I suppose Sisko making the Defiant is already kinda confirmed, but I left that episode with the impression he was the station head and only contributed to the design of the Defiant. I guess I do not equate Yard commander to project lead. What I wanted to see canonised is him as the chief architect on the project, it was his ship; I took the blueprints to Starfleet and said, "This. I'm gonna make this." However him being design lead would make far more sense and I guess is essentially assumed at this point. Thanks for pointing this out all!
As several people have pointed out, until he was redirected down the command path he was more of an engineer who was more interested in starship design. I believe those points were to say without beating it over the audience head that he designed it
I wouldn't mind a line establishing that it was called "Defiant" because someone at HQ convinced him that "Terrible Red Right Hand" was too much of a mouthful for a ship class.
@@thomasdaniel8162 My interpretation was that Sisko would have said something like, "We need a ship with more powerful weapons/shields and less children on board," and simply left it up to the engineers to figure out how to make it happen, without being directly involved in that part.
“I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built, I helped design her. I know her vulnerabilities, and her weaknesses” That’s a direct quote from the episode ‘Defiant’
Yeah, I was going to say, I thought we already knew Sisko was involved in designing the Defiant, though I didn't recall that particular line, at the moment.
What makes you think Sisko has no engineering specialty? A quote describing Sisko in the episode Paradise Lost says the opposite. "When you came on board the Okinawa you were more interested in engineering and ship design then command." with Sisko being the person spoken to.
I could have sworn he did. Am I misremembering a comment in the series that he did. Am I in a different universe....IS THIS THE MIRROR UNIVERSE. WHY IS MY WIFE WEARING A STYLISH GOATEE
“I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built, I helped design her. I know her vulnerabilities, and her weaknesses” That’s a direct quote from the episode ‘Defiant’
IIRC, it's not the first time a captain was claimed to also be a ship designer. I assume they include advisory or project manager roles under the umbrella of "helped design", because advice (as someone with extensive experience actually *using* ships) and project management (as someone who spends their whole day job pulling together experts and making executive decisions) are skillsets that every captain should be able to provide, even if they're not engineers. Having said that, Starfleet officers have always been depicted to be hypercompetent and able to switch roles, so maybe they really do mean the captains do design work directly.
@@ericandes4288 He was in charge of the shipyard but he also helped with the design process. Admiral Leyton said that Sisko was initially more of an engineer until Leyton began to train him for command
Things I'd Like to See in Star Trek Canon: •Bajor and Ferenginar join the Federation. There could even see Quark start a Ferengi criminal empire in defiance of his brother's reforms. •The formation of the Romulan Free State, which could be how the Romulan Republic gets canonized •The Talaxian colony Neelix stayed with joining the Federation as the first world/species from the Delta Quadrant to join the Federation. •A return of the Xindi, with that species also joining the Federation or at least becoming a protectorate.
The Federation president in 3189 is at least partly Cardassian - she has muted versions of the characteristic facial ridges (and the pragmatic attitude).
@@DeaconBlues117Being a Federation citizen doesn't mean that your species native planet is a member of the Federation. A good example of this is Worf.
In a series of earlier novels, they had the Borg evolve so much that their ships could absorb whole vessels instead of having to systematically take them apart, allowing instantaneous assimilation of technology and crew, even adding the victim ships mass to the Borg vessel. I wish they had show that in the movies or TV shows. That would have been terrifying!
One thing I wish to see made canon was Commander Tucker becoming an agent for the Vulcans/section 31 and having to fake his death at the end of Enterprise. The ending he got in the books was far better than what happend on screen.
ya' know, i always imagined he'd been recruited as a temporal agent. The way he winks at Archer, as he's going into the imaging chamber.....it's like he was trying to say "don't worry cap'n, this ain't the end".
@@rubaiyat300 I'm sure 31 carried out heaps of successful operations.. we only hear about the ones that didn't go so well, because they make for good stories.
It is cannon. Like @CC here said, ''I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built, I helped design her.'' is a direct quote from the episode.
Love the Titan books. The concept of a ship with the idea to have as many non-human/humanoid crew as possible is so interesting! The velociraptor-like doctor, the spider engineer, the cyborg-deer guy (I think they even had a Horta!). It would probably have to be animated for budget but it would be amazing. And that way Frakes and Sirtis could reprise their roles (having otherwise out-aged the parts for that setting)
I liked Lorca's character. I don't care what anyone says. Granted, he's much more of an "ends justify the means" captain, but without going full Section 31 or obviously evil Admiral, at least until the mirror universe. He sounds believable to me, especially around the TOS era, as Janeway said, "They were a little slower to invoke the Prime Directive, and a little quicker to pull their phasers."
I want to see how the dominion is doing. With odo disseminating his experiences and compassion in the link. I also want to see what a moderm. possibly more beastial redesign of the jem’hadar looks like.
Unless if Odo deceived Worf, his experiences did have a lot of influence on the link. Enough influence to the point where it caused a splinter within the Founders.
THANK YOU for Lorca and Landry! Absolutely love their Prime characters and story arc in STO, and think an official spinoff of him surviving in the mirror universe would be dope as hell!
I want to see mirror Janeway in the shows. While our Janeway is considered to be ruthless and hypocrate by the fans, Mirror Janeway *canonically* is. Closest we got to her is during Living Witness episode where people misrepresent Voyager crew. It would be a blast to see an old Admiral Janeway of Terran Empire controling mirror borgs to do her bidding.
Great idea but I’d rather not set it in the Mirrorverse. Despite fan desire and even writers it’s evident the Mirrorverse is mostly a dead end morally and technologically. Terrans are constantly stealing tech to temporarily edge out the Prime but they are always falling behind. Vulcan tech back in the days of Cochran yet still flying nonrefit NX a century later. Gifted TOS tech in the Ent era where it is shown a damaged Connie with an untrained skeleton crew can wax entire fleets and still flying Connie’s a century later. Then needing to steal the plans for a different Defiant from the Prime and that ship again piloted by an untrained crew can wac entire fleets. Just no evidence that not being all wishy washy like the space hippies actually improves things in any way and all evidence it retards their development. Which I’m sure is entirely accidental by the writers given how many times we go back but that’s the canon
@@rubaiyat300 The main problem with Terrans is the constant never ending powerstruggle. There is absolutely *no* trust. You cant take a shit without setting up a defense perimeter in your own house. They acquired vulcan tech and used it to conquer half the Alpha quadrant. The non-refit NX Enterprise is just looking that way. The ship itself is far more capable as otherwise it wouldnt make sense for Terrans to be able to spread as much as they did. Afterwards, The time travelling Consutition class ship, Terrans never reverse engineered it. Anyone who got their hands on the ship aside from the original captain of Mirror Enterprise, Wanted to use it to overthrow the emperor. That greed led to them probably hoarding any and all developments about the ship to themselves until it became irrelevant. The ToS era Terrans are ironically the most competent out of all. They have technology slightly edging out their time's prime Federation all on their own. Its also the most stable Terran Empire ever been, to a degree that Spock was not only an emperor, but also able to make changes to begin with. DS9 era Terran Empire has an excuse for falling behind. Spock led them to a century of servitude in a galaxy full of equally ruthless aliens. They were lucky to exist at all let alone make scientific progress. Stealing the plans of Defiant was a necessity. Now, we've never seen her on the show but in the game and comics Janeway apperantly becomes a pirate queen on the Delta Quadrant. Finds a way to reverse engineer Borg technology to assimilate anyone that tries to double-cross her. She is an absolute menace, to both the Borg and the people. Mirror Neelix is apperantly a semi-sucessful scrapper himself with a massive ship, he rivals the Voyager at Delta Quadrant for preying on the weak. They still show promise because Voyager in this version is still capable of utilizing foreign tech without any morality issues AND we could take this time to actually learn about Terran Empire for a change. It can be fun.
Chronologically, the latest Prime Timeline Janeway that we know of was the one in Picard season 3. We don't really know which Janeway that was, since there were a couple of different Janeway in Voyager.
I hope that, if they do bring Sisko back, that either it's established he actually returned in time for his and Cassidy's child to be born and has simply kept a lower profile since then (by way of retiring or if necessary doing "Intelligence" work, but I think the former would make more sense) or that he only "disappeared" as far as the rest of the galaxy was concerned and has still had a presence in, at least, his family's life and maybe Bajor's affairs. Like maybe the key to finding him, should some galactic threat emerge that requires him, could be talking to his children, with Jake maybe saying something like "he never really disappeared from those that needed him... but I guess the Federation needs him now." Given that the entire scene where Sisko tells Cassidy that he'll be back was added because Brooks didn't like the idea of portraying a black man basically abandoning his family (even if it was unwillingly and for a seemingly good reason), I feel like if they want him to reprise the role, something like the above two possibilities would be necessary for that to happen.
Well I was going to come to the comments to say I was pretty sure DS9 confirms Sisko had a hand in the Defiant's creation but I have not only been beaten, it appears people found the exact quote
Did anyone else feel like Shelby got totally abused by Picard S03? She wasn't a "bad" officer in TNG, just impatient and overly ambitious. Had Patrick Stewart actually left the show and it had continued with Riker as Capt and Shelby as First Officer, I'm sure she would have really grown into the role (that is if the show really could have continued with such a major cast change).
Yes and no. She was done dirty but Picard’s writers fell in love with introducing side characters only for them to brutally die so it wasn’t specifically because of her previous role. Icheb was a series regular and basically died offscreen. Not literally of course but the circumstances and motivations were not his.
Star Trek Changes: The Memoirs of a War Criminal The telling of the life story of how the female changing became disappointed with her decedents that led her on the path to war with the Alpha Quadrant. 😆
6 - Star Trek Online's interpretation, aesthetic, and overall lore of the Iconians. Chef's kiss. 7 - A lot of Star Trek Online ships, including the Yorktown, the Jupiter carrier, etc. 8 - The entire plot of the Solanae Dyson Sphere (or at least a version of it), in which the Federation and allies find a megastructure and fight the Voth for dominion over it.
I'm not super warm on the idea of the Defiant being shelved because the way it seems to be presented in DS9 is that Sisko was in charge of the yard where she was built, he finishes the project assumedly at the time she was launched and he is likely too junior and in the wrong department to take her on the shakedown so at that point he 'lets go' and is reassigned. The Defiant is an experimental design so we can assume it required some work after the shakedown to get it's systems in order and stop being basically an "NX" type ship. In this time Sisko is now on DS9 and healing mentally but is still very likely keeping tabs on the ship as it's his work. He then has developed his career enough and made enough of an impact that this very powerful, but remember *unstable* ship is seen as really *unsuitable* for Starfleet due to the overpowered nature of the core being really hard to handle and manage but it is implied to us that Starfleet want to put the ship to good use and since Sisko knows the ship intimately and the dangerous position he is in plus his career development it's nearly an ideal fit to give it to him. It's a special, awkward ship and it meets a special, awkward assignment where it really fits in. At no point is is directly implied Starfleet isn't interested in pursuing the Defiant class, to finish developing the ship all the way means the program *must* have been worth finishing, and we hear that Starfleet is building other Defiant classes, just with some corrections to reduce the overpowered core and make it more stable, something which cannot easily be done to Defiant without a complete refit. This makes the USS Defiant basically a one off prototype that has matured enough to be commissioned but is still basically a proof of concept test article. It also lines up much better with the timeline to have the Defiant project not be shelved. Lastly, it really does not make sense to have Sisko be the *project lead* on the Defiant. He is far too junior to have done that at the time. Remember that being assigned to DS9 is a big career step up for him, it's basically a promotion for his great work managing the shipyard where he goes from basically a junior Commander to a senior one. Given he says he helped design the Defiant we can assume he was basically in charge of the actual *building* work which means that he's the lead guy who liaised between the builders and the engineers, he had to have significant engineering skill but was directly on the construction side himself and so knew those skills intimately as well as needing to have developed intermediate to advanced command and managerial skills by this point. However the role of a *project lead* is that of a very senior captain or in many, even most, cases an Admiral. We've seen 'lead designers' that are lower in rank, but managing the whole project means directing everyone involved and setting *requirements* which you would need senior leadership credentials to even have the foresight/information to be able to do
Very glad you enjoyed the Landry story. Mirror Lorca definitely swaps into that 2 part story at one point. It’s pretty clear when if you pay attention to the episode in discovery when Lorca talks about how he was transported to the prime universe.
I actually respect the writers of Star Trek Online more than any of the Kurtzman Trek ones. Sure it might not be the best in the world but given the constraints they have to deal with (aka the above-mentioned Kurtzman Trek & JJ-Trek scripts) I think they did a good job.
I really like sisko's return in the ds9 relaunch books, where he makes it back for the birth of his daughter, compared to the recent comics where he was gone for years.
It does, but at this point the actors have aged past where their characters were for a season 8, unless you go with the concept from "What We Left Behind", which won't work now anyway due to actors passing. It should've been done ASAP after the series ended, but TPTB didn't care for DS9 anyway, esp. w/ VOY running and the TNG movies happening. You could look at the DS9 "relaunch" novels that were labeled as an "8th season" for DS9, or the group of missions STO did for DS9, which I look at as a post-series extra season with the characters.
i want to see a show where it dives into the lives of people in the federation, klingon empire and romulan star empire. seeing how culture and technology are used in a sitcom-style show could be a good breath of fresh air from all the shows that showcase just a standard military side of the civilizations. we only got to see a glimpse into it when exploring the families of figures, like picard and sisko, but we need more context, and especially more context into the outlying worlds, plus its good to have a more detailed explanation of what goes on, what the mindset of citizens was like during the dominion war or even the battle of worf 359, and even if its only a 2 season sitcom, it would provide a much greater context than what we've got right now.
@@shawn092182 yea, buts its more or less a rogue element of starfleet that turns savior towards the end, and not exactly a actual sitcom of the federation or some of the other species. hell i imagine a frenegi only cartoon might make the rounds better.
#6) A full episode(s) detailing the Who/What/How/Why of the recovery of the Enterprise-D saucer section from Veridian-3. Had Veridian-4 inhabitants developed interplanetary travel? Were the Ferengi, Orions, The Syndicate or someone else trying to pick through the wreckage for parts, technology, or data to sell for profit? Did the USS Cerritos help? There's a story there waiting to be told, beyond 15 seconds by LeVar Burton, or a 3 minute Fan Film.
On the romulan supernova, your comments on them, and especially showing a clip from resurgence with portal 63 made me think of something, what if the A.I. partnership that was responsible for the Admonition and that Soji was trying to contact at the end of season 1 of picard is responsible?
I'd like to see Sisko return, but here's what I don't want to see: (1) a Picard-style vanity project, (2) a return in DISCO's future, (3) Picard-style Traveler nonsense, (4) a Lower Decks Return, or (5) a mention that he has returned. What you want to do is write a movie where Sicko is the lead, shows up to solve a scifi problem, and solves it in a way unique to his character. A starfleet officer "being gone" and then "coming back" is a neat hook for the opening, but after that you need two things: (a) a problem for him to solve, probably related to why he came back, and (b) character development. For lack of a better option, I think you begin with Sicko's 2nd child, probably in Starfleet ('cause... you know, Star Trek) following in his father's footsteps. Maybe there's a mission to Bajor or the Gamma Quadrant when prophecy stuff begins to rear it's head, then Sisko shows up... not unlike Spock in the Motion Picture, but perhaps Sisko's too emotional - angry for being taken from his child and wife, or happy to see them, etc. Sisko's embraced his role as the emissary, but maybe his child needs to embrace it, too. But, of course, because the Prophets exist outside of normal space and time the problem is all a predestination paradox that's easy enough for Sisko to solve in the end. Make it a 2+ hour Paramount+ movie, but I honestly don't know if you need to have any returning actors apart from Avery Brooks and Penny Johnson Jerald in the post credits, although I could see working Alexander Siddig's genetically augmented intelligence into it somehow.
Honestly, for the supernova, it could be interesting to have a series centered on a temporal agent, and have the Romulan supernova be one of the early shots of the temporal cold war. Not like Enterprise where we only see what it's like for the hapless victims of alterations to the timeline.
Well “early” would be a hard thing to pin down in a Temporal War. I mean Enterprise was basically a show about it and events from that happened more than 3 centuries earlier (the Xindi being “rescued” by the Sphere Builders). I’d love things like the Haakonians, Iconians, etc also being involved. Not because of Star Trek Online (cause I’m pretty meh with constant violence MMO storylines) but because time is no separator once you have time travel and at that point why couldn’t a sufficiently advanced species be able to contact future eras? I assume it would be them meeting later eras simply cause time travel that far back would be too dangerous the other way and like Warp travel vs Transwarp just cause you can jump back a century or two doesn’t mean you have the tech to go back 100k years.
The old ships in season one already had a suitable explanation. They were creating a fleet of ten thousand ships to evacuate a planet. Dragging a bunch of decades mothballed McGees out to serve as civilian transports is fine.
Artificial supernovas are kinda-sorta already canon. The Founders tried to trigger Bajor's star to go supernova with a tritium bomb when Julian was replaced by a founder.
Sisko heading the Defiant project, and the Federation deciding to cancel the project, also helps explain why he was ready to resign his commission in "The Emissary"
I do love the idea of artificial supernovas. I think the Bashir changeling tried to use the exact same ingredients on Bajor's sun that was used in STO for the explanation: Trilithium: We know from Generations that it causes stars to catastrophically collapse Tekasite: We know it's an explosive booster. (apparently a very good one) which was specifically mentioned to enhance trilithium detonations. Protomatter: We know via the genesis wave that it creates a shockwave that propagates at FTL speeds, and that it absorbs all available matter to support itself. So combining those elements would make a weapon that would result in main sequence stars suddenly going supernova with self-sustaining, self-propagating shockwaves that travel at warp speed. "The Romulan Supernova was no accident. It is now being regarded as the largest active crime scene in the galaxy."
I realize we already have the Enterprise G 🙄, annnnnd I’d watch the show if it ever came to fruition, but we really need a show just for the Enterprise F! In case it’s not obvious, I hate that they turned the Titan A into the Enterprise G. If anything they should have made her the USS Picard
I thought that we know canonically that Sisko never returns. I don't remember the name of the episode but Tony Todd played Jake. It's been awhile since I've watched it so I may be wrong.
When Picard season 3 ended I actually thought it would’ve been cool if the Romulan Supernova was revealed to be artificially orchestrated as part of the Changeling and Borg plot to assimilate the Federation and restore the Collective. The Romulan’s were the Federation’s only threat after Janeway’s virus and the end of the Dominion War. With no more major external threats it would be part of an effort to defang Starfleet and lull them into complacency. It would also help tie the first season of Picard to the third.
Sisko went into the garage,grabbed the '79 Gremlin, threw some scrap metal plates on it, a NOS Tank, and a Mini gun turret on the roof😆 Sisko: 'This, but in Space...!'
In Star Trek Legacy, which is apocryphal at best, the Defiant mission was voiced by Avery Brooks and this was pre-DS9 in the game, where he was skipper of the ship during a test run. I have always believed that Sisko was one of the main designers of the Defiant class, where he donned the Mustard/Gold uniform as a starship engineer, between Wolf 359 and his taking command of DS9.
#7) Make Elias Vaughn canon. #8) Give Boothby a full Starfleet honors funeral. Where it here it will be revealed that he was El-Aurian, and that he was one of the last surviving leaders, and the last remaining highest ranking military command officer, to survive the Borg invasion. He blamed himself for the loss of his homeworld and the death of his entire family and nearly all of his friends and compatriots. But the cruel irony, as a man who was supposed to fight and risk his life for his people, his people were the ones that died or were assimilated, and he lived. When he rescued by the Enterprise-B from the Lakul. Quickly realizing who and what they had, Starfleet quickly accepted him and offered him any position that he wanted. He chose instead to be the 'Gardner at Starfleet Academy'. To bring life and beauty to a small corner of the universe, whereas he had seen so much death and destruction. While at the same time he could also possibly influence a few cadets some of his wisdom of some life lessons that they will not be learning inside a classroom. He never made time for his own family, his own children and even grandchildren, always putting his work first. Believing that there would always be time later. The Borg took all of that away from him, he is all that is left of his family, he never used the time he had. The young cadets would become his surrogate grandchildren. The Starfleet officers and instructors that would seek him out from time-to-time, his surrogate children. Boothby found a little peace in his later years
As to who or what caused the Romulan supernova. Whilst there may be a more calculating adversary at work, I'm reminded that the "civil war" depicted in the Voyager episode "The Q and the Grey" causes several supernovas as collateral damage to the weapons being used by the Continuum. As the Q can span both space and time, it's reasonable to assume that the effects of this and other conflicts could occur over many centuries. Of course as Q gave the Voyager Crew pulled into the Continuum access to Q weaponry, it may be that a Starfleet Officer inadvertently triggered the Romulan supernova. Which might explain Harry Kim staying an Ensign during the show... 😁
Sounds like a good Q and the Romulan story: While high ranking Extremist Tal Shiar Romulans are testing an advanced New singularity source for their ships , they are visited by 2 of the Q Continuum's "New" young Q children squabbling over what to do. Finally settling to copy uncle Q's experimenting in TNG but with the Romulans. When the experiment goes awry, the Romulan fail to put their pride and fears aside and ask for help setting in motion cascading event that eventually leads to the supernova. The young Qs realize they may have caused too much of a disturbance and try to revert their "fun" but realize they cant. Q has prevented them in order to also teach them a lesson in Responsibility.
I've always thought the truth coming out about how ben drew the romulans into the war would be interesting, to explore what happens when a war hero contributes to murder and conspiracy as well as the implications of the bajorans religious figure head being tried for war crimes would be so interesting
My things that I want to be canon: - Star Trek: Borg and the fate of the Excelsior class USS Righteous - the pre-TMP-era Miranda and potentially other early-ships with TMP-era analogs - the notion of different factions of Borg, with differing danger levels (to explain all the different, apparently contradictory versions of them - the recent STO ship interior style - with the tan, steel and red finish instead of the dark lighting and gloss-black-everything of recent shows
Could only have happened if early TNG had the guts to go with retiring the Klingons and Romulans as real threats instead of the decision to make space from TOS by basically retiring Vulcans. Same for the Ferengi. Imagine a bunch of big burly Klingons rolling over an away team and even giving Riker, Worf and Tasha the business, only to be halted by a slim short Ferengi. Who they bow and scrape to. And if you need have that Ferengi casually kill one physically. They are aliens. The idea cause he’s shorter and slimmer than you means he isn’t an absolutely deadly physical threat or that he can’t punch a solid cylinder of your body out of you makes no sense. We have literal psychic races and god aliens out here.
If they ever did anything with Ben Sisko it'd require a complete re-cast IMO. Avery Brooks isn't interested and even if he was he's in his mid 70s so if it was him it'd be more of a cameo than anything big but with the character it'd need to be something more than a brief cameo for the emotional impact that'd have.
I always thought the artificial singularities that power Romulan ships played a part. Where by each ship it destroyed had the unintended consequence of accelerating the shockwave and increasing its yield. This would allow it also to move faster than light because of the warping effect of the singularities. So on and so on.
I prefer that the supernova be a natural disaster. The romulans saw enemies and conspiracies everywhere. - to lose due to events beyond your control, that no one put into motion against you, is fairly rare in storytelling. It would be very hard for Romulans to accept this as an "act of god" and storylines about the supernova should be about romulans refusing to accept the truth of their dreadful situation.
The Romulan super nova: I think learning to survive super nova events are part of a civilization tier or a test before you can reach the next stage of interplanetary civilization. One of the first tiers is development of nuclear weapons/ power and geo engineering (climate). Later tiers require further interplanetary codependency and sharing of technology and knowledge, or else they fail: so the Romulans easily failed that tier by being so isolated. So many civilizations get wiped out by supernovas because survival requires collaborating with neighbours
I could imagine a mirror universe Vulkans who got beaten by Terrans got a splinter faction that became the Romulans there and they wanted to increase their factions population by instigating this supernova and siphon the faction it created back to the mirror universe to put up a fight against the terrans.
What about the idea they had for a potential 8th season of DS9 with Section 31 being the main antagonist and we have to stop them? Maybe the old cast is too old for that, but maybe a new cast can do this? Would this be good as an dies for a story post-DS9?
We know Star Fleet, and other socio-political entities in the Trek-Verse's current timeline *can* build something the size of a run-of-the-mill Star Destroyer (or the Executor, or the Supremecy, or a Death Star (I mean, look at Space Dock!)), the question is, can anyone think on a canon reason why they *would.*
1. Yeah, they all but said it without actually saying that Sisko was the commander behind the Defiant project at Utopia Planitia. It might even be that he took the post at DS-9 after they shelved the project. 2 years later, well, what do you know, there's a new enemy in the Gamma Quadrant. (Also fits in with him being a foretold child of the prophets, he needed to be ready to confront the danger to Bajor). 2. While they aren't exactly detailed to the shows, CBS has strongly indicated that the general thrust of the comics is canon. Including what happens in Defiant and Star Trek. They're designed to tell the stories of the Star Trek universe that budgets prevent being seen in the Streaming services. 3. So far CBS isn't arguing against the origins of those ships especially since Thomas Marrone was one of the main creators for those ships in STO, so it stands to reason someone might just use it. 4. Hobus. Y'know, they kept pushing that it was the Romulan star that was going nova, and the only thing that connected in my head was the possibility that the Romulan system was possibly a trinary like the Centauri stars are. The main with Romulus and Remus, and two other distant stars still connected by gravity-Hobus being practically on its own. And yes, it does need its own show arc. (A good Legacy arc if they develop it?) 5 Ah, uh, I hope we see Garack in a future episode, because ah, there's a second book out there that's between Year 1 and Year 2 of ST: Picard with Raffi. Funny you brought up the ST: Resolution game. I wonder if the advanced warp drive the captain was pushing for was a version of a coaxial warp drive.
House wasn't the romulan star . But the star was setting of a chain of supernovae. That would consume romulus. But would continue afterwards. Spock said it would consume the galaxy. ( and it was artificial) unnatural. All the fuel of a star early would spread the damage further
When it comes to the Romulan, and other ancient powers supernova. I think it would be cool if we found out that all races once they reach a certain point are put on trial by the Q Continuum. The destroyed races are the ones who lost the trial.
Ellen Landry says "it's impervious to phaser fire "and then picks up a phaser and tries to kill it. I remmember face palming at that scene. The destructions of the romulan star empire needs more then " yeah a star went supernova and it made the entire empire collapse , their colonies collapsed etc. I understand it would hit them hard but them collapsing completely over night seems odd How starfleet is structured when it comes to defences sutch as planetary defences , starbases and so on is a real shame they don't develop.
We don't really need everything in Star Trek to be in the same canon. Strange New Worlds has strayed from TOS canon, and before that Discovery went flying off the rails. But that's not a bad thing in itself. Star Wars has multiple canons.
Star Trek Online, and the shatnerverse novels should be cannon, or at least mentioned, one can definitely change up some things about the novels to fit in with the cannon (like Spock being in the kelvin universe and vger).
It would be great to see audio or animated adaptations of New Frontier but as the tone is somewhere between Prodigy and Lower Decks it would doubtless get masses of intent moron backlash for supposedly being derivative of those LATER stories.
Yard 39 number 3 Fans: I thought those ships were outdated. Star fleet vice admiral: If it still works then it works. *distant explosion* Fans: wha? Star fleet vice admiral: *Beems out*
Out of those five, the only ones I would want to see is a reference to Sisko coming back and being happy. Anything to do with STD and STP? No thanks (Just my personal opinion, I know some people really like those shows).
NX Yorktown class should be canon. And also should be canon the fact that discovery occurs on another timeline different from the one on the original series
Honestly, I'd rather see Sisko return in the 32nd century. His story's ending is tragic and should stay that way. Bringing him back in the 32nd century would maintain that tragedy as everyone he knows is long gone, but he can still come back to the franchise and get his happy ending. This also keeps with the prophets misunderstanding linear time.
I just want everything after Enterprise to be considered its own totally separate universe / continuity. It's my biggest issue with the Kelvin timeline, Discovery, and Picard. You want to reboot or put your own spin on Star Trek, fine. Just don't try to say that it's all the same timeline as TOS/TNG & then expect the audience to ignore all the huge inconsistencies and changes.
The way I took sisko going to the profets was he would never return and if he did it would be much later or temporary thing if something terrible was happening to the galaxy
I suppose Sisko making the Defiant is already kinda confirmed, but I left that episode with the impression he was the station head and only contributed to the design of the Defiant. I guess I do not equate Yard commander to project lead. What I wanted to see canonised is him as the chief architect on the project, it was his ship; I took the blueprints to Starfleet and said, "This. I'm gonna make this."
However him being design lead would make far more sense and I guess is essentially assumed at this point. Thanks for pointing this out all!
Considering how many comments you have on the matter, I would say you screwed up _royally_ on that front...
@@housecoatgamingMore than Royally. It's at an Imperial level.
As several people have pointed out, until he was redirected down the command path he was more of an engineer who was more interested in starship design. I believe those points were to say without beating it over the audience head that he designed it
I wouldn't mind a line establishing that it was called "Defiant" because someone at HQ convinced him that "Terrible Red Right Hand" was too much of a mouthful for a ship class.
@@thomasdaniel8162 My interpretation was that Sisko would have said something like, "We need a ship with more powerful weapons/shields and less children on board," and simply left it up to the engineers to figure out how to make it happen, without being directly involved in that part.
“I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built, I helped design her. I know her vulnerabilities, and her weaknesses”
That’s a direct quote from the episode ‘Defiant’
Yeah, I was going to say, I thought we already knew Sisko was involved in designing the Defiant, though I didn't recall that particular line, at the moment.
And Sisko helping to design the ship makes more sense than having him the sole designer as he doesn’t have a engineering specialty.
Exactly
This makes far more sense. It's a too common trope for a main character to be the inventor / designer of a thing instead of being part of a team.
What makes you think Sisko has no engineering specialty? A quote describing Sisko in the episode Paradise Lost says the opposite. "When you came on board the Okinawa you were more interested in engineering and ship design then command." with Sisko being the person spoken to.
Sisko did design the Defiant canonically and I'll die on that hill.
I could have sworn he did. Am I misremembering a comment in the series that he did. Am I in a different universe....IS THIS THE MIRROR UNIVERSE. WHY IS MY WIFE WEARING A STYLISH GOATEE
...I swore that it was already canon. Something about him developing it to KILL Borg.
“I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built, I helped design her. I know her vulnerabilities, and her weaknesses”
That’s a direct quote from the episode ‘Defiant’
@@golgarisoulIn that phrasing is more of a mouth to mouth lore among Trekkies.
@@CC-mp1wk I'll be damned, you are right, timestamp 16 minutes 15 seconds, season 3 episode 9.
Sisko designing the Defiant is canon. He said outright to Dukat that he’d helped design her after Thomas Riker stole her
I thought he was the project manager and not the actual designer? He isn't an engineer
@@ericandes4288 he designed DEFIANT
IIRC, it's not the first time a captain was claimed to also be a ship designer. I assume they include advisory or project manager roles under the umbrella of "helped design", because advice (as someone with extensive experience actually *using* ships) and project management (as someone who spends their whole day job pulling together experts and making executive decisions) are skillsets that every captain should be able to provide, even if they're not engineers. Having said that, Starfleet officers have always been depicted to be hypercompetent and able to switch roles, so maybe they really do mean the captains do design work directly.
@@Nalehw remember in season 4's Homefront Leyton described Sisko as more interested in ship design than command
@@ericandes4288 He was in charge of the shipyard but he also helped with the design process. Admiral Leyton said that Sisko was initially more of an engineer until Leyton began to train him for command
Things I'd Like to See in Star Trek Canon:
•Bajor and Ferenginar join the Federation. There could even see Quark start a Ferengi criminal empire in defiance of his brother's reforms.
•The formation of the Romulan Free State, which could be how the Romulan Republic gets canonized
•The Talaxian colony Neelix stayed with joining the Federation as the first world/species from the Delta Quadrant to join the Federation.
•A return of the Xindi, with that species also joining the Federation or at least becoming a protectorate.
Ferenginar joined in lower decks
@@Loremaster28 Ferenginar applied to join in Lower Decks. There's a difference.
The Federation president in 3189 is at least partly Cardassian - she has muted versions of the characteristic facial ridges (and the pragmatic attitude).
I've seen some Xindi in the background in the future seasons of Discovery.
@@DeaconBlues117Being a Federation citizen doesn't mean that your species native planet is a member of the Federation. A good example of this is Worf.
In a series of earlier novels, they had the Borg evolve so much that their ships could absorb whole vessels instead of having to systematically take them apart, allowing instantaneous assimilation of technology and crew, even adding the victim ships mass to the Borg vessel. I wish they had show that in the movies or TV shows. That would have been terrifying!
Wasn't that the Caeliar novels?
@@cjrecord That was actually before those books. The book was called "Before Dishonor" by Peter David.
It depends on how you look at it. You could say that it's canon from what was shown in Picard season 2.
Honestly it might have ended up looking goofy if they did the 'swallow the ship' part wrong.
One thing I wish to see made canon was Commander Tucker becoming an agent for the Vulcans/section 31 and having to fake his death at the end of Enterprise. The ending he got in the books was far better than what happend on screen.
ya' know, i always imagined he'd been recruited as a temporal agent. The way he winks at Archer, as he's going into the imaging chamber.....it's like he was trying to say "don't worry cap'n, this ain't the end".
Would love that a lot more than him joining a bunch of proven losers like Section 31.
@@rubaiyat300 I'm sure 31 carried out heaps of successful operations.. we only hear about the ones that didn't go so well, because they make for good stories.
I wouldn't be surprised if some temporal agents are section 31 agents.
I didn’t even realize Sisko designing the defiant was beta canon, it just work so well
No it’s canon. This video is incorrect. Watch the episode ‘Defiant’
It is cannon. Like @CC here said, ''I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built, I helped design her.'' is a direct quote from the episode.
Love the Titan books. The concept of a ship with the idea to have as many non-human/humanoid crew as possible is so interesting! The velociraptor-like doctor, the spider engineer, the cyborg-deer guy (I think they even had a Horta!). It would probably have to be animated for budget but it would be amazing. And that way Frakes and Sirtis could reprise their roles (having otherwise out-aged the parts for that setting)
I love the idea of yard 39 being canon. Would be a perfect addition.
I could've sworn Siskos involvement in the Defiant was already canon...
It is
The Sisko's autobiography also expands a little bit on his role in designing the Defiant class.
Wait... I thought Sisko designing the Defiant was part of its introduction on DS9!
''I was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built, I helped design her.'' it is cannon.
@@xp8969 Yeah that's what he said lol, the episode that introduced defiant.
@@CaptPanOfSteel my bad, I misread his comment, I thought it said part of THE intro on DS9 rather than part of IT'S intro, I deleted my first comment
I liked Lorca's character. I don't care what anyone says. Granted, he's much more of an "ends justify the means" captain, but without going full Section 31 or obviously evil Admiral, at least until the mirror universe. He sounds believable to me, especially around the TOS era, as Janeway said, "They were a little slower to invoke the Prime Directive, and a little quicker to pull their phasers."
Sisko did help design the Defiant
I want to see how the dominion is doing. With odo disseminating his experiences and compassion in the link. I also want to see what a moderm. possibly more beastial redesign of the jem’hadar looks like.
Unless if Odo deceived Worf, his experiences did have a lot of influence on the link. Enough influence to the point where it caused a splinter within the Founders.
THANK YOU for Lorca and Landry! Absolutely love their Prime characters and story arc in STO, and think an official spinoff of him surviving in the mirror universe would be dope as hell!
I want to see mirror Janeway in the shows.
While our Janeway is considered to be ruthless and hypocrate by the fans, Mirror Janeway *canonically* is. Closest we got to her is during Living Witness episode where people misrepresent Voyager crew.
It would be a blast to see an old Admiral Janeway of Terran Empire controling mirror borgs to do her bidding.
Maybe Mirror Janeway arrived in our universe prior to the events of Voyager, and is responsible for the whole fiasco! :D
@@pirate4460You wish!
Great idea but I’d rather not set it in the Mirrorverse. Despite fan desire and even writers it’s evident the Mirrorverse is mostly a dead end morally and technologically. Terrans are constantly stealing tech to temporarily edge out the Prime but they are always falling behind. Vulcan tech back in the days of Cochran yet still flying nonrefit NX a century later. Gifted TOS tech in the Ent era where it is shown a damaged Connie with an untrained skeleton crew can wax entire fleets and still flying Connie’s a century later. Then needing to steal the plans for a different Defiant from the Prime and that ship again piloted by an untrained crew can wac entire fleets. Just no evidence that not being all wishy washy like the space hippies actually improves things in any way and all evidence it retards their development. Which I’m sure is entirely accidental by the writers given how many times we go back but that’s the canon
@@rubaiyat300 The main problem with Terrans is the constant never ending powerstruggle. There is absolutely *no* trust. You cant take a shit without setting up a defense perimeter in your own house.
They acquired vulcan tech and used it to conquer half the Alpha quadrant. The non-refit NX Enterprise is just looking that way. The ship itself is far more capable as otherwise it wouldnt make sense for Terrans to be able to spread as much as they did.
Afterwards, The time travelling Consutition class ship, Terrans never reverse engineered it.
Anyone who got their hands on the ship aside from the original captain of Mirror Enterprise, Wanted to use it to overthrow the emperor. That greed led to them probably hoarding any and all developments about the ship to themselves until it became irrelevant.
The ToS era Terrans are ironically the most competent out of all. They have technology slightly edging out their time's prime Federation all on their own. Its also the most stable Terran Empire ever been, to a degree that Spock was not only an emperor, but also able to make changes to begin with.
DS9 era Terran Empire has an excuse for falling behind. Spock led them to a century of servitude in a galaxy full of equally ruthless aliens. They were lucky to exist at all let alone make scientific progress. Stealing the plans of Defiant was a necessity.
Now, we've never seen her on the show but in the game and comics Janeway apperantly becomes a pirate queen on the Delta Quadrant. Finds a way to reverse engineer Borg technology to assimilate anyone that tries to double-cross her.
She is an absolute menace, to both the Borg and the people.
Mirror Neelix is apperantly a semi-sucessful scrapper himself with a massive ship, he rivals the Voyager at Delta Quadrant for preying on the weak.
They still show promise because Voyager in this version is still capable of utilizing foreign tech without any morality issues AND we could take this time to actually learn about Terran Empire for a change.
It can be fun.
Chronologically, the latest Prime Timeline Janeway that we know of was the one in Picard season 3. We don't really know which Janeway that was, since there were a couple of different Janeway in Voyager.
I hope that, if they do bring Sisko back, that either it's established he actually returned in time for his and Cassidy's child to be born and has simply kept a lower profile since then (by way of retiring or if necessary doing "Intelligence" work, but I think the former would make more sense) or that he only "disappeared" as far as the rest of the galaxy was concerned and has still had a presence in, at least, his family's life and maybe Bajor's affairs. Like maybe the key to finding him, should some galactic threat emerge that requires him, could be talking to his children, with Jake maybe saying something like "he never really disappeared from those that needed him... but I guess the Federation needs him now."
Given that the entire scene where Sisko tells Cassidy that he'll be back was added because Brooks didn't like the idea of portraying a black man basically abandoning his family (even if it was unwillingly and for a seemingly good reason), I feel like if they want him to reprise the role, something like the above two possibilities would be necessary for that to happen.
Thanks for what you’ve created. Please, never stop.
Well I was going to come to the comments to say I was pretty sure DS9 confirms Sisko had a hand in the Defiant's creation but I have not only been beaten, it appears people found the exact quote
Did anyone else feel like Shelby got totally abused by Picard S03? She wasn't a "bad" officer in TNG, just impatient and overly ambitious. Had Patrick Stewart actually left the show and it had continued with Riker as Capt and Shelby as First Officer, I'm sure she would have really grown into the role (that is if the show really could have continued with such a major cast change).
Yes and no. She was done dirty but Picard’s writers fell in love with introducing side characters only for them to brutally die so it wasn’t specifically because of her previous role. Icheb was a series regular and basically died offscreen. Not literally of course but the circumstances and motivations were not his.
A connection between the Founders and Progenitors from TNG The Chase.
Star Trek Changes: The Memoirs of a War Criminal
The telling of the life story of how the female changing became disappointed with her decedents that led her on the path to war with the Alpha Quadrant. 😆
6 - Star Trek Online's interpretation, aesthetic, and overall lore of the Iconians. Chef's kiss.
7 - A lot of Star Trek Online ships, including the Yorktown, the Jupiter carrier, etc.
8 - The entire plot of the Solanae Dyson Sphere (or at least a version of it), in which the Federation and allies find a megastructure and fight the Voth for dominion over it.
I'm not super warm on the idea of the Defiant being shelved because the way it seems to be presented in DS9 is that Sisko was in charge of the yard where she was built, he finishes the project assumedly at the time she was launched and he is likely too junior and in the wrong department to take her on the shakedown so at that point he 'lets go' and is reassigned. The Defiant is an experimental design so we can assume it required some work after the shakedown to get it's systems in order and stop being basically an "NX" type ship. In this time Sisko is now on DS9 and healing mentally but is still very likely keeping tabs on the ship as it's his work. He then has developed his career enough and made enough of an impact that this very powerful, but remember *unstable* ship is seen as really *unsuitable* for Starfleet due to the overpowered nature of the core being really hard to handle and manage but it is implied to us that Starfleet want to put the ship to good use and since Sisko knows the ship intimately and the dangerous position he is in plus his career development it's nearly an ideal fit to give it to him. It's a special, awkward ship and it meets a special, awkward assignment where it really fits in.
At no point is is directly implied Starfleet isn't interested in pursuing the Defiant class, to finish developing the ship all the way means the program *must* have been worth finishing, and we hear that Starfleet is building other Defiant classes, just with some corrections to reduce the overpowered core and make it more stable, something which cannot easily be done to Defiant without a complete refit. This makes the USS Defiant basically a one off prototype that has matured enough to be commissioned but is still basically a proof of concept test article. It also lines up much better with the timeline to have the Defiant project not be shelved.
Lastly, it really does not make sense to have Sisko be the *project lead* on the Defiant. He is far too junior to have done that at the time. Remember that being assigned to DS9 is a big career step up for him, it's basically a promotion for his great work managing the shipyard where he goes from basically a junior Commander to a senior one. Given he says he helped design the Defiant we can assume he was basically in charge of the actual *building* work which means that he's the lead guy who liaised between the builders and the engineers, he had to have significant engineering skill but was directly on the construction side himself and so knew those skills intimately as well as needing to have developed intermediate to advanced command and managerial skills by this point. However the role of a *project lead* is that of a very senior captain or in many, even most, cases an Admiral. We've seen 'lead designers' that are lower in rank, but managing the whole project means directing everyone involved and setting *requirements* which you would need senior leadership credentials to even have the foresight/information to be able to do
Very glad you enjoyed the Landry story.
Mirror Lorca definitely swaps into that 2 part story at one point. It’s pretty clear when if you pay attention to the episode in discovery when Lorca talks about how he was transported to the prime universe.
I actually respect the writers of Star Trek Online more than any of the Kurtzman Trek ones. Sure it might not be the best in the world but given the constraints they have to deal with (aka the above-mentioned Kurtzman Trek & JJ-Trek scripts) I think they did a good job.
I really like sisko's return in the ds9 relaunch books, where he makes it back for the birth of his daughter, compared to the recent comics where he was gone for years.
my biggest wish they add to canon is the earth romulan war and the formation of the neutral zone special now that the nx01 refit is a canon ship now
DS9 deserves its own movie.
I had a dream they announced an 8th season in 2023
It does, but at this point the actors have aged past where their characters were for a season 8, unless you go with the concept from "What We Left Behind", which won't work now anyway due to actors passing.
It should've been done ASAP after the series ended, but TPTB didn't care for DS9 anyway, esp. w/ VOY running and the TNG movies happening.
You could look at the DS9 "relaunch" novels that were labeled as an "8th season" for DS9, or the group of missions STO did for DS9, which I look at as a post-series extra season with the characters.
i want to see a show where it dives into the lives of people in the federation, klingon empire and romulan star empire.
seeing how culture and technology are used in a sitcom-style show could be a good breath of fresh air from all the shows that showcase just a standard military side of the civilizations.
we only got to see a glimpse into it when exploring the families of figures, like picard and sisko, but we need more context, and especially more context into the outlying worlds, plus its good to have a more detailed explanation of what goes on, what the mindset of citizens was like during the dominion war or even the battle of worf 359, and even if its only a 2 season sitcom, it would provide a much greater context than what we've got right now.
The closest thing to having something like that would be Picard.
@@shawn092182 yea, buts its more or less a rogue element of starfleet that turns savior towards the end, and not exactly a actual sitcom of the federation or some of the other species. hell i imagine a frenegi only cartoon might make the rounds better.
#6) A full episode(s) detailing the Who/What/How/Why of the recovery of the Enterprise-D saucer section from Veridian-3. Had Veridian-4 inhabitants developed interplanetary travel? Were the Ferengi, Orions, The Syndicate or someone else trying to pick through the wreckage for parts, technology, or data to sell for profit? Did the USS Cerritos help? There's a story there waiting to be told, beyond 15 seconds by LeVar Burton, or a 3 minute Fan Film.
On the romulan supernova, your comments on them, and especially showing a clip from resurgence with portal 63 made me think of something, what if the A.I. partnership that was responsible for the Admonition and that Soji was trying to contact at the end of season 1 of picard is responsible?
I love the Yard 39 25th century updates of Discovery era starships.
I'd like to see Sisko return, but here's what I don't want to see: (1) a Picard-style vanity project, (2) a return in DISCO's future, (3) Picard-style Traveler nonsense, (4) a Lower Decks Return, or (5) a mention that he has returned. What you want to do is write a movie where Sicko is the lead, shows up to solve a scifi problem, and solves it in a way unique to his character. A starfleet officer "being gone" and then "coming back" is a neat hook for the opening, but after that you need two things: (a) a problem for him to solve, probably related to why he came back, and (b) character development.
For lack of a better option, I think you begin with Sicko's 2nd child, probably in Starfleet ('cause... you know, Star Trek) following in his father's footsteps. Maybe there's a mission to Bajor or the Gamma Quadrant when prophecy stuff begins to rear it's head, then Sisko shows up... not unlike Spock in the Motion Picture, but perhaps Sisko's too emotional - angry for being taken from his child and wife, or happy to see them, etc. Sisko's embraced his role as the emissary, but maybe his child needs to embrace it, too. But, of course, because the Prophets exist outside of normal space and time the problem is all a predestination paradox that's easy enough for Sisko to solve in the end.
Make it a 2+ hour Paramount+ movie, but I honestly don't know if you need to have any returning actors apart from Avery Brooks and Penny Johnson Jerald in the post credits, although I could see working Alexander Siddig's genetically augmented intelligence into it somehow.
Honestly, for the supernova, it could be interesting to have a series centered on a temporal agent, and have the Romulan supernova be one of the early shots of the temporal cold war. Not like Enterprise where we only see what it's like for the hapless victims of alterations to the timeline.
Well “early” would be a hard thing to pin down in a Temporal War. I mean Enterprise was basically a show about it and events from that happened more than 3 centuries earlier (the Xindi being “rescued” by the Sphere Builders). I’d love things like the Haakonians, Iconians, etc also being involved. Not because of Star Trek Online (cause I’m pretty meh with constant violence MMO storylines) but because time is no separator once you have time travel and at that point why couldn’t a sufficiently advanced species be able to contact future eras? I assume it would be them meeting later eras simply cause time travel that far back would be too dangerous the other way and like Warp travel vs Transwarp just cause you can jump back a century or two doesn’t mean you have the tech to go back 100k years.
The comic is amazing! Thanks for the shout-out!
Till there's a death certificate, Shelby is still alive in my head-canon.
The old ships in season one already had a suitable explanation. They were creating a fleet of ten thousand ships to evacuate a planet. Dragging a bunch of decades mothballed McGees out to serve as civilian transports is fine.
Yea, I would love to see New Frontier made canonical, as well. McKenzie Calhoun has been my favorite non-canonical captain in Star Trek novels.
He has a background appearance in STO.
Artificial supernovas are kinda-sorta already canon. The Founders tried to trigger Bajor's star to go supernova with a tritium bomb when Julian was replaced by a founder.
don't forget the Plot of ST Generations
More information on the Enterprise *F*
Sisko heading the Defiant project, and the Federation deciding to cancel the project, also helps explain why he was ready to resign his commission in "The Emissary"
I do love the idea of artificial supernovas. I think the Bashir changeling tried to use the exact same ingredients on Bajor's sun that was used in STO for the explanation:
Trilithium: We know from Generations that it causes stars to catastrophically collapse
Tekasite: We know it's an explosive booster. (apparently a very good one) which was specifically mentioned to enhance trilithium detonations.
Protomatter: We know via the genesis wave that it creates a shockwave that propagates at FTL speeds, and that it absorbs all available matter to support itself.
So combining those elements would make a weapon that would result in main sequence stars suddenly going supernova with self-sustaining, self-propagating shockwaves that travel at warp speed.
"The Romulan Supernova was no accident. It is now being regarded as the largest active crime scene in the galaxy."
The Hobus Star going supernova NEEDS to be explained. How can the explosion just be shoved into sub space? And why doesn’t it happen all the time?
I realize we already have the Enterprise G 🙄, annnnnd I’d watch the show if it ever came to fruition, but we really need a show just for the Enterprise F! In case it’s not obvious, I hate that they turned the Titan A into the Enterprise G. If anything they should have made her the USS Picard
I thought that we know canonically that Sisko never returns. I don't remember the name of the episode but Tony Todd played Jake. It's been awhile since I've watched it so I may be wrong.
That was an alternative timeline . Episode.
When Picard season 3 ended I actually thought it would’ve been cool if the Romulan Supernova was revealed to be artificially orchestrated as part of the Changeling and Borg plot to assimilate the Federation and restore the Collective. The Romulan’s were the Federation’s only threat after Janeway’s virus and the end of the Dominion War. With no more major external threats it would be part of an effort to defang Starfleet and lull them into complacency. It would also help tie the first season of Picard to the third.
Sisko went into the garage,grabbed the '79 Gremlin, threw some scrap metal plates on it, a NOS Tank, and a Mini gun turret on the roof😆
Sisko: 'This, but in Space...!'
In Star Trek Legacy, which is apocryphal at best, the Defiant mission was voiced by Avery Brooks and this was pre-DS9 in the game, where he was skipper of the ship during a test run.
I have always believed that Sisko was one of the main designers of the Defiant class, where he donned the Mustard/Gold uniform as a starship engineer, between Wolf 359 and his taking command of DS9.
I really like your video on Isolinear chips, Would you do a video on Star Trek computers in general?
#7) Make Elias Vaughn canon.
#8) Give Boothby a full Starfleet honors funeral. Where it here it will be revealed that he was El-Aurian, and that he was one of the last surviving leaders, and the last remaining highest ranking military command officer, to survive the Borg invasion. He blamed himself for the loss of his homeworld and the death of his entire family and nearly all of his friends and compatriots.
But the cruel irony, as a man who was supposed to fight and risk his life for his people, his people were the ones that died or were assimilated, and he lived. When he rescued by the Enterprise-B from the Lakul.
Quickly realizing who and what they had, Starfleet quickly accepted him and offered him any position that he wanted. He chose instead to be the 'Gardner at Starfleet Academy'. To bring life and beauty to a small corner of the universe, whereas he had seen so much death and destruction. While at the same time he could also possibly influence a few cadets some of his wisdom of some life lessons that they will not be learning inside a classroom.
He never made time for his own family, his own children and even grandchildren, always putting his work first. Believing that there would always be time later. The Borg took all of that away from him, he is all that is left of his family, he never used the time he had. The young cadets would become his surrogate grandchildren. The Starfleet officers and instructors that would seek him out from time-to-time, his surrogate children.
Boothby found a little peace in his later years
As to who or what caused the Romulan supernova.
Whilst there may be a more calculating adversary at work, I'm reminded that the "civil war" depicted in the Voyager episode "The Q and the Grey" causes several supernovas as collateral damage to the weapons being used by the Continuum.
As the Q can span both space and time, it's reasonable to assume that the effects of this and other conflicts could occur over many centuries.
Of course as Q gave the Voyager Crew pulled into the Continuum access to Q weaponry, it may be that a Starfleet Officer inadvertently triggered the Romulan supernova.
Which might explain Harry Kim staying an Ensign during the show... 😁
Sounds like a good Q and the Romulan story: While high ranking Extremist Tal Shiar Romulans are testing an advanced New singularity source for their ships , they are visited by 2 of the Q Continuum's "New" young Q children squabbling over what to do. Finally settling to copy uncle Q's experimenting in TNG but with the Romulans. When the experiment goes awry, the Romulan fail to put their pride and fears aside and ask for help setting in motion cascading event that eventually leads to the supernova. The young Qs realize they may have caused too much of a disturbance and try to revert their "fun" but realize they cant. Q has prevented them in order to also teach them a lesson in Responsibility.
I've always thought the truth coming out about how ben drew the romulans into the war would be interesting, to explore what happens when a war hero contributes to murder and conspiracy as well as the implications of the bajorans religious figure head being tried for war crimes would be so interesting
My things that I want to be canon:
- Star Trek: Borg and the fate of the Excelsior class USS Righteous
- the pre-TMP-era Miranda and potentially other early-ships with TMP-era analogs
- the notion of different factions of Borg, with differing danger levels (to explain all the different, apparently contradictory versions of them
- the recent STO ship interior style - with the tan, steel and red finish instead of the dark lighting and gloss-black-everything of recent shows
I always thought that the cardassians had the potential to be as big a threat as the klingons were in the original series
Could only have happened if early TNG had the guts to go with retiring the Klingons and Romulans as real threats instead of the decision to make space from TOS by basically retiring Vulcans. Same for the Ferengi. Imagine a bunch of big burly Klingons rolling over an away team and even giving Riker, Worf and Tasha the business, only to be halted by a slim short Ferengi. Who they bow and scrape to. And if you need have that Ferengi casually kill one physically. They are aliens. The idea cause he’s shorter and slimmer than you means he isn’t an absolutely deadly physical threat or that he can’t punch a solid cylinder of your body out of you makes no sense. We have literal psychic races and god aliens out here.
If they ever did anything with Ben Sisko it'd require a complete re-cast IMO. Avery Brooks isn't interested and even if he was he's in his mid 70s so if it was him it'd be more of a cameo than anything big but with the character it'd need to be something more than a brief cameo for the emotional impact that'd have.
"The Defiant was designed to strafe much larger vessels. Much larger, cube-shaped vessels."
-fan comment on the Defiant
I always thought the artificial singularities that power Romulan ships played a part. Where by each ship it destroyed had the unintended consequence of accelerating the shockwave and increasing its yield. This would allow it also to move faster than light because of the warping effect of the singularities. So on and so on.
I prefer that the supernova be a natural disaster. The romulans saw enemies and conspiracies everywhere. - to lose due to events beyond your control, that no one put into motion against you, is fairly rare in storytelling. It would be very hard for Romulans to accept this as an "act of god" and storylines about the supernova should be about romulans refusing to accept the truth of their dreadful situation.
When I saw that thumbnail, I legit got worried that Sisko himself had been declared a non-canon character or something 😅
The episode where Thomas Riker steals the Defiant, Sisko confirms his hand in helping to design the Defiant.
Star Trek Destiny novels should be canon.
I’d love to see the narendra/probert ambassador made canon
The Romulan super nova: I think learning to survive super nova events are part of a civilization tier or a test before you can reach the next stage of interplanetary civilization.
One of the first tiers is development of nuclear weapons/ power and geo engineering (climate).
Later tiers require further interplanetary codependency and sharing of technology and knowledge, or else they fail: so the Romulans easily failed that tier by being so isolated.
So many civilizations get wiped out by supernovas because survival requires collaborating with neighbours
I indulgently want to know how large the betting pool was on when Shelby and Sisko would hook up that neither of them were aware of.
Sisko clearly said in “Defiant” that he helped design it. Its already canon.
Some of these are so simple they don’t even need to do much to fit them in with the bow already tied
USS Defiant number one
First borg encounter: The Defiant is too Addgressive Sisko.
The Dominon War: We need the Defiant back in service.
I could imagine a mirror universe Vulkans who got beaten by Terrans got a splinter faction that became the Romulans there and they wanted to increase their factions population by instigating this supernova and siphon the faction it created back to the mirror universe to put up a fight against the terrans.
They should have brought Sisko back in Picard. They even name dropped him in that alternate timeline.
What about the idea they had for a potential 8th season of DS9 with Section 31 being the main antagonist and we have to stop them? Maybe the old cast is too old for that, but maybe a new cast can do this? Would this be good as an dies for a story post-DS9?
We know Star Fleet, and other socio-political entities in the Trek-Verse's current timeline *can* build something the size of a run-of-the-mill Star Destroyer (or the Executor, or the Supremecy, or a Death Star (I mean, look at Space Dock!)), the question is, can anyone think on a canon reason why they *would.*
1. Yeah, they all but said it without actually saying that Sisko was the commander behind the Defiant project at Utopia Planitia. It might even be that he took the post at DS-9 after they shelved the project. 2 years later, well, what do you know, there's a new enemy in the Gamma Quadrant. (Also fits in with him being a foretold child of the prophets, he needed to be ready to confront the danger to Bajor).
2. While they aren't exactly detailed to the shows, CBS has strongly indicated that the general thrust of the comics is canon. Including what happens in Defiant and Star Trek. They're designed to tell the stories of the Star Trek universe that budgets prevent being seen in the Streaming services.
3. So far CBS isn't arguing against the origins of those ships especially since Thomas Marrone was one of the main creators for those ships in STO, so it stands to reason someone might just use it.
4. Hobus. Y'know, they kept pushing that it was the Romulan star that was going nova, and the only thing that connected in my head was the possibility that the Romulan system was possibly a trinary like the Centauri stars are. The main with Romulus and Remus, and two other distant stars still connected by gravity-Hobus being practically on its own. And yes, it does need its own show arc. (A good Legacy arc if they develop it?)
5 Ah, uh, I hope we see Garack in a future episode, because ah, there's a second book out there that's between Year 1 and Year 2 of ST: Picard with Raffi.
Funny you brought up the ST: Resolution game. I wonder if the advanced warp drive the captain was pushing for was a version of a coaxial warp drive.
House wasn't the romulan star . But the star was setting of a chain of supernovae. That would consume romulus. But would continue afterwards. Spock said it would consume the galaxy. ( and it was artificial) unnatural. All the fuel of a star early would spread the damage further
I was honestly under the impression that Sisko did creat it.
When it comes to the Romulan, and other ancient powers supernova. I think it would be cool if we found out that all races once they reach a certain point are put on trial by the Q Continuum. The destroyed races are the ones who lost the trial.
Ellen Landry says "it's impervious to phaser fire "and then picks up a phaser and tries to kill it. I remmember face palming at that scene. The destructions of the romulan star empire needs more then " yeah a star went supernova and it made the entire empire collapse , their colonies collapsed etc. I understand it would hit them hard but them collapsing completely over night seems odd
How starfleet is structured when it comes to defences sutch as planetary defences , starbases and so on is a real shame they don't develop.
Make Trip Surviving the ending of Enterprise, his role in the romulan war and his happy ending in Vulcan with T'Pol canon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about the free borg in the delta quadrant? They had entire ships
We don't really need everything in Star Trek to be in the same canon. Strange New Worlds has strayed from TOS canon, and before that Discovery went flying off the rails. But that's not a bad thing in itself. Star Wars has multiple canons.
Sisko number two
Fans: Is Sisko back?
Anomynous E-mail: Naw fam I'm good.
What I wanna see is the 2800 Dominion ships that vanished in the wormhole only to reappear at some point
Nope. "The Emissary is of Bajor, but he will find no rest there"
Star Trek Online, and the shatnerverse novels should be cannon, or at least mentioned, one can definitely change up some things about the novels to fit in with the cannon (like Spock being in the kelvin universe and vger).
It would be great to see audio or animated adaptations of New Frontier but as the tone is somewhere between Prodigy and Lower Decks it would doubtless get masses of intent moron backlash for supposedly being derivative of those LATER stories.
what about garak and bashir
Um that sisko was part of the team, wich designed the Defiant is canon (he said so in defiant)
Yard 39 number 3
Fans: I thought those ships were outdated.
Star fleet vice admiral: If it still works then it works.
*distant explosion*
Fans: wha?
Star fleet vice admiral: *Beems out*
5:24 I always just assumed that Landry was Mirror-Landry who came over with Mirror-Lorca
That simply isn't the case, as like he said in the vid, both Prime & Terran versions of her died at different times in the first season
Spear 31 should be added
Captain Picard's autobiography confirms that the Hobus supernova was artificial in nature.
Out of those five, the only ones I would want to see is a reference to Sisko coming back and being happy. Anything to do with STD and STP? No thanks (Just my personal opinion, I know some people really like those shows).
"Proved itself in combat"? It blew up!
Yeah but it had like a 70 to 1 K/D Ratio
NX Yorktown class should be canon. And also should be canon the fact that discovery occurs on another timeline different from the one on the original series
There should be 3 new trek series that cover everything in STO
1:14 i could have sworn the defiant thing was already a canon
Honestly, I'd rather see Sisko return in the 32nd century. His story's ending is tragic and should stay that way. Bringing him back in the 32nd century would maintain that tragedy as everyone he knows is long gone, but he can still come back to the franchise and get his happy ending. This also keeps with the prophets misunderstanding linear time.
I just want everything after Enterprise to be considered its own totally separate universe / continuity. It's my biggest issue with the Kelvin timeline, Discovery, and Picard. You want to reboot or put your own spin on Star Trek, fine. Just don't try to say that it's all the same timeline as TOS/TNG & then expect the audience to ignore all the huge inconsistencies and changes.
The way I took sisko going to the profets was he would never return and if he did it would be much later or temporary thing if something terrible was happening to the galaxy
Dammit, now I think Starfleet supernovaed the Romulan Sun to destabilize the region. Star Trek is at it's best when mirroring us...
Can't we just write the romulans supernova off as a bad idea made up by a man without even enough talent to be called a hack?