Why does Abdullah try to take away the attention from the persecution of Middle Eastern Christians? There are plenty of discussions on Islamophobia, but this one in particular was about Christian persecution and he barely acknowledged it. Good on Nikki for attempting to keep the topic on MENA Christians.
I suppose that because he’s on a world stage, he wants to divert the conversation to his chosen topics. Most people with passionate beliefs are like that.
The Christian you talk about are presented by secular national states installed by the emperial west not a single islamic nation exist in the world today so to blame it on islam is wrong
@@brotherben4357 He's an Islamist. Abullah considers the eradication of Christians and other non-Muslims from the middle east to be a worthwhile goal, which is why he tries to deflect attention from it.
Flirting has been part of British culture for hundreds of years at least! How many of us began our relationships with our partners by flirting? I can't believe this is even being asked! Too many people are too quick to claim harassment. The word is losing it's meaning.
I don't think it was muslims who pushed for the legislation/government guidance to be introduced in employment. Do you have any evidence it was muslims? The programme discusses flirting 'in the workplace'. Nobody is advocating banning flirting outside of work lol.
“Brushing a woman’s knee” is a reference to the Conservative politician who lost his job when the “Me Too” movement was first ramping-up because he touched Julia Hartley Brewers knee YEARS earlier. She thought that the whole drama was ludicrous! She did NOT think that it even deserved mentioning! She is a highly successful, intelligent & strong woman in a predominantly male industry. It was pure politics & exemplifies the negative side of the easily abused Me Too movement. “Innocent until proven guilty” is a founding principle of our culture. “Believe all women” directly opposes that principle! Note : To my knowledge, no Muslim women were involved in the “Me Too” movement. Other than the fact that there are some Muslim guests (there predominantly for the 2nd question) in the audience, what on earth does a critique of Islamic culture have to do with this, very Western ‘Woke’ subject??!?
Dan Lucas If you live in Britain that’s not really an issue. Muslim women are a small % of the British population & only a tiny % of that small number wear the veil. Do you actually know any veiled women? Do you have a secret crush on a Muslim coworker? If so, maybe you should just offer to get her a cup of coffee or tea & hopefully you’ll get into conversation... ☺️
Abdullah raised good point to modern women, is be consistent, either ban flirting if you feel harrassed and make all flirting criminalised, as he digged hole in their irony she started saying no.
I've got Dysexecutive Syndrome and therefore don't "get" social ettiquete. Sometimes I'm just being nice and it accidentally offends someone. People need to understand that if we live in a free liberal society we will get offended sometimes. I said Hi to a girl at the gym. She was new and struggling with a machine. I introduced myself and said "If you ever want a hand just let me know." I was being helpful. Next week her boyfriend appears at the gym and says that if I keep making sexual advances he will take me outside...
as a woman let me explain, it's partly because men are more visually-stimulated than women. Relating to: in public, men find more women physically attractive, women find less men physically attractive. Women just don't find as many men attractive. And they're sure that a guy will approach them instead - so they don't try anything other than look good and go to wherever men might be. I'm sorry, but it's true.
Most women flirt in very different ways to men, it’s more subtle. In my experience most men don’t approach women until they’ve received a visual hint...catching his eye, smiling, flicking hair etc 😊
That first segment was entirely pointless! Everyone agrees that flirting is okay and everyone agrees that sexual harassment is definitely not okay. They're arguing because their on different sides of the room, not because they're on different sides of the issue.
Yes, it’s annoying as hell, but poor Nicky loves the sound of his own voice, and voicing his own opinion. He does it on all his shows, but I suppose it’s his show.
For once, Abdullah actually made a half-sensible point. When he was going on about Victorian times, I think what he was saying was that, in that period, there were set rules and customs surrounding courtship. There was not the ambivalence that might exist today. These customs made it clear to both parties what the intentions were, and people could act accordingly. The same goes for modern Islam, in which courtship is a regimented thing, not something that happens on the fly, potentially with one party not even knowing that's what's occuring
@@attiylanen islam doesn’t look bad therefore western societies are trying so hard to make it look bad but it is having opposite effect lots of people are converting to islam . So what you saying is bs and coming out of ignorance. Islam is a threat to western devilish society therefore they are trying very hard to convince people it is bad lol which is failing.
Hi Mo it’s nick from the bbc ,, we’re gunna be telling the locals how Islam is as peaceful as a vicar on Valium and anyone who disagrees is hitlers lost moustache , we’ve reserved your seat and we promise to agree with anything you say Bye Mo ,, xxxx
Yes, Christians should get priority in Britain and other European countries in the same way India now gives prority to the non-Muslims immigrants, legal or illegal, to their applications for citizenship. Muslims should go any of the Muslim countries. Muslims should not stay in India when the British gave them Pakistan in 1947. Is it not possible for Britain, Germany, France and other European countries to expel all Pakistani-Bangladeshis-Somali-Turks from their countries???
Flirting thing, first i herd about law changes and what not. Flirting is flirting. Theres a difference between "You're looking great today, I was wondering if you would like to go for coffee or a drink after work" and "Come on lets go for a drink! You you want to... come on let just go out, you love it, come on, come on...." One is flirting the other is harrasment. Neither require laws cause both should be delt with by each party or the boss should complaints be made. Now there has to be laws against prolonged harrasment.
Growing up, I used to feel so sorry for Muslims and I had this notion that they were all being forced to be that way. But now that I've grown up and witnessed the tragedies the West has faced at the hands of these 'oppressed' people, I feel no semblance of sympathy. Because at the end of the day, you can bring in a Muslim refugee yet he'll still follow and spread the very same ideals and beliefs he was running from.
@@MrRebel247 so they ran from an Islamic country to a Western imperialistic country to escape from the effects of Western imperialism. What a load of lefty appeasment Tosh.
Understandably anecdotal, but I work in the service industry and I met my fiancé at work. I’ve seen all of the above, if anyone senses harassment they are quickly outed or confronted because it’s not an acceptable behaviour. What is way more common is flirtation from women then accusing them of harassment. Guys can tell if you’re uncomfortable so won’t persist. The exceptions like I said are outed.
How does one verify or falsify the claim that "the workplace is the safest place for flirting"? This is not a scientific claim, if science claims are needed to be determined true or false
I have aspergers syndrome & social cues & body language are incredibly confusing. Very thankful I'm married so I don't have to navigate that confusing world any more.
And now Imran Khan has given in to the religious fanatics. The West has not bombed Sudan, Eritrea, Ehtiopia, Nigeria, or Yemen. They will still be blaming the West in 200 years.
If they become unfomfortable... Just say it then, and a respective man should say its fine and talk about something else or walk away, its as simple as that. People cant be THAT sensible??
I liked how this Pakistani lady called this Muslim guy insecure. He is all the time in a defensive mode. Yeah, blame the blasphemy law in Pakistan on English colonialism. If blasphemy is an English problem, why there is no blasphemy law in England then?
It's all about who you are and what you look like. All the things that they so call detest and want to modify. Give me a break, I'm away to graduate from university. I don't have money and all the stress has added 20 years to my brain 😂sorry.
No. If a woman is making a man feel uncomfortable and is crossing a line into harassment it is just as bad. Nobody should be sexually harassed and men should be encouraged to speak out too if a predatory woman is being a creep.
I hate being flirted with. If the intention is to find a romantic partner , earn their trust through friendship first ... because you're not entitled to a romantic context in the first place ... very inappropriate ..especially if I'm clearly not comfortable with you or know u from a hole in the wall ??
@Milorad Petkovic It is mentioned as sign of Almighty Allah. In beginning of 7th century when the telescope was not invented, how any one can say that the universe is expending!? Do you say that Edwin Hubble discovered it with no telescope? Without telescope he can't observe. Who can tell with no telescope. Only the expander. Further study and research left for the coming researchers to explain it.
yea I agree there - he wasn't saying women were better in older times because they knew their place he was saying conservative morals are in some case better then liberal ones.
B A I get the opposite impression. Abdullah seems like he is closed off from society and is happy to live in his own little bubble. He has no understanding of why people regularly take offence to his comments. He may be "educated" but I certainly wouldn't say he was intelligent. Nicki does a good job of encouraging the debate and calls Abdullah out on his potentially offensive comments.
Logical Thinker what are you? A liberal? Many Muslims think this way it’s normal. The only people living in a bubble are the neo conservative types who can’t see difference for what it is.
B A what kind of question is "what are you?" Don't even know how to answer that. I know a lot of muslims may think "this way" but that doesn't mean it isn't offensive to some. There are always going to be differences but that doesn't mean we cannot be tolerant of others. I personally find Islam vile and disgusting but I have absolutely nothing against muslims who feel differently than I do.
Logical Thinker good. You can think that. It’s when you start abusing people and attacking them for their beliefs is when you become an enemy of Islam and it’s followers. Treat others how you wish to be treated.
Judging what men would be as predatory or not can lead to profiling, whether racial, Disability, etc. So it's best to push clearly defined terms that no one is to engage in sexual speech if the person doesn't ok the conversation. In college, men and women are told that if people don't say yes to the "flirtatious" behavior, then it crosses the line. To profile men as potential predators as problematic. It seems problematic that people would rationalize or seem to ostensibly defend the freedom to do whatever one wants without the consent of the other. Freedom without other's people consent is not freedom. Freedom requires consent from other people. Sexual language and flirting that is not invited by people is sexual harrassment.
The only thing we have to learn is to listen when a person say no! Is it really so hard???? We have all different boundaries - and that should be ok. We just have to learn not to be offended, but learn to say no - and be heard!
In Shariya law , First look is permitted,enen though women wear burq , Men get nerves at first approache ,they do some time wrong thing, Me too want nobody ,they just want to isolate from world, How someone know that other person is a crush me , I think sign language should be use,
Christian persecution is because of the negative image of the missionaries. People hate them and they keep appearing in countries and start forcing their religion out of context. And due to the negative history of Christian missionaries in Western colonial history.
Well said bro. After Manchester attack in 2017 Muslims across Manchester city came out and protested and but rt news channel gave coverage to that but BBC didn't.
Why does the Muslim guy try to take away the attention from the persecution of Middle Eastern Christians? There are plenty of forums about Islamophobia, but this one in particular was about Christian persecution and he practically didn’t even acknowledge it.
@@sagirashraf2790 Living peacefully as dhimmi, 2nd class citizens, not allowed to proselytize their religion in public. Todays Christians are the most discriminated group in the world. Thanks to muslims.
How the fuck are we supposed to show that we are interested in our subject of interest without showing that through flirting?Are we just supposed to go up to the person and say I like you face up and hope for a proper reply?
What kind of a journalist is stumped by the simple task of speaking out, one, syntactically and grammatically correct sentence? The blond with the accent.
Christians are the most persecuted. I am not one, she simply stated a fact. At no point did she say Muslims are not, quite the opposite. So this I need to be a victim stance was ridiculous. More black people are shot black people are shot unarmed than white people in the USA. That does not mean it has not happened to a white person. This whatabouttery literally shuts down conversation. I am afraid that Muslim man let himself down. Nobody was saying that Muslims are not suffering as well. Why do some people NEED to be victims? All he does with that debate style is give the right wingers who do not like Muslims leverage, as he is not prepared to talk about the facts.
The best policy is to avoid talking to women unless necessary. When you talk, don't be too soft. Be clear and concise. Also, never be alone with a woman.
Do not like the second question at all. As a reasonable, sensible human being, this form of harassment which of course can go either way should not be banned I do not think. However, if he/she controls human being, older, younger or same age, he/she should face the consequences for it and if he/she is letting him/herself down, if the company does not do something about this within a reasonable time frame i.e fourteen days, failure on the company for not complying this horrible and humiliating issue. If I was a barrister or any legal occupation, yes punishment on the employer or employee for taking advantage of him/her but on the same wavelength, the company should face damages for failing to comply within fourteen days. I am looking at it in a sense of fairness on the whole picture.
Angela mentioned about predatory women. They exist but it is not just the perpetrators, male and female, society as a whole including myself need to take a little bit more responsibility, helping the next wave of individuals feel a sense of self esteem as well as themselves. I must have met so many individuals going all the way back to primary school in my case thirty years. I have had good and bad experiences but you can learn from them, improving yourself, self confidence wise. Starts with the individual first, building up confidence, self esteem then the human interaction, school, work, on the busy streets, etc, getting to know them, likes, dislikes, basic human interaction. I sense that there is a real fear in this audience.
Abdullah intentionally want to distract the attention to something else......do not want to let Nikki focus on Christians persecution specially in Pakistan.....he just want to blame west for this Blasphemy Law.......so many conversations regarding mulims or islamophobia .....but this is very first time conversation regarding Christians.....well done Nikki....we want more conversation regarding Christians persecution
Funny how the women against flirting are looking not happy and argue from a point of annoyance. That's the problem, they take their emotions soooo seriously that they only condone feeling happy all the time and if not that's a crime. If you don't want to be offended by others you should live a life on your one without others, no one can read minds and only trough conversation and action we understand their emotions. You need to be offended to show others how you want to be treated.
In a society run by Abdullah and his ilk flirtation would not be a problem for he would have all women in burkas and and/or sequestered, it must be remembered that we do not live in societies that are ruled under and Islamic caliphate but societies we're basic manners are expected to be the norm, we live in societies where we expect no to mean no and our basic Humanity to be respected. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder weather the eye belongs to a female or a male. As to the question of Christian refugees it is my belief that no they should not get any special priority but be treated exactly the same as any refugee that is seeking help and safety and should be treated with respect kindness and sympathy as all refugees should be.
Typical militant atheist conclusion or shall i say assumption. Society in muslim world the men go directly to the lady father to ask for permission to court her. She has then option to date him or not date , within 3-6 months the man has to propose to her. She then can accept or not accept. By the way her chastity value is not broken while they are dating period. We don't see teenage moms and mass sexual rape like the west. Whereas females are sexual objectives.🙄
No one comes Inti this country unless they pass an integrity test Once you are cleared of criminality you may enter and be given every opportunity that all others are given who are born here Being from another country is never an issue unless you have I'll Intent And if you are harmful and ir criminal then you may not come in In fact at that recognition you should be put to sleep
Men and women in less privileged circumstances will be victims to laws that regulate sexual and social behavior. I have to assume that laws involving sexual harassment will benefit men and women of more privilege.
6:00 I can not believe what this woman is saying. if some you like flirts with you is ok. the problem is when you dont show any interest, and that person ignores you.
the religious people all seem to want to say that flirting equals sex. It does not. Flirting for one, is harassment for another. Not an easy road to travel.
I adore how this channel has to re-itterate their points after the fact via captions. Wind your neck in lads (as its obviously blokes at the keyboard here).
A matter of semantics here but I never like hearing someone say anyone who has religious views including Atheists. Atheists have views on religion not religious views. It's like saying that Atheism is a religion which it is now it's a philosophy which is totally different. I say this because I see theists who call Atheism a religion which is tantamount to them childishly saying to Atheists, yeah I know I am bit what are you. Atheism is not a religion, end of discussion!
islam make a difference that men should lower their gaze and women should lower their gaze so that there would be no disturbance in society. This is the boundary between the men and women... the case is simple and both win the discussion. so the right remain equal in reality.
I see so many muslim old men marrying kids what the hell are u talkinh about i have 3 muslims friends that have converted left islam who told u they are happy
It's just rediculous to say christians are the most persecuted group in the world. It's not just Christians get persecuted in those countries, all other religious groups are being persecuted in those extrimist Islamic countries. However, atheists and LGBT people are being persecuted 100 times more often in those countries plus in many chrisitan countries in some parts of Africa. So those groups should get the priority before chrisitians.
yes to Christian and Atheist refugees being prioritised as they were and still are being persecuted in Muslim countries; No to banning flirting, although people wfh now so this is irrelevant. There you go I've answered the questions so no need to watch video, good night.
the host is very rud he cuts of abdulla in 8:00'' , its just unprofessional if he wants to participate in debate he shoud sit down like oders and let some one more impartial host the show
The BBC a once well respected news sauce has lost its way along with all the other news sauces (ie news papers) in England. By taking the view of the government (I assume it was government guided) you have lost the support of the BRITISH PUBLIC. It has come to the point where we watch the news just to spot the bias and hatchet jobs and that is not good for a news service. As a news service your job is to report the NEWS not what you think we should know, the news of the day is the news. When you start broadcasting your point of view that is NOT the news, it is your point of view. The news blackout that has been placed upon the British people has done the country a great injustice, because the public have not been informed they cannot make up their minds about a given situation.The muslin rape gangs are a perfect example, the religion of peace (muslims) another example. We now watch other sauces to get the truth (Questionable) but better than yours.
Abdullah please don't go on this show again. They are obviously not fair to you when ever you speak. Always cut you off and never let you finish speaking.
Why does Abdullah try to take away the attention from the persecution of Middle Eastern Christians? There are plenty of discussions on Islamophobia, but this one in particular was about Christian persecution and he barely acknowledged it. Good on Nikki for attempting to keep the topic on MENA Christians.
@Rimah Babiker We are not idiots to believe this. We see the things and know the facts. Yes of course I don't trust mainstream media.
@@fortruegood8591 hmm... You don't believe us! Fine! Watch this from our Christian brothers:ruclips.net/video/zvfTEhORDMA/видео.html
I suppose that because he’s on a world stage, he wants to divert the conversation to his chosen topics. Most people with passionate beliefs are like that.
The Christian you talk about are presented by secular national states installed by the emperial west not a single islamic nation exist in the world today so to blame it on islam is wrong
@@brotherben4357 He's an Islamist. Abullah considers the eradication of Christians and other non-Muslims from the middle east to be a worthwhile goal, which is why he tries to deflect attention from it.
Flirting has been part of British culture for hundreds of years at least! How many of us began our relationships with our partners by flirting? I can't believe this is even being asked! Too many people are too quick to claim harassment. The word is losing it's meaning.
I don't think it was muslims who pushed for the legislation/government guidance to be introduced in employment. Do you have any evidence it was muslims? The programme discusses flirting 'in the workplace'. Nobody is advocating banning flirting outside of work lol.
But it's not muslim culture. How do we flirt with a Muslim women we are attracted to when they can not Express themselves or even show there beauty.
“Brushing a woman’s knee” is a reference to the Conservative politician who lost his job when the “Me Too” movement was first ramping-up because he touched Julia Hartley Brewers knee YEARS earlier. She thought that the whole drama was ludicrous! She did NOT think that it even deserved mentioning! She is a highly successful, intelligent & strong woman in a predominantly male industry. It was pure politics & exemplifies the negative side of the easily abused Me Too movement. “Innocent until proven guilty” is a founding principle of our culture. “Believe all women” directly opposes that principle!
Note : To my knowledge, no Muslim women were involved in the “Me Too” movement. Other than the fact that there are some Muslim guests (there predominantly for the 2nd question) in the audience, what on earth does a critique of Islamic culture have to do with this, very Western ‘Woke’ subject??!?
Dan Lucas If you live in Britain that’s not really an issue. Muslim women are a small % of the British population & only a tiny % of that small number wear the veil. Do you actually know any veiled women? Do you have a secret crush on a Muslim coworker? If so, maybe you should just offer to get her a cup of coffee or tea & hopefully you’ll get into conversation... ☺️
@@suzimonkey345 And Maybe he will need to convert to Islam Lol.
The fact that these are even questions is insane to me.
Abdullah raised good point to modern women, is be consistent, either ban flirting if you feel harrassed and make all flirting criminalised, as he digged hole in their irony she started saying no.
I have Asperger's Syndrome so social cues are terribly confusing. Best bet then is to just engage in normal conversation.
@@dovestone_ I don't think thats necessarily a good idea actually, different people like to be treated in different ways
I've got Dysexecutive Syndrome and therefore don't "get" social ettiquete. Sometimes I'm just being nice and it accidentally offends someone.
People need to understand that if we live in a free liberal society we will get offended sometimes.
I said Hi to a girl at the gym. She was new and struggling with a machine. I introduced myself and said "If you ever want a hand just let me know." I was being helpful.
Next week her boyfriend appears at the gym and says that if I keep making sexual advances he will take me outside...
I am wondering why are not more women taking the initiative with flirting or asking out. I can be shy sometimes and I don't always want to ask.
@Ana Lou if women are not prepared why should men?
Cuz your fugly muwahahha
Women don't need to flirt EVER, they can just wait for men to approach (which they do 10-20x a day)
as a woman let me explain, it's partly because men are more visually-stimulated than women. Relating to: in public, men find more women physically attractive, women find less men physically attractive. Women just don't find as many men attractive. And they're sure that a guy will approach them instead - so they don't try anything other than look good and go to wherever men might be. I'm sorry, but it's true.
@@topgurl9313 its the advantage of being a woman
Most women flirt in very different ways to men, it’s more subtle. In my experience most men don’t approach women until they’ve received a visual hint...catching his eye, smiling, flicking hair etc 😊
Workplace is for work not for flirting!
This show seems to have the weirdest questions. And the host just seems to get more irritating as the series goes on.
That first segment was entirely pointless! Everyone agrees that flirting is okay and everyone agrees that sexual harassment is definitely not okay. They're arguing because their on different sides of the room, not because they're on different sides of the issue.
"" unwanted sexual advances.""
Would that be what happened in Rotherham, Burnley, Bolton, Oxford etc.
and Telford, Newcastle, Rochdale, Oldham, Birmingham, Wakefield,
Jesus, how often does Nicky Campbell interrupt the guests on this?!
He just cuts everyone off that doesn't fit his narative
Yes, it’s annoying as hell, but poor Nicky loves the sound of his own voice, and voicing his own opinion. He does it on all his shows, but I suppose it’s his show.
He is the moderator. If people keep rambling and not answering the question he needs to stop them.
It depends, if you’re Abdullah then all the time
@@tkg3491 rightly so, he's an extremist rabble rouser
The perils of flirting ffs
@38:21 why lady in red making weird faces towards the host when abdullah speaks!!?? Typical islamophobe dailytelegraph representative!!
For once, Abdullah actually made a half-sensible point. When he was going on about Victorian times, I think what he was saying was that, in that period, there were set rules and customs surrounding courtship. There was not the ambivalence that might exist today. These customs made it clear to both parties what the intentions were, and people could act accordingly.
The same goes for modern Islam, in which courtship is a regimented thing, not something that happens on the fly, potentially with one party not even knowing that's what's occuring
I liked the way Nicky corrected Abdullah: "It's not a game!"
Atti Ylänen put time stamp on where
@@Tkdanso 33:00
That’s what he said but if you critically look at how he was formulating the questions you would know he was playing a game for making islam look bad.
@@ps4gameplay134 No one is buying your bs. Islam doesn't need anyone make it look bad. You do it all by yourselves.
@@attiylanen islam doesn’t look bad therefore western societies are trying so hard to make it look bad but it is having opposite effect lots of people are converting to islam . So what you saying is bs and coming out of ignorance. Islam is a threat to western devilish society therefore they are trying very hard to convince people it is bad lol which is failing.
Hi Mo it’s nick from the bbc ,, we’re gunna be telling the locals how Islam is as peaceful as a vicar on Valium and anyone who disagrees is hitlers lost moustache , we’ve reserved your seat and we promise to agree with anything you say Bye Mo ,, xxxx
Thankyou you opened my eyes! I was prejudiced before!
Monty 😂😂😂 lol Hitlers lost Moustache made ma laugh.
Yes, Christians should get priority in Britain and other European countries in the same way India now gives prority to the non-Muslims immigrants, legal or illegal, to their applications for citizenship. Muslims should go any of the Muslim countries. Muslims should not stay in India when the British gave them Pakistan in 1947. Is it not possible for Britain, Germany, France and other European countries to expel all Pakistani-Bangladeshis-Somali-Turks from their countries???
Flirting thing, first i herd about law changes and what not. Flirting is flirting. Theres a difference between "You're looking great today, I was wondering if you would like to go for coffee or a drink after work" and "Come on lets go for a drink! You you want to... come on let just go out, you love it, come on, come on...." One is flirting the other is harrasment. Neither require laws cause both should be delt with by each party or the boss should complaints be made. Now there has to be laws against prolonged harrasment.
Growing up, I used to feel so sorry for Muslims and I had this notion that they were all being forced to be that way.
But now that I've grown up and witnessed the tragedies the West has faced at the hands of these 'oppressed' people, I feel no semblance of sympathy.
Because at the end of the day, you can bring in a Muslim refugee yet he'll still follow and spread the very same ideals and beliefs he was running from.
rosemary_thyme pretty sure they werent running from islam but the effects of western imperialism
@@MrRebel247 another stupid liberal
@@MrRebel247 so they ran from an Islamic country to a Western imperialistic country to escape from the effects of Western imperialism.
What a load of lefty appeasment Tosh.
@@spearmint47 then you need find more reason,why.
Flirting doesn't belong in the workplace. Setting clear rules and upholding standards will increase Productivity.
Religious people arguing about who's the most persecuted.
I think that's called a victim complex. I also believe that's at the heart of most religions
Understandably anecdotal, but I work in the service industry and I met my fiancé at work. I’ve seen all of the above, if anyone senses harassment they are quickly outed or confronted because it’s not an acceptable behaviour. What is way more common is flirtation from women then accusing them of harassment. Guys can tell if you’re uncomfortable so won’t persist. The exceptions like I said are outed.
How does one verify or falsify the claim that "the workplace is the safest place for flirting"? This is not a scientific claim, if science claims are needed to be determined true or false
Flirting is essentially an evolutionary mechanism.
I have aspergers syndrome & social cues & body language are incredibly confusing. Very thankful I'm married so I don't have to navigate that confusing world any more.
And now Imran Khan has given in to the religious fanatics.
The West has not bombed Sudan, Eritrea, Ehtiopia, Nigeria, or Yemen.
They will still be blaming the West in 200 years.
If they become unfomfortable... Just say it then, and a respective man should say its fine and talk about something else or walk away, its as simple as that. People cant be THAT sensible??
tight. the blonde needs to grow a thicker skin :D.
:Nobody has the right to make another person feel uncomfortable
Makes the other person feel uncomfortable.
Totally. The law on flirting is making me uncomfortable cause i don't know what i can say or do in front of some one i find attractive.
I liked how this Pakistani lady called this Muslim guy insecure. He is all the time in a defensive mode. Yeah, blame the blasphemy law in Pakistan on English colonialism. If blasphemy is an English problem, why there is no blasphemy law in England then?
Message from Canada. Get in as much flirting and sex as you can before marriage! After marriage it's slim pickings.
Men who flirts or shows improper behaviour is a predator but if a woman does it it is OK or seen as not much of a problem
Yep
It's all about who you are and what you look like. All the things that they so call detest and want to modify. Give me a break, I'm away to graduate from university. I don't have money and all the stress has added 20 years to my brain 😂sorry.
No. If a woman is making a man feel uncomfortable and is crossing a line into harassment it is just as bad. Nobody should be sexually harassed and men should be encouraged to speak out too if a predatory woman is being a creep.
I hate being flirted with. If the intention is to find a romantic partner , earn their trust through friendship first ... because you're not entitled to a romantic context in the first place ... very inappropriate ..especially if I'm clearly not comfortable with you or know u from a hole in the wall ??
@Milorad Petkovic
It is mentioned as sign of Almighty Allah. In beginning of 7th century when the telescope was not invented, how any one can say that the universe is expending!?
Do you say that Edwin Hubble discovered it with no telescope? Without telescope he can't observe.
Who can tell with no telescope. Only the expander. Further study and research left for the coming researchers to explain it.
Somalia?! u must be kidding me Somalia doesn't even have any other religion accept Islam
They are just using propoganda
This may be the most relevant show in England!
Or the world. Who doesnt need some reality check?
Abdullah raises some fair points but they seem to bully him and it shows...
Abdullah did not raise any fair points they didn’t bully him, they just checked him when he spouting falsehoods and fallacious claims.
The host is biased towards abdullah never lets him finish his points and cuts him of in the middle.
looks like the freedom of speech restricted here lol, they didn't let Abdullah speak
This is the most ridiculous conversation
Nikki trying to misrepresent abdullahs view near the end there lol they're desperate to make him look bad
yea I agree there - he wasn't saying women were better in older times because they knew their place he was saying conservative morals are in some case better then liberal ones.
m 1 -- Abdullah doesn't need anyone's help to make himself look bad.
Abdullah is a dork thats why everyone knows that
suvariboy exactly
Keep him off the TV his obsessive aggressive attitude and anger oozes out of him.
Abdullah is an educated man it is hard for Nikki to keep up or understand what he is saying. Either Nikki is arrogant or ignorant or both.
B A I get the opposite impression. Abdullah seems like he is closed off from society and is happy to live in his own little bubble. He has no understanding of why people regularly take offence to his comments. He may be "educated" but I certainly wouldn't say he was intelligent. Nicki does a good job of encouraging the debate and calls Abdullah out on his potentially offensive comments.
Logical Thinker what are you? A liberal? Many Muslims think this way it’s normal. The only people living in a bubble are the neo conservative types who can’t see difference for what it is.
B A what kind of question is "what are you?" Don't even know how to answer that. I know a lot of muslims may think "this way" but that doesn't mean it isn't offensive to some. There are always going to be differences but that doesn't mean we cannot be tolerant of others. I personally find Islam vile and disgusting but I have absolutely nothing against muslims who feel differently than I do.
Logical Thinker good. You can think that. It’s when you start abusing people and attacking them for their beliefs is when you become an enemy of Islam and it’s followers. Treat others how you wish to be treated.
B A on that we agree. Personal beliefs are exactly that. As long as they do not harm others then we are entitled to our beliefs.
Invite immigrants, and soon you would be debating whether to carry on with Britain or maybe change to United English Emirates!
What about gender apartheid at work, zero confusion at work, this is soo sad.
angela jakob as a gay man, that would suit me just fine lol
When did the phrase sticks and stones become irrelevant ? Your taught that as a child...goodbye to freedom of speech...
Abdullah destroyed that blonde, her views changed when he asked to ban flirting lol
I'm only watching this video because I saw Abdullah was here.
Respect only british values rest can be thrown out of window or in bin!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️Hypocrites!!
Judging what men would be as predatory or not can lead to profiling, whether racial, Disability, etc. So it's best to push clearly defined terms that no one is to engage in sexual speech if the person doesn't ok the conversation. In college, men and women are told that if people don't say yes to the "flirtatious" behavior, then it crosses the line. To profile men as potential predators as problematic.
It seems problematic that people would rationalize or seem to ostensibly defend the freedom to do whatever one wants without the consent of the other. Freedom without other's people consent is not freedom. Freedom requires consent from other people. Sexual language and flirting that is not invited by people is sexual harrassment.
The only thing we have to learn is to listen when a person say no! Is it really so hard???? We have all different boundaries - and that should be ok. We just have to learn not to be offended, but learn to say no - and be heard!
the title makes it seem worse than it is. banning at the workplace being banned is different from flirting in general being banned...
8:06 This host is a menace lmao tryna make the guy look bad 😂
In Shariya law ,
First look is permitted,enen though women wear burq ,
Men get nerves at first approache ,they do some time wrong thing,
Me too want nobody ,they just want to isolate from world,
How someone know that other person is a crush me ,
I think sign language should be use,
I can't pose or heckle about something.
How about married people in the workplace should they be allowed to flirt
Muslim guy is looking hunk attractive 😍
Christian persecution is because of the negative image of the missionaries. People hate them and they keep appearing in countries and start forcing their religion out of context. And due to the negative history of Christian missionaries in Western colonial history.
How hard does Nikki Campbell try to wind up and interrupt this Muslim guy. Pretty disgusting behaviour, but then again this is the BBC!
Well said bro. After Manchester attack in 2017 Muslims across Manchester city came out and protested and but rt news channel gave coverage to that but BBC didn't.
Muslim guy is an islamic apologist who never admits apalling treatment of christians in muslim countries is partly caused by backward islam.
Why does the Muslim guy try to take away the attention from the persecution of Middle Eastern Christians? There are plenty of forums about Islamophobia, but this one in particular was about Christian persecution and he practically didn’t even acknowledge it.
@@kfjdsoihf8452 why should we. Christian were living peacefully in Iraq up until American invaded
@@sagirashraf2790 Living peacefully as dhimmi, 2nd class citizens, not allowed to proselytize their religion in public. Todays Christians are the most discriminated group in the world. Thanks to muslims.
Why is he calling Abdullahi in his show if he bullying and doesn’t like that much and making against everyone🙄
How the fuck are we supposed to show that we are interested in our subject of interest without showing that through flirting?Are we just supposed to go up to the person and say I like you face up and hope for a proper reply?
Short answer. Yes because the minority in the sectarian wars in the Mideast puts the non Muslim minorities at highest risk.
Did that Shrivelled raisin of a man at 34:51 referred to an African Country as Bongo Bongo Land?
it is funny, you have to admit
What kind of a journalist is stumped by the simple task of speaking out, one, syntactically and grammatically correct sentence?
The blond with the accent.
The Blond with the accent. You couldn't go back and find out? And you complain about others. Lazy.
No and no.
@9:17 The code has switched from fans to pepper spray & mace, Sir
... thx to porn , r@pe culture & Toxic masculinity.
Christians are the most persecuted. I am not one, she simply stated a fact. At no point did she say Muslims are not, quite the opposite. So this I need to be a victim stance was ridiculous. More black people are shot black people are shot unarmed than white people in the USA. That does not mean it has not happened to a white person. This whatabouttery literally shuts down conversation. I am afraid that Muslim man let himself down. Nobody was saying that Muslims are not suffering as well. Why do some people NEED to be victims? All he does with that debate style is give the right wingers who do not like Muslims leverage, as he is not prepared to talk about the facts.
The best policy is to avoid talking to women unless necessary. When you talk, don't be too soft. Be clear and concise. Also, never be alone with a woman.
Do not like the second question at all. As a reasonable, sensible human being, this form of harassment which of course can go either way should not be banned I do not think. However, if he/she controls human being, older, younger or same age, he/she should face the consequences for it and if he/she is letting him/herself down, if the company does not do something about this within a reasonable time frame i.e fourteen days, failure on the company for not complying this horrible and humiliating issue. If I was a barrister or any legal occupation, yes punishment on the employer or employee for taking advantage of him/her but on the same wavelength, the company should face damages for failing to comply within fourteen days. I am looking at it in a sense of fairness on the whole picture.
That is absolutely ridiculous! I'm really hoping I am simply missing the sarcasm in your comment?
Why is it ridiculous?
Angela mentioned about predatory women. They exist but it is not just the perpetrators, male and female, society as a whole including myself need to take a little bit more responsibility, helping the next wave of individuals feel a sense of self esteem as well as themselves. I must have met so many individuals going all the way back to primary school in my case thirty years. I have had good and bad experiences but you can learn from them, improving yourself, self confidence wise. Starts with the individual first, building up confidence, self esteem then the human interaction, school, work, on the busy streets, etc, getting to know them, likes, dislikes, basic human interaction. I sense that there is a real fear in this audience.
Björn Mormont "Avoid talking to women" you can't be serious?
Abdullah intentionally want to distract the attention to something else......do not want to let Nikki focus on Christians persecution specially in Pakistan.....he just want to blame west for this Blasphemy Law.......so many conversations regarding mulims or islamophobia .....but this is very first time conversation regarding Christians.....well done Nikki....we want more conversation regarding Christians persecution
There was no Christians in Pakistan before the British occupation so you are the product of the colonial occupation and traitor to your nation
Abdulllah was a Christian himself and parents are Christian’s
Flirting is very risky nowadays I'd be wary of doing so unless your completely confident where the line between flirting and harassment is.
Loving the little shimmy Abdullah @18:55 .... very flirtatious
I worked in a sales office in London in my early 20`s & no lie I slept with almost every woman in the place! lol they did not mind one bit!
Women talk behind her back.
Funny how the women against flirting are looking not happy and argue from a point of annoyance.
That's the problem, they take their emotions soooo seriously that they only condone feeling happy all the time and if not that's a crime.
If you don't want to be offended by others you should live a life on your one without others, no one can read minds and only trough conversation and action we understand their emotions.
You need to be offended to show others how you want to be treated.
In a society run by Abdullah and his ilk flirtation would not be a problem for he would have all women in burkas and and/or sequestered, it must be remembered that we do not live in societies that are ruled under and Islamic caliphate but societies we're basic manners are expected to be the norm, we live in societies where we expect no to mean no and our basic Humanity to be respected. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder weather the eye belongs to a female or a male. As to the question of Christian refugees it is my belief that no they should not get any special priority but be treated exactly the same as any refugee that is seeking help and safety and should be treated with respect kindness and sympathy as all refugees should be.
Typical militant atheist conclusion or shall i say assumption. Society in muslim world the men go directly to the lady father to ask for permission to court her. She has then option to date him or not date , within 3-6 months the man has to propose to her. She then can accept or not accept. By the way her chastity value is not broken while they are dating period. We don't see teenage moms and mass sexual rape like the west. Whereas females are sexual objectives.🙄
Britian need to give massive aid to india for its exploitation
No one comes Inti this country unless they pass an integrity test
Once you are cleared of criminality you may enter and be given every opportunity that all others are given who are born here
Being from another country is never an issue unless you have I'll Intent
And if you are harmful and ir criminal then you may not come in
In fact at that recognition you should be put to sleep
Men and women in less privileged circumstances will be victims to laws that regulate sexual and social behavior. I have to assume that laws involving sexual harassment will benefit men and women of more privilege.
Bongo bongo land
6:00 I can not believe what this woman is saying. if some you like flirts with you is ok. the problem is when you dont show any interest, and that person ignores you.
People will always blame the moderator for not allowing their form of garbage licence to run free, and it goes for both sides.
So Asia is basically "across the world"?
Who thinks that the muslim Abdullah is making any sense?
the religious people all seem to want to say that flirting equals sex. It does not. Flirting for one, is harassment for another. Not an easy road to travel.
I adore how this channel has to re-itterate their points after the fact via captions.
Wind your neck in lads (as its obviously blokes at the keyboard here).
Were all adults.not teenagers. Sorry but you speak like a teenager.
not a useful word have i heard.
Godfrey nails it.
A matter of semantics here but I never like hearing someone say anyone who has religious views including Atheists. Atheists have views on religion not religious views. It's like saying that Atheism is a religion which it is now it's a philosophy which is totally different. I say this because I see theists who call Atheism a religion which is tantamount to them childishly saying to Atheists, yeah I know I am bit what are you. Atheism is not a religion, end of discussion!
2:50 black woman on the left, you are soooo beautiful!
They have the most gorgeous black women on this show. Every episode.
What happened to free speech thing,
I can say anything 😏
islam make a difference that men should lower their gaze and women should lower their gaze so that there would be no disturbance in society. This is the boundary between the men and women... the case is simple and both win the discussion. so the right remain equal in reality.
WAQAR AHMAD hahahahaha yeah and the raping of woman the marrying girls 15years old
I see so many muslim old men marrying kids what the hell are u talkinh about i have 3 muslims friends that have converted left islam who told u they are happy
I saw no Muslim lower his gaze while talking to women.
I don't think Muhammed lowered his gaze when he cast his lustful eyes on zainab.
@@politicallyincorrect3528 typical white far right supremacist Christian terrorist crusader
It's just rediculous to say christians are the most persecuted group in the world. It's not just Christians get persecuted in those countries, all other religious groups are being persecuted in those extrimist Islamic countries. However, atheists and LGBT people are being persecuted 100 times more often in those countries plus in many chrisitan countries in some parts of Africa. So those groups should get the priority before chrisitians.
Alisha and Molvi both r from Pakistan....they knows how Christians r being persecuted in Pakistan....
the muslim woman used the term bongo land, then slates the white guy for replying it back ?
yes to Christian and Atheist refugees being prioritised as they were and still are being persecuted in Muslim countries; No to banning flirting, although people wfh now so this is irrelevant. There you go I've answered the questions so no need to watch video, good night.
Gender segregation makes things much more simple
Abdula is in denial
Nicky is so inhospitable to Abdullah and is biased. I hate that old man
the host is very rud he cuts of abdulla in 8:00'' , its just unprofessional if he wants to participate in debate he shoud sit down like oders and let some one more impartial host the show
The BBC a once well respected news sauce has lost its way along with all the other news sauces (ie news papers) in England. By taking the view of the government (I assume it was government guided) you have lost the support of the BRITISH PUBLIC. It has come to the point where we watch the news just to spot the bias and hatchet jobs and that is not good for a news service. As a news service your job is to report the NEWS not what you think we should know, the news of the day is the news. When you start broadcasting your point of view that is NOT the news, it is your point of view. The news blackout that has been placed upon the British people has done the country a great injustice, because the public have not been informed they cannot make up their minds about a given situation.The muslin rape gangs are a perfect example, the religion of peace (muslims) another example. We now watch other sauces to get the truth (Questionable) but better than yours.
Anthony Neve very well put.
When white Christian far right supremacist pedophiles rape little children you ignore them and say they are crazy ones the double standards again
19:40 The sexless feminist strikes again
38:51 😍😍
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Abdullah please don't go on this show again. They are obviously not fair to you when ever you speak. Always cut you off and never let you finish speaking.
Tell him to try actually giving an honest, straightforward answer for once instead of taqiyya.
@@dark7element if your claiming his not being honest so that must mean u know the truth. So please tell us the truth you clown.
@@dark7element you are crusader-terrorist