bit-rate) cameras & screen recorders.
I agree with you on both Layouts, and on Notion Mail needing integrations to become usable in my workflow. We're on the same page here. Good feedback. Thank you!
Notion leadership and product development is certainly further out pushing AI than the general user base. Will be interesting to see if the user base catches up to the vision. Notion AI is certainly not essential at this stage, but it can be helpful.
I think it's a nice, elegant experience. However, it doesn't have any real features that set it apart at the moment. I think that's coming - perhaps a little slower than we would like, but I believe it's coming with much deeper and more thoughtful integration with the Notion core app.
Fair enough, not everything is for everybody. I personally think these are some fantastic expansions, but I totally respect that it doesn't really move the needle for all workflows or all styles of working. What would you find most interesting and exciting for Notion to add?
This is incredible! Your system is the reason I've stuck with Notion all these years and I'm so glad I did. I’m totally enjoying their constant improvements and growing ecosystem. Thanks for the walkthrough! Excited for your NLD launch!
That's so awesome to hear! Thank you for sharing that feedback - it means a lot to me to hear that it's been valuable in your life.
Yes, we're very close with the new NLD, and it's going to be totally next level. Keep up the great work! Lots more to come.
I'd love an extensive video on new actions with formulas.
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. Looking into it.
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Me too!
I would love to see an indepth video on formulas! Especially in how it could fit in the PPV universe 🙂
Awesome, thanks for the feedback! I'm thinking about possibilities regarding this.
@augustbradley in my humble opinion, and using PPV for years now, is that using formulas lends perfectly to generate meaningful reviews that otherwise would be difficult to do. Grouping certain metrics with let, mapping and filtering are all very powerful in this regard, and this is even more "visible" with yearly reviews imo ( looking forward to that end of year video by the way 🫠 )
As always August, you have delivered the clearest overview of the new features in Notion in such a concise and easy to follow video. Very well done August and much appreciated.
Thank you so much, Stephen. It means so much to hear this. It's also exciting to see this platform become more and more capable. I can see lots more to come on the horizon.
I have been refreshing RUclips way too much in anticipation of this video!
It's here! Had to wait until the Keynote ended.
Layouts is soooo dope and exciting for me. This is something I was literally last week saying I needed badly.
It's really very cool and helps take Notion to the next level of being a personal app development platform.
Thank you, August. It was beneficial. Yes, please even give us a detailed video on formulas and then another one on how to use formulas with automation. That would be fantastic.
I really appreciate the feedback! That's super helpful. I'm thinking about some ideas on this.
Yes automations & formulas!
I appreciate the feedback - looking into it.
I've been looking for a decent explanation on new layout feature. This was it. Thank you for your work.
That's awesome to hear! Thank you for the feedback. I'm really happy that helped make it click.
Yes please! Would love to see a video about automation formulas! 🙌✨
Awesome, I appreciate the feedback. I'm thinking about what angle to take on this.
Layouts and automations! Goodbye Fillout and maybe a little of Make and Zapier.
More automations August.
Is the new Mail functionality going to be inside Notion or a separate app like Calendar?
Right on! Totally agree, this is awesome. I hear you on the automations. Notion Mail is a separate app - a new app similar to how Notion Calendar is a separate app. Coming soon.
@@augustbradley what?! I mis-heard you...Notion released everything today but the Mail app! We get all that goodness right now!
@@blacksheep_77 Yes. Forms, layouts, and the automation enhancements are rolling out to everyone in the next few days. You may not have it today, but you should have it by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. And you may have some of them already. Dive in and explore.
Mind Blown, .... spinning on how to apply layouts to my PPV
So many possibilities, right?! We can get even more creative now. Exciting times.
Thank you, and thank you for your enthousiasm
Awesome, I'm glad you liked it. I really appreciate the feedback!
Oh I am immediately on board.
Excellent! You're going to love it when you get your hands on these. You should be rolling them all out in the next few days - except for Notion Mail.
Great video August! I'm looking forward to the Mail app but I'm even more excited about the Forms, both as something for the external information assembling and the internal as you described. The Layouts need to grow on me first 🙂 Very excited about the release in 2025!
Absolutely, forms built in natively with such a simple, effortless design really make data collection and entry so much easier - whether from high volumes of outsiders or even from yourself. I'm totally with you on this. And I think once you give layouts a chance, you'll really like it. I think it's awesome.
My task list says I have to comment on this video.
Sounds like a well-designed task list.
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So excited for all these new features, especially email!
A super interesting expansion, isn't it!
Regarding the layouts
Q: How the layouts work with database templates?
Q: Can the layouts and templates combine or they are separate features working independently?
What I am missing with layouts are the capabilities to layout the page as header section, page section, and footer section. In each section to have fields where we can show the property values. Basically , to have a layout that is like traditional paper page. For example, in the footer to put signed by or signed date. To layout the properties on the page and combine them with page content.
There is a huge potential for layout improvement and hopefully it will come in next year.
PS Thx August for another great features presentation video.
With templates, it works just like the current approach. So whatever the property layouts are, they're going to be the same for all templates. I agree there is room for expansion, and I suspect Notion will do more with full-page and footer layouts. Right now, you can't really put properties down lower in a page under other page content. But this is a move in that direction, as you can move properties lower in the property stack and have them isolated in their own grouping. It's a great step in that direction.
You're right, there's more that can be done, and I suspect it will be. I really appreciate your feedback. Good thoughts here!
PPV related content. There are plenty of feature update videos. I'm more looking for the how to use those in a way that has an actual benefit and that in the PPV context which is about improving your quality of life, not just having cooler systems :)
Great suggestions, I absolutely agree!
👍👍Automations & Formulas
Great, thanks for the feedback! That's helpful.
Great video! I'm curious about the email feature and how the other servers read this email body built with the notion blocks. Looking forward to have my beta version soon!
I'm pretty sure that NotionMail writes those email blocks in the text editor just as HTML. So, they just look like normal HTML when coming into any other email app. They're not actually blocks - there's no six-dot handle or any of that block functionality - other than the ability to insert formatting like callouts, headers, and bullets. It just feels like blocks to you in NotionMail. You're going to have fun playing with it as soon as you get access!
OK, custom layouts seem very cool! I can already see several places where I could use them in my system.
Agreed! That's my favorite of the whole list. And as you start working with it, you see more and more opportunities to leverage it. The initial intro just scratches the surface. I would love to hear what you come up with using it.
These all look good and practical adds to the system. The one key feature I would love to see is the ability to Filter a Relation Property selection options by another Property's input. At present it just gives you all content of that property in the related DB. I only want to see selection options based on another Property I have already input.
I totally agree, that would be a really nice feature. I'm actually surprised we can't do that yet, but sometimes these things take time. I'm hoping we get that in the reasonably near future. Database relations are such a fundamental core component of any system, so sorting by that property would really open things up. Good feedback, thank you. Thank you!
Very exciting! To clarify with forms, does it always have to create a new database or can I create a form that adds entries to an existing database?
Yes, you can have it added to an existing database. Either approach works. It's really quite flexible.
@@augustbradley Thanks August! I've been waiting for this along with the formula automations for so long 👏
Thanks so much for the video Bradley. Unfortunately, I'm not able to see forms or even the customise layouts on my notion. I've the plus plan of Notion too .
same
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days. The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion mail.
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days. The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion mail.
@@augustbradley Thank you so much for that information! Very much appreciated!
Thanks for the overview. Top one for me is the formulas in automations
Nice call - that's a sophisticated choice!
@@augustbradley looking forward to that video you mentioned 😎
Form, Layouts, Automations ... Now reminds me of the best early versions of Filemaker Pro for the Soho market before Apple screwed it up and made it only for large businesses. This is now a complete ecosystem and the best tool for small operations.
Interesting comparison. I never used FileMaker, so I can't say, but it's interesting how patterns repeat themselves. I certainly agree this is becoming the most complete, versatile, and capable product suite for small businesses - and it just keeps getting better.
I am exited for layouts, BUT is that making more complicated to use notion? as a beginner or intermidiate
You can always ignore these and use Notion just as before. Layouts are not required, just an optional possibility as you get more comfortable with the core Notion functionality. But overall, I would agree - Notion is getting harder to learn. That's one of the reasons we launched a "How to Learn Notion" training (FastTrack Notion). For years, I had complaints that the RUclips videos were too advanced, and now it's even more complex to learn. So, I wanted to create a simpler onboard program for anyone. There's always a trade-off between capability and ease of use.
Do you know of a good way to start typing text in a Notion page but keeping multiple lines into 1 text block instead of Notion creating a new text block for each line of text? I use a workaround using a code block (JavaScript is the default), but that doesn't have spelling correcting and text formats among other things. I would really appreciate any tips. Thank you!!!
Yes, just hold Shift when hitting Enter for the line breaks. It will keep you in the same block.
Amazing video! Do you know when those features are available for everyone?
Aside from Notion Mail, they should all be rolling out in the next few days. Some of them might even be there now. Notion Mail is expected to be launched fully for everyone in 2025. So, lots of new features to dive into this week!
Great recap! And would also love a deep dive on formulas in automations. New videos are looking great btw!
Thanks, David! Appreciate the feedback. Great to see you here. Your videos are looking great as well. It's an awesome time to be in Notion World.
Regarding forms.
Is it possible to create forms on the existing databases?
It looks like this is a feature similar to TypeForm to create the surveys and collect data primarily, maybe I am wrong.
Airtable has feature of input forms but it is possible to use on any table (table in Airtable is like Excel sheet with rows and columns ) to allow entering data easily through the form both externally and internally.
Thx again August on awsome content ❤
Yes, you can create forms on existing databases or create new ones. It's quite flexible.
The layouts don't work in wiki pages. Even worse, we can no longer reposition properties order in wiki pages. Love the feature but I really hope they bring it into wikis. It is kind of a miss in this regard, espcially since all my databases are wikis (clients, orders, invoices, etc.) and that it's not possible either to revert back to a page without losing all properties from the wiki. They should work on this. Great detailed video!
That is frustrating if we lost some of the wiki page flexibility. However, this is just the first iteration of layouts. There are definitely more expansions of these capabilities coming and already in development.
Your approach of building everything into Wikis is a smart and sophisticated setup. So, I too would be disappointed if they introduced new functionality that didn't work there. One of the ideas of Wikis is that you can use it expansively, as you have. I have to think they're going to bring the capability fully into Wikis - it's just too important of a foundational element.
I’d love to learn more about formulas and coding and how this could also enhance the PPV system.
I’m not using automations yet, as I’m still building and integrating the PPV system into my life to a level that I really make use of the pro features.
Your videos are a great inspiration and they help me to find and integrate new features! Keep up the good work 🙏
Thanks! I really appreciate the feedback. That's super helpful, and it makes me very happy to hear that it's been of value to you. Keep up the awesome work.
Hey August, I would find your take on formulas in a System Design POV very insightful! Please do that!
Thanks for the feedback - I'm looking into it!
Awesome video!!
Thank you! I hugely appreciate that, Andrew. Massive congratulations on the brilliant product design and development with Notion Mail. Can't wait to see where this goes. 🚀
I have some forms that I need to give the link to outside users to have the ability to fill out. I don't want it public for everyone to see. Is there a way that I can give them access by just having the link without having to add them as invite only?
You can either make it public - but on a link that's hidden from SEO and hard to find. In fact, it's nearly impossible to find unless you send it to them. Or you can invite them by email as a guest to the page. Those are your two options.
Regarding Notion Mail
What are the possibilities to use Notion Mail with Notion CRM system?
I have seen that Monday can be setup as CRM system with email sending receiving capability of the CRM
It would be fantastic to build Notion CRM system (which I have) and incorporate with Notion mail capabilities (which I wish to have). I hope you understand my thinking... 😃
Thx August on all replies on my questions. You rock 😍
In its current stage of pre-release development, it cannot do any of that. That's what I was talking about with contacts in the Notion mail app. Ideally, syncing with databases in your Notion system - that Notion database would be a CRM. I and others have sent this feedback to Notion, encouraging this, and I'm quite confident we'll get it eventually. The question is how soon and how close to the public launch? Only time will tell, but I agree with you - this is essential.
@@augustbradley Thx power to you and other proposing this to Notion...👍
Can we get access to these new features now or wait to be accepted in beta?
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days (Layouts, Forms, and Automations). The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion Mail.
@@augustbradley I'd love to see Notion Mail roll out soon!
August I would love for you to take a deep dive into formulas.
Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it. I'm thinking about how to do this.
super excited for offline mode though it’ll probably be sometime in the future, i’ve been sticking to notion as much as possible the past three years because of your ppv system.
while i have managed to organise my entire life (basically) in notion, the multiple occasions of slow loading of databases, or connection issues really makes it a pain sometimes, to enter or even retrieve data.
i’m currently switching between notion and obsidian in terms of creating personal notes, but for the rest of my entires in terms of my life are all done in notion.
hopefully in time i can fully let go of other apps as i’ve never really liked having to manage with more than one app or system. (especially since im already paying for notion)
I hear you, and I agree. They didn't provide any specifics, but the Notion CEO did today mention that they are actively developing an offline mode and intend to release details about it early next year. It's not immediate, but it is happening. This is the first time it's been formally stated that it's definitely in development. So, this is huge progress. I'm with you, it's smuch needed.
Regarding the automation
If you consider to make an automation video where important is to emphasize what is on free plan what is on paid plan.
I belive it is a big question for many (me included) to decide whether to use Notion automation capabilities (on paid plan) or use external tool for automation (such as Make or Zappier).
Again great video August, thx 😀
Yes, great point - that needs to be clearly defined as the various layout automation uses are presented. Generally, right now, button automations are free, but database automations need to be on a paid plan. As we do any demos, I'll be sure to keep that clear. Good feedback. Thank you!
@@augustbradley Looking forward to more of your content soon
Formula follow up would be awesome!
Thanks for the feedback - I'm Looking into it!
Could the form work as a quiz, where someone gets a customised output depending on their inputs?
Sort of. You can have them submit the form and have automations process outcomes as a reaction from that. You could have it sent using the new email actions functionality that was also just recently added to automations. But it would be a little bit clunky and somewhat limited. Though, to some degree, it is possible.
@augustbradley - can you tell me if with charts you can display them in layouts? I don't see this is possible.... can you?
Hi August - can you assist me with this formula please? These are based on trying to calculate the date/time b/w 2 rollup properties. I have tried this: format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "hours")) + " hr " + format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "minutes") % 60) + " min"
ERROR: Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [27,28] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateStart(). [41,42] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [93,94]
Good question. Not currently, however, I have heard the head of the Layouts product area say that this is just the first step, and there's a lot more coming with the layout capabilities. So, I do expect to see that at some point. My guess is they're going to extend the layout possibilities beyond just properties throughout the page and the footer - but that's just a guess at this point.
@@augustbradley amazing!
@@augustbradley Hi August - can you assist me with this formula please? These are based on trying to calculate the date/time b/w 2 rollup properties. I have tried this: format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "hours")) + " hr " + format(dateBetween(dateEnd(End), dateStart(Start), "minutes") % 60) + " min"
ERROR: Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [27,28] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateStart(). [41,42] Argument of type array does not satisfy function dateEnd(). [93,94]
I must be loosing my mind. Online says forms is available to use but I don't use it as an option despite having updated to the latest version
They're rolling it out gradually to all the users over the next few days. Not everybody has it on day one, but you should have it within a few days. Hope this helps!
When will these features be released?
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days (Layouts, Forms, and Automations). The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion Mail.
Notion Mail just slaughtered SuperHuman and Shortwave in one day! Amazing. Can't wait to use it.
There's a new sharpshooter in town for sure. It's only just begun. Can't wait to see where this goes!
Hi I can not see this option on any of tables ,not sure why ,
They're rolling it out to everyone over the next few days. It should be there by early next week at the latest.
@@augustbradley Thanks ,Looking forward to your news NLD version
Can we add more than one email accounts in Notion Mail?
In the current early stage of development, you cannot add more than one email account. However, I'm certain they're going to add the ability to have multiple email accounts. The question is whether they will have it by the time they launch it publicly. I would have to assume so, but I don't know that for sure.
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Thank you! I will work hard to make it worthwhile.
I like the fact they are a mini Google / Zoho
Good comparison! Notion is becoming more and more expansive. They started with more flexibility and less of a specific point of view, which allowed for a wider range of possible uses. Google and Zoho began with a suite of apps that were all very specific. Now, Notion is filling in with those specific apps. It will be interesting to see where Notion ends up relative to those two models - it seems like Notion is trying to do the best of both at the moment.
@@augustbradley honestly more companies should do it, personally I don’t know why Zoho doesn’t have their own computer yet
hi bradly! yes, I would like to go deeper into formulas.
also, how do I "send email" for "to do date: today"?. I would like to send a reminder the same day, no if I create an action for next month, the automation email is send a month prior that task priority
Now they’re competing with Smartsheet with the forms and automation.
There's becoming more and more overlap across different apps. This is a step in that direction.
notion mail is only a client app, right? it has nothing to do with a notion email provider?
That's correct, at the outset. Though there is discussion of a native Notion email option down the road.
Thanks for another brilliant video.
I know the features are still in their early stages and - IMHO - therefore slightly disappointing due to some missing key integrations features. Email (as you say) really needs full integration into core Notion. And although they might introduce it later, I rather fail to see the point of it without the integration. The Form feature feels even more of a half-baked release. Forms that do not have the ability to integrate into existing databases (incl. relationships drop-downs etc.) are just not really replacing any 3rd party form builders such as NoteForms that are already out there. It's limited and basic and sadly multiple steps behind existing tools rather than overtaking them and making them obsolete.
I know this is all just early stages, but I keep feeling mildly underwhelmed by Notions recent "improvements" which increasingly hit below the mark at the point of release. Notion AI just being one more example.
Fair points on the pros and cons. However, Forms can be applied to existing databases. You do not need to start one from scratch - you can apply Forms to any database you already have in your workspace. I would say forms are a mid-tier level of functionality, but with a very simple, intuitive way of working and effortless integration into your databases. So, it is quite nice, but it doesn't replace the high-end form builders if you have more sophisticated needs.
The email product is interesting, the rest is just new makeup that looks very manual and can be reproduced (even optimized) by a very simple integration
You don't think Forms, Layouts, and Formulas in Automations are significant enhancements? All internal and perfectly integrated. External integrations are never the same, always have significant shortcomings in my experience. Layouts in particular can't be replicated externally. What would you most like to see implemented in Notion?
Fuck it would be so cool if I could email something to a database. I hope the integrate this better with notion than with cal
It's not available in the current stage of development, but I really think this is inevitable. There's no way it can be developed ultimately without that capability, and really, I think a lot more integration than just that. You should be able to select any of your knowledge management databases or tasks - or anywhere an email might be relevant.
I'm very optimistic about this. Unlike the calendar, this is being built from the ground up entirely as a Notion app, so that's usually promising.
@@augustbradley yeah I think it’s ‘get everyone using them’ then ‘sync them all together’
But I’m excited about that Gmail send feature!
About Notion mail: "This feel very Notion". I don't see any differences vs gmail
I see extensive differences. And this is just the early beta stage.
THEY HAVE INBOX ZERO MODE???
That is one of the three default setup options. Lots of innovations!
As a heavy Excel user I always found notion formulas illogical. I would love to see real applications for various scenarios to finally understand how they work
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. I have to agree - I think the Excel formulas are far more logical and intuitive.
Ehh, ok. I've got too much to do as is let alone tinkering with layouts. That's a mini-rabbit hole. Email? Naa. On the surface these are nice but the constant complaint w/ power users is speed. The more they put into the software + the larger DBs get, the slower it runs. After I compared coda's formulas w/ notion, I don't bother w/ notion formulas anymore. Thanks for the updates August
Fair enough, they're just options. And we certainly live in a world of abundant options these days. When designing a system, you can set the layout for key databases once, set and forget, and then get back to work. It really doesn't take much time. But you're also right that a lot of people fall down the tinkering rabbit hole - and that's counterproductive as well.
Sounds like you've got a good sense of awareness of where that line is for you. Totally respect that. Appreciate the feedback!
@@augustbradley I agree now w/ your thought about setting the layout a little here and there and moving on. I like how one can do that in obsidian & tana so anything similar-ish to that is helpful.
I think too much fiddling is where so many ppl have trouble w/ notion, obsidian, etc. A plethora of plugins and they're so customizable. I've been using PPV for almost 4 yrs now and stay away from tinkering w/ it too much
Good Video but it was very hard to see what you were clicking on and what you were doing with the black back ground on your screen, I like to click along but with the black it seemed all blurred and I hope in the course you move slower, for me it was all moving to fast. Thanks for the content
Thanks! All my RUclips videos are 4K resolution in the very highest detail level possible - it sounds like your auto-quality resolution setting was set too low by RUclips (you an over-ride this manually). Nothing is blurred if it's set to a high resolution in your video player.
Just go into your video player settings in the lower right corner (the sprocket icon), and change the quality settings to the highest level - screenshot here: cln.sh/z1B4fQ5S . Dark mode vs light mode background does not affect sharpness. Hope that helps!
And yes, we go much slower in shorter, more topic-focused steps in the courses. The course videos have very high resolution and are recorded on highe-end (high bit-rate) cameras & screen recorders.
Layouts is the killer new feature. Until Mail gets real integration, it's not that interesting. I already have more than 1 email client that I love.
I agree with you on both Layouts, and on Notion Mail needing integrations to become usable in my workflow. We're on the same page here. Good feedback. Thank you!
I just wish they didn't push AI so much and the $10/month charge.
Notion leadership and product development is certainly further out pushing AI than the general user base. Will be interesting to see if the user base catches up to the vision. Notion AI is certainly not essential at this stage, but it can be helpful.
The calendar app is boring right now
I think it's a nice, elegant experience. However, it doesn't have any real features that set it apart at the moment. I think that's coming - perhaps a little slower than we would like, but I believe it's coming with much deeper and more thoughtful integration with the Notion core app.
Personally, I don't find any of this even remotely interesting, hopefully other will find it more useful than I do.
Fair enough, not everything is for everybody. I personally think these are some fantastic expansions, but I totally respect that it doesn't really move the needle for all workflows or all styles of working. What would you find most interesting and exciting for Notion to add?
@@augustbradley yea, all the best to those that do find them useful, just not for me, personally