You missed one of the most important issues - these "coaches" charge thousands of dollars, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars for their programs including online programs. Many of them used to work in sales/marketing and they will prey on guys insecurities to get them to buy in even if it means taking out a loan to do so. There's a lot of men's dating groups or even self-improvement groups on Facebook where these guys will friend everyone in the group and take advantage of someone who makes a vulnerable by DMing them just to make a high-pressure sales pitch. It's an even bigger scam than MLMs.
I thought this was equal to MLM scams. But it's bigger. Damn. I know dating coaches oops hoaxes just like your upline tells you to Cold Contact. That is creepy and awkward and rude. Because in westernized societies people are closed off and they don't let you in. They tell you you have to make hundreds of approaches and if you don't get more than 1 and you are busting your tail they tell you that you need to do more and adjust or tweak something when in fact it wasn't your fault. It is the society we live in that isn't open.
Yes, they rely on FAILURE, not success to drive their income stream. It's always, "Oh, that didn't work for you? Then try my TURBO-CHARGED MEET WOMEN PROGRAM! Only $199!. I normally charge $1500 for the this program". If you ever see this, a question to ask yourself is , "Well if he/she ripped clients off for $1300, what will they rip me off for?" I would also suggest you do a search for the "guest dating/relationship experts" they sometimes bring into telecons. Marni Kynris keeps trotting out this woman who is "...a Shaman and polyamorous". THOSE are her qualifications. In fact, you can find guys on RUclips who specialize in MARKETING for "dating"/"life" coaches, so they can pull down "$10-20K a month!" Sounds like folks who really feel coaching is a calling instead of an MLM/Money Funnel. Finally, testimonials/anecdotes are NOT data. Again using Ms. Kynris as an example her disclaimer states, "For dating ENTERTAINMENT purposes only.." and later, "Winggirl reserves the right to EDIT testimonials, which become the property of Winggirl Method."
It’s true what works for you probably won’t work for me, but there are some universals that don’t work for anyone. Not screwing things up is half the battle.
@@sloebone7399 I’d say a universal rule that can be learned before you fuck up is to always be honest about your intentions. Don’t share everything over text, don’t sext unless she initiates it, and don’t be disrespected.
Like wtf does that guy even mean 'teach this to your sons' ? Does he mean the sons you pay child support on because you had them accidently during a one night stand with a woman who you have nothing in common with whom you tricked into bed? None of these guys is advertising how to find a real relationship with someone you plan to stick with so that sons shit is baffling to me.
The man didn’t “trick” anybody into bed as long as it’s consensual and she wasn’t under the influence. You can’t put the whole blame on the man for being charismatic while the woman blindly ignored the obvious red flags and still slept with him because her SHE wanted to as well or she chose him using superficial standards. Let’s be fair about how stupid both sexes are when it comes to one night stands and it’s associated consequences. That’s dangerous, you guys act like women have no sense of agency and are all totally oblivious despite-them being adults
@@sloebone7399 Agreed. The cold approaches he showed are incredibly uncomfortable to watch. Whenever guys use cringy lines, stay in conversations where the women are clearly uninterested and uncomfortable, and get physical (I mean wtf) it's incredibly hard to watch. I got serial-killer vibes watching this (natural lifestyle is a great example of this, holy shit). But it doesn't have to be that way. If you learn to talk to strangers in a respectful way (and don't do any of the above), most interactions end up being short, PLEASANT conversations even if they don't lead to anything. Fluid social has some great examples of this. This "it's not okay to talk to strangers and show interest" bullshit a lot of people spew is ridiculous. Although in defence of the guy who made this video, these interactions were very creepy and not the way to do it lol. And I agree, a lot of youtube-pickup artists are scammers, liars, and bad people. You can show interest in women without coming from a predatory mindset and trying to get something from them.
I normally do not need coaches...however I decided it might be a good idea and scheduled a 30 min call with one of the relationship "experts" on youtube. the call was free. he called me and our call lasted 15 minutes. Basically it was a sales pitch and his session costs about $500. Needless to say I did not pay for it. And decided not to pursue this venue. In my case I will go with my gut feeling and with the advice of my family members. They are not into helping you bit into making money.
thank you for analysing some of these cringey tactics and telling the truth about them. they do make women feel uncomfortable and pressured. one of the biggest problems is the lack of emphasis on consent.
@@sloebone7399 justice systems fail, have corruptible elements and are subject to bias like misogyny. Let's not pretend it's a good system when so many r2pists are overlooked by the courts globally.
@@Artlesbi - The system in all our civilized nations puts that crime in the same punishment category as murder. It’s a very serious crime and it’s treated that way, but that also means we have to raise the standards of proof. You can’t just send someone to prison for 10 years because he didn’t pick up on your discomfort. They’re not handling out speeding tickets here. Consent can’t be such a moving target. If a woman feels pressured or uncomfortable, she needs to end the encounter in no uncertain terms. People are not mind readers. No one can hear the “no” you don’t say. Consent is also stating, in no uncertain terms, when you don’t give consent. Stating your lack of consent means that escalating the encounter further would be a crime. “No!” Has much more power than “yes .
@@sloebone7399 what are you trying to say? i don't understand what the point of your text is. It sounds like you're defending r2pist's for not "picking up" on NO. Not to mention if you're unsure you can ASK them if they consent or not. You sound like the type i would avoid. too many legal concerns and no empathy for the victims, just the excuses for the perpetrators. Additionally where i live there's no real prison time for r2pe or murder so don't generalize without doing extensive research. There are many article's on google i can send you but i think you should do your own research. there are thousands of court cases with no prison time like the Drew Clinton case where he confessed to the crime but still had no punishment. You answer is uninformed at best.
PUA was always a get rich quick scam but when you counter is 'be yourself' most guys are just going to laugh because when women say that they are envisioning a guy who they are already attracted to.
As do men. Men usually don't want to be with (sexually or romantically) a woman they're not physically/sexually attracted to, even if she has a wonderful personality. That's how sexual attraction works. However, if she already finds you somewhat attractive, being yourself can increase the attraction. And not being yourself can destroy your chances with someone who was initially attracted to you. You are never going to attract all women. The point is to increase your opportunities with women who do find you physically attractive.
Obviously. Just because you exist doesn't mean that a woman will guaranteed to be attracted to you. People have varying tastes and women are people, after all.
"He doesn't respect the opinions of women". I wouldn't say this is malicious. You don't ask a fish how to catch it, you ask a fisherman. Also be honest ladies, if a man asked you what he had to do to get you, all of the interest/attraction you might have had would be gone in an instant, cause he should know already. Thats why I would never ask for a girls advice or opinion. Not only do you look like a chump in her eyes, but you likely won't get anything valuable. Attraction and arousal arent the same thing.
@@Тапи-щ7н Well yeah, it was kind of a weird answer so I'll give you that... but the thing is, you need to hear the advice of a woman at some point in your life when it comes to dating, and that also goes for women needing to hear the advice of a man because it gives you an idea of the perspective of the other sex when it comes to heterosexual dating. And also, you don't ask your own date for advice, you usually can ask a friend, acquaintance or even family member of the opposite sex for this kind of advice
@@javiinkling695 alright, now I'm genuinely curious why you think it's important to ask the opposite sex. I can only speak from experience, which is why I said what I said. All the women in my life, be it female friends, mother or cousins, tell me generic garbage like be nice, be kind, do this do that. Its always about me having to do stuff for others, but when I insist someone does something for me, a girl would tell me: why would you do that, why would you say that and so on. It wasn't until I dove into the manosphere when someone finally told me that gifts, being nice and being yourself doesn't get you anywhere.
@@Тапи-щ7н I already said it, it's to have an idea of what a girl might expect from you if the women you knew told you to be yourself and be nice it's because most women expect a man to be honest about themselves and be a good person to be with
Go actually watch his full video instead of this edited version that only shows the parts where he is kinda rude and interups her. Nobodys perfect but atleast he somewhat teached men to be better versions of themselves.
Don’t self deprecate. Let’s be realistic there are toxic women out there who like the toxic bullshit advice and respond to it positively. But all women like men who believe in themselves have confidence and do not self deprecate. You can laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously, but never self deprecating.
I'll be honest, I know People who aren't super confidence and have gfs, it was never that deep to begin with. Movies, culture, and gender expectations make it seem that way. But if a girl genuinly likes you and her mentality doesent revolve around bull shit, They'll likely accept you for who you are
@@abeltesfaye_ - Nobody takes the dating coaches seriously. Look at the video, those women are literally running away from these guys. What guy would want to replicate that?
The one thing none of these dating coaches ever talk about is how unproductive it is to try and meet women at bars/clubs, especially if they are 9s or 10s and you’re an “average Joe.” Funny thing is, if you met these very same women during the day at a public event, an art/music class, a meetup group or thru mutual friends, etc., your chances of getting a date with them are much higher simply because of a common interest you both immediately share and that naturally builds comfort. I’ve dated and had relationships with a handful of beautiful women because of HOW we met - not because I spent hundreds of dollars on dating coaches telling me that I have to do and say x, y & z in order to attract women in bars and clubs 🤷🏻♂️
Imagine being 40 and your ideal age being girls just out of high school. hmm what feels illegal but isn't. *edit* I seem to be getting a few people not understanding my point or disagreeing with me. So if you fall under either categories I recommend that you watch this guys other video called “why large age gaps can feel gross”
Well if you read about reproductive biology you will discover that young women are the most fertile in these years 18-27, In fact 90% of a woman's fertile eggs are gone as soon as she turns 30. So these are facts not opinions, we can use all kinds of shaming tactics because it seems wrong to you or "feels" offensive or whatever. But that does not remove this is a stated biological fact, so there is no way to remove the fact that most men want women who are in their healthiest and fertile years, it's hardwired, there's no way of removing this it is hardwired into our brains.
@@franciscor390 First of all 18 and 27 are two very different things. Yes biologically 18 year olds are more fertile but are you really giving men that little credit. That they cant help themselves but go after barely adult young girls in the name of reproduction. If you are 40 years old and probably already have kids I doubt you are seeking out 18 year olds to procreate, its just an excuse. People who use that excuse should have more self control. Many men can find women in there own age range and if they want someone younger it wont be a 25 year age gap.
Casey Zanders is the realest one out there. He is not bullshiting nor a creepy pickup artist that teaches young men to fuck women 24/7. Self control over your life, having healthy physique and confidence is what he actually teaches. He is definitely helping out young men on not just dating but life itself. I recommend checking out his channel but remember if you don’t like it, it is completely fine. As this video said not every men and women are the same but majority will to tend like certain aspects of the opposite sex.
seems like the only one that people are defending, and I agree - Casey has put out some amazing work and he doesn't encourage men to go out and try to rack up a body count or hit on young woman at bars, he literally says find your purpose and be a man of value and you will naturally attract a woman of value. They did cherry pick his worst video that makes him look like a misogynist dick tho lol but I would rather listen to him than any of these other creeps by a wide margin
He scammed me with the 270$ 60% off around Christmas when he had his big sale all I got was webinars emails and no slide show no secrets and he keep sending me emails about how these men were successful and not sending me a damn thing and who tf is gonna pay 4,000$ on getting women the only better way is to self improve yourself and talk to women
casey zander got his sister to back him up and say girls don't like feminine boys, but that's not universally true. Some women don't that is ultimately true but i've met a few over my years who actually find it attractive. it depends on the girl. but what I wanted to say is hanson has a huge female fandom and so does tokio hotel and I know you guys will cringe if you hear his stuff as american boys but so does long haired feminine gil ofarim (out of my bed.) those guys would not be as popular as they are if women universally found femininity to be a turn off.
Casey Zander too like the thing that makes me so skeptical i just that he like me is running a startup online but it's litterally just a family that is all essentially of course backing each other because I mean Why wouldn't his sister say he was totally right? She's not only biased but has an financial incentive to say he is. be skeptical.
@@guidestone1392 yup, and it’s disgusting that that was played for humor. I’m kind of shocked that that same Director (Sean Anders) also went on to direct Instant Family, which was SO much better
Why aren't women honest about what turns them on sexually? That's why a lot of men go down the PUA route after trying the "nice guy, be yourself (which usually means video gamer who will be super faithful and caring who will be happy to focus on you as a woman)".
That right there is the problem. Not every woman is interested sexually in the same thing. I noticed that you mentioned women’s sexual interests and men trying the “nice guy method”. Are men being “nice guys” because they are or are they using it as a method to get sex? If they are using that method to get sex, they are manipulative and deceptive. Women can sense that. No one likes to be manipulated, deceived or conned. You aren’t the ideal partner if you do such things.
, some do, are timid, and some get caught up in the romance fans instead of worrying about they truly want. You talk to the woman in your life and not a stranger about your relationships
18:51 like what is wrong with this dude? what's the point in making a video with someone and then interrupt them every 20 seconds? I bet this guy's parents can't tolerate him let alone women he is trying to date.
I can't speak for the rest of these people, but I have watched Casey Zanders tube and from the view videos I have seen he has some extreme views... and by that I mean extremely helpful. He doesn't just focus on dating or attraction videos, but very important subject, like semen retention. He seems to have respect for woman (at least he thinks he does), but he does believe that we are biologically & mentally very different which makes some of his statements... questionable, & I agree it is very irritating & cringe worthy to see him interrupt his GF because it seems like hes trying too hard to seem "alpha" in the video for his viewers when behind the scenes the relationship dynamic seems more equal than he wants to admit. But nonetheless, with that being said appreciate that his takeaway message is almost always "stop trying to pick up chicks at the bar for one night stands, find your purpose and focus on that and you will attract the woman right for you". I find nothing misogynist or creepy about that message in particular In fact quite the opposite of what some of these other sad chumps are telling men...
What is the appeal of paying for a dating coach other than if you're a virgin with 0 clue on women?? Most dating coaches give you advice on how to get women drunk at a bar or club and take them home... Why would anybody need advice on how to get with women who have huge body counts and who are willing to go have sex with a guy paying for her drinks all night?? If I had a gun to my head and was forced to pay for a dating coach, I would rather pay for a female relationship dating coach..
The problem with Casey is he has no credentials and no source of credibility. And the “Uncle C” thing is downright cringe worthy. He actually puts his little sister in front of the camera to talk about NOFAP. it’s a weird channel.
I'm mixed. PUAs are very scammy especially with how much they charge to try to teach guys. The modern dating world is a lot different than 60 years ago. That being said the best thing I guy can do is have a great physique and be physically attractive then use that to approach women directly.
In short, to attract women, you have to be an attractive option. You need to invest in yourself not only physically, but mentally and emotionally and have a strong sense of self worth. One area where these dating coaches do get it right is that appearing needy is a romance killer. Don't be needy. Show that you are interested in someone, but that you don't need them. And dating is a numbers game. Having social skills, looks, wit, charm, confidence, social intelligence, etc. making dating easier. I think many of the better dating coaches try to improve people who are lacking in those skills. Another thing is the have a mission and a passion. That is have something that drives you internally, and not for external validation.
@@damnyankeega Totally agree. The coaches or RUclipsrs pushing the inner investments, while also staying aware and empathetic to the female experience of dating, are out there and doing the good work.
Take into account that none of this stuff works, it’s a lot of very expensive nonsense with marketing designed to part a desperate man with his money. They’re fleecing men.
Also why are women turned off by guys who make the woman the focus? How is any of that a bad thing? Logically in a partnership you'd want your other half to make you the focus, right?
Yeesh, these coaches are so disconnected from reality. Look forward to your breakdown, watching as we speak Edit: what Marni said and your outro were both great. not to mention dellor lol
Not only are these so-called tips by dating coaches harmful to women, but they are also harmful to the men consuming them - and I am not only talking about their wallets, but about their psychological well-being. It's a "game" wherein only the dating coaches win, while men and women lose. The harsh reality is that some of use won't find a match for a long time or ever. It's simple math paired with the complexity of falling in love, attraction and so on. Anyone has the chance to find a great person - great, as in pretty, wealthy, funny, sporty, outdorsy, amitious etc. etc. etc. - BUT while anyone has the chance, not everyone will! And no dating coach will change that! It's like capitalism. Anyone CAN become a millionaire, but not EVERYone! The sooner you deal with that reality and search for ways to lead a happy life WHETHER OR NOT you find a partner, the better.
That mid-30's dude talking about "pulling" 18-20 year olds into bed is so uncomfortable for me. I'm 25 and I can't see an 18 or 19 year old sexually because all I can think about are my younger cousins, and how girls of those ages are younger than them. So they just seem like kids. Yet there he is, talking about girls that could potentially be his daughters (going straight from looks, he looks like 36) in those predatory terms.
@@freewayking3591 and you lack a sense of empathy and selfish This guy respects himself he doesn't need so so young so he can control easily his smart and mature enough to get grown ups You know only stupid weak men can't handle a strong woman
I'm a red pilled guy & I agree with the 19:54 minutes of this video, but I'm still not listening to a woman, who's single, a party girl, promiscuous(or had multiple bf's), smoker, drinker(or alcoholic) or drug abuser...etc on how to get women
I was really concern about Marni Kinrys, cause all she does is advertise on her website. So I came to this video looking for answers if she's a scammer or not. I don't think I'll go Marni teachings due to a huge amount of time about advertising her training programs, but I so want to know more about what makes a good relationship.
Brad, towards the end there is a bit where you are twirling a woman. Is there a specific twirling technique that you use to pick up women? (Ps. Great vid, really enjoyed it, thanks)
This material about PUAs is spot on. But sometimes I feel like you need to consider why stuff that you think is wrong happens in the first place beyond just *men are bad.* Women also contribute A LOT to this whole situation.
Honestly casey zander has really good content, he doesn't focus on just women but helps with buisness, semen retention building the body, stacking your finances and other things that are waaaayyy more important than women I definitely reccomend checking out his channel or even his programs
yes I commented basically the same thing... if you cherry pick his worst video than yeah he looks like a total misogynist dick (genuinely felt bad for his girlfriend), but I've also seen some of his videos where he encourages men to follower their purpose & build a life with a compatible woman and stop trying to pick up woman at bars for one night stands, and that literally the opposite advice of some of these other creepy ass coaches
This video makes sex seem like something scary men inflict on innocent women. These infield videos show just how difficult it is being a man. These guys are roaming the streets acting like panhandlers trying to find a girl. It’s not entitlement it’s embarrassment. Men don’t like embarrassing themselves begging for a chance to buy her a coffee.
Hello, mr. Gage. I found this channel by accident, while searching information about toxic masculinity. I have fallen to its traps due to it being part of the culture that I have grown in. I haven't seen and heard men talking about this topic and I'm genuinely impressed. I watched several of the videos in this channel and they really made me think and rethink some of my values. Live long and prosper.
Hi Alexander! I'm so glad the videos connect with where you're at right now. I recognize the "toxic" tendencies in my own upbringing and adult life too, which is why I've made a commitment to talking about them from an empathetic POV as much as possible. Thanks for letting me know the content may be helpful, even a little bit.
The only men that can be honest and straight blunt with women and still be successful are celebrities or rich men. Other than that your gonna have to lead her on a bit. Maybe you might end up really liking her. But if your talking with a quality girl and you come out and tell her hey all I want is sex. Than the chances of her dropping you are high. And who’s to say they are honest with men anyways. You don’t have to be cruel. But you can just say your open to anything and your going with the flow. It’s that simple
Hey Brad, I thoroughly enjoyed your PUA video (the opinion opener and false time constraint acting was spot on ngl). I agree with you that PUAs are dead and some of the principles they teach can be objectifying women, seeing them as prey, and are just disgusting such as the cat comparison and negs. But it seems very disingenuous of you to make these one-sided arguments towards some of these dating coaches you mentioned in the video. To be clear, I too find people like Russell Hartley and Jesse Jhaj quite terrible and dishonest human beings, but it doesn't seem fair to your viewers to only show the negative side of these dating coaches (with mild positive points on James Marshall and Casey Zander) . With James Marshall (Natural Lifestyle), you seemingly handpicked his rejection infield clips to suit your narrative. What about his other interactions where women enjoyed talking to him? Clips where women gave their numbers in the end? It's ironically manipulative of you to only show the awkward and cringy side of these dating coaches. The same goes for Austen Summers and A.G Hayden. Both these coaches teach guys how to fix social anxiety and to be real and honest with women. Both also focus on getting a woman's "enthusiastic" consent and facing social fears by trying things that are uncomfortable and scary (as you said). Lastly, you can't simply say Simple Pickup are bad people just from their abc news interview. Despite Jesse's shameful downfall after leaving Simple Pickup, they inspired thousands of guys to improve their social life before (you can see a video on them by "Jay Law" on RUclips). This video was biased and disingenuous on your part, and I hope you do better in discussing both sides of an argument in the futures as not everything is simply black and white.
Finally someone says this. They just want to make money and are offending to women. Everytime a Pua talked to me on the street,I thought he wanted to sell something. Like these vacuum cleaner seller who go from house to house. It so cringe.
Personality is important but no where near as physical attractiveness or status (I was a ugly duckling).Being empathetic and selfaware with women you are interested in is good but being sympathetic,compassionate, self depreciating, sharing your fears and insecurties or being vulnerable isn't. This isn't the case with female friends however because you are not trying to attract them since they're just your friends. You brought up some interesting points however so do they and also so do the mgtows .Personally I think the best way to approach dating would be with 45% red pill 20% blue pill and 10% black pill 25% white pill.
Different women are attracted to different types of men. "Being sympathetic,compassionate, self depreciating, sharing your fears and insecurties or being vulnerable isn't." This attracts me, like it does many other women. And some women like stoic tough guys who don't express emotions or show vulnerability. I find that a turn off. Women are individuals.
@@alanamontero4743 finally someone talking sense. This online world of having a 'system' for everything and treating life and dating like a one size fits all programme is utter bullshit. It's so sad.
I’m really enjoying these videos. The message is great and thanks for highlighting the female input you’ve had on putting them together. However, I think the most engaging part of the videos are when you speak directly to camera, either when offering good advice or dismissing harmful behaviour. Would it be possible to feature a female co-host to really help push the point home? Otherwise it’s yet more advice on what women want delivered by a guy, even if that advice is really thoughtful, considered and sanctioned by your female collaborators. Keep up the good work!
If the subject calls for it, i'll definitely be bringing women on to talk about them. The point of me doing these is a response to the core problem - men only really listen to men about these things. So, that's why, while it is another guy talking about these subjects, I try to filter them with a more empathetic perspective. Thanks for checking it out!
That’s a good point. I hadn’t really considered this. I suppose if you’re aiming these videos at guys that listen to pick up artists then they’re more inclined to take advice from men.
@@tromanlocksmiths There is no understanding here. No empathy. You guys don't actually care. If it's not your perspective, it's invalid. You're the Fox News of investigation. Btw, science is on our side. ruclips.net/video/PKVuIWMaEK0/видео.html
@@RealFeelsProject Just don't. It would be like Bill OReily investigating pickup. These "gurus" you found, most of us actual puas have never even heard of. Just the most obscure dudes ever. Just leave us alone, us guys have had enough of your "help and advice."
If a man isn't already fit, above or above average in looks, over 6 ft, none of this nonsense works. The scam is average and below average men give these men money because they're 'sales pitched' into believing it too can 'work' for them. Not a chance. Confidence learning and training, good. But you can have a world of confidence, and if you're sub 2-3 in looks, it will simply not matter.
@@gingerfellah5665 But that is subjective. We have to chat in 'general trends' Objectively, women like tall dark and handsome, and thank goodness women have the options. But saying 'you like this and such' that is great for you. But it is not a general trend.
I've just found this rabbit hole of modern snakeoil salesmen, it's insane. I understand giving general advice, The Black Hokage runs a solo podcast and talks about lots of ways to feel better or do better but his brand is based on a lot more than that. These guys that are selling how to get laid tips are scams to say the least, funny as heck though I wheezed numerous time in the video from the absurd statements these "coaches" are giving. Great video
Being myself never worked for me when I was a beta, corny, nice guy. Once I took the red pill and learned alpha behavior my life changed and I never struggled with women again. You fake it at first but once you understand it more and more you get used to it so it becomes a new part of your personality, now I'm a better version of myself. I got rid of my insecurities and scarcity mindset and developed my self confidence.
@@reneesimone6667 Hell no, but unfortunately even treating them bad works better than being nice, so that's why a lot of guys get comfortable being assholes. But this is not what is taught by coaches, it's all about balance.
All youtube coaches are crap. Not only there are men that have this weird forceful and even illegal strategies, but a lot of female coaches that tell you to connect, then finally ask out or whatever. You could find out a lot about then and have great benign conversations, but in the end, would they want to go out with you? _No_ It feels like they are all taking advantage of hopeless men who haven't experienced love.
That's because these dating coaches themselves haven't experienced love, so what we hear from them is frustration and projection of past traumas upon women. Hope they get better.
The problem with all these styles of pua stuff and the criticisms of such is that there never seems to be a good answer for any people getting together romantically. Just more micromanaging of whatever interactions people have to make it seem like there's like some puritanical viewpoint society must adhere to for overall acceptance in romantic interactions. It's like the rabbithole of alpha male pua manosphere stuff is no better than the sphere of critics that dispense no better advice for actually human connection in the dating/hookup culture world than people have in extremes of political leanings.
Sir, you are no Beta. You are a smart, sweet, funny ginger. Sorry, if that sounds weird, you remind me of a younger version of my husband. I wish you all the best!
Of course they are not the full package, no-one is perfect! You need to have multiple mentors & coaches & make your own style, you can't replicate them exactly. I personally like Zander & J Marshall, Coach Corey Wayne, Dan Bacon and so on
Picking up girls isn't ultimately that complicated. Walk over to girl, open mouth, show interest with words you say, invite her to do something with you. There you go, all you really need to know.
And if she’s not interested, just be cool about it and move on. Or if she is interested, but only platonically, that’s okay too. You can still enjoy a cool new friendship, and maybe you’ll meet someone through your new friend, you never know
One critique I'd give this video is that there's a whole class of women out there who are lonely, single, and really really sad about the fact that no man approaches her. Because you cannot tell if a woman has a bf/partner/husband just by looking, you have to talk to them, someone has to be the one to initiate the conversation... Yeah, don't cat call, slap asses and be obviously egregious, but really, really are we going to say saying "Hi, you're beautiful to me, ... oh you're too busy ok bye" is "Physical Assault" ? ... Seems a bit over the top
Most of these type of women are either introverted and don't want to be approached in public, or they are on online dating apps, and they still don't want to be approached in public..
He never said that that last thing you mentioned was physical assault. He said James Marshall was ‘assaulting’ (to use Brad Gage’s words) the boundaries of women he found attractive
The comments on the videos are much much worse. Reality is women are no different to men and it either works or it doesn’t. It almost appears incel like…
Now I agree James Marshall has a bad game and most of the industry is BS. Him talking the way he does to the girls on the street can be hardly considered and "assault on personal space". Awkward, annoying yes, an assault? No. You are belittling real harassment with that framing.
I don’t even buy into these programs with my money. I just get the knowledge and put into action. Buy a pick up artist program with your own money is a waste of time. Free knowledge on RUclips is the best way to go. Men and Women aren’t perfect. We all make mistakes. Just don’t take pick up too far. My goal is to get a few girlfriends and get married.
The problem is that guys like this one here is a symptom of society not caring about what men are going through. They only look at the crappy puas and say "see pickup is bad, now think like us!" They dont want to see the good and helpful stuff that is literally saving hundreds of men's and women's lives. Yes, pickup is SAVING LIVES. I urge you to check these vids that look at pua from a balanced and scientific point of view. ruclips.net/video/sN1HbiTD_Bg/видео.html ruclips.net/video/PKVuIWMaEK0/видео.html
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You missed one of the most important issues - these "coaches" charge thousands of dollars, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars for their programs including online programs. Many of them used to work in sales/marketing and they will prey on guys insecurities to get them to buy in even if it means taking out a loan to do so. There's a lot of men's dating groups or even self-improvement groups on Facebook where these guys will friend everyone in the group and take advantage of someone who makes a vulnerable by DMing them just to make a high-pressure sales pitch. It's an even bigger scam than MLMs.
I thought this was equal to MLM scams. But it's bigger. Damn. I know dating coaches oops hoaxes just like your upline tells you to Cold Contact. That is creepy and awkward and rude. Because in westernized societies people are closed off and they don't let you in. They tell you you have to make hundreds of approaches and if you don't get more than 1 and you are busting your tail they tell you that you need to do more and adjust or tweak something when in fact it wasn't your fault. It is the society we live in that isn't open.
THIS^^^ 100%
Yup!
They take advantage of all these men, and yet no red flag.
So disgusting!
Yes, they rely on FAILURE, not success to drive their income stream. It's always, "Oh, that didn't work for you? Then try my TURBO-CHARGED MEET WOMEN PROGRAM! Only $199!. I normally charge $1500 for the this program". If you ever see this, a question to ask yourself is , "Well if he/she ripped clients off for $1300, what will they rip me off for?" I would also suggest you do a search for the "guest dating/relationship experts" they sometimes bring into telecons. Marni Kynris keeps trotting out this woman who is "...a Shaman and polyamorous". THOSE are her qualifications.
In fact, you can find guys on RUclips who specialize in MARKETING for "dating"/"life" coaches, so they can pull down "$10-20K a month!" Sounds like folks who really feel coaching is a calling instead of an MLM/Money Funnel.
Finally, testimonials/anecdotes are NOT data. Again using Ms. Kynris as an example her disclaimer states, "For dating ENTERTAINMENT purposes only.." and later, "Winggirl reserves the right to EDIT testimonials, which become the property of Winggirl Method."
Dating is an area where I dont think you can learn by listening to other people. You have to go out and experience for yourself.
I agree 100% Thanks bro
Agreed
Agreed. Not everyone meets the same way or is attracted to the same things
It’s true what works for you probably won’t work for me, but there are some universals that don’t work for anyone. Not screwing things up is half the battle.
@@sloebone7399 I’d say a universal rule that can be learned before you fuck up is to always be honest about your intentions. Don’t share everything over text, don’t sext unless she initiates it, and don’t be disrespected.
Like wtf does that guy even mean 'teach this to your sons' ? Does he mean the sons you pay child support on because you had them accidently during a one night stand with a woman who you have nothing in common with whom you tricked into bed? None of these guys is advertising how to find a real relationship with someone you plan to stick with so that sons shit is baffling to me.
LMAO true
The man didn’t “trick” anybody into bed as long as it’s consensual and she wasn’t under the influence. You can’t put the whole blame on the man for being charismatic while the woman blindly ignored the obvious red flags and still slept with him because her SHE wanted to as well or she chose him using superficial standards. Let’s be fair about how stupid both sexes are when it comes to one night stands and it’s associated consequences. That’s dangerous, you guys act like women have no sense of agency and are all totally oblivious despite-them being adults
@@9525joe Pickup artists are not charismatic. That’s why they don’t get laid.
A friend of mine got the "fat" message on Tinder once. What did she do? She hit "report".
Good for her
she did something there
DIET COKE PATRICK BATEMAN LMAO the accuracyyy
Can you be my girl?
@@tanveerabbasi2637 desperate shit can
Watching those men (AND that one girl) trying to pickup random people at the street was actually physically uncomfortable to watch. Yikesey yikes
😬
He picked the most cringe worthy videos he could find. Two people meeting and having a nice conversation wouldn’t support his conclusions.
@@sloebone7399 Agreed. The cold approaches he showed are incredibly uncomfortable to watch. Whenever guys use cringy lines, stay in conversations where the women are clearly uninterested and uncomfortable, and get physical (I mean wtf) it's incredibly hard to watch. I got serial-killer vibes watching this (natural lifestyle is a great example of this, holy shit). But it doesn't have to be that way. If you learn to talk to strangers in a respectful way (and don't do any of the above), most interactions end up being short, PLEASANT conversations even if they don't lead to anything. Fluid social has some great examples of this. This "it's not okay to talk to strangers and show interest" bullshit a lot of people spew is ridiculous. Although in defence of the guy who made this video, these interactions were very creepy and not the way to do it lol. And I agree, a lot of youtube-pickup artists are scammers, liars, and bad people. You can show interest in women without coming from a predatory mindset and trying to get something from them.
I normally do not need coaches...however I decided it might be a good idea and scheduled a 30 min call with one of the relationship "experts" on youtube. the call was free. he called me and our call lasted 15 minutes. Basically it was a sales pitch and his session costs about $500. Needless to say I did not pay for it. And decided not to pursue this venue. In my case I will go with my gut feeling and with the advice of my family members. They are not into helping you bit into making money.
thank you for analysing some of these cringey tactics and telling the truth about them. they do make women feel uncomfortable and pressured. one of the biggest problems is the lack of emphasis on consent.
the fact they all also compare women to animals. ugh.
Sex without consent is covered by our criminal justice system.
@@sloebone7399 justice systems fail, have corruptible elements and are subject to bias like misogyny. Let's not pretend it's a good system when so many r2pists are overlooked by the courts globally.
@@Artlesbi - The system in all our civilized nations puts that crime in the same punishment category as murder. It’s a very serious crime and it’s treated that way, but that also means we have to raise the standards of proof. You can’t just send someone to prison for 10 years because he didn’t pick up on your discomfort. They’re not handling out speeding tickets here.
Consent can’t be such a moving target. If a woman feels pressured or uncomfortable, she needs to end the encounter in no uncertain terms. People are not mind readers. No one can hear the “no” you don’t say. Consent is also stating, in no uncertain terms, when you don’t give consent. Stating your lack of consent means that escalating the encounter further would be a crime. “No!” Has much more power than “yes
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@@sloebone7399 what are you trying to say? i don't understand what the point of your text is. It sounds like you're defending r2pist's for not "picking up" on NO. Not to mention if you're unsure you can ASK them if they consent or not. You sound like the type i would avoid. too many legal concerns and no empathy for the victims, just the excuses for the perpetrators. Additionally where i live there's no real prison time for r2pe or murder so don't generalize without doing extensive research. There are many article's on google i can send you but i think you should do your own research. there are thousands of court cases with no prison time like the Drew Clinton case where he confessed to the crime but still had no punishment. You answer is uninformed at best.
The ways some of these guys approach women are downright terrifying and would have me reaching for my pepper spray.
And you’ll notice they all get the response they obviously deserve.
Or my colt python.
PUA was always a get rich quick scam but when you counter is 'be yourself' most guys are just going to laugh because when women say that they are envisioning a guy who they are already attracted to.
As do men. Men usually don't want to be with (sexually or romantically) a woman they're not physically/sexually attracted to, even if she has a wonderful personality. That's how sexual attraction works. However, if she already finds you somewhat attractive, being yourself can increase the attraction. And not being yourself can destroy your chances with someone who was initially attracted to you.
You are never going to attract all women. The point is to increase your opportunities with women who do find you physically attractive.
Obviously. Just because you exist doesn't mean that a woman will guaranteed to be attracted to you. People have varying tastes and women are people, after all.
And there are dating coach's for women that tell us how to get the guy. Some of it involves one on one coaching for $100.00 an hour and that is cheap
"He doesn't respect the opinions of women". I wouldn't say this is malicious. You don't ask a fish how to catch it, you ask a fisherman. Also be honest ladies, if a man asked you what he had to do to get you, all of the interest/attraction you might have had would be gone in an instant, cause he should know already. Thats why I would never ask for a girls advice or opinion. Not only do you look like a chump in her eyes, but you likely won't get anything valuable. Attraction and arousal arent the same thing.
The difference between a woman and a fish is that you don't ask a fish for consent, so that analogy falls flat
@@javiinkling695 I don't get what this has to do with consent though, I meant it in terms of seducing/getting a woman consentually?
@@Тапи-щ7н Well yeah, it was kind of a weird answer so I'll give you that... but the thing is, you need to hear the advice of a woman at some point in your life when it comes to dating, and that also goes for women needing to hear the advice of a man because it gives you an idea of the perspective of the other sex when it comes to heterosexual dating. And also, you don't ask your own date for advice, you usually can ask a friend, acquaintance or even family member of the opposite sex for this kind of advice
@@javiinkling695 alright, now I'm genuinely curious why you think it's important to ask the opposite sex. I can only speak from experience, which is why I said what I said. All the women in my life, be it female friends, mother or cousins, tell me generic garbage like be nice, be kind, do this do that. Its always about me having to do stuff for others, but when I insist someone does something for me, a girl would tell me: why would you do that, why would you say that and so on. It wasn't until I dove into the manosphere when someone finally told me that gifts, being nice and being yourself doesn't get you anywhere.
@@Тапи-щ7н I already said it, it's to have an idea of what a girl might expect from you if the women you knew told you to be yourself and be nice it's because most women expect a man to be honest about themselves and be a good person to be with
Oh geez, I actually got sad watching the girl with Casy Zander. She looked more and more crushed with every interruption.
Same
Go actually watch his full video instead of this edited version that only shows the parts where he is kinda rude and interups her. Nobodys perfect but atleast he somewhat teached men to be better versions of themselves.
That’s his live in girlfriend of over a year. She’s also his main / only source of credibility as a “relationship expert”.
Aww these guys don't even know shit about cats. That makes me even sadder for some reason.
That's the same reason why they don't get any pussy.
Don’t self deprecate. Let’s be realistic there are toxic women out there who like the toxic bullshit advice and respond to it positively. But all women like men who believe in themselves have confidence and do not self deprecate. You can laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously, but never self deprecating.
Notice which girls respond in a sour way and disappear over time
@@usernameluis305 Notice men who subscribe to these dating coaches to literally manipulate women and ignore consent
I'll be honest, I know People who aren't super confidence and have gfs, it was never that deep to begin with. Movies, culture, and gender expectations make it seem that way. But if a girl genuinly likes you and her mentality doesent revolve around bull shit, They'll likely accept you for who you are
@@abeltesfaye_ - Nobody takes the dating coaches seriously. Look at the video, those women are literally running away from these guys. What guy would want to replicate that?
The one thing none of these dating coaches ever talk about is how unproductive it is to try and meet women at bars/clubs, especially if they are 9s or 10s and you’re an “average Joe.” Funny thing is, if you met these very same women during the day at a public event, an art/music class, a meetup group or thru mutual friends, etc., your chances of getting a date with them are much higher simply because of a common interest you both immediately share and that naturally builds comfort. I’ve dated and had relationships with a handful of beautiful women because of HOW we met - not because I spent hundreds of dollars on dating coaches telling me that I have to do and say x, y & z in order to attract women in bars and clubs 🤷🏻♂️
Imagine being 40 and your ideal age being girls just out of high school. hmm what feels illegal but isn't.
*edit* I seem to be getting a few people not understanding my point or disagreeing with me. So if you fall under either categories I recommend that you watch this guys other video called “why large age gaps can feel gross”
Yo was that guy serious ? That was disgusting and creepy !!!
Well i couldnt blame them.
@@leehoven5687 Wow... that's embarrassing for you to admit.
Well if you read about reproductive biology you will discover that young women are the most fertile in these years 18-27, In fact 90% of a woman's fertile eggs are gone as soon as she turns 30.
So these are facts not opinions, we can use all kinds of shaming tactics because it seems wrong to you or "feels" offensive or whatever.
But that does not remove this is a stated biological fact, so there is no way to remove the fact that most men want women who are in their healthiest and fertile years, it's hardwired, there's no way of removing this it is hardwired into our brains.
@@franciscor390 First of all 18 and 27 are two very different things. Yes biologically 18 year olds are more fertile but are you really giving men that little credit. That they cant help themselves but go after barely adult young girls in the name of reproduction. If you are 40 years old and probably already have kids I doubt you are seeking out 18 year olds to procreate, its just an excuse. People who use that excuse should have more self control. Many men can find women in there own age range and if they want someone younger it wont be a 25 year age gap.
Casey Zanders is the realest one out there. He is not bullshiting nor a creepy pickup artist that teaches young men to fuck women 24/7. Self control over your life, having healthy physique and confidence is what he actually teaches. He is definitely helping out young men on not just dating but life itself. I recommend checking out his channel but remember if you don’t like it, it is completely fine. As this video said not every men and women are the same but majority will to tend like certain aspects of the opposite sex.
seems like the only one that people are defending, and I agree - Casey has put out some amazing work and he doesn't encourage men to go out and try to rack up a body count or hit on young woman at bars, he literally says find your purpose and be a man of value and you will naturally attract a woman of value. They did cherry pick his worst video that makes him look like a misogynist dick tho lol but I would rather listen to him than any of these other creeps by a wide margin
such legit though. They're ALL frauds. all of them
He scammed me with the 270$ 60% off around Christmas when he had his big sale all I got was webinars emails and no slide show no secrets and he keep sending me emails about how these men were successful and not sending me a damn thing and who tf is gonna pay 4,000$ on getting women the only better way is to self improve yourself and talk to women
casey zander got his sister to back him up and say girls don't like feminine boys, but that's not universally true.
Some women don't that is ultimately true but i've met a few over my years who actually find it attractive. it depends on the girl.
but what I wanted to say is hanson has a huge female fandom and so does tokio hotel and I know you guys will cringe if you hear his stuff as american boys but so does long haired feminine gil ofarim (out of my bed.) those guys would not be as popular as they are if women universally found femininity to be a turn off.
Casey Zander too like the thing that makes me so skeptical i just that he like me is running a startup online but it's litterally just a family that is all essentially of course backing each other because I mean Why wouldn't his sister say he was totally right? She's not only biased but has an financial incentive to say he is. be skeptical.
This "pick up" coaches are harmful for women AND MEN.
Most dating coaches are just good marketers and that's it.
Whats the name of the movie with the guy saying "What!?"?
"That's My Boy"
@@RealFeelsProject Isn't that the one where a teacher rapes a student and then everyone cheers?
@@guidestone1392 yup, and it’s disgusting that that was played for humor. I’m kind of shocked that that same Director (Sean Anders) also went on to direct Instant Family, which was SO much better
Why aren't women honest about what turns them on sexually? That's why a lot of men go down the PUA route after trying the "nice guy, be yourself (which usually means video gamer who will be super faithful and caring who will be happy to focus on you as a woman)".
That right there is the problem. Not every woman is interested sexually in the same thing. I noticed that you mentioned women’s sexual interests and men trying the “nice guy method”. Are men being “nice guys” because they are or are they using it as a method to get sex? If they are using that method to get sex, they are manipulative and deceptive. Women can sense that. No one likes to be manipulated, deceived or conned. You aren’t the ideal partner if you do such things.
, some do, are timid, and some get caught up in the romance fans instead of worrying about they truly want. You talk to the woman in your life and not a stranger about your relationships
18:51 like what is wrong with this dude? what's the point in making a video with someone and then interrupt them every 20 seconds? I bet this guy's parents can't tolerate him let alone women he is trying to date.
She is a paid model
I’m sure her parents love him
I can't speak for the rest of these people, but I have watched Casey Zanders tube and from the view videos I have seen he has some extreme views... and by that I mean extremely helpful. He doesn't just focus on dating or attraction videos, but very important subject, like semen retention. He seems to have respect for woman (at least he thinks he does), but he does believe that we are biologically & mentally very different which makes some of his statements... questionable, & I agree it is very irritating & cringe worthy to see him interrupt his GF because it seems like hes trying too hard to seem "alpha" in the video for his viewers when behind the scenes the relationship dynamic seems more equal than he wants to admit. But nonetheless, with that being said appreciate that his takeaway message is almost always "stop trying to pick up chicks at the bar for one night stands, find your purpose and focus on that and you will attract the woman right for you". I find nothing misogynist or creepy about that message in particular In fact quite the opposite of what some of these other sad chumps are telling men...
What is the appeal of paying for a dating coach other than if you're a virgin with 0 clue on women?? Most dating coaches give you advice on how to get women drunk at a bar or club and take them home... Why would anybody need advice on how to get with women who have huge body counts and who are willing to go have sex with a guy paying for her drinks all night?? If I had a gun to my head and was forced to pay for a dating coach, I would rather pay for a female relationship dating coach..
The problem with Casey is he has no credentials and no source of credibility. And the “Uncle C” thing is downright cringe worthy. He actually puts his little sister in front of the camera to talk about NOFAP. it’s a weird channel.
@@sloebone7399 yeah he’s a fraud
I'm mixed. PUAs are very scammy especially with how much they charge to try to teach guys.
The modern dating world is a lot different than 60 years ago.
That being said the best thing I guy can do is have a great physique and be physically attractive then use that to approach women directly.
In short, to attract women, you have to be an attractive option. You need to invest in yourself not only physically, but mentally and emotionally and have a strong sense of self worth.
One area where these dating coaches do get it right is that appearing needy is a romance killer. Don't be needy. Show that you are interested in someone, but that you don't need them. And dating is a numbers game. Having social skills, looks, wit, charm, confidence, social intelligence, etc. making dating easier. I think many of the better dating coaches try to improve people who are lacking in those skills.
Another thing is the have a mission and a passion. That is have something that drives you internally, and not for external validation.
@@damnyankeega Totally agree. The coaches or RUclipsrs pushing the inner investments, while also staying aware and empathetic to the female experience of dating, are out there and doing the good work.
@@RealFeelsProject yup, like Anthony Recenello for instance. He’s helped me a lot :)
Confidence and money, the 2 best dating tips- fact.
Elon Musk himself could propose me marriage, but if his junk is under 7" long, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. Big junk above all things.
First, you will have to define 'assault' because it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Take into account that none of this stuff works, it’s a lot of very expensive nonsense with marketing designed to part a desperate man with his money. They’re fleecing men.
Also why are women turned off by guys who make the woman the focus? How is any of that a bad thing? Logically in a partnership you'd want your other half to make you the focus, right?
I hear you, but I also feel women contributed to this. New age Feminism was the downfall of societal constructs.
Thank you!
Amen.
Yeesh, these coaches are so disconnected from reality. Look forward to your breakdown, watching as we speak
Edit: what Marni said and your outro were both great. not to mention dellor lol
Thanks! It's wild to me that any guy would think listening to women about how to better connect with them was a bad idea.
You're the reason more guys than ever have gone mgtow and pickup.
A woman telling you you're wrong.
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@@rubenjr4908 lol
@@EMMA-GAMES Lol to your wage gap too.
@@rubenjr4908 says a lot about you, not just this message, the previous one, yeesh.
Not only are these so-called tips by dating coaches harmful to women, but they are also harmful to the men consuming them - and I am not only talking about their wallets, but about their psychological well-being. It's a "game" wherein only the dating coaches win, while men and women lose. The harsh reality is that some of use won't find a match for a long time or ever. It's simple math paired with the complexity of falling in love, attraction and so on. Anyone has the chance to find a great person - great, as in pretty, wealthy, funny, sporty, outdorsy, amitious etc. etc. etc. - BUT while anyone has the chance, not everyone will! And no dating coach will change that! It's like capitalism. Anyone CAN become a millionaire, but not EVERYone! The sooner you deal with that reality and search for ways to lead a happy life WHETHER OR NOT you find a partner, the better.
So says you lol
@@watitduful
Jup, so says I.
The level of delusion in these "pick up" videos is fascinating.
I agree ,its unbelievable to think people are like this
Lol. You havent seen the right channels then. Owen Cook is amazing check him out
They’re probably histrionic or narcissistic
Wait you mean being a creepy ass hole won't make guys the next Don Juan... I'm so not shocked
@Amber Lee
Not their fault they don't know how to engage woman... No wait... It kinda is.
That mid-30's dude talking about "pulling" 18-20 year olds into bed is so uncomfortable for me. I'm 25 and I can't see an 18 or 19 year old sexually because all I can think about are my younger cousins, and how girls of those ages are younger than them. So they just seem like kids. Yet there he is, talking about girls that could potentially be his daughters (going straight from looks, he looks like 36) in those predatory terms.
You’re either lying (simp) or just a straight up beta.
@@freewayking3591 and you lack a sense of empathy and selfish
This guy respects himself he doesn't need so so young so he can control easily his smart and mature enough to get grown ups
You know only stupid weak men can't handle a strong woman
I'm a red pilled guy & I agree with the 19:54 minutes of this video, but I'm still not listening to a woman, who's single, a party girl, promiscuous(or had multiple bf's), smoker, drinker(or alcoholic) or drug abuser...etc on how to get women
Right?? What would a WOMAN know about women?
You’d rather listen to a woman who has a bf? Way to contradict yourself
Women don’t know what they want lol. They’re too indecisive
Just stumbled upon your channel and I fuckin love it dude!
Hey! I fuckin love this comment!
Your channel needs way more subs! The fact that it doesn't have them is quite telling of how many men fall under these manipulative spells
It’s more telling of the people who reject thinly veiled feminist propaganda.
@Abel Tesfaye
I have been writing the same thing.
It says a LOT and it is F up that it's a fact.
lolll the spinning bit is killing me
21:53
yup. you are
8:20 is there anything wrong with what he's doing? I don't think he's harassing them
Jesus your clapped
Ironically came across a dating coach ad before this video started.
I was really concern about Marni Kinrys, cause all she does is advertise on her website. So I came to this video looking for answers if she's a scammer or not. I don't think I'll go Marni teachings due to a huge amount of time about advertising her training programs, but I so want to know more about what makes a good relationship.
Brad, towards the end there is a bit where you are twirling a woman. Is there a specific twirling technique that you use to pick up women?
(Ps. Great vid, really enjoyed it, thanks)
just keep twirling and twirling....and twirling and twirling...until they KNOW that they're having fun
@@RealFeelsProject always twirling, twirling, TWIRLING! Towards freedom!
This material about PUAs is spot on. But sometimes I feel like you need to consider why stuff that you think is wrong happens in the first place beyond just *men are bad.* Women also contribute A LOT to this whole situation.
Not to mention that all these guys all have courses to scam you out of your money😂
Every time he interrupts her I want to smack his forehead and tell him to let her finish
Omg, me too. Or have Edna Mode slap him with a newspaper and tell him that
Honestly casey zander has really good content, he doesn't focus on just women but helps with buisness, semen retention building the body, stacking your finances and other things that are waaaayyy more important than women I definitely reccomend checking out his channel or even his programs
yes I commented basically the same thing... if you cherry pick his worst video than yeah he looks like a total misogynist dick (genuinely felt bad for his girlfriend), but I've also seen some of his videos where he encourages men to follower their purpose & build a life with a compatible woman and stop trying to pick up woman at bars for one night stands, and that literally the opposite advice of some of these other creepy ass coaches
3:11 THE FULL BODY CRINGE THAT I DID....
This video makes sex seem like something scary men inflict on innocent women. These infield videos show just how difficult it is being a man. These guys are roaming the streets acting like panhandlers trying to find a girl. It’s not entitlement it’s embarrassment. Men don’t like embarrassing themselves begging for a chance to buy her a coffee.
Diet Coke Patrick Bateman?
That reminds me, I have some videos to return :)
Hello, mr. Gage. I found this channel by accident, while searching information about toxic masculinity. I have fallen to its traps due to it being part of the culture that I have grown in. I haven't seen and heard men talking about this topic and I'm genuinely impressed. I watched several of the videos in this channel and they really made me think and rethink some of my values. Live long and prosper.
Hi Alexander! I'm so glad the videos connect with where you're at right now. I recognize the "toxic" tendencies in my own upbringing and adult life too, which is why I've made a commitment to talking about them from an empathetic POV as much as possible. Thanks for letting me know the content may be helpful, even a little bit.
18:58 notice how upset she's getting, you see it in her face, body language, and can even hear how defeated she feels.
There are lots of ad in the video.
The only men that can be honest and straight blunt with women and still be successful are celebrities or rich men. Other than that your gonna have to lead her on a bit. Maybe you might end up really liking her. But if your talking with a quality girl and you come out and tell her hey all I want is sex. Than the chances of her dropping you are high. And who’s to say they are honest with men anyways. You don’t have to be cruel. But you can just say your open to anything and your going with the flow. It’s that simple
Awesome video bro thanks
Hey Brad, I thoroughly enjoyed your PUA video (the opinion opener and false time constraint acting was spot on ngl). I agree with you that PUAs are dead and some of the principles they teach can be objectifying women, seeing them as prey, and are just disgusting such as the cat comparison and negs. But it seems very disingenuous of you to make these one-sided arguments towards some of these dating coaches you mentioned in the video.
To be clear, I too find people like Russell Hartley and Jesse Jhaj quite terrible and dishonest human beings, but it doesn't seem fair to your viewers to only show the negative side of these dating coaches (with mild positive points on James Marshall and Casey Zander) .
With James Marshall (Natural Lifestyle), you seemingly handpicked his rejection infield clips to suit your narrative. What about his other interactions where women enjoyed talking to him? Clips where women gave their numbers in the end? It's ironically manipulative of you to only show the awkward and cringy side of these dating coaches. The same goes for Austen Summers and A.G Hayden. Both these coaches teach guys how to fix social anxiety and to be real and honest with women. Both also focus on getting a woman's "enthusiastic" consent and facing social fears by trying things that are uncomfortable and scary (as you said).
Lastly, you can't simply say Simple Pickup are bad people just from their abc news interview. Despite Jesse's shameful downfall after leaving Simple Pickup, they inspired thousands of guys to improve their social life before (you can see a video on them by "Jay Law" on RUclips).
This video was biased and disingenuous on your part, and I hope you do better in discussing both sides of an argument in the futures as not everything is simply black and white.
Finally someone says this. They just want to make money and are offending to women. Everytime a Pua talked to me on the street,I thought he wanted to sell something. Like these vacuum cleaner seller who go from house to house. It so cringe.
Ha, I can only imagine! It's exactly the same thing really. Just a sales pitch.
This guy contradicts himself by advocating female dating coaches
Personality is important but no where near as physical attractiveness or status (I was a ugly duckling).Being empathetic and selfaware with women you are interested in is good but being sympathetic,compassionate, self depreciating, sharing your fears and insecurties or being vulnerable isn't. This isn't the case with female friends however because you are not trying to attract them since they're just your friends. You brought up some interesting points however so do they and also so do the mgtows .Personally I think the best way to approach dating would be with 45% red pill 20% blue pill and 10% black pill 25% white pill.
Different women are attracted to different types of men.
"Being sympathetic,compassionate, self depreciating, sharing your fears and insecurties or being vulnerable isn't." This attracts me, like it does many other women. And some women like stoic tough guys who don't express emotions or show vulnerability. I find that a turn off. Women are individuals.
@@alanamontero4743 finally someone talking sense. This online world of having a 'system' for everything and treating life and dating like a one size fits all programme is utter bullshit. It's so sad.
I’m really enjoying these videos. The message is great and thanks for highlighting the female input you’ve had on putting them together. However, I think the most engaging part of the videos are when you speak directly to camera, either when offering good advice or dismissing harmful behaviour. Would it be possible to feature a female co-host to really help push the point home? Otherwise it’s yet more advice on what women want delivered by a guy, even if that advice is really thoughtful, considered and sanctioned by your female collaborators. Keep up the good work!
If the subject calls for it, i'll definitely be bringing women on to talk about them. The point of me doing these is a response to the core problem - men only really listen to men about these things. So, that's why, while it is another guy talking about these subjects, I try to filter them with a more empathetic perspective. Thanks for checking it out!
That’s a good point. I hadn’t really considered this. I suppose if you’re aiming these videos at guys that listen to pick up artists then they’re more inclined to take advice from men.
@@tromanlocksmiths Yes. Or guys who know guys who subscribe to pickup type thinking
@@tromanlocksmiths There is no understanding here. No empathy. You guys don't actually care. If it's not your perspective, it's invalid. You're the Fox News of investigation.
Btw, science is on our side.
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@@RealFeelsProject Just don't. It would be like Bill OReily investigating pickup. These "gurus" you found, most of us actual puas have never even heard of. Just the most obscure dudes ever. Just leave us alone, us guys have had enough of your "help and advice."
Dan Bacon, Corey Wayne and some others are respectful dating coaches
Corey Wayne's advice is good, he is just looks and sounds creepy asf.
If a man isn't already fit, above or above average in looks, over 6 ft, none of this nonsense works. The scam is average and below average men give these men money because they're 'sales pitched' into believing it too can 'work' for them.
Not a chance. Confidence learning and training, good. But you can have a world of confidence, and if you're sub 2-3 in looks, it will simply not matter.
@@gingerfellah5665 But that is subjective. We have to chat in 'general trends' Objectively, women like tall dark and handsome, and thank goodness women have the options. But saying 'you like this and such' that is great for you. But it is not a general trend.
@@gingerfellah5665 Yeah, subjective yea. We like what we like.
@@gingerfellah5665 Red heads. You?
@@gingerfellah5665 But I might be open to negotiations...we'll see.
22:55 This had me dying
My mom watches dating coaches and always pushing it towards me when a break up happens….yeah
I've just found this rabbit hole of modern snakeoil salesmen, it's insane. I understand giving general advice, The Black Hokage runs a solo podcast and talks about lots of ways to feel better or do better but his brand is based on a lot more than that. These guys that are selling how to get laid tips are scams to say the least, funny as heck though I wheezed numerous time in the video from the absurd statements these "coaches" are giving. Great video
We needed this video. Thank you! 🙏
3:15 Minutes in and I'm near throwing up.
Never ask a woman how to pick up women…
bullshit
Being myself never worked for me when I was a beta, corny, nice guy.
Once I took the red pill and learned alpha behavior my life changed and I never struggled with women again. You fake it at first but once you understand it more and more you get used to it so it becomes a new part of your personality, now I'm a better version of myself. I got rid of my insecurities and scarcity mindset and developed my self confidence.
Does alpha behavior mean treating women bad? Because that's what most men believe 😂😂
@@reneesimone6667 Hell no, but unfortunately even treating them bad works better than being nice, so that's why a lot of guys get comfortable being assholes.
But this is not what is taught by coaches, it's all about balance.
@@rockboy360 ok...I'm literally afraid to ask men questions these days because they get so triggered thanks for your civil response
@@reneesimone6667 you're welcome.
Getting triggered would be emotional, which is beta. We're taught not to be reactive and always put logic first.
Are you have healthy, mutual, fulfilling relationships that are good for both participants?
Where’s Coach Corey Wayne?
The best by far. Not selling anything and has the easiest to follow advice.
Please help me with my dating life dude you seem so normal and down to earth
Get her to stop by your house, get her to come in, get her to take her shoes off so she can't run, pour her a glass of wine and cringe
Sounds like rape to me 🤦♀️ these men are delusional
Dictionary definition show otherwise.
poor kid getting bullied by Mickey and Minnie Mouse at 5:30
lol
Awesome video, thank you.
Thank you for helping us avoid these traps
Dating is moronic
Just stumbled on your channel. Please make more videos like this!! I really like your style and approach to YT.
Hey! Thanks! Definitely going to keep making more of these on tougher and tougher subjects.
@@RealFeelsProject awesome man, I look forward to it
All youtube coaches are crap. Not only there are men that have this weird forceful and even illegal strategies, but a lot of female coaches that tell you to connect, then finally ask out or whatever. You could find out a lot about then and have great benign conversations, but in the end, would they want to go out with you? _No_
It feels like they are all taking advantage of hopeless men who haven't experienced love.
That's because these dating coaches themselves haven't experienced love, so what we hear from them is frustration and projection of past traumas upon women. Hope they get better.
Secret Knowledge that is neither secret or knowledge :)
Look at "Mystery" with that ridiculous hat 😆. What a muppet.
The problem with all these styles of pua stuff and the criticisms of such is that there never seems to be a good answer for any people getting together romantically. Just more micromanaging of whatever interactions people have to make it seem like there's like some puritanical viewpoint society must adhere to for overall acceptance in romantic interactions. It's like the rabbithole of alpha male pua manosphere stuff is no better than the sphere of critics that dispense no better advice for actually human connection in the dating/hookup culture world than people have in extremes of political leanings.
Those guys are so annoying, I tried to press the skip add
Sir, you are no Beta. You are a smart, sweet, funny ginger. Sorry, if that sounds weird, you remind me of a younger version of my husband. I wish you all the best!
7:06 he can’t even spell emotional right 🤣🤣🤣.
8:35 right off the bat that’s not how you should approach a woman or anyone really
Keep it up dude you have so much potential
Heres an idea, listen to mature & respectable men AND women on dating advice, and see where the overlap is.
Of course they are not the full package, no-one is perfect! You need to have multiple mentors & coaches & make your own style, you can't replicate them exactly. I personally like Zander & J Marshall, Coach Corey Wayne, Dan Bacon and so on
How successful are you with your Mordan Dating Life? Well, its Depend on your looks, it's not about how expert with your Game
Bro more "vulnerable" you are the more FRIEND ZONE YOU become
Picking up girls isn't ultimately that complicated. Walk over to girl, open mouth, show interest with words you say, invite her to do something with you. There you go, all you really need to know.
And if she’s not interested, just be cool about it and move on. Or if she is interested, but only platonically, that’s okay too. You can still enjoy a cool new friendship, and maybe you’ll meet someone through your new friend, you never know
XD his last video was the first I saw, and yes I subscribed lolz. I'm obsessed with the train wreck that is pickup culture
Yes! This scratches the same itch for me that Stephen King novels do for normal people.
One critique I'd give this video is that there's a whole class of women out there who are lonely, single, and really really sad about the fact that no man approaches her. Because you cannot tell if a woman has a bf/partner/husband just by looking, you have to talk to them, someone has to be the one to initiate the conversation...
Yeah, don't cat call, slap asses and be obviously egregious, but really, really are we going to say saying "Hi, you're beautiful to me, ... oh you're too busy ok bye" is "Physical Assault" ? ... Seems a bit over the top
Most of these type of women are either introverted and don't want to be approached in public, or they are on online dating apps, and they still don't want to be approached in public..
He never said that that last thing you mentioned was physical assault. He said James Marshall was ‘assaulting’ (to use Brad Gage’s words) the boundaries of women he found attractive
It is NOT. I saw this happen, and it happened to me.
right before watching this video i got a female dating coach ad jfl
The comments on the videos are much much worse. Reality is women are no different to men and it either works or it doesn’t. It almost appears incel like…
I'm ashamed my cat shares the same name as diet coke man
This pua's are weak Men seeking validation from women
Imagine having this guy as your wingman...
Now I agree James Marshall has a bad game and most of the industry is BS. Him talking the way he does to the girls on the street can be hardly considered and "assault on personal space". Awkward, annoying yes, an assault? No. You are belittling real harassment with that framing.
I don’t even buy into these programs with my money. I just get the knowledge and put into action. Buy a pick up artist program with your own money is a waste of time. Free knowledge on RUclips is the best way to go. Men and Women aren’t perfect. We all make mistakes. Just don’t take pick up too far. My goal is to get a few girlfriends and get married.
The problem is that guys like this one here is a symptom of society not caring about what men are going through. They only look at the crappy puas and say "see pickup is bad, now think like us!" They dont want to see the good and helpful stuff that is literally saving hundreds of men's and women's lives. Yes, pickup is SAVING LIVES. I urge you to check these vids that look at pua from a balanced and scientific point of view.
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@@rubenjr4908 😂😂😂😂
I make dating coaching videos to let men away from those u mentioned
Great video btw