Last thing we need is these nerds at Harvard who want to control the world and are funded by the CCP to control the DMT, while we are kept in silence and getting 25 to life for having some
@@raymondlopresti796 You are red-pilling people! That's illegal! ; P Seriously though, all of our ruling-class elites know about these mysterious substances. They guard them jealously with secret fraternal-societies and other cultish behaviors. It's interesting to see that the internet allowed bumbling explorers like my man Terrence Mckenna to spread his message far and wide, breaking through the seclusion barriers.
@@b.g.5869 You dont really believe that do you? Its not Learys fault, the american gov is to blame for spreading fearand misinformation. They dont like that we drop a tab and say "hey mr.suitman why the hell should i listen to you." Leary only did what most of us do witch is feel compelled to tell and share with others the experience of phycedelia.
Don't forget to respect the mushrooms, Golden Teacher basically, they have some very powerful potential. I just did about 7g on 4/12/2023 and it went well actually but barely escaped a bad trip.
It is absolutely beautiful how people talk so many things about psychedelic and magic mushrooms too .. Everyone focused on how magic mushrooms can change and also save lives . I haven't try it but I deep down I really what to try it .. just looking for a reliable source ..
Odd. I woke up late this afternoon because I don't do mornings, with a deep sense that hyperbolic kale was in my destiny. I was right! So pleased I instructed one of my PA's to add it to my todo list. lmao!
This video combined with the article probably explained more of the dmt trip than all the trip reports I’ve read which is a lot. The levels, with the doses! Now I know I landed squarely in the Magic Eye. The symmetry hotel is a great explanation too. I find it interesting that I had an experience of divine consciousness on level three rather than level six; perhaps it was just a foretaste? Truly informative, this is what psychonauts need to hear
Exactly, research like this help finding proper vocabulary to remove misunderstanding. Especially when realized that it is not dmt exclusive. All psychedelics can lead to that experience. I work with ketamine and i could practically make the identical presentation about the ketamine experience. So its not unique to a molecule, but a natural phenomena - reality .
@@thephuntastics2920 My first DMT trip was a full circle moment from my first ketamine out of body experience, During the ket OBE I was led around the gardens of versailles by this cloaked white figure who was like a diamond shape and it was like glowing so I couldn’t make out exact details but I could tell it was made up of a bunch of tiny other diamonds if that makes sense ♦️ like that the shape not actual rock, but then my first dmt trip I loved the lifetime out of that diamond shaped figure
@@thephuntastics2920 yes, and maybe that natural phenomena is the universes within our pineal gland (or something :D ) although i have heard terrence say DMT was visual, LSD not so much. so it may vary with the individual?
I call them jeweled floating slices of pizza, I ended up in an interdimensional shopping mall full of these things, complete with massage chairs. I was gawking and one popped in my face with a british bobby hat and said"what are you doing here" and it made me snap back out of it into cartoon reality. Beautiful experience, first time I tried extraction and vaporizing dmt.
do i actually live in a world where intelligent people experiment with psychedelic substances ? i might be tripping. there might be hope yet for this world!
There are many, just that you wont find us tripping balls in public, but rather at home or in the lab. Side note: i have yet to meet someone with a very strong psychedelic background that wasnt extremely intelligent / wise and eloquent.
they may lose their intelligence after a psychedelic experience and lose the plot but usually regain their mind in a renewed reborn light after a few months.
As Terence McKenna always said, the psychedelics are about boundary breaking. Softening the boundary between our conscious and unconscious minds, between our imagination and reality, between our rational mind fed by sensory input and the invisible underlying structure of nature. And importantly, softening the boundary between ourselves and the rest of the universe. That is where geometry comes into play. We recognize high order organizational structures as clues to a more complex scientific understanding, so the psychedelic aims to show us that there is more to the world than there seems, by showing us that there is geometry and other complex organizational structures within every system, micro and macro throughout the universe.
"drugs will be more like computers, computers more like drugs" comes into mind here. the more i learn, the more i realize we have it mostly the "wrong way": we actually want to suffer, n when we see "death" as a specific point in Time, we really "die every day a little". or what would u do, if u could do anything u want w no effort whatsoever? it would get boring n dull after some Time in ur harem n chocolate factory, wouldnt it? as breathing "in", think breathing "out". or think "falling", w no floor in sight. the mind is matter from within - after all, the air "space" is matter too or molecules we measure - so why should it be different w the energy/frequencies of the mind? makes also sense, when thinking about how we cant touch anything really, due to electromagnetism. also because mind & body r like nested into each other, being inseparable (-> individuum). i wonder: the sound to form language itself is a language, isnt it? i still have/want to get on a journey to under/over/innerstand. wen Plato v2?
That proves there’s a supreme intelligence that created everything, the fact that there’s geometry/math in everything shows that. The Big Bang is an erroneous theory and so is evolution
@@GMS-ChaabarYakalATL when we all could come to the point to realize that, maybe the 0/cycle completes? (again?) yup, feels like for example Michio Kaku basically is repeating the same nonsense over n over again. kinda in a loop or spirale - hey, maybe he finds a way to make a spring out of it.
This is absolutely fascinating, I don't have a ton of experience on DMT but I've got plenty on LSD, it's analogues, psilocybin and it's analogues, and the frame I've processed my hundreds of trips through is that of engineering control systems enhanced through the lens of neuroscience & machine learning algorithms. I definitely recognize the dimensionality of space as psychedelic dose increases, as well as the chaos/turbulence aspects of the experiences I've had. You mention difficulty with control - this is where control systems has something to offer. Psychedelics are a lot of energy thrust on our mental systems, a lot of the visuals have to do with the propagation of signals through the circuitry of our visual cortex and the differences in processing under the influence. You can get stuck in literal circuit loops within the brain that are self reinforcing, you can have too much energy to process and break out of local structures completely, collapsing them (ego death on non-dmt psychedelics), or you can have systems and structures for processing that efficiently. I would be wildly interested in quantifying the control system terminology in the context of various psychedelic experiences in combination with the language of dimensionality and turbulence. Tools from psychology, from neurology provide a lot of methods applicable in this, and framed with in the context of the dispersion of energy (which some great theories on evolution and it's relationship to thermodynamics definitely suggest is a vital part of the issue) could be the early developments of tools for navigating this space.
4 года назад+3
Fantastic comment! It agrees a lot with my latest video (on my channel), which is more specifically about how to develop a language for psychedelic experiences with an emphasis on compounds like LSD. I think it has a lot of overlap with what you are saying 🤠
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@@tatteredbannerproductions8484 I can understand your point of view, but depending on what philosophical or theological viewpoint one has, the geometry and math if it all can explain a lot of the unknowns as it could explain our place in the universe realizing we are just codes in a massive program and the ability to realize that transforms everything if you believe it
to the kid who asked the question about hearing Beethoven through radio static around 57:00 , look up MES (Musical Ear Syndrome). It's an affliction in which a person's brain hears chaotic noise and attempts to arrange it based on a library of memorized aural features. I have it and will hear classical music through fans or modular synths from ambient electrical buzzing and sometimes hushed talking if the conditions are right. It occurs more commonly in people with tinnitus.
@@driftinaz3158 How is this cringe? It's a man explaining a hobby of his to like-minded individuals? According to DriftinAz doing and sharing your interests with the world is "Cringe".
After ingesting 7grams of psilocybin containing mushrooms, I met with my “older self” and was told that I already have all of the important answers. That I only need to integrate the knowledge and wisdom into EVERYDAY ACTIONS. The rest would sort itself out.
That's a great platitude, but did your older self list the important answers? Or did you become aware of the important answers at that point, and can you list them here?
That sounds virtually identical to Carl Jung’s “Shadow Work”: i.e. you have to integrate the worst aspects of yourself with your conscious identity to become a whole and fully healthy human being. The answers to our most fundamental questions lie within each and everyone of us; something many native American tribes seemed to intuitively understand in their ancient belief systems.
Beautiful, there is a way to explain it finally. Or AT LEAST it’s a start at developing a language to describe the experience. There is something going on behind the experience, and using math/geometry to describe it is pure beauty.
I had to screenshot the visuals… again, this explanation is SO BEAUTIFUL!
3 года назад
Thank you! I'm glad you see the beauty in it 😊 I have a lot more content in my channel, if you are curious. We've gone much further in our models since this presentation 😎
@@playgroundofsound7683 DMT is not that scary, and pretty easy to extract from mimosa hostillis bark. The evaporation of ego and disolving into the universe is a 5 meo dmt thing. Both are useful, but if it scares you, the Ayahuasca preparation of dmt with a natural maoi comes on more gradual and lasts much longer. Prepare for a pretty good vomit session though. I think the scariest part of smoking dmt for the first time is the profound astonishment, its hard to get your bearings and then its over. I think I prefer mushrooms over all the others though, good luck!
Recognizing the hyperbolic geometry (at times what i felt was also an almost infinite dimensional space) is one of the many surprises i remember from various trips, and i also feel fully justified in becoming a mathematician lol
As being somewhat experienced when it comes to DMT, I can say there is definitely something to be said about an objective outlook on the experience. There must be an overall mathematical composition to the experience itself
The fact that this gets such an in dept study makes me so happy, because my experiences with these molecules have done SO much for me. Always act and do with care !
Wow! I love this! I'm currently researching DMT. Some of this stuff is soo beautiful. Espically when my brain "shuts off" and all I am is awareness watching this beautiful thing transform and spin. Thanks again for this!
My recollection of amnesia level: no notion of ever being human or even alive. Pure instantaneous experience with no awareness whatsoever. An infinite moment. Singularity. Annihilation of mind. A kind of death. No insight. Total nakedness. I became panicky towards the peak but it subsided quickly. Does time itself become hyperbolic at the amnesia level, perhaps? Great lecture.
@@teodorbirsan5036 Great question, Teodor. It was 5meo dmt from the toad venom. I was in safe company with a shamen and friends, but I must admit I was nervous, even though I have experience of tripping with other substances such as LSD, Psilocybin and Ayahuasca. I inhaled for as long as I could, possibly a minute? I don't remember exhaling, so the dose remains a mystery. I don't recall anything of the experience until the end. I guess I panicked because I was slowly becoming aware of my situation and vulnerability and I was suddenly awake, but incredibly intoxicated. I woke with tears on my face. I don't remember why. The group were with me and the shamen was looking kindly into my eyes - I saw his ancestors smiling through his expression. My notion in that instant was that they were his family. I think the group had been singing and soothing me while I was unconsious. On a scale of one to ten I would say a nine or ten for a few moments but very quickly passing to zero again. After the event, I was struggling to walk for 20 minutes and my mind was completely silent for a few hours. I wanted that state of bliss to continue of course but normal thoughts returned before long. Would I do it again? In the right situation, I would. But some time after the trip I confidently said "I never need to do this again. That was IT. Ten times more intense than the strongest acid trip I have ever done". I hope that answers any questions you might have. I wish you safety and peace of mind. Benjamin
@@bjh3661 thank you for the explanation Benjamin! Are you not eager to try a smaller dose (to achieve the higher breakthrough)so that you can recall something from your trip?In your opinion what is more profound/special/interesting to feel :the singularity or the incomprehensible geometry of the higher dimensions?
Wow!!! I have so much to say idk where to start. 1 st THANK YOU! I never heard of hyperbolic geometry, Ive been trying to explain the moving shapes. I finally can! I have been trying to make sense of what happened for over a year now, since the 1st time time I ignorantly tried it and had no idea what I was getting my self into and I hit it as hard as I could twice. I then passed out, I thought, but my friend said I sat up straight and didnt move a muscle the whole time. So,,, Instantly after holding the 2nd hit in I heard this noise like a computer malfunctioning and it felt like I was falling outta my body at light speed in total darkness. The 1st thought that came to my mind was shiiit!!!! I just killed myself and this is what happens when u die. I was terrified!!! but happy at the same to know theres something else. Then the shapes "some exactly like the ones u show" started appearing while I was still falling": they were in 4D and moving so fast and changing into different shapes so fast I couldnt make them all out. Not all were circular, some looked exactly like 4D moving mandalas. Then the shapes disappeared and I was going through a tunnel where the walls had all different kinda moving parts. It finally lead to some kinda mass chaos then I all the sudden opened my eyes and realized I was alive and felt much better until,,,, I looked at my friend and he looked like a block figure made by a cheap computer I instantly closed my eyes out of total fear , then there was a feeling as if I been here before, then these weird shapes with an intelligence where there and it felt like they were telling me I shouldnt be here. Im gonna end it at that. but there is alot more. You said to email you if this scared anyone and I fit this bill, It gets scarier every time I tried it since and I see the same shapes every time " which doenst make any sense to me cause Ive done alot of acid and shrooms and its NEVER the same. I couldnt find your email but I would love to be a part of this cause I was a die hard atheist and this has assured me there is something else. It changed my life. Please send me a reply or message me on my you tube and I will give you my number. If not thank you for the work you are doing!!!
That sounds u heard is like taking a plastic bag and crumbling it in your hands right before u take off and physical reality breaks apart into the spirit realm . its fucking beautiful and of course that knowing feeling of being there before and knowing the answers to everything.
@@vrfitnessandgaming3234 Yes. that is a good way to explain the sound. IDK about the answers to everything though. This has just left me with a ton more questions then anything else.
It's wonderful that so many people are able to talk openly about this in a culture of acceptance in a university associated with high social status and professional merit.
Coming from a machine learning type perspective it almost sounds like all visual filters are firing regardless of visual input. Like if we are looking at a square in a sober state our "circle" or "triangle" filters may not fire their signals further down the visual system, but on DMT it sounds like they fire regardless of not getting the appropriate input. The result would be seeing all possible shapes simultaneously and then the deeper visual system does it's best to put them together which might explain the constant moving, shifting, rearranging of the shapes as the brain starts to try to understand these newfound hyper-shapes and what they could possibly represent. I've never actually had the DMT experience but this lecture has definitely been the most compelling argument I've heard to try this in a controlled setting of some kind.
Awesome presentation 👌 I have smoked dmt many times to the “threshold” point, and it’s a very pleasant and relaxing experience. I could see it being useful to alleviate severe anxiety and depression in microdoses. At the higher levels however I feel a little more mental constitution is preferable before attempting to reach these other stages. Anyone who’s taken higher doses knows how quickly you can go from zero to a billion 😅 it was really great to have someone put into words the unique mathematical/geometric feature of a dmt experience. I can fully attest to the “symmetry hotel”. I’ve also experienced a strange “binary flickering” for lack of a better description… it’s almost as if the patterns in the symmetry hotel also have some sort of binary pattern or electric nature to them. like a buzzing on/off audio-visual experience. I’ve always wondered if this was something other people noticed as well, though it is quite difficult to put into words. At chrysanthemum stage it’s as if reality melts or peels away. Some people describe it as “blasting off” to another reality, but to me it seems more as though visual “reality” dematerializes to reveal some deeper reality underneath. Your description of this amnesia level is interesting… but I have to wonder if it’s truly a lack of memory or rather a lack of words to describe the “memory”, and perhaps to what level the memory is preserved or stored. But I guess that’s a whole other issue on a neurological level (maybe… unless memory is holographic or not stored in the brain). Perhaps without a point of reference or some new vocabulary we just may not be able to verbally express the experience at that high level. I’m just rambling at this point. Thanks again for your detailed and scholarly study of dmt experiences 🧡
There's a guy who got hit in the head with a bat and ended up seeing patterns like these when he woke up in a coma, he then became a mathematician to illustrate or explain the visions. it's like these altered perceptions already exist in us. How is it possible, to have such precise and accurate details flow in our perceptions without any of our conscious control, or let alone seeing such patterns ever before? It's like our brain is a lot more mysterious and a lot more capable than we think it is.
I'm glad that psychedelics are being discusses in a more ,,objective'' way, with mathematical precision, and not how it was approached in the 1960s. I don't remember who said this, but it went something like this: ,,It's a great tragedy, that the discovery of LSD's properties was clouded by the irresponsible hedonists, who reduced it's many properties to that of heroin''. All these substances were for a long time associated with self-indulgent collage-students who say that ,,everything is connected, maaaan'. Yet, the research into these mystical substances has been renewed (despite the attempts of the Reagan and Nixon administration), and I'm excited to see where the future leads.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reputation earned was contributed to, in part, by those Reagan, Nixon types to discourage their intellectual exploration.
I find it crazy that the human mind is capable- and I stress capable (it not in the substance)- to have an intuitive sense of hyperbolic space. Maybe it's some kind of locked apptitude we have but rarely use because we live in euclidean perceived space.
That's what I think is the main takeaway from psychedelics. The structuring and restructuring of the interface and reality itself kind of opens up a real bizarre can of worms. One example I found interesting is that these guys mentioned the effects of sound--I think sound is coalescing in these geometries as well, which is why we experience delay-like and reverberation qualities. You could have a lot of fun with Ableton or something experimenting. Animal Collective has been utilizing this sound space a long time now and they do it amazingly
To be fair, all hyperbolic structures can be projected into euclidean structures. Just get a sense for how the transformation affects movements and it's not too difficult to translate between them. The human mind is absolutely terrible at imagining higher dimensions intuitively.
I got over 15 years of 'study' on the topic here, love the connectiveness and heart it brings back to many many people. Set and setting and good people. I would LOVE to start just randomly submitting papers (old and new) that I have wrote up, experiments taken where one person draws a shape and the other does not know what, and draws it...I am convinced that telepathy has always been within us - just lost over time. Finding our roots again. I am very educated, high and stoned are words that give many of these tools a horrid name...it is medicine and better than most if not near all Rx's :'( sad but we can and will change that. Getting there faster now than ever before!!!
what kind of visuals did u see aside from shapes what emotions did u have? did u see through the eyes of other people like a reinacrnation type of thing. pls can u share ur experiences
I'm mind blown how accurate hyperbolic geometry is to the experience. From my experience the "waiting room" had the best feelings emotionally and physically, out of them all.
@@delta-9969 A lot of so called common wisdom regarding DMT is not really wisdom but some few blasting their opinion online. People are way too obsessed with breakthroughs, but sometimes ghet the amnesia and dismiss other states which are just as valuable. Take this wisdom from an experienced psychonaut
OMG Thank you, for letting me know about Magic Eyes again. I had a book in my childhood but I could never find the actually thing again and im soo amazed I finally found it again!
This video started out interesting and quickly los my attention. Maybe better for someone who hasn’t had such experience and wants to know what to expect before hand. In my opinion, the reason to take psychedelics is to step into the unknown and experience it for yourself without any pretense of what to expect. In my experience once I’ve taken the first step into the unknown. My trip begins and it’s not until I let go of control or fear and except the experience does it become blissful/ spiritual journey. I call this... “ Falling Awake “ This accounts for international and external induced experiences. The external induced experience you may become stuck into a nightmare until the drug wears off. Internally induced you lose the experience all together because you fall back into a low frequency that relates to the flight or fight.
@@johncitizen5130 Obviously this comment meant changing in terms of accepting these experiences as worth serious consideration. It would be best if you keep dumb.
I love the idea of a DMT "trajectory", the idea that the common metaphor of "flying" is a literal description of conscious experience. Eg flying past lower levels/too far/not far enough/and hitting a wall. I'm also very happy to hear the explanation of the "depth map", complete with representing semantic content.
I can't ever remember seeing that many patterns on DMT. The experience feels more like a zoom meeting with a spirit or entity more than anything. I've seen things like a mother holding her child, a box full of marijuana (like I saw into the future of my own life), I've seen an Aztec pyramid just rise out of the carpet... but never too many fractal patterns. The most DMT I ever did showed me a Chitinous throne room, with a machine at the center that looked like a rubix cube, constantly changing shape and color. Most of the time I end up growing plants or doing some kind of research as a result of the trip. Bipinnate leaves are the ones you want to look for, at least to start out.
I’m so glad you discuss finding the trajectory of an experience and how that correlates to dosage and other variables. I said in a previous comment that I think dmt could be very medically useful, especially at micro-doses (or a gradual increase in dosage over time) and this data is actually super important for anyone wanting to seriously experiment with dmt, even in a clinical setting. And talking about mapping consciousness or properties thereof. I believe we could learn quite a bit from researching more into the geography of hallucinogenic experiences.
This right here, thank you. to have a language to explain what was seen to be able to share the experience. this was as good as the hit dude. i will reach out to share what i have seen if it helps. just amazing really
Jesus, this is terrifying. I feel like I've been to these places without drugs, during extreme fever and waking hallucinations when I was a kid. Not sure I want to go back there.
Just know it is your brain glitching out, getting overclocked in a way. There are limits that are very hard to anneal, as remarked around 44:45. No need to go back with the help of a chemical if you're cool with that.
it may be more of a horror trip when you have bad emotions linked with it. only do it if you feel safe and have people around you that you trust. then you maybe can imagine these good emotions or thoughts get amplified just as your bad fever dreams. feeling in control is also a big thing. if you think you cannot handle it dont do it.
Excellent work. We now need a more efficient way of dosing. Smoking or vaporising anything isn't very accurate. IV isn't widely accessible. We need another solution.
can you guys do an experiment where a subject is breaking through in a forest (or similar environment) where buzzing insects, such as cicadas, are prevalent? there was a video here on youtube about a decade ago depicting a lone man in a forest at dusk with tons of buzzing insects everywhere and after he vaped dmt and started breaking through, the insects began synchronizing their buzzing into sounds you'd hear during many psychedelic experiences. it was truly astonishing and the video/channel has since been deleted (for depicting drug usage)
Absolutely love this presentation... For the last 13 years I've been getting personally familiar with DiMiTri. Since my first experience I've learned 2 methods of extraction from Mimosa inner root bark... Even after 500+ doses I am still apprehensive about it... Definitely something to respect!
There is a sense this approach is taken from early modern philosophy of Leibniz monad theory by way of combinational theory of conscious states as well as open conscious states that correlate to innate mind stuff. The sense of hyper rational fields that map reality begs the question as in how could the producer of the field empirically show the information is verifiable given its innate ideas are subject dependent.
lol these aren't totally new terms bud, they are taking multiple words and combining them to make a new term. but there is nothing here that took the ineffable and made it efable, that part of the experiences still remain. a good way to look at it is a word like equilateral when describing a triangle. equal was a word and lateral was a word. then they put the two together to describe a concept.
what i find especially interesting is that I've experienced each level of hyperbolic geometry and apart of the emotional response to this has been an ability to tap into residual levels of geometry when I'm sober. I have learned to meditate through some intense psychedelic trips. I can now meditate to the point (without any mind altering substances) to where I have a surface level visuals which immediately intensify when i close my eyes. Its given me a new lust for life and i've been able to overcome a serious bout of depression that has been with me since early teen years. It's not that my newfound happiness is sourced from the meditation or psychedelics, its that they opened up my mind. I have a full understanding of how my self and my ego interact. I know how to treat people better because I've changed the way my ego (what I consider my inner voice) speaks to me and how it reacts to the outside world. and its just a great feeling now that I finally have a sense of purpose in my life. Humans should feel humbled by the beautiful Synchronicity of life and nature. Everything happens for a reason and you won't enjoy anything unless you find a way to give life a meaning. Being alive is enough of a high.
I can't personally testify to what you're saying, but your experience sounds remarkably similar to my brother with his shroom experience. He tells me that in deep states of meditation, or when he is falling asleep, he will be able to see low level fractal patterns. He essentially told me that he never really lost the ability to see those visuals even after his psychedelic experiences.
Total genius level stuff here. Better than most TED talks I've seen. I hope you win many awards. That said, is there any evidence from your POV that DMT users actually contact a different dimension / reality (as TMcK believed), or does it just feel that way ?
2 года назад+1
Thank you!! No hard evidence afaik, but I'm open to it. Some experiences seems to suggest it, but so far it's still consistent with hyperdimensional hallucinations.
Anyone else find it interesting that the levels coincide with the dimensions you see. Threshold; black and white 1st dimension, Chrysanthemum; flat shapes of color 2nd dimension, Magic eye; 3d shapes 3rd demension, Waiting room; the bending of time and space the 4th dimension, breakthrough; the 5th dimension unconceivable to us but has infinite geometry.
I'm more than sure if they handed out individual sample packs of DMT to each of us watching this video we would understand the content a lot quicker and easier than all other methods of teaching us . It's Just a thought that entered my Brain .
That reminds me that having a screen display the synapses in your brain firing in real time whilst also learning significantly enhances the speed at which you do learn.
I miss measured one time did 100 mg my entire life flashed before my eyes sound sputtered down rapidly. Everything went numb, and I felt ego disillusion to the highest degree I’ve ever felt to where I thought I was actually dying. It was quite beautiful and gave me such a sense of peace for a moment I panicked, but the experience was so fast I was able to let go and just as I said, thank you and goodbye I came back open my eyes and was more grateful for others around me, and no longer fear mortality. In that moment, I felt God’s presence and it was beyond a breakthrough. It was a peak into the afterlife something I can’t put in the words, but it was profound I’ve broke through many times I’ve only seen one entity. It was like a angel described from Ezekiel in front of a castle in India. I can’t put this in the words, but any in every experience I’ve ever had was never negative.
10 месяцев назад
Beautiful!! Thank you for sharing ☺️ (I'm the presenter)
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why would you tell us to turn on closed caption when you haven't transcribed tthe captions manually and the automatically generated captions are so, so very terrible?? come on you can do better
Well you have missed a turn in your graph 37:40 A 3D representation of this would look like a cone and not like a flat piece of paper. Where the person sitting top left surrounded by gold needs to be at the top right and the top right needs to be where the person surrounded by gold is sitting. You have missed a turn please try again. 44:37 Well no, there are no loops. If you loop then you have missed a turn. When you get all the way to the top at 11 approaches 12 there is another turn but that turn is death.
Blown away by the talk and I haven't ever taken DMT. Disappointed by the questions tbh, seemed to focus on aesthetics and semantics rather than the general effort to build a comprehensive framework. You all are doing wonderful work!
Yeah I skipped over this in my recommended so many times, this time the word Harvard caught my attention which made me go "hmmm..." I clicked expecting someone to have rented Harvard halls for some bullshit but only like 3 minutes into the video and I am already glad I finally clicked it
I have tried to explain an experience I had on DPT so many times, but I think it is something very similar to how you describe the waiting room. It's not that there were fractals projected onto the space around me, but rather that the process generated a fractal out of the space itself, into which I was subsumed. But this patterning built onto a higher level pattern that involved time. After passing through the space fractal, I found myself in a much more regular distorted space, in which a brief narrative occured, and then the time looping started. It felt like I would be trapped in the time looping cycle for eternity, but then the process actually generated a pattern out of the looped segment of time, and I have no memory of what happened after that
Have you every tried DMT? DPT is very similar in effects with a longer half-life but seemingly more mechanical visuals in terms of artistic expression. Does it smell similar to mothballs as well?
Our brains are accustomed to try and organize visual data in a particular way based on standard experience so when you see, hear and feel the actual quantum field behind it all it is difficult not to attribute objects from memory. The brain has evolved in a way to block this field to give a corporeal experience completely comprised of conscious energy, hence the 'illusion' those who are experienced describe as standard perception. I imagine lower life forms without eyeballs experience life in this DMT like perception.
Thanks for being the trailblazers and making this experience scientific and study-able. How sure are you about the different geometries/states and most people having a similar experience? How did you study these states without leading the witness, so to speak? Or was there anyway to know if y'all were re-experiencing what Terrence McKenna and earlier psychonauts said in their talks? Aren't we a bit impressionable in that sense? I wasn't sure how to ask this question any other way and hope you see this as a sincere ask.., I'm very thankful for your ballsy explorations and hypothesis/theories in this space.
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Hi Karthik! Thank you for the kind words. I'm the speaker. You can find a lot more content of mine in my channel, as well as in the Qualia Research Institute website. To address your question: we definitely consider how suggestion and preconceptions affect the experience. It does seem to be the case that the semantic content is heavily influenced by it (e.g. whether your interpretation is spiritual, just fun, or something alien, for instance). But the phenomenal character does seem to fall into several categories that are dose dependent and universal. These broad categories, as discussed in the talk, are things like the Symmetry Hotel or Magic Eye level. Preconceptions will determine what you do with these geometric structures. But depending on dose/level of energy, you will deal with such geometric categories whether you realize it or not. Also, 99% of people think all they can say about a trip is what it was about. We are not very interested in that; far more meaningful, we think, is to reverse engineer the mechanisms of consciousness by paying attention to the actual dynamics that gave rise to such geometries. There is a huge amount of content I've put out on all of this, so feel free to read up on it and comment back. Infinite bliss!
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Very captivating and well formulated. We need to have jamie pull this up.
😂😂 not many get this joke
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Jamie, google hyperbolic geometry of DMT experiences (takes a swig of bourbon and drags on his Cuban cigar).
@@patricklaureys1249 How often do YOU think about Dimethyltr..
@@AbgezocktXD Every morning when I try to remember my dreams. :)
I'm so happy to see that seriously intelligent people are studying and analyzing other realms and psychedelic experiences :)
There isnt another 'realm' its investigation of the experience.
Last thing we need is these nerds at Harvard who want to control the world and are funded by the CCP to control the DMT, while we are kept in silence and getting 25 to life for having some
The elites are none too pleased! lol
@@raymondlopresti796 You are red-pilling people! That's illegal! ; P
Seriously though, all of our ruling-class elites know about these mysterious substances. They guard them jealously with secret fraternal-societies and other cultish behaviors. It's interesting to see that the internet allowed bumbling explorers like my man Terrence Mckenna to spread his message far and wide, breaking through the seclusion barriers.
@@jmike2039 explain how everyone experience the same things and same entities. Don't just make a statement whne we dont know
I love how Tim Leary got kicked out of Harvard because of psychedelics and now there's a club about them lol.
Well thats not the whole story now is it ;)
Some lady bombed the White House, bill Clinton pardoned her and she’s now the head of b l m... lol indeed
@@SpaceCadetLaC Very true
There was a club about them then too. They were legal and probably would have stayed legal if Leary didn't scare the public. He was a jackass.
@@b.g.5869 You dont really believe that do you? Its not Learys fault, the american gov is to blame for spreading fearand misinformation. They dont like that we drop a tab and say "hey mr.suitman why the hell should i listen to you." Leary only did what most of us do witch is feel compelled to tell and share with others the experience of phycedelia.
Don't forget to respect the mushrooms, Golden Teacher basically, they have some very powerful potential. I just did about 7g on 4/12/2023 and it went well actually but barely escaped a bad trip.
It is absolutely beautiful how people talk so many things about psychedelic and magic mushrooms too .. Everyone focused on how magic mushrooms can change and also save lives . I haven't try it but I deep down I really what to try it .. just looking for a reliable source ..
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@@bizffatar5824DMT was the best trip I had though my first time was crazy but the second experience was amazing .
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When I woke up this morning I can say with 100% certainty that watching a video where a guy talks about hyperbolic kale was not on my todo list
yet you tube knows
Odd. I woke up late this afternoon because I don't do mornings, with a deep sense that hyperbolic kale was in my destiny. I was right! So pleased I instructed one of my PA's to add it to my todo list. lmao!
@@bullzdawguk you might've predicted LSD like Magellan. obviously joking
@@SWIM5QUAD Tell me about it. Do you know, I've predicted my own death? I don't know when it will happen. But, I do know it will happen. lmao!
I read your comment then jumped to a random point of the video and he starts talking about kale. Lol
This video combined with the article probably explained more of the dmt trip than all the trip reports I’ve read which is a lot. The levels, with the doses! Now I know I landed squarely in the Magic Eye. The symmetry hotel is a great explanation too. I find it interesting that I had an experience of divine consciousness on level three rather than level six; perhaps it was just a foretaste? Truly informative, this is what psychonauts need to hear
Exactly, research like this help finding proper vocabulary to remove misunderstanding.
Especially when realized that it is not dmt exclusive. All psychedelics can lead to that experience. I work with ketamine and i could practically make the identical presentation about the ketamine experience. So its not unique to a molecule, but a natural phenomena - reality .
Some misinterpret some grandeur but if it helps you it helps you
@@thephuntastics2920 My first DMT trip was a full circle moment from my first ketamine out of body experience, During the ket OBE I was led around the gardens of versailles by this cloaked white figure who was like a diamond shape and it was like glowing so I couldn’t make out exact details but I could tell it was made up of a bunch of tiny other diamonds if that makes sense ♦️ like that the shape not actual rock, but then my first dmt trip I loved the lifetime out of that diamond shaped figure
@@thephuntastics2920 yes, and maybe that natural phenomena is the universes within our pineal gland (or something :D ) although i have heard terrence say DMT was visual, LSD not so much. so it may vary with the individual?
I call them jeweled floating slices of pizza, I ended up in an interdimensional shopping mall full of these things, complete with massage chairs.
I was gawking and one popped in my face with a british bobby hat and said"what are you doing here" and it made me snap back out of it into cartoon reality.
Beautiful experience, first time I tried extraction and vaporizing dmt.
6:05 picture of lettuce "you've never seen anything like this before"
This man knows I haven't been eating salad.
LMAO
At 6:24 he does it again with CAULIFLOWER
Is this man just fucking with us this entire presentation?
Lmao yeah bro that definitely lettuce🤦🏽♂️
Im high as fuck and dying at this comment
Hahahahaha
The sound quality is a DMT Experience of its own.
😆
My kingdom for a lapel mic D:
Impressive that you've mapped out the visual experience at different stages. We need more of this kind of work!
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do i actually live in a world where intelligent people experiment with psychedelic substances ? i might be tripping. there might be hope yet for this world!
There are many, just that you wont find us tripping balls in public, but rather at home or in the lab.
Side note: i have yet to meet someone with a very strong psychedelic background that wasnt extremely intelligent / wise and eloquent.
the dummies are strung out on meth and booze... or Jesus and such for that matter
thePhuntastics lol try going back to highschool
they may lose their intelligence after a psychedelic experience and lose the plot but usually regain their mind in a renewed reborn light after a few months.
A person who took dmt would never insult someone for belief.
As Terence McKenna always said, the psychedelics are about boundary breaking. Softening the boundary between our conscious and unconscious minds, between our imagination and reality, between our rational mind fed by sensory input and the invisible underlying structure of nature. And importantly, softening the boundary between ourselves and the rest of the universe. That is where geometry comes into play. We recognize high order organizational structures as clues to a more complex scientific understanding, so the psychedelic aims to show us that there is more to the world than there seems, by showing us that there is geometry and other complex organizational structures within every system, micro and macro throughout the universe.
@MaxMittler What a great post and great words about Terence relacionado to this video.
Please this goes deeper in exposing the dangers of doing DMT
*Not for the faith hearted.
m.ruclips.net/video/e86yOpih3eI/видео.html
"drugs will be more like computers, computers more like drugs" comes into mind here. the more i learn, the more i realize we have it mostly the "wrong way": we actually want to suffer, n when we see "death" as a specific point in Time, we really "die every day a little". or what would u do, if u could do anything u want w no effort whatsoever? it would get boring n dull after some Time in ur harem n chocolate factory, wouldnt it? as breathing "in", think breathing "out". or think "falling", w no floor in sight. the mind is matter from within - after all, the air "space" is matter too or molecules we measure - so why should it be different w the energy/frequencies of the mind? makes also sense, when thinking about how we cant touch anything really, due to electromagnetism. also because mind & body r like nested into each other, being inseparable (-> individuum). i wonder: the sound to form language itself is a language, isnt it? i still have/want to get on a journey to under/over/innerstand. wen Plato v2?
That proves there’s a supreme intelligence that created everything, the fact that there’s geometry/math in everything shows that. The Big Bang is an erroneous theory and so is evolution
@@GMS-ChaabarYakalATL when we all could come to the point to realize that, maybe the 0/cycle completes? (again?) yup, feels like for example Michio Kaku basically is repeating the same nonsense over n over again. kinda in a loop or spirale - hey, maybe he finds a way to make a spring out of it.
lol i like the zoom in for privacy when asking whose tried the psychedelics
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This is absolutely fascinating, I don't have a ton of experience on DMT but I've got plenty on LSD, it's analogues, psilocybin and it's analogues, and the frame I've processed my hundreds of trips through is that of engineering control systems enhanced through the lens of neuroscience & machine learning algorithms. I definitely recognize the dimensionality of space as psychedelic dose increases, as well as the chaos/turbulence aspects of the experiences I've had.
You mention difficulty with control - this is where control systems has something to offer. Psychedelics are a lot of energy thrust on our mental systems, a lot of the visuals have to do with the propagation of signals through the circuitry of our visual cortex and the differences in processing under the influence. You can get stuck in literal circuit loops within the brain that are self reinforcing, you can have too much energy to process and break out of local structures completely, collapsing them (ego death on non-dmt psychedelics), or you can have systems and structures for processing that efficiently.
I would be wildly interested in quantifying the control system terminology in the context of various psychedelic experiences in combination with the language of dimensionality and turbulence. Tools from psychology, from neurology provide a lot of methods applicable in this, and framed with in the context of the dispersion of energy (which some great theories on evolution and it's relationship to thermodynamics definitely suggest is a vital part of the issue) could be the early developments of tools for navigating this space.
Fantastic comment!
It agrees a lot with my latest video (on my channel), which is more specifically about how to develop a language for psychedelic experiences with an emphasis on compounds like LSD. I think it has a lot of overlap with what you are saying 🤠
@ Watching it now, excellent!
Your frame seems incredibly boring and basic. It is kind of sad.
Im 12 and have been very fascinated with quantum physics and neuroscience; psychedelics, meditation,philosophy, and the spiritual world fit right in!
Appreciate your comments
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So this is what happens when harvard geniuses smoke DMT. I'm intrigued.
Lol whattup Chris
psychotronik13 so thats why my DMT experiences were disappointing
@psychotronik13 Yoda?
@@tatteredbannerproductions8484 I can understand your point of view, but depending on what philosophical or theological viewpoint one has, the geometry and math if it all can explain a lot of the unknowns as it could explain our place in the universe realizing we are just codes in a massive program and the ability to realize that transforms everything if you believe it
They are not geniuses
to the kid who asked the question about hearing Beethoven through radio static around 57:00 , look up MES (Musical Ear Syndrome). It's an affliction in which a person's brain hears chaotic noise and attempts to arrange it based on a library of memorized aural features. I have it and will hear classical music through fans or modular synths from ambient electrical buzzing and sometimes hushed talking if the conditions are right. It occurs more commonly in people with tinnitus.
data scientist engineer teaching a lecture on DMT... goals
cringe
@@driftinaz3158 How is this cringe? It's a man explaining a hobby of his to like-minded individuals? According to DriftinAz doing and sharing your interests with the world is "Cringe".
@@megapure4667 theyre scared to be one with the aliens
@@megapure4667 the cringiest thing is to see someone super cringe saying 'cringe'
After ingesting 7grams of psilocybin containing mushrooms, I met with my “older self” and was told that I already have all of the important answers. That I only need to integrate the knowledge and wisdom into EVERYDAY ACTIONS. The rest would sort itself out.
Had similar experiences with ayahuasca like i have my own answer, just need to apply it in reality
That's a great platitude, but did your older self list the important answers? Or did you become aware of the important answers at that point, and can you list them here?
@@Elric54 thats not how it works u just have to try
i gained knowledge every time i did mushrooms its so interesting
That sounds virtually identical to Carl Jung’s “Shadow Work”: i.e. you have to integrate the worst aspects of yourself with your conscious identity to become a whole and fully healthy human being. The answers to our most fundamental questions lie within each and everyone of us; something many native American tribes seemed to intuitively understand in their ancient belief systems.
Beautiful, there is a way to explain it finally. Or AT LEAST it’s a start at developing a language to describe the experience. There is something going on behind the experience, and using math/geometry to describe it is pure beauty.
I had to screenshot the visuals… again, this explanation is SO BEAUTIFUL!
Thank you! I'm glad you see the beauty in it 😊 I have a lot more content in my channel, if you are curious. We've gone much further in our models since this presentation 😎
my first lsd experience got me reeeaally interested in math, how it appears so perfectly in nature, hexagons, fractals, golden ratio...
How does Saturn have a giant hexagon on the North Pole of the gas giant?
You find what you look for.
Beautiful! While on psilocybin mushrooms I saw a vibrant icey blue flower of life radiating from snow on the ground.
@@rubyduma6238 saturn is nothing more than an eye itself, hence eye worship worldwide
Same man! I was studying Business and Culture and I'm looking to move into mathematics because of acid hahaha
I never liked geometry so much untill I was blessed by shrooms and DMT.
U tried them both simultaneously?
@@playgroundofsound7683 I doubt that's their implication , but would make the comment even more interesting
@@TheSeakr im experienced with lsd. But dmt worries me
@@playgroundofsound7683 its definitely way different as I'm sure you know. I liked LSD but DMT was a bit much.
@@playgroundofsound7683 DMT is not that scary, and pretty easy to extract from mimosa hostillis bark. The evaporation of ego and disolving into the universe is a 5 meo dmt thing. Both are useful, but if it scares you, the Ayahuasca preparation of dmt with a natural maoi comes on more gradual and lasts much longer. Prepare for a pretty good vomit session though. I think the scariest part of smoking dmt for the first time is the profound astonishment, its hard to get your bearings and then its over. I think I prefer mushrooms over all the others though, good luck!
Recognizing the hyperbolic geometry (at times what i felt was also an almost infinite dimensional space) is one of the many surprises i remember from various trips, and i also feel fully justified in becoming a mathematician lol
This was awesome. I don't know RUclips's algorithm found this for me, but Andres was an awesome speaker and presenter.
As being somewhat experienced when it comes to DMT, I can say there is definitely something to be said about an objective outlook on the experience. There must be an overall mathematical composition to the experience itself
The fact that this gets such an in dept study makes me so happy, because my experiences with these molecules have done SO much for me.
Always act and do with care !
I've been waiting about 10 years for this lecture. Thank you, super interesting!
Wow! I love this! I'm currently researching DMT. Some of this stuff is soo beautiful. Espically when my brain "shuts off" and all I am is awareness watching this beautiful thing transform and spin. Thanks again for this!
Fantastic lecture, so important to give scientists access to this stuff, hopefully times are changing
That was a pleasure to watch, some real investigations into the field, well done!
My recollection of amnesia level: no notion of ever being human or even alive. Pure instantaneous experience with no awareness whatsoever. An infinite moment. Singularity. Annihilation of mind. A kind of death. No insight. Total nakedness. I became panicky towards the peak but it subsided quickly.
Does time itself become hyperbolic at the amnesia level, perhaps?
Great lecture.
did you have nndmt or 5meo dmt?and what dose did you take
also,on a scale 1-10 , 10 being terror in purest form and 5 going on an important exam knowing you learned nothing ,how afraid were you?
@@teodorbirsan5036 Great question, Teodor. It was 5meo dmt from the toad venom. I was in safe company with a shamen and friends, but I must admit I was nervous, even though I have experience of tripping with other substances such as LSD, Psilocybin and Ayahuasca. I inhaled for as long as I could, possibly a minute? I don't remember exhaling, so the dose remains a mystery. I don't recall anything of the experience until the end. I guess I panicked because I was slowly becoming aware of my situation and vulnerability and I was suddenly awake, but incredibly intoxicated. I woke with tears on my face. I don't remember why. The group were with me and the shamen was looking kindly into my eyes - I saw his ancestors smiling through his expression. My notion in that instant was that they were his family. I think the group had been singing and soothing me while I was unconsious.
On a scale of one to ten I would say a nine or ten for a few moments but very quickly passing to zero again.
After the event, I was struggling to walk for 20 minutes and my mind was completely silent for a few hours. I wanted that state of bliss to continue of course but normal thoughts returned before long. Would I do it again? In the right situation, I would. But some time after the trip I confidently said "I never need to do this again. That was IT. Ten times more intense than the strongest acid trip I have ever done".
I hope that answers any questions you might have. I wish you safety and peace of mind.
Benjamin
@@bjh3661 thank you for the explanation Benjamin! Are you not eager to try a smaller dose (to achieve the higher breakthrough)so that you can recall something from your trip?In your opinion what is more profound/special/interesting to feel :the singularity or the incomprehensible geometry of the higher dimensions?
U experience the silence
Wow!!! I have so much to say idk where to start. 1 st THANK YOU! I never heard of hyperbolic geometry, Ive been trying to explain the moving shapes. I finally can! I have been trying to make sense of what happened for over a year now, since the 1st time time I ignorantly tried it and had no idea what I was getting my self into and I hit it as hard as I could twice. I then passed out, I thought, but my friend said I sat up straight and didnt move a muscle the whole time. So,,, Instantly after holding the 2nd hit in I heard this noise like a computer malfunctioning and it felt like I was falling outta my body at light speed in total darkness. The 1st thought that came to my mind was shiiit!!!! I just killed myself and this is what happens when u die. I was terrified!!! but happy at the same to know theres something else. Then the shapes "some exactly like the ones u show" started appearing while I was still falling": they were in 4D and moving so fast and changing into different shapes so fast I couldnt make them all out. Not all were circular, some looked exactly like 4D moving mandalas. Then the shapes disappeared and I was going through a tunnel where the walls had all different kinda moving parts. It finally lead to some kinda mass chaos then I all the sudden opened my eyes and realized I was alive and felt much better until,,,, I looked at my friend and he looked like a block figure made by a cheap computer I instantly closed my eyes out of total fear , then there was a feeling as if I been here before, then these weird shapes with an intelligence where there and it felt like they were telling me I shouldnt be here. Im gonna end it at that. but there is alot more. You said to email you if this scared anyone and I fit this bill, It gets scarier every time I tried it since and I see the same shapes every time " which doenst make any sense to me cause Ive done alot of acid and shrooms and its NEVER the same. I couldnt find your email but I would love to be a part of this cause I was a die hard atheist and this has assured me there is something else. It changed my life. Please send me a reply or message me on my you tube and I will give you my number. If not thank you for the work you are doing!!!
You should Google his name! You'll surely find his email!
hahahah this should be top comment XD
@Drew's Stuff well i would be really interested at reading or hearing more about your experiences!
That sounds u heard is like taking a plastic bag and crumbling it in your hands right before u take off and physical reality breaks apart into the spirit realm . its fucking beautiful and of course that knowing feeling of being there before and knowing the answers to everything.
@@vrfitnessandgaming3234 Yes. that is a good way to explain the sound. IDK about the answers to everything though. This has just left me with a ton more questions then anything else.
It's wonderful that so many people are able to talk openly about this in a culture of acceptance in a university associated with high social status and professional merit.
This was SOOOO HELPFUL AND INFORMATIVE!! My experience is not here … would love to share
This embodies precision and accuracy. It heavily reflects my experience. The best lecture I've seen on the subject.
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@@kalbashleyaisha9348 no he's not
Coming from a machine learning type perspective it almost sounds like all visual filters are firing regardless of visual input. Like if we are looking at a square in a sober state our "circle" or "triangle" filters may not fire their signals further down the visual system, but on DMT it sounds like they fire regardless of not getting the appropriate input. The result would be seeing all possible shapes simultaneously and then the deeper visual system does it's best to put them together which might explain the constant moving, shifting, rearranging of the shapes as the brain starts to try to understand these newfound hyper-shapes and what they could possibly represent.
I've never actually had the DMT experience but this lecture has definitely been the most compelling argument I've heard to try this in a controlled setting of some kind.
Look at the symptoms of “serotonin syndrome”. It’s like a temporary bout of serotonin syndrome. It’s serotonin receptors being overloaded.
Awesome presentation 👌 I have smoked dmt many times to the “threshold” point, and it’s a very pleasant and relaxing experience. I could see it being useful to alleviate severe anxiety and depression in microdoses. At the higher levels however I feel a little more mental constitution is preferable before attempting to reach these other stages. Anyone who’s taken higher doses knows how quickly you can go from zero to a billion 😅 it was really great to have someone put into words the unique mathematical/geometric feature of a dmt experience. I can fully attest to the “symmetry hotel”. I’ve also experienced a strange “binary flickering” for lack of a better description… it’s almost as if the patterns in the symmetry hotel also have some sort of binary pattern or electric nature to them. like a buzzing on/off audio-visual experience. I’ve always wondered if this was something other people noticed as well, though it is quite difficult to put into words. At chrysanthemum stage it’s as if reality melts or peels away. Some people describe it as “blasting off” to another reality, but to me it seems more as though visual “reality” dematerializes to reveal some deeper reality underneath. Your description of this amnesia level is interesting… but I have to wonder if it’s truly a lack of memory or rather a lack of words to describe the “memory”, and perhaps to what level the memory is preserved or stored. But I guess that’s a whole other issue on a neurological level (maybe… unless memory is holographic or not stored in the brain). Perhaps without a point of reference or some new vocabulary we just may not be able to verbally express the experience at that high level. I’m just rambling at this point. Thanks again for your detailed and scholarly study of dmt experiences 🧡
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Sinking into the experience while looking at others trying to explain it is something else.
Bless who ever recorded this guy!
This is lowkey the best lecture I've seen in my life
Good to know a group of really smart people at a really powerful institution have gotten their hands on this
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There's a guy who got hit in the head with a bat and ended up seeing patterns like these when he woke up in a coma, he then became a mathematician to illustrate or explain the visions. it's like these altered perceptions already exist in us. How is it possible, to have such precise and accurate details flow in our perceptions without any of our conscious control, or let alone seeing such patterns ever before? It's like our brain is a lot more mysterious and a lot more capable than we think it is.
brain is quantum
I'm glad that psychedelics are being discusses in a more ,,objective'' way, with mathematical precision, and not how it was approached in the 1960s. I don't remember who said this, but it went something like this: ,,It's a great tragedy, that the discovery of LSD's properties was clouded by the irresponsible hedonists, who reduced it's many properties to that of heroin''. All these substances were for a long time associated with self-indulgent collage-students who say that ,,everything is connected, maaaan'. Yet, the research into these mystical substances has been renewed (despite the attempts of the Reagan and Nixon administration), and I'm excited to see where the future leads.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reputation earned was contributed to, in part, by those Reagan, Nixon types to discourage their intellectual exploration.
Everything IS connected maaaaan
@masrrek5v132 🤣 I was gonna respond the same. 🤣 👍👍
Ram Dass would be so proud of how far things have come since his time there
I have experienced the incredible geometric patterns, I'll never forget it
Changed me
I find it crazy that the human mind is capable- and I stress capable (it not in the substance)- to have an intuitive sense of hyperbolic space. Maybe it's some kind of locked apptitude we have but rarely use because we live in euclidean perceived space.
That's what I think is the main takeaway from psychedelics. The structuring and restructuring of the interface and reality itself kind of opens up a real bizarre can of worms.
One example I found interesting is that these guys mentioned the effects of sound--I think sound is coalescing in these geometries as well, which is why we experience delay-like and reverberation qualities. You could have a lot of fun with Ableton or something experimenting. Animal Collective has been utilizing this sound space a long time now and they do it amazingly
That's cause we as consciousness live in quantum reality hilbert space and these brain interfaces are just an illusion
@@efleishermedia for hyperbolic space in particular you don't even need psychedelics. Just be into math lol
To be fair, all hyperbolic structures can be projected into euclidean structures. Just get a sense for how the transformation affects movements and it's not too difficult to translate between them.
The human mind is absolutely terrible at imagining higher dimensions intuitively.
Andres’ whole vibe did not disappoint.
Great presentation, we need more research like this (the quality of the audio recording could have been better)
The fact that this kind of discussion exists in a field of education is crazy
The fact that is was a taboo topic in educated circles for so long is what's crazy.
You're doing great work! We are at the gates of a frontier right now and it's about time we enter it
It's time...
I got over 15 years of 'study' on the topic here, love the connectiveness and heart it brings back to many many people. Set and setting and good people. I would LOVE to start just randomly submitting papers (old and new) that I have wrote up, experiments taken where one person draws a shape and the other does not know what, and draws it...I am convinced that telepathy has always been within us - just lost over time. Finding our roots again. I am very educated, high and stoned are words that give many of these tools a horrid name...it is medicine and better than most if not near all Rx's :'( sad but we can and will change that. Getting there faster now than ever before!!!
what kind of visuals did u see aside from shapes what emotions did u have?
did u see through the eyes of other people like a reinacrnation type of thing.
pls can u share ur experiences
Please share your study! I’m interested
@@ricodsanchez6792i did remenber past lifes and recover a really insane amount of information
I'm mind blown how accurate hyperbolic geometry is to the experience. From my experience the "waiting room" had the best feelings emotionally and physically, out of them all.
That's odd, common wisdom says the worst outcome is to get stuck in the waiting room
@@delta-9969 A lot of so called common wisdom regarding DMT is not really wisdom but some few blasting their opinion online.
People are way too obsessed with breakthroughs, but sometimes ghet the amnesia and dismiss other states which are just as valuable.
Take this wisdom from an experienced psychonaut
@@delta-9969 thats not to say that the waiting room is bad, it just isn't as good as the breakthrough.
Bless you ❤ Ram Dass for everything he did and starting the Harvard Psychedelic Club. Keep up the good work ❤
OMG Thank you, for letting me know about Magic Eyes again. I had a book in my childhood but I could never find the actually thing again and im soo amazed I finally found it again!
This video started out interesting and quickly los my attention. Maybe better for someone who hasn’t had such experience and wants to know what to expect before hand. In my opinion, the reason to take psychedelics is to step into the unknown and experience it for yourself without any pretense of what to expect. In my experience once I’ve taken the first step into the unknown. My trip begins and it’s not until I let go of control or fear and except the experience does it become blissful/ spiritual journey. I call this...
“ Falling Awake “
This accounts for international and external induced experiences. The external induced experience you may become stuck into a nightmare until the drug wears off. Internally induced you lose the experience all together because you fall back into a low frequency that relates to the flight or fight.
From firing Timothy Leary and Ram Dass in 1963 to DMT lectures in 2019... it took nearly 60 years but the world is finally changing
the world is in a constant state of change, what a dumb thing to say.
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@@johncitizen5130 Obviously this comment meant changing in terms of accepting these experiences as worth serious consideration. It would be best if you keep dumb.
Wonderful. I have been amazed at the original article, this talk is brilliant.
Explaining multiple planar surfaces intersecting at odd angles SEEMS crazy, until you show up in this room ^^ good stuff!
Best explanation in 5 years time !
I love the idea of a DMT "trajectory", the idea that the common metaphor of "flying" is a literal description of conscious experience. Eg flying past lower levels/too far/not far enough/and hitting a wall.
I'm also very happy to hear the explanation of the "depth map", complete with representing semantic content.
I can't ever remember seeing that many patterns on DMT. The experience feels more like a zoom meeting with a spirit or entity more than anything. I've seen things like a mother holding her child, a box full of marijuana (like I saw into the future of my own life), I've seen an Aztec pyramid just rise out of the carpet... but never too many fractal patterns. The most DMT I ever did showed me a Chitinous throne room, with a machine at the center that looked like a rubix cube, constantly changing shape and color.
Most of the time I end up growing plants or doing some kind of research as a result of the trip.
Bipinnate leaves are the ones you want to look for, at least to start out.
I’m so glad you discuss finding the trajectory of an experience and how that correlates to dosage and other variables. I said in a previous comment that I think dmt could be very medically useful, especially at micro-doses (or a gradual increase in dosage over time) and this data is actually super important for anyone wanting to seriously experiment with dmt, even in a clinical setting. And talking about mapping consciousness or properties thereof. I believe we could learn quite a bit from researching more into the geography of hallucinogenic experiences.
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This right here, thank you. to have a language to explain what was seen to be able to share the experience. this was as good as the hit dude. i will reach out to share what i have seen if it helps. just amazing really
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21:00 gave me goosebumps because of how accurate that is to the trip. It brought back memories!
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Jesus, this is terrifying. I feel like I've been to these places without drugs, during extreme fever and waking hallucinations when I was a kid. Not sure I want to go back there.
go back
Just know it is your brain glitching out, getting overclocked in a way. There are limits that are very hard to anneal, as remarked around 44:45.
No need to go back with the help of a chemical if you're cool with that.
That was also dmt.The pineal gland is producing it.
it may be more of a horror trip when you have bad emotions linked with it. only do it if you feel safe and have people around you that you trust. then you maybe can imagine these good emotions or thoughts get amplified just as your bad fever dreams. feeling in control is also a big thing. if you think you cannot handle it dont do it.
dont be scared of things you've never done.
Excellent work. We now need a more efficient way of dosing. Smoking or vaporising anything isn't very accurate. IV isn't widely accessible. We need another solution.
Boofing obviously
Thanks for paving the way to content like this, Ram Dass and Tim Leary ❤️
Oh my good god I’m glad I found these people, this channel...
can you guys do an experiment where a subject is breaking through in a forest (or similar environment) where buzzing insects, such as cicadas, are prevalent? there was a video here on youtube about a decade ago depicting a lone man in a forest at dusk with tons of buzzing insects everywhere and after he vaped dmt and started breaking through, the insects began synchronizing their buzzing into sounds you'd hear during many psychedelic experiences. it was truly astonishing and the video/channel has since been deleted (for depicting drug usage)
Very informative and relatable, can’t wait to see what else we learn in the future
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Absolutely love this presentation... For the last 13 years I've been getting personally familiar with DiMiTri. Since my first experience I've learned 2 methods of extraction from Mimosa inner root bark... Even after 500+ doses I am still apprehensive about it... Definitely something to respect!
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Extremely interesting.. Thank you for the upload!
There is a sense this approach is taken from early modern philosophy of Leibniz monad theory by way of combinational theory of conscious states as well as open conscious states that correlate to innate mind stuff. The sense of hyper rational fields that map reality begs the question as in how could the producer of the field empirically show the information is verifiable given its innate ideas are subject dependent.
The psytrance community would really appreciate you using high quality audio for your presentations! :P
This talk gives vocabulary to something I thought to be indescribable
lol these aren't totally new terms bud, they are taking multiple words and combining them to make a new term. but there is nothing here that took the ineffable and made it efable, that part of the experiences still remain.
a good way to look at it is a word like equilateral when describing a triangle. equal was a word and lateral was a word. then they put the two together to describe a concept.
Never heard of Terrance Mckenna?
what i find especially interesting is that I've experienced each level of hyperbolic geometry and apart of the emotional response to this has been an ability to tap into residual levels of geometry when I'm sober. I have learned to meditate through some intense psychedelic trips. I can now meditate to the point (without any mind altering substances) to where I have a surface level visuals which immediately intensify when i close my eyes. Its given me a new lust for life and i've been able to overcome a serious bout of depression that has been with me since early teen years. It's not that my newfound happiness is sourced from the meditation or psychedelics, its that they opened up my mind. I have a full understanding of how my self and my ego interact. I know how to treat people better because I've changed the way my ego (what I consider my inner voice) speaks to me and how it reacts to the outside world. and its just a great feeling now that I finally have a sense of purpose in my life. Humans should feel humbled by the beautiful Synchronicity of life and nature. Everything happens for a reason and you won't enjoy anything unless you find a way to give life a meaning. Being alive is enough of a high.
I can't personally testify to what you're saying, but your experience sounds remarkably similar to my brother with his shroom experience. He tells me that in deep states of meditation, or when he is falling asleep, he will be able to see low level fractal patterns. He essentially told me that he never really lost the ability to see those visuals even after his psychedelic experiences.
Cannot agree more.
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Total genius level stuff here. Better than most TED talks I've seen. I hope you win many awards. That said, is there any evidence from your POV that DMT users actually contact a different dimension / reality (as TMcK believed), or does it just feel that way ?
Thank you!!
No hard evidence afaik, but I'm open to it. Some experiences seems to suggest it, but so far it's still consistent with hyperdimensional hallucinations.
I feel like for all of us who stumbled upon this in suggested videos....we are pretty rad humans. Just saying.
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@@moretech lol yes
@@moretech Not necessarily, far too many variables to be so black or white
i looked it up LOL
@Jackie Legs lol I'm definitely not a hippy. Unless most hippies watch Tim Pool and podcast of the lotus eaters. :P
Anyone else find it interesting that the levels coincide with the dimensions you see. Threshold; black and white 1st dimension, Chrysanthemum; flat shapes of color 2nd dimension, Magic eye; 3d shapes 3rd demension, Waiting room; the bending of time and space the 4th dimension, breakthrough; the 5th dimension unconceivable to us but has infinite geometry.
and then there is Kenny Rogers wait , that is the First Dimension , The 5th dimension is Dawning of the Age of Aquarious, chalez holmes )();}0>
gross oversimplification
This makes me want go back to university.
I'm more than sure if they handed out individual sample packs of DMT to each of us watching this video we would understand the content a lot quicker and easier than all other methods of teaching us . It's Just a thought that entered my Brain .
That reminds me that having a screen display the synapses in your brain firing in real time whilst also learning significantly enhances the speed at which you do learn.
Yeah lmao it would be 100000000000x times more enlightening 😂
True
meh. most of us would just burn the whole sample trying to get the smoking technique right. we need more than that :P
Well of course friend because it's hands on teaching! Hahaha I frigging love this stuff
I miss measured one time did 100 mg my entire life flashed before my eyes sound sputtered down rapidly. Everything went numb, and I felt ego disillusion to the highest degree I’ve ever felt to where I thought I was actually dying. It was quite beautiful and gave me such a sense of peace for a moment I panicked, but the experience was so fast I was able to let go and just as I said, thank you and goodbye I came back open my eyes and was more grateful for others around me, and no longer fear mortality. In that moment, I felt God’s presence and it was beyond a breakthrough. It was a peak into the afterlife something I can’t put in the words, but it was profound I’ve broke through many times I’ve only seen one entity. It was like a angel described from Ezekiel in front of a castle in India. I can’t put this in the words, but any in every experience I’ve ever had was never negative.
Beautiful!! Thank you for sharing ☺️
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The "breakthrough" and "high breakthrough" sounds and looks like literal hell.
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This is so interesting!
Amazing presentation!
This was very seriously interesting. Thanks for posting
Interesting to watch with HPPD! Thanks for the info as well
Insanely important research really. Maybe the MOST important field Today in my opinion.
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why would you tell us to turn on closed caption when you haven't transcribed tthe captions manually and the automatically generated captions are so, so very terrible?? come on you can do better
These experiences happen without drugs.
Well you have missed a turn in your graph 37:40 A 3D representation of this would look like a cone and not like a flat piece of paper. Where the person sitting top left surrounded by gold needs to be at the top right and the top right needs to be where the person surrounded by gold is sitting. You have missed a turn please try again. 44:37 Well no, there are no loops. If you loop then you have missed a turn. When you get all the way to the top at 11 approaches 12 there is another turn but that turn is death.
Sacred geometry, fractals, cymatics, Pythagoras, Yoga, vibrations, Golden ratios, harmonic frequencies.. We’re waking up
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Are any of these new?
Blown away by the talk and I haven't ever taken DMT. Disappointed by the questions tbh, seemed to focus on aesthetics and semantics rather than the general effort to build a comprehensive framework. You all are doing wonderful work!
I was expecting this to be complete pseudoscience but this seams pretty legit.
Very nice.
Are you religious?
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Not really, no.
Yeah I skipped over this in my recommended so many times, this time the word Harvard caught my attention which made me go "hmmm..." I clicked expecting someone to have rented Harvard halls for some bullshit but only like 3 minutes into the video and I am already glad I finally clicked it
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I have tried to explain an experience I had on DPT so many times, but I think it is something very similar to how you describe the waiting room. It's not that there were fractals projected onto the space around me, but rather that the process generated a fractal out of the space itself, into which I was subsumed.
But this patterning built onto a higher level pattern that involved time. After passing through the space fractal, I found myself in a much more regular distorted space, in which a brief narrative occured, and then the time looping started. It felt like I would be trapped in the time looping cycle for eternity, but then the process actually generated a pattern out of the looped segment of time, and I have no memory of what happened after that
Have you every tried DMT? DPT is very similar in effects with a longer half-life but seemingly more mechanical visuals in terms of artistic expression. Does it smell similar to mothballs as well?
That was good, excellent job describing subtle details and categorizing them
This geometry is on the walls of religious temples
Which exactly?
Could you provide some link for reference?
@@samuel3807 Image search "gothic cathedral ceiling" for some solid examples
@@samuel3807 well try search any islamic art.
Because they were high as fuck
Spiritual temples*
Our brains are accustomed to try and organize visual data in a particular way based on standard experience so when you see, hear and feel the actual quantum field behind it all it is difficult not to attribute objects from memory. The brain has evolved in a way to block this field to give a corporeal experience completely comprised of conscious energy, hence the 'illusion' those who are experienced describe as standard perception. I imagine lower life forms without eyeballs experience life in this DMT like perception.
I really want to try DMT or magic mushrooms but i don't know where or how to get them, I can't find a source any recommendations??
I could remember the first time i tripped it was so thrilling I felt like I was deep into the sea
I have enjoyed lot's of trips from ket, lsd but i have never tried DMT before hope 2grams isn't bad for a starter
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Thanks for being the trailblazers and making this experience scientific and study-able. How sure are you about the different geometries/states and most people having a similar experience? How did you study these states without leading the witness, so to speak? Or was there anyway to know if y'all were re-experiencing what Terrence McKenna and earlier psychonauts said in their talks? Aren't we a bit impressionable in that sense? I wasn't sure how to ask this question any other way and hope you see this as a sincere ask.., I'm very thankful for your ballsy explorations and hypothesis/theories in this space.
Hi Karthik! Thank you for the kind words. I'm the speaker. You can find a lot more content of mine in my channel, as well as in the Qualia Research Institute website.
To address your question: we definitely consider how suggestion and preconceptions affect the experience. It does seem to be the case that the semantic content is heavily influenced by it (e.g. whether your interpretation is spiritual, just fun, or something alien, for instance). But the phenomenal character does seem to fall into several categories that are dose dependent and universal. These broad categories, as discussed in the talk, are things like the Symmetry Hotel or Magic Eye level. Preconceptions will determine what you do with these geometric structures. But depending on dose/level of energy, you will deal with such geometric categories whether you realize it or not. Also, 99% of people think all they can say about a trip is what it was about. We are not very interested in that; far more meaningful, we think, is to reverse engineer the mechanisms of consciousness by paying attention to the actual dynamics that gave rise to such geometries. There is a huge amount of content I've put out on all of this, so feel free to read up on it and comment back.
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IM A OUTSIDER THATS NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING OR ANYONE AN THIS VIDEO EXPLAINS PERFECTLY THE STAGES OF D.M.T. WOW THANK U CUZ I THINK EVERY ONE NEEDS IT IN A BIG DEAL WAY ... IT HEALS HELP GROW AS A GROWN PERSON OR THE ONLY WAY TO SEE LIFE AS IT REALLY IS WITH OUT IT U WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT LIFE IS