Electrify America Flagship | This might be the best EV Charging Station!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- We finally got to check out the Electrify America flagship hub in San Francisco and it did not disappoint! 20 stalls, 2 lounges, restrooms, vending machines, security, air-conditioning, and 24/7 access! This just might be the best EV charging station yet!
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A 20-stall indoor "super" charging facility in a city center is perfect for rideshare drivers. With that many stalls, there is a lot more churn as cars charge and leave at a pretty quick pace. I doubt there are many charging queues there. 24/7 security is what is needed to keep the equipment and facilities safe from vandalism. I don't know if an indoor station is financially viable but it's amazing and clearly popular.
20 stalls is a good beginning. There are Tesla stations with dozens of fast chargers. The Tesla station at the Barstow outlet mall has dozens of fast chargers as well as many slow chargers.
I just want EA to have more than 4 uncovered chargers (2 of which are broken). The 20 charger set up would be uh-mazing.
@@proudvirginian I think EA should have a minimum of 8 stalls and in urban areas, 16 to 24.
Yeah and all these announced charging networks need to actually put chargers in the ground. Canopies. Pull through, amenities are nice on paper (Iona/gm) but they simply don’t exist and are years away from existing
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Looks like they can close down one of the two lounges and convert them to more charging spots.
I would love to see how one of these would work in Chicago, a place where there are weather extremes as well as a large amount of EV ride share drivers. Out of Spec Reviews did a great job explaining how the extreme cold and large number of ride share EV drivers caused chaos this last winter in Chicago for EV drivers
I generally prefer site distribution over site concentration (e.g., I'd rather have two 10-stall sites than a single 20-stall site); however, these "flagship" sites can make sense in densely populated cities with high EV ownership. As you mentioned, EA is planning a number of these flagship sites, such as Santa Barbara and San Diego, but EVgo has announced that they will be partnering with GM Energy to build about 15 to 20 similar flagship sites across the country (clearly taking inspiration from EA).
In terms of stall counts in general, I still prefer to have the location itself dictate the number of stalls. For smaller venues with limited parking (especially in rural areas and small towns), I think that even two stalls can still be valid. For interstates and busy highways, I think sites should try to have a minimum of six to eight active stalls (so double NEVI), and on busy interstates, I think the minimum should be 10 to 12 stalls (triple NEVI). That being said, in my opinion, anything after 12 stalls starts to present diminishing returns, and I'd much rather see a second site put in nearby. So instead of building a site with 16 stalls, cap the first site at 10 to 12 stalls and install a secondary location with 4 to 6 stalls at a different business or venue nearby.
For me, the bigger issue at this point is keeping up throughput (total site power and average power per stall), and I completely agree with NEVI's requirements for 150 kW of power per stall. EA, EVgo, and ChargePoint's Express Plus sites already meet or exceed those power levels, but Tesla and some of the smaller CPOs are going to need to double or even triple the amount of power allocated for a given number of stalls in order to meet that 150 kW minimum average power per stall threshold.
EA literally doesnt care. one shiny gem does not excuse their rollout for the rest of the country.
@@laloajuria4678 EA has squandered their opportunity to be the gold standard when it comes to EV charging. In fact, EA sucks so bad that they motivated an entire industry to switch away from them. Amazing.
They've probably blown through all their VW money.
In the process of expanding and also replacing older units across the country plus still has another cycle of investment left runs till 2026. And they have more than on flagship site but sure
They need one of these in Tampa Florida!
Bare Minimum: 8 Stall for non-interstate Wal-mart style - 12-20 Stall for an Interstate pull-off stations, 350kW minimum w/ NACS (1 CCS & 1 NACS cable for 1/2 the stalls, 2 NACS Cables for the other half), Covered, 1-2 pull through chargers, 1 squeegee per 4 stalls, conveniently located restroom.
I would like to see the chargers working I’ve had so many issues with Electrify America. Lots of love thanks for the video.
Thanks for the video Patrick and Liv. I have been following this station since it went online, but just never travel to the city to actually check it out. I’m waiting for the Santa Barbara location and then I’ll make the drive to that one. That was great to hear about the queue of three cars and then suddenly 3 to 4 charges being available and only five minutes or so, that is the power of having a decent number of stations and also good to have cars that charge quickly. 😊
Cool walkthrough and super exciting charging location. Love seeing the charging providers getting into a one-ups-menship where each is trying to out do the other. The EV community wins. Thx for the video. I enjoyed watching.
I would like to see the chargers working I’ve had so many issues with Electrify America. Lots of love thanks for the video. More heath food snacks too 😉
I do like the set up there, but could deal with it being outdoors too. Years ago I rented a Tesla and we hit a charging spot on I5 (if I remember correctly) that had 20-40 chargers under car covers and a lounge that you could access with a code that popped up on the screen in car or app. I would love to see more chargers opening up with 20+ stalls and a lounge with clean restrooms and a place to sit and wait that isn’t in the car.
Ordered my adapter for my Equinox ev today. Yeah!
Perfect for Seattle. Indoors, security, less chance of vandalism.
Can’t wait for Fashion Valley mall flagship to open up, so much more convenient it being at a mall, it almost looks done, so hopefully it opens up real soon🤞
We are definitely looking forward to visiting when it's done! - Liv
This is nice but I wonder what it costs. I think the gas station model is the way to go. Just put up many chargers on each site and make sure they work. That’s all I need. Large sites are better than many small sites. I live in Europe and we’re seeing more and more stalls per site, I have been to a site with 24 stalls (16*350kw +8*200kw and no loadshare).
Hope this a proof of concept for doing 12, 16, 20 stall solar canopie covered locations across the country. Also think EA needs to dump the Huber-Shuner cables for Phoenix Contact HPC cables on their gen4 dispensers.
WOW! Awesome video!! This is a great deal!! I am hoping this is also in the works for NYC!! This would be ideal for Manhattan where I drive into on occasion from my home on Long Island to visit family! Make it happen EA!!!
Great video guys thank you so much for sharing I have my doubts about EA because of their reliably inconsistent reliability. This looks just like the Gravity Technologies indoor parking garage EV charging station in NYC.
More bathrooms would be nice, less conference rooms!
SECURITY, COVERED, restrooms, trash and windshield cleaner, food of some sort - and this is where it gets “difficult”……. A VARIETY of food options including vegan. Even vending machines can have vegan options. So, healthy snacks and food available nearby. In major cities like this one, indoors is very nice and security essential. Lounge is also super nice in the city. Also, a minimum of 6-8 stalls per site and at least 12 in urban areas and 6-8 along interstates-but more open along interstates (like every 25 miles).
I stopped at an electrify america station once thinking it was a free charging station, and they are stupidly expensive. I guess it makes more sense as a non-Tesla owner to use one, but they're $0.59/kwh compared to the $0.36/kwh at superchargers near me.
I think with Tesla taking a bit of a backseat on super charging and not replacing their cables with longer ones so non Teslas don't take up 2 spaces companies like EA can take some market share . I think they also are getting more dependable as their technology and maintenance improves . You can see their cables reach every EV that's parked in the charging space
Nice! We need more of these! Hope EA ups their game with these types of sites.
They announced 2 years ago they were doing this in New York and California.
The number of connectors is the critical thing. As you note, with enough "hoses" somebody is always leaving, much like a gas station. Nice to be indoors and secure, especially any place with extremes of weather. Finally...yes, I'm tired of having to stop at a gas station where I'm not likely making a purchase, to clean the bugs off the windshield (but that criticism applies to Costco Gas too).
Knowing the price of DC chargers, I wonder what this place cost and if they'll ever make a profit?
I'm sorry, but Electrify American Chargers in northern San Diego are a total mess. I see why Ford and (now) GM moved to Tesla chargers. Do you think Electrify American would get a clue from the huge market share loss? The charges are always down and take weeks to fix. When new plugs are installed, it takes months to get them active. I loved my ID.4 EV, but I had to sell it (EV parent company). I couldn't take the pain of dealing with broken chargers and long waits anymore. I bought a Mustang with access to Tesla chargers, and, so far, it's been good. I am always shocked that VW dealers do not have Electrify American chargers. Maybe someday, hopefully in my lifetime, EV gets its act together. I love to drive an ID.4 again.
Although this location is a beautiful design it is less practical compared to the gas station type setup Electrify America has in Baker California . Imagine trying to get into this facility while towing a boat or trailer.
I think each station was designed to be appropriate for its location. The design of the Baker station wouldn't work in downtown SF and vice versa.
Palm Springs would love a climate controlled venue
Who is paying for all that real-estate
The property owner who leases it to EA who makes money on charging.
Looks pretty cushy! Seems like it’s getting used pretty well too. Don’t know if I saw it or not, but a coffee machine would be nice. Thanks for the tour. P.s., I agree with the window washer comments!
Ummm...the Harris Ranch in California has 98 supercharger stalls. Plus a restaurant, a hotel, bathrooms, etc. So 20 stalls seems, well, adequate.
It's in the heart of San Francisco. I'd like to see anyone try to put 98 charging stalls in downtown SF. We literally charged at Harris Ranch earlier that day. Great stop but not perfect. ADA access wasn't great and no lounge area.
@@MachE_VLOG Ah. I Didn't realize it was in downtown SF. Nice that it is completely enclosed under a roof. I have found several supercharger stations that are similar in design to the one you were at, with a lounge, vending machines, wi-fi, etc, and they were also in the 20 or so stall range. Are you finding the EA chargers reliably available? How easy is it to charger the mustang at Tesla superchargers?
EA is unreliable and my experience has been terrible. It’s good to see what they are doing but they need to expand around the country.
No it isn’t unreliable . People drive cross country on ea all the time. Steve from RUclips channel plug and play ev drove his ionic 5 from Boston to Maine to Ohio and then across thru Indiana Illinois Iowa n Dakota Montana Idaho to Washington state and back home and it went great for him. He previously took his bolt from Boston to Austin Texas and back. No they work but most people on RUclips want to complain more than post when it is successful.
Great video guys, good job
Thanks Dmitriy!