Regarding the GPU usage % not showing on the 7900 XT- for some reason when I started this round of testing, I could just not get it to display using my usual overlay. I did multiple DDU runs, driver reinstalls, installing older drivers and then upgrading, reinstalling afterburner/rtss, etc. In the end, it wasn't the crucial part of the video, so I just went ahead and ran the benchmarks without a few of the stats showing. I have no idea why it wouldn't work this time, since it usually shows up with no issue. And unfortunately this is the case for all the AMD GPUs I just finished testing in this set of games. The rest of the stats still show on the UE5 games since it was working when I tested that set of games a couple weeks ago. Also note a mall error: In the very last test (Immortals of Aveum 4K Ultra, DLSS/FSR Q, FG on/off) I typed 50 for the 1% low result on the 7900 XT instead of 56. The overall 106% result was correct.
oh no as a nvidia user i dread my stats not showing when i spent so much time to make them the way i want from settings to font to everything. this alone makes me not want an amd card
@@RXC13 it does. The truth is - this is the class of the cards you won't use without ray tracing techniques if they're available, and ray tracing is a lot faster on NVIDIA. DLSS tech, fast AI cores and a lot of other technologies are a huge bonus. In fact I would just buy 4070 Super instead of 4070 Ti Super if it was the matter of 150$ price difference for me, because AMD is so much worse in practice. AMD was a solid choice until the RTX era. Also RX 6000 series was quite decent. But now it's just not worth the savings. RTX 4000 is so much technologically ahead it's ridiculous.
@Mark72969 it's easier to steal the money than the card. Anyway, I saved up the money and got a break with a promotion, so i bought a 4080. The only problem now is building my pc. Because of my promotion, i don't have time... to build it or play games.
Hey Daniel, another great topic could be: - 4k 60 fps capable GPUs using middle-high settings and balanced or aggressive upscaling(when quality is quite all right, especially for those who play on TV and not monitor ) - 4k 60 fps capable GPUs using high-ultra settings and balanced and sometimes aggressive upscaling In this way, we can see some surprises, when cards like rx6700xt or 4060ti can be 4k capable of course with some compromises in visual settings, but still, not the lowest settings, but quite decent, thanks a lot
In my country, the 7900xt is R16k while the 4070 TI Super is R19k ($840 vs $1000). The 7900xt is the clear winner for me then; since I game at 1440p and RT is still pretty gimmicky by all accounts. So thanks for the in depth review!
@shiestystacks9014 nice one! I got the 7900xt a while back (it went on special at R15k - $800). Been a great card! Amazon just launched here too, so hopefully we'll start getting better pricing on tech
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button
Indeed, you have everything you need there, all of the driver settings, overclock, screen and video capture, game launcher, etc. And it doesn't require an AMD account. To do the same in nvidia you need the drivers with control panel from the xp years, geforce experience, that requires an nvidia account, and msi afterburner.
amd software much way better, the only point that i doesnt like is NO Ansel!! clips better to make. And i dont find a screenshoot button at amd side only record. its nice to have alt+f1 for screens.
honestly the progress that AMD made in the past few years to try to close the gap with Nvidia is praise worthy. People forget how far behind AMD were in terms of drivers, let alone Hardware, software or feature (Cuda cores, RT cores, Adrenaline, FSR .....). Yet the past 2 generations AMD have truly offered a good alternative that could not always compete head on but had enough arguments and price difference to justify a satisfied purchase. In the past 2.5 years i never had a single problem with my AMD GPU (software or hardware), I do not hesitate to recommend some of their products. I would not have done so 5 years ago.... KNowing that Nvidia are reaching the limit of PCB size on 5nm (moving to 3 for blackwell), it shows that they have very little margin for maneuver in terms of power, performance, and price. While AMD chiplet model gives them flexibility particularly on price at the cost of a little performance for now. But you can see them improve with time, experience and R&D. Rumors are now pointing towards a dedicated chiplet on next gen GPU's for RT. If we can get a 7900xt raster equivalent with 25-30% improved RT for around 600-650$ I believe people would be really happy. According to MLiD AMD could sell 7900xt for 650 today and still make a small margin, so next gen card of this level of performance can't be sold for more.... Entry and mid level gamers would I think love next gen AMD cards
Another fantastic video. Between you and Gamers Nexus, I learn everything I need about new tech. You bring the in-depth discussion of various points and what it would mean in the day-to-day along with key technical data that no one else really does (like memory utilization, frame timing comparisons, and using the newest games), while GN fills in the few gaps of technical data you don't provide (like power usage and efficiency). Between you and GN, I don't need other gaming tech news. That said, I'll be a broken record on one point: $800 for this level of performance is kind of silly. Top mid-range cards were around $500 dollars not even that long ago. The extra $200-300 is pretty rough. I think you're right that 1440p with some kind of raytracing is the battleground at this price-point. I'm still down here at 1080p, crying myself to sleep for lack of meaningful solutions.
pfft thats alot of money for such a card, i would feel pretty bad for giving such an amount of money for a card without dlss and decent rt. a 40 would last longer.
@groenevinger3893 I gave at 1440p and don't need upscaling in any games I play. Paying for RT features in a card like a 4070ti is a sucker move, since RT is gonna give a major performance hit. 4070ti has weaker raster performance and costs more. Q¡
@@groenevinger3893 cope harder bruh, raster will be always the main point, not all people care about rt or upscaling, Many people make that as an option an not as a requirements that why most 40 series sales are flop
I just finished an all-AMD build using an AMD 7950X3D and XFX 7900XT and in real world usage and testing. It actually has been giving the RTX 4080 a good run for its money' scoring just under the 4080 in some cases to be sure, but scoring above it in most cases. and right now you can pick one up for less than the 4070 T.i Super
The 7900xt is not more powerful than the 4080 in most games, it is literally 13% less powerful at raster on average. Nevermind ray tracing, that would be a giant blowout. For it to be more powerful than the 4080, the 7900xt would need to be close to the 7900xtx, which is not
anyone reading this, if you can afford the 4070ti S GET IT!! i got the 7900xt and ended up returning it for the 4070ti S and couldn't be happier. Those 1 percent lows make a huge difference for smoothness of gameplay. I was getting stuttering and bad frame times on the 7900xt no matter what setting i tweaked. Also i'm sorry but DLSS is just superior in every way.
Were you using rt? I don't regard dlss/fsr/fg as useful tech. Why would you trade fps for visual quality, just to then trade it back, but use more electricity for it? I don't understand.
@@dungeondeezdragons4242 You do realize you can use DLSS without FG or RT, right? And DLSS Quality at 1440p+ looks extremely close to native, as opposed to FSR.
These amd fanboys forget nvidia got the dldsr + dlss tech. I can make my 1200p screen look as good as an 1800p screen with DLDSR, while losing minimal performance using DLSS.
Thank you for your hard work. It's interesting that Alan Wake 2 generally has 10-20ms higher average PC latency at the same framerate compared to other games.
I see FG usually introduces 15-20ms extra latency even at 60fps. Like from 30-35 to 50 or from 50 to 70. That feels a bit too much but I still have yet to try FG on my older gen RTX. I strictly play with a kb+mouse (unless it's one of those fighting/sports genres) so I am probably more sensitive to latency but hoping it is more usable than not, because 4070Ti Super seems like not a very good idea for 4K gaming. Not that FG would change that though.
DLSS is the selling point for me unfortunately, I've tested it against FSR many times and there's a decent enough difference... I've been gaming on a 55 inch TV since 2018 and if it wasn't for DLSS I would've had some terrible blurry experiences by now with my 2070... So at least here it makes sense to get a GPU that has 16gb VRAM seeing that I take a long time to upgrade and it feels futureproof when comparing to 12GB (Nvidia might even release the 5070 with 12gb lol we never know).
Why do you think CS2 and apex or other Multiplayer FPS games doesnt support dlss? the reason why you buy this card is the rt power not dlss. Both cards for qhd and strong enough, check avatar avg 72 fps native. btw and yearh we see here in 2024 the first titel with qhd and over 12gig(native) !! ;D I think the 5060 gets only 12 gig for the 1080p players LOL. i hope more for 1440/4k standart as for new cards ..... *edit another reason is, DLSS and FSR is software and can be better each time! so amd "can" bring tomorrow the same as dlss. Sure it doesn't happen but it can
I'm building a new pc after many years. Building my last pc on the launch day of the 1070ti. I will be purchasing a new GPU within the next 30 days or so. After watching every benchmark and reviewing every specification side by side, my thinking is exactly the same as yours. The 4070 super is my most likely purchase as of right now because I don't plan on doing 4k at all and with all of the value propositions not being particularly good, the lowest upfront cost for performance that I'll likely need or want to upgrade from anyway is what I'm leaning towards. The 4070ti super is really at the absolute upper limit of what I'm willing to spend and I just don't see it being THAT much better than the alternatives. I very nearly pulled the trigger on the XFX merc 7900xt at 710 just a day ago, but I really had to think about it given the way memory bus widths tend to age, never mind the VRAM. In the event the 7900xt was at $650, it would be the clear winner in this price bracket and I would buy one. At even $710, I'm just not convinced that it's sufficiently beating the 4070 super for my purposes and doesn't come close enough to be considered next to the 4070ti super all things considered. To summarize: my price bracket is $600-$800 at maximum, I will be buying a GPU very shortly, and my current ranking given all of the information that I have with current prices at my resolution of 1080p or 1440p is 4070 super > 7900xt > 4070ti super. With a $650 7900xt, my order would change to 7900xt>4070super>4070ti super and it wouldn't be close. The 7900xt is a clear winner in that scenario. If pricing doesn't change in any direction, I may move down to a 7800xt or 4070 non super assuming they drop to make upgrading later less painful and less aggravating.
I have 1070. Bought it to play Cyberpunk on launch and it serves me well. I'm currently looking at something like 7800 XT or used 7900 XT if I could find a good offer. I don't play that many games now so I don't really need a better GPU that much if I'm being honest but the urge to have better components is too great. Also, I'm glad I have a B350 motherboard because I upgraded from Ryzen 1600 to 5700x. It's really shocking that after so many years AM4 is still a decent choice for gaming. I'm glad I can only upgrade my GPU and not the whole system.
Curious to know what you went with. I was also between a 4070 super and 7900xt and went with the 7900xt just because I worry about the performance of 12gb of vram at 1440p ultrawide a few years from now
I play path tracing on my 7900xt without any issue at all lol. I use the FG mod, and wow look at that, just like you with FG i can use it too. I play at 1440p balanced with FG on path tracing. and it plays perfectly. It's ok to be upset. I'll allow it.
@@ishiddddd4783 I have this 470 TI super as well. Honestly games run a lot smoother on AMD funny enough. You can see that in the comparison videos with the frame time charts. Nvidia just recently try to fix the stuttering in micro stuttering and dips on the 40 series cards. They are still present sometimes. If I want to play cyberpunk yes I'll use my 470 TI super. I don't use path tracing because it looks unrealistic and just goofy. I just turn on Ray tracing world lighting medium with reflections. That gives the most realistic look.
It's still way too early to enjoy RT/path tracing properly, so always going for the cheap but better amd. Who knows, they may surprise us in the future with some new tech that helps run path tracing with high fps
Reviewers are always bashing the Unreal Engine 5 for questionable performance but then we also have games like The Finals or Palworld, that no reviewer even looks at because they run so well. I wish reviewers would focus more on the games people are actually playing, than picking the hardest to run games to make it seem like you need super high end GPUs to play PC games in 2024.
Palworld is a fairly graphically simple game, and yet the recommended GPU for it is RTX 2070. I don't see how that would be the example of UE5 running well.
@@HunterTracks yet it has much more players than RoboCop, Lords of the Fallen and Immortals of Aveum combined. The majority of gamers does not care about the most graphically intensive games. In my opinion hardware reviewers are out of touch with the reality of PC gaming.
In Germany the 4070 Ti Super is 950 ish Euro, the 7900 XT is 720 ish euro, 230 Euro difference and people still buy the 4070 Ti Super, they rather overpay than buy AMD but still complain their GPU is so expansive.
After the performance not being as good as I’d hoped on the 4070ti super and the 4080 super getting a $200 price cut over the original I’m very interested for next weeks benchmarks on the 4080 super as I might just save a little longer for useable 4k in single player games.
the super will probably be around 3-5% better at best, wouldn't get your hopes up. its still over priced and still not capable of true 4k like the 4090. what they should have done is do AD102 and cut down so its intbween the 4080 and 4090 but more on the 4090 side. that actually would have made sense at $1,000.
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime if I can get 4k w/rt at 60fps without DLSS on single player titles that’s good enough for me. I will competitively play COD etc @1440p for higher FPS. $800 is all I really wanted to spend on a GPU this year but if the 4080 super can accomplish those specs I could spend more but $1600 msrp and the fact you can’t really find them under 2k a 4090 is never going to happen with my budget. But if not a 4070ti super is probably what I will go with for high FPS 1440p.
@@PCgamingbenchmarktimewhy would they sell ad102 dies cut down in a 4080 when they can sell them for way more in a 4090 or for $30k in an H100? I agree this would have been nice for gamers, but nvidia has so much profit incentive to keep those ad102 dies for their top cards
@dylanjastle I know why they didn't do it. But that's what they should have done if they wanted to actually sell a decent amount of cards and not damage their brand even further. At this point all AMD has to do is do A.I upscaling that's on par or better than dlss (main factor for me not buying) catch up a lot more in ray tracing and be more aggressive with prices and they'll be able to steal a lot of nvidias marketshare. Will they do this though? Probably not but they could if they weren't complacent with getting nvidias scraps
At my local MicroCenter the RX 7900 XT seems to go on sale about once a month during a period of about 3 days. It has several times over the past few months dropped on sale for $659.99. At that price the comparison makes the AMD card a massive winner. I mean, AMD has been doing a lot of winning lately, though I would point out that Nvidia basically makes it very, very, very easy to be victorious against. Crazy that only about 3 years ago did I never consider buying an AMD GPU for gaming, it was always Nvidia green, now that has completely flipped and all I see is RED.
I just put the 4070Ti Super into my Newegg cart and about to purchase. My reasoning is look at that wattage. It's insane on the AMD card. I think the AMD card will age better as the previous gens have compared to NGREEDIA, but the games I currently play with the RT or PT performance is better compared to AMD plus that efficiency has me sold and I don't think AMD's next gen is going to be what I want in PT or RT or even in efficiency. I could be wrong, but I think the 4070TiS with the 16gb VRAM is where I'm ok with being for the foreseeable future. Excellent review! Very thorough and helped me decide what I want to do.
this was supposed to be the "knock out blow" for the 7900xt yet ended up with equal performance and a higher price tag. Amd is laughing all the way to the bank as they dont even need to lower the 7900xt price below current street prices.
Completely psyched to get the XFX Merc310 7900XT tomorrow. Picked it up from Newegg for $710 yesterday because I knew the non-RT performance would be there in the games I play. I don’t hate Nvidia like others do. I’m not a crazy fanboy either. Have owned AMD in the past and am excited to go back for the next few years.
I've always been pretty neutral towards both companies but right now i'm finding it harder and harder to not dislike Nvidia. The pricing is what it is, but there's simply no reason to not put more vram on their higher end gpus than the fact that they want them to be obsolete in the shortest amount of time possible without affecting current benchmark scores.
Im not a fanboy. Im just poor and every buy used gpu. My last gpu was: 6800xt founders amd, 3080 gaming oc gigabyte. And both terrible gpus. Trottling, heating, noise...it was verry bad. I sell and buy 3070 ofcourse used, and im verry happy. Undervoltage peak temps stress 56 celcius, fan rpm max 1100. Its crazy good. Peak power consumption under 160watts. Great efficient gpu, but 6800 (non xt) its better efficient probably but i dont know it is it true. Sorry for my english
I own both 6800XT/3080Ti/7900XTX and 4090 and all these different products have a place in the market for somebody. As long as you buy what it is you need based of your means that's kind of the point and to enjoy it. So many fanboy types fight in these comments sections embarrassing themselves essentially trying to delegitimize anyone else that isn't as emotionally invested as them that it completely misses the point. We have many options to game, you can spend $300 bucks on a console or go as high as a 4090 beast rig and guess what, they all play the same game at the end of the day right?
@@TerraWare I agree, in any case everyone does what they want with their own money, the important thing is to make a choice coherent with personal needs without being fooled by the mermaid. Anyway I recognized your nickname, you make great videos!
i just got a new pc and went for the 7900 xt, had team green for my last 2 pc but just wanted something different. cant wait, its coming monday then time to build
The problem with this card is that it should have come out 1 year ago, now...too little too late. At this price point I'd rather invest my money in the next generation of cards due out in about 1 yr from now
exactly. i fail to see anything interesting with these cards. doing what they should have done in the first place for the same prices that are over priced is hardly exciting lol.each card needs to be at minimum $100 less, but even then....its too little too late. if im going to be ripped off with an 80 series card that should be at most $800 i'll wait for next gen for a much bigger leap in performance
i have a 3080 10gb card. so i wasn't going to pay 72% more than i paid for my card at launch for 50% performance. the 2080 to 3080 had a similar uplift with 0% increase in price. even the 4080 super at $1000 is still a 42% increase in price. no thanks lol if im going to a 42% in price for an 80 series card it will have to be close to 100% uplift in performance @@mosesdavid5536
Doing the same thing. I am on 1080ti right now. Had 2 PG xtx and both eventually got high temp issues. In the end I got like 4 months of gaming on them and got my money back so I am happy to wait another for some ridicilous upgrade.
The RTX 4070 Ti Super is actually a decent option in my country (Norway), considering it's $100 cheaper than the RX 7900 XT. Combined with DLSS i would honestly get the 4070 over the 7900 🤷🏻♂️
i just looked at prisjakt and its literally the opposite? The rx is about 120$ cheaper than the 4070 ti super. What website did you find that price at?
In Czechia the current price is: 4070ti super - around 970$ and 7900xt - around 940$ ... so the choice is clear considering how much better nvidia cards are with RT turned on
Here in Germany the current prices of 4070 ti supers are around the 900€ mark and the 7900xt is around 770-780€ Good that Nvidia is now starting to be more competetive here in Germany since the prices before were just hilarious to say the least. I am really looking forward to what 2024 in terms of gpus and prices will have to offer. I am currently still liking my 6800xt but if some big stuff is happening I might think about upgrading. Also amazing videos my guy, keep it up!
Really here in Greece the cheapest 7900xt you can get in the moment is 670 euros lol while the ti super that now launched goes for around 900+ euros 😂😂😂. Like YEAH. Even if you care about ray tracing amd is the way to go
here only 1 shop have 4070 ti super and its 1083 euro while 870 euro is 7900xt, it can be found for cheaper from online only shops from local version of ebay/ amazon
Was hoping for nvidia to be more competitive and was expecting the TI Super to have way more performance than it ended up having, but cant justify paying 200€ more for the TI super over the 7900xt.
In France, the cheapest 7900 XT is 850€ and cheapest 4070 Ti are 940€, but both of them extends to 1050€ on top-end models. You could actually get a 7900 GRE for 800€, but with the 4070 Super at 660€ it could be quite hard for AMD to have better pricing, and it looks like french retailers are biased towards Nvidia as AMD's price drops almost never make it to here (lots of 7900 XTX are still at 1150-1200€ and there was a small batch of RTX 4080 last week going for as low as 1200€).
i was looking for a 1440p gpu and i was excited by the news that amd would have ai upscaling soon. turns out that leak was about the ps5 pro and not for the 7000 radeon series. i really don't care that much about rt, fg and all that but dlss upscaling makes a big difference, especially on lower resolutions and even more so if you consider that devs now are making games with upscaling in mind. if i want a card that does ai upscaling which won't be irrelevant in 1 year, instead of getting a 7800xt or 7900gre at a normal(ish) price, i'm forced to go for a hella expensive 4070 ti super. i think both amd and nvidia are so bad right now, the state of gpus really is just sad :(
i mean, it's a give or take, you won't notice the difference in 99% of games since the lead usually is below 10%, you will if you decide to use anything with heavy rt
@@ishiddddd4783Sure, but why would you use anything with heavy RT? It's not like it doesn't cut 50% of performance from 4070 Ti Super, it just cuts 75% of 7900 XT.
@@HunterTracks I always use RT when available, not going max path tracing as only the 4090 can do it to some extent but as far as i can. It's a feature that works far better on nvidia cards and the performance difference is far bigger between the cards using RT than not using it. Until that changes i'm not getting amd.
@@SunedosaI just don't see the appeal, I guess, outside of RT reflections. It looks neat, sure, but it doesn't look different enough to justify the steep drop in performance.
I use two computers for work that uses a 4070 Ti and the other one for gaming that uses a 7900 XT, basically the main reason why I would build two computers instead of one because I want one computer to focus on the workload while the other one can simply use for playing games.
As of July 2024 the 7900xt has a good amount of models going for $699 which honestly I’d prefer over the 4070ti super which the lowest I’ve seen it for is $779. If you really need those nvidia features than go for the 4070ti super then but I just don’t think it’s worth spending more for a slight worse raster performance and have part of the larger price tag go to the software side of it. Nvidias 40s has been overpriced since they’re advertising dlss and ray tracing a lot and it’s again a imo a bad move
Funnily enough, the 7900 XT in Australia at retailers where they stock them are priced around the same as the newly released 4070 Super card (depending on the brand/model you're getting) and I don't expect the 4070 Ti Super to be around that. So with the results being as only as meh as we've seen with the reviews (regardless of the weird BIOS issue with the MSI card), it will be a hard sell who want the better performance in terms of rasterization. That said though, I'm someone who still uses at 1080ti in their rig and it's close to dying out (I replaced my motherboard and CPU a few months ago since the old motherboard died), so I feel that anything I get within this generation or beyond (or even before) will be an upgrade. And like you've said, Daniel. I'm more interested in single-player experiences and what Nvidia's offering (despite the gross pricing) is the feature set with Ray tracing capabilities and DLSS, along with the lower power consumption. So part of me feels that I would be more than glad to own a 4070ti Super, even if it's not a huge uplift from the OG model and not as fast in terms of rasterization when compared to AMD's offerings. Unless I can get a 4080 at a decent price but I may need to upgrade my PSU for that, which I don't want to do since I got a non-modular one without realising it (when I was having PC problems that I thought was the PSU when it turned out to be the motherboard as I mentioned). That said, great work as always, Daniel!
i hv v650 semi modular 80 plus gold psu of cooler master since 2015 . my max gpu support is 4070 ti super . although it can run 4080s too but unfortunately my psu has only two pcie connectors. all the 4080s cum wd 12hpwr to 3 pin pcie dongle. im upgrading from 3070 FE
If i had 100fps or 80 in SP shooter i would never ruin native resolution with upscaling, esc in 1440p. With these GPUs its needed mostly at 4k and there quality works fine even with FSR. MP fast games are another story but there i dont notice flaws bcs they are to fast. Upsacling with these class of GPU its not that much important in my opinion. Remnant 2 was one of the best games from last year and its not in testing any more.
End of october prices in Slovakia - ASUS TUF 7900 GRE - 680€ XFX RX 7900 XT - 750€ MSI 4070 Super - 670€ GIGABYTE 4070 Ti Super - 880€ I will most likely go with 7900 XT cause I am mostly interested in raw 4K rasterized gaming performace for the price. 20 gigs and larger bus are more attractive for me.
Honestly there are only a handful of games that even use path tracing as of yet. In more normal/mixed RT workloads the 7900XT is fine. I would pocket the $100 and just enjoy getting great performance.
For today sure, but as RT gets more efficient the 4070 Ti S will be the better 1440p card in the future... unless pure rasterization performance is all that matters to the buyer.
@@Dexion845these 4070s won't be playing shit at max settings 1440p in a year. Rt or not Nvidia crippling their own cards is gonna be the 3070 all over again
Great work. I think you may skip 1080p for most of the games but competitive shooters. It will save you a lot of time. Those GPUs are used with higher res anyway.
On hardware unboxed 2023 revisit of 6800 XT vs 3080 the AMD card is still considerably slower than the 3080 at both 1440p and 4K, not sure what results you looked at to claim what you did there.
The 30 vs 6000 series went like 3090ti vs 6950xt 3090/3080ti vs 6900xt 3080 vs 6800xt 3070ti vs 6800 3070 vs 6750xt 3060ti vs 6700xt 3060 vs 6600xt/6650xt 3050 vs 6600 Then the 6500xt and 6400 were sorta vs the older gtx 1630 Obviously the xx50 cards came later, but they slotted into gaps in the line up that existed.
nice. I plan to upgrade my 3060 to a 4070 Ti or (if i can get a deal on it) 4070TiSuper, and these results kind of confirmed that plan for me. I play in 1440p and generally care little for raytracing stuff, but do prefer DLSS over FSR, so i will stick to NVIDIA for that reason alone..
4:50 Hi! You have obviously not used the latest preview drivers which improve the performance of the RX7900XT by around 30% in rasterization and raytracing with the game Allan Wake 2.
Nice video :) My problem is only around 900€ for max settings or raytracing on just qhd is bad I guess and around 50-60 fps on 4k is not enough for future games I guess.So its maybe better to go with a 7900xtx or a 4080 super for me.
To me RT is too important to ignore. New game engine will utilize RT/Pathtracing and there is no escaping that. Buy a card that can’t handle it now and you will regret it in less than a year. If you can’t afford a card that can handle it at the resolution you play on - don’t buy wait.
@@lifemocker85 4080/super can as well with DLSS. RT is nice in slower paced games so 60fps is sufficient IMO. Faster pace games like shooters don’t need great visuals and definitely don’t need RT
@@lifemocker85 it is a thing if new game engines use it and it’s not optional. Whether your card can do it or not is totally separate issue - it is there, makes hell of a difference so if you want it you either get at least 4080 or wait for 50xx series that hopefully will bring the same performance in a lower tier
Just grabbed a 6 month old XFX Merc Black 7900xt for $760 CAD ($550 USD). Absolutely no brainer at that price for 4080 performance (paired with my 7800x3D for SAM advantage))
I mean it can do light rt like the 4070 super most of the time. Either way it's probably better than what my old 2080 super could do so I don't really care about it. I also don't find RT worth the massive performance hit anyways, i'll take the extra rasterization fps any day.
I'm trying to decide between a 4070ti and 7900xt. at first I was leaning to the 7900xt but now the 4070ti ( depending what pricing does. I play mostly single player games and I wish I could find a video benchmarking ark survival ascended. from what I found amd is horrible in that game. fsr3 just cannot compete with dlss3 and frame gen. Plus I feel a gpu should atleast match the vram of current consoles. my 3070ti aged poorly. I wish I would of bought a 3080 but prices were insane during the crypto boom.
To me the biggest problem is FSR quality vs DLSS. I'm very sensitive to any shimmering and in most games FSR looks really bad. I'm currently still using 2080ti and was really thinking about switching to 7800XT but again that upscaling! I don't even care about heavy RT performance that much.
@@KrisDee1981 not heavy games , me personally I don’t care to much about ray tracing , so far my 6800xt has been moving mountains so I’m good with it , maybe another generation and we will see what happens with that .
Keep up the good work. How you find the time to do all this testing and be a teacher and be a parent is amazing. Just one nitpick: around 33:00 you talk about 4k gaming and path tracing but you're missing that 4k gamers can easily drop to 1080p.
Having moved to AMD just before Christmas / AMD software and drivers are vastly better imho. I was with Nvidia for ten years putting up with GeForce experience trash. AMD adrenaline has far very options built in.
First time I've ever heard someone say AMD has better drivers lmao. Also geforce experience is fine. Just say u like amd don't start lying to prove it to yourself lmao
@TyTan_ you're operating on old data and cannot accept that amd has made big improvement to its drivers and software. Just admit you like green dong...see people can just say random shit
There is no vram advantage 16 vs 20. You won’t use that at all. In productivity RTX is faster in majority of tasks. Price and RT performance is the only differentiator between them apart from that
I just built a new computer and dont love any of the options so Ill stick with my 3070 ti until next gen and bite the bullet then. I think Ill get what I want next gen, Ill fall short this gen no matter what card I choose unless its the 4090, and im just not paying that price. Before I made this decision, I was going to buy the 4070 ti super, I liked the features at the price range over AMD.for similar price. I'm not letting 100ish dollars at this price range make my choice for me.
I just bought a 7090xt along with a 1440p 165hz today. Coming from 1080p at 75hz a GTX 1070. She will be missed, I built the base over a decade ago and she never let me down
I went from 1080TI to 7900xt, still using my old 1440p/165hz monitor. It's a really neat upgrade, insanely higher fps. Since you're coming from a 1070, you're gonna feel like you're in nirvana. I was so happy with my upgrade, it's the first time I ever saw 200+ fps in any game ever lmao.
Good video, i get a strong feeling performance/prise wise, both are to expensive i mean ALL videcards. Currently i use a 3070, and wise to wait for the 50x0 series befor i start thinking about upgrading. Thumbs up Daniel, your benchmark video’s are one of the best.
its impossible to have no interest in RT cause when you look at avatar and alan wake 2 thats where the future lies, you cant even deactivate it anymore and dlss is awalys on mode
Good video! Im thinking to buy a new gpu but im still deciding which one to buy....in Spain, u can buy the rx 7900 for 780€ and the cheapest one rtx 4070 ti super for 875€. Would u pay it more for the 4070 ti super?
That's the point of the video mate, watch it. The 7900XT stock is usually much better unless the game is using RT. If you OC/Undervolt the 7900XT it'll even better at rasterization and will get remotely close from the 4070TI SUPER RT performances. It's a crazy deal.
@@MisterKrakenswrong, I also overclock my 4070 ti super to the max and then i have the same performance gain as you. Amds current cards physically cant compete in rt with nvidias because they dont have the dedicated rt cores. On raster you can say me anything, but the difference of 5> fps isnt even close to being noticeable.
The question and the answer are very simple. If you care about Ray Tracing and Path Tracing, pick RTX. If you want brute performance and more VRAM for some reason, pick RX.
i knew the 4070ti super was going to be noticeably slower than the 4080. i dont know why it was being overhyped with people saying it was almost as fast as the 4080. the chip is pretty gimped, it was obvious i was going to be slower then that. but it turned out slightly worse than i expected. it doesnt really make any sense, why not go the 4070 super and just overclock it to around the same levels of performance for $200 less. this card is a dud at $800. If AMD were smart they bring the XT down to $649.....which is what the 6800xt was at launch and honestly....the 7900 XT should have been called a 7800 XT in the first place. both companies have done a poor jon this gen. both playing around with the naming to overcharge. its pretty sad honestly, this gen is a complete skip. too little too late, only price drops would have made any of these cards interesting an that didnt happen
I agree. I bought the 7900xt because I skipped two gens already and needed a replacement for my 1080 TI (also upgraded my 9900k for the same reasons). I don't really think I feel like I'm getting a high-end or enthusiast experience (the 9-numered labels in CPUs/GPUs have historically only been used in enthusiast hardware up until now + I spent enthusiast-grade money on it too), just a good upper-midrange one, so I absolutely agree with the 7800xt name. Arguably, you could even call it a 7800 with the 7900XTX beeing the proper 7800XT if you compare the generational leap, and also the fact that AMD has no 4080 TI, sorry I meant 4090 competitor this year. I take that back, I'm not sorry for calling the 4090 an 4080 TI because that's what it is, and what it should be called. The 7900xt (really a 7800/7800XT) is still a good gpu when it comes down to playing, but I got the 1080 TI cheaper back in the day and was completely blown away by its performance. To get a similar feeling, you need to spend 2 grand on the 4080 TI (what nVidia calls the 4090), and that's hardly a good deal. Titans were far cheaper than that when they were still around, and had some pro features unlocked that the x80 TI cards including the 4090 simply don't. I hope we can go back to the x80 TI being the flagship card and where a 9 in AMD GPUs actually means it's the top of the line competing with the x80TI. The 2080 TI was already super overpriced, but the 3090/3090 TI and now 4090 quadroupled down on that and nVidia's only reasoning is "bigger number better".
It's because 99% of PC gamers are absolutely clueless about tech. Anyone with some knowledge about hardware knew it'd be half way between 70 Ti and vanilla 80.
I'm not in the market, at this moment for a new GPU, but I do appreciate watching your reviews. My only question is, do you get tired of talking about how much better DLSS is with the barely noticeable shimmering in the fences in the background on some obscure battlefield? Honestly, could just be a footnote in the summary. I personally get tired of hearing in every single comparison. If everything is the same cost, then sure DLSS is nice, but it just doesn't seem to be a big deal for the average player. Thanks for all the good content!
This dude is spot on. Been arguing with people all day how it's not just about pure rasterization at this tier. The 7900 XT needs to be at $700 or less to be truly competitive.
I'm surprised no one is talking about how many bandages we need just to run ray tracing insted of just having it native like we need like 2 to 3 different Ais to kick in for games with RT to be playable on cards 800$ and above. It doesn't feel like we are getting more raw power just graphics cards with better software optimizations
To be honest the only relevant review on YT as of today. Thanks Daniel for elaborating it from a customer's PoV with different scenarios rather than academic 15FPS vs 25FPS and 500FPS vs 600FPS benchmarks. Only reviewer who pointed out what I was wondering about what the card can do.
So I decided to sold my 6900 XT and trying Nvidia GPU for once so i went with 4070 ti super and wow DLSS are just Way better than FSR atm. tried CP2077 with ultra and PT On, I average 57FPS at 1440p without Frame-gen and it's totally playable. it's worth it.
I think Nvidia should concentrate mostly on improving the ray/path tracing tech in RTX 5000 series, increasing the next gen RT core counts to the point the frame rates don't drop much when Ray/parth tracing is turned on. They should just use whatever extra die space they get with the node shrink for the next gen improved RT cores, since their rasterized performance is already good.
Nvidia is cheap AF and will do nothing that you have mentioned. They're gonna take your idea out back and shoot it because it won't bring them higher profit margins. Expect the bare minimum from Nvidia, always.
@@mnazas2299 What I was about to say is, if they could make RT effects work without impacting their regular non-RT performance, then that itself should be enough for next gen, in my opinion. Because that would make RT more mainstream and almost a necessity that everyone would want than it currently is. Which in turn would help take overall gaming industry to the next level.
The fact I’m about to buy a 7900xt for $650 ($275 out of pocket thank you Best Buy trade ins!) and the closet 4070 super ti is the same cost as a xtx around $860 is insane. I really want a xtx but the price to performance just isnt enough to justify the added cost
I think, as always, it largely depends on what you’re looking for. Neither card can reliably handle path tracing or heavy RT workloads, or native 4K consistently across titles, and they’re both 700(!) dollars or more. So, you’re looking at either playing at native 1440p (for 700-800 bucks), or you’re going to be using upscaling to hit 4K, and at that point FSR just isn’t good enough to pay 700 dollars and deal with so much image loss, on top of overall inferior RTX performance. Yeah, it still leads in raster, but are you telling me the person willing to buy a 700-800 dollar card is going purely raster? You might as well go for a much cheaper card then. We’re talking about GPUs that the average person would consider the lower end of indulgent tier, considering the most popular GPUs are still the 3060. On top of that, the 20GB of VRAM on the XT isn’t moving mountains, and everyone expected 2023 games to REQUIRE at minimum 16GB of VRAM. Well, that ship sailed, and so far the UE5 games are not the boogeyman everyone made them out to be, so… Sure, one day. In the future, at some point, hardware all becomes obsolete, and eventually more VRAM will help somewhat, but it won’t magically make the 7900XT crush future titles in 4K native, and you’re going to have to deal with that shimmering and image loss upscaling solution, and we know how people feel about Frame Gen. “Future proofing” in the world of hardware isn’t a thing. Of course, 800 bucks isn’t cheap either, and I’d argue that paying that much money for a 1440p card is kind of insane , and probably feeding in to these outrageous prices. I wouldn’t recommend either GPU to any friends of mine, because they’re kind of bad value. I will say that it’s odd to still see people laugh off RTX still, as it’s made quite the impact in some truly big games (path tracing in Cyberpunk and Alan wake 2 is a sight to behold) so yeah it’s pretty relevant, and will continue to be so as consoles incorporate it into their titles more and more.
I wish I could give you as many likes as possible or perhaps pin your comment to the top. Cause so far you're one of the very few people here giving a very well headed insights of what the situation we have here presents. Regardless of whatever decision one takes here, there's still no absolute future proof solution. It all depends on what presently drives your interest that's it
@@krys0ll218 Right?! Future proof definitely isn't a thing. That would be a terrible business model. Sometimes I think people forget about the relationships between game developers and the GPU industry. It reminds me of the "will it play Crysis?" meme. I never purchase a GPU expecting that it's going to play the next generation of bleeding edge games; that's just not how it works. In my mind I always know whatever I purchase today will be replaced by the next shiny thing with x% performance uplift within the next 12 months, and it'll choke on the next generation of "AAA" games. Chasing the bleeding edge is an expensive and largely pointless endeavor, unless someone just has money to burn-- and that's coming from someone who owns a 4080 (granted, I didn't pay over MSRP for it, got it on sale for under). To be completely honest, I don't even consider the 4080 a true 4K card. Can it do it in a pinch with DLSS and FG? Sure, but certainly not native resolution- at least not very well. It will be years before I consider another GPU upgrade regardless. I'll stick to 1440p and reduce settings as needed, and I'm sure, just like every other GPU I've owned over the last 30 years, it's only a matter of time before it won't keep up, even at 1440p. Whether or not a 4090 can do it I don't personally know, beyond looking at someone's benchmarks. That being said, the only time it would've ever made sense to buy at the 4090 tier (if it ever did at all- and that's debatable) would've been at release. Certainly not well over a year into the series.
@@_shaggyrogers_ I had a 1080 TI for 7 years before upgrading. GPUs are absolutely future proof if they are good enough. You can still play games with a 2080 TI, you will still be able to play games with a 3090TI 2 years from now, and many steam users are still on Pascal, even lower end models such as the 1650. People who think gaming =4k/Ultra are a delusional minority with no empathy for the majority of gamers and frankly people who overspend on hardware and justify their purchase with their elitism. You don't need to spend a grand every 2 years on GPUs alone just to game. If your logic was remotely realistic, consoles wouldn't even exist, they would be obsolete within 2 years. A good gpu can easily last you 2 gpu gens without any trouble.
The XFX Merc310 7900XT has been amazing for the few days I’ve had it. Grabbed it off Newegg for $709 last week and it is killing 1440p for me. Had an Nvidia 1070Ti and then a 3070Ti but was excited to return to AMD. Not disappointed early on at all. The last time I had AMD the 480 was the best they had! How far they have come since then.
If you dont use raytracing and upscaling, AMD is ok. But as soon as u use any of that, its just fails. Raytracing is almost 1/2 of nVidia and FSR look worse than DLSS. This considered, AMD should really step down on the pricing. Because RT is here to stay and it looks really nice, so why would u use a card, which cant deliver on that. Same with DLSS, it can even make a better image than native, so why would u use FSR which produces inferior image? Its sad AMD seems to be unable to catch on any of this new tech, yet they keep the prices comparable to the nVidia cards.
tbh 80 bucks more for dlss, rt, CUDA, the capacity to train AI models, reflex, nvidia broadcast, nvenc, lower power consumption, better drivers, and a more user friendly experience is hell of a deal
Amd undervolts well so not really difference in power, drivers and "user friendliness" are the same. Ngreedia is not worth extra except if you use some spesific programs
@@lifemocker85 nah, those 80bucks are definetly worth it, amd's main lead is adrenaline's UI, and even that nvidia is also releasing an improved version of geforce experience so it no longer has the win xp interface. AMD doesn't respond to undervolting, RDNA3 gpus' respond to power limits, and even with those in place, you need to pull the slider to -15 to match the 4070ti super stock efficiency, under the same loads, the nvidia card is always going to be more efficient. The toolset is just the small thing that sells it off, AMD needs to sell cheaper because at the same price point they always lose.
@@ishiddddd4783 so basicly what youre saying you dont have any experience with AMD. Good job. Like I said AMD undervolts well since they tend to overvolt their hardware. 4070TiS are not efficient at all.
Having had both the 7900 xt, and now the 4070 ti super. I've noticed a few things. On average, the 7900 xt seems to have a smoother Frametime graph in most titles. And I do notice it. Also, for the Nvidia side, the 4070 ti supers performance stays rather consistent through a large variety of games. For example the 7900 xt tends to do well with recent titles, or AMD favored ones reviewers keep rehashing (Forza, valhalla, call of duty, far cry ect) BUT, I play allot of older games as well, and mmos. And that performance gain drops off PRETTY BADLY in titles that aren't more current, or AMD loved. In gta, world of warcraft, Boto byteland, assassins creed origins, hat in time, and many more the 4070 ti super was on average 20-30fps higher!! This is something that people who review these cards aren't really diving into. they focus on popular, or current titles which I understand why. But even so, it would be really cool to see someone download just a large variety of games from steam from really old, to old, to current and see then how they both stack up. Games more importantly that people who review cards don't show, don't include any that are usually used. In fact the most played titles aren't even shown on reviews, just graphically demanding ones that are current, or old ones stuck in time. While the 7900 xt IMO offers a smoother experience overall in current titles, it does fall behind by quite allot if you play anything different.
Again with RT bias 🤣🤣 dude all nvidias gpus are trash on rt except 4090. Who plays at 40-50 fps with a little reflection difference where you could go 120.
I really wish upscaler quality wasn't a selling point at this price bracket anymore. Like, we're entering 4K territory here, why would you even want to upscale if you can avoid it? So you can blow more performance on RT?
@@HunterTracks 4K is where you start upscaling because it doesn't produce artifacts like lower resolutions, it's free performance even on aggressive settings. Used and tried them all for years.
Regarding the GPU usage % not showing on the 7900 XT- for some reason when I started this round of testing, I could just not get it to display using my usual overlay. I did multiple DDU runs, driver reinstalls, installing older drivers and then upgrading, reinstalling afterburner/rtss, etc. In the end, it wasn't the crucial part of the video, so I just went ahead and ran the benchmarks without a few of the stats showing. I have no idea why it wouldn't work this time, since it usually shows up with no issue. And unfortunately this is the case for all the AMD GPUs I just finished testing in this set of games. The rest of the stats still show on the UE5 games since it was working when I tested that set of games a couple weeks ago.
Also note a mall error: In the very last test (Immortals of Aveum 4K Ultra, DLSS/FSR Q, FG on/off) I typed 50 for the 1% low result on the 7900 XT instead of 56. The overall 106% result was correct.
Do these tests have Sam enabled ?
@@potatoskins8155 yes
How did you get a RTX 4070 Ti Super before it came out?
@@ILordSpawnI AMD and Nvidia send me review samples for most of the GPU launches, starting about a year ago.
oh no as a nvidia user i dread my stats not showing when i spent so much time to make them the way i want from settings to font to everything. this alone makes me not want an amd card
Amazing work, you are relentless. Love your opinions while you give benchmarks. Best in the game at the moment.
Glad you like them!
In Denmark 7900XT 859 usd and 4070 Ti Super 1005 usd. Our prices will always be higher due to taxes. The 7900XT seems like the better choice to me.
how are energy prices where you live dawg? You can undervolt your 7900xt if that is ever a concern
US prices don't include VAT, if you take away the 25% VAT from the 5900kr of the cheapest model it's 4720kr before tax, which is equal to $687 usd
@@deneguil-1618still doesn't justify the $150 ish difference in price with the 7900xt
@@RXC13 it does. The truth is - this is the class of the cards you won't use without ray tracing techniques if they're available, and ray tracing is a lot faster on NVIDIA. DLSS tech, fast AI cores and a lot of other technologies are a huge bonus. In fact I would just buy 4070 Super instead of 4070 Ti Super if it was the matter of 150$ price difference for me, because AMD is so much worse in practice.
AMD was a solid choice until the RTX era. Also RX 6000 series was quite decent. But now it's just not worth the savings. RTX 4000 is so much technologically ahead it's ridiculous.
In India we are buying 4070ti $1030 🥲🥲 22% more tax on mrsp
Damn, in Romania, 4080 is 900 euro, and 7900xtx is 1200 euro. Guess what i am buying?
Nothing, i am broke.
I feel you bro
I understand u homie
😭😭
Just steal them
@Mark72969 it's easier to steal the money than the card. Anyway, I saved up the money and got a break with a promotion, so i bought a 4080. The only problem now is building my pc. Because of my promotion, i don't have time... to build it or play games.
Hey Daniel, another great topic could be:
- 4k 60 fps capable GPUs using middle-high settings and balanced or aggressive upscaling(when quality is quite all right, especially for those who play on TV and not monitor )
- 4k 60 fps capable GPUs using high-ultra settings and balanced and sometimes aggressive upscaling
In this way, we can see some surprises, when cards like rx6700xt or 4060ti can be 4k capable of course with some compromises in visual settings, but still, not the lowest settings, but quite decent, thanks a lot
In my country, the 7900xt is R16k while the 4070 TI Super is R19k ($840 vs $1000). The 7900xt is the clear winner for me then; since I game at 1440p and RT is still pretty gimmicky by all accounts. So thanks for the in depth review!
Just bought a 7900xt ultra for 660$ on amazon
@shiestystacks9014 nice one! I got the 7900xt a while back (it went on special at R15k - $800). Been a great card!
Amazon just launched here too, so hopefully we'll start getting better pricing on tech
@@shaunk6822 yea I wanna pair it with a 7800x3d but that cpu went up in a price alot it’s 476 so I just got the 7700x
I thought it would be close to the 4080, and it can't even beat the 7900xt and it costs 100 dollars more. Meh...
Steve from Gamer Nexus said the exact same thing. "MEH...?!?" :D
Yeah... That's right
However 7900xt has considerably more power draw
@@VeeHausenpeople repeat after youtubers/influencers. Deadheads 💀
Honestly we are gamers. We don’t care about power draw unless it’s Absurdly unreasonable. We want power and best bang for our dollar.
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button
Indeed, you have everything you need there, all of the driver settings, overclock, screen and video capture, game launcher, etc.
And it doesn't require an AMD account.
To do the same in nvidia you need the drivers with control panel from the xp years, geforce experience, that requires an nvidia account, and msi afterburner.
amd software much way better, the only point that i doesnt like is NO Ansel!! clips better to make. And i dont find a screenshoot button at amd side only record. its nice to have alt+f1 for screens.
and now AMD Fluid Motion Frames 👏👏👏👏
honestly the progress that AMD made in the past few years to try to close the gap with Nvidia is praise worthy. People forget how far behind AMD were in terms of drivers, let alone Hardware, software or feature (Cuda cores, RT cores, Adrenaline, FSR .....). Yet the past 2 generations AMD have truly offered a good alternative that could not always compete head on but had enough arguments and price difference to justify a satisfied purchase. In the past 2.5 years i never had a single problem with my AMD GPU (software or hardware), I do not hesitate to recommend some of their products. I would not have done so 5 years ago....
KNowing that Nvidia are reaching the limit of PCB size on 5nm (moving to 3 for blackwell), it shows that they have very little margin for maneuver in terms of power, performance, and price. While AMD chiplet model gives them flexibility particularly on price at the cost of a little performance for now. But you can see them improve with time, experience and R&D. Rumors are now pointing towards a dedicated chiplet on next gen GPU's for RT. If we can get a 7900xt raster equivalent with 25-30% improved RT for around 600-650$ I believe people would be really happy. According to MLiD AMD could sell 7900xt for 650 today and still make a small margin, so next gen card of this level of performance can't be sold for more....
Entry and mid level gamers would I think love next gen AMD cards
Lmao their launch driver is doo doo even rn 7000 series gpu are having driver timeout problems
Another fantastic video. Between you and Gamers Nexus, I learn everything I need about new tech. You bring the in-depth discussion of various points and what it would mean in the day-to-day along with key technical data that no one else really does (like memory utilization, frame timing comparisons, and using the newest games), while GN fills in the few gaps of technical data you don't provide (like power usage and efficiency). Between you and GN, I don't need other gaming tech news. That said, I'll be a broken record on one point: $800 for this level of performance is kind of silly. Top mid-range cards were around $500 dollars not even that long ago. The extra $200-300 is pretty rough. I think you're right that 1440p with some kind of raytracing is the battleground at this price-point. I'm still down here at 1080p, crying myself to sleep for lack of meaningful solutions.
genuinely tysm for these tests, very broad and great approach to all the new cards in record time since the release, keep this up
Picked up an ASUS TUF 7900XT yesterday, got it 120€ off from the local price. Don’t think i’ll regret it one bit :)
Good luck with the AMD drivers😅
@@tempusfugit5388 This is a myth, I've owned a 7900 XTX for a year now, not a single problem with the drivers.
@@tempusfugit5388AMD drivers are fine you fear mongering troll
why they are great@@tempusfugit5388
@@tempusfugit5388nothing wro g with the AMD drivers? You got a source on that?
Nvidia fanboys vs Amd fanboys brings me back to the golden days of Xbox 360 fanboys vs PS3 fanboys.
Good to see some things never change.
ppl love to attach their identity to brands, capitalism is hilarious in that way
I have an NVidia card myself, and the ONLY thing that Nvdia does better is DLSS. All the rest is NVidia scum.
Im no fanboy but i do want a good pc that will play star citizen well enough, im currently looking at the 7900xt and the 4070 super
@@エマニュエル4ever and the nvidia has better rt too
@@cheapbongslol you and the original comment don’t have to buy their stuff right?
I love how you always include 1080p.
Me 2, because im playing on high fps 😜
Got my 7900XT a month ago for $750 and am happy with it.
I would sell it
pfft thats alot of money for such a card, i would feel pretty bad for giving such an amount of money for a card without dlss and decent rt. a 40 would last longer.
@@groenevinger3893 tell that to 3000 series xx70 and xx80 cards how they are getting by now vs 6000 series from amd
@groenevinger3893 I gave at 1440p and don't need upscaling in any games I play. Paying for RT features in a card like a 4070ti is a sucker move, since RT is gonna give a major performance hit. 4070ti has weaker raster performance and costs more. Q¡
@@groenevinger3893 cope harder bruh, raster will be always the main point, not all people care about rt or upscaling, Many people make that as an option an not as a requirements that why most 40 series sales are flop
I just finished an all-AMD build using an AMD 7950X3D and XFX 7900XT and in real world usage and testing. It actually has been giving the RTX 4080 a good run for its money' scoring just under the 4080 in some cases to be sure, but scoring above it in most cases. and right now you can pick one up for less than the 4070 T.i Super
The 7900xt is not more powerful than the 4080 in most games, it is literally 13% less powerful at raster on average. Nevermind ray tracing, that would be a giant blowout. For it to be more powerful than the 4080, the 7900xt would need to be close to the 7900xtx, which is not
The 7950x3d is e-waste
Also the 4080 super will slap tf outta the 7900 xt and xtx
Damn, dudes setup got roasted 😂
@@n64slayerthis is true
anyone reading this, if you can afford the 4070ti S GET IT!! i got the 7900xt and ended up returning it for the 4070ti S and couldn't be happier. Those 1 percent lows make a huge difference for smoothness of gameplay. I was getting stuttering and bad frame times on the 7900xt no matter what setting i tweaked. Also i'm sorry but DLSS is just superior in every way.
Were you using rt?
I don't regard dlss/fsr/fg as useful tech. Why would you trade fps for visual quality, just to then trade it back, but use more electricity for it? I don't understand.
@@dungeondeezdragons4242 You do realize you can use DLSS without FG or RT, right? And DLSS Quality at 1440p+ looks extremely close to native, as opposed to FSR.
@@verde5738 it looks the same as native*
@@michagysin3082some may argue that at higher resolutions it may even look better than native.
These amd fanboys forget nvidia got the dldsr + dlss tech. I can make my 1200p screen look as good as an 1800p screen with DLDSR, while losing minimal performance using DLSS.
Damn man this is exactly what I am pondering, perfect timing!
In the end it became the 7900XT. Thanks for being so thorough with your benches and commentary.
@@chaosmeisters6781 How is it still working for you? Im in the same situation
I was between the 4070ti Super & the 4080 Super and all these reviews made me order the 7900XT. Thanks for these reviews!
Same!
Good choice - I went for one 4 months ago.. still very happy with my choice.
Why? Nvidia have better features.
Rip no dldsr + dlss for you
How many games support these @@DrLogic_
Great work on these tests, I don't know how you find the time! But it is greatly appreciated!
It's called views, clicks and $$$$$
Thank you for your hard work. It's interesting that Alan Wake 2 generally has 10-20ms higher average PC latency at the same framerate compared to other games.
I see FG usually introduces 15-20ms extra latency even at 60fps. Like from 30-35 to 50 or from 50 to 70. That feels a bit too much but I still have yet to try FG on my older gen RTX. I strictly play with a kb+mouse (unless it's one of those fighting/sports genres) so I am probably more sensitive to latency but hoping it is more usable than not, because 4070Ti Super seems like not a very good idea for 4K gaming. Not that FG would change that though.
Just ordered my NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super yesterday!! Can't wait to try it.
I got my PNY 4070 Ti Super for 699 brand new on a listing off Ebay. Couldn't beat it!
Sounds like a win win m8. Gratz :)
DLSS is the selling point for me unfortunately, I've tested it against FSR many times and there's a decent enough difference... I've been gaming on a 55 inch TV since 2018 and if it wasn't for DLSS I would've had some terrible blurry experiences by now with my 2070... So at least here it makes sense to get a GPU that has 16gb VRAM seeing that I take a long time to upgrade and it feels futureproof when comparing to 12GB (Nvidia might even release the 5070 with 12gb lol we never know).
exactly .that's why im upgrading from my 3 yr old 3070 FE😊 16gb is all we need
Why do you think CS2 and apex or other Multiplayer FPS games doesnt support dlss? the reason why you buy this card is the rt power not dlss. Both cards for qhd and strong enough, check avatar avg 72 fps native. btw and yearh we see here in 2024 the first titel with qhd and over 12gig(native) !! ;D I think the 5060 gets only 12 gig for the 1080p players LOL.
i hope more for 1440/4k standart as for new cards .....
*edit another reason is, DLSS and FSR is software and can be better each time! so amd "can" bring tomorrow the same as dlss. Sure it doesn't happen but it can
@@FleischYufkaDid you even read his comment
FSR4 inc
@@bumblefoot5 Good can't wait to try it on my 4070 when it arrives lol
I'm building a new pc after many years. Building my last pc on the launch day of the 1070ti. I will be purchasing a new GPU within the next 30 days or so. After watching every benchmark and reviewing every specification side by side, my thinking is exactly the same as yours. The 4070 super is my most likely purchase as of right now because I don't plan on doing 4k at all and with all of the value propositions not being particularly good, the lowest upfront cost for performance that I'll likely need or want to upgrade from anyway is what I'm leaning towards. The 4070ti super is really at the absolute upper limit of what I'm willing to spend and I just don't see it being THAT much better than the alternatives. I very nearly pulled the trigger on the XFX merc 7900xt at 710 just a day ago, but I really had to think about it given the way memory bus widths tend to age, never mind the VRAM. In the event the 7900xt was at $650, it would be the clear winner in this price bracket and I would buy one. At even $710, I'm just not convinced that it's sufficiently beating the 4070 super for my purposes and doesn't come close enough to be considered next to the 4070ti super all things considered. To summarize: my price bracket is $600-$800 at maximum, I will be buying a GPU very shortly, and my current ranking given all of the information that I have with current prices at my resolution of 1080p or 1440p is 4070 super > 7900xt > 4070ti super. With a $650 7900xt, my order would change to 7900xt>4070super>4070ti super and it wouldn't be close. The 7900xt is a clear winner in that scenario. If pricing doesn't change in any direction, I may move down to a 7800xt or 4070 non super assuming they drop to make upgrading later less painful and less aggravating.
Exact same situation here except 1070
I have 1070. Bought it to play Cyberpunk on launch and it serves me well. I'm currently looking at something like 7800 XT or used 7900 XT if I could find a good offer. I don't play that many games now so I don't really need a better GPU that much if I'm being honest but the urge to have better components is too great. Also, I'm glad I have a B350 motherboard because I upgraded from Ryzen 1600 to 5700x. It's really shocking that after so many years AM4 is still a decent choice for gaming. I'm glad I can only upgrade my GPU and not the whole system.
just upgraded to a 4070ti super from my 1070ti and coudlnt be happier ^^
Curious to know what you went with. I was also between a 4070 super and 7900xt and went with the 7900xt just because I worry about the performance of 12gb of vram at 1440p ultrawide a few years from now
25:08 Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name has DLSS3 and FSR3 along with XeSS. Also supports DLAA/FSR2 native AA.
Man, id get a 7900xtx but that ray tracing performance on AMD is so bad, only thing holding me back. I like playing Cyberpunk with path tracing 🥰
You been brainwashed by Nvidia ma man, enjoy wasting your money to see some lights on your screen
Same
I play path tracing on my 7900xt without any issue at all lol.
I use the FG mod, and wow look at that, just like you with FG i can use it too.
I play at 1440p balanced with FG on path tracing. and it plays perfectly.
It's ok to be upset. I'll allow it.
@@TheRandomDude-qy1ev needing FG+FSR balanced to barely reach nvidia's PT performance while just using DLSS quality lmao
@@ishiddddd4783 I have this 470 TI super as well.
Honestly games run a lot smoother on AMD funny enough. You can see that in the comparison videos with the frame time charts.
Nvidia just recently try to fix the stuttering in micro stuttering and dips on the 40 series cards.
They are still present sometimes.
If I want to play cyberpunk yes I'll use my 470 TI super.
I don't use path tracing because it looks unrealistic and just goofy.
I just turn on Ray tracing world lighting medium with reflections. That gives the most realistic look.
It's still way too early to enjoy RT/path tracing properly, so always going for the cheap but better amd. Who knows, they may surprise us in the future with some new tech that helps run path tracing with high fps
Great, buy AMD, pay 2024 price to play 2018 games.
Don't be a snarky fool. I bought an RX 6800 XT for 400$ to play games from 1998-2005
@@MrDs7777what a deranged Nvidia simp 🤡
well not everyone wants to play the latest games with rt lmfao, terrible take@@MrDs7777
Reviewers are always bashing the Unreal Engine 5 for questionable performance but then we also have games like The Finals or Palworld, that no reviewer even looks at because they run so well. I wish reviewers would focus more on the games people are actually playing, than picking the hardest to run games to make it seem like you need super high end GPUs to play PC games in 2024.
Palworld is a fairly graphically simple game, and yet the recommended GPU for it is RTX 2070. I don't see how that would be the example of UE5 running well.
@@HunterTracks yet it has much more players than RoboCop, Lords of the Fallen and Immortals of Aveum combined. The majority of gamers does not care about the most graphically intensive games. In my opinion hardware reviewers are out of touch with the reality of PC gaming.
@@Alvin853 It's an AI generated game...it gives me creepy AF vibes.
i was looking for this benchmark,ty man!
In Germany the 4070 Ti Super is 950 ish Euro, the 7900 XT is 720 ish euro, 230 Euro difference and people still buy the 4070 Ti Super, they rather overpay than buy AMD but still complain their GPU is so expansive.
Gibt keine schönen amd karten so wirklich
@@elvpsenaja ich sage nur Phantom gaming White und taichi white
After the performance not being as good as I’d hoped on the 4070ti super and the 4080 super getting a $200 price cut over the original I’m very interested for next weeks benchmarks on the 4080 super as I might just save a little longer for useable 4k in single player games.
4080 Non-Super or Super is the way to go. Got a regular 4080 last week at $900 and it's amazing.
the super will probably be around 3-5% better at best, wouldn't get your hopes up. its still over priced and still not capable of true 4k like the 4090. what they should have done is do AD102 and cut down so its intbween the 4080 and 4090 but more on the 4090 side. that actually would have made sense at $1,000.
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime if I can get 4k w/rt at 60fps without DLSS on single player titles that’s good enough for me. I will competitively play COD etc @1440p for higher FPS. $800 is all I really wanted to spend on a GPU this year but if the 4080 super can accomplish those specs I could spend more but $1600 msrp and the fact you can’t really find them under 2k a 4090 is never going to happen with my budget. But if not a 4070ti super is probably what I will go with for high FPS 1440p.
@@PCgamingbenchmarktimewhy would they sell ad102 dies cut down in a 4080 when they can sell them for way more in a 4090 or for $30k in an H100? I agree this would have been nice for gamers, but nvidia has so much profit incentive to keep those ad102 dies for their top cards
@dylanjastle I know why they didn't do it. But that's what they should have done if they wanted to actually sell a decent amount of cards and not damage their brand even further. At this point all AMD has to do is do A.I upscaling that's on par or better than dlss (main factor for me not buying) catch up a lot more in ray tracing and be more aggressive with prices and they'll be able to steal a lot of nvidias marketshare. Will they do this though? Probably not but they could if they weren't complacent with getting nvidias scraps
7900xt all day, I'll put that $100 difference towards the 8900xt next Gen.
I've got sad news for you
Remember, they wanted to name the 70ti the 4080 12GB despite not using ad103.
At my local MicroCenter the RX 7900 XT seems to go on sale about once a month during a period of about 3 days. It has several times over the past few months dropped on sale for $659.99. At that price the comparison makes the AMD card a massive winner. I mean, AMD has been doing a lot of winning lately, though I would point out that Nvidia basically makes it very, very, very easy to be victorious against. Crazy that only about 3 years ago did I never consider buying an AMD GPU for gaming, it was always Nvidia green, now that has completely flipped and all I see is RED.
There is jit 3 microcenters in the US that isn't a valid comparison at all
Also u better count your chips cuz nvidia is making a comeback and even then I would still buy any of their gpu's over amd for at least 5 reasons
@n64slayer I have two microcenters less than an hour from me. Thinking of going to pickup the 4080 super..
@@n64slayerHoly dick riding. Nvidia is not gonna let you smash bro…
@@n64slayer personal preference logically.. but lemme guess at least 3 of ur reasons: DLSS, FG, RT/PT?
I just put the 4070Ti Super into my Newegg cart and about to purchase. My reasoning is look at that wattage. It's insane on the AMD card. I think the AMD card will age better as the previous gens have compared to NGREEDIA, but the games I currently play with the RT or PT performance is better compared to AMD plus that efficiency has me sold and I don't think AMD's next gen is going to be what I want in PT or RT or even in efficiency. I could be wrong, but I think the 4070TiS with the 16gb VRAM is where I'm ok with being for the foreseeable future.
Excellent review! Very thorough and helped me decide what I want to do.
Looking forward to the white 4070 Ti Supers
this was supposed to be the "knock out blow" for the 7900xt yet ended up with equal performance and a higher price tag. Amd is laughing all the way to the bank as they dont even need to lower the 7900xt price below current street prices.
did u even watch the video completely? Owen said 7900xt needs to be at 650$ to justify its performance because of the lack of features.
@@KenpachiAjaxOwen doesn't know the 4070 Ti Super prices yet. There's no Founder's Edition to keep the prices low
@@rob4222 sure we do, the MSRP will be 799. Of course no one knows where they may settle, but that is an impossible task, so what's your point?
@@KenpachiAjax what features are we even losing out with a 4070ti S vs a 7900xt
@@toad7395 Displayport 2.1, Radeon Chill. a Driver that isnt stuck in the 90s. also €150 here in europe
Completely psyched to get the XFX Merc310 7900XT tomorrow. Picked it up from Newegg for $710 yesterday because I knew the non-RT performance would be there in the games I play.
I don’t hate Nvidia like others do. I’m not a crazy fanboy either. Have owned AMD in the past and am excited to go back for the next few years.
I just got mine two days ago I wanted the XTX but after using the XT I’m not disappointed price to performance is great
I've always been pretty neutral towards both companies but right now i'm finding it harder and harder to not dislike Nvidia. The pricing is what it is, but there's simply no reason to not put more vram on their higher end gpus than the fact that they want them to be obsolete in the shortest amount of time possible without affecting current benchmark scores.
Im not a fanboy. Im just poor and every buy used gpu. My last gpu was: 6800xt founders amd, 3080 gaming oc gigabyte. And both terrible gpus. Trottling, heating, noise...it was verry bad. I sell and buy 3070 ofcourse used, and im verry happy. Undervoltage peak temps stress 56 celcius, fan rpm max 1100. Its crazy good. Peak power consumption under 160watts. Great efficient gpu, but 6800 (non xt) its better efficient probably but i dont know it is it true. Sorry for my english
I own both 6800XT/3080Ti/7900XTX and 4090 and all these different products have a place in the market for somebody. As long as you buy what it is you need based of your means that's kind of the point and to enjoy it. So many fanboy types fight in these comments sections embarrassing themselves essentially trying to delegitimize anyone else that isn't as emotionally invested as them that it completely misses the point.
We have many options to game, you can spend $300 bucks on a console or go as high as a 4090 beast rig and guess what, they all play the same game at the end of the day right?
@@TerraWare I agree, in any case everyone does what they want with their own money, the important thing is to make a choice coherent with personal needs without being fooled by the mermaid. Anyway I recognized your nickname, you make great videos!
i just got a new pc and went for the 7900 xt, had team green for my last 2 pc but just wanted something different. cant wait, its coming monday then time to build
in the past nvidia drivers have always been better. looks like red has caught up
The problem with this card is that it should have come out 1 year ago, now...too little too late. At this price point I'd rather invest my money in the next generation of cards due out in about 1 yr from now
exactly. i fail to see anything interesting with these cards. doing what they should have done in the first place for the same prices that are over priced is hardly exciting lol.each card needs to be at minimum $100 less, but even then....its too little too late. if im going to be ripped off with an 80 series card that should be at most $800 i'll wait for next gen for a much bigger leap in performance
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime Whats ur current gpu?
i have a 3080 10gb card. so i wasn't going to pay 72% more than i paid for my card at launch for 50% performance. the 2080 to 3080 had a similar uplift with 0% increase in price. even the 4080 super at $1000 is still a 42% increase in price. no thanks lol if im going to a 42% in price for an 80 series card it will have to be close to 100% uplift in performance @@mosesdavid5536
Doing the same thing. I am on 1080ti right now. Had 2 PG xtx and both eventually got high temp issues. In the end I got like 4 months of gaming on them and got my money back so I am happy to wait another for some ridicilous upgrade.
Thank you for your work man.
Keep on being honest about results and close to the gaming experience when recommending x or y.
The RTX 4070 Ti Super is actually a decent option in my country (Norway), considering it's $100 cheaper than the RX 7900 XT. Combined with DLSS i would honestly get the 4070 over the 7900 🤷🏻♂️
i just looked at prisjakt and its literally the opposite? The rx is about 120$ cheaper than the 4070 ti super. What website did you find that price at?
lucky you
I my country 4070ti is 150 dollars more expensive.
@@swarnimshalin2665 where are you from
@@swarnimshalin2665 in mine its 200$ more expensive 😭😭
"If you lose, it's a skill issue" lmaoooo
In Czechia the current price is: 4070ti super - around 970$ and 7900xt - around 940$ ... so the choice is clear considering how much better nvidia cards are with RT turned on
Here in Germany the current prices of 4070 ti supers are around the 900€ mark and the 7900xt is around 770-780€
Good that Nvidia is now starting to be more competetive here in Germany since the prices before were just hilarious to say the least. I am really looking forward to what 2024 in terms of gpus and prices will have to offer. I am currently still liking my 6800xt but if some big stuff is happening I might think about upgrading.
Also amazing videos my guy, keep it up!
Really here in Greece the cheapest 7900xt you can get in the moment is 670 euros lol while the ti super that now launched goes for around 900+ euros 😂😂😂. Like YEAH. Even if you care about ray tracing amd is the way to go
here only 1 shop have 4070 ti super and its 1083 euro while 870 euro is 7900xt, it can be found for cheaper from online only shops from local version of ebay/ amazon
Was hoping for nvidia to be more competitive and was expecting the TI Super to have way more performance than it ended up having, but cant justify paying 200€ more for the TI super over the 7900xt.
The prices anyway be shitty XD now and before
In France, the cheapest 7900 XT is 850€ and cheapest 4070 Ti are 940€, but both of them extends to 1050€ on top-end models. You could actually get a 7900 GRE for 800€, but with the 4070 Super at 660€ it could be quite hard for AMD to have better pricing, and it looks like french retailers are biased towards Nvidia as AMD's price drops almost never make it to here (lots of 7900 XTX are still at 1150-1200€ and there was a small batch of RTX 4080 last week going for as low as 1200€).
I am a major NVDA fan boy, I will probably be getting a 4070ti Super, upgrading from my 1080 Ti.
i was looking for a 1440p gpu and i was excited by the news that amd would have ai upscaling soon. turns out that leak was about the ps5 pro and not for the 7000 radeon series. i really don't care that much about rt, fg and all that but dlss upscaling makes a big difference, especially on lower resolutions and even more so if you consider that devs now are making games with upscaling in mind. if i want a card that does ai upscaling which won't be irrelevant in 1 year, instead of getting a 7800xt or 7900gre at a normal(ish) price, i'm forced to go for a hella expensive 4070 ti super. i think both amd and nvidia are so bad right now, the state of gpus really is just sad :(
Yeah, I don't care much for RT, but DLSS makes a world of difference when the alternative, FSR, is so bad.
Killin it man! Thanks for these!
Really expected the 4070 ti super to be at least equal to the 7900 xt in rasterization, pretty disappointing.
i mean, it's a give or take, you won't notice the difference in 99% of games since the lead usually is below 10%, you will if you decide to use anything with heavy rt
@@ishiddddd4783Sure, but why would you use anything with heavy RT? It's not like it doesn't cut 50% of performance from 4070 Ti Super, it just cuts 75% of 7900 XT.
@@HunterTracks I always use RT when available, not going max path tracing as only the 4090 can do it to some extent but as far as i can. It's a feature that works far better on nvidia cards and the performance difference is far bigger between the cards using RT than not using it. Until that changes i'm not getting amd.
@@SunedosaI just don't see the appeal, I guess, outside of RT reflections. It looks neat, sure, but it doesn't look different enough to justify the steep drop in performance.
Wait drivers
We also have to think about power consumption for the AMD gpu. It's around 50W more.
I use two computers for work that uses a 4070 Ti and the other one for gaming that uses a 7900 XT, basically the main reason why I would build two computers instead of one because I want one computer to focus on the workload while the other one can simply use for playing games.
As of July 2024 the 7900xt has a good amount of models going for $699 which honestly I’d prefer over the 4070ti super which the lowest I’ve seen it for is $779. If you really need those nvidia features than go for the 4070ti super then but I just don’t think it’s worth spending more for a slight worse raster performance and have part of the larger price tag go to the software side of it. Nvidias 40s has been overpriced since they’re advertising dlss and ray tracing a lot and it’s again a imo a bad move
Funnily enough, the 7900 XT in Australia at retailers where they stock them are priced around the same as the newly released 4070 Super card (depending on the brand/model you're getting) and I don't expect the 4070 Ti Super to be around that. So with the results being as only as meh as we've seen with the reviews (regardless of the weird BIOS issue with the MSI card), it will be a hard sell who want the better performance in terms of rasterization.
That said though, I'm someone who still uses at 1080ti in their rig and it's close to dying out (I replaced my motherboard and CPU a few months ago since the old motherboard died), so I feel that anything I get within this generation or beyond (or even before) will be an upgrade. And like you've said, Daniel. I'm more interested in single-player experiences and what Nvidia's offering (despite the gross pricing) is the feature set with Ray tracing capabilities and DLSS, along with the lower power consumption.
So part of me feels that I would be more than glad to own a 4070ti Super, even if it's not a huge uplift from the OG model and not as fast in terms of rasterization when compared to AMD's offerings. Unless I can get a 4080 at a decent price but I may need to upgrade my PSU for that, which I don't want to do since I got a non-modular one without realising it (when I was having PC problems that I thought was the PSU when it turned out to be the motherboard as I mentioned).
That said, great work as always, Daniel!
i hv v650 semi modular 80 plus gold psu of cooler master since 2015 . my max gpu support is 4070 ti super . although it can run 4080s too but unfortunately my psu has only two pcie connectors. all the 4080s cum wd 12hpwr to 3 pin pcie dongle. im upgrading from 3070 FE
If i had 100fps or 80 in SP shooter i would never ruin native resolution with upscaling, esc in 1440p. With these GPUs its needed mostly at 4k and there quality works fine even with FSR. MP fast games are another story but there i dont notice flaws bcs they are to fast. Upsacling with these class of GPU its not that much important in my opinion. Remnant 2 was one of the best games from last year and its not in testing any more.
Power color hell hound sounds so cool
sounds half-stupid half-cool lol
End of october prices in Slovakia -
ASUS TUF 7900 GRE - 680€
XFX RX 7900 XT - 750€
MSI 4070 Super - 670€
GIGABYTE 4070 Ti Super - 880€
I will most likely go with 7900 XT cause I am mostly interested in raw 4K rasterized gaming performace for the price. 20 gigs and larger bus are more attractive for me.
Honestly there are only a handful of games that even use path tracing as of yet. In more normal/mixed RT workloads the 7900XT is fine. I would pocket the $100 and just enjoy getting great performance.
For today sure, but as RT gets more efficient the 4070 Ti S will be the better 1440p card in the future... unless pure rasterization performance is all that matters to the buyer.
@@Dexion845these 4070s won't be playing shit at max settings 1440p in a year. Rt or not Nvidia crippling their own cards is gonna be the 3070 all over again
It's really whatever at this point. What's a $100 bucks over card you'll probably keep for 4-5 years?
@@timotmongood luck!
@@Dexion845what will you say when the next dlss or raytracing tech gets solely locked into the 50 series? 😂
Great work. I think you may skip 1080p for most of the games but competitive shooters. It will save you a lot of time. Those GPUs are used with higher res anyway.
If the 6800 XT were the 3070 competitor when it was released and now it beats the 3080, the 7900 XT has a briliant future with 20gb of vram.
Not realy, it is limited by other details than vram
On hardware unboxed 2023 revisit of 6800 XT vs 3080 the AMD card is still considerably slower than the 3080 at both 1440p and 4K, not sure what results you looked at to claim what you did there.
WTF you are talking about? When was 6800XT competing with 3070???
Even 6800 non XT was more expensive and only 10% faster in raster.
The 30 vs 6000 series went like
3090ti vs 6950xt
3090/3080ti vs 6900xt
3080 vs 6800xt
3070ti vs 6800
3070 vs 6750xt
3060ti vs 6700xt
3060 vs 6600xt/6650xt
3050 vs 6600
Then the 6500xt and 6400 were sorta vs the older gtx 1630
Obviously the xx50 cards came later, but they slotted into gaps in the line up that existed.
@@KrisDee19816800xt smashes a 3070 even the 3070ti in raster .
nice. I plan to upgrade my 3060 to a 4070 Ti or (if i can get a deal on it) 4070TiSuper, and these results kind of confirmed that plan for me. I play in 1440p and generally care little for raytracing stuff, but do prefer DLSS over FSR, so i will stick to NVIDIA for that reason alone..
4:50 Hi! You have obviously not used the latest preview drivers which improve the performance of the RX7900XT by around 30% in rasterization and raytracing with the game Allan Wake 2.
24.1.1 is out now and makes the preview driver irrelevant. but they still should have used it in the video bc that.
@@Technically_Techy Absolutely, I tested the 24.1.1 driver last night, it improves the performance as much as the last preview driver
Nice video :) My problem is only around 900€ for max settings or raytracing on just qhd is bad I guess and around 50-60 fps on 4k is not enough for future games I guess.So its maybe better to go with a 7900xtx or a 4080 super for me.
To me RT is too important to ignore. New game engine will utilize RT/Pathtracing and there is no escaping that. Buy a card that can’t handle it now and you will regret it in less than a year. If you can’t afford a card that can handle it at the resolution you play on - don’t buy wait.
Only flahships can do rt
@@lifemocker85 4080/super can as well with DLSS. RT is nice in slower paced games so 60fps is sufficient IMO. Faster pace games like shooters don’t need great visuals and definitely don’t need RT
@@whitecrowuk575 RT is not a thing when midtier cannot do it
@@lifemocker85 it is a thing if new game engines use it and it’s not optional. Whether your card can do it or not is totally separate issue - it is there, makes hell of a difference so if you want it you either get at least 4080 or wait for 50xx series that hopefully will bring the same performance in a lower tier
@@whitecrowuk575 for most people its not there when you need 1000€$ gpu for it
Just grabbed a 6 month old XFX Merc Black 7900xt for $760 CAD ($550 USD). Absolutely no brainer at that price for 4080 performance (paired with my 7800x3D for SAM advantage))
RT: ON
AMD GPU: I don't feel good.
90% difference is wild for a card of the same league, I will not be buying amd gpu's 🤮
I mean it can do light rt like the 4070 super most of the time. Either way it's probably better than what my old 2080 super could do so I don't really care about it. I also don't find RT worth the massive performance hit anyways, i'll take the extra rasterization fps any day.
It depends on each game. In some cases RT makes a lot of difference.@@Technically_Techy
@@n64slayerwhy do you keep crying in the comment section? Are you that poor that you are desperate to validate your purchase? Lmaooo
Thanks for all the work Daniel.
I'm trying to decide between a 4070ti and 7900xt. at first I was leaning to the 7900xt but now the 4070ti ( depending what pricing does. I play mostly single player games and I wish I could find a video benchmarking ark survival ascended. from what I found amd is horrible in that game. fsr3 just cannot compete with dlss3 and frame gen. Plus I feel a gpu should atleast match the vram of current consoles. my 3070ti aged poorly. I wish I would of bought a 3080 but prices were insane during the crypto boom.
i went 3070 ti then used 3080 now 4070 ti i hope this lasts 2 years lol
@@mrjazza11111 lol what a waist of money, I bet you will be running like a little doggy after bone when rtx 5080 gpus will comeout
did you went up deciding which one to pick ?
I got 20% off a sapphire nitro+ rx 7900 xt for 680 euro and its been the best purchase ive made yet this year. Absolute beast of a gpu
Considering that upscaling is the new standard. $80 is probably a good price to pay for DLSS across most games over fsr
And raytracing. I expect good RT performance for a 700+$ card that handles 1440p and 2160p.
To me the biggest problem is FSR quality vs DLSS. I'm very sensitive to any shimmering and in most games FSR looks really bad. I'm currently still using 2080ti and was really thinking about switching to 7800XT but again that upscaling! I don't even care about heavy RT performance that much.
@@KrisDee1981idk runs fine in the finals with ray tracing on , im seeing 100+ in the finals with a 6800xt with no upscaling .
@@AzSureno I'm talking about heavy games like Alan Wake 2 or Avatar.
@@KrisDee1981 not heavy games , me personally I don’t care to much about ray tracing , so far my 6800xt has been moving mountains so I’m good with it , maybe another generation and we will see what happens with that .
Keep up the good work. How you find the time to do all this testing and be a teacher and be a parent is amazing. Just one nitpick: around 33:00 you talk about 4k gaming and path tracing but you're missing that 4k gamers can easily drop to 1080p.
Having moved to AMD just before Christmas / AMD software and drivers are vastly better imho. I was with Nvidia for ten years putting up with GeForce experience trash. AMD adrenaline has far very options built in.
Exaggerations to justify your fake story
First time I've ever heard someone say AMD has better drivers lmao. Also geforce experience is fine. Just say u like amd don't start lying to prove it to yourself lmao
@TyTan_ you're operating on old data and cannot accept that amd has made big improvement to its drivers and software. Just admit you like green dong...see people can just say random shit
People replying saying you're exaggerating have never used Adrenaline.
@@MutantMasterRace extreme exaggerations. I don't even believe that fake story
Grabbed an XFX RX 7900 XT Black for $630 which is 19% cheaper than the cheapest RTX 3070 Ti Super at $750. Yup. No brainer.
Rx 7900 XT if you want slight raster and Vram advantage.
4070 TI if you want features and ray tracing.
Or pay few more bucks for 7900 xtx for much faster raster advantage
There is no vram advantage 16 vs 20. You won’t use that at all. In productivity RTX is faster in majority of tasks. Price and RT performance is the only differentiator between them apart from that
If you can notice the 5 fps difference you would have superhuman eyes.
I just built a new computer and dont love any of the options so Ill stick with my 3070 ti until next gen and bite the bullet then. I think Ill get what I want next gen, Ill fall short this gen no matter what card I choose unless its the 4090, and im just not paying that price. Before I made this decision, I was going to buy the 4070 ti super, I liked the features at the price range over AMD.for similar price. I'm not letting 100ish dollars at this price range make my choice for me.
Love the work you do, A+ I'm really excited to see how the 4080S does against the 7900 XTX, cause this may mean a price drop on AMD's current flagship
Guess it will have the same ridiculous gain as this 4070 TI super
@@raven89k it will not have much more than 5% when u look at the data sheet. Disappointing... -.- 4080 still overpriced
I just bought a 7090xt along with a 1440p 165hz today. Coming from 1080p at 75hz a GTX 1070. She will be missed, I built the base over a decade ago and she never let me down
Haha you’re going to be so happy
Nice. I'm also a 1070 owner and will retire it by 2025 but yeah my next gpu will be a massive upgrade as well.
JUST IN TIME new drivers just came out AFMF is officially out now You'll be getting more performance the 4080.
I went from 1080TI to 7900xt, still using my old 1440p/165hz monitor. It's a really neat upgrade, insanely higher fps. Since you're coming from a 1070, you're gonna feel like you're in nirvana. I was so happy with my upgrade, it's the first time I ever saw 200+ fps in any game ever lmao.
Good video, i get a strong feeling performance/prise wise, both are to expensive i mean ALL videcards. Currently i use a 3070, and wise to wait for the 50x0 series befor i start thinking about upgrading. Thumbs up Daniel, your benchmark video’s are one of the best.
its impossible to have no interest in RT cause when you look at avatar and alan wake 2 thats where the future lies, you cant even deactivate it anymore and dlss is awalys on mode
Nvidia knows it's fans would be disappointed in this and spend the extra 200 on the 4080 S.
Good video! Im thinking to buy a new gpu but im still deciding which one to buy....in Spain, u can buy the rx 7900 for 780€ and the cheapest one rtx 4070 ti super for 875€. Would u pay it more for the 4070 ti super?
That's the point of the video mate, watch it. The 7900XT stock is usually much better unless the game is using RT. If you OC/Undervolt the 7900XT it'll even better at rasterization and will get remotely close from the 4070TI SUPER RT performances. It's a crazy deal.
@@MisterKrakenswrong, I also overclock my 4070 ti super to the max and then i have the same performance gain as you. Amds current cards physically cant compete in rt with nvidias because they dont have the dedicated rt cores. On raster you can say me anything, but the difference of 5> fps isnt even close to being noticeable.
The question and the answer are very simple. If you care about Ray Tracing and Path Tracing, pick RTX. If you want brute performance and more VRAM for some reason, pick RX.
Don't forget the price. In most places 7900xt is about 100/150 euros cheaper than 4070 ti super.
i knew the 4070ti super was going to be noticeably slower than the 4080. i dont know why it was being overhyped with people saying it was almost as fast as the 4080. the chip is pretty gimped, it was obvious i was going to be slower then that. but it turned out slightly worse than i expected. it doesnt really make any sense, why not go the 4070 super and just overclock it to around the same levels of performance for $200 less. this card is a dud at $800. If AMD were smart they bring the XT down to $649.....which is what the 6800xt was at launch and honestly....the 7900 XT should have been called a 7800 XT in the first place. both companies have done a poor jon this gen. both playing around with the naming to overcharge. its pretty sad honestly, this gen is a complete skip. too little too late, only price drops would have made any of these cards interesting an that didnt happen
I agree. I bought the 7900xt because I skipped two gens already and needed a replacement for my 1080 TI (also upgraded my 9900k for the same reasons). I don't really think I feel like I'm getting a high-end or enthusiast experience (the 9-numered labels in CPUs/GPUs have historically only been used in enthusiast hardware up until now + I spent enthusiast-grade money on it too), just a good upper-midrange one, so I absolutely agree with the 7800xt name. Arguably, you could even call it a 7800 with the 7900XTX beeing the proper 7800XT if you compare the generational leap, and also the fact that AMD has no 4080 TI, sorry I meant 4090 competitor this year. I take that back, I'm not sorry for calling the 4090 an 4080 TI because that's what it is, and what it should be called.
The 7900xt (really a 7800/7800XT) is still a good gpu when it comes down to playing, but I got the 1080 TI cheaper back in the day and was completely blown away by its performance. To get a similar feeling, you need to spend 2 grand on the 4080 TI (what nVidia calls the 4090), and that's hardly a good deal. Titans were far cheaper than that when they were still around, and had some pro features unlocked that the x80 TI cards including the 4090 simply don't.
I hope we can go back to the x80 TI being the flagship card and where a 9 in AMD GPUs actually means it's the top of the line competing with the x80TI. The 2080 TI was already super overpriced, but the 3090/3090 TI and now 4090 quadroupled down on that and nVidia's only reasoning is "bigger number better".
It's because 99% of PC gamers are absolutely clueless about tech.
Anyone with some knowledge about hardware knew it'd be half way between 70 Ti and vanilla 80.
I'm not in the market, at this moment for a new GPU, but I do appreciate watching your reviews. My only question is, do you get tired of talking about how much better DLSS is with the barely noticeable shimmering in the fences in the background on some obscure battlefield? Honestly, could just be a footnote in the summary. I personally get tired of hearing in every single comparison. If everything is the same cost, then sure DLSS is nice, but it just doesn't seem to be a big deal for the average player. Thanks for all the good content!
This dude is spot on. Been arguing with people all day how it's not just about pure rasterization at this tier. The 7900 XT needs to be at $700 or less to be truly competitive.
I'm surprised no one is talking about how many bandages we need just to run ray tracing insted of just having it native like we need like 2 to 3 different Ais to kick in for games with RT to be playable on cards 800$ and above.
It doesn't feel like we are getting more raw power just graphics cards with better software optimizations
This is a dllsVSfsr video, not gpu vs gpu video
To be honest the only relevant review on YT as of today. Thanks Daniel for elaborating it from a customer's PoV with different scenarios rather than academic 15FPS vs 25FPS and 500FPS vs 600FPS benchmarks. Only reviewer who pointed out what I was wondering about what the card can do.
The 4070 super is $200 cheaper and only around 10-15% less performance
4070 TI super
4070 super is a lot worse
The 4070 Super has 4GB less VRAM, a different Processor, only 1 AV1 encoder and smaller Bus Width. The 4070 Ti Super is worth the 200$ premium.
Daniel, i wish you'd do some VR comparisons. Posts always say that AMD is inferior for VR, but i want numbers!
16 minutes of final thoughts. Holy Crap, just sum it up already.
So I decided to sold my 6900 XT and trying Nvidia GPU for once so i went with 4070 ti super and wow DLSS are just Way better than FSR atm.
tried CP2077 with ultra and PT On, I average 57FPS at 1440p without Frame-gen and it's totally playable.
it's worth it.
I think Nvidia should concentrate mostly on improving the ray/path tracing tech in RTX 5000 series, increasing the next gen RT core counts to the point the frame rates don't drop much when Ray/parth tracing is turned on. They should just use whatever extra die space they get with the node shrink for the next gen improved RT cores, since their rasterized performance is already good.
This makes no sense their problem is not ray tracing is just normal rasterization performance which is worse than amd in the lower ends.
Nvidia is cheap AF and will do nothing that you have mentioned. They're gonna take your idea out back and shoot it because it won't bring them higher profit margins. Expect the bare minimum from Nvidia, always.
@@mnazas2299 What I was about to say is, if they could make RT effects work without impacting their regular non-RT performance, then that itself should be enough for next gen, in my opinion. Because that would make RT more mainstream and almost a necessity that everyone would want than it currently is. Which in turn would help take overall gaming industry to the next level.
@@parthibanspace ??? This is not happening ray tracing is a feature that has existed for a while its not just magically gonna become essentiall
The fact I’m about to buy a 7900xt for $650 ($275 out of pocket thank you Best Buy trade ins!) and the closet 4070 super ti is the same cost as a xtx around $860 is insane.
I really want a xtx but the price to performance just isnt enough to justify the added cost
I think, as always, it largely depends on what you’re looking for.
Neither card can reliably handle path tracing or heavy RT workloads, or native 4K consistently across titles, and they’re both 700(!) dollars or more.
So, you’re looking at either playing at native 1440p (for 700-800 bucks), or you’re going to be using upscaling to hit 4K, and at that point FSR just isn’t good enough to pay 700 dollars and deal with so much image loss, on top of overall inferior RTX performance. Yeah, it still leads in raster, but are you telling me the person willing to buy a 700-800 dollar card is going purely raster? You might as well go for a much cheaper card then.
We’re talking about GPUs that the average person would consider the lower end of indulgent tier, considering the most popular GPUs are still the 3060.
On top of that, the 20GB of VRAM on the XT isn’t moving mountains, and everyone expected 2023 games to REQUIRE at minimum 16GB of VRAM. Well, that ship sailed, and so far the UE5 games are not the boogeyman everyone made them out to be, so…
Sure, one day. In the future, at some point, hardware all becomes obsolete, and eventually more VRAM will help somewhat, but it won’t magically make the 7900XT crush future titles in 4K native, and you’re going to have to deal with that shimmering and image loss upscaling solution, and we know how people feel about Frame Gen. “Future proofing” in the world of hardware isn’t a thing.
Of course, 800 bucks isn’t cheap either, and I’d argue that paying that much money for a 1440p card is kind of insane , and probably feeding in to these outrageous prices. I wouldn’t recommend either GPU to any friends of mine, because they’re kind of bad value.
I will say that it’s odd to still see people laugh off RTX still, as it’s made quite the impact in some truly big games (path tracing in Cyberpunk and Alan wake 2 is a sight to behold) so yeah it’s pretty relevant, and will continue to be so as consoles incorporate it into their titles more and more.
I wish I could give you as many likes as possible or perhaps pin your comment to the top. Cause so far you're one of the very few people here giving a very well headed insights of what the situation we have here presents. Regardless of whatever decision one takes here, there's still no absolute future proof solution. It all depends on what presently drives your interest that's it
@@krys0ll218 Right?! Future proof definitely isn't a thing. That would be a terrible business model. Sometimes I think people forget about the relationships between game developers and the GPU industry. It reminds me of the "will it play Crysis?" meme. I never purchase a GPU expecting that it's going to play the next generation of bleeding edge games; that's just not how it works. In my mind I always know whatever I purchase today will be replaced by the next shiny thing with x% performance uplift within the next 12 months, and it'll choke on the next generation of "AAA" games. Chasing the bleeding edge is an expensive and largely pointless endeavor, unless someone just has money to burn-- and that's coming from someone who owns a 4080 (granted, I didn't pay over MSRP for it, got it on sale for under).
To be completely honest, I don't even consider the 4080 a true 4K card. Can it do it in a pinch with DLSS and FG? Sure, but certainly not native resolution- at least not very well. It will be years before I consider another GPU upgrade regardless. I'll stick to 1440p and reduce settings as needed, and I'm sure, just like every other GPU I've owned over the last 30 years, it's only a matter of time before it won't keep up, even at 1440p. Whether or not a 4090 can do it I don't personally know, beyond looking at someone's benchmarks. That being said, the only time it would've ever made sense to buy at the 4090 tier (if it ever did at all- and that's debatable) would've been at release. Certainly not well over a year into the series.
@@_shaggyrogers_ I had a 1080 TI for 7 years before upgrading. GPUs are absolutely future proof if they are good enough. You can still play games with a 2080 TI, you will still be able to play games with a 3090TI 2 years from now, and many steam users are still on Pascal, even lower end models such as the 1650.
People who think gaming =4k/Ultra are a delusional minority with no empathy for the majority of gamers and frankly people who overspend on hardware and justify their purchase with their elitism. You don't need to spend a grand every 2 years on GPUs alone just to game.
If your logic was remotely realistic, consoles wouldn't even exist, they would be obsolete within 2 years. A good gpu can easily last you 2 gpu gens without any trouble.
@@gameurai5701 if you want to play AAA games in 4k with 60+fps on high settings, you pretty much have to buy flagship every new generation
The XFX Merc310 7900XT has been amazing for the few days I’ve had it. Grabbed it off Newegg for $709 last week and it is killing 1440p for me.
Had an Nvidia 1070Ti and then a 3070Ti but was excited to return to AMD. Not disappointed early on at all. The last time I had AMD the 480 was the best they had! How far they have come since then.
If you dont use raytracing and upscaling, AMD is ok. But as soon as u use any of that, its just fails. Raytracing is almost 1/2 of nVidia and FSR look worse than DLSS. This considered, AMD should really step down on the pricing. Because RT is here to stay and it looks really nice, so why would u use a card, which cant deliver on that. Same with DLSS, it can even make a better image than native, so why would u use FSR which produces inferior image? Its sad AMD seems to be unable to catch on any of this new tech, yet they keep the prices comparable to the nVidia cards.
Software tricks aint performance and rt is not a thing when midrange struggles with it
depends, my 2nd hand 3080 does raytracing really well @@lifemocker85
Glad I got my 7900XT when it hit $800. Sure I could’ve saved some money but I’m happy
tbh 80 bucks more for dlss, rt, CUDA, the capacity to train AI models, reflex, nvidia broadcast, nvenc, lower power consumption, better drivers, and a more user friendly experience is hell of a deal
This..
Amd undervolts well so not really difference in power, drivers and "user friendliness" are the same. Ngreedia is not worth extra except if you use some spesific programs
@@lifemocker85 ngreedia always worth, and also Nvenc just takes it all. I am not streaming on any amd card.
@@lifemocker85 nah, those 80bucks are definetly worth it, amd's main lead is adrenaline's UI, and even that nvidia is also releasing an improved version of geforce experience so it no longer has the win xp interface.
AMD doesn't respond to undervolting, RDNA3 gpus' respond to power limits, and even with those in place, you need to pull the slider to -15 to match the 4070ti super stock efficiency, under the same loads, the nvidia card is always going to be more efficient.
The toolset is just the small thing that sells it off, AMD needs to sell cheaper because at the same price point they always lose.
@@ishiddddd4783 so basicly what youre saying you dont have any experience with AMD. Good job. Like I said AMD undervolts well since they tend to overvolt their hardware. 4070TiS are not efficient at all.
Having had both the 7900 xt, and now the 4070 ti super.
I've noticed a few things.
On average, the 7900 xt seems to have a smoother Frametime graph in most titles. And I do notice it.
Also, for the Nvidia side, the 4070 ti supers performance stays rather consistent through a large variety of games.
For example the 7900 xt tends to do well with recent titles, or AMD favored ones reviewers keep rehashing (Forza, valhalla, call of duty, far cry ect)
BUT, I play allot of older games as well, and mmos. And that performance gain drops off PRETTY BADLY in titles that aren't more current, or AMD loved.
In gta, world of warcraft, Boto byteland, assassins creed origins, hat in time, and many more the 4070 ti super was on average 20-30fps higher!!
This is something that people who review these cards aren't really diving into. they focus on popular, or current titles which I understand why.
But even so, it would be really cool to see someone download just a large variety of games from steam from really old, to old, to current and see then how they both stack up. Games more importantly that people who review cards don't show, don't include any that are usually used. In fact the most played titles aren't even shown on reviews, just graphically demanding ones that are current, or old ones stuck in time.
While the 7900 xt IMO offers a smoother experience overall in current titles, it does fall behind by quite allot if you play anything different.
Can't say that i mind losing 5-10 % rasterization performance but getting as much as twice the RT performance, DLSS, better framegen.
Again with RT bias 🤣🤣 dude all nvidias gpus are trash on rt except 4090. Who plays at 40-50 fps with a little reflection difference where you could go 120.
I really wish upscaler quality wasn't a selling point at this price bracket anymore. Like, we're entering 4K territory here, why would you even want to upscale if you can avoid it? So you can blow more performance on RT?
@@arbernuka3679 I don't game at 40-50 fps, thats your amd card trying to do RT.
@@HunterTracks 4K is where you start upscaling because it doesn't produce artifacts like lower resolutions, it's free performance even on aggressive settings. Used and tried them all for years.
Yep! People buying AMD are going to be very sad in a year when all new games run like crap on AMD GPUs.