maybe a bit late, but an offense I like using (used it a lot more years ago before I stopped playing) is Fran/Theo/Hathor. A bit weak to certain wind units, but it tends to run quite well into bruiser teams that lack immunity.
I have 3 most common offenses. All 3 are also winning defenses. 1 of which, I will clarify, I was doing BEFORE the dark sniper HoH. 1) Nephthys (L), Clara/Vereesa (depending on element)/Kaki. (18W - 10L Def.) - Cleave. 2) Dragunov (L), Amarna, Fran (Fran, Amarna, then Dragunov. Sets up a 2-turn cleave with Dragunov on Vampire, so it acts as a budget Douglas. 12W - 5L Def.) 3) The classic offense of Jeanne (L), Leo, Helena. (15W - 6L Def.)
@@louistemple9909 But this account was also an alt of Furyn - a G3 Tourney player who farmed somewhat extensively on it before he gave it to me, so my rune qualities I would say are on par with at least mid G2
@ronlanders7354 Well, my Jeanne is on a double nemesis will trap, Leo is on vamp destroy, hp/cd/attk, and Helena is on a crit damage 0 speed build with 81% S2 accuracy including artifacts for AoE def break. So it tricks a lot of people.
yea, but it's a def that has different options, which could make it better. however, the eshir didn't show that much dmg. that could have been better at this comp.
I hate bruising. If the fight lasts more than 3 mins I get apoplectic. Some tested and fast offense teams: 1. Fran Loren +Theo/Beast Rider big boy single target dmg that doesn't get 1 shot. This team has a lot of variants 2. Kashmir Daphnis Bastet/Megan/Wolyung 3. Galleon Tiana + Kaki/big boy AoE 4. Chloe + Twins on crack 5. Susanoo Orion +1 I also have 3 Windys, Bolverk Mo Long, Ashour Liu Mei Abello, etc. tucked in the back.
One team I use is Dominic, Woosa, Yeonhong which has not lost an offense yet even against a 17-3 defense (Dominic Theo Molly). Yes, it's Yeonhong but Mihyang is literally better. Mihyang S2 into Dominic S2, kills something or gets them to
in this video, nope, since it's on the fly rather than by script :) this is also a very dynamic topic with many key points, because there's not just 1 answer. I understand that a whole bunch of you would like all the information in 1 small part of the video, and simply view that and skip the rest of the video ^.^ But on the other hand I would appreciate it if you guys watch the whole video. However, this is pretty much a dynamic topic. and if you feel it's not going anywhere, then it means that you are skipping through the video trying to find key parts rather than listening to the story. I notice this often by getting questions in the comment section about things that are explained in the video. even if the video is just 8 minutes and all key points. People still miss those parts.
@Seiishizo i appreciate the longer content cause people don't seem to realize a pvp game is already not black and white, but with as much rng is in this game there's no single answer to anything. general knowledge like you put out is really nice!
Question to the new AI Update: Our Guild is building Miyhang Cichlid Eshir and we are doing some on Vio and some on Swift. The Vio ones are Moving Cichlid -> Eshir -> Miyhang, but the swift ones u want Eshir to move first, but after around 60 Tests from different Guildies Eshir used S2 like 8 times out of all the tries. Was it just unlucky or is he using S3 after the Update just more often? And if is there a reason behind it?
I will learn a lot of your videos for prepare my team for Siege at basic level and then I will farm like crazy runes and artifacts for have complete stats, I recently ask in your server wich acc to buy and I decide for maxi elenoa combo for star learning, cause I think g2 on arena every week will help me with more free Cristal’s for keep farming a lot of dungeons for have a good account some day, thanks
dark monkey is very hard to fit in, his kit often just doesn't do enough dmg to make him interesting enough on just a stunner. Craka is somewhat hard to fit in because she's often doomed by either the camilla team that i just showed or a sonia snipe. But you could build her as sonia counter maybe? And whats probably going to be meta is stuff with miyhang + 2 if you can find a team where she counters both camilla team, sonia, and leo. then ur pretty much in a good spot.
@@Seiishizo Defended by clara/dark monkey/theo, clara/dark hell lady, theo. But the results are disgusting, the idea is a random massive random def break and damage from theo, but it’s like it’s too easy to kill through camilla, windy. On paper the monsters are interesting, but there are no ideas at all on how to use them in terms of protection :(
i personally love my mimirr, dark&wind robo comb ...literally wins everything till g2 Ps.: @seii i pulled vrita (dark asura) ..is eh any good or usable for siege def?
Oh yea for sure. Still haven't fought any tian lang defense that isn't from my guild. I use quite a bunch of offenses, mainly cleaves (Baleygr teon lushen, Galleon tiana Bael, Galleon Eshir Leah, Galleon Clara Kaki). I also use Bolverk Mo Long Amelia/Laima depending on the enemy team threats@@Seiishizo
Hmm depends, if your thinking about perfect AI like clara, pretty much just that, but if you are thinking about dropping RNG armorbreak/aoe armorbreak and therefore switching off targets a lot
because if i spoil exact counters, or exact defenses, it will be counter productive in the long run, because people will adapt to what i say and change their offs/defs based on it towards a step further than what is explained. However im teaching you here how to think of making defs rather than saying what to do exactly. As in this quote: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
Bruh i learn so much with u thats just impossible to express how thankfull i am, ur a necessary streamer for the sw community , thanks
Really appreciate the comment!
maybe a bit late, but an offense I like using (used it a lot more years ago before I stopped playing) is Fran/Theo/Hathor. A bit weak to certain wind units, but it tends to run quite well into bruiser teams that lack immunity.
I have 3 most common offenses. All 3 are also winning defenses. 1 of which, I will clarify, I was doing BEFORE the dark sniper HoH.
1) Nephthys (L), Clara/Vereesa (depending on element)/Kaki. (18W - 10L Def.) - Cleave.
2) Dragunov (L), Amarna, Fran (Fran, Amarna, then Dragunov. Sets up a 2-turn cleave with Dragunov on Vampire, so it acts as a budget Douglas. 12W - 5L Def.)
3) The classic offense of Jeanne (L), Leo, Helena. (15W - 6L Def.)
What rank siege are you playing in?
@@louistemple9909 mid G1. Very rarely if we hit a hard guild do we go borderline. Occasionally we hit just inside G2
@@louistemple9909 But this account was also an alt of Furyn - a G3 Tourney player who farmed somewhat extensively on it before he gave it to me, so my rune qualities I would say are on par with at least mid G2
Surprised with the Leo def result, anyway nice job!
@ronlanders7354 Well, my Jeanne is on a double nemesis will trap, Leo is on vamp destroy, hp/cd/attk, and Helena is on a crit damage 0 speed build with 81% S2 accuracy including artifacts for AoE def break. So it tricks a lot of people.
9:10 isn't the enemy's turn order already what you recommended to be stronger?
yea, but it's a def that has different options, which could make it better. however, the eshir didn't show that much dmg. that could have been better at this comp.
Ken going for that juicy s1 on the first turn
Thank you Master for the lessons! 😊
13:40 but Sei, SeanB has like 100 leos in reserve...
I hate bruising. If the fight lasts more than 3 mins I get apoplectic. Some tested and fast offense teams:
1. Fran Loren +Theo/Beast Rider big boy single target dmg that doesn't get 1 shot. This team has a lot of variants
2. Kashmir Daphnis Bastet/Megan/Wolyung
3. Galleon Tiana + Kaki/big boy AoE
4. Chloe + Twins on crack
5. Susanoo Orion +1
I also have 3 Windys, Bolverk Mo Long, Ashour Liu Mei Abello, etc. tucked in the back.
One team I use is Dominic, Woosa, Yeonhong which has not lost an offense yet even against a 17-3 defense (Dominic Theo Molly). Yes, it's Yeonhong but Mihyang is literally better. Mihyang S2 into Dominic S2, kills something or gets them to
can you also show an example of how to rune it? and show the win loss records as well
moment i show how to rune specific teams, it will be countered right away. simply because of showing too much info.
Thank you for the material. In the 20 minutes you spoke you said a lot of things. Is it possible to get a condensed bullet point list?
U gotta take notes bro!
Can you organize your key points please? You tend to ramble on and on and it doesn't really go anywhere.
in this video, nope, since it's on the fly rather than by script :) this is also a very dynamic topic with many key points, because there's not just 1 answer.
I understand that a whole bunch of you would like all the information in 1 small part of the video, and simply view that and skip the rest of the video ^.^ But on the other hand I would appreciate it if you guys watch the whole video.
However, this is pretty much a dynamic topic. and if you feel it's not going anywhere, then it means that you are skipping through the video trying to find key parts rather than listening to the story. I notice this often by getting questions in the comment section about things that are explained in the video. even if the video is just 8 minutes and all key points. People still miss those parts.
Lil hint : Put sustain/heal on ur def
Not always needed, it depends on the comp
Also 'let me tell you vaguely how to do things and say it's a guide'.
@Seiishizo i appreciate the longer content cause people don't seem to realize a pvp game is already not black and white, but with as much rng is in this game there's no single answer to anything. general knowledge like you put out is really nice!
Most common ofense it's not creative at all, but Gemini Hraesvelg and Light Chun Li are awesome against "almost" anything.
12:05 Why do I want Feng on a little bit of Speed? There is Leo in the comp
bc leo getting oblivioned
exactly what @ryuox mentioned, in case of oblivion or leo death.
Question to the new AI Update:
Our Guild is building Miyhang Cichlid Eshir and we are doing some on Vio and some on Swift. The Vio ones are Moving Cichlid -> Eshir -> Miyhang, but the swift ones u want Eshir to move first, but after around 60 Tests from different Guildies Eshir used S2 like 8 times out of all the tries. Was it just unlucky or is he using S3 after the Update just more often? And if is there a reason behind it?
the def is very strong, but very rng depending on which skills they do yea.
Sei how about def with maya? Her usage is kinda off 😅. Just wanna make her useful.
I've seen some people go maya on def, not fully sure what teams. but they told me they had decent success with it. probably some byunchul tesa orso.
@@Seiishizo thank you so much, might try.
My best pick is seara cp wind robo. Use that against everything that is cc-able
what do you think about mihyang cichilid tesarion?
I will learn a lot of your videos for prepare my team for Siege at basic level and then I will farm like crazy runes and artifacts for have complete stats, I recently ask in your server wich acc to buy and I decide for maxi elenoa combo for star learning, cause I think g2 on arena every week will help me with more free Cristal’s for keep farming a lot of dungeons for have a good account some day, thanks
Hello, do you have any idea about a cadiz def? Dont have seara for the raoq one :(
I would like with theo but its rly tiana food then..
Hello sei! Thank you for the video, in your opinion, are there any good defenses with the dark hell lady and the dark monkey in G3?
dark monkey is very hard to fit in, his kit often just doesn't do enough dmg to make him interesting enough on just a stunner.
Craka is somewhat hard to fit in because she's often doomed by either the camilla team that i just showed or a sonia snipe. But you could build her as sonia counter maybe? And whats probably going to be meta is stuff with miyhang + 2 if you can find a team where she counters both camilla team, sonia, and leo. then ur pretty much in a good spot.
@@Seiishizo Defended by clara/dark monkey/theo, clara/dark hell lady, theo. But the results are disgusting, the idea is a random massive random def break and damage from theo, but it’s like it’s too easy to kill through camilla, windy. On paper the monsters are interesting, but there are no ideas at all on how to use them in terms of protection :(
@@Seiishizo miyhang, craka/monkey, wind mermaid?
Sei, can you suggest a siege def that includes celia?
we ran some zeno celia deva's, its decent but nothing crazy good.
i personally love my mimirr, dark&wind robo comb ...literally wins everything till g2
Ps.: @seii i pulled vrita (dark asura) ..is eh any good or usable for siege def?
def not really, off might be useful because of the threat states
What's Ur build on mimirr n robos , what can't you take it into
I cleared my guildie's tian lang defense with fast pace homie, kahli and fat lushen. Tian lang didn't even get to move lmao
thats a very solid team yea. But then again Swift tianlang is a great trap against that ^.^
Oh yea for sure. Still haven't fought any tian lang defense that isn't from my guild. I use quite a bunch of offenses, mainly cleaves (Baleygr teon lushen, Galleon tiana Bael, Galleon Eshir Leah, Galleon Clara Kaki). I also use Bolverk Mo Long Amelia/Laima depending on the enemy team threats@@Seiishizo
Can I see your Grogen stats? I just pulled him and not sure what to aim for
i have about 240-250 spd, 100 cr 200 cd rest all cd as much as possible
How much is AI taken into account when making a defense?
Hmm depends, if your thinking about perfect AI like clara, pretty much just that, but if you are thinking about dropping RNG armorbreak/aoe armorbreak and therefore switching off targets a lot
good topic!
make counter team for siege but 2nd turn pls,
Never lost with ayalah bolverk mo long
Well I'll humor it, but I have been enjoying Iselia, Luer, X
Doesn't win against everything, but I love claire kona elenoa. Have dupe elenoas so can do 2x
4:45. can’t Spoiler counter ? Then why you make videos and don’t wanna help at the same time ? That’s actually lost af lul
because if i spoil exact counters, or exact defenses, it will be counter productive in the long run, because people will adapt to what i say and change their offs/defs based on it towards a step further than what is explained.
However im teaching you here how to think of making defs rather than saying what to do exactly. As in this quote:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
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