I can't help feeling slightly apprehensive as psychedelics were and still are mainly for the expansion of consciousness and not to 'make people get fit again to function in a society that is profoundly sick'.
Couldn't "Expansion Of Consciousness" have a part in helping "People get fit again to function in a society that is profoundly sick"...but trying to get Better?
Thanks for your take on this! There is a flip side. A well tended small garden is better than a large garden that suffers neglect. We change the world by changing as individuals.
@@danieljones26 I think so. In my experience it's effective to use psychedelic states to work on oneself in a manner to come to terms with the hazards of society and how to cope and overcome those circumstances.
Ahhhh! What a delightful comment of a possible perception for a part of a Better World! Maybe "Rebel Wisdom" could do more about "Mindless Consumption"?
Oh, very good, my friend. I suspect a similar thing happened back in the 60s. Intelligence (Ha) agencies and militaries tried to use psychedelics for mind control. Oops.
Don't worry boy. They're still living in the same old capitalist system which will stress, squeeze, traumatise, disconnect them from their heart and make them sick once again. So don't worry, they'll come back. As long as they don't fundamentally change the social and and economic system then we're fine boy, we'll have a steady supply of sick customers for life..
@@Daniel-pr4uk Yep at best they have a proto class consciousness that they can't expand to the point of meaningful action. If you look on the internet today there are thousands of young people who directly know capitalism needs to go but haven't gotten the push to organize and even those who organize haven't figured out everything and could be working their minds to the bone to no end like those without class consciousness.
@@Daniel-pr4uk Bravo Daniel! very well said!! You truly understand the poisonous and immature nature of capitalism and what it does to the human spirit and heart!!
You guys are verbalising so much of my personal observations and intuitions! Thank you for being so insighful, with such astute analysis of current cultural currents time and time again.
@@halphantom2274 Ya know...I have that in mind. It's been years, and I keep waiting for the right time. Waiting. Waiting. Should I take this as the McKenna challenge to just go back in? Your post is perfectly timed. *Smoochie* right back at ya! 🔥
It's not the drug itself that causes the healing. It's the drug combined with intention and setting, the therapeutical and healing context. The experience of and encounter with sacredness. So if the drug is to be just released into society at large it's gonna get swallowed up into the void of the meaning crisis with little positive effect, much like how "mindfulness" has become paired with "mental training" and "self-improvement" being practiced in a hugely capitalist, market-driven corporate setting. Psychedelics is about the experience of sacredness, not a drug we take to "fix things", and if we have no cultural framework in which to practice and develop our connection to sacredness, it'll ruin the utility of the drug, in my opinion. It'll most likely just lead to more and more fragmentation and confusion in the culture as a whole.
Its an important question, how much credit do we owe to the drug and how much to the mindset and setting we take the drug in? Not to mention dosage. As Baba Kilindi said, at a high enough dose it won’t matter if you have a poster of Frankenstein on your wall. You won’t even be in the room to be affected by it. On the other hand, psychedelics and everything we learn about integrating them should be public domain. All knowledge about healing trauma and improving education and human experience should be public domain. If you discover it its a gift to be able to share it. Corpo influence may negate that impulse. Set up an economy that supports human freedom and self-actualization, and doesn’t sacrifice them. It’s possible. Defeat greed, then fear.
There is a certain intrinsically unique value in discovering psychedelics, almost accidentally, in the same way a spiritual teacher appears to the student when the student is ready. This cannot be replicated in a clinical setting, no matter how ethical the model is. Within the mushroom cultus, there is a shared sense that the little saints call out to those who are ready to partake of their sacrament. The more sensitive seeker, who is in true need of healing and not predisposed to abusing the offering as a party tool, will heed this inner voice and consult those around them who can offer wisdom and guidance. Ideally, one can have the experience (and even something approximating counseling) in a private setting with a close friend or two, and in this way more intimately enter into their desire to have a direct encounter with the truth of their being, and being itself. That sense of adventure, even danger, is lost or minimized in the clinical setting. Obviously, not everyone has access to this type of community, and I don't mean to denigrate the capitalistic-medical model. Some may respond better in a highly controlled environment with trained professionals, while others may find value in bucking the system. Perhaps the clinical model is more suited for those who would otherwise never find themselves encountering psychedelics "in the wild," so to speak. And so in this way we can expand their healing potential by providing a safe and controlled context for it to unfold. Yet, we must burn this into our mind: regardless of the ideal circumstances of setting, psychedelics will NOT be the pathway that leads us out of the bondage of the modern world and into the promised land of spiritual awakening and cultural renaissance. They are but a light in the darkness that can help us only to find that path. That path, of course, is the Holy One of God who reorients our broken and miserable lives toward divine beauty, truth, and goodness in the transcendent unity of being. That path, too, is simultaneously our destiny, one which opens out in like manner as our own vessel allows. And that is the eternal truth, far higher than anything psychedelics can ever offer.
@@tanakeilidh384 : That is flattering, but I'm afraid I'm just a simple man with no credentials or published work. I believe Rebel Wisdom has had some excellent discussions with Jonathan Pageau and John Vervaeke on the topics of spirituality, the meaning crisis, philosophy and metaphysics. Those would be worth looking in to, as well as the work that they do on their own channels.
So appreciate how you unwrap the complexities. "Set and setting" has always been the critical wisdom edge on psychedelics. Thank Goodness for MAPS.... and for Rebel WIsdom
This is a great introduction into this field, its opportunities, challenges, and ethical, and eventually practical perils. I have personal experience with family members with severe mental illness and engaging with current mental health and social well being systems as they exist today, along with the use of the dozens of traditional psychotropic drugs. It seems that this video is talking about addressing this community, with the new emerging psychedelic capitalism driven "Psychedelic Therapy." Given my own experience with the current system(s) for 35 years, I say this should be explored. The current system has many issues. However, you are only the scratching the surface of the nature of the problem coming at us. There are many many more designer drugs affecting mood and perception - legal and illegal, all emerging now with great potential for harm and benefit. All of these drugs affect a person's conscious awareness, perceptions and their mood and emotions - all of which make up our consciousness and what it means to be human. This problem was anticipated and addressed in the invaluable 2009 book by German philosopher Thomas Metzinger - “The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self.” Metzinger discusses the need for a new kind of ethics, a Consciousness ethics. From the relevant section: (p229-230) “Modern neuroethics will have to create a new approach to drug policy. The key question is, Which brain states should be legal? … which should be declared off limits? It’s important to remember that for thousands of years people of all cultures have used psychoactive substances to induce special states of consciousness: not merely religious ecstasy, relaxed cheerfulness, or heightened awareness but also simple, stupid intoxication. The new factor is that the tools are getting better. Therefore, we must decide which altered states can be integrated into our culture and which are to be avoided at all cost.” Metzinger is a German philosopher, and is a full professor and director of the theoretical philosophy group and the research group on neuroethics/neurophilosophy at the department of philosophy, Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, Germany. He is the founder and director of the MIND group and Adjunct Fellow at the Frankfurt Institute of Advanced Studies, Germany. The related non-profit, Mind-Foundation dot org, is an organization that "envisions a healthier, more connected world through evidence-based, safe, and legal applications of the psychedelic experience." Metzinger has been involved in starting up and leading other organizations that are looking at the ethical and practical implications and usages for these new and emerging drugs. I suggest Rebel Wisdom broaden its look into this and connect with Thomas Metzinger.
Even his neuroethics, which there is some seeming value in and provides a new set of ideas to work with, seems to just scratch a surface. What one might consider numbing or intoxicating, another might find transcendent... this could be due to our current chemical makeup state or how the stars align on a given day. The term: one mans trash is another mans treasure; comes to mind.
Thank you very much for creating this. In my view, Kat Conur brings up some profoundly important points from 19:57 onwards about the the need to see the broader picture and the bigger structures in society/economy that create such disharmony and trauma in people that leads to the need for people to seek healing in the first place.. In other words, not just try to put band aids to deal with the symptoms of social ills but to look at the STRUCTURAL ECONOMIC ROOT that leads to such a profoundly ill and out-of-harmony society (that then needs to seek healing).
Nah taking psychedelics (even in a therapeutic setting) doesn’t automatically make someone a better person, nor is everyone suited for psychedelics, nor is everyone interested in taking them and that should be respected
A guy who have studied narcissism for years recently visited Joe Rogan, and according to him a psychedelic experience does not transform these people that much, they only become more well-adjusted in their natural tendencies. So yeah, maybe a bit more empathy from them, but I wouldn't expect a radical change. These things only reveal what you have had inside in the first place, and eventually make you at peace with that.
I read a Buddhist masters testament out in the isolated woods for months. Meditating on the empty. Trying to understand the undying. Watching the river and thinking of death. I took a handful of mushrooms and the testament's words came to life. I understood in a way I cannot put in words, and was lost when I came back to my own patterns.
An interesting topic indeed.....because no one has mentioned it so far I want to mention the work of Rudolf Steiner in Anthroposophy and Valentin Thomberg in Christian Hermeticism, both of whom speak very knowledgeably of the mystery traditions and our spiritual evolution from them, into the present day. Their occult teachings of crossing the threshold of the spiritual world are of vital importance in relation to the topic of psychedelics. This is exactly what one is doing when one ingests psychedelics, entering into the spiritual world. What modern facilitators and therapeutic workers are there who are trained in the process of understanding the levels of the spiritual world and the beings who inhabit it and who potentially are lead back in by the participant ingesting, who has opened those doors?? (Aldous Huxley 'Doors of Perception'). We have developed over the past 5000 years of the Kali Yuga (in the west) an ego for the purpose of meeting the spiritual world anew, in full cognition and with faculties of understanding and willed intention so that we are utterly respectful and humble as we approach the door or open it, yet awake enough to know when to enter and when not to. There needs to be an appreciation, respect and utmost humility for the sacredness of what we are about to expose ourselves to in this new paradigm that I think is missing from the conversation. I'd like to hear Jonathon Pageaus take on this, or enquire into/invite Terry Boardman to participate as a critical voice in the conversation. Keep it critical Rebel Wisdom, you're doing a fascinating and deeply important job. ( Terry Boardman - Threeman.org)
I was bought up in a evangelical community but am now a humanist who value the role of religion. While in the church I saw many people with significant mental health issue have healing through what I now believe was a altered sense of conscious akin to hypnosis. These individual who where damaged by the system may have had chemical imbalance serve trauma ect were then supported by an intense sense of practical community support that actively showed care and love. The new found sense of belonging not only allowed people to find themselves it allowed them to feel connected to others and to something bigger than themselves. Drugs with support equals trouble. Raising conscious awareness equal trouble. The drive to the bottom equals trouble. I think a reframing of value is need that combines a wider understanding of profit as out line in the Ref lectures. I also worked in a project that had a therapeutic wet room where people would be given 20 minutes one to one while disinhibited and under the influence of alcohol. I felt strongly that there was real therapeutic beneficial insight gained when people were able to let the issue of pain pour from them, so I am not surprised at the finding of psycho active drugs. I think the therapeutics holistic frame and community is of vital importance if we are not simply to be stoned out of our minds, while the world goes to pot. I think being an active agent of positive change is healing and needs to be part of any holistic healing process.
Yes, it's all about the support after the initial healing. The lessons learned need to be incorporated into the living life. If they're just returning to their toxic environments then eventually they may end up back where they started. This has been my experience. Real change really comes through integration into concrete and consistent practices. Support and understanding of others is so important too.
"Money is the worse discovery of human life. But it is the most trusted material to test human nature." Buddha. It's certainly testing us from all angles.
@@firefly536 100% agree, but it is sadly, and making good things trashy along the way. Part of the amazing thing about psychedelics is that they're nature's gift, but then, so much is that's sold back to us and ultimately, money devalues things, and creates gulfs between us all. "Money is the universal agent of separation." Carl Marx
These comments are almost more insightful than the video and mostly alarming. I’m with Erik and the wonderful power of placebo - the best of the best is within us.
Thank you Rebel Wisdom! I, too, would have loved to have Terrence here for all of this. I bet he's looking on, now, though. There will never be another Terrence, but we have wise people today to turn to on the topic of beneficial psychedelic use, and the cautions to heed therein. I would love to see more of Jordan Peterson, Gabor Mate and Graham Hancock on this topic.
@@IonVid333 what we are experiencing today has been long in the making. He saw it coming, spoke of the heedlessness of humankind and the societal, governmental and environmental catastrophes occurring which have only amplified as far as I can tell. He spoke of our separation from nature and our loss of recognition and honoring of the devine femine, the goddess wisdom, and so much more. He indeed died of brain cancer. RIP TKM
Real healing, the type that psychedelics offer a limited window into, is made possible with love, attention and patience... this is not to say that this always feels nurturing or soft, as it can also take the guise of tough love, of showing you where your wounds are and pushing you to connect with those parts of ourselves we have been cut off from. Showing you up close and personal where your resistance lies. The difference between a shamanic guided experience and a doctor in a lab coat is already pretty vast, even when money may be involved in either scenario. What I see regularly within the context of these healing modalities is a disdain or mistrust in the financial element. That healing should be made available to all, especially perhaps to those who cannot afford it. This I think speaks to a possibly unconscious desire to be healed because that is more loving and compassionate, as opposed to just getting charged money for a magic pill and a few hours of post experience talk therapy. I think many want the same feeling as mommy bringing chicken soup to them and tucking them into bed. Imagine if mommy charged you $25 to do that. Hows your soup now? I am not criticizing those who need healing and cannot afford it. I am also not criticizing those who think these modalities should be made available to those who cannot afford them, but we all need to eat and make a living. Psychedelics are not a panacea and are only sometimes a magic pill. The healing comes most often through integration, through understanding the insights gained through our experience with them. This can take time. Some peoples walls take a while to climb and will need to do a lot more work than others. This is where the love and patience comes in... I do not see doctors in lab coats (or neo shamanic practioners) being able to fill the void of love and attention needed to heal the masses if its going to cost a lot of money and the masses have none. This being said, if you can afford to do this work, it can sometimes lead to powerfully transformative experiences. One potential positive is simply the growth of options available to us. But how to navigate those many options and make the right choice, given the financial elements, is messy.
Well said. And one sentence caught my eye in particular and stimulated a question: "One potential positive is simply the growth of options available to us." Trigger words, "Growth" and "Options". Could People grow their own Psychedelics?
12:05 What a fucked up limiting belief, that it has to be expensive: everyone can grow mushrooms in their house for 50,- Dollars and it is just that you find someone as a Guide (there are Circles out there, who do it for free). Pure Nonsense that it has to be costly, go out and if you are ready the mushrooms will find you! And what a ridiculous point that are a limited number of suppliers, Mother Nature supplies us! Mush Love
Im pretty sure he is talking about the care and the therapy that is usually done before and after. Therapy is very expensive. The treatments that are being studied all have therapy sessions before during and after the 'trip' and if the care is going to be ongoing it is obviously going to get expensive. I dont think he was referring to the cost of the drugs.
@@aleximilaras1989 I think you can effectively circumvent this, the Mushrooms do the healing and all the critics in the Video go somehow on the commercilation of the Psilocybin, it is just about the organisation of the afterwards integration, that can be done otherwise than with an expensive therapeut
@@aleximilaras1989 until we reach the next hurdle and wake up to the fact that therapy is a placebo for community and real connection. But, that may take another 50 years, psychedelics certainly did.
@@harriercarrier1699 like shamens did it 2000 years ago, they did not care what spanish priests said, they just did it and enjoyed the divinity, Mush Love
@@dudecctv that's what I find strange and unattractive about the current state of psychedelic therapy - the insistence on the presence of one or more therapists. I get that there's a bunch of reasons for it right now (liability springs to mind), but hopefully other modes of treatment will be used in the future, including conditional at-home use.
@@brandonthesteele agreed. I don’t want to have to be with a therapist to take psychedelics. I can lie down on a couch and eat mushrooms at home with a friend. Check out the community at www.howtousepsychedelics.com. That’s what they’re about.
Superficially dressing up a hospital room doesn’t change the environment, you still get the smells and feeling of a sterile dead space. This would would negatively impact the experience from such psychedelic tools. These tools give a yearning for the natural, alive, spaces of nature, you feel your connection with every other living being on this planet. To remove these aspects and replace them with such a sterile area is to go against the experience itself. I agree the frivolous use of these tools like some form of amusement park ride is a waste of time but there are ways to use these tools in ways to get their full potential. By this I don’t mean the opposite of the hospital setting which is some superficially spiritual, hippy dippy, miss mash of eastern Asian and mezo/south American mysticism/shamenistic practices with all the appearances of a Disney version of inner exploration.
I hear you and yet I wonder why one would need to use a hospital room. Maybe it's a funding issue? Some of those tasty $$$ from investors could go a long way to creating the "right" environment.
Greg Mullen If you’re (not you specifically) not comfortable in nature, then how the hell are you going to into the nature that is your own consciousness? Sigh. I just get sad when pure things get into the hands of the western paradigm. Honestly it’s disgraceful to me. I want it to be available to people but I don’t want civilization getting it’s grubby hands on it.
I love it when Alex does an interview. He actually smiles. And laughs. Which is such a good comportment to have. Especially when it comes to our psychedelic experiences. Sometimes I wonder whether life is itself not one big psychedelic experience. And that medicines like Ayahuasca actually make us see reality for what it is. Stripped of all its illusions. If only we could come away and apply what we learned. Without assimilating back into the artificiality for what passes for the real thing. Where no one is basically telling the truth. Dishonesty has become so built into the fabric of our society. And how we do business. That no one thinks anything about it. Everyone lies and cheats a little. And does not even notice. It’s the honest person. That everyone thinks is a little crazy. Why doesn’t he or she just get with the program. And lie like the rest of us. It’s the only way to get ahead in life. You’ve got to play the game.
The single time I did mushrooms 35 years ago I still recall as a wonderfully positive experience I'm surprised it's taken the modern world so long to realize there may be theraopuetic use for these drugs. If I had to select our most dysfunctional industry it would be medicine. Being wildly pro capitalism as I am I believe the lack of capitalism in medicine and healthcare is the problem. Government regulation and chrrony capitalism is the problem.
18 min in... "The Northstar Ethics Pledge"??? Why did they name that for the public? Too confusing. Why not call it what it is? "The Psychedelic Ethic Pledge". That word alone Psychedelic which is so hard to spell and so easy to trigger a persons response. Having the industry have a pledge to "do the best practice with psy-che-delic " would be huge.
After watching this video and reading the comments, these questions came up: Where do psychedelic sessions come from originally? From what cultures? Did the cultures integrate the use of psychedelics because of their phylosophy/ lifestyle? Or did the (accidental?) use of psychedelics influence/ shape their philosophy/ lifestyle? Example: Indigenous people in South America. Has the use of psychedelics change their way of living or has it reinforced it? Has their lifestyle benefited from the use of psychedelics? Have they been using psychedelics forever? Have their (spiritual) rituals always been accompanied by psychedelics? Does the 'outcome' of a psychedelic session depend (more) on the person's inside or (more) on the environment? Does every person need their specific environment to benefit from a psychedelic session? Or can there be a 'universal' environment (eg. a place in nature, or a retreat center in the style of a shaolin temple) for having a psychedelic session with benefits? Can the benefits of a psychedelic session be gained through different types of sessions? Are other types of sessions less popular or effective than psychedelic sessions? Is the use of psychedelics a lifestyle decision (like doing meditation regularly)? I have never done ayahuasca or anything similar, maybe by doing it I can answer some questions for myself. If someone has any answers, I would really appreciate a comment. To Rebel Wisdom: Thanks a lot for your great work, I love the interviews. Are there any with Indigenous shamans, and if not, could you ask some of my questions if you ever do an interview with a shaman? Thank you!
I appreciate your comment and questions, "Jakub Urbanski". One of your questions, I might be able to help a little bit with: "Have their (spiritual) rituals always been accompanied by psychedelics?" No. Not freshly ingested psychedelics, on an everyday basis. But in their everyday Living and Work they observe many little rituals (Taboos; some Spiritual, some Social) in between their use of psychedelics. Among these Tribal Peoples, the Spirit World is closer (partly because of the use of psychedelics, partly because of immersion in and Harmony With, Nature), than more "Civilized" Peoples. Their Shamans are agents for Tribal Wisdom in the use of psychedelics.
@@danieljones26 Thank you for the comment! I understand that these societies practice rituals with psychedelics on a regular basis, which lets me think that it is a lifestyle choice rather than a medicine/ cure. In the book Stealing Fire there the authors mention the ancient Greek rituals with psychedelics, which do not seem to serve the same purpose as the Indigenous' rituals. I remember that the Greeks would do a series of consciousness altering activities to become more open to unusual ideas and sensations. Is their early philosophy to be seen as a result of these alternated states' experiences? Maybe the state of mind both people (Greek and Indigenous) find themselves in when doing the rituals are similar, but the environment/ input causes the different interpretations of the world after the psychedelic sessions?
I'd love to go into the forest and meet a druid who would bring me into the world of mushrooms and plant medicine, but unfortunately it hasn't happened. So my next best option...
I think there is Good Vision that promotes Good Intention, for Psychedelic Medicine and Healing Systems. Good People can be helped with this rising from ancient times. So...I wish it success. The kind of "Success" that will increase the Good Strengths of Us, but not so much the selfish strengths of those who cannot Make Sense Of Limitations Of Decency in the Human Prosperity Quest. "Psychedelics" can be a very useful tool for Human Evolution.
For profit within the systems in which play will provide the same results and “Bad Actors” are clearly problematic results of said system. We need this but we need a new way to be...limit the mass extraction mentality to give all of humanity a chance to experience the fullness of life 🙏🏼
Psychedelics decriminalization: May 2019 Denver, Colorado. June 2019 Oakland, California. January 2020 Santa Cruz, California. September 2020 Ann Arbor, Michigan. Medical psilocybin(shrooms) legalization: November 2020 statewide Oregon.
You don't need companies or guides or experts you just need to do your own research and go outside and pick these wonderful food of the gods. Decriminalising them is enough and then let the people decide if they want to take them or not.
@mark traver I don't see how mainstreaming psychedelics is gong to stop you from using them in a sacred way. I think more than they must be used sacred is people individually and collectively should be allowed to use them in how they see fit. It's not for me to tell you how to use them. Offering more contexts for them to be used in allows people with different belief systems access.
I'll be taking part at my first dieta in the Amazon in Peru next week. Three weeks including 10 ayahuasca ceremonies. A very powerful medicine if taken in the right context. The shamans are miles ahead of our western medicine when it comes to trauma therapy, healing and improving your life in general. We have a lot to learn!
I heard that some people got schizophrenia after some ayuascha trip. Try zen meditation instead to heal you. You don't take any substances, as side effects only calm. But this will require time
@@Kannot2023 Thanks a lot for your tip! I already did a three-day ayahuasca ceremony last summer in Europe which I thankfully tolerated quite well, so I am not worried too much. Based on this I decided to do the dieta which will hopefully be an even more profound experience (I have no doubt about that to be honest^^)
@@andrein3362Yes, but meanwhile it is only allowed to fly from Europe to Peru with a stopover in another south american country, PCR test etc. Not the best time to travel now of course. The organization has been getting increasingly complicated the last days and no one can tell, if the flights get cancelled (again) short-term.
We're evolving as we speak. Do you believe in god or do you believe in evolution? Is there a difference? If you don't believe in God and you believe in evolution then string that thought a little farther and believe that evolution is in your genes and look around. 200,000 years and we didn't have a car until 1908. We didn't have internet in most homes until 1990 and now we're talking about quantum supremacy. Our brains are evolving.
Not sure about this because I’m sure if you took a baby at day 1 from 200,000 years ago and brought them up today, they would not be somehow hindered by their cognitive functions, the “evolution” you are witnessing is a matter of linguistics. The term evolution is bounded about but has a definition in biology. The progress you see in tech is a by product of the amount of brains working in certain fields, for example 150 years ago the amount of scientists in the fields that existed then was few and far between, since then each field starts with break throughs by individuals or groups then grow until new fields are opened by further discoveries and so on. By the way the oldest anatomical human is around 316,000 years ago from Jabel irhout in Morocco
@@chemicalreagent120 in terms of bandwidth, the amount of bytes of information being assimilated into conciousness to form understanding, versus what was transmitted orally and through text, as little as 100 years ago; it's no comparison.
There is a shift happening. It's the internet. Our consciousness exists in 2 dimensions of space. We are globalizing. Jungian psychology and the levels of conciousness. There is the personal unconscious and the collective unconscious. The collective unconscious is now connected digitally. We are shifting into a completely different frequency. Look into his works on aeon. Its beyond comprehension lol. Theres a huge shift and awakening. There are no people without consciousness, and if you are conciousness then you should stop to think HOW you can stop to think. Conciousness is inexplicable to science. Either you were put here by god or your exploded stardust that can think and has evolution built in. Look up aeon.
Why Terrence Mackena was not mentioned in this video? He probably was the most profound and insightful psychedelics thinker ever and put a lot of brain to the same very questions debated here.
Kat conour is wrong about the Rich getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, for example the poor of Britain today are way better off in real terms than the poor 200 years ago and they were better off than the serfs of medieval Britain too
You should study relativity and then check out some income graphs dating back to the 50s. Modern day serfdom might include an iphone tracking device and refrigeration, but its no less destabilizing.
The colonization of psychedelic/entheogenic practices by Big Psychology diminishes the contextual richness from where the practices of ingesting compounds come from and implicitly support a Metaphysical/political stance.
Well you can hardly expect western countries to not frame psychedelic use through their own cultural lens. Psychedelic capitalism is mostly focused around western countries and doesn't stop indigenous people from using it in their traditional ways. Indigenous ways of using might be (at scale) incompatible with the metaphysical / moral belief systems of the west. Doesn't mean we're not allowed psychedelics and doesn't mean they can't used under different cultural systems.
Erik Davis said mindfulness is a Panacea but it isn't Panacea meaning is ... "Noun a solution or remedy for ALL difficulties or diseases." Plus you know when you've had a big dose of mushies its not all placebo even if some of it is.
Kat Conour made such an astute and salient point around this treatment appearing to be swept forward on a crest of the very thing that increases a need for it (not demand), the free market paradigm.
as far as entheogen hitting our culture too quickly is utterly ridiculous. this idea of us not being ready.....nonsense. we are dying for it so let the cards fall where they may.
I believe we need to slow down psychedelics integration into our cultures, otherwise we will create a short winded wave of messy medicine we very mixed results. The guides need to be guided first. We should prioritize putting trainers through guided psychedelic therapy sessions and only when ready teach them how to guide others. At the same time we should prioritized the most traumatized people in our society for the greatest net benefit within that society. (a lot of aftercare and support needed) Build the foundation of shaman and prioritize the people highly addicted to something that want to change
As someone who knows this medicine well, I agree that a “direct experience” is only as valuable as the quality of the “integration process” that accompanies it. Anyone who is serving as a facilitator, must have the understanding and knowledge to “connect the dots” of such an experience, as well as the wisdom to allow the medicine to do its work. It is a bit of a high wire act, literally anything can “come up”, from past lives to rebirth to a total ego annihilation.
Everything becomes a tour with psychedelics . Im going to have people leisurely stroll around the small pond in my back yard while they think their in a Celtic faieyland. 🎵🎵🎶🌼🌻🍄🍄🍄🍄🎵🎶🎵🎶
Psychedelics should be completely legal for all uses. Forcing people who want to use them into therapy sounds like a recipe for a bad trip. It seems like the government is trying to coopt psychedelics in a way that benefits them.
Unless people utilise drugs with respect and moderation (which we all know people don't do) then the results are of course going to be negative. Treating a sick culture and society with drugs is never the answer. At best we will forget our underlying issues thanks to the substances, at worst society continues in its decline, with us in a stupor, until it eventually collapses.
Dan Richards That’s how typical “drugs” work; not psychedelics. They make you remember, not forget. I’m going to guess that you don’t have direct experience with them. They don’t heal you. They open up doors in consciousness that allow you to heal yourself.
@Dan Richards You know not of which you speak. I do agree though, that psychedelics do call for the greatest respect and have the potential to instil as much harm as good given any number of variables, just like anything (fire, water). I think that intention and mindfulness on every level are of the utmost importance in mainstreaming these powerful potential allies. I also cringe a little bit to hear them referred to as "drugs" as they are unlike any thing but themselves. They are clinically proven to not be addictive in any way, although anyone who has experienced them can easily vouch for this, and they enhance perceptual and cognitive awareness... they do not create any kind of "stupor."
Also, Dan, psychedelics have a way of showing a person exactly where the root of their issues lie. They reveal, they do not lend to masking and forgetting. They can indeed be ruthless in uncovering truths about ourselves that we may have a fear of or a resistance to facing, confronting and coming to terms with. But that is exactly what is needed for the kind of deep healing our society calls for now if we are to survive ourselves.
Problem here is this term “drugs” how can we have a grown up serious discussion about these substances by lumping them all in together? The differences between psychedelics or opiates, disassociatives, cannabinoids and amphetamines to name a few that hardly overlap in action, function, experiences or results.
In my opinion, calling it Psychedelic- Crony - Vampire Capitalism is describing something other than classical Capitalism. We should perhaps call it Corporate Fascism, coz it certainly is not what Adam Smith was writing about.
I love this channel and the topic is fascinating but with respect the idea that people who are primarily interested in making mega bucks are going to maintain the integrity of something that is in its essence sacred, is balderdash. They" ll use it to make mega bucks inorder to subdue the masses from their grim reality. Once money and politics get involved in anything decent, its over.
Personally, I'm a bit upset. Psychodelics should be used with a shaman. They know what to do when you're in another level such as tempo of song and musical instrument used at the time
When someone says they are 'very excited' about the commercial development of a product, whether it's psilocybin or plastic cups, you know bulsh.t is around the corner.
Gosh, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so - my initial reaction is : "Leave the ship boys, before its too late!" I don't see how any real heads will make it through this hijacking: the machine will either recruit you or run you over. Is anyone thinking they'll be able to sit on the fence and watch it all, an in detached "enlightened" way? Only people I've seen supporting this are either too naïve or too invested. It's true... There were times when I did say "wow, everyone has to try this!!, but c'mon, I was young and stupid - I take it back now! ha LOL: maybe US will fall faster than we think, thus providing the only hope in not spreading the "virus"
getting sensitve in this world can be trouble, just like anything else there,s good side and bad,everyone,s different ,you may only have to do it once,corps. don,t make money ....
All drugs should be decriminalised! Punishing addicts isn’t the answer ! And psychedelics should of never of been made illegal! They are our birth right. They are not drugs they are the solution to many of our cultural problems and have been apart of human life for thousands of years and this little blip in time is a ridiculous time with all the greedy people who don’t want the lid to come off this !!
I would think that this is a good opportunity to address a more workable and sensible change to the regulation of all drugs. The best proposals I’ve ever come across (and I’ve looked at many over several past decades) is from Transform Drug Policy Foundation. Do give their site a visit. transformdrugs.org/ . Think that the audience that RW is trying to reach would welcome the topic explored of what popper drug regulations would look like and how that would improve the well-being of society and the positive changes it would bring to our culture. I wouldn’t get too exited by IPO’s. There is a lot of ‘wealth’ being shuffled about right now and shares are just a temporary haven. The long term success of new pharmaceutical IPO’s is dependant on too many things going their way and the established pharma cartels will fight them tooth and claw, using all the governmental regulatory might that they have wormed their way into controlling. We need to break those ties first.
I can't help feeling slightly apprehensive as psychedelics were and still are mainly for the expansion of consciousness and not to 'make people get fit again to function in a society that is profoundly sick'.
Christa Mackinnon Yes! That’s my concern as well with established systems getting their hands on this.
well said!
Couldn't "Expansion Of Consciousness" have a part in helping "People get fit again to function in a society that is profoundly sick"...but trying to get Better?
Thanks for your take on this! There is a flip side. A well tended small garden is better than a large garden that suffers neglect. We change the world by changing as individuals.
@@danieljones26 I think so. In my experience it's effective to use psychedelic states to work on oneself in a manner to come to terms with the hazards of society and how to cope and overcome those circumstances.
YES YES YES!! There isn't enough of this being discussed as psychedelics go mainstream. Set my reminder for the premiere-can't wait!
‘Look another thing to sell”
.. ‘erh boss, they bought it and now realise mindless consumption is pointless... we fucked up”
Ahhhh! What a delightful comment of a possible perception for a part of a Better World! Maybe "Rebel Wisdom" could do more about "Mindless Consumption"?
Oh, very good, my friend. I suspect a similar thing happened back in the 60s. Intelligence (Ha) agencies and militaries tried to use psychedelics for mind control. Oops.
Don't worry boy. They're still living in the same old capitalist system which will stress, squeeze, traumatise, disconnect them from their heart and make them sick once again. So don't worry, they'll come back. As long as they don't fundamentally change the social and and economic system then we're fine boy, we'll have a steady supply of sick customers for life..
@@Daniel-pr4uk Yep at best they have a proto class consciousness that they can't expand to the point of meaningful action. If you look on the internet today there are thousands of young people who directly know capitalism needs to go but haven't gotten the push to organize and even those who organize haven't figured out everything and could be working their minds to the bone to no end like those without class consciousness.
@@Daniel-pr4uk Bravo Daniel! very well said!! You truly understand the poisonous and immature nature of capitalism and what it does to the human spirit and heart!!
You guys are verbalising so much of my personal observations and intuitions! Thank you for being so insighful, with such astute analysis of current cultural currents time and time again.
Wish Sir McKenna were here to see the glimmers of his vision begin to emerge in such a turbulent time. ❤️🌼🏴☠️🙏🔥
We probably need his knowledge and views on today’s matters more than ever before.
Emulate him in your mind!
All you need is 5 dried grams on an empty stomache in silent darkness.
xD
*smoochie*
@@halphantom2274 Ya know...I have that in mind. It's been years, and I keep waiting for the right time. Waiting. Waiting. Should I take this as the McKenna challenge to just go back in? Your post is perfectly timed.
*Smoochie* right back at ya! 🔥
Terrence wouldn’t see mainstreaming as a good idea...ever.
@@conda35 take some mushys if you want to access the knowledge
It's not the drug itself that causes the healing. It's the drug combined with intention and setting, the therapeutical and healing context. The experience of and encounter with sacredness. So if the drug is to be just released into society at large it's gonna get swallowed up into the void of the meaning crisis with little positive effect, much like how "mindfulness" has become paired with "mental training" and "self-improvement" being practiced in a hugely capitalist, market-driven corporate setting.
Psychedelics is about the experience of sacredness, not a drug we take to "fix things", and if we have no cultural framework in which to practice and develop our connection to sacredness, it'll ruin the utility of the drug, in my opinion. It'll most likely just lead to more and more fragmentation and confusion in the culture as a whole.
Well considered and said, "Yeaown". I will keep your cautionary comments within view.
Yes youre correct. As the lady said in the vid "bastardisation of psyco drugs".
Turning nihilistic, like the opioid crisis, a psychedelic crisis.
Its an important question, how much credit do we owe to the drug and how much to the mindset and setting we take the drug in? Not to mention dosage. As Baba Kilindi said, at a high enough dose it won’t matter if you have a poster of Frankenstein on your wall. You won’t even be in the room to be affected by it.
On the other hand, psychedelics and everything we learn about integrating them should be public domain. All knowledge about healing trauma and improving education and human experience should be public domain. If you discover it its a gift to be able to share it. Corpo influence may negate that impulse.
Set up an economy that supports human freedom and self-actualization, and doesn’t sacrifice them. It’s possible. Defeat greed, then fear.
Bravo! Very well said!
As a child of the 60s, I find this topic fascinating.
There is a certain intrinsically unique value in discovering psychedelics, almost accidentally, in the same way a spiritual teacher appears to the student when the student is ready. This cannot be replicated in a clinical setting, no matter how ethical the model is. Within the mushroom cultus, there is a shared sense that the little saints call out to those who are ready to partake of their sacrament. The more sensitive seeker, who is in true need of healing and not predisposed to abusing the offering as a party tool, will heed this inner voice and consult those around them who can offer wisdom and guidance. Ideally, one can have the experience (and even something approximating counseling) in a private setting with a close friend or two, and in this way more intimately enter into their desire to have a direct encounter with the truth of their being, and being itself. That sense of adventure, even danger, is lost or minimized in the clinical setting.
Obviously, not everyone has access to this type of community, and I don't mean to denigrate the capitalistic-medical model. Some may respond better in a highly controlled environment with trained professionals, while others may find value in bucking the system. Perhaps the clinical model is more suited for those who would otherwise never find themselves encountering psychedelics "in the wild," so to speak. And so in this way we can expand their healing potential by providing a safe and controlled context for it to unfold. Yet, we must burn this into our mind: regardless of the ideal circumstances of setting, psychedelics will NOT be the pathway that leads us out of the bondage of the modern world and into the promised land of spiritual awakening and cultural renaissance. They are but a light in the darkness that can help us only to find that path. That path, of course, is the Holy One of God who reorients our broken and miserable lives toward divine beauty, truth, and goodness in the transcendent unity of being. That path, too, is simultaneously our destiny, one which opens out in like manner as our own vessel allows. And that is the eternal truth, far higher than anything psychedelics can ever offer.
Galilee Stables, well said and very knowledgeable and practical.
@Galilee Stables Thank you, how eloquently stated. I'd watch a Rebel Wisdom film featuring you. Do you have any published work we could access?
I too would like to subscribe to you.
@@tanakeilidh384 : That is flattering, but I'm afraid I'm just a simple man with no credentials or published work. I believe Rebel Wisdom has had some excellent discussions with Jonathan Pageau and John Vervaeke on the topics of spirituality, the meaning crisis, philosophy and metaphysics. Those would be worth looking in to, as well as the work that they do on their own channels.
Well put! This is also another take on the subject spoken by a spiritual teacher, it's very interesting: ruclips.net/video/gMIN5oByZN4/видео.html
So appreciate how you unwrap the complexities. "Set and setting" has always been the critical wisdom edge on psychedelics. Thank Goodness for MAPS.... and for Rebel WIsdom
Confusing gurus and teachers, psychedelics, rebel wisdom. One up man ship and a desire to be the one that knows. Love, literally, is all you need
Self-understanding is all you need.
@@JeffCaplan313 I only know what I am not. I'd love to see proof of what I am or what anyone is. I have clues, but no proof. Do you have proof?
This is a great introduction into this field, its opportunities, challenges, and ethical, and eventually practical perils. I have personal experience with family members with severe mental illness and engaging with current mental health and social well being systems as they exist today, along with the use of the dozens of traditional psychotropic drugs. It seems that this video is talking about addressing this community, with the new emerging psychedelic capitalism driven "Psychedelic Therapy." Given my own experience with the current system(s) for 35 years, I say this should be explored.
The current system has many issues.
However, you are only the scratching the surface of the nature of the problem coming at us. There are many many more designer drugs affecting mood and perception - legal and illegal, all emerging now with great potential for harm and benefit. All of these drugs affect a person's conscious awareness, perceptions and their mood and emotions - all of which make up our consciousness and what it means to be human.
This problem was anticipated and addressed in the invaluable 2009 book by German philosopher Thomas Metzinger - “The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self.” Metzinger discusses the need for a new kind of ethics, a Consciousness ethics. From the relevant section: (p229-230) “Modern neuroethics will have to create a new approach to drug policy. The key question is, Which brain states should be legal? … which should be declared off limits? It’s important to remember that for thousands of years people of all cultures have used psychoactive substances to induce special states of consciousness: not merely religious ecstasy, relaxed cheerfulness, or heightened awareness but also simple, stupid intoxication. The new factor is that the tools are getting better. Therefore, we must decide which altered states can be integrated into our culture and which are to be avoided at all cost.”
Metzinger is a German philosopher, and is a full professor and director of the theoretical philosophy group and the research group on neuroethics/neurophilosophy at the department of philosophy, Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, Germany.
He is the founder and director of the MIND group and Adjunct Fellow at the Frankfurt Institute of Advanced Studies, Germany. The related non-profit, Mind-Foundation dot org, is an organization that "envisions a healthier, more connected world through evidence-based, safe, and legal applications of the psychedelic experience." Metzinger has been involved in starting up and leading other organizations that are looking at the ethical and practical implications and usages for these new and emerging drugs. I suggest Rebel Wisdom broaden its look into this and connect with Thomas Metzinger.
Thank you, "Jim Loving". For this introduction to the Work of "Thomas Metzinger". I wonder what he has to say about "Consciousness Ethics"?
Even his neuroethics, which there is some seeming value in and provides a new set of ideas to work with, seems to just scratch a surface. What one might consider numbing or intoxicating, another might find transcendent... this could be due to our current chemical makeup state or how the stars align on a given day. The term: one mans trash is another mans treasure; comes to mind.
Thank you very much for creating this.
In my view, Kat Conur brings up some profoundly important points from 19:57 onwards about the the need to see the broader picture and the bigger structures in society/economy that create such disharmony and trauma in people that leads to the need for people to seek healing in the first place..
In other words, not just try to put band aids to deal with the symptoms of social ills but to look at the STRUCTURAL ECONOMIC ROOT that leads to such a profoundly ill and out-of-harmony society (that then needs to seek healing).
Yeeeesss! This is exactly what needs to be talked about! Rebel Wisdom, you are utterly incapable of failure, I cannot wait!
Now if we can only mandate our leaders take a few therapeutic sessions so they become a bit more human?
Nah taking psychedelics (even in a therapeutic setting) doesn’t automatically make someone a better person, nor is everyone suited for psychedelics, nor is everyone interested in taking them and that should be respected
@@nuhippie Yes, I know. I was just attempting some levity during difficult times we're in.
@@merlepatterson haha gotcha
@@nuhippie It's all good. Peace! :)
A guy who have studied narcissism for years recently visited Joe Rogan, and according to him a psychedelic experience does not transform these people that much, they only become more well-adjusted in their natural tendencies. So yeah, maybe a bit more empathy from them, but I wouldn't expect a radical change. These things only reveal what you have had inside in the first place, and eventually make you at peace with that.
I read a Buddhist masters testament out in the isolated woods for months. Meditating on the empty. Trying to understand the undying. Watching the river and thinking of death. I took a handful of mushrooms and the testament's words came to life. I understood in a way I cannot put in words, and was lost when I came back to my own patterns.
Thank you for this video, it was a really good introduction to this debate and helped me understand it better :)
An interesting topic indeed.....because no one has mentioned it so far I want to mention the work of Rudolf Steiner in Anthroposophy and Valentin Thomberg in Christian Hermeticism, both of whom speak very knowledgeably of the mystery traditions and our spiritual evolution from them, into the present day. Their occult teachings of crossing the threshold of the spiritual world are of vital importance in relation to the topic of psychedelics. This is exactly what one is doing when one ingests psychedelics, entering into the spiritual world. What modern facilitators and therapeutic workers are there who are trained in the process of understanding the levels of the spiritual world and the beings who inhabit it and who potentially are lead back in by the participant ingesting, who has opened those doors?? (Aldous Huxley 'Doors of Perception'). We have developed over the past 5000 years of the Kali Yuga (in the west) an ego for the purpose of meeting the spiritual world anew, in full cognition and with faculties of understanding and willed intention so that we are utterly respectful and humble as we approach the door or open it, yet awake enough to know when to enter and when not to. There needs to be an appreciation, respect and utmost humility for the sacredness of what we are about to expose ourselves to in this new paradigm that I think is missing from the conversation. I'd like to hear Jonathon Pageaus take on this, or enquire into/invite Terry Boardman to participate as a critical voice in the conversation. Keep it critical Rebel Wisdom, you're doing a fascinating and deeply important job. ( Terry Boardman - Threeman.org)
I was bought up in a evangelical community but am now a humanist who value the role of religion. While in the church I saw many people with significant mental health issue have healing through what I now believe was a altered sense of conscious akin to hypnosis. These individual who where damaged by the system may have had chemical imbalance serve trauma ect were then supported by an intense sense of practical community support that actively showed care and love. The new found sense of belonging not only allowed people to find themselves it allowed them to feel connected to others and to something bigger than themselves. Drugs with support equals trouble. Raising conscious awareness equal trouble. The drive to the bottom equals trouble. I think a reframing of value is need that combines a wider understanding of profit as out line in the Ref lectures.
I also worked in a project that had a therapeutic wet room where people would be given 20 minutes one to one while disinhibited and under the influence of alcohol. I felt strongly that there was real therapeutic beneficial insight gained when people were able to let the issue of pain pour from them, so I am not surprised at the finding of psycho active drugs. I think the therapeutics holistic frame and community is of vital importance if we are not simply to be stoned out of our minds, while the world goes to pot. I think being an active agent of positive change is healing and needs to be part of any holistic healing process.
Yes, it's all about the support after the initial healing. The lessons learned need to be incorporated into the living life. If they're just returning to their toxic environments then eventually they may end up back where they started. This has been my experience. Real change really comes through integration into concrete and consistent practices. Support and understanding of others is so important too.
Recharge those Transcendent Lives. Value them enough to protect them from toxic reality. (Hint: True Transcendence is strong and durable.)
The answer is "capitalism's sneakiest cash grab yet".
I don’t know ant my drugs taxed ,controlled or legal
The catch 22 is that psychedelics generally cause people to care less about material objects like money. That'll get em good.
Capitalism = egoism....The more power you have in thE GOld world the less power you have in the real world ...REVOLVER.
"Money is the worse discovery of human life. But it is the most trusted material to test human nature." Buddha. It's certainly testing us from all angles.
Even when all of it is constructed, faux, whether paper or cryptographed. How can a non existent run all of our lives?
@@firefly536 100% agree, but it is sadly, and making good things trashy along the way. Part of the amazing thing about psychedelics is that they're nature's gift, but then, so much is that's sold back to us and ultimately, money devalues things, and creates gulfs between us all. "Money is the universal agent of separation." Carl Marx
These comments are almost more insightful than the video and mostly alarming. I’m with Erik and the wonderful power of placebo - the best of the best is within us.
Thank you Rebel Wisdom!
I, too, would have loved to have Terrence here for all of this. I bet he's looking on, now, though.
There will never be another Terrence, but we have wise people today to turn to on the topic of beneficial psychedelic use, and the cautions to heed therein. I would love to see more of Jordan Peterson, Gabor Mate and Graham Hancock on this topic.
Also Dennis McKenna!
And Paul Stamets!
I think Terence would get a huge brain tumor seeing the world today. oh...
@@IonVid333 what we are experiencing today has been long in the making. He saw it coming, spoke of the heedlessness of humankind and the societal, governmental and environmental catastrophes occurring which have only amplified as far as I can tell. He spoke of our separation from nature and our loss of recognition and honoring of the devine femine, the goddess wisdom, and so much more. He indeed died of brain cancer.
RIP TKM
Real healing, the type that psychedelics offer a limited window into, is made possible with love, attention and patience... this is not to say that this always feels nurturing or soft, as it can also take the guise of tough love, of showing you where your wounds are and pushing you to connect with those parts of ourselves we have been cut off from. Showing you up close and personal where your resistance lies.
The difference between a shamanic guided experience and a doctor in a lab coat is already pretty vast, even when money may be involved in either scenario. What I see regularly within the context of these healing modalities is a disdain or mistrust in the financial element. That healing should be made available to all, especially perhaps to those who cannot afford it. This I think speaks to a possibly unconscious desire to be healed because that is more loving and compassionate, as opposed to just getting charged money for a magic pill and a few hours of post experience talk therapy. I think many want the same feeling as mommy bringing chicken soup to them and tucking them into bed. Imagine if mommy charged you $25 to do that. Hows your soup now?
I am not criticizing those who need healing and cannot afford it. I am also not criticizing those who think these modalities should be made available to those who cannot afford them, but we all need to eat and make a living.
Psychedelics are not a panacea and are only sometimes a magic pill. The healing comes most often through integration, through understanding the insights gained through our experience with them. This can take time. Some peoples walls take a while to climb and will need to do a lot more work than others.
This is where the love and patience comes in... I do not see doctors in lab coats (or neo shamanic practioners) being able to fill the void of love and attention needed to heal the masses if its going to cost a lot of money and the masses have none. This being said, if you can afford to do this work, it can sometimes lead to powerfully transformative experiences. One potential positive is simply the growth of options available to us. But how to navigate those many options and make the right choice, given the financial elements, is messy.
Well said. And one sentence caught my eye in particular and stimulated a question:
"One potential positive is simply the growth of options available to us." Trigger words, "Growth" and "Options".
Could People grow their own Psychedelics?
@@danieljones26 thats certainly an option. ;)
Great video well put together - very thought provoking, thanks
Thank you again for amplifying these voices!
12:05 What a fucked up limiting belief, that it has to be expensive: everyone can grow mushrooms in their house for 50,- Dollars and it is just that you find someone as a Guide (there are Circles out there, who do it for free). Pure Nonsense that it has to be costly, go out and if you are ready the mushrooms will find you! And what a ridiculous point that are a limited number of suppliers, Mother Nature supplies us! Mush Love
Im pretty sure he is talking about the care and the therapy that is usually done before and after. Therapy is very expensive. The treatments that are being studied all have therapy sessions before during and after the 'trip' and if the care is going to be ongoing it is obviously going to get expensive. I dont think he was referring to the cost of the drugs.
@@aleximilaras1989 I think you can effectively circumvent this, the Mushrooms do the healing and all the critics in the Video go somehow on the commercilation of the Psilocybin, it is just about the organisation of the afterwards integration, that can be done otherwise than with an expensive therapeut
@@aleximilaras1989 until we reach the next hurdle and wake up to the fact that therapy is a placebo for community and real connection. But, that may take another 50 years, psychedelics certainly did.
@@harriercarrier1699 like shamens did it 2000 years ago, they did not care what spanish priests said, they just did it and enjoyed the divinity, Mush Love
The price of a journey with a therapist is rediculous
It's like 800 bux
It's healing for the rich
Still cheaper than seeing your regular therapist and taking your SSRI for three months.
Better off going somewhere cool and safe with a good friend and doing it that way
You don’t need a therapist. You need psychedelics and community support.
@@dudecctv that's what I find strange and unattractive about the current state of psychedelic therapy - the insistence on the presence of one or more therapists.
I get that there's a bunch of reasons for it right now (liability springs to mind), but hopefully other modes of treatment will be used in the future, including conditional at-home use.
@@brandonthesteele agreed. I don’t want to have to be with a therapist to take psychedelics. I can lie down on a couch and eat mushrooms at home with a friend.
Check out the community at www.howtousepsychedelics.com. That’s what they’re about.
Superficially dressing up a hospital room doesn’t change the environment, you still get the smells and feeling of a sterile dead space. This would would negatively impact the experience from such psychedelic tools. These tools give a yearning for the natural, alive, spaces of nature, you feel your connection with every other living being on this planet. To remove these aspects and replace them with such a sterile area is to go against the experience itself. I agree the frivolous use of these tools like some form of amusement park ride is a waste of time but there are ways to use these tools in ways to get their full potential. By this I don’t mean the opposite of the hospital setting which is some superficially spiritual, hippy dippy, miss mash of eastern Asian and mezo/south American mysticism/shamenistic practices with all the appearances of a Disney version of inner exploration.
Chemical Reagent I cringed when I saw that too.
You can still go camping and eat shrooms. Some people only trust the sterile environment.
I hear you and yet I wonder why one would need to use a hospital room. Maybe it's a funding issue? Some of those tasty $$$ from investors could go a long way to creating the "right" environment.
Greg Mullen If you’re (not you specifically) not comfortable in nature, then how the hell are you going to into the nature that is your own consciousness? Sigh. I just get sad when pure things get into the hands of the western paradigm. Honestly it’s disgraceful to me. I want it to be available to people but I don’t want civilization getting it’s grubby hands on it.
It is difficult to experience this alone. I would love to facilitate this support system for those on the path to healing.
I love it when Alex does an interview. He actually smiles. And laughs. Which is such a good comportment to have. Especially when it comes to our psychedelic experiences.
Sometimes I wonder whether life is itself not one big psychedelic experience. And that medicines like Ayahuasca actually make us see reality for what it is. Stripped of all its illusions. If only we could come away and apply what we learned. Without assimilating back into the artificiality for what passes for the real thing. Where no one is basically telling the truth. Dishonesty has become so built into the fabric of our society. And how we do business. That no one thinks anything about it.
Everyone lies and cheats a little. And does not even notice. It’s the honest person. That everyone thinks is a little crazy. Why doesn’t he or she just get with the program. And lie like the rest of us. It’s the only way to get ahead in life. You’ve got to play the game.
Great video, thank you for your efforts.
The single time I did mushrooms 35 years ago I still recall as a wonderfully positive experience
I'm surprised it's taken the modern world so long to realize there may be theraopuetic use for these drugs.
If I had to select our most dysfunctional industry it would be medicine.
Being wildly pro capitalism as I am I believe the lack of capitalism in medicine and healthcare is the problem. Government regulation and chrrony capitalism is the problem.
18 min in... "The Northstar Ethics Pledge"??? Why did they name that for the public? Too confusing. Why not call it what it is? "The Psychedelic Ethic Pledge". That word alone Psychedelic which is so hard to spell and so easy to trigger a persons response. Having the industry have a pledge to "do the best practice with psy-che-delic " would be huge.
After watching this video and reading the comments, these questions came up:
Where do psychedelic sessions come from originally?
From what cultures?
Did the cultures integrate the use of psychedelics because of their phylosophy/ lifestyle?
Or did the (accidental?) use of psychedelics influence/ shape their philosophy/ lifestyle?
Example: Indigenous people in South America.
Has the use of psychedelics change their way of living or has it reinforced it?
Has their lifestyle benefited from the use of psychedelics?
Have they been using psychedelics forever?
Have their (spiritual) rituals always been accompanied by psychedelics?
Does the 'outcome' of a psychedelic session depend (more) on the person's inside or (more) on the environment?
Does every person need their specific environment to benefit from a psychedelic session?
Or can there be a 'universal' environment (eg. a place in nature, or a retreat center in the style of a shaolin temple) for having a psychedelic session with benefits?
Can the benefits of a psychedelic session be gained through different types of sessions?
Are other types of sessions less popular or effective than psychedelic sessions?
Is the use of psychedelics a lifestyle decision (like doing meditation regularly)?
I have never done ayahuasca or anything similar, maybe by doing it I can answer some questions for myself. If someone has any answers, I would really appreciate a comment.
To Rebel Wisdom: Thanks a lot for your great work, I love the interviews. Are there any with Indigenous shamans, and if not, could you ask some of my questions if you ever do an interview with a shaman?
Thank you!
I appreciate your comment and questions, "Jakub Urbanski". One of your questions, I might be able to help a little bit with:
"Have their (spiritual) rituals always been accompanied by psychedelics?"
No. Not freshly ingested psychedelics, on an everyday basis. But in their everyday Living and Work they observe many little rituals (Taboos; some Spiritual, some Social) in between their use of psychedelics. Among these Tribal Peoples, the Spirit World is closer (partly because of the use of psychedelics, partly because of immersion in and Harmony With, Nature), than more "Civilized" Peoples. Their Shamans are agents for Tribal Wisdom in the use of psychedelics.
@@danieljones26 Thank you for the comment! I understand that these societies practice rituals with psychedelics on a regular basis, which lets me think that it is a lifestyle choice rather than a medicine/ cure. In the book Stealing Fire there the authors mention the ancient Greek rituals with psychedelics, which do not seem to serve the same purpose as the Indigenous' rituals. I remember that the Greeks would do a series of consciousness altering activities to become more open to unusual ideas and sensations. Is their early philosophy to be seen as a result of these alternated states' experiences? Maybe the state of mind both people (Greek and Indigenous) find themselves in when doing the rituals are similar, but the environment/ input causes the different interpretations of the world after the psychedelic sessions?
I'd love to go into the forest and meet a druid who would bring me into the world of mushrooms and plant medicine, but unfortunately it hasn't happened. So my next best option...
Thank you for your contribution.
It’s a insult to call psychedelics a drug they are sooooo much more than just a drug !
I find this so interesting!
I think there is Good Vision that promotes Good Intention, for Psychedelic Medicine and Healing Systems. Good People can be helped with this rising from ancient times. So...I wish it success. The kind of "Success" that will increase the Good Strengths of Us, but not so much the selfish strengths of those who cannot Make Sense Of Limitations Of Decency in the Human Prosperity Quest. "Psychedelics" can be a very useful tool for Human Evolution.
i loved the ending quote
About time
Large multinational drug companies with drugs that are extremely beneficial, but potentially very dangerous. What could possibly go wrong?
For profit within the systems in which play will provide the same results and “Bad Actors” are clearly problematic results of said system.
We need this but we need a new way to be...limit the mass extraction mentality to give all of humanity a chance to experience the fullness of life
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Psychedelics decriminalization: May 2019 Denver, Colorado. June 2019 Oakland, California. January 2020 Santa Cruz, California. September 2020 Ann Arbor, Michigan. Medical psilocybin(shrooms) legalization: November 2020 statewide Oregon.
thank you for this.!!!!
I got off prozac micro dosing liberty caps I found in a Field
Great point of view!!!
You don't need companies or guides or experts you just need to do your own research and go outside and pick these wonderful food of the gods.
Decriminalising them is enough and then let the people decide if they want to take them or not.
I’m not excited about the profane/mundane establishment getting involved in a sacred thing.
@mark traver I don't see how mainstreaming psychedelics is gong to stop you from using them in a sacred way. I think more than they must be used sacred is people individually and collectively should be allowed to use them in how they see fit. It's not for me to tell you how to use them. Offering more contexts for them to be used in allows people with different belief systems access.
Andrew Anyone should be allowed to do whatever they want with their own consciousness and body. That’s not the point.
All is sacred, even the profane/mundane establishment
@@pauliepaul500 not true
@@Daneiladams555 how so ?
I'll be taking part at my first dieta in the Amazon in Peru next week. Three weeks including 10 ayahuasca ceremonies. A very powerful medicine if taken in the right context. The shamans are miles ahead of our western medicine when it comes to trauma therapy, healing and improving your life in general. We have a lot to learn!
I hope you enjoy your psychedelic travels. Make sure you get your vaccine shots before you go!
I heard that some people got schizophrenia after some ayuascha trip. Try zen meditation instead to heal you. You don't take any substances, as side effects only calm. But this will require time
@@Kannot2023 Thanks a lot for your tip! I already did a three-day ayahuasca ceremony last summer in Europe which I thankfully tolerated quite well, so I am not worried too much. Based on this I decided to do the dieta which will hopefully be an even more profound experience (I have no doubt about that to be honest^^)
can u travel now there?
@@andrein3362Yes, but meanwhile it is only allowed to fly from Europe to Peru with a stopover in another south american country, PCR test etc. Not the best time to travel now of course. The organization has been getting increasingly complicated the last days and no one can tell, if the flights get cancelled (again) short-term.
We're evolving as we speak. Do you believe in god or do you believe in evolution? Is there a difference? If you don't believe in God and you believe in evolution then string that thought a little farther and believe that evolution is in your genes and look around. 200,000 years and we didn't have a car until 1908. We didn't have internet in most homes until 1990 and now we're talking about quantum supremacy. Our brains are evolving.
Not sure about this because I’m sure if you took a baby at day 1 from 200,000 years ago and brought them up today, they would not be somehow hindered by their cognitive functions, the “evolution” you are witnessing is a matter of linguistics. The term evolution is bounded about but has a definition in biology. The progress you see in tech is a by product of the amount of brains working in certain fields, for example 150 years ago the amount of scientists in the fields that existed then was few and far between, since then each field starts with break throughs by individuals or groups then grow until new fields are opened by further discoveries and so on. By the way the oldest anatomical human is around 316,000 years ago from Jabel irhout in Morocco
@@chemicalreagent120 in terms of bandwidth, the amount of bytes of information being assimilated into conciousness to form understanding, versus what was transmitted orally and through text, as little as 100 years ago; it's no comparison.
@@chemicalreagent120 I agree with you.
There is a shift happening. It's the internet. Our consciousness exists in 2 dimensions of space. We are globalizing. Jungian psychology and the levels of conciousness. There is the personal unconscious and the collective unconscious. The collective unconscious is now connected digitally. We are shifting into a completely different frequency. Look into his works on aeon. Its beyond comprehension lol. Theres a huge shift and awakening. There are no people without consciousness, and if you are conciousness then you should stop to think HOW you can stop to think. Conciousness is inexplicable to science. Either you were put here by god or your exploded stardust that can think and has evolution built in. Look up aeon.
Personal Belief: "GOD, as CREATOR, Created Evolution, as a dynamic element of CREATION.
Why Terrence Mackena was not mentioned in this video?
He probably was the most profound and insightful psychedelics thinker ever and put a lot of brain to the same very questions debated here.
i don't even need to hear what you're saying. thumbs up from just the title
Kat conour is wrong about the Rich getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, for example the poor of Britain today are way better off in real terms than the poor 200 years ago and they were better off than the serfs of medieval Britain too
Poor are better off because of technology. As for as what share of gdp modern citizens get it in present is on par if not less than serfs of the past.
@@jonathananderson9606 also rich people are richer because of technology. Think of trains, first to profit were bankers and land lords.
You should study relativity and then check out some income graphs dating back to the 50s.
Modern day serfdom might include an iphone tracking device and refrigeration, but its no less destabilizing.
The colonization of psychedelic/entheogenic practices by Big Psychology diminishes the contextual richness from where the practices of ingesting compounds come from and implicitly support a Metaphysical/political stance.
Well you can hardly expect western countries to not frame psychedelic use through their own cultural lens. Psychedelic capitalism is mostly focused around western countries and doesn't stop indigenous people from using it in their traditional ways. Indigenous ways of using might be (at scale) incompatible with the metaphysical / moral belief systems of the west. Doesn't mean we're not allowed psychedelics and doesn't mean they can't used under different cultural systems.
Awesome,
They need to consider the jungian concept of the shadow as people can be quite shocked by it.
Erik Davis said mindfulness is a Panacea but it isn't
Panacea meaning is ...
"Noun
a solution or remedy for ALL difficulties or diseases."
Plus you know when you've had a big dose of mushies its not all placebo even if some of it is.
Kat Conour made such an astute and salient point around this treatment appearing to be swept forward on a crest of the very thing that increases a need for it (not demand), the free market paradigm.
What? Counterculture becomes culture over time?!
I wonder how much of the "Counter Culture" of the 60's is found in today's cultures? Does Berkeley still have its Hindu poster and incense shops?
as far as entheogen hitting our culture too quickly is utterly ridiculous. this idea of us not being ready.....nonsense. we are dying for it so let the cards fall where they may.
Jose Lopez Sanchez has the orientation, method and purpose exactly right
I believe we need to slow down psychedelics integration into our cultures, otherwise we will create a short winded wave of messy medicine we very mixed results.
The guides need to be guided first.
We should prioritize putting trainers through guided psychedelic therapy sessions and only when ready teach them how to guide others.
At the same time we should prioritized the most traumatized people in our society for the greatest net benefit within that society. (a lot of aftercare and support needed)
Build the foundation of shaman and prioritize the people highly addicted to something that want to change
Damn Alexander the ladies really love you man!!
As someone who knows this medicine well, I agree that a “direct experience” is only as valuable as the quality of the “integration process” that accompanies it. Anyone who is serving as a facilitator, must have the understanding and knowledge to “connect the dots” of such an experience, as well as the wisdom to allow the medicine to do its work. It is a bit of a high wire act, literally anything can “come up”, from past lives to rebirth to a total ego annihilation.
My greatest dream is to incorporate psychedelics with Leisure travel & tourism...looks like my dream will come true sooner than I thought! 🍄🔄✈️
mine 2 :)
Everything becomes a tour with psychedelics . Im going to have people leisurely stroll around the small pond in my back yard while they think their in a Celtic faieyland. 🎵🎵🎶🌼🌻🍄🍄🍄🍄🎵🎶🎵🎶
LSD was used in psychotherapy in the 50's and early 60's in UK. We have wasted 60 years!
Blockchain technologies need to be employed as a way to regulate.
bitcoin moon
@@WillyJunior the moon is a bitcoin
Psychedelics should be completely legal for all uses. Forcing people who want to use them into therapy sounds like a recipe for a bad trip. It seems like the government is trying to coopt psychedelics in a way that benefits them.
The new narrative is that there are now too many narratives.
Unless people utilise drugs with respect and moderation (which we all know people don't do) then the results are of course going to be negative. Treating a sick culture and society with drugs is never the answer. At best we will forget our underlying issues thanks to the substances, at worst society continues in its decline, with us in a stupor, until it eventually collapses.
Do you have experience with psychedelics? Because psychedelics are very much an antidote to the "stupor" you speak of.
Dan Richards That’s how typical “drugs” work; not psychedelics. They make you remember, not forget. I’m going to guess that you don’t have direct experience with them. They don’t heal you. They open up doors in consciousness that allow you to heal yourself.
@Dan Richards You know not of which you speak.
I do agree though, that psychedelics do call for the greatest respect and have the potential to instil as much harm as good given any number of variables, just like anything (fire, water). I think that intention and mindfulness on every level are of the utmost importance in mainstreaming these powerful potential allies. I also cringe a little bit to hear them referred to as "drugs" as they are unlike any thing but themselves. They are clinically proven to not be addictive in any way, although anyone who has experienced them can easily vouch for this, and they enhance perceptual and cognitive awareness... they do not create any kind of "stupor."
Also, Dan, psychedelics have a way of showing a person exactly where the root of their issues lie. They reveal, they do not lend to masking and forgetting. They can indeed be ruthless in uncovering truths about ourselves that we may have a fear of or a resistance to facing, confronting and coming to terms with. But that is exactly what is needed for the kind of deep healing our society calls for now if we are to survive ourselves.
Problem here is this term “drugs” how can we have a grown up serious discussion about these substances by lumping them all in together? The differences between psychedelics or opiates, disassociatives, cannabinoids and amphetamines to name a few that hardly overlap in action, function, experiences or results.
They have known this for thousands of years.
In my opinion, calling it Psychedelic- Crony - Vampire Capitalism is describing something other than classical Capitalism. We should perhaps call it Corporate Fascism, coz it certainly is not what Adam Smith was writing about.
I love this channel and the topic is fascinating but with respect the idea that people who are primarily interested in making mega bucks are going to maintain the integrity of something that is in its essence sacred, is balderdash. They" ll use it to make mega bucks inorder to subdue the masses from their grim reality. Once money and politics get involved in anything decent, its over.
The only vacation I have had in a year 😏
Personally, I'm a bit upset. Psychodelics should be used with a shaman. They know what to do when you're in another level such as tempo of song and musical instrument used at the time
When someone says they are 'very excited' about the commercial development of a product, whether it's psilocybin or plastic cups, you know bulsh.t is around the corner.
Doctors as shamans, thanks, I' m out
I don't need clinics
Or permission to go into the psychedelic world
Gosh, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so - my initial reaction is : "Leave the ship boys, before its too late!"
I don't see how any real heads will make it through this hijacking: the machine will either recruit you or run you over.
Is anyone thinking they'll be able to sit on the fence and watch it all, an in detached "enlightened" way?
Only people I've seen supporting this are either too naïve or too invested.
It's true... There were times when I did say "wow, everyone has to try this!!, but c'mon, I was young and stupid - I take it back now! ha
LOL: maybe US will fall faster than we think, thus providing the only hope in not spreading the "virus"
I am somewhat concerned about the tendency of certain Individuals to hunger for euphoric states of mind.
Capitalism = Egoism.
getting sensitve in this world can be trouble, just like anything else there,s good side and bad,everyone,s different ,you may only have to do it once,corps. don,t make money ....
All drugs should be decriminalised! Punishing addicts isn’t the answer ! And psychedelics should of never of been made illegal! They are our birth right. They are not drugs they are the solution to many of our cultural problems and have been apart of human life for thousands of years and this little blip in time is a ridiculous time with all the greedy people who don’t want the lid to come off this !!
Mmed🚀
what? my attention you have it
I would think that this is a good opportunity to address a more workable and sensible change to the regulation of all drugs. The best proposals I’ve ever come across (and I’ve looked at many over several past decades) is from Transform Drug Policy Foundation. Do give their site a visit. transformdrugs.org/ . Think that the audience that RW is trying to reach would welcome the topic explored of what popper drug regulations would look like and how that would improve the well-being of society and the positive changes it would bring to our culture. I wouldn’t get too exited by IPO’s. There is a lot of ‘wealth’ being shuffled about right now and shares are just a temporary haven. The long term success of new pharmaceutical IPO’s is dependant on too many things going their way and the established pharma cartels will fight them tooth and claw, using all the governmental regulatory might that they have wormed their way into controlling. We need to break those ties first.
From the comments I see many who equate profits with bad intent. Why?
Because nowadays it's trendy to be a socialist and to hate any enterprise and profit-making.
probably the fanciest iteration of the MAGIC pill ploy to date
These people have no idea what they are getting into. They know nothing about spirit. They are children.
Psychoanalyst as shaman.
Healing Depression, healing Addictions, it is no-brainer that will attract big money, worse things shall happen to us
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Lets talk MDMA vs SSRIs
Now that's what i call antidepressant
So shamans will make a comeback as a serious profession and career path.
More likely to be an explosion of charlatans.
How many a-hole docs are going to give their patients a placebo for a long session @ $100+ per hour?
How about meth, and heroine!!! Hey meth is for ADHD aNd HEROINE is a pain killer... however both of this drugs actually give you depresión...
Release the ibogaine...
Hi Dev
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Psy!!!!