You can always use Software to create Same sounds there are no limits with the sends in Ableton or logic - also with midi controller u can reproduce the analog feel of jamming with hardware - for a very very low budget
@@jannis5943 I know, it takes a bit more effort but yes, love ableton vocoder/wavetable chords, arturia has some awesome tape delays and verbs for moderate price, theres always a cheaper option but man I would love an octatrack, I guess
@@h2o1969 not exactly the mixer but the sends and parallel processing of a signal. Like the story goes, it all started with an echo and a verb. Now any daw can do it, you dont even need hardware, any modern daw is absurdly more powerfull than any dub pro old setups and therefore capable of handling everything inside achieving the same detail of sound and depth. its just a bit less human, you gotta program the human on the computer.
Awesome to see Oora here 👍💜 You pretty much listed out my upbringing with that dub selection. Jan Jelinek, Pole, Chain Reaction and of course Tillianders TM-404 project, awesome stuff!
TM-404 is ACID, Jan Jelinek is Clicks & Cuts/Microhouse, Chain Reaction is half experimental ambient and half minimal techno. Do people nowadays call everything Dub that has a delay or reverb in it?
@@hanshandkante5055 i guess people call it all sorts of things, but you’re right, they are all those things as well, but dub is a huge part for those artists. I think a big part is perhaps their references and how and what they create with, but also their use of bass, as was the case with Scape~ with big dub influences.
I actually visited Pole's office/studio with Barbara Preisinger in Berlin, sadly he was not in but had a nice lunch with Barbara ...that was 30 years ago
@@sazianasazi1182 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he doesnt use the pedal board on the top right. So it's more like 2500$ including cables, which is actually a pretty fair price considering all the possibilities of that setup. Of course you could save some more money by replacing the octatrack, but you'd probably end up with buying a midi sequencer, a drum machine and maybe even a sampler on top instead.
get a used Midas, Allen & Heath or Soundcraft mixer (500,- max) with 16 channels and a few auxiliaries, buy some delay and never pedals and there you go..
@@vagueaudiotelevision7951 DBA Rooms 500$, Nightsky 500$, Microcosm 500$, Mood 500$, LVX 600$. I live in Europe, so add shipping (for boutique items) and 25% tax.
Totally Lush mix on your pan & pot full phat mix. Velvet on my ears. And Great to see you break it down to what's achievable 😊 Good luck with the move, btw. Hope you find a peaceful zen space. Cheers 🍻 👏
Nice video! Regarding the budget version; it can also perfectly be done inside #AbletonLive or #Bitwig . A MIDI controller with some faders and / or encoders would come in handy, too. But nothing fancy actually.
Quality jam and tips, Sir! How do you get your kicks to sit so well in the mixes. I can never get my 909 or other kick drums sitting right eq slotting wise with the bass in my mixes? @@OoraMusic
Hey man, this was a cool video.. I think you've out done yourself this time! I really enjoyed the intro/history part and I think your editing and production actually improved a little bit from past videos. Not to say what you were doing was bad before, I've been a fan for a while now and support you on multiple platforms, just saying, seems you keep getting better! Kudos! Looking forward to more productions!
Fantastic thanks for your knowledge .. I loved the AM1 with 6 Aux so took a look at the price and my jaw completely fell off!! $84,000 !! Glad you did a budget one !!
@@paultorbert6929 Yeah still way out of my price range .. I grabbed a Tascam Model 24 the other year it has 3 Auxs and i use splitters to extend to other fx . I wish someone would come out with an Aux send heavy small mixer i'm pretty sure there would be a market for it. Most only have 2 Aux which is pretty limiting but pushes creation i suppose .
Hey I envy you this studio beautiful machines surround you from everywhere. I have a question about those effects from the zed 10 mixer is that you have set one by one in a row? And is the Delay before the reverb or after it? write me the full name of this zero control device. bartek
at 22:33 ish the delays take on a sucking quality (almost reversed-sounding). how is that achieved here. or is it some form of sidechain? Thank for your documentary 👍
I don't expect to create hate, honestly. But I think there are good things and one bad thing in this video. The good things are the selection of reference artists in the world of electronic dub and the approach to this style at the level of equipment. The bad thing is that using lots of delay and reverb over any electronic base doesn't make it dub. If you listen to any of the references indicated at the beginning of the video (Pole, Basic Channel...) there is a characteristic pulse that refers to the original dub, a certain Jamaican warmth that does not exist in many of the productions of the so-called dub techno or derivatives. Just an opinion. Good video anyway.
@@OoraMusic and in no way did I say that :). I just wanted to point out that Dub, although it is built on the use of certain technical elements, it carries a certain character, sonority, etc. that goes beyond the use of those technical elements on any musical material.
It seems that you're basically saying that the music he is making is not dub / dub techno, but I think the majority of people who hear it would call it dub techno without a thought. He's not defining dub, he's just showing some of the process he uses in his own music. I don't think it has to sound like Pole, Basic Channel or whatever to be dub techno, they have not defined any particular rules. You may prefer the character etc. of their music, but that does not mean that it defines what dub / dub techno is. Your comments seem to lack any substance. Can you specifically say how this 'characteristic pulse', 'certain character' etc. is achieved and where it has been referenced that this particularly defines dub? I'm not trying to create any conflict either, I'm just genuinely curious as a lover of this genre.
And to follow up on this, if anyone's reading.. I can't tell if I'm supposed to just modulate the sends on my mixer, or both the sends and the feedback of the delay unit? Do most people toggle with both, or should I find a sweetspot with the feedback on the delay unit and just mess wiht the send knobs on the mixer? I guess I can just continue doing what feels right.
Basic Channel Top of all time ..with new stuff soah they don't get the same sound as with the rudimentary stuff of old Fluxion ,Maurizio,Rod modell,Monolake,Octex,Dublicator...etc
I really appreciated the historic journey of the technical aspects of dub ( the spiritual and consciousness dimensions exist too!), thanks, but to be perfectly and respectfully frank with you ( and I don’t know if this was intended), but your demo did not sound like dub at all! I would advise turning everything off except your Digitakt, build a master drum kit and just make 16 unique dub beats.
To be perfectly and respectfully frank with you, your advice sounds like you're trying to be condescending yet you're not giving good advice at all. If you think it does not sound like dub, can you not advise him about techniques/processes/elements that would actually make it sound more like dub? Or do you not have that knowledge? I mean, if you could reasonably and specifically tell him what he is doing wrong, you would come across as someone who knows what he is talking about, but in absence of this, how do you expect him or anyone to take you seriously? Anyone with no clue about dub could say what you did.
@@Pharmacymusic1 I believe I more than hinted that the spiritual and consciousness aspects of dub need to be considered in any treatise of the genre, and even went on to encourage the composer to research the 16 unique beats of dub, and why they exist. I did think about this in the meantime, and I admit here that I rushed to the presumption that by "dub", the composer meant "dub reggae". Were they techniques of "dubbing" rather than the genre of "dub reggae" that are being applied to what we are referring to here as "techno dub", then I totally apologise for presumptious and misplaced advice. However, if we are talking "dub reggae", then I still stand by all I've said above.
My comments keep getting deleted so I'm using a different account in the hope that you will get this one. It seems to be my bad bro. When you said make 16 unique dub beats I didn’t know that there are actually 16 classic beats of dub that can be researched. I thought that you were literally just telling hime to practice lol, but I should have figured out that you wouldn’t just use an arbitrary number like 16. Anyway, this seems to be good advice for anyone who makes dub or dub techno and I’d be interested in the 16 beats myself. I’ve looked them up online and can’t find anything about them, can you point me in some direction of where to find out about them? Sorry for the misunderstanding bro. @@prezellthomas6065
It seems to be my bad bro. When you said make 16 unique dub beats I didn’t know that there are actually 16 classic beats of dub that can be researched. I thought that you were literally just telling hime to practice lol, but I should have figured out that you wouldn’t just use an arbitrary number like 16. Anyway, this seems to be good advice for anyone who makes dub or dub techno and I’d be interested in the 16 beats myself. I’ve looked them up online and can’t find anything about them, can you point me in some direction of where to find out about them? Sorry for the misunderstanding bro. @@prezellthomas6065
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we have different definitions of budget for sure, great video tho specially the roots of the genre very educational
You can always use Software to create Same sounds there are no limits with the sends in Ableton or logic - also with midi controller u can reproduce the analog feel of jamming with hardware - for a very very low budget
@@jannis5943 I know, it takes a bit more effort but yes, love ableton vocoder/wavetable chords, arturia has some awesome tape delays and verbs for moderate price, theres always a cheaper option but man I would love an octatrack, I guess
I am planning to do a video just using controller and softwares!
Yeah but really you can use any sound sources and effects you want. The key seems to be the mixer.
@@h2o1969 not exactly the mixer but the sends and parallel processing of a signal. Like the story goes, it all started with an echo and a verb. Now any daw can do it, you dont even need hardware, any modern daw is absurdly more powerfull than any dub pro old setups and therefore capable of handling everything inside achieving the same detail of sound and depth. its just a bit less human, you gotta program the human on the computer.
Wow. That was brilliantly explained. I feel inspired to use my mixer and pedals. Thank you sir
The "budget performance" reminds me a lot of the Modular on the Roof session that I liked so much from years ago.
Awesome to see Oora here 👍💜
You pretty much listed out my upbringing with that dub selection. Jan Jelinek, Pole, Chain Reaction and of course Tillianders TM-404 project, awesome stuff!
TM-404 is ACID, Jan Jelinek is Clicks & Cuts/Microhouse, Chain Reaction is half experimental ambient and half minimal techno. Do people nowadays call everything Dub that has a delay or reverb in it?
@@hanshandkante5055 i guess people call it all sorts of things, but you’re right, they are all those things as well, but dub is a huge part for those artists. I think a big part is perhaps their references and how and what they create with, but also their use of bass, as was the case with Scape~ with big dub influences.
I actually visited Pole's office/studio with Barbara Preisinger in Berlin, sadly he was not in but had a nice lunch with Barbara ...that was 30 years ago
Thanks for the feature!!
amazing video. oswald aka maurizio also influenced me and he still does!
Beautifully done! 👏🏽👏🏽
Suggesting a budget setup as well is such a cool idea!
Keep em coming!
That "budget" setup costs over 6000$ 🙃
@@sazianasazi1182 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he doesnt use the pedal board on the top right. So it's more like 2500$ including cables, which is actually a pretty fair price considering all the possibilities of that setup. Of course you could save some more money by replacing the octatrack, but you'd probably end up with buying a midi sequencer, a drum machine and maybe even a sampler on top instead.
get a used Midas, Allen & Heath or Soundcraft mixer (500,- max) with 16 channels and a few auxiliaries, buy some delay and never pedals and there you go..
@@sazianasazi1182 Zed10 $300
Sh-01a $300
Octatrack mk2 $1200
Re-20 $300
Holy Grail nano $100
Sky Surfer $75
Where you get 6k from? 🤔
@@vagueaudiotelevision7951 DBA Rooms 500$, Nightsky 500$, Microcosm 500$, Mood 500$, LVX 600$. I live in Europe, so add shipping (for boutique items) and 25% tax.
Nice cliffhanger here @ThomannSynthesizers ...hoping that Part 2 is already in the making?
Working on it!
💫@@OoraMusic
it was captivating and absolutely inspiring!
glad to hear that!
how great to see Oora working with Thomann! Two of my favourites coming together! :)
Love it!! Excellent work everyone involved. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
thanks!
Great explanation of the essence of dub 👍
Nice job Oora & Thomann 👍
thanks!
Dub got me into making Music Years ago. timeless and inspiring. thank you for this great featured video!
@ 1:55 you really got me there. My conversion to Dub Techno, this tune isn't even Dub Techno anymore, is just a stellar travel 😊 Subscribed
Fantastic stuff. Love it!
Totally Lush mix on your pan & pot full phat mix. Velvet on my ears. And Great to see you break it down to what's achievable 😊 Good luck with the move, btw. Hope you find a peaceful zen space. Cheers 🍻 👏
thanks so much!
Very inspiring! I like the idea of having a mixer as a central part of the performance setup. Thanks!
Great video. Quality presentation, demo and tips.
I enjoyed this video so much. Thank you.
Thank you. I’ve been listening to dub techno for many years but know very little about the people behind it
Beautiful presentation! I would also mention Brendon Moeller (Beat Pharmacy/Echologist) as a true representative of the genre
good stuff, really enjoyed this what a nice setup too the super 6 keeps looking at me ☺
Great to see you playing w/ this beautiful setup....
thanks!
Really awesome video. I enjoyed the breakdown of both systems.
Beauriful.
Nice video! Regarding the budget version; it can also perfectly be done inside #AbletonLive or #Bitwig . A MIDI controller with some faders and / or encoders would come in handy, too. But nothing fancy actually.
man, you have to stop tickling my brain with these tunes! It's getting out of control!!!
Love it! - cheers! - 👍👍👍
The Budget Performance is my favorite 😉💥👏
:)
Oora on 🔥Great video with a bit of history, great music and the two setups. 👌
thanks!!
Quality jam and tips, Sir!
How do you get your kicks to sit so well in the mixes. I can never get my 909 or other kick drums sitting right eq slotting wise with the bass in my mixes?
@@OoraMusic
Hey man, this was a cool video.. I think you've out done yourself this time! I really enjoyed the intro/history part and I think your editing and production actually improved a little bit from past videos. Not to say what you were doing was bad before, I've been a fan for a while now and support you on multiple platforms, just saying, seems you keep getting better! Kudos! Looking forward to more productions!
Cool 🎉
Much Respect fam!
Great video !!
Nice budget you got there. 🤑
🔥🔥🔥 dope
Great video
Seriously, an ad for Bax Music on the Thomann channel? Why even have ads at all?
Fantastic thanks for your knowledge .. I loved the AM1 with 6 Aux so took a look at the price and my jaw completely fell off!! $84,000 !! Glad you did a budget one !!
Soundcraft makes mixing consoles with multiple AUX channels….. and the can be purchased easily…..
The Soundcraft LX7ii consoles
@@paultorbert6929 Yeah still way out of my price range .. I grabbed a Tascam Model 24 the other year it has 3 Auxs and i use splitters to extend to other fx . I wish someone would come out with an Aux send heavy small mixer i'm pretty sure there would be a market for it. Most only have 2 Aux which is pretty limiting but pushes creation i suppose .
Try a Mackie 8 buss, just as good.
@@bcitral we use one in the studio way too big for a home setup .
Good point, the Mackie isn't small
Hey I envy you this studio beautiful machines surround you from everywhere. I have a question about those effects from the zed 10 mixer is that you have set one by one in a row? And is the Delay before the reverb or after it? write me the full name of this zero control device. bartek
Top !
For dub effects on a budget can you recommend any Behringer pedals?
Cheers
at 22:33 ish the delays take on a sucking quality (almost reversed-sounding). how is that achieved here. or is it some form of sidechain? Thank for your documentary 👍
What are the 2 pedals in front of the Space Echo? You mentioned on but couldn't catch what is was
Great video!! Anyone knows how to do that aquatic sounds?? 05:00 / 06:25 and etc
Thats spring reverb my friend
Don't give me more reasons to collect all the reverbs.
I don't expect to create hate, honestly. But I think there are good things and one bad thing in this video. The good things are the selection of reference artists in the world of electronic dub and the approach to this style at the level of equipment. The bad thing is that using lots of delay and reverb over any electronic base doesn't make it dub. If you listen to any of the references indicated at the beginning of the video (Pole, Basic Channel...) there is a characteristic pulse that refers to the original dub, a certain Jamaican warmth that does not exist in many of the productions of the so-called dub techno or derivatives. Just an opinion. Good video anyway.
Agree !
By no means I am comparing myself to the masters I referenced.
@@OoraMusic and in no way did I say that :). I just wanted to point out that Dub, although it is built on the use of certain technical elements, it carries a certain character, sonority, etc. that goes beyond the use of those technical elements on any musical material.
It seems that you're basically saying that the music he is making is not dub / dub techno, but I think the majority of people who hear it would call it dub techno without a thought. He's not defining dub, he's just showing some of the process he uses in his own music. I don't think it has to sound like Pole, Basic Channel or whatever to be dub techno, they have not defined any particular rules. You may prefer the character etc. of their music, but that does not mean that it defines what dub / dub techno is. Your comments seem to lack any substance. Can you specifically say how this 'characteristic pulse', 'certain character' etc. is achieved and where it has been referenced that this particularly defines dub? I'm not trying to create any conflict either, I'm just genuinely curious as a lover of this genre.
Quick question, maybe I missed it: Are the FX units set to fully wet?
And to follow up on this, if anyone's reading.. I can't tell if I'm supposed to just modulate the sends on my mixer, or both the sends and the feedback of the delay unit? Do most people toggle with both, or should I find a sweetspot with the feedback on the delay unit and just mess wiht the send knobs on the mixer? I guess I can just continue doing what feels right.
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Is Jan Jelinek not pronounced with a Jäger-J?
the boss re 202 sounds really bad for around 350,- Euro
where did he get the super cheap octatrack??
Basic Channel Top of all time ..with new stuff soah they don't get the same sound as with the rudimentary stuff of old Fluxion ,Maurizio,Rod modell,Monolake,Octex,Dublicator...etc
What are the radial extc boxes used on?
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I really appreciated the historic journey of the technical aspects of dub ( the spiritual and consciousness dimensions exist too!), thanks, but to be perfectly and respectfully frank with you ( and I don’t know if this was intended), but your demo did not sound like dub at all! I would advise turning everything off except your Digitakt, build a master drum kit and just make 16 unique dub beats.
To be perfectly and respectfully frank with you, your advice sounds like you're trying to be condescending yet you're not giving good advice at all. If you think it does not sound like dub, can you not advise him about techniques/processes/elements that would actually make it sound more like dub? Or do you not have that knowledge? I mean, if you could reasonably and specifically tell him what he is doing wrong, you would come across as someone who knows what he is talking about, but in absence of this, how do you expect him or anyone to take you seriously? Anyone with no clue about dub could say what you did.
@@Pharmacymusic1 I believe I more than hinted that the spiritual and consciousness aspects of dub need to be considered in any treatise of the genre, and even went on to encourage the composer to research the 16 unique beats of dub, and why they exist. I did think about this in the meantime, and I admit here that I rushed to the presumption that by "dub", the composer meant "dub reggae". Were they techniques of "dubbing" rather than the genre of "dub reggae" that are being applied to what we are referring to here as "techno dub", then I totally apologise for presumptious and misplaced advice. However, if we are talking "dub reggae", then I still stand by all I've said above.
I get you bro, but my comments seem to be deleted every time for some reason.@@prezellthomas6065
My comments keep getting deleted so I'm using a different account in the hope that you will get this one. It seems to be my bad bro. When you said make 16 unique dub beats I didn’t know that there are actually 16 classic beats of dub that can be researched. I thought that you were literally just telling hime to practice lol, but I should have figured out that you wouldn’t just use an arbitrary number like 16. Anyway, this seems to be good advice for anyone who makes dub or dub techno and I’d be interested in the 16 beats myself. I’ve looked them up online and can’t find anything about them, can you point me in some direction of where to find out about them? Sorry for the misunderstanding bro.
@@prezellthomas6065
It seems to be my bad bro. When you said make 16 unique dub beats I didn’t know that there are actually 16 classic beats of dub that can be researched. I thought that you were literally just telling hime to practice lol, but I should have figured out that you wouldn’t just use an arbitrary number like 16. Anyway, this seems to be good advice for anyone who makes dub or dub techno and I’d be interested in the 16 beats myself. I’ve looked them up online and can’t find anything about them, can you point me in some direction of where to find out about them? Sorry for the misunderstanding bro. @@prezellthomas6065
damn 95K for that console
what Console is it?
@@trakliteproductions I don't know any more. I think I looked closely to his videos or description of videos to figure it out.
5k Budget performance
Zed10 $300
Sh-01a $300
Octatrack mk2 $1200
Re-20 $300
Holy Grail nano $100
Sky Surfer $75
Where you get 5k from? 🤔
this isnt dub
a prime example of how buying all the nicest gear doesn’t make one a competent artist/musician