Basketball Examined great vid but I think you're understating and over simplifying LeBron's game. We're in an extremely deep, hyper competitive era and LeBron's been the best player in the NBA for over a decade.
Sid Jones It seems more likely, that you're attaching your "LeBron is overrated" opinion, to someone saying _how his game is flawed,_ and took the time to do research. Claiming his work, as your own. Reaching, for justification, in your baseless opinion.
That's why at the time of the true need for a team, he's alone, because he carries everything, he's the center of everything, no team work, no coaching....by the way, he's a bad GM, he makes all the teams he's in to hire players that in the end won't help him much....he needs a "yes sir" coach and a "yes sir" teammate
to do what very few have done... let me get this straight.... he is a bad coach(system), GM, and won't maximise his playing ability because he is ball dominant... and he was in 8 straight finals? what the hell are the other coaches and GM's doing? I don't want to hear that bs about "weak east" there are 14 teams in the east... why couldn't they stop this from happening... hm I wonder? maybe because people are forgetting that a system where the best player gets the ball as many times as possible is a good one! and being the best player maybe of all time... maybe you should have the ball the most? just a thought
He has one legit mark on his resume.... but so does Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Kobe... only the bigs dominate regardless of circumstance.... Kobe in a few playoff series shot under 40% and played horrible as the best player in his last finals appearance... Bird in a finals apearance had under 16 points per game( like Lebron), magic was tragic for a few games early on in his career... Jordan has had multiple playoff games with games under 40% in losses!!! Lebron has a magnifying glass on him right now so... we don't look at things with perspective any more. Lebron has been the best player in every playoff( including finals) series he has been in except the Dallas series.... Be real and not stupid!
MICOLE WHYTE u saying u don't want bron in Philly is so dumb ass nigga lmaoooooo that's what I was saying u talking bout punching me writing essays and shit lol calm down nigga not even all that
This is so on point, the so called analysts try to hype up players just based on a particular choice of stats, you see the big picture! Keep it up bro!
Machiti Holdings just ask many people about bosh in miami or love in cleveland, they would say they're not as good as they were with their other teams as with bron. the lebron system drastically changed their playstyles, however. even bosh admitted love would have a hard time adjusting. part of this is because they don't run real plays, which helps the structure and make the players comfortable in what they do on the court. that's why clarkson and hood are so bad with the cavs. it also doesn't help that they don't play defense. this is all because they don't practice, which would help both of these aspects. with today's free flow style, dominant guards are more successful than dominant bigs. james is great, but still not the GOAT, and by this point, is unlikely to do so.
This is why I always tell people that I’m not impressed with LeBron‘s teams being so bad when he leaves and Michael Jordan‘s teams still being good when he leaves because the team is clearly only built for LeBron to succeed
Hoop Life And Michaels teams weren't? This whole comment section is a joke This video is a joke It doesn't even compare to other teams who've had dominate stars in systems based around them, like the Bulls and 09 n 10 Lakers
Goofy8907 The triangle offense is designed so more players participate in the offense as a playmaker. And Phil Jackson designated Scottie Pippen as the primary ballhandler to initiate that offense with Jordan functioning as the primary scorer. If you want to see what it would look like for Jordan to be in a LeBron-type offense where the entire system ran through him, check out the Bulls 1988-89 season where he averaged 32.5/8/8 and got knocked off in the Eastern Conference Finals by the "Jordan rules" Piston.
jamar reid you said the comparison would be better was Westbrook, Westbrook makes bad passes that leads to steals, and often bricks a lot, that better? Lol
True. Even MJ ran the triangle and moved alot offball. He would be even more effective if he used his gravity offball to help his teammates, he'd get alot of easy baskets too. MJ giving in to the offense and actually understanding its strengths made him even more successful, individually and as a team. The team has more options, and the defense are forced to shut down these other options while MJ got to pick his spots, instead of the simple isolation offense, which is basically what the Rockets also do with Harden now. Sure it's still very effective, enough to get him 3 rings and dominate the East, but on the level of GOAT discussions, it hurts his resume. The MJ led Bulls, even the 80s Lakers and Celtics were fun to watch because they genuinely played as a team, like the dynasty Warriors. That ability to lead a "team" adds to the greatness of GOAT contenders. Only Kyrie really benefited individually from having Lebron because they basically ran, your turn/my turn Lebron system, and Kyrie is just a great isolation player.
I've been saying this for years. Although he has great talent, he often marginalizes his teammates and they can't be effective. He basically turned Bosh and Love into spot up shooters. They were their number #1 options on their respective teams before going to the Cavs and could play back to the basket. You can't have it both ways. He gets the recognition when the team succeeds but complains when the lose cause he doesn't have any help. You have multiple all stars on your team. Who else do you need?
Thuan Tran yeah he def gets it both ways and it goes unnoticed. That heat team was crazy cuz everyone had a distinct role and made an impact on the game. These Cavs teams have been kinda sad, esp without Kyrie, since offense is always abt LeBron. You don't really see anyone else initiating the offense or scoring in a different style.
A-freaking-MEN. And I'm a Laker4Life hoping he gets one more so we can pass the Celtics in titles. The Lakers' 1947 NBL title is not included in the NBA total, but it is still a league championship. I'm just not over-the-moon about him coming here. Pau Gasol was really the last player that the Lakers acquired where everyone saw nothing but upside.
Thuan Tran We all know hes a 'great talent'. Hes also very high IQ knows what it takes to win, you spun the 1 time situation he 'complained' so you could make it a broader point. Another means to criticize further. Clearly you clicked this to hate. "Who else do you need?" Bro, you knew the Cavs weren't on the level of Golden State, LBJ put pressure on the team to add DEPTH, your dumbass ignores that, and say "go beat this team that took you 7 and added Kevin Durant, you got 2 All Stars!". He asked for DEPTH and playmakers, Cavs are a terrible front office and weren't doing anything, he got Deron Williams, and the bum choked vs GSW worse than any other player in those Finals (behind Korver, who they also acquired). since that Moment, he hasnt publicly asked "for more", went out and played all 82 and carried those bums once again w/ No Kyrie, but you still bring it up. Fucking moron.
I have this notion for awhile that he needs to play more off the ball as he ages so that will be less work for him. The LeBron System works but comes up a little bit short because teammates do not feel engaged
RafaelAntihero offensively Lebron led teams have been top 3-4 offenses in the league for some years now. Even last year, they were putting up points agaisnt GSW it’s just the defense that came up short... y’all are really babbling lmfaoo
no eastern teams just don't have an answer for LeBron. there's some ok defenders in the east but really only Kawhi can guard LeBron tbh. KD is a match for LeBron offense and defense. one of LeBron's weaknesses is a rim protector. they used to struggle against the Pacers with Roy Hibbert and the 76ers play good against him with Embiid
Knee-Cola Yo-kitc Kyrie had a lot to do with that as well. Lebron James system always meets a high IQ team in the Finals and is thus exposed. Wilt Chamberlain of our era.
canWego Backintime "bronsexuals" only defend lebron cause he is the best player today... like magic when he was called tragic, like when Jordan was established as someone who could not win a ring because he was unselfish, like Kobe(once he lost shaq) when he was labeled a ball hog, and hurts his teammates... and so on and so forth. people don't want to hear it about lebron, because they believe that he is the greatest of all time... and what is even funnier about what you could think about that is that People who shit on lebron wouldn't have lebron out of the top ten today! and as far as "lebron" system goes... it has proven to be successful!!! and if you don't think it has been then you must think that there are only about 5 successful systems in the last 15 years... the point of an offense is to create the most opportunities, for said team.. Just this last year in the playoffs... the cavs had the most OPEN threes in the playoffs... but having better players(golden state) would lend better results.. meaning better team, better accomplishment. Lebron has had the best team 2 years out of his entire career... people like MJ, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Tim, and others.. had multiple seasons with the best team... but I guess that doesn't matter.
Until Lebron fixes this problem and allows his teammates to be more active, Jordon and Kobe will always be ahead of him. They understood the game on a deeper level.
Who was Phil Jackson before MJ? Had MJ not allowed PJ to coach, people would have said PJ is a sh*tty coach. Same for Mark Jackon or Steve Kerr, who were they before Curry? Curry just let them coach! Heck coach Popovich said upfront that he was thankful that Tim Duncan, TP and Manu let him coach! Maybe if LeBron let those guys coach, they wouldn't be viewed as "sh*tty"...
darkinferno1219 lebron wanted speolstra gone but dwade and may Riley had power in that organization Shows u doesn't matter whether the coach is good or not lebron do whatever he likes
Beautiful shit brother you broke it down to the very last compound. I would have said it like this he failed to do as Duncan does that's allow the coach to coach him and allow the offensive coordinator to put his system in whether it's Princeton, Multi Motions, Triangle or Flex/Floppy or even Hawks or The Fist Series. The superstar don't need a playbook but the inferiors need it this way if any thing happens Injury or emergency the team could move on without him thereby he could always get some real rest because the offense don't fall apart upon his resting. This is why Jordan didn't have to play 40 minutes because the inferiors knew the Triangle Offense enough to carry on 3-5 minutes without Jordan and Pippen but big ups on your explanation.
His approach may be an evolution of Black Empowerment. You can work for someone and get a high paying check every week. Or you work for yourself and get paid inconsistently but you own the business.
Love it. Been saying this for awhile if you look back at his first Finals 07... u can see the team sit and wait for him to make a play and when he tried to give the ball up they just give it back because they are unfamiliar with how to play without him
This is why he hasn't won more. He's great at carrying a shit team on his back. I'd go so far as to say he's the GOAT at carrying a shit team on his back because he can do everything so well. But given talent, those players almost always don't get to let their talent shine. They're basically turned into spot up shooters (Bosh, Love, Wade to a lesser extent, Kyrie wanting to leave). He makes shitty players look better because he carries the team, but he doesn't actually make players better
slamandjam2 you don't know how their practice goes or if he is a great mentor. It's hard to say if he does or does not make them better. I'm pretty sure a lot of NBA players make their teammates better. I'm guessing they say that about LeBron since he is the greatest
slamandjam2 Kyrie didn’t want to leave because of lebron’s play, he left just to move forward in his career, where he was the go to guy. He said that himself
Jason Mantz You do understand you kinda ruined your own point, right? He wanted to be the "go to guy" because in "lebrons play" he couldnt. Where as if Cleveland has a system like golden state, Kyrie probably doesnt have the same issue.
Shining Shores actually I didn’t ruin my own point. The system is not what caused Kyrie to leave. He just wanted to prove that he could lead a team that was good. It’s impossible to be the leader of a team if your teammate is lebron james. And it’s not like lebron’s game made Irving’s worse. Kyrie even took more shots than lebron did. I am just saying Kyrie left because at the end of the day lebron is the better player and no one could argue with that.
I remember players complaining last year about James playing for stats. I think you are right in that the LeBron system marginalizes other players in order to center the teams success around his individual success.
As a huge Lebron fan I always felt that Lebron could have a better finals win percentage if he just gave in to a structure team system... that the only complaint I have about his game...and honestly I’m one of the Lebron who believed the Jordan comparison should have died when he lost to Mavericks 🤷🏾♂️
Great video. I'm a Lebron fan, and it's in the last 12 months that I started to think "This Lebron system isn't as effective as I thought, because it reduced Chris Bosh and Kevin Love's best abilities, and the role players just seemed to not know their place in the offense, especially the season with D Rose, D Wade, Isaiah Thomas, D Williams, etc." It still won Lebron some rings, but I think it's time to find a new system with this Lakers squad, especially if you're wanting to sign AD.
LeBron is this generation Wilt Chamberlain with the gaudy stats n numerous short comings in the finals...but his system is one of the reasons why Kyrie left...also I believe LeBron is putting up these numbers bc he knows he will not catch Jordan on rings so he figure he'll surpass him with numbers....Gr8 video B.E.
To be fair to Wilt, he followed what the coach wanted despite being argumentative at times. If the coach wanted him to shoot all the balls, he did it. Even the 100 point game Wilt did not want to play after 70 points. If the coach wanted him to pass more, he did exactly that and led the league in assists one season. He certainly cared about his stats but this was in an era where you had to base your game around centers anyway. Russell had the opportunity of having a great coach and a great system where everyone was involved. LeBron has all the control in his team but they often play fodder for his individual stats, even though this doesn't have to be the only option.
And LeBron fan's say he is a better leader and teammate than Jordan 😂😂😂 Jordan sacrifice and let Phil utilize him in the triangle offense because it helped his team. He sacrifice individual stats & accolades for team success
This is so true. MJ could have easily continued dropping 35 points a game if he wanted and become the greatest scorer of all time in just 15 seasons played or even less. But instead he became more a team player.
Astronaut Spartan The offensive system implemented by the Chicago Bulls during their championship runs. The offensive would be run by Pippen playing the point forward position. It regulates individual assist numbers but increases ball movement. Jordan's role in the system was to score & defend when on defense. That's why he didn't accumulate huge stats during the 90s because he played a role to truly benefit the team
MJ HAD 2 coaches fired. If it wasn’t for Phil Jackson he would have never changed he would have been like a efficient Westbrook. MJ STARTED WINNING WHEN HE REDUCED HIS BALL HOGGING. And the TRIANGLE OFFENSE WORKS WITH DOMINANT SCORERS. Look at the systems Steve Nash, Magic Johnson and Rondo played its more similar than foes of scorers. Which lebron is
This was "informative" commentary ( most so-called non biased media wont comment on) about the differences of Lebron's actual Basketball skill set short comings. All the greats of the past had to modify their initial pre-NBA strengths to some degree to obtain "winning" at the highest level. Russell, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, Duncan,and even Kobe to a lesser degree had to sacrifice a bit of their own greatness to achieve the sustaining "team winning concept". Some like Russell, Magic, Duncan and Bird had that mentality almost from the start...while MJ and Shaq had to have a coach like Phil Jackson implement a system to Basketball where each player knew their roles and stressed ball movement to keep opponents off balance. Lebron had immediate success using his "Lebron system" from high school into the NBA.....but it translated little into a "team winning concept". Basketball success usually comes from players understanding their roles and significance on the team. MJ'S 1st 3peat Championship Bulls had defined roles in which each stayed within....Pippen was the defensive roamer.....Grant was the rebounder.....Paxson the facilitator and 3 point threat....Cartwright....was the big man presence and Free throw threat......and Jordan was the difference maker who embodied all the others and did what was necessary at crucial game moments ( bench players had similar roles). The 2nd Bulls 3peat had the same dynamic.....and it is no coincedence that Phil Jackson's philosophy helped Shaq and Kobe achieve similar success until that dynamic had a falling out. Lakers showtime...Bird's Celtics....Popovich Spurs.....even today's Golden State Warriors have a similar "team oriented ball movement" philosophy that leads to winning. Can anyone identify the defined roles of Lebron's supporting cast on his winning teams....or even the losing ones? Lebron had an opportunity that few other players had to create a " winning dynasty and legacy" through teaming up in Miami. His reluctance to " grow or change" as a player has been his strength and weakness at the same time. Does the Lebron system make other players better....or does it actually allow other players to make Lebron great. There is a great DVD called 25 years of NBA Champions (1979-2004) which perfectly narrates The beginnings of what many consider the modern NBA to near the cusp of today's game. I encourage those who only have an inclination of that time's players and mentality to check it and Actual available referenced games on RUclips and decide for yourself about the Lebron system and its flaws.
Great video. The next biggest flaw in Lebrons game is turnovers, he will reach 4000 career turnovers faster than anyone in NBA history. His sloppiness cost his teams wins and titles. This is a bigger flaw than his FT %, but not as big a flaw as what this vid demonstrates.
Just use Basketball Reference and look at his career turnovers www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html, also look at www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_career.html all the guys above or near 4k turnovers in their careers did it in 20 years, for example, Lebron will pass up Kobe in just about 20 more games or so , Kobe played 20 years to Lebrons 15.
You're going to reach 4k career turnovers the fastest when you play like LeBron. You just watched a video about how LeBron is the system. He has the ball. He decides what happens to it. This about 80% of the Cavs offense (now and before Miami).
You are correct, he mishandles it a lot due to dominating the ball... , but you need to be corrected on your other supposed point- "fastest to 4k " figures in the games he's played to this point with other players who played the same number of games to that same exact point in their careers, and when compared he is the fastest by far to 4k. It has nothing to do with coming into the game in his teens.. that is irrelevant.
Not all those "faster to *insert stat*" figures factor in minutes, games, seasons or age. It's usually one of those 4 that fits the narrative best. See that a lot, especially with LeBron lol (good and bad).
This is a great video that co-signs what I have always said about LeBron James and that he does not want to be coached. He is a great player but he does not know how to play organized basketball and he basically plays street ball.
Exactly! One thing this video didn't say was that Bosh/Love/Kyrie were Allstars on losing teams. Only Bosh saw the playoffs once and got swept before joining the Heat. LeThanos thought them how to play WINNING basketball.
I completely agree. And this is why people who shit on phil Jackson and the triangle are WRONG. The triangle offense is alive and well in the warriors and they show how it can be used effectively. For some reason if you say triangle offense, people say it’s outdated. If you say “ball movement, player movement, cutting, spacing, equal opportunity offense” it’s new age basketball 🤔 That quote that this video had from Steve Kerr... PHIL Jackson taught him that.
The triangle offense is not a combination of cutting and equal opportunity offense it’s a specific positioning of players. Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, Brad Stevens, and others who preach equal opportunity offense run a totally different system that relies on perimeter shooting early in the shot clock. They typically have a stretch big of some type, and shoot a lot of three pointers. They are completely different systems Kerr’s system is more pace and space then triangle due to his experience under Pop.
@@bilalacevedo7973 Pops and Kerrs offense takes the theory of the Triangle offense and it's applied to today's 3pt game. The triangle was a equal opportunity motion offense which was based on post play of its Era. MJ and Kobe in the mid post and Shaq in the low post. The concepts are the same which is to provide scoring/passing opportunities by disrupting the defense using off ball movement. The system is mostly for role players to know where they should be, what reads to make, where to score and pass, and actively keeps them involved in the offense. Star players can create their own scoring and playmaking opportunities whenever they want based on their skill.
Tex Winter deserves all the credit for the conception of the triangle offense and how it has had an impact on the NBA’s modern era in the last thirty seasons (1990-2020) Look at some of the NBAs best teams who’ve won championships in the last three decades Jordan’s Bulls Shaq and Kobe’s LA Lakers Duncan’s Spurs Steph Curry’s Warriors
@@NewAgeSlaves u joke? Lebron bring the entire garbage cleveland team to final against the 4 all star warrior team, giv lebron kyrie again he woudnt be able to win too
LeBron literally lost to the Pacers yesterday because of the inferiority of his system. It was so obvious while the Pacers were doing a good job moving the ball around that the LeBron James offense was extremely stagnant.
Wow...hands down the best video on why his system is trash and why in the future, we'll have a far less favorable opinion of his entire career. Great job on the video.
How many people can even dream about being able to be a stat padder?
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Always the Wilt paradox. When you have high efficiency and your teammates don't your first instinct is to shoot more. However, getting your team members more involved means you take less bad shots, they get more accustomed to the game and play better and their efficiency goes up. For all of Wilt's great stats, he only won when he started leading the league in assists as his philly coach asked him to share the ball more.
He made Bosh and Love, two all stars, worse players. He gets regular season MVP based on his stats not making his teammates better. He’s the NBA’s cash cow that’s why he went to that many Finals in a row. Most overrated superstar in NBA History.
If you notice, as soon as Lebron left the Eastern conference, the other Eastern conf teams started to improve their rosters. It's almost as if the league told them to stand pat until Lebron decided to go West!
@@cyber6sapien i wouldnt go that far lol lol. Its cause lebron had all the talent on his team out east thats why. He had superteams. How can kyle lowery n derozan beat kyrie love n lebron. Its a joke
I always wondered how Lebron/Dwade were able to coexist as being ball dominant. The “you turn my turn” example was perfect. And for that sir I thank you.
And the more he wants to catch up to jordan b4 his time runs out, the less patient and more hasty he is. he's even said himself hes not a patient guy, so he wants to rush to the finish line. do thing his way only, run his system and not wait for anybody to develop the thing is, life has a funny way of balancing things out, with the law of averages. lebron puts together an all star team thinking he has the path to the championship, and out from the cracks comes an all-time great team within the Golden State Warriors lol
jdp 90five which one of those players needs the ball to succeed or is a bad passer/defender? Which 1 of those players is low IQ and 1 dimensional? So you take credit from each player you name, uplift the 'help' LeBron had in cleveland and put them on the same level of those players, just to talk shit about 'lebron fans'. LOL a fucking joke. Don't compare Curry DRAYMOND Bogut Klay to JR Smith George Hill Love and Tristan. "LeBron, fans, help" that's why you only got 5 likes.
only one thats a shooter is Klay lol the rest would've been useless asf. Thats why people underrate Steph Curry's unselfishness and of ball movement while getting his own buckets aswell.
There are more than just one flaw with Lebron’s game. No post up, no mid-range, below average handles, poor ball control at the rim due to small hands, terrible foul shooting, no defense, etc. This is why he has implemented the system you see in the video. He does this because it’s the only way he is able to hide his flaws.
@@cyberbron2024 It’s real easy to hand the responsibility off to someone else, just like a boss does. He doesn’t do any of the actual work but, takes all the credit.
@@Kashed but everything you just said would be more noticed by fans and the media because he’d have the ball in his hands a lot more to expose the fact that he has no post up, mid range, and most of what you listed and that’s not the case so how does that make sense. The only way we’d see all this is if Lebron primarily dominates the ball. If Lebron was trying to hide these supposed flaws you listed then his teams would be built to cover those flaws and give him the most efficient shots possible with the least amount of on ball time for him and that’s not the case.
@@Kashed so then whose doing the work then? Are you implying his teammates carried him while Lebron just put up stats with no impact? I don’t get your point because it’s not making sense. Why would someone who’s trying to hide their flaws choose to dominate the ball? and how can his teams be the ones covering for him when the teams he’s been on have had historically great offenses With him being the primary ball handler. Sounds like you’re saying lebron doesn’t have any actual value on the court.
This video is a GREAT breakdown. I have been telling people this for years but I couldn't quite articulate it the way you can. You know your shitm. I'm subscribing now now
Black Petunia they both are more valuable in different situations. Lebron can raise ANY team to a top team in a way Bird and KD can't. He makes bad teams good. KD can't carry a bad team the same way but is a better fit for an elite team due to his ability to play off the ball. So it really depends what kind of supporting cast you have
Bird led an absolute horrid College all the way to the NCAA finals and a 29-53 Celtics team to a championship within two years of getting drafted. Bird was a master of all aspects of the game in ways Lebrun cant even come close.
Well it really doesn't matter imo how you perform on a bad team. Westbrook for example is undoubtedly a better player than Steph Curry for the Atlanta Hawks, but if they both played for the Greg Poppovich, who is better. Same with KD and Lebron, or Bird and Lebron. If you play basketball in the most effective way possible, their are a handful of players who would fit into that offense over Lebron
It depends on what kind of supporting casts u have tbh. But ofc in this era of super teams kd would have a better chance to win because he would fit well with a great team with a great system.
Man I guess Kobe had a point about LBJ having to figure out how to win with what he had. I remember Kobe did ISO a lot but even Kobe ran off screens for open jumpers and would let the offense flow a bit. LBJ just drives and kicks. Russ has the same issue and why he struggled with PG and Melo. The team is built around Russ where he shines because he shoots so much and relegates everyone to catch and shooters. A bit of team ball is always needed no matter how good you are. Everyone touching the ball a few touches more a game unconsciously makes them feel more involved which is why GS is so dominant. Their bench plays so well due to the ball movement and they get to get a flow for themselves.
The LeBron James' system reminds me the 1990s style of play : "hero ball". One dominated the ball, the other teammates watched. It worked brilliantly in the 1990s; not really now when matched up against the Spurs, Rockets, Celtics [injuries cost them a place in the Finals] and the Warriors.
That year they beat the spurs, I told my friend that they were playing spurs basketball better than the spurs were. And then they got away from it and lost the next finals they played them...This is why they were so terrible this year too. The offense was way too centered around lebron, and no one was able to get in a rhythm by getting touches and interacting in the offense. Dive, layup/dunk. Dive, foul. Dive, dish, one pass assist. Meanwhile the warriors mixed up iso play, ball movement, and unselfish passing to find the best shot on the floor to win. This is why they lost last year too, and why kyrie left. He didn't want to be just a glorified role player
Holy shit dude you really opened up my eyes to why lebrons teammates go from great to above average when they join his teams. I hate the cavaliers offense; its incredibly stagnant with little to no ball movement, too many 1on1 plays and many of the players can't get a rhythm. Now i can understand why a team like GSW are so much better (apart from their 4 all stars) because seriously they have great ball movement and actual movement on the offense. Lebrons system really only makes lebron better while people who dont analyze the game will always blame his teammates. Now i get its harder to give players touches when there are so many great guys like kevin love, kyle korver and even JR but GSW and rockets can do it with multiple star players! I believe there must be a flaw with the coaching as well since no one gets any plays for them to get into a rhythm. The whole reason why shooters in this nba are dangerous is because they get super hot when u give them the ball enough but in lebrons system teammates get hot one minute and super cold for the rest of the game! This video really exposes lebron being one of the best passers because it really has an asterisk to it - he really does not pass as often. While lebron maybe simply trying to make himself great through getting his numbers it wont help him get a championship if he keeps playing this way.
I agree to this day and I grew up watching this dude. This why when I was a Bronsexual I used to blame his teammates, and not actually analyze his game in totality. Excellent video.
That's why it would be foolish for KD, AD, or Kyrie to want to play along side Bron in LA. Especially now that he is older and unwilling to give up the ball.
If you are to do such a video, be careful to involve things that dont appear at the statline. Like setting up screens for teamates, playing off the ball, battling to establish position in the post, being active on defense etc
In raw stat totals advantage definitely goes to LeBron not only because he's a great talent/athlete, but his body didn't betray him the way Larry's did and he's been healthy for more games. But even looking at averages, I wouldn't say either has an obvious advantage over the other. Career averages: Larry: 24pts, 10rebs, 6ast LeBron: 27pts, 7rebs, 7 ast Comparing the strengths and weaknesses of their respective games (especially considering they play the same position and both had responsibilities as rebounders and playmakers) to determine who has the edge is a valid comparison.
Daz It’s a good thing context matters. Because I remember all those statements and the reporters exact words. You left out the fact that those were all questions asked directly for Lebron and not the whole team.
This is why Curry is the best player in the NBA, because he doesn’t need to dominate the ball to be in the top of the league in points. He is the best off ball player in NBA History. He is still able to be the best even though his team doesn’t favor one player most of the time. He could be 1st,2nd,3rd, or even 4th option, and still have big numbers.
although there were some solid points, the lebron system has some very positive results as far as playoff success is concerned. bosh & love's teams were no threat as being their teams #1 options. wade was never the same after his knee surgery. kyrie is actually a scorer, not a point guard. he had his highest scoring average while playing alongside lebron if i'm not mistaken. i guess it comes down to whether ...if i'm a 20 pt scorer, is it better to score 20 a game and not sniff the playoffs or 12 to 15 a game and play in the finals. if this was lebron's biggest flaw, i'm curious as to what would be MJ's flaw.
d c i feel like his system works because he is the best at dragging a bad team to the finals but it’s during the finals that you can see how flawed it is : 3/6
@@CrazybatouJvC 2007 he was 22 2011 HE CHOKED 2014 Wade injured 2015 Kyrie and Love injured 2017-18 STACKED ASS WARRIORS also in 2018 he only had a Kevin Love who had depression
@@shasankamadduri1998 2006 Dirk beat the Spurs in the playoffs without another All Star OR Future Hall of Famer on his team. 7 years later in Dirk's twilight years, he pushed the 2014 Spurs to 7 games, with nobody on that Dallas team even sniffing an All Star appearance! That Mavericks team entered the playoffs as an 8th seed! That same 2014 Spurs team went on to gentleman's sweep LeBron in the Finals by a record margin! But feel free to keep the excuses for LeBron rolling in.
@@CrazybatouJvC His system works because he played in the East where he was the only player in the conference with a superteam between 2013 and 2018. Had he been playing in the West, he would have lost to all those teams he lost to in the Finals, except he would have lost to them in the Western conference playoffs. It's simple logic! We saw Jimmy Butler drag a team to the Finals in 2020 and balled out against a superior team. Nobody even bats an eye. Kawhi Leonard spent exactly one year of his career in the Eastern conference, and went to the NBA Finals and won a championship. LeBron spent 15 years of his career in the Eastern conference and has 3 NBA titles to show for it. Kawhi spent one year in the Eastern conference and has one title to show for it. Which feat is more impressive? Whenever the odds are not stacked in LeBron's favor, he fails! He failed to get past Dwight Howard in the playoffs in 2009. LeBron's first ring: Young OKC thunder against a stacked team full of hungry veterans LeBron's second ring: Saved by Ray Allen from losing to an old Spurs team in 6 games. LeBron's third ring: Gets Draymond suspended for pivotal game. Bogut gets hurt for last 3 games of the series. LeBron's fourth ring: Plays a novice Miami Heat team that wasn't even supposed to be there. Their 2nd and 3rd best players miss 80% of the Finals with injuries.
The editing plus commentary at 1:32 is golden, I actually said “daaaaaamn” out loud. I had to pause the vid to make this comment but I hope the rest of this video is as good as this moment.
For anyone who knows or researches football, you will understand Lebrons system. Essentially, Lebrons system is a "Spread Formation". In football, it utilizes 4 wide outs, 2 on either side. Its meant to draw defenses out of the box and allow for a more effective run game since defensive backs have to respect the pass and defend the wide receivers. Lebron is the quarterback AND the running back who charges at the "box" or basket with little to no resistance. He came from football, that was the sport he played in high school and he incorporated it in his basketball play. Its predictable and harmful to his teammates but favors him personally by affecting his stats.
I don't necessarily agree with the idea that this is 100% Lebron's fault. I think many casual fans underrate a coach/system's effect on the performance and playstyle of a player. I do believe Lebron has the basketball IQ to fit into system that revolves around ball movement under a great head coach like Popovich, Bradley, Kerr, etc- a type of coach that Lebron has never really had. I also think it's very difficult to acquire 3 or more good-great playmakers on the same team(Curry, Iggy, Durant, Klay, Draymond or TP9, Ginobli, Duncan) so an equal-opportunity system may not work for every team in the league as each team varies in talent. For example, I live in Atlanta and a few years back I remember the Hawks winning 60+ games because of how we moved the ball so much due to us having a good coach and a good system leading to a lot of our players to be or become willing passers and playmakers on the team(Jeff Teague, Al Horford, Korver, Schroder, etc.) However, in the post-season the Hawks still got beat by a Lebron James-led Team and as the next few years pass and most of the Hawk's talented playmakers leave, they became a worse team even under coach Budenholzer and his system. Therefore think that there are other different philosophies and approaches a team can take to the game that will succeed in an NBA championship. An iso- heavily dependent system has worked for Lebron in the past as he has 3 championships. Also in the past season, the Houston Rockets with a healthy CP3 could've definitely won the title which proves that you can play basketball in many different ways and still succeed.
Also, I love your video.This is the first video I've watched of yours and I just subscribed. You have great basketball knowledge and your content is refreshing to watch.
What % are you giving to lebron? It’s not just personnel or coaching, he isn’t willing to play in a system he wants to “be the system” mainly because that’s the only way he has ever played. As chris brusard said recently lebron doesn’t even know how to play off ball, he ends up standing around watching. You’re right though, the game slows down in the post season and iso ball becomes more effective. If a coach wants to play lebron in ways he isn’t happy with he tries to get them fired. I still maintain Blatt firing was unfair, cavs were top of the east at the time. Thats unheard of. It was reported he even wanted Eric spoltra fired but Pat Riley doesn’t play those games. I’ve said for a long time that wilt chamberlain is a better comparison than Jordan.
@@spacexmike imo is 50% bron's fault and 50% the coach's/organization. It's like every team Lebron goes to the entire organization (coach included) is scared of Lebron. I mean look at the lakers, as soon as lebron signed they were asking HIM who they should sign in free agency like he's a GM. Maybe it just has something to do with pressure that comes from playing with Lebron, idk. But bron has never had a coach wasnt scared to check him, essentially giving him the green light to do what he wants. Most recent example I can think of is a report about lebron ignoring luke walton's playcalling and doing his own thing. A coach like popovich, who wouldn't be scared to actually discipline bron would never let that fly.
I’m a big lebron fan and even I can say this is all very true .....a lot of people think he has no help which can be true at times but he’s also hurts his teammates with his ball dominance
FREE99 That's just a bs insult cause you have no means for calling them pussies, except to make yourself feel better about the situation knowing it's mostly LeBron's fault
This is a great video. It shows a true argument against LeBron without degrading him and uses all facts. Keep going man because you make amazing content
Lebron was not the only player that left that team...Jordan level of skill is superior to Lebron period..Post moves defense, on ball defense shooting, free throws crunch time plays....Look at film...
you dont need the same level of skill to be great you can just accentuate your god given physical ability. For example wilt was a statistically dominant player based on his high level of athleticism, strength and size. Skills not the only way a player can become great and when you have the edge physically you can be great by building around those talents. Lebrons is by far the better athlete compared to jordan and is arguably the best athlete ever with his speed at his size, his strength, vertical jumping power and his durability. However its undeniable that hes less skilled than jordan but jordan weighed in at 215 in his prime and lebron was probably 60 pounds heavier. Theres a reason bigger players have been historically more dominant and thats because it sets the bar that necessitates skill to bridge the gap to be competitive. Cant blame someone for using what they were born with
Ruben Lanuza he could be 7ft tall and still wouldn't be the psychotic killer that Jordan was! There's been hundreds of great, great athletes that come thru the league, but it's the intangibles that make great athletes legends! Lebron has proven he doesn't have that and has never developed that.
Recruited and surrounded himself with 3 point shooters, gets inside then kicks ball outside arc, instant assist. Does not play defense, leaves man all time and waiting at the bottom of the ring for a miss, instant rebound. Points, no need to explain.
Jud C. Um 3 point shooters is what’s best to build around him. That has nothing to do with stat padding. And he’s only waited at the rim a hand full of times stop exaggerating.
I know this guy doesn't make video anymore and it's small amount of percentage people will see this in 2022, but even know Russel Westbrook, for what player he is and how he is plays, he is playing the worst with Lebron James. All elite players play worse with Lebron
@@extreame7304 I just figured out that Varejao won multiple gold medals and multiple champions in other leagues prior to Bron. Then continued to win gold medals after he left Bron. Yet, when I brought up Varejao as a great Bron teammate, Bron fans were all like "Varejao. LOL. That scrub with fuzzy hair". It's unfortunate how much people downplayed Varejao to upgrade Bron.
so you're saying lebron has a higher assist rate, than his passing rate? that sounds like dominance and basketball IQ to me, WHO cares about passes that aren't assists?
Great break down of the lebron james system. Lebron does not know how to play other systems. He’s just padding his stats. That’s all there is. If you watch enough videos of him and his team, you will instantly notice this.
This video is BS... Kyrie had the ball just as much as Bron, and Dwade too... Them guys was balling rite along with Bron, they all were putting up big numbers and making big plays... Every elite scorer plays the same way. & has won 4 chips, who are you to say that it’s a flaw
They lost 2011 Finals while playing a team system and LeBRON choked off ball with 2.34 PER?! Thats why Dwade said LBJ will take over the system “LeBRON system” by Pat Riley.
he;s lucky he's in the east where this system works against lesser eastern teams. he does need to change up his game to be more off the ball if he wants to extend his career
Yes... this video is spot on, I agree with everything 100% in this video... I've been saying the same things for a while now. The LeBron System and his inability to play in a real team system is his biggest flaw and has and will always hold him back from winning championships. This is also why he is the most overrated of all the all time greats, because he is the greatest stat padder of all time, but not a good teammate. He doesn't make teammates better, that is one of the biggest myths about him. Defensively he has never been elite and it's showing more than ever the last few seasons. Hes fragile minded and therefore not a good leader because instead of putting blame on his shoulders to protect his teammates as a great leader does, he often throws them under the bus.... he can also be broken mentally, we've see this many times when he quits on his teams and its often on the biggest stages. For example his last year in Cleveland the first time he left, every Finals hes lost, especially 2011 and last year after game 1. Anyways, great video, on point 100%. 👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
I agree. I've always felt that his game outside of passing wasn't transcendent at all. And, it gets gassed up because of his size & athleticism. He came into the league an inconsistent shooter & lazy defender & 16 years later, he still is. His footwork still leaves much to he desired as well as his ever changing shooting mechanics. He doesn't give much off ball & he basically takes himself out of games by standing idly by on the perimeter. He still doesn't have an effective dribble drive that utlizes one move instead of him having to back up to create momemtum & throwing his hand out. Which causes him to tire out. Hardly any euros or hop steps or even head fakes. Just that same ole spin move & arm push. He complains too much & has given up many fast break scores in the playoffs & Finals because he's too busy complaining. He's even deliberately watched as the other team took off & still stood there to complain. He doesn't step up & take shots when the other team is goin on a run. He'll stand around or constantly pass. Won't take a shot but won't stop running the offense. Which ruins the rhythm of his teammates. Great player but consensus top two all time is laughable.
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Basketball Examined great vid but I think you're understating and over simplifying LeBron's game. We're in an extremely deep, hyper competitive era and LeBron's been the best player in the NBA for over a decade.
Basketball Examined Wait.
If LeBron leads the league, in Assists, but not in passes, doesn't that mean he's only making good passes?
LeAndre McCoy exactly. Why can’t someone a video like this on MJ,Kobe, or shaq. People hate on greatness in the moment
Been saying this for years 👏.
Sid Jones It seems more likely, that you're attaching your "LeBron is overrated" opinion, to someone saying _how his game is flawed,_ and took the time to do research.
Claiming his work, as your own.
Reaching, for justification, in your baseless opinion.
This is why you won't see LeBron James go to the San Antonio Spurs or an established team with an established system in place
Chris Adams now that makes sense
he doesn't fit in that teamwork approach
canWego Backintime what no he doesn't
I was just thinking this comment just now and look, I stumbled right unto yours. Amazing.
Chris Adams Lmao he just went to the Lakers....
So you're saying he's just a more efficient version of Westbrook?
Duncan Siror that’s exactly who lebron is lmao with way better basketball IQ...
lmaoo that was actually such a perfect comparison hahah
No, rusty does play defense ... and LBJ BBall IQ is waaayy overated...
I thought the same thing watching the vid lol
and a bit less of a stat padder
Im a Lebron fan but this is facts.
canWego Backintime if only Jordan fans listened 😔
canWego Backintime haha you triggered kid?😂
canWego Backintime thx for proving my point🙂
canWego Backintime like I said why be triggered and prove my point😂
canWego Backintime like I said why be triggered and prove my point 😂
Bro i been trying to explain tjis for years. Im happy someone understands basketball.
That's why at the time of the true need for a team, he's alone, because he carries everything, he's the center of everything, no team work, no coaching....by the way, he's a bad GM, he makes all the teams he's in to hire players that in the end won't help him much....he needs a "yes sir" coach and a "yes sir" teammate
to do what very few have done... let me get this straight.... he is a bad coach(system), GM, and won't maximise his playing ability because he is ball dominant... and he was in 8 straight finals? what the hell are the other coaches and GM's doing? I don't want to hear that bs about "weak east" there are 14 teams in the east... why couldn't they stop this from happening... hm I wonder? maybe because people are forgetting that a system where the best player gets the ball as many times as possible is a good one! and being the best player maybe of all time... maybe you should have the ball the most? just a thought
thetrib1 How many times did it work in the finals? 2012 was rigged and 2013 was just a choke job same as 2016 all Lechokes rings were fluke
He has one legit mark on his resume.... but so does Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Kobe... only the bigs dominate regardless of circumstance.... Kobe in a few playoff series shot under 40% and played horrible as the best player in his last finals appearance... Bird in a finals apearance had under 16 points per game( like Lebron), magic was tragic for a few games early on in his career... Jordan has had multiple playoff games with games under 40% in losses!!! Lebron has a magnifying glass on him right now so... we don't look at things with perspective any more. Lebron has been the best player in every playoff( including finals) series he has been in except the Dallas series.... Be real and not stupid!
thetrib1 KD was the best in this year's finals.
Exactly why I don't want lebron in philadelphia, I'll be damn if Joel embiid will just become a 7ft three point shooter.
MICOLE WHYTE dumb ass up lls LeBron on 76ets automatic finals without him have a all time great center embiid and Simmons who can't shoot
MICOLE WHYTE not even that serious fam lmao
MICOLE WHYTE bro u talking all this shit like u going punch me this is why i said chill lls acting like a female slim u ain't bout that
MICOLE WHYTE u saying u don't want bron in Philly is so dumb ass nigga lmaoooooo that's what I was saying u talking bout punching me writing essays and shit lol calm down nigga not even all that
MICOLE WHYTE i wish I wish lmao female ass
You really can’t argue this video . He backed it up with stats and quotes . Great work my friend 👌
This is so on point, the so called analysts try to hype up players just based on a particular choice of stats, you see the big picture! Keep it up bro!
Machiti Holdings just ask many people about bosh in miami or love in cleveland, they would say they're not as good as they were with their other teams as with bron. the lebron system drastically changed their playstyles, however. even bosh admitted love would have a hard time adjusting. part of this is because they don't run real plays, which helps the structure and make the players comfortable in what they do on the court. that's why clarkson and hood are so bad with the cavs. it also doesn't help that they don't play defense. this is all because they don't practice, which would help both of these aspects. with today's free flow style, dominant guards are more successful than dominant bigs. james is great, but still not the GOAT, and by this point, is unlikely to do so.
This is why I always tell people that I’m not impressed with LeBron‘s teams being so bad when he leaves and Michael Jordan‘s teams still being good when he leaves because the team is clearly only built for LeBron to succeed
Hoop Life
And Michaels teams weren't?
This whole comment section is a joke
This video is a joke
It doesn't even compare to other teams who've had dominate stars in systems based around them, like the Bulls and 09 n 10 Lakers
Goofy8907 bulls almost made the finals without Jordan
Goofy8907 The triangle offense is designed so more players participate in the offense as a playmaker. And Phil Jackson designated Scottie Pippen as the primary ballhandler to initiate that offense with Jordan functioning as the primary scorer. If you want to see what it would look like for Jordan to be in a LeBron-type offense where the entire system ran through him, check out the Bulls 1988-89 season where he averaged 32.5/8/8 and got knocked off in the Eastern Conference Finals by the "Jordan rules" Piston.
jamar reid only Lebron is leagues better as a passer and better getting to the basket
jamar reid you said the comparison would be better was Westbrook, Westbrook makes bad passes that leads to steals, and often bricks a lot, that better? Lol
True. Even MJ ran the triangle and moved alot offball. He would be even more effective if he used his gravity offball to help his teammates, he'd get alot of easy baskets too. MJ giving in to the offense and actually understanding its strengths made him even more successful, individually and as a team. The team has more options, and the defense are forced to shut down these other options while MJ got to pick his spots, instead of the simple isolation offense, which is basically what the Rockets also do with Harden now. Sure it's still very effective, enough to get him 3 rings and dominate the East, but on the level of GOAT discussions, it hurts his resume. The MJ led Bulls, even the 80s Lakers and Celtics were fun to watch because they genuinely played as a team, like the dynasty Warriors. That ability to lead a "team" adds to the greatness of GOAT contenders.
Only Kyrie really benefited individually from having Lebron because they basically ran, your turn/my turn Lebron system, and Kyrie is just a great isolation player.
All facts
I've been saying this for years. Although he has great talent, he often marginalizes his teammates and they can't be effective. He basically turned Bosh and Love into spot up shooters. They were their number #1 options on their respective teams before going to the Cavs and could play back to the basket. You can't have it both ways. He gets the recognition when the team succeeds but complains when the lose cause he doesn't have any help. You have multiple all stars on your team. Who else do you need?
Thuan Tran yeah he def gets it both ways and it goes unnoticed. That heat team was crazy cuz everyone had a distinct role and made an impact on the game. These Cavs teams have been kinda sad, esp without Kyrie, since offense is always abt LeBron. You don't really see anyone else initiating the offense or scoring in a different style.
A-freaking-MEN.
And I'm a Laker4Life hoping he gets one more so we can pass the Celtics in titles. The Lakers' 1947 NBL title is not included in the NBA total, but it is still a league championship.
I'm just not over-the-moon about him coming here. Pau Gasol was really the last player that the Lakers acquired where everyone saw nothing but upside.
They were #1 options on sorry teams. That really doesn't say much.
Bosh, Wade and Love were all-stars on their team. He weakened the East while building his big 3.
Thuan Tran We all know hes a 'great talent'. Hes also very high IQ knows what it takes to win, you spun the 1 time situation he 'complained' so you could make it a broader point. Another means to criticize further. Clearly you clicked this to hate. "Who else do you need?" Bro, you knew the Cavs weren't on the level of Golden State, LBJ put pressure on the team to add DEPTH, your dumbass ignores that, and say "go beat this team that took you 7 and added Kevin Durant, you got 2 All Stars!". He asked for DEPTH and playmakers, Cavs are a terrible front office and weren't doing anything, he got Deron Williams, and the bum choked vs GSW worse than any other player in those Finals (behind Korver, who they also acquired). since that Moment, he hasnt publicly asked "for more", went out and played all 82 and carried those bums once again w/ No Kyrie, but you still bring it up. Fucking moron.
I have this notion for awhile that he needs to play more off the ball as he ages so that will be less work for him. The LeBron System works but comes up a little bit short because teammates do not feel engaged
RafaelAntihero the lebron system works more often against lesser east teams
That's very true. That's why LeBron wins the east every single year since miami. It's western conference where he has a problem though
RafaelAntihero offensively Lebron led teams have been top 3-4 offenses in the league for some years now. Even last year, they were putting up points agaisnt GSW it’s just the defense that came up short... y’all are really babbling lmfaoo
no eastern teams just don't have an answer for LeBron. there's some ok defenders in the east but really only Kawhi can guard LeBron tbh. KD is a match for LeBron offense and defense. one of LeBron's weaknesses is a rim protector. they used to struggle against the Pacers with Roy Hibbert and the 76ers play good against him with Embiid
Knee-Cola Yo-kitc Kyrie had a lot to do with that as well.
Lebron James system always meets a high IQ team in the Finals and is thus exposed. Wilt Chamberlain of our era.
LeBron is better than Jordan in all categories!
ps, edited my old comment so people would be confused in the replies
I don't think he does. He makes his team better with his raw production, but not his team mates
THIS IS WHAT PEOLE DONT WANT TO REALIZE BECAUSE THAT NARRATIVE WAS STARTED YEARS AGO BY HIS FANBOYS..
YOU CAN BET HIS TEAMMATES REALIZE THIS!!!!
Anytime I criticize LeBron I'm automatically labeled a hater by his fans. I wish all players success any critism is only constructive
canWego Backintime "bronsexuals" only defend lebron cause he is the best player today... like magic when he was called tragic, like when Jordan was established as someone who could not win a ring because he was unselfish, like Kobe(once he lost shaq) when he was labeled a ball hog, and hurts his teammates... and so on and so forth. people don't want to hear it about lebron, because they believe that he is the greatest of all time... and what is even funnier about what you could think about that is that People who shit on lebron wouldn't have lebron out of the top ten today! and as far as "lebron" system goes... it has proven to be successful!!! and if you don't think it has been then you must think that there are only about 5 successful systems in the last 15 years... the point of an offense is to create the most opportunities, for said team.. Just this last year in the playoffs... the cavs had the most OPEN threes in the playoffs... but having better players(golden state) would lend better results.. meaning better team, better accomplishment. Lebron has had the best team 2 years out of his entire career... people like MJ, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Tim, and others.. had multiple seasons with the best team... but I guess that doesn't matter.
Until Lebron fixes this problem and allows his teammates to be more active, Jordon and Kobe will always be ahead of him. They understood the game on a deeper level.
thats were MJ succeeded and Lebron failed, MJ gave Phil Jackson a chance while Lebron will always do what he wants.
Ibnziyad Tariq LeBron has always had a shitty coach besides spolestra
Who was Phil Jackson before MJ? Had MJ not allowed PJ to coach, people would have said PJ is a sh*tty coach. Same for Mark Jackon or Steve Kerr, who were they before Curry? Curry just let them coach! Heck coach Popovich said upfront that he was thankful that Tim Duncan, TP and Manu let him coach! Maybe if LeBron let those guys coach, they wouldn't be viewed as "sh*tty"...
LeBron let’s Lue coach bruh and trust me it isn’t working lol
darkinferno1219 lebron wanted speolstra gone but dwade and may Riley had power in that organization
Shows u doesn't matter whether the coach is good or not lebron do whatever he likes
LeBron has never had a hall of fame coach.
Lebron turns role players into stars and stars into role players
BryanKent big ole FACTS!
Calvin Parker yup
agree with the second half but still wondering about the first.....oh, wait - don't you mean "social media stars"?
BryanKent
Which role players has Lebum turned into stars?
damn bru
That's an underrated channel.
Finalllyyyy. I have been saying this for years and people don't get it!!!!
Exactly why he left Miami they ran a system LeBron wasn't having it. All that I'm coming home was BS
@@354allday yea he was stood busy destroying it in the finals with the lakers
@@oluwaseyijohnson3162 Nobody cares about that BLM trophy
Beautiful shit brother you broke it down to the very last compound. I would have said it like this he failed to do as Duncan does that's allow the coach to coach him and allow the offensive coordinator to put his system in whether it's Princeton, Multi Motions, Triangle or Flex/Floppy or even Hawks or The Fist Series. The superstar don't need a playbook but the inferiors need it this way if any thing happens Injury or emergency the team could move on without him thereby he could always get some real rest because the offense don't fall apart upon his resting. This is why Jordan didn't have to play 40 minutes because the inferiors knew the Triangle Offense enough to carry on 3-5 minutes without Jordan and Pippen but big ups on your explanation.
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@@78Richardab yeap
His approach may be an evolution of Black Empowerment. You can work for someone and get a high paying check every week. Or you work for yourself and get paid inconsistently but you own the business.
Love it. Been saying this for awhile if you look back at his first Finals 07... u can see the team sit and wait for him to make a play and when he tried to give the ball up they just give it back because they are unfamiliar with how to play without him
Thats a coaching issue, the 2020 lakers, 2017 cavs, 2012 heat were all able to play basketball without Lebron
@@Ma1q444 agreed on the coaching but also all of those teams had too 100 players except 07
This is why he hasn't won more. He's great at carrying a shit team on his back. I'd go so far as to say he's the GOAT at carrying a shit team on his back because he can do everything so well. But given talent, those players almost always don't get to let their talent shine. They're basically turned into spot up shooters (Bosh, Love, Wade to a lesser extent, Kyrie wanting to leave). He makes shitty players look better because he carries the team, but he doesn't actually make players better
Exactly
slamandjam2 you don't know how their practice goes or if he is a great mentor. It's hard to say if he does or does not make them better. I'm pretty sure a lot of NBA players make their teammates better. I'm guessing they say that about LeBron since he is the greatest
slamandjam2 Kyrie didn’t want to leave because of lebron’s play, he left just to move forward in his career, where he was the go to guy. He said that himself
Jason Mantz You do understand you kinda ruined your own point, right? He wanted to be the "go to guy" because in "lebrons play" he couldnt. Where as if Cleveland has a system like golden state, Kyrie probably doesnt have the same issue.
Shining Shores actually I didn’t ruin my own point. The system is not what caused Kyrie to leave. He just wanted to prove that he could lead a team that was good. It’s impossible to be the leader of a team if your teammate is lebron james. And it’s not like lebron’s game made Irving’s worse. Kyrie even took more shots than lebron did. I am just saying Kyrie left because at the end of the day lebron is the better player and no one could argue with that.
I remember players complaining last year about James playing for stats. I think you are right in that the LeBron system marginalizes other players in order to center the teams success around his individual success.
As a huge Lebron fan I always felt that Lebron could have a better finals win percentage if he just gave in to a structure team system... that the only complaint I have about his game...and honestly I’m one of the Lebron who believed the Jordan comparison should have died when he lost to Mavericks 🤷🏾♂️
this video is SO UNDERRATED i wish you had like millions of subs for everyone to be able to see this gr8 content
Deniz Serra so Bron turn AD into a role player lmao dumbass
Great video. I'm a Lebron fan, and it's in the last 12 months that I started to think "This Lebron system isn't as effective as I thought, because it reduced Chris Bosh and Kevin Love's best abilities, and the role players just seemed to not know their place in the offense, especially the season with D Rose, D Wade, Isaiah Thomas, D Williams, etc."
It still won Lebron some rings, but I think it's time to find a new system with this Lakers squad, especially if you're wanting to sign AD.
Jordan Jenkins kevin love and Chris bosh are champs because they played with lebron
@@nelnirvana4587 You missed the point of the video. Lebron could have won even more rings if he both into a team concept like Duncan and Jordan did.
LeBron is this generation Wilt Chamberlain with the gaudy stats n numerous short comings in the finals...but his system is one of the reasons why Kyrie left...also I believe LeBron is putting up these numbers bc he knows he will not catch Jordan on rings so he figure he'll surpass him with numbers....Gr8 video B.E.
Dnyce perfect comparison
Kyrie knew if he played longer with Lebron.... He could turn into trash role player
all time stat padder and frontrunner...
To be fair to Wilt, he followed what the coach wanted despite being argumentative at times. If the coach wanted him to shoot all the balls, he did it. Even the 100 point game Wilt did not want to play after 70 points. If the coach wanted him to pass more, he did exactly that and led the league in assists one season. He certainly cared about his stats but this was in an era where you had to base your game around centers anyway. Russell had the opportunity of having a great coach and a great system where everyone was involved. LeBron has all the control in his team but they often play fodder for his individual stats, even though this doesn't have to be the only option.
Dnyce straight up up facts
Lebron being the system is a gift and a curse basically.
And LeBron fan's say he is a better leader and teammate than Jordan 😂😂😂 Jordan sacrifice and let Phil utilize him in the triangle offense because it helped his team. He sacrifice individual stats & accolades for team success
This is so true. MJ could have easily continued dropping 35 points a game if he wanted and become the greatest scorer of all time in just 15 seasons played or even less. But instead he became more a team player.
Zamppa86 Exactly. Jordan didn't care about stats he wanted rings and his success shows that
Zo Empire Ik im gonna sound dumb for this but what is the triangle offense???
Astronaut Spartan The offensive system implemented by the Chicago Bulls during their championship runs. The offensive would be run by Pippen playing the point forward position. It regulates individual assist numbers but increases ball movement. Jordan's role in the system was to score & defend when on defense. That's why he didn't accumulate huge stats during the 90s because he played a role to truly benefit the team
MJ HAD 2 coaches fired. If it wasn’t for Phil Jackson he would have never changed he would have been like a efficient Westbrook. MJ STARTED WINNING WHEN HE REDUCED HIS BALL HOGGING. And the TRIANGLE OFFENSE WORKS WITH DOMINANT SCORERS. Look at the systems Steve Nash, Magic Johnson and Rondo played its more similar than foes of scorers. Which lebron is
Before I was like what flaw? But after watching... Damn great video
Great video. Same thing I've been telling people for years. Facts can't get any better than this.
I say this same argument all the time!!! 🙄🤫👏🏿 nobody will listen! Great video!
This was "informative" commentary ( most so-called non biased media wont comment on) about the differences of Lebron's actual Basketball skill set short comings. All the greats of the past had to modify their initial pre-NBA strengths to some degree to obtain "winning" at the highest level. Russell, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, Duncan,and even Kobe to a lesser degree had to sacrifice a bit of their own greatness to achieve the sustaining "team winning concept". Some like Russell, Magic, Duncan and Bird had that mentality almost from the start...while MJ and Shaq had to have a coach like Phil Jackson implement a system to Basketball where each player knew their roles and stressed ball movement to keep opponents off balance. Lebron had immediate success using his "Lebron system" from high school into the NBA.....but it translated little into a "team winning concept". Basketball success usually comes from players understanding their roles and significance on the team. MJ'S 1st 3peat Championship Bulls had defined roles in which each stayed within....Pippen was the defensive roamer.....Grant was the rebounder.....Paxson the facilitator and 3 point threat....Cartwright....was the big man presence and Free throw threat......and Jordan was the difference maker who embodied all the others and did what was necessary at crucial game moments ( bench players had similar roles). The 2nd Bulls 3peat had the same dynamic.....and it is no coincedence that Phil Jackson's philosophy helped Shaq and Kobe achieve similar success until that dynamic had a falling out. Lakers showtime...Bird's Celtics....Popovich Spurs.....even today's Golden State Warriors have a similar "team oriented ball movement" philosophy that leads to winning. Can anyone identify the defined roles of Lebron's supporting cast on his winning teams....or even the losing ones?
Lebron had an opportunity that few other players had to create a " winning dynasty and legacy" through teaming up in Miami. His reluctance to " grow or change" as a player has been his strength and weakness at the same time. Does the Lebron system make other players better....or does it actually allow other players to make Lebron great.
There is a great DVD called 25 years of NBA Champions (1979-2004) which perfectly narrates The beginnings of what many consider the modern NBA to near the cusp of today's game. I encourage those who only have an inclination of that time's players and mentality to check it and Actual available referenced games on RUclips and decide for yourself about the Lebron system and its flaws.
Great video. The next biggest flaw in Lebrons game is turnovers, he will reach 4000 career turnovers faster than anyone in NBA history. His sloppiness cost his teams wins and titles. This is a bigger flaw than his FT %, but not as big a flaw as what this vid demonstrates.
Just use Basketball Reference and look at his career turnovers www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html, also look at www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_career.html all the guys above or near 4k turnovers in their careers did it in 20 years, for example, Lebron will pass up Kobe in just about 20 more games or so , Kobe played 20 years to Lebrons 15.
You're going to reach 4k career turnovers the fastest when you play like LeBron.
You just watched a video about how LeBron is the system. He has the ball. He decides what happens to it. This about 80% of the Cavs offense (now and before Miami).
Also, he'll reach it faster in age but he also came into the league earlier than practically everyone and plays more games than anyone.
You are correct, he mishandles it a lot due to dominating the ball... , but you need to be corrected on your other supposed point- "fastest to 4k " figures in the games he's played to this point with other players who played the same number of games to that same exact point in their careers, and when compared he is the fastest by far to 4k. It has nothing to do with coming into the game in his teens.. that is irrelevant.
Not all those "faster to *insert stat*" figures factor in minutes, games, seasons or age. It's usually one of those 4 that fits the narrative best. See that a lot, especially with LeBron lol (good and bad).
This is a great video that co-signs what I have always said about LeBron James and that he does not want to be coached. He is a great player but he does not know how to play organized basketball and he basically plays street ball.
Mr.K Austin Shaq played better streetball because Shaq will fight and dance... And LBJ flops and cries to the media
DAMN LBJ PLAYING STREET BALL GOT HIM 3 CHIPS AGAINST SOME OF THE GREATEST TEAMS OF ALL TIME
LBJ PROVING AS A PLAYER HE BETTER THAN ALL THE GREAT COACHES HAHAHAHA KING LEBRON
Lebron doesn’t know how to play organized basketball? This video and thread induces brain cancer.
Exactly! One thing this video didn't say was that Bosh/Love/Kyrie were Allstars on losing teams. Only Bosh saw the playoffs once and got swept before joining the Heat. LeThanos thought them how to play WINNING basketball.
Bro your videos are 100% honest & unbiased. I love your content.
I completely agree.
And this is why people who shit on phil Jackson and the triangle are WRONG.
The triangle offense is alive and well in the warriors and they show how it can be used effectively.
For some reason if you say triangle offense, people say it’s outdated. If you say “ball movement, player movement, cutting, spacing, equal opportunity offense” it’s new age basketball 🤔
That quote that this video had from Steve Kerr... PHIL Jackson taught him that.
The triangle offense is not a combination of cutting and equal opportunity offense it’s a specific positioning of players. Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, Brad Stevens, and others who preach equal opportunity offense run a totally different system that relies on perimeter shooting early in the shot clock. They typically have a stretch big of some type, and shoot a lot of three pointers. They are completely different systems Kerr’s system is more pace and space then triangle due to his experience under Pop.
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Pops and Kerrs offense takes the theory of the Triangle offense and it's applied to today's 3pt game.
The triangle was a equal opportunity motion offense which was based on post play of its Era. MJ and Kobe in the mid post and Shaq in the low post.
The concepts are the same which is to provide scoring/passing opportunities by disrupting the defense using off ball movement. The system is mostly for role players to know where they should be, what reads to make, where to score and pass, and actively keeps them involved in the offense.
Star players can create their own scoring and playmaking opportunities whenever they want based on their skill.
Tex Winter deserves all the credit for the conception of the triangle offense and how it has had an impact on the NBA’s modern era in the last thirty seasons (1990-2020)
Look at some of the NBAs best teams who’ve won championships in the last three decades
Jordan’s Bulls
Shaq and Kobe’s LA Lakers
Duncan’s Spurs
Steph Curry’s Warriors
Love spent his best years under LeBrons wing when he should've been leading his own team. Kyrie knew better and left.
Thats why kyrie achieve absolutely nothing now
@@哎哟不错哦-s1x but lebron hasn't won since kyrie left 🤦🏾♂️
@@NewAgeSlaves u joke? Lebron bring the entire garbage cleveland team to final against the 4 all star warrior team, giv lebron kyrie again he woudnt be able to win too
@@NewAgeSlaves well he won now lmao
@Natnael Guliano lol
His "unselfishness" is actually Selfishness, I don't see how one can deny that at all
LeBron literally lost to the Pacers yesterday because of the inferiority of his system. It was so obvious while the Pacers were doing a good job moving the ball around that the LeBron James offense was extremely stagnant.
Great analysis, love the graphic you showed of magic and bird teams being in top 5 in team assists
The media love LeBron because they will never say this about him. This was great video. Keep the great work. You're the best!
Great analogy, I couldn't say it better myself
Wow...hands down the best video on why his system is trash and why in the future, we'll have a far less favorable opinion of his entire career. Great job on the video.
The second person on RUclips to expose this. The first person to go into detail on why he’s the ultimate stat padder.
How many people can even dream about being able to be a stat padder?
Always the Wilt paradox. When you have high efficiency and your teammates don't your first instinct is to shoot more. However, getting your team members more involved means you take less bad shots, they get more accustomed to the game and play better and their efficiency goes up. For all of Wilt's great stats, he only won when he started leading the league in assists as his philly coach asked him to share the ball more.
Rob Rob looks like you watched MDJ's vid, nice job! over reliance is overrated
This why cleveland cant be compared to Jordans bulls when he leaves
Lebron wants to make himself great, he doesn't care about his teammates
LeShannon Sharpe Mexican Son second coming of Wilt
Yet Colin Kaepernick is a fucking idiot.
Nobody absolutely nobody is intimidated by LeBron...especially near the end of the 4th quarter
B-but I thought Lebron made his teamates bettah
LOL
FalseAdvertisingHater nope
He made Bosh and Love, two all stars, worse players. He gets regular season MVP based on his stats not making his teammates better. He’s the NBA’s cash cow that’s why he went to that many Finals in a row. Most overrated superstar in NBA History.
Yeah. Hes not even top 10
If you notice, as soon as Lebron left the Eastern conference, the other Eastern conf teams started to improve their rosters. It's almost as if the league told them to stand pat until Lebron decided to go West!
@@cyber6sapien i wouldnt go that far lol lol. Its cause lebron had all the talent on his team out east thats why. He had superteams. How can kyle lowery n derozan beat kyrie love n lebron. Its a joke
Casual
My guy shut your ass up, y’all are taking the wrong message from this video when it says “ONE flaw”
I always wondered how Lebron/Dwade were able to coexist as being ball dominant. The “you turn my turn” example was perfect. And for that sir I thank you.
These are the most insightful basketball videos I've ever watched. Great channel.
And the more he wants to catch up to jordan b4 his time runs out, the less patient and more hasty he is. he's even said himself hes not a patient guy, so he wants to rush to the finish line. do thing his way only, run his system and not wait for anybody to develop
the thing is, life has a funny way of balancing things out, with the law of averages. lebron puts together an all star team thinking he has the path to the championship, and out from the cracks comes an all-time great team within the Golden State Warriors lol
Very flawed selfish system. Makes perfect sense how he has won much fewer rings with so much more talent
Simple if LeBron wants to really win, he is going to adjust his play style.
Very well put. All your videos are high quality and well researched. Very underrated channel.
this channel deserves way more subs. very original. very insightful. love watching all the content.
Put lebron with klay, Iggy, draymond, bogut, Barnes and Ezeli and his fans would say he has no help.
jdp 90five which one of those players needs the ball to succeed or is a bad passer/defender? Which 1 of those players is low IQ and 1 dimensional? So you take credit from each player you name, uplift the 'help' LeBron had in cleveland and put them on the same level of those players, just to talk shit about 'lebron fans'. LOL a fucking joke. Don't compare Curry DRAYMOND Bogut Klay to JR Smith George Hill Love and Tristan. "LeBron, fans, help" that's why you only got 5 likes.
Underrated comment
only one thats a shooter is Klay lol the rest would've been useless asf. Thats why people underrate Steph Curry's unselfishness and of ball movement while getting his own buckets aswell.
There are more than just one flaw with Lebron’s game. No post up, no mid-range, below average handles, poor ball control at the rim due to small hands, terrible foul shooting, no defense, etc. This is why he has implemented the system you see in the video. He does this because it’s the only way he is able to hide his flaws.
Only way he can get them stats. That's what's most important to him. His stats. Only thing that even gives him an argument for being GOAT.
So to hide his flaws offensively he decides to be the primary decision maker with the ball? What sense does that make?
@@cyberbron2024 It’s real easy to hand the responsibility off to someone else, just like a boss does. He doesn’t do any of the actual work but, takes all the credit.
@@Kashed but everything you just said would be more noticed by fans and the media because he’d have the ball in his hands a lot more to expose the fact that he has no post up, mid range, and most of what you listed and that’s not the case so how does that make sense.
The only way we’d see all this is if Lebron primarily dominates the ball. If Lebron was trying to hide these supposed flaws you listed then his teams would be built to cover those flaws and give him the most efficient shots possible with the least amount of on ball time for him and that’s not the case.
@@Kashed so then whose doing the work then? Are you implying his teammates carried him while Lebron just put up stats with no impact? I don’t get your point because it’s not making sense. Why would someone who’s trying to hide their flaws choose to dominate the ball? and how can his teams be the ones covering for him when the teams he’s been on have had historically great offenses With him being the primary ball handler.
Sounds like you’re saying lebron doesn’t have any actual value on the court.
interesting stats, never knew lebron's team never broke the top 10 in assists
Bryan Chu yea cuz he kills ball movement
Lol because Lebron just holds the ball forever and only passes it when it's more than likely going to be an assist for him.
His teammates last season accused him of not passing until he sees an assist for himself.
*top 5, he was in the top ten 5 times
Michael Conner post said "team"
This video is a GREAT breakdown. I have been telling people this for years but I couldn't quite articulate it the way you can. You know your shitm. I'm subscribing now now
Excellent video, very insightful.
This is why I have Larry Bird and KD as better players then lebron. They can play with literally anybody as non ball dominant players.
Black Petunia they both are more valuable in different situations. Lebron can raise ANY team to a top team in a way Bird and KD can't. He makes bad teams good. KD can't carry a bad team the same way but is a better fit for an elite team due to his ability to play off the ball. So it really depends what kind of supporting cast you have
Bird led an absolute horrid College all the way to the NCAA finals and a 29-53 Celtics team to a championship within two years of getting drafted. Bird was a master of all aspects of the game in ways Lebrun cant even come close.
Well it really doesn't matter imo how you perform on a bad team. Westbrook for example is undoubtedly a better player than Steph Curry for the Atlanta Hawks, but if they both played for the Greg Poppovich, who is better. Same with KD and Lebron, or Bird and Lebron. If you play basketball in the most effective way possible, their are a handful of players who would fit into that offense over Lebron
It depends on what kind of supporting casts u have tbh. But ofc in this era of super teams kd would have a better chance to win because he would fit well with a great team with a great system.
Black Petunia I can understand Larry bird, but KD....no way bro lol.
Man I guess Kobe had a point about LBJ having to figure out how to win with what he had. I remember Kobe did ISO a lot but even Kobe ran off screens for open jumpers and would let the offense flow a bit. LBJ just drives and kicks. Russ has the same issue and why he struggled with PG and Melo. The team is built around Russ where he shines because he shoots so much and relegates everyone to catch and shooters. A bit of team ball is always needed no matter how good you are. Everyone touching the ball a few touches more a game unconsciously makes them feel more involved which is why GS is so dominant. Their bench plays so well due to the ball movement and they get to get a flow for themselves.
The LeBron James' system reminds me the 1990s style of play : "hero ball". One dominated the ball, the other teammates watched.
It worked brilliantly in the 1990s; not really now when matched up against the Spurs, Rockets, Celtics [injuries cost them a place in the Finals] and the Warriors.
Outstanding video.
The lesson: "What's gonna work? Teamwork!" - Wonder Pets.
Lol.
That year they beat the spurs, I told my friend that they were playing spurs basketball better than the spurs were. And then they got away from it and lost the next finals they played them...This is why they were so terrible this year too. The offense was way too centered around lebron, and no one was able to get in a rhythm by getting touches and interacting in the offense. Dive, layup/dunk. Dive, foul. Dive, dish, one pass assist. Meanwhile the warriors mixed up iso play, ball movement, and unselfish passing to find the best shot on the floor to win. This is why they lost last year too, and why kyrie left. He didn't want to be just a glorified role player
An excellent breakdown. Some of this have been saying this, only to be called haters by closed minded Lebron James fans.
Holy shit dude you really opened up my eyes to why lebrons teammates go from great to above average when they join his teams. I hate the cavaliers offense; its incredibly stagnant with little to no ball movement, too many 1on1 plays and many of the players can't get a rhythm. Now i can understand why a team like GSW are so much better (apart from their 4 all stars) because seriously they have great ball movement and actual movement on the offense. Lebrons system really only makes lebron better while people who dont analyze the game will always blame his teammates. Now i get its harder to give players touches when there are so many great guys like kevin love, kyle korver and even JR but GSW and rockets can do it with multiple star players! I believe there must be a flaw with the coaching as well since no one gets any plays for them to get into a rhythm. The whole reason why shooters in this nba are dangerous is because they get super hot when u give them the ball enough but in lebrons system teammates get hot one minute and super cold for the rest of the game! This video really exposes lebron being one of the best passers because it really has an asterisk to it - he really does not pass as often. While lebron maybe simply trying to make himself great through getting his numbers it wont help him get a championship if he keeps playing this way.
Beautiful breakdown. Sub
Machiti Holdings hating on a channel with your criticism, when actually it gives in-depth analysis
I agree to this day and I grew up watching this dude. This why when I was a Bronsexual I used to blame his teammates, and not actually analyze his game in totality. Excellent video.
Great video!!
That's why it would be foolish for KD, AD, or Kyrie to want to play along side Bron in LA.
Especially now that he is older and unwilling to give up the ball.
I don't understand why AD wants to spend his prime being a footnote in LeBron's legacy.
@@CREOLEHEAT my guess is the lure of Lebron "handing the team over" to AD when he retires in 3 years.
could u make a lebron/bird video comparison?
That's coming up in the future. Thanks for the suggestion!!!!
cool, ur my favorite basketball channel
If you are to do such a video, be careful to involve things that dont appear at the statline. Like setting up screens for teamates, playing off the ball, battling to establish position in the post, being active on defense etc
In raw stat totals advantage definitely goes to LeBron not only because he's a great talent/athlete, but his body didn't betray him the way Larry's did and he's been healthy for more games. But even looking at averages, I wouldn't say either has an obvious advantage over the other.
Career averages:
Larry: 24pts, 10rebs, 6ast
LeBron: 27pts, 7rebs, 7 ast
Comparing the strengths and weaknesses of their respective games (especially considering they play the same position and both had responsibilities as rebounders and playmakers) to determine who has the edge is a valid comparison.
“Used like bots”
Just like 2k 😂😂
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Thank you so much for this vid! Great work!
That's why some people started to compare Lebron to Chamberlain more often than to any other legend of the game
Hasn't figured out "team."
Daz that's exactly what it is
Armando De Los Santos and you know this how? Or are you just speaking out of your ass once again?
Daz It’s a good thing context matters. Because I remember all those statements and the reporters exact words. You left out the fact that those were all questions asked directly for Lebron and not the whole team.
Daz I don’t know it sounds to me like you’re just nitpicking.
Silk Shorty ??
This is why Curry is the best player in the NBA, because he doesn’t need to dominate the ball to be in the top of the league in points. He is the best off ball player in NBA History. He is still able to be the best even though his team doesn’t favor one player most of the time. He could be 1st,2nd,3rd, or even 4th option, and still have big numbers.
True
Yeah but basketball isn’t all about scoring my brother
Definitely a nephew
MD Twomp Idk if he is da best off ball player in NBA history you had Reggie Ray Kobe
Hard to say when he's only played on one team and hasn't done it. Overhype into myth status 🙄
although there were some solid points, the lebron system has some very positive results as far as playoff success is concerned. bosh & love's teams were no threat as being their teams #1 options. wade was never the same after his knee surgery. kyrie is actually a scorer, not a point guard. he had his highest scoring average while playing alongside lebron if i'm not mistaken. i guess it comes down to whether ...if i'm a 20 pt scorer, is it better to score 20 a game and not sniff the playoffs or 12 to 15 a game and play in the finals.
if this was lebron's biggest flaw, i'm curious as to what would be MJ's flaw.
d c i feel like his system works because he is the best at dragging a bad team to the finals but it’s during the finals that you can see how flawed it is : 3/6
@@CrazybatouJvC good pt
@@CrazybatouJvC 2007 he was 22
2011 HE CHOKED
2014 Wade injured
2015 Kyrie and Love injured
2017-18 STACKED ASS WARRIORS
also in 2018 he only had a Kevin Love who had depression
@@shasankamadduri1998 2006 Dirk beat the Spurs in the playoffs without another All Star OR Future Hall of Famer on his team.
7 years later in Dirk's twilight years, he pushed the 2014 Spurs to 7 games, with nobody on that Dallas team even sniffing an All Star appearance! That Mavericks team entered the playoffs as an 8th seed! That same 2014 Spurs team went on to gentleman's sweep LeBron in the Finals by a record margin!
But feel free to keep the excuses for LeBron rolling in.
@@CrazybatouJvC His system works because he played in the East where he was the only player in the conference with a superteam between 2013 and 2018. Had he been playing in the West, he would have lost to all those teams he lost to in the Finals, except he would have lost to them in the Western conference playoffs. It's simple logic!
We saw Jimmy Butler drag a team to the Finals in 2020 and balled out against a superior team. Nobody even bats an eye.
Kawhi Leonard spent exactly one year of his career in the Eastern conference, and went to the NBA Finals and won a championship. LeBron spent 15 years of his career
in the Eastern conference and has 3 NBA titles to show for it. Kawhi spent one year in the Eastern conference and has one title to show for it. Which feat is more impressive?
Whenever the odds are not stacked in LeBron's favor, he fails! He failed to get past Dwight Howard in the playoffs in 2009.
LeBron's first ring: Young OKC thunder against a stacked team full of hungry veterans
LeBron's second ring: Saved by Ray Allen from losing to an old Spurs team in 6 games.
LeBron's third ring: Gets Draymond suspended for pivotal game. Bogut gets hurt for last 3 games of the series.
LeBron's fourth ring: Plays a novice Miami Heat team that wasn't even supposed to be there. Their 2nd and 3rd best players miss 80% of the Finals with injuries.
The editing plus commentary at 1:32 is golden, I actually said “daaaaaamn” out loud. I had to pause the vid to make this comment but I hope the rest of this video is as good as this moment.
Very interesting perspective! Keep it up
For anyone who knows or researches football, you will understand Lebrons system. Essentially, Lebrons system is a "Spread Formation". In football, it utilizes 4 wide outs, 2 on either side. Its meant to draw defenses out of the box and allow for a more effective run game since defensive backs have to respect the pass and defend the wide receivers. Lebron is the quarterback AND the running back who charges at the "box" or basket with little to no resistance. He came from football, that was the sport he played in high school and he incorporated it in his basketball play. Its predictable and harmful to his teammates but favors him personally by affecting his stats.
I don't necessarily agree with the idea that this is 100% Lebron's fault. I think many casual fans underrate a coach/system's effect on the performance and playstyle of a player. I do believe Lebron has the basketball IQ to fit into system that revolves around ball movement under a great head coach like Popovich, Bradley, Kerr, etc- a type of coach that Lebron has never really had. I also think it's very difficult to acquire 3 or more good-great playmakers on the same team(Curry, Iggy, Durant, Klay, Draymond or TP9, Ginobli, Duncan) so an equal-opportunity system may not work for every team in the league as each team varies in talent. For example, I live in Atlanta and a few years back I remember the Hawks winning 60+ games because of how we moved the ball so much due to us having a good coach and a good system leading to a lot of our players to be or become willing passers and playmakers on the team(Jeff Teague, Al Horford, Korver, Schroder, etc.) However, in the post-season the Hawks still got beat by a Lebron James-led Team and as the next few years pass and most of the Hawk's talented playmakers leave, they became a worse team even under coach Budenholzer and his system. Therefore think that there are other different philosophies and approaches a team can take to the game that will succeed in an NBA championship. An iso- heavily dependent system has worked for Lebron in the past as he has 3 championships. Also in the past season, the Houston Rockets with a healthy CP3 could've definitely won the title which proves that you can play basketball in many different ways and still succeed.
Also, I love your video.This is the first video I've watched of yours and I just subscribed. You have great basketball knowledge and your content is refreshing to watch.
What % are you giving to lebron? It’s not just personnel or coaching, he isn’t willing to play in a system he wants to “be the system” mainly because that’s the only way he has ever played. As chris brusard said recently lebron doesn’t even know how to play off ball, he ends up standing around watching.
You’re right though, the game slows down in the post season and iso ball becomes more effective.
If a coach wants to play lebron in ways he isn’t happy with he tries to get them fired. I still maintain Blatt firing was unfair, cavs were top of the east at the time. Thats unheard of. It was reported he even wanted Eric spoltra fired but Pat Riley doesn’t play those games.
I’ve said for a long time that wilt chamberlain is a better comparison than Jordan.
@@spacexmike imo is 50% bron's fault and 50% the coach's/organization. It's like every team Lebron goes to the entire organization (coach included) is scared of Lebron. I mean look at the lakers, as soon as lebron signed they were asking HIM who they should sign in free agency like he's a GM. Maybe it just has something to do with pressure that comes from playing with Lebron, idk. But bron has never had a coach wasnt scared to check him, essentially giving him the green light to do what he wants. Most recent example I can think of is a report about lebron ignoring luke walton's playcalling and doing his own thing. A coach like popovich, who wouldn't be scared to actually discipline bron would never let that fly.
I’m a big lebron fan and even I can say this is all very true .....a lot of people think he has no help which can be true at times but he’s also hurts his teammates with his ball dominance
But I also feel that a lot of his teammates are pussy so it equals out
FREE99 That's just a bs insult cause you have no means for calling them pussies, except to make yourself feel better about the situation knowing it's mostly LeBron's fault
This is a great video. It shows a true argument against LeBron without degrading him and uses all facts. Keep going man because you make amazing content
Really great videos. This is my new favorite youtube channel
Lebron was not the only player that left that team...Jordan level of skill is superior to Lebron period..Post moves defense, on ball defense shooting, free throws crunch time plays....Look at film...
therealist811 Bron is not on MJs level Bro at all go to NBA.com look at the defensive statistics... not close
Minkah McKay that's Ryder he's saying
you dont need the same level of skill to be great you can just accentuate your god given physical ability. For example wilt was a statistically dominant player based on his high level of athleticism, strength and size. Skills not the only way a player can become great and when you have the edge physically you can be great by building around those talents. Lebrons is by far the better athlete compared to jordan and is arguably the best athlete ever with his speed at his size, his strength, vertical jumping power and his durability. However its undeniable that hes less skilled than jordan but jordan weighed in at 215 in his prime and lebron was probably 60 pounds heavier. Theres a reason bigger players have been historically more dominant and thats because it sets the bar that necessitates skill to bridge the gap to be competitive. Cant blame someone for using what they were born with
Ruben Lanuza he could be 7ft tall and still wouldn't be the psychotic killer that Jordan was! There's been hundreds of great, great athletes that come thru the league, but it's the intangibles that make great athletes legends! Lebron has proven he doesn't have that and has never developed that.
Armando De Los Santos how is lebron not a legend? What makes a psychotic killer and who fits this criteria besides jordan and why?
Lebron fans would surely cry about these facts and say its hatin lebron🙂
Lebron is a stat padder
Jud C. So is Westbrook
Jud C. Proof?
Recruited and surrounded himself with 3 point shooters, gets inside then kicks ball outside arc, instant assist. Does not play defense, leaves man all time and waiting at the bottom of the ring for a miss, instant rebound. Points, no need to explain.
U'll know if u know.
Jud C. Um 3 point shooters is what’s best to build around him. That has nothing to do with stat padding. And he’s only waited at the rim a hand full of times stop exaggerating.
Nice breakdown. Really appreciate it.
Couldn't of said it better myself.. the LeBron offense is shit. MJ played off the ball, and was more dominant that Lebum could ever imagine.
No players has ever grew into an ALLSTAR playing with Lebron. FACTS!
I know this guy doesn't make video anymore and it's small amount of percentage people will see this in 2022, but even know Russel Westbrook, for what player he is and how he is plays, he is playing the worst with Lebron James. All elite players play worse with Lebron
and players get down played in order to justify Bron's failures and hype up his victories.
@@x-man9473 Facts
@@extreame7304 I just figured out that Varejao won multiple gold medals and multiple champions in other leagues prior to Bron. Then continued to win gold medals after he left Bron. Yet, when I brought up Varejao as a great Bron teammate, Bron fans were all like "Varejao. LOL. That scrub with fuzzy hair". It's unfortunate how much people downplayed Varejao to upgrade Bron.
@@x-man9473 Just in general people do worse when they play with Lebron, cause everyone has to play to suits his style.
@@extreame7304 correct
so you're saying lebron has a higher assist rate, than his passing rate? that sounds like dominance and basketball IQ to me, WHO cares about passes that aren't assists?
But what's it do for the team?
Forget your logical, well put arguments... I subbed for your graphics work. Well done.
Great break down of the lebron james system. Lebron does not know how to play other systems. He’s just padding his stats. That’s all there is. If you watch enough videos of him and his team, you will instantly notice this.
This video is BS... Kyrie had the ball just as much as Bron, and Dwade too... Them guys was balling rite along with Bron, they all were putting up big numbers and making big plays... Every elite scorer plays the same way. & has won 4 chips, who are you to say that it’s a flaw
They lost 2011 Finals while playing a team system and LeBRON choked off ball with 2.34 PER?! Thats why Dwade said LBJ will take over the system “LeBRON system” by Pat Riley.
he;s lucky he's in the east where this system works against lesser eastern teams. he does need to change up his game to be more off the ball if he wants to extend his career
jr rosales it gets exposed against full strength teams in the finals
Yes... this video is spot on, I agree with everything 100% in this video... I've been saying the same things for a while now. The LeBron System and his inability to play in a real team system is his biggest flaw and has and will always hold him back from winning championships. This is also why he is the most overrated of all the all time greats, because he is the greatest stat padder of all time, but not a good teammate. He doesn't make teammates better, that is one of the biggest myths about him. Defensively he has never been elite and it's showing more than ever the last few seasons. Hes fragile minded and therefore not a good leader because instead of putting blame on his shoulders to protect his teammates as a great leader does, he often throws them under the bus.... he can also be broken mentally, we've see this many times when he quits on his teams and its often on the biggest stages. For example his last year in Cleveland the first time he left, every Finals hes lost, especially 2011 and last year after game 1. Anyways, great video, on point 100%. 👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
I agree. I've always felt that his game outside of passing wasn't transcendent at all. And, it gets gassed up because of his size & athleticism. He came into the league an inconsistent shooter & lazy defender & 16 years later, he still is. His footwork still leaves much to he desired as well as his ever changing shooting mechanics. He doesn't give much off ball & he basically takes himself out of games by standing idly by on the perimeter. He still doesn't have an effective dribble drive that utlizes one move instead of him having to back up to create momemtum & throwing his hand out. Which causes him to tire out. Hardly any euros or hop steps or even head fakes. Just that same ole spin move & arm push. He complains too much & has given up many fast break scores in the playoffs & Finals because he's too busy complaining. He's even deliberately watched as the other team took off & still stood there to complain. He doesn't step up & take shots when the other team is goin on a run. He'll stand around or constantly pass. Won't take a shot but won't stop running the offense. Which ruins the rhythm of his teammates. Great player but consensus top two all time is laughable.
Great breakdown for casual and unknowing fans!!! It's what I've been saying saying all along.