Season 1 may not have a lot of choices with consequences, but season 2 is why people say TWDG choices don't matter. S1 had some important character development be present or end depending on your choices, but S2 is so static that it doesn't matter if you were rude to Sarah or threaten Rebecca in episode 1, they both still die. Kenny/Jane will still go with you even if you sided more with the other and you still get AJ in the end.
They should not have killed Omid and just vanished Christa. Jane was a terrible character. Carver was killed way too soon and should have been the antagonist of the entire season, not just the first few episodes. Arvo was pointless. They rushed so much of this season and everyone's character development suffered because of it. When I had to make that choice at the end, there was no way I was going to off Kenny for someone I just met who kept on leaving. Jane offs herself anyway, even if you do leave with her, which is infuriating and solidifies your choices don't matter.
They did him so bogus in the story too… pulled up to his friends cabin, got his friends killed, then got them captured, resulting in his new girlfriends death… the crash out was inevitable lmao
@@brianachim2670Deadass, Kenny towards the end of season 2 starting becoming one of the most irrationally irate characters of the entire series to the point of annoyance and frustration.
Season 2 has a great setup - with a disjointed group where every member has a clear flaw and room to develop over the course of the season. Yet the writers choose to give no one meaningful development and kill them off instead. Nick just dies, Rebecca's change in attitude seems forced and not meaningful, Carlos just dies, Sarah just dies etc. No one seems to improve for the better or have any story arcs
And worst of all in my opinion is they tried so hard to make Kenny like some psychopath in the making when all he did was protecting clem and AJ, and hardly shown much signs of being genuinely crazy - he had to do all that for their security and everyone, doesnt seem to understand that - being in the world they already lived in for years
@@Cruddy129Kenny was definitely kind of crazy. This doesn’t mean that I blame him for feeling and acting this way, but he still doesn’t handle things correctly and goes out of line.
this is how i feel is the reason why people was starting to hate on TellTale and what signed off their death warrants since people grew to not trust their whole "choices matter" formula Or rather, the illusion of choice Whats the point of using a "choices matter" mechanic, if you hardly make choices have an impact in the overall story? Its just straight up lying to us that we make choices when the plot doesnt
I agree, and that’s probably the reason why Telltale’s games went down in sales. You can see that Telltale did try to shake things up in Batman TEW, and TWD Final Season. However by that point they already filed for bankruptcy. I’m scared that they’re making the same mistakes, they kept hyping up TWAU Season 2 and then say “it’s not finished” on the deadline.
@ Choices sort of matters. It changes the story, but not the overall plot. But they didn’t put effort into improving their formula, playing Telltale different games feels like playing the same game over and over.
@@xXMrTweedyGamerXx in the final TWD season it was cheap anyways because they only allowed you so much more becuase that was the end and you didnt have to figure out the story
Season 2 would be massively better if they only replaced Jane with Molly, Russian Group with 400 Days characters, if Kenny and Luke fought at the end (optional actually, better replaced with Carver being antagonist for entire season and even more than one season) and if some of the choices really matter, such as sparing Nick with him having further role to play later, and Sarah being taught how to use gun etc.
As much as I would've loved to see Molly again because shes my favorite outside Lee, and Clem...I like Jane. But the end of the game had her out of character, all they had to do was not have her do what she did with AJ cuz I made no sense for her specifically to do that. Honestly, if Jane had eventually left like she originally planned that would've been fine too.
16:09 honestly I completely agree with you. But I just like Alvin. For the soul fact, he reminds me of myself. Alvin is, one of only two characters that I cared about in season two. Besides Kenny. Mike was fine. Until, episode five of the game decided that you really needed to hate Kenny. Even though he’s right. Most of the time.
Christa and Omid should have been Alvin and Rebecca Carver died too soon Nick and Sarah amounted to nothing Luke got replaced with Jane halfway through the season Nothing was done with the 400 days cast
The way they drop the ball completely with Luke because honestly it would had been Kenny and Luke at the end. Why in the heck would I let Clem kill an old friend over some random women that is quick to run away and has no real connection to Clem, when said women also thought it be best to poke the bear just to prove a point. I know in Season 3, nothing matters and the writers are quick to write off this season with the only thing sticking is the boy.
I hated most of the new characters and the fact the choices you made didn't matter such as helping Sarah I really wish she could've grown with clem. I also hate Bonnie and Arvo so much
Most of the problems with Season 2 was Because the first season won game of the year in 2012 these executives at Telltale rushed too fast at a quick cash grab to ride the wave and it felt rushed And the background characters didn't have any hints of their previous behavior and ways before the apocalypse or before you meet them as Clementine It felt very little was at stake besides avoiding Carvers and his people until AJ was born really But yeah overall if this game and it's developers were given more time to flesh out backgrounds and Find ways to add higher stakes Like Choosing Between Luke or Kenny than rather Jane and Kenny For examples then it would've been essentially and more unique than we got In my honest opinion
@KennyGodofBoats Bruh, I'm pissed that Season 4 had no follow up like it did with Lilly. I would've loved to have a scene where you get revenge on Arvo, or choose to let him live, but let's be honest, I don't think anyone would choose that except out of morbid curiosity.
The thing with the choices in this season imo is that whatever we chose, the character that lived will be as well as dead, what I try to say is, for example, in season 1 if you save Ben by the end, he ends up dying anyway, BUT the big difference is how the characters are affected by this and how different the story goes, for example if you let him die, Kenny would miss on character development even if he end up going away anyway, the coices don't really matter but at least we had a bit different story for some characters, bu then in season 2, wait, you saved THIS character? Well we hadn't planned for that so they will stay on the back and do absolutely nothing until they die and you can do nothing about it. Btw, I still think that Clem AJ Sarita group would have been awesome if they had developed the character good enough...
THIS!!! Ben still dies but has some development not only to his self but also Kenny and helps the group escape the house before he dies. In season 2 I noticed how if you save nick he literally has no involvement in episode 3. I like how we can push back when a person dies but it’s useless when they stop popping up on screen until they die.
Kev bruner and whoever else fucked up season 2’s story that many of the writers were against. They had good ideas that were thought through and made sure everything was precise. Unfortunately, their hardwork was thrown out the window for a rushed story.
I remember seeing a video were someone said that this season was Clemintines transition into becoming Lee, this is why most of her choices dont have long lasting effects leading up to the final choice between Jane and Kenny, and I mostly agree with this idea of the story. Now this view on the story has like a million plotholes to it 😅 but I treasured this season so much because it was the first telltale game I ever got the chance to play, and I feel this story can be interperated in many ways.
in the background when you're running away from the bandits during the beginning, you can hear christa scream and then a gun shot follows after. she got killed by them
yeah but she could still have lived the voice actor for Clem said she always thought she was still alive and in early versions of season 4 like script writing days she was considered for Lily's place in season 4
This season has so many issues l feel like if lee lived so many problems could been avoided not to mention clem has to do almost everything despite she is a child and your choices don't matter over people you try to save end up dying anyways and how hard this game attempt to make me believe kenny was bad guy for beating on avro who still ambush us even if you didn't robbed him and if you was trying be nice to him when he was temporary with the group he still shoots clem in the end after he, mike and Bonnie steal our supplies screw that bastard l wish kenny killed him when he has the chance at least my clem stay with him and aj as l didn't want be separated from him and they had family moments in season 3 before he was killed in the car accident wish his death could been better but he with his family and lee now so he doesn't suffer anymore 😢
"Take Kenny, Jane and maybe Luke out of the equation, without these characters what do we have?" A cast of useless characters lmao. Some had their moments but died early while the others were dumb and died later. Im giving Rebecca a pass since she was pregnant throughout the season. I see her role as making things complicated which she did (plus she had some of that sarcastic humor like Larry which i find funny personally). About describing season 2 as clementine's search for a new Lee, i can kinda see it Luke was there providing with emotional guidance teaching clem the importance of family and people you can trust Kenny is the OG Jane was taught the importance of survival teaching Clem skills and techniques Heck as i much as i hate Bonnie i will say she had like 5 minutes of glory looking out for Clem, until she did a 180 and threw that character development out the window However if you look at the whole season, Clem was pretty much doing all the heavy lifting. Every time a crisis occurs, Clem has managed to take care of herself and others. The whole point of her searching for a "Lee" cant really be applied. Throughout the game Clem has made choices that dont do anything at all. Characters even brush off what she says even tho she has fully proven herself and shown that she actually can think rationally at times. I will say that only at the end where she tries to stop Kenny and Jane from killing each other, her choices where she just gets completely ignored is something i appreciate from a story perspective. Her inability to change prevent this outcome in addition to the atmosphere of being a 11 year old child. being in the middle of nowhere with no food, no shelter, a new born baby that "died", a raging blizzard and your two remaining adults that are at each others throats about to kill each other really set the whole hopeless situation with her taking the gun being the only option. That i liked. Other times where she gets ignored is just dumb XD.
I loved all the seasons of the main storyline of The Walking Dead. I do think that dynamic with Lee and Clementine was the best part of the first season, that his death, it developed who she would grow to become. I did love that choice that Lee gives Omid and Christa his blessing to be her guardians, she needed that balance, where she has a mother and father figure to raise. When Omid died and Clemente was crying about it, I did have tears, since she felt really guilty because he told her to mind her gear and keep it within reach. I do think Christa is depressed about what happened, though she basically promised Lee that her and Omid would protect her, taking care of her
also i already commented this, but if it is ok could you tell me how you make your videos? i would love to make twd videos, and you are one of my favorite twd creators.
Season 3 is BY FAR WORSE! Its filler, Clementine is a side character, the side cast is terrible, it’s all about family drama, the villains are worst S2 is about who clem can trust more, and development as a person. Itachi at 11 was giving to adults, and it’s been stated she’s not a normal little girl. Kenny is by far the best written character in the whole series. S 2 is his redemption arc. Him sacrificing himself to save Clem & Aj at Wellington is the best ending in the series. The final choices matter because the other 3 endings are terrible. S2 has the best villain, and he made it entertaining, parallels with the villain & with Kenny, plot twist, emotional moments, comedy. This season is arguably the most enjoyable with S1.
Honestly I mean S3 was pretty aight in my opinion. I do agree, it could have actually went somewhere different, but I still did like the story overall, even if it kind of felt lackluster near the end in certain points.
I personally would love if the series was remade in a remake quadrilogy to make the choices actually matter and fix parts of the over encompassing story.
I wish the video was longer considering that only the last 3 minutes of the video is an actual review. Would’ve talked about the impact Season 2 had on TWD franchise and the downfall of Telltale Games.
Everybody still alive after episode 3 but Clem and Kenny were very annoying and had super cringe dialogue, they probably should've had this season end with a proper conclusion at Howe's
Honestly for a long time I was very confused as to why so many people disliked season 2 and after watching several videos of people talking about it I think I understand a bit better. They wanted season 1 but with Clementine, having the influence of Lee but with the character of Clementine. Now this is all my opinion and everyone has the right to disagree (you probably will :-P ) I never really saw the game the above way, Season 2's main theme to me is dis-empowerment. You are playing as an 11 year old child, the very idea that you could influence events and change the world is impossible. The very act of survival is nearly impossible for an adult in this setting, for a child death is a near certainty. Clementine spends the entire season in a futile struggle with fate, she tries her best to save everyone around her, to control things and she fails every time. Despite what you do you cannot save Christa and Omid, this isn't the game taking away your choices this is you being a child. Clementine should never have been allowed to go into that bathroom by herself. The adults should have check out both of the rooms then they all should have gone into one together, their bad choices caused their downfall. Clementine learned a lot of lessons in the first game but she is still a child, a mature one who is very skilled but also one whose bad decisions in the first game got multiple people killed. Clementine cannot stop Carver from entering the house, and no matter how well she lies Carver powers his way through. Despite everything she has gone through she is a child in a world where most adults can do little but survive. I believe meeting Kenny is a great way for the story to progress. Kenny has been broken by the harsh world and struggles to grab at any life line he can to keep his head above water. He is a poor substitute for Lee and he knows it. He tries his best to take that command role but he just isn't made for it. Clementine while comically is asked to do so much for the adults is mainly there for the player to have a degree of agency. Logically she wouldn't always be thrust into situations where she has to bail out a room full of adults but this is a video game after all. However the game shows us that despite our efforts we don't have the power to meaningfully change the situation. Season 2 is gut punch after gut punch to remind us of our powerlessness. We can make all of the right decisions but we will still fail in the end because we are a child trying to do far more then we can. We steal the radio for Luke only to have him get captured right after, we help everyone when they get captured by Carver but we cannot stop them from panicking while going through the herd. No matter what choice we make with Sarita she is going to die. Cutting off her hand? That is an insane choice that the player keeps getting told might work. First from Pete, then we see that Reggie survived a bite by getting his arm amputated. So naturally when we see Sarita bit on the wrist we are led to think that we can save her by cutting her hand off. But we are forgetting how Lee reacted if he gets his arm cut off, he screams through the whole thing. The idea that Sarita would just calmly stand there as you hack off her arm can only be considered through the eyes of a panicking child. Of course she is going to scream and freak out thus causing every walker around her to grab her. We are given a choice of how to see her die because we are powerless to prevent it. Now, I hate Arvo. The fact that even if you give him back his medicine and inform him that you have a newborn child with you he and his people still insist on robbing you thus knowingly decide to murder a baby. Then all of a sudden the majority of your group treat him like an innocent victim after Luke is shot and most of you almost die. Plus he shoots you at the end no matter how nice you try to be to him so I will always hate him and feel no sympathy towards him. The final confrontation between Kenny and Jane I think perfectly ends the season. Here are two people who hate each other but still both care for Clementine in their own unhealthy way. No matter how much Clementine tries to separate the two she is just shoved out of the way. She cannot stop what is happening any more then she could have stopped Carver from wandering around the house in episode 2. One of her guardians will die and Clementine's only choice is who dies, this is the only "real" choice she has the power to make. She couldn't stop anything before hand and only after taking so much loss can she finally have the power to end things and it is a horrible choice. Anyway I am rambling way too much but to try to end this long post, I love Season 2 because I don't think Clementine's choices should matter in a big way. She isn't Lee, she is an eleven year old girl in the middle of the apocalypse who struggles in vain to control situations beyond her ability. Season 2 reminds us that there are no real happy endings in the Walking Dead, if we think we found one then that is only an illusion. It is only in later installments when Clementine is older and stronger (emotionally and physically) does she start gaining more agency and even then it is tenuous. I know my poorly explained interpretation is in the minority but I feel that even in a choice based game there are situations where people are powerless to change things. Most people hate being dis-empowered in a video game so I guess it is natural that many people dislike this season. However in my opinion the real decisions in this season is not how we change other people or the world, but how we shape Clementine as a person. That is the only choice we really have and I believe the game does a fine job in letting us shape Clementine into how we wish her to be......which is promptly undone in the next season :-P
They relied on the already liked Kenny heavily instead of developing characters like Nick and Sarah. They also made Luke useless as he literally does nothing apart from be likeable. Also throwing away Pete in so early was stupid especially since they didn’t follow through with Nicks arc.
I feel like Luke was one of the few new season 2 characters that wasn't useless, but the way they ended his story was. It should've been and Kenny and Luke showdown at the end, although I don't know how they would've made that happen. Luke is much more level-headed than both Jane and Kenny. It probably wouldn't have come down to a fight like it did with Jane unless they made Luke do some out of character shit
@@tmm4195 what had Luke really done besides give the group false hope about him breaking them out of Karver’s camp? And all of his deaths were stupid and a result of telltale not knowing what to do with his character. each and every way he died in that lake were stupid as fuck especially the scene where a walker grabs his leg and pull him to the bottom. That was completely asspull considering the walker wasn’t sinking until Luke grabbed it and then it somehow has the ability to grip his leg?????
@@tmm4195 I think the best way for Luke and Kenny to butt heads is this, Luke at first was calm and rational and was the de-facto leader of his group. But he and Kenny don't see eye to eye as Kenny can be impulsive and aggressive in how he does things. If Luke was captured early and he was stuck in that cage with Kenny, we can see the difference between there personalities unfold. As Kenny make irrational decisions, Luke counters Kenny but when Kenny decisions lead to Lukes friends getting killed. Lukes cool starts to slip an he butts heads with Kenny even more, especially with Luke having 5 minutes with Jane as Luke is already stress out and would make one big mistake. Jane explains to Clem the Luke and Kenny are polar opposites as she's seen this kind of thing before and this time she permanently leaves the group as she knows ahead of time how this will end. An things play out like in Canon both's arguments get more violent and leads to both emotionally manipulating Clem to take there side in all this which. Luke cool and train of taught as not the same as all his friends have died one by one, just as much as Kenny has lost his which promps Luke to hide AJ in a car and instigate a fight with Kenny, as in his mind he wanted a reason to take Kenny out. By making him the villain in Clems eyes, which leads to the fighting and killing each other.
@@mauzzed9061 Like I said, how they killed Luke was stupid and forced, but I feel like he was at least a well-written character that wasn’t completely wasted unlike most of the other new characters from this season. Still should’ve been him at the end. It felt like that’s what the story was building us up too
@@silentecho92able I like a lot of what you said, however, I think Luke hiding AJ would’ve been way too out of character for Luke. He’s too rational to put AJ’s life at risk just to prove a point. It’s not surprising coming from Jane, but Luke doing it wouldn’t make sense. Something else would have to instigate that fight that doesn’t require hiding AJ. Maybe Luke truly losing AJ which sets Kenny off and starts the fight and then later they find him or something like that.
I honestly did like TNF, but I will say the last season left a little bit of a sour patch in my mouth. It has probably some of the better character exploration of the series in my opinion, but the whole last season just doesn't feel right, even with TNF added in. At least I more or less liked the characters Javier's experience introduced, why would the series make Clem suddenly branch way out, and then stumble upon a bunch of kids randomly who magically have never been discovered supposedly? The WHOLE game's setting just feels different to the rest of the game.
Big problem with season two is that nothing seems to matter. You’re just watching a story unfold. That was forced, because Kevin Brunner. Forced too many script changes. And then just walked away from the destruction. The dark story would’ve been fine would’ve. Sounds great. Just changed the horrific. Soul crushing ending.
Honestly all of episode 4 and Luke's death made me dislike the game, episode 4 is very poorly written and Luke's death actually made me angry rather than sad it felt forced as hell, luke definitely deserved better
Season 2 is the most over hated season of the franchise, hell even the new frontier gets more appreciation than this seasons at this point. I mean yeah season 2 has it issues , but it’s still a good season the first three episodes are the best , and surpass some of season 1 episodes, and over the course of the season we see Clem grow as a character as she’s learning how to survive without Lee to protect while the cast aren’t people’s fav, I say that works because it makes them real people with different perspectives, and while carver was killed off too early , He’s still a better villain compared to other villains because of how influential he is after he dies , his words haunts the whole group and his whole rant with clementine was done well as for example Sarah was shown in episode 4 that she wasn’t moving , and it again goes back to what carver said , Sarah wasn’t ready for the world, so it was better to not let her weight the group down . all he said in season 2 goes beyond in TNF and the final season, and all in all season 2 was essential to her character going forward where she loses her innocence throughout the season, and then learning to raise aj, so yeah season 2 has it flaws, but I still say it’s a good season for how it’s still in a way influences the other seasons for better or for worse.
Honestly I did like aspects of TNF, and I think the last season was still pretty good, but season two definitely could have focused a little more on some characters. Hell, there are some characters like Luke, maybe Sarah (who realistically should have been tweaked if she was always intended to die, IMO), maybe even Jane. Shit just ramped up the pace of the story unnecessarily, and this lead to all of the characters that were "filler" just being filler. At the end of the day, the story is just that; a story. I don't want filler characters just because, especially if they REALLY have some good potential.
Season 2 was just Better than season 1 for me. the scenes were more emotional for example Kenny's Leaving for Clementime or Kenny Dying in the end and what makes s2 better is that build up the hype until kenny arrives. omid dies, Christa is lost and we think that we're the only one from s1 but when we see kenny its so much better and some characters are so much better for example Jane is better than Molly or christa, Luke is better and only Lee is not overshadowed or any better characters than lee thats why S2 in my opinion and the 7 endings make it better and in my opinion ending 5 is the best
I hate everything about Season 2. Everyone was a complete idiot and painted Kenny as a horrible person that doesn’t care about anyone but himself even though he cares about Clementine and AJ.
He cared about Sarita too and was the only adult making AJ a priority while Mike and Bonnie were glazing over Arvo,they cared more about a kid who tried to kill them than a literal newborn,Kenny also named him AJ to honor what a good man Alvin waa
Nobody painted Kenny as horrible person that doesn't care about anyone but himself, but alright. Just aggressive and unhinged man. No need to lie and make everything so dramatic. Considering that you're bot or AI, I don't expect human discussion with you lol.
But kenny was unstable like he smacked clem and didn't agree with the others always start arguing he expects everyone to say yes to him when he literally endanger the whole group with his idea goin to willington I know it was real but they were trying to avoid the cold for aj but kenny wants to go further in the snow endangering AJ and the others for example like literally no one survived except kenny, jane, AJ, clem bc of his anger everyone is afraid of kenny no one has the strength to slap kenny in the face oh i wish lee was alive so he can talk some sense into him like in the train scene and his words is like referring to kenny S2 so please don't act like kenny is Saint he ain't
Idc what people say this season is great I love it, imo the first 3 episodes are up there with seasons 1 episodes imo this season is miles better then season 3 and 4
NGL, the whole thing with Luke and Jane sleeping together bit was a big part of what killed the game for me, it was pointless and had no reason to be there. That and Sarah's extremely stupid death where she VERY EASILY could've been saved. She did not deserve to die at all, and this game literally killed the whole entire series for me. I didn't even finish it and I haven't bothered even looking into anything following it. It was THAT bad. I can't even look back on the original game with as much fondness as I used to because this thing is such a stain.
it's pretty clear that after the success of TWD season 1. Telltale ambition became too high. During the development of TWD ss2, Telltale also developed The wolf among us season 1. TWD ss2 ep 4 got rush by the deadline and both ep 4, 5 got completely rewritten the story cause most of the employee, budget, developer were moved for the finale episode of TWAU. Telltale could have focused on TWD ss2 after the success of season 1 but no.
@@Hunter-pn9dlI honestly think the only best seasons are season 1 and 4. Seasons that are between them - bad (or average at best). Both were rushed and had all of the potential to be great, if not for a certain someone at Telltale who ruined both of those games.
I like all of them for what they are, but S2 and S3 are definitely the weakest, with S3 being the absolute weakest, and my main reason for that is Gabe. That annoying little shit is the main reason I don't like S3 that much.
I feel like if they make another game then they should make it to where it's like Beyond Two Souls because that game was literally story driven ok your choices or even take Cyberpunk for an example. Also for a new TWD game i could think of many spinoffs that could be short or a whole game and maybe a whole franchise because of the many characters we run into throughout the franchise
Thank you! I always felt like season 2 nothing you actually picked mattered, everyone around still died in BS ways or the story would kill someone off for no reason. Season 2 was a big misstep, 400 days have little to no impact at all, and Talltale later went out of business for a while in 2018 and Clem story went unfinished till the company got taken over, so it made me not really care about the series for a while. I haven't played anything post season 2 but I'll pick up the series some day in the future.
If it was a one and done game, perfect. But as a series, Lee needed to be around for at least 2 games. Not as a memory. It would have been more heart wrenching, better story wise, if Clem got bit in Season 1's ending. Have had Season 2 be Lee being a loner that crosses path with a weak group, and you choose to help survive. Either through empathy or teaching them to detach.
@@buddyfett1341Clem being bitten would have been more heart wrenching but It would have been viewed negatively by the fanbase. Maybe people wouldn't have been interested in season 2 at all if Clem wasn't there.
@@buddyfett1341Not really a bad decision. They can make a story about Clem learning to keep moving forward or something like that. His death is important for her arc. Problem is, this game has bad writing. Had the writers been given more time, it could've been great.
@@buddyfett1341oh, and I agree with the idea of a second ending for season 1, where it's Clem, who gets bit, and Lee basically goes through what Kenny went. I think even making Kenny a playable character in that game wouldn't be a bad idea, since they both suffered pretty much the same and Kenny could help Lee.
I never understood the hate for jane. I feel i was connecting with her becasue she was part of the group. I understand her wanting to leave but she taught clem a lot and i appreciate that in janes character. I wish they did there deaths better in season 3.
Nope what you saying is wrong she's to easy to give up and go from wanting to help to leaving someone behind I'd Clem was in Sarah shoes she would've left her there to die without issue and what she did with AJ was really f up
@jarvisfowlkes3200 She/came back because of Clem. Sarah was too long gone to be saved, all thanks to Carlos. She saw potential in Clem but Jane was a loner. The AJ situation was bad, that's where she screwed up. The outcome after that is still the same.
@@Hunter-pn9dl i liked her till the moment she has to prove a point by either dying or making clem kill kenny. my choice tho is to kill kenny and the go alone with aj.
It's obviously flawed, especially due to amid the ruins really showing signs of rushed development, but overall, it's a very well written season with many well made characters that all have interesting flaws and relationships with eachother. Many of teh moments in the season reach peak season 1 level which none of the others reach. Nick's death and Sarah's second death are the only massive problems with the season. I'd say overall s2 is better than s3 and s4 but worse than s1.
Carver getting killed off so early really set the season back for me. There was next to nothing for the group to do for the last 2 episodes but wander around. The wasted 400 days characters was a massive missed opportunity to.
Season 2 was one of the biggest disappointments in gaming. Ever. Frankly, at this point, if anyone hasn't played these games yet, I would only recommend playing the first season. Season 3 and especially 4 are actually not bad at all but they don't offer an "ending" to Clementine's story, which was the only reason I kept playing past season 1 anyway.
@@afellowvoluntaryist195 Because it's not a conclusion to the story in any meaningful way, it's simply where they decided to stop the story. There's still dangers of zombies, bad people, and starvation. She's not gonna live a happily ever after with that group because if The Walking Dead taught us anything, it's that nothing ever lasts. It's a well written season, and I love all the callbacks they made to season 1 and how Clem is now the new Lee to AJ, but by no means does Season 4 have anything specific that makes it the long awaited conclusion for this world. It's pretty much a self contained narrative that is definitely not a must-play in my opinion.
@@drdramatik Literally none of this is true because of the ending of the comics, as you obviously haven't read them. Keep that in mind. Telltale's TWD is a SPINOFF story based in the universe of the comics. It's not the main story. This would be like complaining about the ending of a Star Wars spinoff story because it's not an ending for the whole galaxy that concludes the entire franchise as a whole.
I think the fact that Clem’s choices don’t impact much makes sense because in the real world no adults are gonna listen to an 11 year old girl especially in conflict they would most likely tune her out.
well if that's the case then she shouldn't have been the main character, as much as I hate to say it. why play as someone who can't really influence the story on their own?
"This choice does not matter because this person will die either way" lol this sums up the entire season.
the entire series actually.
@@TheMildrekyeah but at least in season 1 they all have a big moment before they die, and conrad also can live throughout all of season 3
@@TheMildrek well at least there were a couple of exceptions like Ben lasting for another episode (I think) or Conrad lasting the whole season.
Season 1 may not have a lot of choices with consequences, but season 2 is why people say TWDG choices don't matter. S1 had some important character development be present or end depending on your choices, but S2 is so static that it doesn't matter if you were rude to Sarah or threaten Rebecca in episode 1, they both still die. Kenny/Jane will still go with you even if you sided more with the other and you still get AJ in the end.
@TheMildrek season 3 has some choices that matter
Playing as Clem and Kenny coming back were major highlights for me
Kenny was the backbone of Season 2.
They should not have killed Omid and just vanished Christa. Jane was a terrible character. Carver was killed way too soon and should have been the antagonist of the entire season, not just the first few episodes. Arvo was pointless. They rushed so much of this season and everyone's character development suffered because of it. When I had to make that choice at the end, there was no way I was going to off Kenny for someone I just met who kept on leaving. Jane offs herself anyway, even if you do leave with her, which is infuriating and solidifies your choices don't matter.
Kenny carried season 2 hard
They did him so bogus in the story too… pulled up to his friends cabin, got his friends killed, then got them captured, resulting in his new girlfriends death… the crash out was inevitable lmao
As a non Kenny fan, I can agree to this tbh. Most of the cast was horrendous and annoying
Luke was also good
No it was Clementine 😂
@@brianachim2670Deadass, Kenny towards the end of season 2 starting becoming one of the most irrationally irate characters of the entire series to the point of annoyance and frustration.
Season 2 has a great setup - with a disjointed group where every member has a clear flaw and room to develop over the course of the season. Yet the writers choose to give no one meaningful development and kill them off instead. Nick just dies, Rebecca's change in attitude seems forced and not meaningful, Carlos just dies, Sarah just dies etc. No one seems to improve for the better or have any story arcs
And worst of all in my opinion is they tried so hard to make Kenny like some psychopath in the making when all he did was protecting clem and AJ, and hardly shown much signs of being genuinely crazy - he had to do all that for their security
and everyone, doesnt seem to understand that - being in the world they already lived in for years
@@Cruddy129Nah Kenny was definitely unhinged in this season and it wasn’t the worst thing this season did
@@Cruddy129Kenny was definitely kind of crazy. This doesn’t mean that I blame him for feeling and acting this way, but he still doesn’t handle things correctly and goes out of line.
this is how i feel is the reason why people was starting to hate on TellTale and what signed off their death warrants since people grew to not trust their whole "choices matter" formula
Or rather, the illusion of choice
Whats the point of using a "choices matter" mechanic, if you hardly make choices have an impact in the overall story? Its just straight up lying to us that we make choices when the plot doesnt
I agree, and that’s probably the reason why Telltale’s games went down in sales.
You can see that Telltale did try to shake things up in Batman TEW, and TWD Final Season. However by that point they already filed for bankruptcy.
I’m scared that they’re making the same mistakes, they kept hyping up TWAU Season 2 and then say “it’s not finished” on the deadline.
"you'll have some choices on how it ends but it'll always end the same anyway" like how does that even work 😅
@@nevaehonrefni Minor changes. In character attitudes or responses.
@ Choices sort of matters. It changes the story, but not the overall plot.
But they didn’t put effort into improving their formula, playing Telltale different games feels like playing the same game over and over.
@@xXMrTweedyGamerXx in the final TWD season it was cheap anyways because they only allowed you so much more becuase that was the end and you didnt have to figure out the story
Season 2 would be massively better if they only replaced Jane with Molly, Russian Group with 400 Days characters, if Kenny and Luke fought at the end (optional actually, better replaced with Carver being antagonist for entire season and even more than one season) and if some of the choices really matter, such as sparing Nick with him having further role to play later, and Sarah being taught how to use gun etc.
As much as I would've loved to see Molly again because shes my favorite outside Lee, and Clem...I like Jane. But the end of the game had her out of character, all they had to do was not have her do what she did with AJ cuz I made no sense for her specifically to do that. Honestly, if Jane had eventually left like she originally planned that would've been fine too.
16:09 honestly I completely agree with you. But I just like Alvin. For the soul fact, he reminds me of myself. Alvin is, one of only two characters that I cared about in season two. Besides Kenny. Mike was fine. Until, episode five of the game decided that you really needed to hate Kenny. Even though he’s right. Most of the time.
there is SO much cut content from season 2, it’s the most mysterious shit ever
Christa and Omid should have been Alvin and Rebecca
Carver died too soon
Nick and Sarah amounted to nothing
Luke got replaced with Jane halfway through the season
Nothing was done with the 400 days cast
Mike should have been Russell
The way they drop the ball completely with Luke because honestly it would had been Kenny and Luke at the end. Why in the heck would I let Clem kill an old friend over some random women that is quick to run away and has no real connection to Clem, when said women also thought it be best to poke the bear just to prove a point. I know in Season 3, nothing matters and the writers are quick to write off this season with the only thing sticking is the boy.
We need videos on the St. Johns, Vernon and his group.
i just played this season and you can see the drop in quality compared to the first one
S2 imo has the worst group of all 4 seasons s4 kids were anoying but they were interesting
I always assumed Nick died to blood loss from the gunshot wound he got in the shoulder running after Luke and Sarah
I hated most of the new characters and the fact the choices you made didn't matter such as helping Sarah I really wish she could've grown with clem. I also hate Bonnie and Arvo so much
Most of the problems with Season 2 was
Because the first season won game of the year in 2012 these executives at Telltale rushed too fast at a quick cash grab to ride the wave and it felt rushed
And the background characters didn't have any hints of their previous behavior and ways before the apocalypse or before you meet them as Clementine
It felt very little was at stake besides avoiding Carvers and his people until AJ was born really
But yeah overall if this game and it's developers were given more time to flesh out backgrounds and
Find ways to add higher stakes
Like Choosing Between Luke or Kenny than rather Jane and Kenny
For examples then it would've been essentially and more unique than we got
In my honest opinion
S2 wasn’t a cash grab lol
@DeadX2 sure felt like it with how rushed it was
@@DeadX2someone doesn't understand how cash grabs work lol
Choose between Luke or Kenny wouldve been way more emotional and hard hitting than Jane and Kenny
@ I do but they weren’t ever greedy lol
The Boat God and Luke were the only likable characters in Season 2 (aside from Clementine obv)
Boat God 😂
Mike was good until the end
@@crowsnest1510 I liked him until he became gay for Arvo
@KennyGodofBoats Bruh, I'm pissed that Season 4 had no follow up like it did with Lilly. I would've loved to have a scene where you get revenge on Arvo, or choose to let him live, but let's be honest, I don't think anyone would choose that except out of morbid curiosity.
@@TheRealBaldEagle Arvo most likely died in the cold seeing as he had nowhere to go. Serves that rusky right.
Kenny is life
The thing with the choices in this season imo is that whatever we chose, the character that lived will be as well as dead, what I try to say is, for example, in season 1 if you save Ben by the end, he ends up dying anyway, BUT the big difference is how the characters are affected by this and how different the story goes, for example if you let him die, Kenny would miss on character development even if he end up going away anyway, the coices don't really matter but at least we had a bit different story for some characters, bu then in season 2, wait, you saved THIS character? Well we hadn't planned for that so they will stay on the back and do absolutely nothing until they die and you can do nothing about it. Btw, I still think that Clem AJ Sarita group would have been awesome if they had developed the character good enough...
THIS!!! Ben still dies but has some development not only to his self but also Kenny and helps the group escape the house before he dies. In season 2 I noticed how if you save nick he literally has no involvement in episode 3. I like how we can push back when a person dies but it’s useless when they stop popping up on screen until they die.
I wish they had implemented the beta gloomy concept better. And it would have been the game of the year, no way around it.
Kev bruner and whoever else fucked up season 2’s story that many of the writers were against. They had good ideas that were thought through and made sure everything was precise. Unfortunately, their hardwork was thrown out the window for a rushed story.
I remember seeing a video were someone said that this season was Clemintines transition into becoming Lee, this is why most of her choices dont have long lasting effects leading up to the final choice between Jane and Kenny, and I mostly agree with this idea of the story.
Now this view on the story has like a million plotholes to it 😅 but I treasured this season so much because it was the first telltale game I ever got the chance to play, and I feel this story can be interperated in many ways.
in the background when you're running away from the bandits during the beginning, you can hear christa scream and then a gun shot follows after. she got killed by them
yeah but she could still have lived the voice actor for Clem said she always thought she was still alive and in early versions of season 4 like script writing days she was considered for Lily's place in season 4
This season has so many issues l feel like if lee lived so many problems could been avoided not to mention clem has to do almost everything despite she is a child and your choices don't matter over people you try to save end up dying anyways and how hard this game attempt to make me believe kenny was bad guy for beating on avro who still ambush us even if you didn't robbed him and if you was trying be nice to him when he was temporary with the group he still shoots clem in the end after he, mike and Bonnie steal our supplies screw that bastard l wish kenny killed him when he has the chance at least my clem stay with him and aj as l didn't want be separated from him and they had family moments in season 3 before he was killed in the car accident wish his death could been better but he with his family and lee now so he doesn't suffer anymore 😢
Dude, punctuation.
@Ryzen776 dude no need be rude about correcting me
"Take Kenny, Jane and maybe Luke out of the equation, without these characters what do we have?"
A cast of useless characters lmao. Some had their moments but died early while the others were dumb and died later. Im giving Rebecca a pass since she was pregnant throughout the season. I see her role as making things complicated which she did (plus she had some of that sarcastic humor like Larry which i find funny personally).
About describing season 2 as clementine's search for a new Lee, i can kinda see it
Luke was there providing with emotional guidance teaching clem the importance of family and people you can trust
Kenny is the OG
Jane was taught the importance of survival teaching Clem skills and techniques
Heck as i much as i hate Bonnie i will say she had like 5 minutes of glory looking out for Clem, until she did a 180 and threw that character development out the window
However if you look at the whole season, Clem was pretty much doing all the heavy lifting. Every time a crisis occurs, Clem has managed to take care of herself and others. The whole point of her searching for a "Lee" cant really be applied.
Throughout the game Clem has made choices that dont do anything at all. Characters even brush off what she says even tho she has fully proven herself and shown that she actually can think rationally at times. I will say that only at the end where she tries to stop Kenny and Jane from killing each other, her choices where she just gets completely ignored is something i appreciate from a story perspective. Her inability to change prevent this outcome in addition to the atmosphere of being a 11 year old child. being in the middle of nowhere with no food, no shelter, a new born baby that "died", a raging blizzard and your two remaining adults that are at each others throats about to kill each other really set the whole hopeless situation with her taking the gun being the only option. That i liked. Other times where she gets ignored is just dumb XD.
I loved all the seasons of the main storyline of The Walking Dead. I do think that dynamic with Lee and Clementine was the best part of the first season, that his death, it developed who she would grow to become. I did love that choice that Lee gives Omid and Christa his blessing to be her guardians, she needed that balance, where she has a mother and father figure to raise. When Omid died and Clemente was crying about it, I did have tears, since she felt really guilty because he told her to mind her gear and keep it within reach. I do think Christa is depressed about what happened, though she basically promised Lee that her and Omid would protect her, taking care of her
also i already commented this, but if it is ok could you tell me how you make your videos? i would love to make twd videos, and you are one of my favorite twd creators.
Even with all these flaws it’s still one of my favorite season
YO LENNY THE GOAT
Season 3 is BY FAR WORSE! Its filler, Clementine is a side character, the side cast is terrible, it’s all about family drama, the villains are worst
S2 is about who clem can trust more, and development as a person. Itachi at 11 was giving to adults, and it’s been stated she’s not a normal little girl.
Kenny is by far the best written character in the whole series. S 2 is his redemption arc. Him sacrificing himself to save Clem & Aj at Wellington is the best ending in the series. The final choices matter because the other 3 endings are terrible. S2 has the best villain, and he made it entertaining, parallels with the villain & with Kenny, plot twist, emotional moments, comedy. This season is arguably the most enjoyable with S1.
Honestly I mean S3 was pretty aight in my opinion. I do agree, it could have actually went somewhere different, but I still did like the story overall, even if it kind of felt lackluster near the end in certain points.
I personally would love if the series was remade in a remake quadrilogy to make the choices actually matter and fix parts of the over encompassing story.
I wish the video was longer considering that only the last 3 minutes of the video is an actual review.
Would’ve talked about the impact Season 2 had on TWD franchise and the downfall of Telltale Games.
Kenny paraplegic
After they escape from carver the whole half part of the season fell off i just hated every character but kenny making him seem like a evil guy 💀
Everybody still alive after episode 3 but Clem and Kenny were very annoying and had super cringe dialogue, they probably should've had this season end with a proper conclusion at Howe's
Honestly for a long time I was very confused as to why so many people disliked season 2 and after watching several videos of people talking about it I think I understand a bit better. They wanted season 1 but with Clementine, having the influence of Lee but with the character of Clementine.
Now this is all my opinion and everyone has the right to disagree (you probably will :-P )
I never really saw the game the above way, Season 2's main theme to me is dis-empowerment. You are playing as an 11 year old child, the very idea that you could influence events and change the world is impossible. The very act of survival is nearly impossible for an adult in this setting, for a child death is a near certainty.
Clementine spends the entire season in a futile struggle with fate, she tries her best to save everyone around her, to control things and she fails every time.
Despite what you do you cannot save Christa and Omid, this isn't the game taking away your choices this is you being a child. Clementine should never have been allowed to go into that bathroom by herself. The adults should have check out both of the rooms then they all should have gone into one together, their bad choices caused their downfall. Clementine learned a lot of lessons in the first game but she is still a child, a mature one who is very skilled but also one whose bad decisions in the first game got multiple people killed.
Clementine cannot stop Carver from entering the house, and no matter how well she lies Carver powers his way through. Despite everything she has gone through she is a child in a world where most adults can do little but survive.
I believe meeting Kenny is a great way for the story to progress. Kenny has been broken by the harsh world and struggles to grab at any life line he can to keep his head above water. He is a poor substitute for Lee and he knows it. He tries his best to take that command role but he just isn't made for it.
Clementine while comically is asked to do so much for the adults is mainly there for the player to have a degree of agency. Logically she wouldn't always be thrust into situations where she has to bail out a room full of adults but this is a video game after all. However the game shows us that despite our efforts we don't have the power to meaningfully change the situation. Season 2 is gut punch after gut punch to remind us of our powerlessness. We can make all of the right decisions but we will still fail in the end because we are a child trying to do far more then we can.
We steal the radio for Luke only to have him get captured right after, we help everyone when they get captured by Carver but we cannot stop them from panicking while going through the herd. No matter what choice we make with Sarita she is going to die. Cutting off her hand? That is an insane choice that the player keeps getting told might work. First from Pete, then we see that Reggie survived a bite by getting his arm amputated. So naturally when we see Sarita bit on the wrist we are led to think that we can save her by cutting her hand off. But we are forgetting how Lee reacted if he gets his arm cut off, he screams through the whole thing. The idea that Sarita would just calmly stand there as you hack off her arm can only be considered through the eyes of a panicking child. Of course she is going to scream and freak out thus causing every walker around her to grab her. We are given a choice of how to see her die because we are powerless to prevent it.
Now, I hate Arvo. The fact that even if you give him back his medicine and inform him that you have a newborn child with you he and his people still insist on robbing you thus knowingly decide to murder a baby. Then all of a sudden the majority of your group treat him like an innocent victim after Luke is shot and most of you almost die. Plus he shoots you at the end no matter how nice you try to be to him so I will always hate him and feel no sympathy towards him.
The final confrontation between Kenny and Jane I think perfectly ends the season. Here are two people who hate each other but still both care for Clementine in their own unhealthy way. No matter how much Clementine tries to separate the two she is just shoved out of the way. She cannot stop what is happening any more then she could have stopped Carver from wandering around the house in episode 2. One of her guardians will die and Clementine's only choice is who dies, this is the only "real" choice she has the power to make. She couldn't stop anything before hand and only after taking so much loss can she finally have the power to end things and it is a horrible choice.
Anyway I am rambling way too much but to try to end this long post, I love Season 2 because I don't think Clementine's choices should matter in a big way. She isn't Lee, she is an eleven year old girl in the middle of the apocalypse who struggles in vain to control situations beyond her ability. Season 2 reminds us that there are no real happy endings in the Walking Dead, if we think we found one then that is only an illusion. It is only in later installments when Clementine is older and stronger (emotionally and physically) does she start gaining more agency and even then it is tenuous.
I know my poorly explained interpretation is in the minority but I feel that even in a choice based game there are situations where people are powerless to change things. Most people hate being dis-empowered in a video game so I guess it is natural that many people dislike this season. However in my opinion the real decisions in this season is not how we change other people or the world, but how we shape Clementine as a person. That is the only choice we really have and I believe the game does a fine job in letting us shape Clementine into how we wish her to be......which is promptly undone in the next season :-P
Bro would cook with ‘what ifs’
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They relied on the already liked Kenny heavily instead of developing characters like Nick and Sarah. They also made Luke useless as he literally does nothing apart from be likeable. Also throwing away Pete in so early was stupid especially since they didn’t follow through with Nicks arc.
I feel like Luke was one of the few new season 2 characters that wasn't useless, but the way they ended his story was. It should've been and Kenny and Luke showdown at the end, although I don't know how they would've made that happen. Luke is much more level-headed than both Jane and Kenny. It probably wouldn't have come down to a fight like it did with Jane unless they made Luke do some out of character shit
@@tmm4195 what had Luke really done besides give the group false hope about him breaking them out of Karver’s camp? And all of his deaths were stupid and a result of telltale not knowing what to do with his character. each and every way he died in that lake were stupid as fuck especially the scene where a walker grabs his leg and pull him to the bottom. That was completely asspull considering the walker wasn’t sinking until Luke grabbed it and then it somehow has the ability to grip his leg?????
@@tmm4195 I think the best way for Luke and Kenny to butt heads is this, Luke at first was calm and rational and was the de-facto leader of his group. But he and Kenny don't see eye to eye as Kenny can be impulsive and aggressive in how he does things. If Luke was captured early and he was stuck in that cage with Kenny, we can see the difference between there personalities unfold. As Kenny make irrational decisions, Luke counters Kenny but when Kenny decisions lead to Lukes friends getting killed. Lukes cool starts to slip an he butts heads with Kenny even more, especially with Luke having 5 minutes with Jane as Luke is already stress out and would make one big mistake.
Jane explains to Clem the Luke and Kenny are polar opposites as she's seen this kind of thing before and this time she permanently leaves the group as she knows ahead of time how this will end. An things play out like in Canon both's arguments get more violent and leads to both emotionally manipulating Clem to take there side in all this which. Luke cool and train of taught as not the same as all his friends have died one by one, just as much as Kenny has lost his which promps Luke to hide AJ in a car and instigate a fight with Kenny, as in his mind he wanted a reason to take Kenny out. By making him the villain in Clems eyes, which leads to the fighting and killing each other.
@@mauzzed9061 Like I said, how they killed Luke was stupid and forced, but I feel like he was at least a well-written character that wasn’t completely wasted unlike most of the other new characters from this season. Still should’ve been him at the end. It felt like that’s what the story was building us up too
@@silentecho92able I like a lot of what you said, however, I think Luke hiding AJ would’ve been way too out of character for Luke. He’s too rational to put AJ’s life at risk just to prove a point. It’s not surprising coming from Jane, but Luke doing it wouldn’t make sense. Something else would have to instigate that fight that doesn’t require hiding AJ. Maybe Luke truly losing AJ which sets Kenny off and starts the fight and then later they find him or something like that.
i know the second game is not as good neither are any of the sequels but I still just like all of the games
I honestly did like TNF, but I will say the last season left a little bit of a sour patch in my mouth. It has probably some of the better character exploration of the series in my opinion, but the whole last season just doesn't feel right, even with TNF added in. At least I more or less liked the characters Javier's experience introduced, why would the series make Clem suddenly branch way out, and then stumble upon a bunch of kids randomly who magically have never been discovered supposedly? The WHOLE game's setting just feels different to the rest of the game.
S2 will forever be my most hated season.
This video is nothing more than a retelling of a second game. Disappointing
Big problem with season two is that nothing seems to matter. You’re just watching a story unfold. That was forced, because Kevin Brunner. Forced too many script changes. And then just walked away from the destruction. The dark story would’ve been fine would’ve. Sounds great. Just changed the horrific. Soul crushing ending.
Honestly all of episode 4 and Luke's death made me dislike the game, episode 4 is very poorly written and Luke's death actually made me angry rather than sad it felt forced as hell, luke definitely deserved better
Season 2 is the most over hated season of the franchise, hell even the new frontier gets more appreciation than this seasons at this point.
I mean yeah season 2 has it issues , but it’s still a good season the first three episodes are the best , and surpass some of season 1 episodes, and over the course of the season we see Clem grow as a character as she’s learning how to survive without Lee to protect
while the cast aren’t people’s fav, I say that works because it makes them real people with different perspectives, and while carver was killed off too early , He’s still a better villain compared to other villains because of how influential he is after he dies , his words haunts the whole group and his whole rant with clementine was done well as for example Sarah was shown in episode 4 that she wasn’t moving , and it again goes back to what carver said , Sarah wasn’t ready for the world, so it was better to not let her weight the group down .
all he said in season 2 goes beyond in TNF and the final season, and all in all season 2 was essential to her character going forward where she loses her innocence throughout the season, and then learning to raise aj, so yeah season 2 has it flaws, but I still say it’s a good season for how it’s still in a way influences the other seasons for better or for worse.
Use line breaks.
It makes your comment a lot more legible.
@ ohh ok , thx :)
Honestly I did like aspects of TNF, and I think the last season was still pretty good, but season two definitely could have focused a little more on some characters. Hell, there are some characters like Luke, maybe Sarah (who realistically should have been tweaked if she was always intended to die, IMO), maybe even Jane. Shit just ramped up the pace of the story unnecessarily, and this lead to all of the characters that were "filler" just being filler. At the end of the day, the story is just that; a story. I don't want filler characters just because, especially if they REALLY have some good potential.
Season 2 was just Better than season 1 for me. the scenes were more emotional for example Kenny's Leaving for Clementime or Kenny Dying in the end and what makes s2 better is that build up the hype until kenny arrives. omid dies, Christa is lost and we think that we're the only one from s1 but when we see kenny its so much better and some characters are so much better for example Jane is better than Molly or christa, Luke is better and only Lee is not overshadowed or any better characters than lee thats why S2 in my opinion and the 7 endings make it better and in my opinion ending 5 is the best
Likely why they went bankrupt 😂
I hate everything about Season 2. Everyone was a complete idiot and painted Kenny as a horrible person that doesn’t care about anyone but himself even though he cares about Clementine and AJ.
He cared about Sarita too and was the only adult making AJ a priority while Mike and Bonnie were glazing over Arvo,they cared more about a kid who tried to kill them than a literal newborn,Kenny also named him AJ to honor what a good man Alvin waa
@ Exactly
Nobody painted Kenny as horrible person that doesn't care about anyone but himself, but alright. Just aggressive and unhinged man. No need to lie and make everything so dramatic. Considering that you're bot or AI, I don't expect human discussion with you lol.
@@AwesomeLaggyexactly I never understand that lol
But kenny was unstable like he smacked clem and didn't agree with the others always start arguing he expects everyone to say yes to him when he literally endanger the whole group with his idea goin to willington I know it was real but they were trying to avoid the cold for aj but kenny wants to go further in the snow endangering AJ and the others for example like literally no one survived except kenny, jane, AJ, clem bc of his anger everyone is afraid of kenny no one has the strength to slap kenny in the face oh i wish lee was alive so he can talk some sense into him like in the train scene and his words is like referring to kenny S2 so please don't act like kenny is Saint he ain't
Jewelry store i think you mean the police station😂 0:56
That's not a police station bud 😮
No, they’re in a store. The zombie inside is a security guard, not a police officer.
Idc what people say this season is great I love it, imo the first 3 episodes are up there with seasons 1 episodes imo this season is miles better then season 3 and 4
Another heat vid bro
NGL, the whole thing with Luke and Jane sleeping together bit was a big part of what killed the game for me, it was pointless and had no reason to be there. That and Sarah's extremely stupid death where she VERY EASILY could've been saved. She did not deserve to die at all, and this game literally killed the whole entire series for me. I didn't even finish it and I haven't bothered even looking into anything following it. It was THAT bad. I can't even look back on the original game with as much fondness as I used to because this thing is such a stain.
it's pretty clear that after the success of TWD season 1. Telltale ambition became too high. During the development of TWD ss2, Telltale also developed The wolf among us season 1. TWD ss2 ep 4 got rush by the deadline and both ep 4, 5 got completely rewritten the story cause most of the employee, budget, developer were moved for the finale episode of TWAU.
Telltale could have focused on TWD ss2 after the success of season 1 but no.
Am I the only one who thinks that season 2 isn't as bad as people make it out to be?
It's not bad at all and is regarded by many as the best season. You're just in a community of people that don't like it
I hate when people hate season 2 but praise season 3. When season 3 was by far the worst season in the series.
@@Hunter-pn9dllmao literally who likes season 3? 😂😂😂
@@Hunter-pn9dlI honestly think the only best seasons are season 1 and 4. Seasons that are between them - bad (or average at best). Both were rushed and had all of the potential to be great, if not for a certain someone at Telltale who ruined both of those games.
I like all of them for what they are, but S2 and S3 are definitely the weakest, with S3 being the absolute weakest, and my main reason for that is Gabe. That annoying little shit is the main reason I don't like S3 that much.
Kenny did nothing wrong he had a reasonable crash out on jane
I edited it out cus it wasn't a hot take but my point still is ture mb yall
common opinion
Oh mb😂
Deleted both because both were dumb
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@@bladewolf656 I wouldn't say Kenny never did anything wrong, but he was for sure better than Jane
I feel like if they make another game then they should make it to where it's like Beyond Two Souls because that game was literally story driven ok your choices or even take Cyberpunk for an example. Also for a new TWD game i could think of many spinoffs that could be short or a whole game and maybe a whole franchise because of the many characters we run into throughout the franchise
Thank you! I always felt like season 2 nothing you actually picked mattered, everyone around still died in BS ways or the story would kill someone off for no reason. Season 2 was a big misstep, 400 days have little to no impact at all, and Talltale later went out of business for a while in 2018 and Clem story went unfinished till the company got taken over, so it made me not really care about the series for a while. I haven't played anything post season 2 but I'll pick up the series some day in the future.
In my opinion season 2 is still good and by far way better than 3 and 4.
they definitely missed on some big potential, losing Lee could well have been the wrong decision by telltale
If it was a one and done game, perfect. But as a series, Lee needed to be around for at least 2 games. Not as a memory.
It would have been more heart wrenching, better story wise, if Clem got bit in Season 1's ending. Have had Season 2 be Lee being a loner that crosses path with a weak group, and you choose to help survive. Either through empathy or teaching them to detach.
@@buddyfett1341Clem being bitten would have been more heart wrenching but It would have been viewed negatively by the fanbase. Maybe people wouldn't have been interested in season 2 at all if Clem wasn't there.
@@buddyfett1341Not really a bad decision. They can make a story about Clem learning to keep moving forward or something like that. His death is important for her arc. Problem is, this game has bad writing. Had the writers been given more time, it could've been great.
@@buddyfett1341oh, and I agree with the idea of a second ending for season 1, where it's Clem, who gets bit, and Lee basically goes through what Kenny went. I think even making Kenny a playable character in that game wouldn't be a bad idea, since they both suffered pretty much the same and Kenny could help Lee.
season 2 is my favorite
I never understood the hate for jane. I feel i was connecting with her becasue she was part of the group. I understand her wanting to leave but she taught clem a lot and i appreciate that in janes character. I wish they did there deaths better in season 3.
Nope what you saying is wrong she's to easy to give up and go from wanting to help to leaving someone behind I'd Clem was in Sarah shoes she would've left her there to die without issue and what she did with AJ was really f up
@jarvisfowlkes3200 She/came back because of Clem. Sarah was too long gone to be saved, all thanks to Carlos. She saw potential in Clem but Jane was a loner. The AJ situation was bad, that's where she screwed up. The outcome after that is still the same.
@@Hunter-pn9dl i liked her till the moment she has to prove a point by either dying or making clem kill kenny. my choice tho is to kill kenny and the go alone with aj.
New video 😁
It's obviously flawed, especially due to amid the ruins really showing signs of rushed development, but overall, it's a very well written season with many well made characters that all have interesting flaws and relationships with eachother. Many of teh moments in the season reach peak season 1 level which none of the others reach. Nick's death and Sarah's second death are the only massive problems with the season. I'd say overall s2 is better than s3 and s4 but worse than s1.
400 days had so much potential to make season 2 truly the best out of all the seasons but flopped on the characters by giving them just cameos smh
Ngl e4 felt like a filler episode then a real episode
a lot of people prefer season 2 over season 1, both are great in their own right.
1 better tbh
i like 1 for a lot of different reasons, but episode 2 in season 1 is definitely the best episode made by telltale ever
I don't think there is any aspect of season 2 that is better.
@@buddyfats4768 that’s okay, people are allowed to have opinions
Please tell me you’re going to make a video about season 3 now OMG a waste of time!!
I liked S3, it shifted the focus a bit, but I think overall it was pretty okay. I liked it about as much as S2 though...
Season 3 was better
season two felt boring, i’d honestly put it lower than the family drama filled season 3. most of my enjoyment of season 2 comes from kenny 🤷🏾♀️
Carver getting killed off so early really set the season back for me. There was next to nothing for the group to do for the last 2 episodes but wander around. The wasted 400 days characters was a massive missed opportunity to.
Hot take: twd 2nd season is way better than the first one. Doesn't give me a whole lots of unnecessary puzzles/padding like season 1
Season 2 was really disappointing they never gave you time to build connections with characters and killed them off way too fast.
Season 2 was one of the biggest disappointments in gaming. Ever.
Frankly, at this point, if anyone hasn't played these games yet, I would only recommend playing the first season. Season 3 and especially 4 are actually not bad at all but they don't offer an "ending" to Clementine's story, which was the only reason I kept playing past season 1 anyway.
How is Season 4 not an ending for Clementine's story?
@@afellowvoluntaryist195 Because it's not a conclusion to the story in any meaningful way, it's simply where they decided to stop the story. There's still dangers of zombies, bad people, and starvation. She's not gonna live a happily ever after with that group because if The Walking Dead taught us anything, it's that nothing ever lasts. It's a well written season, and I love all the callbacks they made to season 1 and how Clem is now the new Lee to AJ, but by no means does Season 4 have anything specific that makes it the long awaited conclusion for this world. It's pretty much a self contained narrative that is definitely not a must-play in my opinion.
@@drdramatik Literally none of this is true because of the ending of the comics, as you obviously haven't read them.
Keep that in mind. Telltale's TWD is a SPINOFF story based in the universe of the comics. It's not the main story.
This would be like complaining about the ending of a Star Wars spinoff story because it's not an ending for the whole galaxy that concludes the entire franchise as a whole.
I think the fact that Clem’s choices don’t impact much makes sense because in the real world no adults are gonna listen to an 11 year old girl especially in conflict they would most likely tune her out.
Lol then what's the point of playing 😂
@@waydevanniekerk7886 to play through the story
well if that's the case then she shouldn't have been the main character, as much as I hate to say it. why play as someone who can't really influence the story on their own?