Simon Jordan & Karl Robinson Debate If Thomas Tuchel Is Fit For The Man United Job 🤔 | talkSPORT
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- talkSPORT's Simon Jordan discusses with Karl Robinson if Bayern Munich manager Thomas Tuchel should be considered by Sir Jim Ratcliffe as manager at Manchester United should the club part ways with Erik ten Hag.
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Salford manager in League 2 criticising a Champions League winning manager! TalkSport in a nutshell
Never understood this logic at all, you shouldn’t be criticising a League 2 manager then as that is many many levels above where you are
@@JuliusSeizure-tw6mi I didn't criticise anybody
Don’t forget Simon Jordan. That man who bankrupted Palace. Owned them for 10 years and only one of those years was in the Prem. Yet he puts himself up there with the best owners of the game. The only real experience he has is the Andy Johnson transfer, which we hear every day, or the Dowie lawsuit.
@@JuliusSeizure-tw6mibut hes not a manager is he, moronic comment.
Jim said he’d managed at the very top level he must of believed him
Simon called Tuchel an elite manager 2 years ago, dismissed Arteta as being somebody just there to assemble the pieces before a better manager came along. No wonder he failed as a chairman.
To be fair on Arteta if he doesn’t win something next season he will have to be under pressure for his job no manager has spent more than him since he got the job can’t spend what he has and consider being runner up or getting to later stages in competitions as a success
Arsenal fans will cry about anything 😂
@@podgecoleman5519 haha no he won't
@highnoon7097 yeah he will.
@@highnoon7097 liking your own comment you absolute header 😂
So let's see Utd last 3 managers have been Ten Haag, Ole and Rangnick and you're questioning if Tuchel is fit for Utd..You could say he's actually too good for Utd compared to those 3.
Someone with that name obviously not that smart . What’s your reasoning ?
Yet he just went to Real Madrid with a 100mill world class striker, a bunch of world class players and threw away a 1-0 lead on 85mins to lose 2-1. Ten Hag went there with a bunch of Ajax academy players and won 4-2. Tuchel ain’t on Ten Hags level, that’s for sure.
Rangnick didn't get a penny so hard to judge
@@Tdoggg😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Tdoggglet’s be fair. His keeper made a clanger. Of that doesn’t happen then he’s taking Bayern to the final and probably winning it.
I would take Tuchel in a heartbeat. Good CV, don’t care if he’s difficult. We have the softest squad in history. Clear them out, back this hard head and let’s win again
I'm a Chelsea fan. Utd would be mad to pass up on Tuchel.
Agreed, he's the only world class manager on the market now. Criticising him for a recent substitution is crazy when most of ETHs substitutions are poor.
As a United fan I’d take Tuchel in a heartbeat..
Chelsea fan here. He’s a winner. Maybe he is a bit of a dick sometimes but I’m sure pep and Ferguson had their moments too. They were winners too.
@@user-mj5xl8tq3l😂😂😂
Same here
Facts a lot of your fans are turning their noses up at him yet you should consider yourselves lucky that he is even looking at your club
It's who I actually want
It's irrelevant what manager utd get next if they don't solve the other issues.
Overpriced players
Ridiculous wages
Unbalanced squad
Unrealistic expectations.
Major rebuild needed over all parts of the club.
Any manager will not change it round with the way they've operated for the last decade.
Excellent .
Players are not good enough, not enough of them anyway.
Thank you for one of the few people with brains in this general conversation. We could have gotten Pep and he’d never have won the league under the same conditions as all the managers from Moyes to ETH.
It's why klopp said no to united @@gerryg2567
Nice to see some sensible comments
Jim White acts like he's Simon's wife
He shakes his ass around in a mini skirt and waist coat for Simon
Is that what your wife does 😂 You're Lucky 🤣 Mine nags me constantly and spends my money.
@@Looney-toon i have a girlfriend but she doesn’t do that pal I do it for her
Wife and Jordan.
he is
The amount of disrespect Tuchel gets is disgusting and uncalled for..
He took a weak Chelsea to champions league trophy, took PSG to Champions league final ..
He's taken Bayern to semis and got controversially held back becuz of a linesman's mistake
The guy is a winner
it's pure jealousy from English media that no English manager is capable of doing this,
If Tuchel was English, they'd be glazing over him like hell
Ermmm Chelsea were not weak in the first 18 months under Tuchel mate, we won 3 trophies
Chelsea weren't weak.
Rudiger,Silva,azpi,kante.
Sort yourself out fella.
A Winner, well he did not win anything this year or last night, some would say because of his tactial naivety.
@@kevinspeller7403having players doesn't mean you're supposed to win..He made them win
Why didn't managers before him win with those players?? STFU!!
I managed to get to a semi this morning so what.
Am i missing something? Kane and Musiala came off injured no?
Lord Jordan's vitriol decays its vessel more each day...
true
Tuchels is an experienced manager. If United clear that squad in the summer and the board backs him in the tranfer market, I definitely Tuchel cooking
Are we really listening to the Salford manager telling us he knows better than tuchel 😂 the worlds gone mad 😂
He's defo a fit. Look how he got Munchen playing over two games vs Madrid. Ten Hag can't even get united playing for 25 min like a team.
Tuchel is a strong candidate.
He also put on a masterclass v Arsenal
Robinson worked at the highest level? You sure Jim?
Well he was assistant for 5 mins at Leeds
Jim White to Karl Robinson " you've worked in the game at the highest level." Sure
Jim just sucks up to any one mate
Was assistant to big Sam at Leeds for their last 2 weeks in the prem last season 😂😭😭
I have no idea who he is
Bayern have been declining ever since the treble win in 2020. Many core members of that team have all got older, and they have undergone major changes at boardroom level, with Kahn and Salihamidzic resigning at the end of last season. The instability at the club that Tuchel is going through now had already claimed Nagelsmann. As much as we all thought Bayern were going to win every title forever, the fact is that it was only a matter of time before it was going to end.
But how does tuchel look in a waistcoat?
People say he fell out with the people at Dortmund but I remember in 2017 when there was a bomb attack on the team bus on the day of a UCL game, and instead of giving Tuchel and the players a few days off to recover from the shock of the attack as Tuchel requested, the hierarchy instead told him that they asked UEFA to reschedule the match by ONE day. After a bomb attack that would have taken a lot more than 24 hours to recover from, and in Marc Bartra's case, injuries sustained in the attack. Understandably Tuchel wasn't best pleased, would you be? As a Chelsea fan I'd take him back in a heartbeat.
As a Chelsea fan he’s better than what we have . Would I want to see him back not really
You can’t do any worse than Erik Ten Bucks.
You can, Tuchel.
Another tough day at the office for Simon, talking about football for 3hrs a day...
Not like all those skivers working from home, especially the ones that take an hour out to pick up their kids, he hates that the most.
Simon is a work shy lout
I wander if Robinson had the same doubts about people like Lampard, Gerrard, and Solskjaer, getting top jobs with zero experience or merit. Tuchel is a better coach than all of them and Ten Hag put together.
I'm just fed up that for the second year running there's an FA Cup final I don't want to watch
Tuchel is only 50 years old and has already been everywhere, almost managing big clubs and winning trophies.
If the right structure behind
him and support he will be very good
Harry Kane cursed the manager
Sir Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Id take him at united now
They question Tuchel but at the same time push the narrative of having rubbish SOUTHGATE at UNITED??!! ABSOLUTE BONKERS!!!
It’s because he’s not English. How many times did the guy say “our country”? Smh 🤦🏻♂️
Lol yep. I see right through it, not even subtle
Southgates the perfect fit for a mid sized club like Utd pushing for Europa league.
@@thefivepoints you should try 🎾
The ref last night took the Michael in stoppage time
No he didn’t he added another 2 mins for player going down for no reason
@@willtallis5275 Even so it went past that
@@adamastill2056 it's Madrid at Madrid what else can you say lol
Cos he knew he’d shafted Bayern
They’re happy to knock a champions league winning manager from their cosy chair in the studio.
I think if Tuchel was there, he would make them both look like idiots.
Those are not fit to debate anything about a united manager
Tommy tickle would be better than Hag
10:37 Jim White sums up his entire punditry career. 🤣
I'd like to see how the manager from AM Simione would be at OT. His touchline antics are pure gold sometimes.
ETH has stood up to the players. And now they have downed tools. Until a manager is backed properly at that club.. it’ll never get better
Tuchel maybe comes across as tough character to work with but he has done pretty well at most clubs he has been at. People critizing his subs but he tried to close shop late on. He should have kept Sane and Kane on for me but managers in tight games sometimes look to go defensive. Maybe with a very good structure he can thrive. Bayern have gone thru major change at the top too so not the same stability there too
As a United fan I wouldn’t be annoyed if he got the job…and I’d jump for joy if it’s between him and Southgate😂
Davies wasn't playing LWB he came on for Gnabry who played LW didn't he.
Thomas the tanker. Why did he take Kane off 🤦♂️
The man has one of the best records in multiple countries and leagues and competitions of any coach working right now. This entire premise is insulring
He has the highest win percentage at dortmund out of any dortmund manager who has managed the club for more than one full season since 1950. The only other three managers with a higher win % than Tuchel at Dortmund managed less games combined than Tuchel did on his own
jim, karl what do you think you managed at highest level 1?!?
Karl is very insightful here although tuchel shows he learns quick. Hes very keen on the united job
Simon is so right, many a time watching United under fergie and it wasn’t flowing it was gritty and tough and painful but we won.
Simon has issues with tuchel he can't think straight
Why does he believe everything idiot Boehly told him about Tuchel? Because he's a billionaire?
Karl Robinson just said it would’ve been worse for Bayern to score and go to extra time than to be KNOCKED OUT of the competition
Good lord 😂
Been there and done this with Murinho, didn’t work and then based the next manager on picking up player attitudes. And I don’t have enough confidence that it will be a different this time because Radcliffe is running the football aspects. Need to give Ten Hag time with the right people running the club. Have a mass clear out with the players and give him time and utter backing. The players are to blame for the past few years. To much player power.
Tuchel is a good coach. We must comment based on facts and not based on like and dislike.
Tuchel is a very good coach and someone with high standards and discipline and that is what every club needs with right structure
Perhaps Tuchel should try staying at a club more than 1-2 years. Short term manager with no long term plans to stay anywhere.
Tuchel:
-Makes up unlikely excuses when his team loses
-Led a Chelsea team that finished 19 points behind City and a Bayern one lagging 15 points behind Leverkusen (!)
-Fond of convoluted, painful for the eye tactics that stifle attacking play (the same thing PL pundits hated about van Gaal)
Yes, perfect manager for Manchester United.
Jordan loves to dump on Tuchel but never got the nuts to say why.
When the Subs were made, I was astounded and IMO is when Tuchel was in desperation mode.
He's better than Southgate
Tuchel is a balanced manager with defensive inclination. It wouldn't have ever worked at Bayern. Might work at United if they give him another 400 mil maybe and he buys Lukaku tho
Yes.....is the answer.
Love how Simon’s response is always to break eggs and throw someone under the boss. Klopp, Pep and Arteta never did that - Mourinho did do that and look how it ended.
It was Neuer mistake that brought on the collapse against Real Madrid and as for the league Leverkusen aren't unbeaten all year so tightly deserve to finish above Bayern
We should be so lucky that we get a manager like Tuchel though we r so shite
He blew it last nite, took off their attacking players praying for a 1-0 when they cud hav got a 2nd instead.
Tuchel decision making under pressure is clearly humorous hence he would be perfect for being the next Man Utd manager… YNWA 💯🔥🔥🔥
Manchester United are 8th - Tuchel won the ucl at Chelsea, and he’s just got to the UCL sf, 2nd in bundesiga… Man U are shopping for Karl Robinson!!!
If I was to be a Chelsea owner today, I'll sack pochetino this morning and hire Tuchel. There're levels to these things, Tuchel is out of the league of most of these managers available.
Another day of Talksport's obsession with United. Simon keeps harping on how United get talked about too much yet he's part of a radio show that constantly speaks about United. Tuchel has far better credentials then most managers out there but let's be honest whether it's Ten Hag, Tuchel or any other manager they'd find fault
Tuchel's record speaks for itself
Eye brows raised pun intended 🤣
Well said Karl
jim shite says the guy in the right has worked at the highest level? 😂😂😂😂
Tuchel is best fit for Juventus
They did get back in to it but the refs cocked up Neuer error but ref error too so it was just luck as much as subs.
I'm not sure we need agitators at the club. Let's hope Ineos get it right. Life is short and I'd like to see Utd back on top in my lifetime.
Had Tuchel won the Budesliga and won last night, Yes. Now, absolutely too high risk to take a chance on him. MU need a winning manager with a massive ego who the players will respect when things are going wrong.
Once Utd have dissected this utter disgrace of a team, then most decent managers would be a success at Utd ! Even Ancelloti would be thrown under the bus by this lot !
Man Utd need Southgate, I've a feeling he'll take them to where they should be.
Tuchel is passionate , has a pulse ..ffs ..of course United should for him.
Maybe he didn’t have anyone other than Kim in that position but he should of done if Bayern were 2-0 up with not much time to go
In a parallel universe T Tuchel could be 3x or 4x Champions League winning manager.
Not interested in listening to a failed manager and a failed chairman in assessment of one of the best managers in the game.
As Guardiola said, football is a game of fine margins. Real Madrid created nothing all game, game plan worked to perfection. One of the greatest keepers in the game dropped a clanger and referee prematurely blew his whistle against the guidelines for the equaliser and they went out.
His PSG side outplayed Bayern in the final - Neymar pressing like a demon, Chelsea were minutes away from knocking Real Madrid out deservedly but bottled it.
Had the crony Conservative government not illegally seized an asset from Chelsea’s owner and tried to get it sold on the cheap to one of their donors - T Tuchel would still be a Chelsea manager.
At this point, we don't know if any manager could be a success at United. The club and squad is such a mess that I don't even think a prime Ferguson could make it work
It’s Erik squad now loads of players where sold when he came in and he got in nearly 20 players it’s his team and he’s still lost comtrol and can’t coach he needs to go
Tuchel a good coach but his he a very poor season not winning any trophies and he decision making of taking of Kane other night and going defensive was so bizarre. But that being said him and ten hag switching jobs could be best for Both clubs bjt im convinced potter will end up at united if ten hag does go
Couldnt do a good enough job at bayern.
The level of football knowledge is mind blowing
I am shocked he was happy to discuss future immediately after a UCL Semi Final 2nd leg DEFEAT...
I wonder if Kieran McKenna would be a good choice. I know he is unproven at this level, but he seems to know what he is doing.
Tuchel is a good manager that has the CV for a club like United. But is he somebody who can build a team. United need major surgery all over the field and to implement an attacking style of play. Tuchel seems more the kind of a manger to bring in to win you things with a squad that is already there in a pragmatic way. United need to move into the 21st century and actually start playing proper football, like what City/Arsenal/Liverpool are doing. It’s been too defensive and counter attacking ever since Ferguson retired
Man United aren’t an omelet. I’ve never heard someone use so many words to say so litttle.
Don’t want Tuchel at Utd. Doesn’t seem like the right fit. I’d rather we cleared out 15 players before sacking another manager
Harry Kane had his chances to help the team one v1 few times , he’s not a big games player
Quick answer. No. We want to keep Ten Hag there is no value in manager market this summer.
I heard Tuchel spilled Simons pint in the hospitality box once and has been a marked man ever since
Best seat in world football? smh united would be lucky to have tuchel; I hope he doesn't go as CFC fan.
Man Utd dont deserve him. Theyre an absolute embarrassment of a club.
Let’s get a scouser in to talk about United that will be a fair debate hmmmm 😂😂
He wouldn't be my choice but they certainly need a strong character to fix that mess.
I think he's perfect for the job. Hopefully he'll be given a couple hundred million quid to waste then they can get some else in to do the same in 2 years time. Perfect model for success and long may it last!
Tuchel is one of those managers that take an already built team and try to win with it. He’s paints walls, not build the foundations Man Utd need.
He’s an excellent manager..he’d put Utd in order
I don't understand the Tuchel link, it's makes no sense. We want a manager who plays exciting football and is supposed to be a long term option, who can challenge for the league. He stays everywhere a couple of years, is quite pragmatic and has 2 league titles PSG and Bayern. Good manager, but it's such a strange link
The link is because he’s the most high profile manager available and wants to return to England. It makes sense. He wants the job more than United want to offer it. The links are more his side. I think United are going to go for Potter or Southgate because they’re friends with Ashworth
@@G-fd5ugfuck me Potter or Southgate? If it’s either of those 2 we are fucked
He’s too good for United, Southgate is a perfect fit though
What will the media do without man united?. They not even playing an yet they talking about man united
Tuchel is the perfect fit for Yanited...
Real Madrid should’ve had a player sent off and the referee terrible bias how he blew the whistle early in this day an age unbelievable, Barcelona are a big trouble for paying referees in the Champions League. I wouldn’t be surprised if Real Madrid did the same.
Definitely not. Although if it's him or Southgate I'll take Tuchel all day
We have a manager thanks
There's not many managers out there who have actually won things, but Utd aren't at that level at the minute. They need a builder. Potter would be the best but United fans will turn their nose up.
Great shout. I'd take Potter absolutely.
And also Kane was injured that’s why he came off you lot are suppose to know your facts and don’t sack the lot of them