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Im not the LS fan, Agurin fan, Nemesis fan, im just league enjoyer.... but holy fk TF should just stfu righ there since hes literally inting the whole game blaming jung....
@@steauafan4ever Gameplay-wise sure, LS can be at fault for getting caught out in that last teamfight. But mental or emotion-wise, any person that have a decent or average mental state would already be tilted out of their minds with those chat messages so you can't really put all the blame to LS. Props to that Kai'sa that's actually trying to fix the mood of the team, but surely the other players were tilted or somewhat annoyed that they were on a winning game state but a few blunders here and there caused the game to be lost out of their control.
@Psyannn Gameplay-wise TFBlade was still in the wrong. He was dunning the game down for almost the entirety of the game. LS making 1 gameplay mistake doesn't put the result of the game on him just because it resulted in the immediate loss (plus the fact that that "mistake" shouldn't have even cost them the game at all, as the fight was winning anyways)
@@SweatIRL ye I do agree with that. TF Blade did certainty contributed to a lot of factors that led to that game to be lost in an instant and I'm not really defending the man (or manchild as I would better describe it). It's just weird that a lot of people still discredit LS despite that 'one' mistake and keeps forgetting that there are also 3 other players in that (blue) team made blunders and mistakes (probably because of tilt) that led the last teamfight unfavorable for them. Would have been fine indeed if TF didn't commit into fighting Ashe and Kai'sa not ulting in between 3 people.
well the drag spawns in 30s lets say they need 8s to take the drag and with recall and walking there it would still be gone. Meaning they would have to tp to save it. So Agurins argumetn is still valid that red side can engage while jax tps top and naafiri can tp making it a 4v5 around drag pit.
@@ulup212 but he's saying tp is correct when naafiri can tp to drag and its 5v4 but if u dont tp til drag is taken she either gets 1 tower and lil bit of dmg on 2nd or just take 1 and tp bot for 5v5. tping top doesn't do anything but delay 2hit tower from dying and giving drag cus naafiri has tp adv to make it 5v4
For sure it is better than a 1st tower top. But it is still one single infernal, only 2nd drake for both teams, no win con or anything else. In Agurin mind they would have took 2 towers, if they were actually able to take 2 towers (which they are def not able to), then he would have been right to def top. That drake value is low, but that tower value is even lower. Not only because of its actual gold value, but becasue of how low hp it is. Still, both obj are def low value in this given moment.
@@jojobetzler6308 Jayce should've been top in the first place which is exactly what LS and Tenacity were saying in the vod too. Agurin just missed this. He would agree with what LS and Tenacity said most likely in full.
jayce actually just giga inted by picking a thresh lantern against zac, jesus how bad was that team in the last fight, it is anyone's fault but ls lol.
@@melvinthetoad4109 yeah ok i agree with you. I also didnt quite understand what agurin was saying about the tp top. Usually he is really smart macro wise
Yeah i disagree with Agurin, i was shocked to. Like tp there bad considering Nafiri could tp back to drake win 5v4. Should been top earlier. Also when checked infernal drake give 340 gold for each champ which is like 1700 gold which is alot, defintely more worth than the turet. Also yeah its no way Nafiri get 2 turet. Also loosing potential camps is fine. Like getting 1700 gold split aswell dragon stacking is nice. TP could be used more effective in future aswell.
your calculations are off Ivern and thresh dont care about infernal meaning its 1000 gold value for the drake. Naafiri gets the turret + another wave + 2nd turret + 2 camps (300 + 200+ 550 + 100 = 1150) and yes, 2nd turret would fall, the drake would be up only after 20 seconds, and it would only be finished earliest like 10-15 seconds, could be longer if the team intercepts (and tp from team would be delayed as well to defend tier 2) for an ad champ its easy to take a tier 2 after 35 seconds or naafiri gets the 1st turret + a teamfight 4vs5 because jax/jayce have to tp to top to defend the 2nd turret if Jayce tp's the fight is lost probably 1-3 deaths there is a slight chance for it to end even if jax tp's (which is/isnt a loss depending on who gets drake) also it seems you dont listen very well Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5
@@animevolution880 TF blade can recall if Naafiri pass 2 wave which make him have time to cover if Naafiri want 2 turet. People do that all the time. No way Naafiri get that 2 turet with 1-2 wave, need 3 wave which then spawn 30 sec. Ivern and thresh both does dmg, stop with excuse. "also it seems you dont listen very well Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5" ? What? You dont read well, where did i mention regarding that. Agurin have to give up drake becuase Naafiri would tp, them having 1 man advantage for red team 5v4, Blue side would loose teamfight so they forfeit drake. Drake is more valuable then first turet. No one tps there. I think he tpd there because tilted. No pro will tp there to, you only tp there if drake is not up, and want to catch big wave aswell pressure 2 turet for then like baron/herald, vision top side. Thats a bad TP, could risk loosing drake aswell future baron cause no tp when side laning.
@@animevolution880Naafiri can't get 2nd tower by that timing and even if she attempts to then it's possible for a tp by that time as Naafiri can't effect drake by that time, not to mention if Naafiri tp's drake it can lead to 4 deaths + drake which is a far worse trade
your calculations are off Ivern and thresh dont care about infernal meaning its 1000 gold value for the drake. Naafiri gets the turret + another wave + 2nd turret + 2 camps (300 + 200+ 550 + 100 = 1150) and yes, 2nd turret would fall, the drake would be up only after 20 seconds, and it would only be finished earliest like 10-15 seconds, could be longer if the team intercepts (and tp from team would be delayed as well to defend tier 2) for an ad champ its easy to take a tier 2 after 35 seconds or naafiri gets the 1st turret + a teamfight 4vs5 because jax/jayce have to tp to top to defend the 2nd turret if Jayce tp's the fight is lost probably 1-3 deaths there is a slight chance for it to end even if jax tp's (which is/isnt a loss depending on who gets drake) also it seems you dont listen very well Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5
Agurin was either smoked, too much on TFblade's side or just putting coal on fire here, there is no way you defend a 0/3 jax who tp's away from drake to a lost turret and then facecheck die and say that's the correct play 😂
It's so funny. TFBlade literally loses two fights by himself in a winning position. By jumping onto Ashe and baiting his entire team instead of playing the fight slowly. He also inted multiple times on side waves and by poor decisions. Meanwhile LS is carrying the game alongside Jayce. TFBlade should just shut the fuck up and stick to clicking real fast and precise. There is a reason he never managed to get even close to pro even tho he is a very good soloQ player.
When it comes to soloq why the fuck would I ever listen to Ls? he is hardstuck master with afk champs while tfblade got rank3 korea? How can you be so dogshit biased and think that ls knows better than tfblade
I find it really strange that Agurin's analysis is really this flawed. Idk if it's because he doesn't play lane (don't think that should be a problem), but even to a dia laner it's clear that tp is int. Tower's gone, tp or not, no vision of enemy team, jax should stay to secure drake, someone tps top to catch wave at T2. If enemy team is top and dive T2, unlucky (unlikely but possible). Agurin's initial suggestion which is tp top early and then walk down from top is also flawed because they have 0 vision on the way there so you're facechecking literally everything until you're at drake into Zac Alistar. And he says "you don't lose anything", but you lose drake, you lose tp, you lose top tower anyways, it's just super strange that this analysis comes from him who is a super objective based player. And that annie top insta hover "i roam" is hilarious.
@@pelitasenja7478 as I said, if tfblade tps top early and walks to drake he's facechecking blind. If he walks top and tps bot it's the same scenario, top tower's gone anyways at that hp.
The curious thing about discussions in League for me is that it is rarely "I disagree with this because..", its it always "This is so fucking stupid.." and they become emotional like they just insulted their mother. The same with so many League creators. Impossible to have an objective discussion, emotional level of little kids.
I mean it's not an objective discussion at all when there is a clear answer that one decision is the right one or at least better. And for the best players it's very obvious too
I don’t know wich situation is the worse Tfblade inting or Agurin trying to defend this play. I mean even a guy that do not play league would understand that TfBlade inted that game
This is such backwards and wrong thinking and I know Agurin knows that too saying that top tier 1 isn't the only thing they get insinuating that they could get top tier 2 and mid tier 1 when Jax could be mid for those 30 seconds before dragon and if they do nnot contest and push top he obv TP to the tier 2 protects it. Him TPing before enemy team commits to top split is the entire problem that is borderline inting because you are now allowing enemy team agency to choose if they want to continue top (which is the wrong choice and what they do) or if they want to 5 run through mid and go dragon at which point they get free drag and Jax MAYBE hits the tower top 3 times
40 sec for drake + around 10 sec to do drake + 7 sec base + time to move out of base. Yeah for sure not enough time to take T1 mid T1 top or T1 Top T2 Top + camps while having 2 waves that push with you. Kappa
50 sec you dont need to stay the full duration for drake and then you tp, which is not enough time for a nafirri to do more than one tower and she will just push in the other wave into tier 2 and reset cause she will max half of the tier 2s hp which is a waste of time, she never gets that tier 2 you can go test it out in practice tool, and they dont get mid tier 1 cause they can actually protect it depending on what the enemy team is doing, if the enemy team completely gives up on drake then you dont need 5 people on drake and can leave it early, if they dont well then they wont be hitting tier 1, its not like the enemy team is playing some kind of poke comp that makes it so ashe can hit tower while others zone.
I would stay for dragon, but i can understand agurins argument, if you lose a lot of your side of a map in terms of towers, which removes vision from the map, then its really bad. Personally, I dont think it makes up for stacking sdragons
people are so nuts they are looking from a whole game pov but in game the players are worried about them selfs slip ups happens everyone is wrong in this situation
Completely agree with Nemesis here. I have no idea what Agurin smoked before this review but it shows his lack in competitive pro play experience and enhance his soloq understanding. That tower tp did nothing and its classic scenario when u sacrifice one side for another. Soloq players dont value things differently and have no will to sacrifice anything then lose game.
Its just different priorities. Agurin prefers to make sure that they dont lose total control over the top lane while nemesis prefers to play for the scaling drake. And right now, agurin is the better player and he still is just showing what he thinks about the situation (not saying someone's idea is stupid).
@@Euu_-tc6hz yea but its so dumb to think that nafiri taking that t1 turrents snowballs into losing 3 tower and map control when the infernal was uncontested and jayce and jax can defend t2 if needed
Okay i dont think People understand this, Agurin does NOT deffend the TP, the TP is Bad Agurin is trying to say that TFBlade fucked up before and than did this TP to Fix it, i think Naafari DMG is a little overrated in his opinion so he thinks naafiri could get T1&T2 + Mid T1
I think They are both wrong. As jax, just go back run top def tier 2 tower. Team starts drake 4v4, if nafiri tps or walks to drake while jax is defing tier 2, he just tps to the drake fight aswell. The drake is secured, you lost one Top tower for it and everyone is happy.
A couple takes. WTF is Tarzanned saying about being Persian and being a perfectionist. The dude is just toxic and egotistical that simple hes frustrated and thinks hes right and doesnt like LS so he took his frustration out on him. Gameplay wise TF is in the wrong completely and is too lost in the league sauce to see he made a bad call. HIm making it personal against LS is just jealously or sout of spite of LS.
Tarzaned and LS have a mutual relationship. When "Tarzaned" flames it isn't a genuine hatred towards someone at times. You can see him flame the hell out of Dantes but they have the best friendship. Also Asians tend to be perfectionists in general. Persians are considered asians so it aligns together.
@@itsed5164 I’ve watched tarzaned for years same with LS. It’s not about someone’s race making them a perfectionist. That’s stereotypical and can be taken as racism by some. What you said as well can be taken as racism and stereotypical. There are millions of people from Asian descent who 100% are not perfectionist. What I’m saying is Tarzanned made a dumb ass take. Doesn’t matter who he is friends with
@@starteck11 As a Korean I have every right to say that Asians are perfectionists. Even if it is racist to a degree, stereotypes are true to an extent. A good portion of Asians are perfectionists.
@@itsed5164 okay so do you think a perfectionist would just keep running it down in solo q then? Like wtf is your reply? Idc what race you are and you’re right some stereotypes are racist because, they are “racist stereotypes “ you dumbass. Also I never said shit on if you have individual rights or not. Making racist remarks and statements is just ignorant and stupid.
@@starteck11 There is levels to racism, this statement from Tarzaned is a very low level that was intended mostly as a joke as he was high as he stated prior. Go to a comedy club and you'll see higher levels of comedic racism than that every night. Grow a pair.
Why the hell do I have the feeling that mostly this is also a difference in position like Nemesis Midlaner Agurin jgl and the having different opinions and preferences agurin with herald nemesis with calling back. Also the first clip with the tower I get agurin if Nafirir has the msg and nobody answers top you lose two turrets plus your jgl for a drake and if they don’t contes the drake Koa as can take mid t1 as well I think guthast his opinions that is why he say max tp is the right move to stop this from happening and giving up the second dragon to enemy is not that bad if you are ahead
if tf blade is already bot you have to tp top and give drake. if he stays bot then naafiri gets a free turret, can back and tp down with 500+ more g and it's a 5v5 that's probably lost, and a wave slow pushing into your top turret. if he chooses not to do that naafiri can just keep pushing and right side team comp can stall drake until blue side has to respond, then naafiri can tp and the drake is lost. its a fucked scenario either way because tf blade isn't top to begin with. jayce can't be top as he's 90% of their power rn.
tbf he calls everybody autistic when they do dumb shit (not only him, i think dante calls zeus autistic recently, as an example), ls takes too personally things that arent, just mute tfblade and play your game
and im indifferent to tfb btw, bust its just the nature of tilted players that are addicted to the game. (and blade was wrong in regards to the tp and mid plays)
I find all this this cpt. hindsight analysis super cringe. They are allready pro players/challenger/rank 1 players cloven about this play and that after minute long analysis. In the game you have legit 2 seconds to think about this stuff. Nobody intentionally feeded there, it was a solo que mistake at best. 99% of the commenters here are euw/na diamond or below. What the hell do you all know? You are legit copying oppinions of your favourite guy and thats it, you would never even see thats as an inting play by yourself in your games.
??? The only time hindsight analysis is super cringe is when people are trying to prove that they are better than the players in question. The majority of chat is not trying to say that. We understand that these players are better, and the upper hand of hindsight analysis IS the reason we’re able to have a say at all. We are simply trying to decide who was right or wrong in the scenario. And this is similar to mathematics where there is a definitive answer and is testable. Anyone could set up the scenario in a test league game and see how long it would take nafiiri to take the T2 for example. You have this idea that unless someone is the best player they aren’t allowed an opinion even if it logically makes full sense. Please face reality.
EVEN IF nafiiri was something like a triforce trundle and could take T2 fast. You still could always just have jax back with 30s til drag and catch wave in front of t2, and still have the ability to match enemy top TP to drag contest IF they do so.
@@damiana3018 drake stacking being overrated is just wrong. And also the result of this game is mainly due to infighting and constant typing. There was also a large adc diff. Not to mention towers, especially T1 towers are considered standing gold, which is econ that will eventually go to the enemy team anyway. Giving drag for a tower that will eventually be destroyed anyway makes no sense.
Bro, everyone in korea hates tfblade, thats why he just got banned because he is just perm toxic. No one in korea even knows who tfblade is, they just know he is a toxic streamer
unfortunate that because you aren't good enough to judge yourself who is in the wrong in any of these clips, you just resort to looking at both party's peak rank in korea and decide off that who's the better player. Epitome of shallow thinking
@@daworstaran260 i have my opinion but im Gold 2 so i assume he knows better(witch is fine since i play every once in a while)im not a stupid moron like everyone today who think they know better then Doctors ,Scientists and that includes League.I am aware that i don't understand everything unlike you dumb Mfrs who think they get it all but in reallity are ignorrant af
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Im not the LS fan, Agurin fan, Nemesis fan, im just league enjoyer.... but holy fk TF should just stfu righ there since hes literally inting the whole game blaming jung....
well they did lose the game because of LS, so...
@@steauafan4ever .....? Did we watch the same video??
@@steauafan4ever Gameplay-wise sure, LS can be at fault for getting caught out in that last teamfight. But mental or emotion-wise, any person that have a decent or average mental state would already be tilted out of their minds with those chat messages so you can't really put all the blame to LS. Props to that Kai'sa that's actually trying to fix the mood of the team, but surely the other players were tilted or somewhat annoyed that they were on a winning game state but a few blunders here and there caused the game to be lost out of their control.
@Psyannn Gameplay-wise TFBlade was still in the wrong. He was dunning the game down for almost the entirety of the game. LS making 1 gameplay mistake doesn't put the result of the game on him just because it resulted in the immediate loss (plus the fact that that "mistake" shouldn't have even cost them the game at all, as the fight was winning anyways)
@@SweatIRL ye I do agree with that. TF Blade did certainty contributed to a lot of factors that led to that game to be lost in an instant and I'm not really defending the man (or manchild as I would better describe it). It's just weird that a lot of people still discredit LS despite that 'one' mistake and keeps forgetting that there are also 3 other players in that (blue) team made blunders and mistakes (probably because of tilt) that led the last teamfight unfavorable for them. Would have been fine indeed if TF didn't commit into fighting Ashe and Kai'sa not ulting in between 3 people.
ty for the nemesis clips! I like LS and Nemesis both this is good!
I tested it in practise tool. A naafiri of that level at minute 18 with those items needs around 1 minute to take that tower and the t2 tower.
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well the drag spawns in 30s lets say they need 8s to take the drag and with recall and walking there it would still be gone. Meaning they would have to tp to save it. So Agurins argumetn is still valid that red side can engage while jax tps top and naafiri can tp making it a 4v5 around drag pit.
@@ulup212 but he's saying tp is correct when naafiri can tp to drag and its 5v4 but if u dont tp til drag is taken she either gets 1 tower and lil bit of dmg on 2nd or just take 1 and tp bot for 5v5. tping top doesn't do anything but delay 2hit tower from dying and giving drag cus naafiri has tp adv to make it 5v4
@@ulup212 after drake or even at start of drake, if it is secured, he can tp, which means in 26 seconds he would have been top with tp
nah bro you know you could work at a donut shop and actually be paid a wage to do that amount of glazing
Nemesis the great proactive midlaner
Nemesis the most emotional human being
How is infernal a "random" dragon, especially when you're potentially going to be STACKING up to 3 infernal drakes
Sure, bro. You're better than Agurin 💯
For sure it is better than a 1st tower top. But it is still one single infernal, only 2nd drake for both teams, no win con or anything else. In Agurin mind they would have took 2 towers, if they were actually able to take 2 towers (which they are def not able to), then he would have been right to def top.
That drake value is low, but that tower value is even lower. Not only because of its actual gold value, but becasue of how low hp it is.
Still, both obj are def low value in this given moment.
@@midnightbelle4037 Homie really hit the "ok but I can say a name" and won the argument that's crazy
@@ariex0a I think it's pointing out the fact that some random youtube comment thinking they know better than a rank 1 jungler on EUW and Korea lol
@@midnightbelle4037If Bwipo said those exact same words all of a sudden now it’s correct?
Yeah the problem was that jax tp'd top to tower... but.. naafiri had tp to get to the dragon fight putting LS team at a 4v5 for drag.
How is Agurin defending that tp, i dont understand...
think it's just mainly his overestimation of naafiri's tower dmg
is everyone deaf, he multiple times said that he needed to be top in the first place and then tp to dragon
@@jojobetzler6308 no one is in disagreements with that fact. Him tping top to try and salvage his shitty macro decision is still unbelievably int
@@qiluah this. @jojobetzler6308
@@jojobetzler6308 Jayce should've been top in the first place which is exactly what LS and Tenacity were saying in the vod too. Agurin just missed this. He would agree with what LS and Tenacity said most likely in full.
Its actually so funny that everyones at each others throats because Deft pulled a 1v9 with ashe like a boss
More like 7v3 with how tfblade and thresh baited their team to be cc locked in front of ashe auto range
No way anyone above silver agrees and defends tfblade
jayce actually just giga inted by picking a thresh lantern against zac, jesus how bad was that team in the last fight, it is anyone's fault but ls lol.
whole thing has showcased just because your a high rank in solo queue doesn't mean you understand the game very well
This is why only rare Challenger players succeed in pro play. Most of them spam a few champions to get to Challenger.
Are you talking about agurin or tfblade here?
@@0O7 TF probably.
@@0O7 obviously tf blade cause hes baby raging but agurins explanation of why he thought jax should tp made zero sense
@@melvinthetoad4109 yeah ok i agree with you. I also didnt quite understand what agurin was saying about the tp top. Usually he is really smart macro wise
19:26 rare nemesis smile lmao
Yeah i disagree with Agurin, i was shocked to. Like tp there bad considering Nafiri could tp back to drake win 5v4. Should been top earlier. Also when checked infernal drake give 340 gold for each champ which is like 1700 gold which is alot, defintely more worth than the turet. Also yeah its no way Nafiri get 2 turet. Also loosing potential camps is fine. Like getting 1700 gold split aswell dragon stacking is nice. TP could be used more effective in future aswell.
your calculations are off
Ivern and thresh dont care about infernal
meaning its 1000 gold value for the drake.
Naafiri gets the turret + another wave + 2nd turret + 2 camps (300 + 200+ 550 + 100 = 1150)
and yes, 2nd turret would fall, the drake would be up only after 20 seconds, and it would only be finished earliest like 10-15 seconds, could be longer if the team intercepts (and tp from team would be delayed as well to defend tier 2)
for an ad champ its easy to take a tier 2 after 35 seconds
or
naafiri gets the 1st turret + a teamfight 4vs5 because jax/jayce have to tp to top to defend the 2nd turret
if Jayce tp's the fight is lost probably 1-3 deaths
there is a slight chance for it to end even if jax tp's (which is/isnt a loss depending on who gets drake)
also it seems you dont listen very well
Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5
@@animevolution880 TF blade can recall if Naafiri pass 2 wave which make him have time to cover if Naafiri want 2 turet. People do that all the time. No way Naafiri get that 2 turet with 1-2 wave, need 3 wave which then spawn 30 sec. Ivern and thresh both does dmg, stop with excuse.
"also it seems you dont listen very well
Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5" ?
What? You dont read well, where did i mention regarding that. Agurin have to give up drake becuase Naafiri would tp, them having 1 man advantage for red team 5v4, Blue side would loose teamfight so they forfeit drake. Drake is more valuable then first turet. No one tps there. I think he tpd there because tilted. No pro will tp there to, you only tp there if drake is not up, and want to catch big wave aswell pressure 2 turet for then like baron/herald, vision top side. Thats a bad TP, could risk loosing drake aswell future baron cause no tp when side laning.
@@animevolution880Naafiri can't get 2nd tower by that timing and even if she attempts to then it's possible for a tp by that time as Naafiri can't effect drake by that time, not to mention if Naafiri tp's drake it can lead to 4 deaths + drake which is a far worse trade
your calculations are off
Ivern and thresh dont care about infernal
meaning its 1000 gold value for the drake.
Naafiri gets the turret + another wave + 2nd turret + 2 camps (300 + 200+ 550 + 100 = 1150)
and yes, 2nd turret would fall, the drake would be up only after 20 seconds, and it would only be finished earliest like 10-15 seconds, could be longer if the team intercepts (and tp from team would be delayed as well to defend tier 2)
for an ad champ its easy to take a tier 2 after 35 seconds
or
naafiri gets the 1st turret + a teamfight 4vs5 because jax/jayce have to tp to top to defend the 2nd turret
if Jayce tp's the fight is lost probably 1-3 deaths
there is a slight chance for it to end even if jax tp's (which is/isnt a loss depending on who gets drake)
also it seems you dont listen very well
Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5
@@not4254 Dude just copy pasted, on alt ac or something cringe xD
Agurin was either smoked, too much on TFblade's side or just putting coal on fire here, there is no way you defend a 0/3 jax who tp's away from drake to a lost turret and then facecheck die and say that's the correct play 😂
It's so funny. TFBlade literally loses two fights by himself in a winning position. By jumping onto Ashe and baiting his entire team instead of playing the fight slowly. He also inted multiple times on side waves and by poor decisions. Meanwhile LS is carrying the game alongside Jayce. TFBlade should just shut the fuck up and stick to clicking real fast and precise. There is a reason he never managed to get even close to pro even tho he is a very good soloQ player.
he is pure ego dog, nothing new
When it comes to soloq why the fuck would I ever listen to Ls? he is hardstuck master with afk champs while tfblade got rank3 korea? How can you be so dogshit biased and think that ls knows better than tfblade
He just abuses broken champs like Jax since he mechanically plays really well and then stomp lane
Ls is worse
@@billybob4159probably a worse soloQ player, but in terms of game knowledge he's pretty good; I guess helping with Korean scrims helps with that.
I find it really strange that Agurin's analysis is really this flawed. Idk if it's because he doesn't play lane (don't think that should be a problem), but even to a dia laner it's clear that tp is int. Tower's gone, tp or not, no vision of enemy team, jax should stay to secure drake, someone tps top to catch wave at T2. If enemy team is top and dive T2, unlucky (unlikely but possible). Agurin's initial suggestion which is tp top early and then walk down from top is also flawed because they have 0 vision on the way there so you're facechecking literally everything until you're at drake into Zac Alistar.
And he says "you don't lose anything", but you lose drake, you lose tp, you lose top tower anyways, it's just super strange that this analysis comes from him who is a super objective based player.
And that annie top insta hover "i roam" is hilarious.
want flawed if blade done it earlier like wht he said , but at that point its already too late.
@@pelitasenja7478 as I said, if tfblade tps top early and walks to drake he's facechecking blind.
If he walks top and tps bot it's the same scenario, top tower's gone anyways at that hp.
Naafiri can also just answer the tp top with her own tp to drake and its a guaranteed loss
@@danielliang9266 why would he need to tp , he can jst walk to top frm base early. but this only 'if' he do this early .
@@danielliang9266 at that stage he can facecheck and be completely fine unless theres 4 people?
he could've just walked top, gave up tower, still caught the wave, and then tp to drag if needed.
The curious thing about discussions in League for me is that it is rarely "I disagree with this because..", its it always "This is so fucking stupid.." and they become emotional like they just insulted their mother. The same with so many League creators. Impossible to have an objective discussion, emotional level of little kids.
I mean it's not an objective discussion at all when there is a clear answer that one decision is the right one or at least better. And for the best players it's very obvious too
I don’t know wich situation is the worse Tfblade inting or Agurin trying to defend this play. I mean even a guy that do not play league would understand that TfBlade inted that game
This is such backwards and wrong thinking and I know Agurin knows that too saying that top tier 1 isn't the only thing they get insinuating that they could get top tier 2 and mid tier 1 when Jax could be mid for those 30 seconds before dragon and if they do nnot contest and push top he obv TP to the tier 2 protects it. Him TPing before enemy team commits to top split is the entire problem that is borderline inting because you are now allowing enemy team agency to choose if they want to continue top (which is the wrong choice and what they do) or if they want to 5 run through mid and go dragon at which point they get free drag and Jax MAYBE hits the tower top 3 times
27:45 watch out rengar gank
Infinite content glitch
40 sec for drake + around 10 sec to do drake + 7 sec base + time to move out of base. Yeah for sure not enough time to take T1 mid T1 top or T1 Top T2 Top + camps while having 2 waves that push with you. Kappa
50 sec you dont need to stay the full duration for drake and then you tp, which is not enough time for a nafirri to do more than one tower and she will just push in the other wave into tier 2 and reset cause she will max half of the tier 2s hp which is a waste of time, she never gets that tier 2 you can go test it out in practice tool, and they dont get mid tier 1 cause they can actually protect it depending on what the enemy team is doing, if the enemy team completely gives up on drake then you dont need 5 people on drake and can leave it early, if they dont well then they wont be hitting tier 1, its not like the enemy team is playing some kind of poke comp that makes it so ashe can hit tower while others zone.
@@julose2678 it also doesn't take anywhere close to 40 sec to do drake with the whole team lol wtf. more like 10-15 sec
@@2FadeMusic drake spawns in 40 thats why i wrote 50 sec, and when i mean 50 sec i mean thats how long it takes with recall added as well.
bro what is Agurin smoking..
The cat makes this so much better
I would stay for dragon, but i can understand agurins argument, if you lose a lot of your side of a map in terms of towers, which removes vision from the map, then its really bad.
Personally, I dont think it makes up for stacking sdragons
they would lose one tower max, jax can just recall and catch the top wave at t2.
I can barely understand either of these guys but damnit is this some saucey drama
people are so nuts they are looking from a whole game pov but in game the players are worried about them selfs slip ups happens everyone is wrong in this situation
playing for years, you should notice macro patterns that work and dont work
I just want neme to come be C9 mid Sadge
Completely agree with Nemesis here. I have no idea what Agurin smoked before this review but it shows his lack in competitive pro play experience and enhance his soloq understanding.
That tower tp did nothing and its classic scenario when u sacrifice one side for another. Soloq players dont value things differently and have no will to sacrifice anything then lose game.
Its just different priorities. Agurin prefers to make sure that they dont lose total control over the top lane while nemesis prefers to play for the scaling drake.
And right now, agurin is the better player and he still is just showing what he thinks about the situation (not saying someone's idea is stupid).
@@Euu_-tc6hz yea but its so dumb to think that nafiri taking that t1 turrents snowballs into losing 3 tower and map control when the infernal was uncontested and jayce and jax can defend t2 if needed
@@AndBlood12 but if their team gives up drake they can force the push with all team
@@Euu_-tc6hz not all team... zac and alistar would join nafiri, and zac and allistar DONT take towers... so it wouldnt really make any difference
Okay i dont think People understand this, Agurin does NOT deffend the TP, the TP is Bad Agurin is trying to say that TFBlade fucked up before and than did this TP to Fix it, i think Naafari DMG is a little overrated in his opinion so he thinks naafiri could get T1&T2 + Mid T1
like you said, he said the tp "fixes", but nemesis and LS says it makes it worse
@@biveofhalo well if u think about leadwise the tp is actually the correct play short term drake wise its not depends what u go for.
nah fire 🔥🔥
I think They are both wrong. As jax, just go back run top def tier 2 tower. Team starts drake 4v4, if nafiri tps or walks to drake while jax is defing tier 2, he just tps to the drake fight aswell. The drake is secured, you lost one Top tower for it and everyone is happy.
Nemesis is right..
A couple takes. WTF is Tarzanned saying about being Persian and being a perfectionist. The dude is just toxic and egotistical that simple hes frustrated and thinks hes right and doesnt like LS so he took his frustration out on him. Gameplay wise TF is in the wrong completely and is too lost in the league sauce to see he made a bad call. HIm making it personal against LS is just jealously or sout of spite of LS.
Tarzaned and LS have a mutual relationship. When "Tarzaned" flames it isn't a genuine hatred towards someone at times. You can see him flame the hell out of Dantes but they have the best friendship. Also Asians tend to be perfectionists in general. Persians are considered asians so it aligns together.
@@itsed5164 I’ve watched tarzaned for years same with LS. It’s not about someone’s race making them a perfectionist. That’s stereotypical and can be taken as racism by some. What you said as well can be taken as racism and stereotypical. There are millions of people from Asian descent who 100% are not perfectionist. What I’m saying is Tarzanned made a dumb ass take. Doesn’t matter who he is friends with
@@starteck11 As a Korean I have every right to say that Asians are perfectionists. Even if it is racist to a degree, stereotypes are true to an extent. A good portion of Asians are perfectionists.
@@itsed5164 okay so do you think a perfectionist would just keep running it down in solo q then? Like wtf is your reply? Idc what race you are and you’re right some stereotypes are racist because, they are “racist stereotypes “ you dumbass. Also I never said shit on if you have individual rights or not. Making racist remarks and statements is just ignorant and stupid.
@@starteck11 There is levels to racism, this statement from Tarzaned is a very low level that was intended mostly as a joke as he was high as he stated prior. Go to a comedy club and you'll see higher levels of comedic racism than that every night. Grow a pair.
What kind of monster doesn't let their cat get comfy on the bed
Why the hell do I have the feeling that mostly this is also a difference in position like Nemesis Midlaner Agurin jgl and the having different opinions and preferences agurin with herald nemesis with calling back. Also the first clip with the tower I get agurin if Nafirir has the msg and nobody answers top you lose two turrets plus your jgl for a drake and if they don’t contes the drake Koa as can take mid t1 as well I think guthast his opinions that is why he say max tp is the right move to stop this from happening and giving up the second dragon to enemy is not that bad if you are ahead
Bo was right.
if tf blade is already bot you have to tp top and give drake. if he stays bot then naafiri gets a free turret, can back and tp down with 500+ more g and it's a 5v5 that's probably lost, and a wave slow pushing into your top turret. if he chooses not to do that naafiri can just keep pushing and right side team comp can stall drake until blue side has to respond, then naafiri can tp and the drake is lost. its a fucked scenario either way because tf blade isn't top to begin with. jayce can't be top as he's 90% of their power rn.
tbf he calls everybody autistic when they do dumb shit (not only him, i think dante calls zeus autistic recently, as an example), ls takes too personally things that arent, just mute tfblade and play your game
and im indifferent to tfb btw, bust its just the nature of tilted players that are addicted to the game. (and blade was wrong in regards to the tp and mid plays)
I find all this this cpt. hindsight analysis super cringe. They are allready pro players/challenger/rank 1 players cloven about this play and that after minute long analysis. In the game you have legit 2 seconds to think about this stuff. Nobody intentionally feeded there, it was a solo que mistake at best. 99% of the commenters here are euw/na diamond or below. What the hell do you all know? You are legit copying oppinions of your favourite guy and thats it, you would never even see thats as an inting play by yourself in your games.
??? The only time hindsight analysis is super cringe is when people are trying to prove that they are better than the players in question. The majority of chat is not trying to say that. We understand that these players are better, and the upper hand of hindsight analysis IS the reason we’re able to have a say at all. We are simply trying to decide who was right or wrong in the scenario. And this is similar to mathematics where there is a definitive answer and is testable. Anyone could set up the scenario in a test league game and see how long it would take nafiiri to take the T2 for example. You have this idea that unless someone is the best player they aren’t allowed an opinion even if it logically makes full sense. Please face reality.
@@Laine_SH rly cringe comment. try to stop being a pseud and face reality
But You never win with ivern in solo queue. 😂
LS fans dont understand macro
ofc nemesis and ls have the same game view
It's pretty basic macro though, the correct answer was obvious in all the scenarios.
EVEN IF nafiiri was something like a triforce trundle and could take T2 fast. You still could always just have jax back with 30s til drag and catch wave in front of t2, and still have the ability to match enemy top TP to drag contest IF they do so.
@@Laine_SH that seams like the best option but drake is overrated in solo que 100% its more of a diff in pro games as we saw at the end of this game
@@damiana3018 drake stacking being overrated is just wrong. And also the result of this game is mainly due to infighting and constant typing. There was also a large adc diff. Not to mention towers, especially T1 towers are considered standing gold, which is econ that will eventually go to the enemy team anyway. Giving drag for a tower that will eventually be destroyed anyway makes no sense.
@@damiana3018 drake is underrated, there have been a shit ton of games that have be thrown from greeding for kills and towers over getting drakes
ANyting nemesis says about ther strateg, balance etc is trash
Ls professional victim player, weird
Low elo nemesis gets mad someone else explains something he doesn't understand so he goes full defensive mode : the clip
nemesis mad cuz korea respects tf skill in league more then his and tf got higher rank then neme ever could last time he went to korea
I hope he sees this bro
Bro, everyone in korea hates tfblade, thats why he just got banned because he is just perm toxic. No one in korea even knows who tfblade is, they just know he is a toxic streamer
unfortunate that because you aren't good enough to judge yourself who is in the wrong in any of these clips, you just resort to looking at both party's peak rank in korea and decide off that who's the better player. Epitome of shallow thinking
@@daworstaran260 i have my opinion but im Gold 2 so i assume he knows better(witch is fine since i play every once in a while)im not a stupid moron like everyone today who think they know better then Doctors ,Scientists and that includes League.I am aware that i don't understand everything unlike you dumb Mfrs who think they get it all but in reallity are ignorrant af
Korea has never hated any personality more than TFBlade.
washed up europe midlaner commenting the best player of all time. Funny
I do not like TFBlade at all but the whining about "he said mean thing to me" and everyone being super fuckin upset over it is cringe inducing
70 years ago men of the world were fighting for the soul of the human race. Now they cry over a childs game. pfff.
70 years ago men of the world were fighting for the soul of the human race. Now they cry over other people's opinion. Pffft.
if only you had a point. pfff.@@midnightbelle4037